Add other white skin in game skin (but leuc still has something that the white skin doesn't)

[rich jasper]

Mabey add albino skin
That is like a marble white and not as bright as the leuc skin(since ks paid for the leuc skin, the leuc skin should have something different than

[floral brook]

Counter point: stop trying to take away or trade in KS things because people specifically paid for those items during the KS campaign. There is already a silver skin via leum + gold pearl.

Instead, add a lighter grey skin than leum OR create a new "metallic" pearl overlay that works on all skins.

[restive hazel]

I would loooove a metallic pearl, so much. (Rather random, I know.)

[shrewd blaze]

@rich jasper Ummm no...KS PAID for white (leucistic) skin. Further they paid EXTRA for it & the white skin isn't even something all KS has. But you literally can't legally swap out or change something after the fact that's called a bait & switch 🙄
As @floral brook said people need to stop asking for KS stuff to be made available to all.
It's not like you'll never have a white skin...you can get nested as that color. And many are willing to give up their time that could be spent elsewhere nesting people for it.

Nesting is a BIG part of this game.

Furthermore once skincrafting is in there will be NEW skins that will ONLY be available via nesting.

[untold vigil]

I'm all for nesting people in, I really am. I'll do it whenever and wherever so long as I'm free even if I don't feel like it at that time.
But I'm really tired of people asking for KS stuff to be made theirs, swap or not. No hate on you, especially not in specific, but I really just want KS to be left alone, and people to understand that we paid for something specific in kickstarter and would rather keep it that way.

I didn't pay for a metallic skin. I really dislike metallic skins. I don't think theyre pretty, and if a metallic skin was advertised in the dod ks I would not have paid for it.

I'm all for these skin giveaways but I will not tolerate major KS takeaways anymore. If you want white it is fully breedable and its rarity is on par with mela - so you can unlock mela and nest with leuc and have a 50/50 of coming out with a leuc baby.

Small edit: the only thing I would want to see in the future updates is KS stuff (and crim!) being made into swatches. That way lots of people can mix it into their skins and make white accents and such. The only thing that would need to be adressed is of course, letting ks/pt crim customize their spawn with those colors they own. Turning KS skins into KS swatches is something I would believe would diversify the rewards while also reducing coding effort (as to make white a swatch and not a passable overlay, special code for said overlays would not need to be made.)

[rich jasper]

Not to trying to make ks lose there money's worth , what about they add an albino skin that is like a marbel white instead of a snow white ???
That is a nice idea @untold vigil (the customizations for the people that own leuc)

Add other white skin in game skin (but leuc still has something that the white skin doesn't)

[shrewd blaze]

This MAY already be planned for when the skincrafting mentioned above is in the game. I saw a chart somewhere a LONG while ago, so not sure if still accurate. But it had leucistic breeding with other dragon colors to produce offspring of other shades of white.

Have some patience, I'm sure many great skins are coming with skincrafting. There was one skin pre 1.0 that I know many want back. Was called Overo, and was a black/white harlequin, 'cookies n cream' like skin. Beautiful skin that was ONLY acquired via nesting a leucistic and a melanistic dragon.

[untold vigil]

First thing - thanks on the customization perks. I was thinking about that a while and I figure it could be something that would add to KS while reducing the effort on the coding end - which is pretty uncommon in gaming developement generally speaking.
The idea mostly came from the constant, constant back and forth in KS arguing over how white skin should look. With it in swatch form, people can just make it their own.

More on white: I would really just rather white not be modified period. At all - I don't want to compromise on that, because I've been compromising on other ks things for years, as have the entire KS community, be it through miscommunications or just blatantly "We're just going to reduce what you have and heres something else (that many saw as a pity prize)"
I don't want to tolerate that anymore. I paid for white. Not albino, not metallic, just. white.
White swatches would make people be able to make their own skins with white. if they have white skin and like the blues of ss with white from their white swatch, they could do that.

An albino skin, though, doesnt really work in terms of the swatch system - If there were to be an albino skin, that albino state is very dependent on color and not on any patterning, which would make it need to be an overlay.
I don't want a albino skin either when its presented so clearly as a "we have white at home" option. Even if it is a nonpassable overlay and looks different, it would ultimately be presented with the purpose of "we dont have white skin so we want white skin but also not." Albino is not impossible but with the current suggestions title being "add another white skin in game." it feels like a roundabout way to try to get a KS effect without any of the KS. Obviously naturally white dragons are fine like the ice wyvern. They have blues in their palettes though so the white will naturally appear in the species anyways mixed with blue. thats fine.
Plus, there is no reason to add an unlockable white into the game. Leuc is already self sustaining if you put in the effort to keep it from being bred out due to its rarity. Once a white skin owner(s) establish a population of whites, its there. You dont need KS anymore.

I also appreciate you changing the post, but by deleting your original message it can confuse anyone coming in to read (and its why its part of the rules to not modify your original post).
For anyone coming in and catching up, the original post talked about giving white to be unlockable and instead replacing KS stuff with a metallic silver - but as already said, we didnt pay for Silver. and Silver is PTs effect.

edit: the fact I have to redit my post so often bc of the 30min cooldown instead of just making another message clarifying the point feels ehh and almost dishonest, like im changing my points on people, which im not, I'm just trying to make things clear. But then its an essay (to be fair, i always tend to write essays)

[untold vigil]

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I'm about most of the way typing through this so I'm jumping back up here to say I'm definately going on tangents and what I say here is mostly a lot of opinions and personal thoughts about the diagramed skin system
i believe it was leaked from PT chat before the whole "no sending screenshots from pt" was put in place that that flowchart is no longer being used. It was treated (though not clearly) as an early concept to feel how people take that kind of mechanic, I think.
However, im fine with people inheriting leuc and being a self sustaining pop while in the future, white skin owners can just do quests to upnest themselves (especially with the extremely complex punnet square skin breeding mechanic, nesting a pure leuc would have to be a very scientific endevor)
While I like the more increasingly offwhite shades of that system, it does feel like a lot of effort to add into the breeding system that adds a lot of unique problems. How are you going to differentiate the color "leucistic" (it was stated that leuc and white will be identical in color and only be differentiated by the fact leuc nests white and white nests albino) from the color "albino"? If its shade, that can easily be mistaken in lighting, especially when dods lighting is still fairly wip. How will ksers be able to get their leuc colors back on A nested dragons? I did suggest a way to "revert" the color, so if you get nested as albino as a white skin owner you get given the white swatch as an extra choice (same for leum and crim),
However, that in and of itself has problems. The white pop cannot be sustaining with this method without an active KS playing on that server, which is nice to individualize KS players and those that directly nested them but it does limit the life cycle on that server. I wouldn't be against adding it so long as I can spread it, but the fact it isnt self-sustaining is a large con to me. Playing as an all-white swatches dragon with the current breeding system would be rare enough to signal you as a leuc owner since you have to be very particular about maintaining that pure-white line, which would only be viable on huge pve servers.

[rich jasper]

:yes:

[errant dune]

I definitely want to be able to obtain a lighter skin (between leum and leuc) without having to rely on people to nest me. I have a very busy schedule and I play a hardcore CvC server, so most KS
a. Can't align with my schedule
b. Don't feel like growing on a hardcore server
c. Doesn't like the clan they're nesting in
I desperately want leuc but I'd be very content with a light gray skin including a random ugly color on it to make it "less pretty" so ks aren't angry about it

[untold vigil]

i always nest for any clan on any server and i do enjoy pvp over pve so i dont mind nesting for it. Would just have to figure out a time to grow, especially if the server is an official server which is significantly more agressive

[floral brook]

That sucks, because nesting is a pretty big chunk of the game when it comes to skins. Its intended to be that way and IMO shouldnt change. Now something that they CAN do, is add a "Save Skin" feature (and ill make a post on it if anyone else here thinks the idea is good). The idea is you can save one skin per dragon to spawn as, so if you do end up dying even though you spent a lot of time nesting to look good then at least youll have access to that saved skin again.

There, solved it. People can stop whining that only KS has skins because then if they are nested as a rare color then they can save it. And KS can stop being upset that keys are being given away for things that they paid a lot of money for.

[errant dune]

I think ks would be even more mad if we could permanently save a leuc skin on one dragon.
I think we could have a one time "rebirth" option. When you die, you can be born again as the same dragon with the same skin. This would only be available one time per dragon.
Of course it would have to be nerfed somehow but we can further discuss that if it's a good idea.

Also I do appreciate it @untold vigil however I die quite a lot in PvP and I would hate to ask you and other ksers over and over and over for a leuc nest.
I'd feel really bad for wasting your time but I'll DM you if my attempts at buying a leuc account doesn't work out. Much appreciated though 🤍

I just think having more ugly white skin would be ideal, because right now the only skin of that color is locked forever.

[untold vigil]

just let me know if you change your mind. and I dont reccomend buying a leuc account...its so much money. too much to ever reasonably spend on a game. Not to mention a lot of people scalp them like crazy.
i really wont stop you but its seriously costly and just not worth 😦

also id be fine with a rebirth option kind of like bobs revive system, where you can sacrifice other dragons to bring a dragon back to life. and the bigger the dragon the more dramatic the cost. If you have a belobed leuc so much and youre willing to out effort into reviving it then im all game. naturally you shouldnt be able to put it on a new dragon

[floral brook]

I agree KS might be a LITTLE salty, but much less than the current handouts that are going on. Thats why the save feature would be limited to ONE skin. So yeah you -could- save Leuc, but then you cant save your personal Skin Crafted skin (Which IMO would look better since its tailored specifically to what you wanna look like), and you wouldnt be able to lock-in Leum/Crim/Gold either. Youd get 1/5 of rare colors per dragon, per server. [example: Feature wouldnt put leuc on an IR if you only saved it on SS, and skins are saved server-side].

Its a happier medium between our current standoff of "permanently unlock stuff for free that had cost KS $250+" and "nobody can get the color /cry /cry".

"Rebirth" once per dragon wouldnt work because its just a bandaid to the real issue of losing skins you love permanantly. Youll just be back in the same boat you were in without the feature within the next few minutes if you are unlucky and respawn near any KOS people. Sacrifice might work, if it was designed with every dragon having a Point Raiting at 100% adult, then if sacrificed (not killed by another player, but likely sacrificed via button in the character menu since that would be the easiest way to do it) then the points that adult dragon were worth would add to your total point allowance (server locked) that you can spend to revive a dragon. Youll be growing a lot of fodder dragons just to sacrifice them though, and Im not sure how well that fits in with the devs game design currently, but at least it would provide a gameplay loop to grow more dragons.