Champion Stadium

[swift swan]

Any reason you picked ss brock in particular?

[dusty path]

You also wouldn't need Skyla's Def buffing if you have SSDiantha... Is there another speed/potion user?

[swift swan]

Sonia

who also buffs defense, ha

[dusty path]

And technically MGA not speed buff XD

[swift swan]

Team swift reaction

[dusty path]

Ah, nvm 😅 Thanks

[spring fable]

Any reason not to play mm over and over?

It’ll add towards the total runs done for the particular cs

[dusty path]

I mean you can if you want?

Or if you don't want it saved in total runs completed, you can just quit the battle when the champion faints

Would recommend Olivia instead of SSBrock if you haven't done it already (and if you have her), or if you happen to have 3/5 Gordie with Inertia and Cakewalk from sync, and with a max move

[marsh crater]

Dont have olivia

Or should i skyla, ss blue, ss diantha?

Honchcrow immediately use twister and wipe my team after it use sync

Need something to flinch it

20% stagger from skyla not enough

Or should i play grant

[keen jasper]

Doesn't Skyla has double Staggering?

[marsh crater]

Only one i think

[onyx ice]

Ss Brock can only get +1 crit and skyla gives no crit at all

Unless the plan is just to sync with SS Brock (then his TM is more than enough if you don't plan to rock slide)

At this point i would try something like Hop instead of skyla

[marsh crater]

Thinking of hop too. But one use him for lance. Oh wait. I dunno who gonna be my lance team

Only thought of Shiny rayquaza draco meteor

Dont have any other dragon dps

[onyx ice]

I guess any support with +2 crit and +3 attack should be enough to max SS Brock stats early on

[marsh crater]

Oh i got cyrus maybe can do double striker

Well ss brock is not gridded

So gonna find how diance can work

Ss diantha

[onyx ice]

SS Brock isn't the bestest, if you don't grid him it's just useless

[marsh crater]

Only at 1/5. Trying. To make her work

[manic kiln]

i just did a budget clear with ss brock and no gacha 5* this week. you have ss diantha she'll carry any rock pair

[onyx ice]

1/5 SS diantha is enough

[marsh crater]

Any team suggestion? I try to do 1.5 k karen

Ss diantha 1/5

[onyx ice]

Used her with SS Brock, but he was gridded and i used 6ex Sonia too

[marsh crater]

Dont have sonia

My support available now is skyla and hop

Thats the support thats fully grid

Other like ss blue and sabrina not fully grid

I use sycamore for bruno with silver and ss erika

Had to ex calem to beat off type koga

[onyx ice]

With calem, you meant Greninja?

[marsh crater]

C.Calem yeah

[manic kiln]

some supports still work without grid

[onyx ice]

That's worth exing regardless

[marsh crater]

Want to ex ss blue but he at 1/5 i need his healing factor

[fresh creek]

Who of them can help me to do this battle with 100 lvl

[dusty path]

Roxie with grid would be best, but if you don't have sync orbs maybe Lucy... Or you could do a team with both and a support?

[fresh creek]

I have sycamore,c.calem,skyla supports

[dusty path]

Try plan some units ahead of time as well

Like you're going to want to use Cyrus against Lance

[fresh creek]

I just upgraded bald guy to 100 lvl only for sunny weather and complated round 3

[dusty path]

Ah so Will round 4?

[fresh creek]

Yes

I saved 2 greninja for last battle

[dusty path]

Do you want to make the most progress on the type medal that you can, or are you not fussed for now?

[fresh creek]

No im beginner

[dusty path]

Okay

Well as I said, Cyrus against Lance

[fresh creek]

I dont have buff to upgrade sync pairs to 125

[dusty path]

Probably Sycamore so you don't have to remove half of Cyrus' HP at the start

[fresh creek]

I used cyrus

[dusty path]

Oh

[fresh creek]

Wait i will send my sync pairs

[dusty path]

XD alrighty then

[fresh creek]

685 sync orbs have

[dusty path]

Okay...

I'd say... For round 4: Sycamore, maybe Ghetsis and Sabrina?

[fresh creek]

Maybe some of them can help

I want to do last round guaranteed

[dusty path]

With level 135 units like CSerena, it's pretty much guaranteed

So yeah, try Sycamore Sabrina Ghetsis against Will

Sabrina mainly there for crit buff for Ghetsis

[fresh creek]

Calem for round 5?

Lets try round 4 first 🙂

Sabrina 100 lvl can work?

[dusty path]

Yeah you can just keep her at 91 for now

She can crit buff and heal herself when necessary

[fresh creek]

Ok need to use sync orbs to ghestis

[dusty path]

Yes Ghetsis sync orbs would be nice 😅

[keen jasper]

Who needs her sync nuke when you got her B Move?

[dusty path]

Probably only need overpower/double drop/pecking order (you can try without pecking order first)

And yes. First sync Sycamore, second sync Ghetsis

If you keep going to more syncs, just Ghetsis

[fresh creek]

Thanks, round 4 was super easy

[drifting sleet]

Ugh that took so much EFFORT

[fresh creek]

Which one ?

I will use 2 ninja and skyla

[keen jasper]

That's sus, I found 2 teams that are F2P friendly

[fresh creek]

Anyone can answer?

[keen jasper]

Round 4 parameter

[dusty path]

4th one

[keen jasper]

Yeah, the 4th one

[fresh creek]

Ok

[dusty path]

And if somehow Skyla doesn't survive you can swap her for Sonia (or if you just have used a flying type already but not electric type, for the type medal)

[dusty path]

Congrats! How's round 3 looking?

[fresh creek]

I thought round 5 will be so hard, everyone was full hp

[dusty path]

Yeah the champion is often the easiest 😅

[sand karma]

I thought of doing R1 will with kogas nuke and roxie dps
There's nobody to support both tho🫠
BP Janine is dying too fast

[fresh creek]

Champion serenas sync move one shots

[dusty path]

You don't need to do a mono-type team, that's a challenge some people place upon themselves later. What SpDef buffers do you have?

[sand karma]

I want to do the damage on type of course

It's Johto and offtyping isn't fun

[dusty path]

Yes damage ontype is best, but things like supports don't need to be

[sand karma]

I know

But there's nobody else that buffs both spatk and atk and evasiveness

And she doesn't buff spatk fully for Koga either
Don't have candies to get her grid

[swift swan]

Lacking 4* support candies... Can relate

[fresh creek]

C.calem

[sand karma]

I had just reached 3 and i spent 2 on bp surge

[swift swan]

I had to use BP janine at 1/5 when I first got her because I literally didn't have a candy (I learned to hoard my BP tickets for emergency since then)

[sand karma]

CCalem has only 2 spatk

[dusty path]

Elio?

[sand karma]

Yeah praying for that 20% tm mpr

[drifting sleet]

Already beat will with uh

Looker/ccalem/skyla

[dusty path]

You don't need evasiveness, that makes it a run based on luck that you will have to reset for

[drifting sleet]

...however now I have to fight koga w/ phys damage reduction

How is this looking?

[dusty path]

Ah alright!

[fresh creek]

You dont have bertha hippo

[sand karma]

Koga has a sync multiplier for evasion so i thought it was good to have

[dusty path]

Ah, in that case...

[drifting sleet]

I do but

[swift swan]

Looks good, make sure May gets max crit

And level her up lol

[fresh creek]

I did with 100 level bertha

[drifting sleet]

You think I can brute force through the -phys atk

[swift swan]

Crits bypass that

[sand karma]

Elio also dies too fast : (

[swift swan]

I notice that's master mode?

[drifting sleet]

OH.

[swift swan]

Also... I'd spend that stamina if I were you

[drifting sleet]

Was not aware that crits bypassed that too

[swift swan]

Leon taught you that in Victory Road

[dusty path]

Crit bypasses the same field effects that also come from reflect and light screen

[meager agate]

in my entire time playing CS i have never seen Koga's right-side Electrode use Eerie Impulse on me, ever

[drifting sleet]

Ye but I thought it was separate from the stage modifiers

[meager agate]

this week was a first

[drifting sleet]

In that case this team is probably better lmao

[swift swan]

Crits bypass damage reduction shields and positive def/sp def buffs

[sand karma]

Finally get a tm mpr and will leads with sludge bomb taking 90% elios health

[dusty path]

Why is there -Phys?

[drifting sleet]

Oh wait hold on

That's the champ stage

Gawd I'm a moron

[swift swan]

It only discharged me, what the heck

[drifting sleet]

Ok brb

[dusty path]

XD that's better

[meager agate]

yeah no literally never seen that before

not that it really mattered

if this battle had been created by modern CS standards, ripple effect woulda totally been a thing

[swift swan]

Hard level 2 when

[keen jasper]

Ultra Hard when

[dusty path]

But no, the stage modifier is 'start with Physical damage reduction', which is just the field effect and it only lasts ~12 moves total

[swift swan]

Kalos CS when

If we don't get Kalos CS in february I'm gonna lose it

[sand karma]

Bruh nobody survives even on post sync

[dusty path]

Do you see which of Will's passives happen on his sync? Any?

[dusty path]

Yep that team will work just fine 👍

[sand karma]

This game is severely lacking in free special buffers

[dusty path]

Probably BPMorty for survival

[sand karma]

How is he wiping the team even after being posioned and max sp def?

And elios sing fails everytime for some reason

[meager agate]

ok i can elaborate now:
screw gradual healing for this battle specifically

[dusty path]

What about Lodge Dawn? SpDef buff, SPAtk buff, SpAtk debuff

[sand karma]

Can someone explain why elios sing is failing everytime?

[dusty path]

Do you have no status conditions parameter active?

[sand karma]

No

It's a poison stage i need it for kogas multipliers

[dusty path]

Can't poison AND sleep. Only 1 status condition at a time

[sand karma]

Oh no

I feel dumb now

Thanks

[dusty path]

No problem

Do you have any other special poison damage dealers?

[meager agate]

yeah I’d suggest instead an aggravation flincher if you’re looking to poison and turn cancel at the same time

or you could be a fuckin idiot like me https://youtu.be/hRjFZBy0SQU

[mellow linden]

If you have Roxie/Lucy/a 3/5 Hilbert or Sonia you could do an offense clear

[solemn pine]

Found this sycamore team as a f2p option in the replay

[meager agate]

also one big piece of advice if it hasn’t already been said: neither koga nor bruno have any special attacks, and karen’s only special attack is twister. will round 1 is the only sensible option unless the sides are somehow managing to screw your team up

[toxic cobalt]

Finally a good replay

[toxic cobalt]

Damage reductions are completely irrelevant to choosing types of damage.

[sand karma]

Okay kogas sync is not good

[dusty path]

Completely relevant to choosing which stage to go against, that's what they were saying?

[toxic cobalt]

No, it's not relevant

[meager agate]

my own personal experiences say otherwise, if i’m getting a temporary special DR i’m gonna use it against the person who has the most special moves

[toxic cobalt]

Damage reductions expire before the first sync

Before your first sync

[dusty path]

Ah right, sorry. Fair point

[meager agate]

ESPECIALLY if i’m using evade supports without any defense buffs

[sand karma]

Who syncs?
I have 1/5 ex Sonia

[meager agate]

bp janine without the offensive defense tile, for example

[mellow linden]

Sonia would also need to be 3/5. Sorry, should've used less ambiguous placement.

If the Support you use is EX then they do 1st Sync, otherwise Lucy would do 1st Sync. Lucy is always 2nd Sync onwards in a Roxie/Lucy comp

Technically Hop or 2/5 Aaron could work as well, it just means Roxie ramps up slower

[sand karma]

Oh i was saving Hilbert for the rock stage

[mellow linden]

Ah, fair enough

Truth be told there's nothing wrong with Poison stall, though I'd recommend putting Janine as one of the team members for Venom Drench

[toxic cobalt]

Koga can strike on that team easy if he has mpr

[dusty path]

You don't need Hilbert's Atk buffs for Olivia and SSDiantha, you could swap him out for another speed buffer if that's why you have him there

[sand karma]

He didn't ko the center even after 2 syncs so I'm disappointed

[zealous karma]

That’s a first

[toxic cobalt]

You're syncing with sycamore first i assume?

[zealous karma]

Koga slander continues ever rampantly

[sand karma]

No he isn't ex yet

[drifting sleet]

...I accidentally removed my modifiers and didnt notice

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

now I need to do it again

[toxic cobalt]

??????????????????????????????

Why is Sycamore in the team at all then?

[dusty path]

Half Sycamore's entire thing is he syncs first

[toxic cobalt]

I mean not if he's not EX, that's pretty irrelevant, I mean if he's not syncing

[sand karma]

Tank

[meager agate]

hi i’m that guy who will defend sycamore without ex, he’s good either way

[toxic cobalt]

Sycamore isn't tanking without syncing, and Koga isn't getting any attack buffs without Sycamore syncing

[dusty path]

Like yeah he can do MGA once, 30% debuff SpAtk, heal... But he syncs.

[sand karma]

Elio was giving the buffs

[onyx ice]

For today standards non ex sycamore is pretty poor outside gauntlet

[toxic cobalt]

He can literally solo CS stages what on earth is this take

[toxic cobalt]

Geez. Sync with Sycamore, use Elio for the early sleep buffs .

[meager agate]

today’s standards don’t apply to johto cs, also sycamore is still immensely self-sustainable

[dusty path]

Non ex Sycamore fully buffs SpAtk, SpDef and Spd. How is that low in any standards?

[onyx ice]

Normally if your support isn't EX you don't want to sync with that

[toxic cobalt]

Doesn't apply to Sycamore at all

[dusty path]

Normally the support's sync isn't their entire buffing kit

[onyx ice]

1.5x damage vs 2x damage is a big hinderance

At least for presync master mode

[toxic cobalt]

Not everyone tries to clear with -3 sync params

[solemn pine]

[zealous karma]

For sycamore and leaf it’s an unfortunate situation

[meager agate]

1. speed buffer alone means he’s already valuable to a lot of teams
2. nobody’s support syncing for damage unless they designated the support as the dps beforehand
3. i’m fucking pissed at the people who think that a support without ex is worthless so :)

[onyx ice]

Since they have both EX isn't an unfortunate situation

The unfortunate situation was sycamore before EX

[zealous karma]

I’m never EX’ing leaf and if sycamore didn’t have a free one I prolly wouldn’t either lel

[toxic cobalt]

You don't need to rely on Support EX as a crutch, and peope aren't going to have them for their first few months of playing

[onyx ice]

I exed all the supports i have except Cheren

[meager agate]

it’s almost like he’s immensely self-sustainable and also can grid into adrenaline if you feel you need that

[dusty path]

And yet 2x dmg vs 2.7 dmg (1.5x from sync, 1.8x from SpAtk buffs)

[onyx ice]

I mean sycamore non ex is good enough if the standard is not having ex units to being with

[zealous karma]

My koga dealt 20K against Will with sycamore that should be about 15K without it unless you have a ton of hp params that should kill center mon

[meager agate]

keep in mind power creep has affected the strikes and techs too, modern units can do serious damage without support EX’s, which are honestly way more helpful to older, power crept damagers

[toxic cobalt]

If you have enough EX units to use one every stage you're usually not here

[meager agate]

i’m still here occasionally even with enough EXs

[dusty path]

I loiter here sometimes when I'm bored...

[toxic cobalt]

Tha'ts not usually!

[zealous karma]

I am in here mainly to help lel or post me suffering against 3K

[onyx ice]

Or at least in CS, i only use non 6ex support for nukers

[meager agate]

i value my sanity so i don’t go past 2k

[toxic cobalt]

Sanity is overrated

[zealous karma]

This past 3K was fairly easy

[meager agate]

i know, moltres taught me that

[zealous karma]

Roxanne and Lucy are really good units so they could do it

[onyx ice]

I don't go past 2k because it gives nothing

[toxic cobalt]

Gives you a 3K win!

[dusty path]

Gives you bragging rights XD

[zealous karma]

[zealous karma]

I do it for fun because CS is rarely difficult

[toxic cobalt]

With support EX you can definitely hit 3K

[toxic cobalt]

What is Lucy doing?

dual strike?

[meager agate]

and that concludes my ted talk on why i sometimes feel anger toward people who think a support without EX is worthless

[zealous karma]

Her sync nuke is better than koga

[mellow linden]

That's what a Lucy/Roxie comp is, yeah

[toxic cobalt]

These newfangled grids

[mellow linden]

Roxie does regular move damage, Lucy Sync nukes

[zealous karma]

She has 3 multipliers including innate

[dusty path]

Bad poison + Trap vs just Poison?

[toxic cobalt]

Roxie nuke isn't that great?

[zealous karma]

I might Ex her when that happens

It’s good

But she’s better focused on DPS

[mellow linden]

Roxie's nuke is solid, but she pretty much has to choose between Sync nuke or regular move damage

[toxic cobalt]

Ah, a Nessa MR situation

[mellow linden]

Essentially, yeah

[toxic cobalt]

Sorry I am literally months behind new grids

Maybe I'l ltry them this week

[mellow linden]

It happens

Definitely worth doing. You might have to quadqueue if you do it on a round other than 4 this week, but otherwise there's pretty much zero issue clearing

[zealous karma]

I feel like I did smth wrong for Lucy

[toxic cobalt]

I mean if it clears 3K!

[zealous karma]

Or flinch from staggering

30% chance feels like a 50% chance lel

I got super lucky with flinches this time around

The clears were fun

I accidentally used SSLyra with Victor so big woops

In practice tho Lucy sync feels a lot higher than koga’s

[mellow linden]

Ah, idk if they clear 3k, but 2k is super easy

[zealous karma]

They do

I have a video I’m posting later today

[mellow linden]

Cool

[zealous karma]

I was really impressed with them I expected it to be a lot harder but they’re very great

[toxic cobalt]

Well done!

[drifting sleet]

cleared but now I need to redo it because I accidentally reset koga's modifiers

so only 6k

😢

[toxic cobalt]

That's what the reset button is for!

[zealous karma]

I kept getting super unlucky with Sonia TM but I think I didn’t crit with Lucy’s sync like twice

In all my attempts

[drifting sleet]

at least now I can do the stages in the right order orz

[zealous karma]

Man

[dusty path]

Are you trying to oneshot everything with a move or something? 😂

[zealous karma]

No I’m just seeing damage

Setting up pepega walk is so annoying on this stage

[sand karma]

How did you manage to quad queue is adrenaline enough?

[dusty path]

kekwok?

[dusty path]

If you keep up with triple queueing, yes. It normally is enough

[zealous karma]

Yeah kekwalk

[dusty path]

Ah 😂 So many names

[marsh crater]

Finally beat karen 1.5k with skyla ss diantha ghetsis.

Now lance haih

[drifting sleet]

Woohoo that was much faster he second time round

[toxic cobalt]

You're learning

[drifting sleet]

Turns out will goes down a lot faster when not using Looker

[swift swan]

Looker slander

Is he that bad? I thought he's decent ontype

[drifting sleet]

i dont have good support for him

not invested anyw

[civic trellis]

He’s literally made for on type it’d suck if he’s bad at it

[swift swan]

Maybe someday he'll spook me from general pool and I can test hin

[trail smelt]

Reminds me that I never tested Mallow

[bleak vine]

I have Looker but I haven't tried him out yet

I've been leaning on Plumeria for the longest lol

[swift swan]

...i need to bring Mallow out for a test drive but I don't even remember if she's 3/5 or not

[drifting sleet]

is plumeria actually usable? I remember her being very bad

[swift swan]

Usable, sure...

But you're better off stalling poison stages imo

[drifting sleet]

oof

[marsh crater]

Supereffective and critical cannot occur at the same time?

[main crow]

It can but from what I have heard super effective typically has the priority, at least visually

[full mesa]

You can easily try for 10k too if you want.

[drifting sleet]

yeah no im lazyyyyy

[full mesa]

They can. Most common strategy for on-type.

[drifting sleet]

teams would need reworking

some of them barely scraped by on 7.5

[main crow]

Continuing, if you have +3 crit then it's always guaranteed on normal move, it's only sync that has an innate -1 on crit

[full mesa]

Meaning sync moves have an 80% chance to crit at +3 crit buffs.

[drifting sleet]

For reference, I used
Will: AnniN, Sycamore, Skyla
Bruno: SSErika, Silver, Lyra
Koga: Ingo, Cynthia, Bertha
Karen: SSDiantha, Xmas Jasmine, CCalem
Lance: CSerena, SSBrendan, Leaf

but a lot of them are uninvested

so going for 10k would require effort

[swift swan]

Looks good enough to me. The only one I'd tweak a bit is giving sun for anni N. But then again, Will is an easy 2k stall with Lucy + Janine + good tank combo, barely any investments needed

Maybe Ingo and Bertha are a bit redundant if Bertha is just there for more sand. Unless she's the one nuking?

[drifting sleet]

actually anniN was mainly noble roaring for the first half because the dumb exeggcutor kept oneshotting my tank with giga drain

[drifting sleet]

no both of them have no grid investment so I keep both in case I can't kill within 2 sandstorms

[swift swan]

Sycamore? Oneshotted by a special move? I know grassy terrain is active but damn he shouldn't go down that easily

[full mesa]

The Karen team should do 2k easily.
Lance team is a no brainer.
Koga team also can work (depending on your Cynthia move level)
For Will, just poison stall. It's easy and always free.
Bruno, I need to look at your roster.

[sand karma]

Yay did it
For some reason Koga kept doing 6k on sync the other times
This time he did 16k
Had no luck poisoning Tsareena

[full mesa]

No crits probably

[drifting sleet]

karen/lance not a problem for me at all - koga a bit tougher since my cynthia has no grid ;w;

bruno gave me the most trouble in hindsight

[full mesa]

Don't bother then, unless you really want that 10k.

[swift swan]

Welp, there's your issue. What move level is she?

[drifting sleet]

2/5

but have not gridded her; no orbs

[swift swan]

Not enough for good nuke then

[full mesa]

Next week.

[drifting sleet]

I mean I do have a strike candy sitting in inventory

[full mesa]

We can try it next week.

[full mesa]

No

Wait for datamine.

[swift swan]

No need to rush it, yeah. Stack up your orbs and go minimal grids. Should be doable with Johto at least

[drifting sleet]

I can just solve my problems with money

woohoo

jk i can't

[swift swan]

3/5 Cynthia is an absolute monster but just wait for datamine for now

[full mesa]

Can't comment on that.

[sand karma]

You can get some orbs by the end of the week enough to grid her

[drifting sleet]

i'm hoping to lucksack another copy off of daily pulls

basically

i mean discount pulls

but this is veering off topic

[dark osprey]

2/5 Cynthia is also kinda good now on type

[full mesa]

If you love her that much, then yes by all means use that candy. But I don't believe that she actually needs it. Her banner comes up at least 3 times per year and we might get an op striker (3rd Anniversary) who needs candies more.

[drifting sleet]

no actually idrc about her at this point i'm saving for my Team Star bosses

[swift swan]

Then keep her 2/5 for now

[rotund lagoon]

Hey @flint heart I’m moving ya over here. You checked the pins too, right?

[flint heart]

Hey

[rotund lagoon]

Who are you up against for R3?

[flint heart]

Either the Karen or Bruno

[rotund lagoon]

….can you tell me the exact one?

[flint heart]

No they are my last 2 options I can play r3 for

But I was just about to do a Karen run right before I came back here

[rotund lagoon]

I mean, who are you doing for R3?

You need to choose.

[mellow linden]

I'd recommend figuring out which one you're gonna face for round 3 so we can offer the best possible advice

If Karen, great

[flint heart]

In that case yea I’m planning on attempting Karen

[rotund lagoon]

So Karen is rock weak.

Who are your rock units?

[flint heart]

She seems to be lesser of the 2 evils

[mellow linden]

Do you have a 2/5+ Olivia?

[flint heart]

Olivia mine is 5/5

[mellow linden]

Perfect

[rotund lagoon]

Use her as the damage dealer.

[flint heart]

The colossal thing

[rotund lagoon]

You can send a screenshot of your rock roster, you know.

[flint heart]

Which I can use his continuous rock move but he’s pretty weak

[eternal mist]

Screenshot your rock and ground roster

[mellow linden]

Olivia + Hop + Acerola, if you have a 3/5+ Hilbert, 3/5+ Sonia, or 2/5+ Aaron you can use them instead of Hop

[eternal mist]

Since those 2 may benefit from sand

[rotund lagoon]

Also use the Upgrades screen.

[mellow linden]

If your Olivia isn't EX you might want to target the sides with Stone Edge and the center with Sync nuke

[flint heart]

Rock roster could use sum wrk

[nocturne pawn]

i hate the fact that syncs have -1 crit rate innate

i had to reset on koga so much

[mellow linden]

Bruh, you have 5/5 EX Olivia

[nocturne pawn]

because of that

[mellow linden]

You're set for Rock weak stages

[flint heart]

Ground is straight tho

[nocturne pawn]

koga is ground weak this time

i off typed

with n

and it took

so many resets

[mellow linden]

They're doing Karen, who's Rock weak

[nocturne pawn]

karen was simple by comparison

oh

[rotund lagoon]

What did I just say

[nocturne pawn]

i was just inserting my own shit about crit mald

oops

[main crow]

You can switch out gordie for either Acerola or Bertha

[eternal mist]

They have completed poison weak too

[mellow linden]

Olivia + Sonia + Acerola (or Bertha if you have her) is an easy 2k

[nocturne pawn]

Gordie isnt very good for rock is he?

[eternal mist]

Yeah

[hot shadow]

Gordie is more of a fire-type support anyway. Fire rebuff and sun

[nocturne pawn]

mm

[flint heart]

Yea gordie is throwing shit off

[nocturne pawn]

sonia or hilbert works

[eternal mist]

I'd take acerola if she hasn't been used

The flinches are 🥰

[mellow linden]

Well they have Sonia in their screenshot, so that's why I said Sonia

[flint heart]

Naw I haven’t used her

[nocturne pawn]

understandable

[mellow linden]

3/5+ Hilbert of course also works instead of Sonia

[eternal mist]

Okay great Sonia acerola and Olivia

[flint heart]

That’s what the optimization said use her pots be clutch

[nocturne pawn]

but just as a general footnote hilbert and sonia are relatively interchangeable for olivia support

[hot shadow]

Olivia has her own crit buffs too

[eternal mist]

Acerola could focus on fliching for the 1st part

And set up sand right before Olivia nukes

[mellow linden]

Future reference: don't use the optimize button

[flint heart]

Ik

[hot shadow]

Don't use optimize

[flint heart]

I gotta see if I have acerola gridded

[nocturne pawn]

she doesnt need grid

[flint heart]

I might not tho

[nocturne pawn]

its not really good either

[flint heart]

Oh even better

[eternal mist]

She just needs the aggravation iirc

[nocturne pawn]

aggravation one is innate

[eternal mist]

I think it's on the grid

[mellow linden]

She doesn't need much, grab Astonish Aggravation and Sandstorm MP Refresh and you're good to go

[eternal mist]

But easily reached

[nocturne pawn]

i think

[flint heart]

Well I gotta see if I have that set give me a sec I’ll check her out nd be back

[nocturne pawn]

if she gets another aggravation node then get that too

[hot shadow]

It's not

[eternal mist]

I'd personally do this

[nocturne pawn]

oh wait it isnt mb

but its 1/5 so you can get it fine

[eternal mist]

If you are really lacking orbs you could beeline for aggravation and not make the circle

[flint heart]

Done

[eternal mist]

You know abt flinching?

And the order which the enemy attacks?

[nocturne pawn]

why does acerola get move multipliers when astonish does so little

[eternal mist]

It adds up in a diff mode i guess

[flint heart]

Nope can’t say I do that’s prolly another reason why I didn’t even do 10k wen I was playing e4 avidly

[eternal mist]

Ah

[nocturne pawn]

flinch stops enemy attacks and causes the sides to do their own attacks or buff items such as x atk/speed etc iirc

[eternal mist]

Flinches just cancels out an enemy's queued attack. And it delays their sync countdown

[flint heart]

Ah damn flinch is pretty cool then

[nocturne pawn]

its helpful

for hard stuff like this

since in cs you wanna delay their sync move as much as possible

[eternal mist]

And the order of enemy action iirc is centre, right, centre, left, centre, etc

So acerola shld target the ones that are taking action with astonish

And hope she flinchlocks everything

[nocturne pawn]

ngl

60% doesnt feel real at times

its like

10%

[flint heart]

Ok so I’ll use Olivia the sand ghost and I jus need support

[nocturne pawn]

yes

[eternal mist]

Sonia is fine

[nocturne pawn]

you have sonia 3/5 right

shes great

[flint heart]

Yea

She’s clutch

[nocturne pawn]

use her

[flint heart]

She gives me a shit ton of potions all the time

[eternal mist]

She's Gona have the 1st sync, and Olivia the 2nd sync

[nocturne pawn]

also if you have aaron for future reference hes also good for olivia

[nocturne pawn]

imagine being able to sync twice

[eternal mist]

In csmm? It's a good idea imo

[flint heart]

The bug vispoquen Aaron correct

[nocturne pawn]

i had to stone edge karen’s honchkrow so much to get it to ko range post sync

it was stressful

times like these are when i wish i had ingo

[eternal mist]

Okay I'll leave it in the good hands of the rest who are online

[nocturne pawn]

but alas

copium

[eternal mist]

Good luck with your R3

[flint heart]

I’ll let you guys kno how it goes

Thx

[main crow]

Bit late but shouldn't EX Olivia be able to do pre sync?

[nocturne pawn]

she can

it was just very tight in my experience

[mellow linden]

EX 2/5+ Olivia destroys pretty much all Rock weak content

[nocturne pawn]

though its possible that i chose sync accel parameters

which is uh

lol

[mellow linden]

I can't think of a single Rock-weak stage that isn't region-specific that 2/5+ EX Olivia can't easily take care of, really

[nocturne pawn]

yeah its probably just bad parameters

[main crow]

Yeah nah don't do sync accel pre sync unless you can guarantee getting those multipliers quick

[nocturne pawn]

uh

i keep forgetting thats banned

anyway drill peck hurts

a lot

its annoying

especially when she ohko’d palossand

[main crow]

Who were you tanking with?

[nocturne pawn]

i brought hilbert

whos kinda fragile

so i wanted to use ace’s tm to make sure he doesnt die

but then shes liable to getting rng’d by drill peck and dying

it was probably just a bad strat

or too many strength parameters

[main crow]

tfw Acerola has even lower defense than Hilbert

[toxic cobalt]

Acerola cannot tank She will take maybe two hits

[main crow]

Think Hilbert should be able to survive 2-3 more hits after the drill peck, he can have shielded too on TM

[toxic cobalt]

The key is to not get drill pecked

[main crow]

Maybe more if you have healthy healing

[drifting sleet]

Planning for next week

Settled on ice/fairy

Not sure if 1/5 Duraladon is viable for steel weak

Also not sure who to use for bug/ghost weak

Thoughts?

[toxic cobalt]

Don't see why Duraladon can't do steel weak

What was your bug team last week? Can you use it again?

[main crow]

You have an invested Lusamine, she can probably handle Johto

[drifting sleet]

She's not invested

[main crow]

saids the person who have never ever used her

[drifting sleet]

Or rather not gridded

[main crow]

Oh

[drifting sleet]

Ye im not sure if she's better or if NYDawn is better

[main crow]

Noland does some nice number even in 2k I can vouch for him

[toxic cobalt]

I assume either works, she's just neat

[drifting sleet]

Also Lusamine would need someone to feed her spa buffs right?

[drifting sleet]

Yessu Lillie is my fave - although I think her spot is threatened by Eri rn

[toxic cobalt]

Just give her a speed buffer then and she's away!

[main crow]

For the sync yeah tho her bug type move is physical

[drifting sleet]

Also I'm worried about Lusamine getting insta-clapped from enemy sync

[main crow]

Unless you're planning to chip away sides with blizzard aoe

[drifting sleet]

She has two, bug buzz and lunge

[toxic cobalt]

She 100% will it's pre-sync or nothing

[main crow]

Damn I'm really showing I've never used her lmao

[toxic cobalt]

Burgh can be used as can Bugsy, and I ike Bugsy more, but neither is levelled so I assume not gridded

[drifting sleet]

If only my guzma was 3/5 this would be a simple pick

[main crow]

Yeah she needs external support for the attack/spatk stats

[drifting sleet]

I was eyeing Burgh yeah

[main crow]

I am once again suggesting Noland

[drifting sleet]

Do I just cop out and use cserena again

[main crow]

He already does nice damage and his multipliers are fairly easy to reach

[drifting sleet]

Fury cutter?

[waxen surge]

Is there a way to see what moves the bosses have?

[toxic cobalt]

Noland excels as a secondary striker imo

[main crow]

Pomastool

[main crow]

I prefer x scissor but fury cutter is pretty nice if the team runs on some pretty tight gauge usage

[nocturne pawn]

apparently fury cutter is better than x scissor for dps assuming you have 100% accuracy

[onyx ice]

Fury cutter is better if you run with 6ex Hilbert (samurott) so you can spam fury cutter since turn 1

If you don't mind the mega fury cutter hits harder than x scissor

[sand karma]

Wtf I've had longer daily battles

[onyx ice]

112 max BP vs 80 of fury cutter

[sand karma]

Is he that weak or Cyrus that good

[onyx ice]

Cyrus is good

[sand karma]

I knew he was good but first sync wipe daaaamn

[onyx ice]

I mean i destroy it and i don't even have Lucas

[nocturne pawn]

was this with or without dragon zone

also this is what i used

[sand karma]

With of course no point getting Lucas and not using zone it ran out by the time i took the ss

I used zone and or weather in all except poison this week

[main crow]

Cyrus just built different

[hot shadow]

#1010274591601598555

[rotund torrent]

I have 1/5 diantha and I still can’t beat rock weak 2k who should I use

[void wyvern]

1/5 diantha should be doing the job. Can you show your team?

[rotund torrent]

Maybe I’m just not using her right

[void wyvern]

Team looks good.

Who are you syncing with?

[rotund torrent]

Skyla first

[void wyvern]

That’s also good.

So where does it go wrong? What is making you lose?

[rotund torrent]

I run out of rock zone and by then Olivia doesn’t do enough to out damage them before they kill me

[frosty axle]

what parameters is the question?

[void wyvern]

Seems like a parameter issue. Can you show those?

Also, what round are you on?

[rotund torrent]

Oh I was using max hp I think that’s why

[void wyvern]

Hehe, that would be the likely culprit

[rotund torrent]

Lmao thanks

[frosty axle]

max hp is for stall or high damage nukes

[void wyvern]

Strength is better is most situations, but it sounds like you’re gonna great, just let us know if you have any other troubles!

[rotund torrent]

Thanks!

[void wyvern]

Good luck!

[onyx ice]

Funny numbers

[zealous karma]

Looks like Someone is not alive\

[void wyvern]

Now is funny.

[rotund lagoon]

ROARK? THAT DUDE’S FUCKING DEAD

[mellow linden]

Fortunately Diantha's got the rest covered

[zealous karma]

She’s such a fun unit I adore this alt

[zealous karma]

Idt he’d survive even with standfast 9

[void wyvern]

He does not. He takes 1,180 damage with standfast 9 active.

[trail smelt]

All that HP stat wasted

Well I suppose it lets him live through AoEs until he’s ready to lay down his life lol

[swift swan]

that's how Roark is meant to be used lmao

one-time bomb

not even standfast 9 can save him

[full mesa]

Need Standfast 9 x2 in order to survive 2-3 turns.

[swift swan]

Recoil Removal 5

[dark osprey]

They've got the Hugh passive out now. So a lower variation of that is a possibility

Rock throw defense crush or staggering most probably

[swift swan]

STAGGERING

[keen jasper]

Or 3x Steadfast 9

Literal 0.1% recoil damage

[full mesa]

What's the difference between recoil remover and standfast?

[full mesa]

How do the calculations work again? 3x standfast 9 is 9x9x9?

[keen jasper]

Recoil Removal has a chance to either not take recoil damage or take it, Steadfast mitigates "current" recoil damage

[swift swan]

Recoil Removal is a chance to completely negate the damage

[full mesa]

Mitigation or Gamble. Seems like DeNa

[keen jasper]

100 * [100 * (1 - 0.9)] * [100 * (1 - 0.9)] * [100 * (1 - 0.9)]

[full mesa]

So 100 * 90 * 90 * 90?

[keen jasper]

No wait

[keen jasper]

It's 100 * 0.1 * 0.1 * 0.1

[full mesa]

So it's 100 * [100 * (1-n)] * N times.

[keen jasper]

Kinda like that

[full mesa]

Too complicated

[keen jasper]

100 * (1-n) is the recoil damage with Steadfast

So if Roark has 3 Steadfast 9, then it would be:
33% * 0.1= 3.3% * 0.1= 0.33% * 0.1= 0.033% recoil damage

[full mesa]

If the recoil is 9 then
100 * (1-0.9) = 10%

[keen jasper]

You mean Steadfast

[full mesa]

Why did the 100% become 33%? Because of 3 passives?

[keen jasper]

33% because that's the recoil of his Head Smash

[raw halo]

^^

[full mesa]

I see. The % is based on the recoil.

[swift swan]

math

[keen jasper]

Roark isn't in PoMa tools

[raw halo]

He is, click the gridless filter

[keen jasper]

So if Roark dealt 20,000 damage with his Head Smash and 3x Steadfast triggered, 20,0000 * 0.033% or 0.00033 is 6.6 damage

Even with the new damage cap, Roark would only take 330 damage

[full mesa]

Which is close to 40% of its max hp.

Meaning only 3 hits.

[keen jasper]

That's assuming he hits the damage cap

[full mesa]

200k or 20k?

[keen jasper]

999,999 is the 330 damage
The 20k damage is 6.6

[full mesa]

I see. It's ok. 7 damage per hit.

[keen jasper]

7 damage when 20k damage is dealt

[full mesa]

After support sync buff on on-type

[dark osprey]

So a standfast9 and a standfast5 would be more than enough I'm guessing

But they probably won't make the recoil negation so good because that move has like 225bp

That's top tier

[full mesa]

33% * 0.1 * 0.5 = 0.0165.
On 20k it is 330. Which is 1/3 of its max hp at 5.

[nocturne pawn]

isnt recoil only based on the enemy’s % of hp reduced

[full mesa]

Considering how he needs both a speed buff and crit buffer and also someone to keep him alive, it isn't enough.

[full mesa]

It's based on the damage dealt.

[nocturne pawn]

im aware

but recoil doesnt go that high

its based on damage dealt to a certain point so hes not gonna do 999999 recoil unless we get someone that has that much hp

its exactly the same way in pokemon games

you take recoil based on a fraction of the damage dealt that is of the enemy’s hp

[full mesa]

It isn't unheard of the enemies having 20-22k hp. Hoenn is full of them.

[swift swan]

some stages, like Electric-weak Aaron, can exceed 100k HP with the right parameters

[full mesa]

Obviously most of us don't aim for damage cap but considering how SSBrock needs ex to be a viable option for CSMM it would be nice to have something else too.

[toxic cobalt]

He doesn't though

[onyx ice]

He took like 5500 recoil, with standfast 9 would have been 550 so he would have survived

[onyx ice]

Karen didn't had 35k HP left, recoil was around 5.5k

[onyx ice]

With SS diantha, regular SS Brock is enough

[full mesa]

What about without her?

[onyx ice]

SS Brock is pretty useless without ex then

It's more that SS diantha carries SS Brock, than SS Brock being good

Like she can Carry Roark and kill the sides while roark sacrifices his life against the center

[manic kiln]

Mono rock clear with ss brock. He’s still mediocre tho and you need ex

He’ll do ok with optimal team even without Ss Diantha.

[spring fable]

Roark Head Smash MGR9

[onyx ice]

Immagine if they give roark stuffs like healthy super hit, extend range

Or maybe they can give him ex, then stuffs like healthy super hit, haymaker, tm follow-through 9, x attack berserker 1, build-up, super syncer

[swift swan]

They'll have to encourage his recoil move too, with the good ol' Recoil Removal 5

[old orchid]

They give him Backfire 2

[cinder summit]

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[nocturne pawn]

nah it’ll be backfire 6

[stray sentinel]

Looking to get medals. Is there a better support I can use here ?

Fighting will poison weak

Will*

or should i give up on using scolipe and palpitoad ?

nevermind

[lunar meadow]

Did you figure it out?

[stray sentinel]

Yeah I am now stuck on Lance lol

[main crow]

Cyrus

The answer to every dragon weak

He's simply that good even without ex+boost

[keen jasper]

Damn, fully setting up SS Diantha's B Diamond Storm nuke is fucking tough

[stray sentinel]

I am using him and not sure what else I can use, maybe a special def down character

[main crow]

If you have Lucian then sure

[stray sentinel]

Is what I’m thinking

Oh Lucian I do have

[full mesa]

You can try it. But Lance is special.

[main crow]

Cyrus is already quite self sufficient, with all he needs I someone who can keep him healthy

[keen jasper]

Yeah

[stray sentinel]

So Cyrus and a potion user like Deanna and who else

[full mesa]

Make Elio target 1

[main crow]

And crit boost if you don't wanna get fucked over by rng

[full mesa]

Elio/Cyrus/Skyla. It's a good combo.

[stray sentinel]

Oh we don’t target the middle this time

Who is Elio do I have him

[full mesa]

Primarina

[stray sentinel]

Lmao ty

Let’s try this

[full mesa]

This is hard mode, right?

[stray sentinel]

Yeah

[full mesa]

Yeah. It's going to be ok. Worst case scenario, sleep them.

[stray sentinel]

Who syncs first and second

[main crow]

If you're planning to sleep make sure you primarina have the Troublemaker 1 lucky skill

The jump from 45% to 90% is way too good to be missed out

[full mesa]

If you have an ex support then that. Otherwise only Cyrus.

[stray sentinel]

Should I aim to down lance first of dragalge?

or*

[full mesa]

Go for Lance. Just make sure to quadqueue.

[stray sentinel]

did it by the skin of my teeth

TY guys

[lunar meadow]

Congrats

[teal siren]

What parameters should I use for this team against Koga? Trying to get 2k

[keen jasper]

What round?

[teal siren]

3

[keen jasper]

You don't have someone to cure poison

[mellow linden]

Also with that team Bertha is the best choice to tank

Since she has decent defensive stats and gives herself +2 to each with every Trainer Move use, as long as Sandstorm is up

[keen jasper]

Isn't the only thing that requires sandstorm activation is the AoE crit buff?

[mellow linden]

I think the teamwide +1 Sp. Def. needs it too

Lemme recheck

[keen jasper]

Ah, it's the defensive buffs that needs sandstorm activation

[mellow linden]

Yeah, just checked

[keen jasper]

The crit comes naturally

[mellow linden]

The teamwide buffs need Sandstorm

[teal siren]

So is it possible for this team to reach 2k?

[mellow linden]

Almost certainly, I used that team to 2k Shauntal back in the last Unova CS run, and Koga should be roughly the same difficulty

[teal siren]

Any suggestions for point options i should choose?

[mellow linden]

Can try the pre-Sync parameters and if you're not able to KO Koga before he Syncs you can switch to post-Sync

[pure pond]

Any idea what i can use for karen with classic blue&Aerodactyl and Ingo&Excadrill?

[mellow linden]

If you have 2/5+ Olivia you could use her. Ingo supports double damage-dealer comps very well

[pure pond]

sadly i dont even have 1/5 Olivia 😄

i wanted to use her too :/

[mellow linden]

Ah. In that case a defensive Support can work

[pure pond]

should i try post or pre sync?

[mellow linden]

Can try both and see what works for you

[pure pond]

aight, thanks

i might ask you again for help for lance 😄

[teal siren]

Double down 5 or brain sync 3 for grid use?

[toxic cobalt]

For who when with what team

[teal siren]

Naomi against Koga on cs 2k with Bertha and Courtney on the team

[mellow linden]

Por que no los dos?

[toxic cobalt]

Double down feels easier given that’ll be a slow team

[toxic cobalt]

Or hey if this is possible

[mellow linden]

It should be, I have a Naomi grid that does both

Gimme a sec to put together something on pomatools since it's a little faster

[toxic cobalt]

Oh yeah that’s very possible

Can get both and both sync tiles

[mellow linden]

Can also sacrifice 1 Sync base power tile to get modifiers for Earth Power. Could be good depending on preferences

[pure pond]

hm the team isnt working

post and pre sync are not working, whenever he got sync up she oneshots aerodactyl

[toxic cobalt]

Dump Courtney for a good support

You buff too slowly

[mellow linden]

Different person from the Naomi team

[toxic cobalt]

[mellow linden]

Well on pre-Sync the opponent shouldn't be getting to Sync at all

[pure pond]

oh sry i did not mean to interrupt your talk

[mellow linden]

Nah, it's fine

Who're you attacking 1st?

[pure pond]

middle

[mellow linden]

Ok, good, just wanted to make sure. Who'd you pick for your 3rd teammate and what's the general strategy you're utilizing?

[teal siren]

Post and pre aren’t working for my team either with Bertha, Naomi, and courtney

[mellow linden]

In your case replacing Courtney with a Sp. Atk. and/or crit Support may be a better option, yeah

[teal siren]

So would ground zone not really be needed?

[mellow linden]

It definitely should be doable without for Johto CS

[toxic cobalt]

Zones are never needed, and are much less impactful than having proper buffs

[mellow linden]

It was released way before Courtney released

[pure pond]

i chose aaron for def buff. I boost aerodactyl with "bonjour" and than i just start hitting

[toxic cobalt]

Are you managing to fully triple queue ?

[pure pond]

yep

[mellow linden]

I'd recommend choosing a different Support since Aaron's offensive buffs are somewhat redundant with Ingo, personally

[toxic cobalt]

How much of the bar is hyper beam doing?

[pure pond]

like 1/6 i think

[teal siren]

These are the units that raise sp attk and crit anyone you recommend??

[mellow linden]

Could try SS Elesa

Especially since she can help eliminate the need for quadqueue

[pure pond]

yea im not quite in there where i choose which support, but someday i'll get there

aight

[toxic cobalt]

Feels a bit low but should be doable. How close are you getting?

[pure pond]

i mostly need like 1-2 more hits

[toxic cobalt]

Have you tried running a sleeper or flincher in the 3rd slot?

[pure pond]

no i havent

[toxic cobalt]

Can get you 1-2 extra moves

[pure pond]

i try with SS Elesa first now

nope im always missing 1 more hit

damn it

[mellow linden]

Are you using SS Elesa's Trainer Move before or after you do your 1st Sync?

[pure pond]

I got it finally

lmao

[mellow linden]

Alright, cool

[pure pond]

i switched her out and used acerola

[mellow linden]

If it works it works, yeah

[pure pond]

now i can offtype the rest

great

hopefully

[pure pond]

I'm done, finished my first 7,55k C:

[lunar meadow]

Congrats!

[teal siren]

Would garchomp and cynthia be a better unit to use against Koga?

[mellow linden]

What move level is Cynthia?

[teal siren]

1/5

[mellow linden]

Naomi's probably still better then, but you can certainly give Cynthia a try if you want

[teal siren]

If i can get 3/5 cynthia would she be better?

[mellow linden]

Definitely, but I would avoid trying to 3/5 her specifically for one CS stage. Worst case scenario you can likely off-type Koga

If Cynthia was already a 3/5 priority for you when it comes to candy usage it'd be more worthwhile though

But I doubt you need to use Cynthia or off-type. What specifically is going wrong?

[teal siren]

Well ive been wanting cynthia and was hoping I could just pull 2/5 and get the pity. or get lucky and pull 3/5

[mellow linden]

I wouldn't recommend spending gems for dupes at all

[rotund torrent]

How can I beat grass 2k? Ss Erika gets close but I die from sync

[zealous karma]

Are you triple queing and do you have adrenaline on sycamore grid?

I’d replace sycamore bulb with Brendan he’s a lot better

[rotund torrent]

Is triple queuing just making sure u always have something queeed for each mon

Oh I’ll use Brendan then

[zealous karma]

Yes

And then check the pins on quad queuing

[rotund torrent]

Ok thanks

And for Brendan do I have to get the lucky skill that make su not lower ur spA

[mellow linden]

Yeah, Brendan kinda needs Dauntless

[rotund torrent]

Aight Thansk

[teal siren]

I ended up switching Courtney for SS elesa and Noami hardly does damage. Switch to vespiquen and just tried to setup with all Naomi’s trainer moves. And still not doing much damage what am I doing wrong?

I ended up switching Courtney for SS elesa and Noami hardly does damage. Switch to vespiquen and just tried to setup with all Naomi’s trainer moves. And still not doing much damage what am I doing wrong?

[mellow linden]

You're setting up Sandstorm, right?

I'm assuming yes since you didn't mention replacing Bertha

[void wyvern]

Who are you syncing with?

[mellow linden]

Also, what round is this?

[teal siren]

Round 3 and I’m syncing with Naomi

[mellow linden]

Who's left for round 4, and what team are you planning on using there?

[teal siren]

Will for round 4 and I’m planning on fall Iris, looker and I think aura Cynthia

[void wyvern]

Clear will first

You’ll have better luck pre syncing with the r4 parameter

[mellow linden]

Yeah, I think you'll have an easier time doing Koga on Round 4 due to the enhanced Sync buff effectiveness

[void wyvern]

Ran a test or 2. R4 should make your attempt much smoother.

[teal siren]

I definitely want poison on Will right? I’ve been going through it and can’t win just realized I had no status condition on.

[void wyvern]

Will doesn’t have any damage reduction related to poison. He just has a very low resistance to it. So it’s not required, just recommended.

Is your team still SSA Cynthia, Looker, and Fall Iris?

[teal siren]

Yeah. Should I make changes?

Iris 1/5, looker 2/5, ssa Cynthia is 2/5

[void wyvern]

Any ex’d?

[teal siren]

Cynthia is

[void wyvern]

Good, good.

Who are you syncing with?

[teal siren]

Cynthia first and then looker

[void wyvern]

Sounds all good.

What goes wrong? Are you not doing enough damage before the enemy sync, are they doing too much damage to you?

[teal siren]

I survive first enemy sync. But just not doing enough damage pre sync

[void wyvern]

Hmmm that’s a bit odd.

Are you using the pre sync parameters in the pins?

[teal siren]

I mean it’s at least 3/4 but I was hoping to KO pre-sync

[void wyvern]

With this team, you absolutely should be able to.

So we’re looking for that odd reason why.

[teal siren]

So my first 3 queues are looker t-move then Iris then Cynthia then I go into looker dire hit and poison wish with Iris then I start attacking

[mellow linden]

What moves are you using with each team member?

Once they’ve finished setting up

Also, what move level is your SSA Cynthia?

[void wyvern]

2/5

[mellow linden]

Hmmm, they’re probably gonna need to use Looker’s 1st 3 turns to set up then

[void wyvern]

One idea is setting up with tm, dire hit x2

And then fishing for the poison from Iris acid.

You can grid looker for toxic power at 2/5 for an bit more damage

[mellow linden]

Does SSA Cynthia have the Adrenaline Lucky Skill?

[teal siren]

No

[mellow linden]

There it is

[teal siren]

So should my first 3 turns all be used on looker?

[mellow linden]

Wait

You’re not triple queueing?

[void wyvern]

Also I remembered something Cynthia’s sync will overwrite poison zone.

[mellow linden]

True, but from the sound of things there are more obvious issues in play

[void wyvern]

Oh yeah, one step at a time. Just writing it down so I don’t forget.

[teal siren]

My moves at start are looker tm, Iris tm, Cynthia tm, dire hit, poison wish, dire hit, hyper beam, poison jab

[mellow linden]

How many of your team members are acting before every enemy action?

[teal siren]

All 3. I mean I don’t really use vacuum wave so I’m just queuing with Iris and looker

[mellow linden]

Well there’s a big problem right there

Even if it’s not dealing much damage SSA Cynthia needs to be using moves so that you can get your 2nd Sync before the enemy can get their 1st Sync. If you’re having trouble quadqueueing (that is, managing to sneak in a move from SSA Cynthia right after she Syncs) you can get the Adrenaline Lucky Skill on her

[teal siren]

I’m gonna try to get that skill on her but only got 7 cookies

[mellow linden]

The current LG just so happens to give cookies that guarantee Adrenaline

If you’re willing to take a little bit to do a few fights

[toxic cobalt]

99% of the time you queue with all 3 units, even if it's jsut vacuum wave

[rotund lagoon]

One bar moves make it better.

Because they’re the easiest to queue among Supports.

It’s not about the Supports doing damage, it’s about being able to get your queue in easier through everyone’s help. Then your damage dealer can get the job done.

I’m trying my hardest to explain this, but having your queuing ready, you can plan better around your opponent.

[teal siren]

Thanks just beat will the queuing was the biggest problem! Didn’t need Cynthia to have adrenaline.

[rotund lagoon]

Queuing makes a huge difference

[teal siren]

Now the team of Naomi, Bertha and Aaron should beat Koga right?

[rotund lagoon]

Is Aaron EX’d?

[teal siren]

Not but I can get him ex’d

[mellow linden]

I think SS Elesa would be better. That way Naomi only has to use 2 turns at most to set up her buffs

Since Bertha can handle some of the crit and SS Elesa handles Sp. Atk.

[rotund lagoon]

That’s fair.

I haven’t been able to fully do my research on Naomi yet

[teal siren]

Grid recommendations?

[mellow linden]

Plus you can save SS Elesa’s Trainer Move for right after your 1st Sync to 100% ensure you can fit in 2 Syncs before the opponent fits in 1

[rotund lagoon]

#1009587872342478908

[mellow linden]

If your SS Elesa is only 1/5 just grab both her MP Refreshes

She really wants to get the X Sp. Atk. All MP Refresh so she can max Naomi’s Sp. Atk.

[rotund lagoon]

Why can’t she do one Sp Atk herself then have SS Elesa do the rest?

Just curious.

[teal siren]

X SP ATTK MPR I can only get 1 since she’s 1 out of 5

[mellow linden]

That’s enough

[void wyvern]

It’s the Breathtaking refresh on the top right you should also grab

[mellow linden]

Ideally Naomi is at most spending 2 turns on setting up, those being on her Trainer Move to get Speed buffs for Ramming Speed

[teal siren]

So I should have ramming speed on her?

[mellow linden]

It’s a nice idea, especially since it’s on the way to one of her Sync modifiers

[rotund lagoon]

Ohhhh that makes sense.

[mellow linden]

Gimme a sec, I remember putting a grid recommendation here earlier

[teal siren]

This is the one I have for Naomi at the moment

[mellow linden]

Yeah, here it is

Might wanna replace Earth Power On a Roll with Brain Sync since that’ll boost her Sync Move’s damage a good bit

[zealous karma]

Do you have the no stat debuff param equipped?

[mellow linden]

Especially if you’re running the “No Stat Reductions” parameter

[teal siren]

I was gonna leave that off

[teal siren]

Would your strat work better?

[void wyvern]

You can get the goodies like this

[mellow linden]

I think Brain Sync will be more reliable, but you can definitely try both options and see what works for you

[void wyvern]

Brain sync will definitely give you more damage

[teal siren]

Should I only be syncing with Naomi?

[mellow linden]

If SS Elesa isn’t EX then yes

Bertha would need an Attack buffer if you plan to Sync with her

[void wyvern]

Bertha is 2/5 so Naomi will be better in this scenario.

[mellow linden]

Almost certainly, yeah

[zealous karma]

I was able to get super close with Naomi Sabrina Acerola

If you don’t have reflect up Naomi does explode tho

I also got super bad flinch rng

So it’s 100% doable

I did not sync with Sabrina either to make sure too

[mellow linden]

I think Bertha + SS Elesa will be slightly more reliable teammates

[zealous karma]

It was on round one

Naomi really wants flinch for this fight because the sides will make her explode

[mellow linden]

Lemme do some testing, brb

[zealous karma]

And gauge with sselesa is annoying from my experience and Naomi isn’t exactly the fastest

[void wyvern]

I tested Courtney Bertha Naomi I melted mid and even with ground zone up the sides earthquakes weren’t doing more than half.

[zealous karma]

https://streamable.com/xyo6nr I don’t take to much power on hit so

[void wyvern]

Is this R1?

Reflect pep rally!

[zealous karma]

It’s round one ye

[void wyvern]

Let me record my own test

[void wyvern]

Here’s what I tested with Bertha Courtney Naomi on R1

[mellow linden]

Bertha/Naomi/SS Elesa works. Some notes:

• My SS Elesa is 5/5 and EX, but I didn't Sync with her and she doesn't need anything beyond 1/5 to work. Vigilance Lucky Skill.

• My Bertha is 4/5, but she uses a 2/5 grid rn. No Lucky Skill.

• Naomi used the grid I posted earlier. Weathered Warrior 3 Lucky Skill, easily replaceable with Critical Strike 2.

• I did get an MP Refresh on SS Elesa's Trainer Move. I'm not sure how necessary this is, but I would assume not very.

• I stopped using SS Elesa's moves after Koga went down because I was unlucky and she was poisoned at the 1st Poison Jab. Triple queue is important while Koga is still up, but once he's down you can stop using SS Elesa's moves if you need to do so to keep her alive longer.

• I used the 2k post-Sync parameters in pins, no alterations.

• I have maxed 3-star gear. If you don't have it and are struggling, you'll wanna do the Grass gear event running rn.

• I screwed up and Naomi got 1 move against 1 of the sides without Sand and so failed to one-shot it. If you properly maintain Sandstorm it should be 1 Earth Power per side.

Oh, another note: 1 Earth Power per side may be due to Sandstorm, Sand Tomb, and/or Stealth Rock chip damage

But they aren’t able to significantly threaten Naomi, so no big deal

[old orchid]

SS Elesa not having Head Start? Thats shocking

[mellow linden]

I’m weird and use her Trainer Move after my 1st Sync, so I like the insurance policy

[swift swan]

not you too...

[zealous karma]

I also run head start elesa but whenever she gets TM MPR it’s a shock plz give her adrenaline and sync burst

[swift swan]

I have Vigilance EleSSa

might change it to adrenaline probably

I, like Cobalt, use her trainer move after my first sync

[zealous karma]

I usually pray/reset for TM MPR

[old orchid]

Hey 3 turns acceleration is pog

[toxic cobalt]

How does Honchkrow twister hit so hard!>

[old orchid]

Karen gave it Dragon Gem!

[void wyvern]

Guess that makes three of us. I do too.

Karen really has initial dragon power 5

[nocturne pawn]

honchkrow’s anything hits hard

[toxic cobalt]

It's insanely powerful it's taking out Skyla

[nocturne pawn]

mfw she hits drill pecks for over 1k

without crits

[swift swan]

karen is a menace

[desert berry]

What’s a good poison team for Will?

[swift swan]

Poison is a free 2k stall

Janine + Lucy + self sustainable tank

[desert berry]

Oh?

How to 2k stall?