PWM fan control not working | Rat Rig Community [Unofficial] | Page 1

toxic cosmos Aug 9, 2024, 10:04 PM

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Hello how I've been trying to figure out how to add PWM control to a fan.
Currently the fan never turns off and only seems to accelerate to a max setpoint of 40% anything higher doesn't seem to make a difference.
I've tried every step on the os.ratrig.com/docs/guides/4028 but nothing seems to make a difference.
Octopus 1.1 board
I've currently got my fan wired as such:
12v+ plugged into J56 fan 7
Ground plugged into J64 PA3
PWM plugged into J50 PA8
Fan is a AVC model DBTB0428B2G 12v 1A
Attached is the only change I've made to printer.cfg
And the ratos general pins from my config

If anyone has any idea I'd appreciate the input

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sage dragonBOT Aug 9, 2024, 10:04 PM

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shadow wagon Aug 9, 2024, 10:26 PM

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post your printer.cfg and a pic of the wiring to the octopus please

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As a note for the future, this would have been better under #1047083812875677756 , but not a big deal 🙂

toxic cosmos Aug 9, 2024, 10:42 PM

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📎 printer.cfg

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Sorry, I wasn't sure if this was an OS issue or a printer issue. FMP would be a better place indeed

candid sparrow Aug 10, 2024, 12:52 PM

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Hello.
To make thing easy to you, you can connect both 12V and GND to J64. 12V is always there since the switching is always done by GND.
Then, on the configurator, did you select INPUT VOLTAGE PWM or Digital PWM on 2-pin port for this fan?
Can you chare RatOS.cfg? almost all configs are there, including the fans, not on RatOS.cfg.

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I ask this about the configurator because seem like the fan is not getting the PWM signal...

shadow wagon Aug 10, 2024, 5:09 PM

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Interesting. I have power and ground coming from the same J56, not using the heater outputs at all

vital vault Aug 10, 2024, 6:53 PM

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shadow wagon Interesting. I have power and ground coming from the same J56, not using the hea...

You can use the heater output as the enable pin so it doesn't go to 100% when starting klipper

shadow wagon Aug 10, 2024, 7:18 PM

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It's how the documentation said to put it, and it's in another room so I don't mind the noise when it restarts. Which is very seldom 🙂

toxic cosmos Aug 10, 2024, 7:35 PM

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candid sparrow Hello. To make thing easy to you, you can connect both 12V and GND to J64. 12V i...

What configurator are you referring to?

candid sparrow Aug 10, 2024, 7:40 PM

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toxic cosmos What configurator are you referring to?

What version of RatOS are you using?

toxic cosmos Aug 10, 2024, 7:41 PM

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2.1

candid sparrow Aug 10, 2024, 7:42 PM

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Update everything (always starting with RatOS and then all the others).
Then, on the left side, click on configurator.
This will help you get everything running.

toxic cosmos Aug 10, 2024, 7:43 PM

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Alright, I'll have to take a look on Sunday. Thanks

vital vault Aug 10, 2024, 9:53 PM

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shadow wagon It's how the documentation said to put it, and it's in another room so I don't m...

Documentation also says to do it this way
https://os.ratrig.com/docs/guides/4028#my-fan-runs-at-100-until-klipper-boots

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shadow wagon Aug 10, 2024, 9:57 PM

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Interesting. I'll take a look at the 3.1 dozuki docs later

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 4:07 PM

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vital vault Documentation also says to do it this way https://os.ratrig.com/docs/guides/4028...

I have tried wiring it every way with all the relevant config changes on this documentation

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I think there is also a mistake on this documentation. In one of the pictures it shows a 12v and 24v jumper for the fan 7 header and the pwm signal

vital vault Aug 11, 2024, 4:12 PM

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toxic cosmos I think there is also a mistake on this documentation. In one of the pictures it...

Pull requests are welcome

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 7:39 PM

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toxic cosmos I think there is also a mistake on this documentation. In one of the pictures it...

The jumper is not the important part. It was already in the image used to make this instructions. The green box is what matters…

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And this instructions are for RatOS 2.0, not 2.1.
New documentations is being made.

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 7:42 PM

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candid sparrow And this instructions are for RatOS 2.0, not 2.1. New documentations is being ma...

Aww that would probably explain why it didn't work

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 7:44 PM

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also, the documentation on "supported boards" showing the wiring diagram have this quite visible

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toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 7:46 PM

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Aww, I missed that note

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 7:46 PM

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you can do what I told you before.
Connect black and red wire to any of the open fan ports (from fan 3 to fan5).
Connect the blue wire to fan0 (GND pin)
on printer.cfg you just need to include this:

[fan]
enable_pin: whatever_pin_you_used (if fan3, it will be PD13 in an octopus board)

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everything else is already configured on RatOS.cfg

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 7:49 PM

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Let me try that quick

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 7:52 PM

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toxic cosmos Let me try that quick

this is what I use on V-Minion, VC3.1 and VC4 IDEX. I know it works 😉

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:05 PM

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fan still runs when printer is turned on

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using fan 5

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it does run faster if I change the setpoint but never stops

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@candid sparrow That setup works!
Also turns out I had it setup in the configurator to use a 2 pin digital pwm.
The next thing to figure out is the fan curve. Seems like anything 1-100% is just 100%

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:20 PM

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toxic cosmos <@766366181006901249> That setup works! Also turns out I had it setup in the co...

I also spoke about the digital pwm signal above 😉

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About the fan curve, what fan are you using? The one within the kit?

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Where did you connect the fan plugs?

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:22 PM

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Sadly not, the one that came with the kit died with a motherboard because of our bed probe

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Fan is a AVC model DBTB0428B2G 12v 1A

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Fan header 5 has the 12v and ground, blue wire is in fan 0 gnd

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:22 PM

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toxic cosmos Fan is a AVC model DBTB0428B2G 12v 1A

Ok. Let’s check pinout first

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Did you configure it as digita pwm on the octopus or the toolboard?

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:24 PM

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Wait....

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I changed it from digitial. Digital wasnt working

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I am only using the octopus

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:26 PM

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No.

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It has to be digital. Mandatory for 4028

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Input voltage is only for 2 wire fans

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If digital is not working is for other reasons

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:27 PM

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Okay. I've reverted it and now the fan never turns off. it still accelerates but never goes to 0

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:28 PM

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toxic cosmos Okay. I've reverted it and now the fan never turns off. it still accelerates but...

Because it is missing the PWM signal from fan0

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Try testing both cycle times

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cycle_time: 0.00004
Or
cycle_time: 0.01

Under your [fan] config

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:29 PM

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Current setup:

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:30 PM

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Try cycle_time: 0.00004

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:30 PM

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No differnce with either cycle ti,e

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:30 PM

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On printer.cfg

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:31 PM

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candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:32 PM

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Change the blue wire to fan4 and on pin: set it to PD14

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:32 PM

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I said fan header 5 but I meant fan header 4 but I have the right pin listed for the port im using

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:32 PM

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Go fan5 on blue wire and set pin to PD15

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:35 PM

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Okay, progress

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it now stops but still feels like it goes to 100%

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going to try the other cycle

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Still running at either 0 or 100% no curve

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:37 PM

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The thing is:
The 4028 needs PWM signal to turn off, not turn on. Of there is no signal, the fan will be on.
Combining with enable_pin, whenever you enable the fan it gets power. Without PWN signal will always be on

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Do you have any other fan? If so, connect it to where the blue wire is. Be careful about the pinout

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I NEVER had success with this AVC fans

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have some laying around, toasted some just for testing

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 8:42 PM

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I dont have any other fans at the moment. Correct me if im wrong but I thought PWM signals are 5v?

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I figured it out

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I just commented out the enable_pin and it started working perfectly

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Though I never would have got there without your help ❤️

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candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:57 PM

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toxic cosmos I just commented out the enable_pin and it started working perfectly

you can leave the enable_pin uncomented. that only means you fan will only get power when requested

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 8:57 PM

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toxic cosmos Though I never would have got there without your help ❤️

you welcome

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I will check again my AVC fans without an inverted pin 😛

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Because I love the rampup time on them... They are quite fast

toxic cosmos Aug 11, 2024, 9:00 PM

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The ramp up on this fan is pretty crazy too

candid sparrow Aug 11, 2024, 11:30 PM

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toxic cosmos The ramp up on this fan is pretty crazy too

I know, AVC, the same I have in the drawer

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