#The M9 needs a nerf

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somber igloo
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I've already had this on the back of my head ever since the M9 was introduced, and after playing quite a few pistol games in the past days, I must report that the M9 blows all other semi-auto handguns out of the water.

All other handguns have either one or more of the following:

  • Small magazine
  • High recoil
  • Low fire rate
    OTOH the M9 has a decently large mag (outlasts all high-caliber handguns, Luger and TACOPS/1911), does decent damage (outguns Px4), has virtually no recoil (making followup shots much easier), is incredibly spammy (outspams everyone else except Px4 and Luger), plus laser hipfire accuracy (on the same level as TACOPS/1911)

All of these combined makes it the weapon of choice for pistol mode, and boy is it ever. In my experience around 70% of the players use the M9. In practice, the gun basically fires in full-auto if you spam fast enough

Attachments somewhat closes the gap between the M9 and the others, but not by much. The closest I can think of are both the P30 and Px4 with extended mags, but the M9 still outperforms them in other aspects

My ideas for nerfing are the following:

  • Increase hipfire spread (up to P30's level)
  • Reduce damage (something like 32 up close and 20 at range)
  • Reduce fire rate (down to TACOPS/M1911's level)
    You can combine either two of the three options, but all three at once might be overdoing it
    After nerfing, perhaps we can give it an actual extended mag (+3 rounds) instead of extra reserve ammo

The other option will be buffing the other handguns to better compete with the M9, although this would take much more effort and I haven't come up with any ideas yet

celest inlet
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No

spark turtle
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No

somber igloo
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Since it seems like everyone wants the M9 above all else situation to continue, Wiple pls rename "Pistol Match" to "M9A1 Match"

fringe willow
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no

spark turtle
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I've been killed by the Desert Eagle more than the M9

hollow smelt
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m9 is okey

summer thunder
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He's right tho. Decreasing the minimum damage to 24 could be a good start, right now it's almost unbeatable

hoary umbra
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The WW2 pistol is better than m9

hollow smelt
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but has not much shots in the mag

fluid belfry
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Considering that I played a lot of PSP, I can confidently say that M9 was the most common option to use, and its truly stronger than any other pistol, cuz it has a combination of average damage, minimal recoil as when shooting from hips and with ads, as well as a fairly decent rate of fire and a large magazine. Pistols like Desert Eagle, Python or Rhino may be stronger on paper, but require a high level of skill: reaction and aiming accuracy. Its much easier to take M9, hold down the W button on the keyboard and the left mouse button. I dont think the M9 needs to be debuffed, but devs team could very well improve a couple of other pistols to become as much of a choice as M9. Its clear that this difference between secondary weapons will be noticeable only in a special mode, and in a normal game (TDM, SP, CTF, S&D), sometimes you just need to finish off a player with a low hp, which any secondary weapon can handle, but its face to face in pistol mode that M9 will remain a favorite for a player of any skill level, unless you are a nerd at completing achievements with each pistol.

If you increase magazine for the M1911 (up to 10-11 rounds), then this will be enough to compete with the M9. There is the same primitive level of recoil control, more damage, but a lower rate of fire, however, the lack of 3-4 rounds in the magazine sometimes deprives you of the opportunity to kill more than 2 opponents in a fight at a time. When I played PSP, I felt it like never before. The same goes for the Luger, which is very similar to the M9, but it doesnt have a lot of ammo in the magazine, and also has a pretty ugly base sight, so at the very least it should add sights, as well as a larger ammo magazine.

For P30 it will be enough to reduce the hip recoil a little, just a little, otherwise it will simply replace M9 in the meta. Its a pretty good and strong pistol, but it needs a little tweaking to bring it up to par with M9.