#New Elder System
pliant yoke
maybe we have to shoot at smth?
novel oak
i tried befriending bugs, they didnt accept friendship
robust crypt
I will shoot the weird blue light if/when I see it again
NGL I actually had a dream about doing that a couple nights ago 🤣
novel oak
wolfy the prophet
robust crypt
Only one way to find out!.... Tomorrow, probably. It's like 1AM I ain't booting up the game LOL
pliant yoke
Only one way to find out!.... Tomorrow, probably. It's like 1AM I ain't booting ...
ngl id
its weekend, thats what weekends are for
robust crypt
robust crypt
Knowing the way my brain works, I'd hyperfocus to the point the sun rises and completely wreck my sleep schedule if I tried now LMAO
native yacht
@burnt sphinx ooh you're here
i highly recommend playing on max settings now for this search... i didnt know the fallen big tree glowed
inside of it
jsut reached adult ASD at 0.0%
doing some testing with this fallen big tree
robust crypt
I believe you can also get that same/similar glow in a lot of the caves, too
At least, it's what I've always seen in all the caves I've entered with Max settings
pliant yoke
i highly recommend playing on max settings now for this search... i didnt know t...
wait does it?
native yacht
i feel like some of the game effects might be seen more .... clear ya know
i didnt know the fallen tree glowed
normal ledge
That glow is a bug btw, it's getting fixed in the next hotfix
normal ledge
It makes it very hard to hide on pvp servers, since it happens in all shadowy areas
native yacht
why are you hiding on a pvp server? fight to the death.
investigating something..someone found a portal
pliant yoke
bold tusk
Things to ask Jao when he appears again:
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Is eldering Map related or Client?
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Is it different per species, or is everyone doing the same things especially DLCs? (ASD)
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Is it an NPC?
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Is it a button?
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Is it a specific place?
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Do we need to eat/drink something?
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Emote related? - NOT DLC
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is it collectable?
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is getting elder the first step?
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ping me for more of the list so people can look when he comes back
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jao if you read this. Idk if you have ingame active hints for those who want to elder, but instead of changing it. It would be amazing if you could just add a hint function instead of changing it u less you truly think it needs to be changed. Because it could be a really good system but there is no direction for anyone to go off of. Sure it shouldn't be easy but just giving my thoughts
bold tusk
asdASdasndjasnhddsfZSDFSADFZSDFHJASZDEFHKJLSDHFJLKBSDGFn
omg xDDD
native yacht
sorry for getting your hopes up guys
bold tusk
all good
pliant yoke
Things to ask Jao when he appears again:
- Is eldering Map related or Client?
- ...
Is it collectable?
Tbh i think he'll never appear again in this channel
pliant yoke
Does @compact berry know how to elder?
native yacht
nope
compact berry
native yacht
pliant yoke
native yacht
gotta pray to the crystal gods before I log..ya never know
pulsar swift
Does <@161803056177086464> know how to elder?
None of the mods or admins know. Only Jao to our knowledge, possibly other devs. Echo (map dev) dont know tho
pulsar swift
Well he dont seem to know. And its quite easily possible he really dont know cause Jao did it in secret
It may not even be map related
native yacht
calling it a night. I was able to grow an adult ASD and travel around with an elder ASD (Zero) and nothing. he figure maybe an elder grouped would produce more ticks (more than norm 3.1%) but we yielded nothing on our journey.
ima go cry my self to sleep.
night gents
we also tried emoting at each other while aiming and nothing
we tried the fallen big tree
nothing
@compact berry can you sing me a bedtime lullaby 🥺
compact berry
No
native yacht
devout kettle
Things to ask Jao when he appears again:
- Is eldering Map related or Client?
- ...
Idk if this helps but here are the hints we have
(some of them)
round flint
Has anyone tried combat based steps? ie, killing one of each species with out logging off?
Or killing a dragon their existing dragon is weak to?
Ensuring you've gotten your first flight done too
turbid copper
Has anyone tried combat based steps? ie, killing one of each species with out lo...
Look at the screenshot above 
round prism
does this mean anything to the eldering system?
devout kettle
Huh
round flint
Look at the screenshot above <:FeelsOkayMan:1012740741275070495>
Literally read everything except the PVP part, eyes glossed right over it 🤦 I was literally going throught he list and came to that conclusion
rough root
So, what are you currently trying?
pulsar swift
Saying you may be onto something but not saying what means you're not onto something 
Even if you do manage a tick, if its not reproduceable its moot
devout kettle
does this mean anything to the eldering system?
Ngl I can't even figure out what this is lmao
devout kettle
Yup
tall fossil
i think eldering has to do with ticks and/ or point in mutations
i refuse to believe its bugs, at least for the unlock method
devout kettle
I bloody hope not
thick totem
has anyone tried putting all points in survivor? might show something we otherwise cant see
tall fossil
i usually play without putting points into anything (cuz im crazy like that)
thick totem
youre just that good at the game
if you have any dragons with 3 points available and dotn mind it try putting them into scavenger and see if you can find anything
tall fossil
i really doubt its anything you can scent
thick totem
i did have some friends talk about them seeing a "golden scent" in elder forest at one point. it disappeared shortly after tho
devout kettle
has anyone tried putting all points in survivor? might show something we otherwi...
Survivor??
D'you mean scav?
tall fossil
probably
thick totem
ye scav and if you have enough growth survivor aswell
devout kettle
Growth survivor????
I feel like I'm missing something but I always run 3/3 scav and haven't noticed anything
thick totem
probably not anything to do with that then
tall fossil
maybe lets look at the hints again and think what could we put in them so the whole message will have logical sense
“If you want to elder then you must ||REDACTED|| ||REDACTED|| ||REDACTED||”
“So guys you have to ||REDACTED|| ||REDACTED|| ||REDACTED||. Then obviously you must go to ||REDACTED|| to get ||REDACTED||”
“If you want to elder then you must REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED”
“So guys you have to GROW TO ADULT. Then obviously you must go to REDACTED to get REDACTED” ???
balmy moss
"so guys you have to bake the potatoes. Then obviously you must go to wal'mart to get sour cream."
tall fossil
yeah i like yours better actually
balmy moss
its natural
tall fossil
its dragony and grindy
thick totem
put that together with that it needs to be able to be done solo, without pvp and without nesting
tall fossil
i would argue that it involves pvp as you need to go to work to get money
rough root
By the by. This is the size diference between a big and small bug.
thick totem
it could have something to do with a hatchling. they said take the first step, and most peopel just sit by water and eat bugs while hatchie. so there could be something about that.
royal sundial
Maybe making a babie fly?
tall fossil
also whats with the 'quality of life"
thick totem
Maybe making a babie fly?
ive dropped babies several times. even one from above the skies. so probably not it
thick totem
also whats with the 'quality of life"
no idea. im guessing its probably something to do with when different biomes come out
tall fossil
also "First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become" gives so much -need to get elder to unlock active eldering vibes- ehhhh
royal sundial
But apparently that's not it
Since he said nobody has taken the first step yet and people have already gotten to elder
tall fossil
if you look at this conversation it looks like the first step has to do with quality of life
thick totem
i think this is just about bug fixes beign QoL fixes
and only the first message from super rhino is actually abt eldering
royal sundial
That makes it even more confusing
pliant yoke
Btw who assumed it wasnt map related?
It must be map related cus else itd be passive eldering and a bio would be able to do it
pliant yoke
Yes but its said bio cant do first step
pliant yoke
If it isnt map related it isnt active eldering is it??
By map related i mean has to be done on the map
tall fossil
anyone seen this before?
compact berry
yes, it has nothing to do with eldering
restive granite
vale mortar
Since he said nobody has taken the first step yet and people have already gotten...
He said he wasn't sure, and I doubt he keeps up with anyone's elder progression xD
pliant yoke
yes, it has nothing to do with eldering <:haha:819409514360078336>
nah pretty sure it has smth to do w eldering
balmy moss
pliant yoke
stuck minnow
Bio has all 7 mutation points. Who's to say it's not already elder? 😮
Has anyone tried drinking from every water source in one session?
balmy moss
pliant yoke
Has anyone tried drinking from every water source in one session?
i think someone already tried yes.
stuck minnow
Dang, can't open the pinned things on mobile (I'm just tech illiterate) so I figured I'd ask before I went and did it myself
stuck minnow
How many dirty water sources are there?
tardy perch
Water sources are campable so it can't be that
chrome yarrow
off the wall idea: has anyone tried not applying any mutation points?
dense current
Ive definitely forgotten to apply points. But never thoroughly tested anything without points
dense current
Anything is worth a shot rn xD
balmy moss
Question what's the egg icon in the I menu? Related?
chrome yarrow
egg crafting? it was not greyed out on the test server but i dont know what it does...it was just a blank page
tall fossil
I think it will be when nesting update comes out
tall fossil
off the wall idea: has anyone tried not applying any mutation points?
As i stated above i often play without points
tardy perch
I actually plan to not put any mutations points on. Still haven't on my road to eldering
proper patio
Water sources are campable so it can't be that
Are they though? Sure you can sit by them but it's not like you can take it from someone or prevent them from using a water source
tardy perch
Well in PVP you can prevent them by you know...killing them XD
stuck minnow
Yea. There are multiple diff locations, but I see where your coming from.
It's just weird that the three shiny waters don't show up as water sources when sniffing near them
balmy moss
Ground is campable too! Poor asd
stuck minnow
Well, where else would you go camping?! The sky?! /J /lh
rapid radish
calling it a night. I was able to grow an adult ASD and travel around with an el...
@rough root Something to add to the doc ^^
heavy ridge
Yea. There are multiple diff locations, but I see where your coming from.
It's...
There's some water sources that are only sniffable by hatchlings. Everything is drinkable by everyone after 1.0, but "hatchie ponds" are now only sniffable by hatchlings.
balmy moss
Hmm interesting
rapid belfry
Jesus yall been at this all morning
heavy ridge
The sun never sets on the New Elder System chat
rapid belfry
True
Really wish Jao would appear again
Its a day before the hotfix and nothing
I have a feeling we aren’t gonna be waiting too long after the hotfix for blit
Certainly not another 10 days
(Thats been the amount between hotfixes so far)
rapid radish
The sun never sets on the New Elder System chat
hey welcome back, you were away for a while ^^
heavy ridge
Thanks! ||I got bapped for naughty words for 3 days, but I'm back now!||
rapid belfry
Wowww
rapid radish
That's what I thought happened, so I wasn't worried ;p
heavy ridge
||your favorite Gremlin has a potty mouth and forgot which words weren't acceptable|| XD
bold tusk
Idk if this helps but here are the hints we have
Ik the hints just displaying some good questions for people to ask 🙂
pliant yoke
will he change eldering system w next hotfix?
devout kettle
Ik the hints just displaying some good questions for people to ask 🙂
Ahh okay
Ngl I saw a ping and got really hyped 😔
heavy ridge
will he change eldering system w next hotfix?
No, but he was considering changing the system (and telling us the previous one) if no one figured it out before the Blitz release
pliant yoke
@devout kettle yea that sucks
devout kettle
<@861312541472325644> yea that sucks
Go eat a biolumi
summer arch
Bio has all 7 mutation points. Who's to say it's not already elder? 😮
The devs lmao
fading canyon
if you look at this conversation it looks like the first step has to do with qua...
Reading through everything after waking up, But im pretty positive he was saying that the bugs are Quality of life, since hes responding to someone was asking if bugs were counted as content or a fix
worthy python
No, but he was considering changing the system (and telling us the previous one)...
if he changes it im geussing he still wont tell how to do the new system?
fading canyon
if he changes it im geussing he still wont tell how to do the new system?
More than likely
Though i would hope that he at least is actually giving hints and pushing us in the right direction if he does change it
slender arrow
Someone in our clan back in legacy elder there FS in 29 hours lol 😂
You don’t kill your elder for elementals you sacrifice it to become one so IF your elder dying unlocks the ability for you to elder how it’s intended then it’s possible ..then again he said it wasn’t a PvP thing and the only way to die in pve would be letting a bug kill you after you lose all your hp so I don’t think it’s having your elder die but you never know till you try lol
slender arrow
Things to ask Jao when he appears again:
- Is eldering Map related or Client?
- ...
Ask him if getting to elder is the first step
worthy python
alot of people dont even belive there is a active eldering process in the game rn
and the fast that only Jao knows it is kinda suspicouus
balmy moss
Not the first time that theory has been brought up, nor the healthiest.
fading canyon
I know a lot of ppl wont agree with this, but i truthfully think that if we want jao to continue giving hints, or dropping in here at all, we need to steer away from talking poorly about him, im pretty sure the whole reason he stays away from gen chat is because ppl continuously talk smack about how hes lying about stuff, and among other things. And that can suck, i believe that active eldering is in the game so im holding onto that faith
sorry was in a game so couldnt finish typing, But i think were only hurting ourselves by continuously pointing out how we dont think its in the game, pointing it out doesnt serve much purpose besides creating doubt and negativity, as well as potentially pushing jao out of helping us at all
rough root
Thankfully the majority of the people who do take part in this are people who have so far been very supportive. Only once in a while do we get a little 'bad egg' in here.
fading canyon
There was definitely a lot of doubt here in the beginning, but im glad a lot of ppl have stopped talking that way
rough root
And of course the usual. I'm glad that we got the majority actually looking into things instead of going "Nah it aint in yet"
Oh for sure!
fading canyon
And of course the usual. I'm glad that we got the majority actually looking into...
Absolutely XD
compact reef
I've been at it everyday reading, testing/testing my own ideas nothing yet but if I do this chat will be first to know
balmy moss
Me toooo!
crosses fingers behind his back
pliant ice
Become too tired to keep testing methods ngl but rooting for y'all! 💪
native yacht
im thinking maybe play on somewhat of a higher setting, things tend to pop more or effects are more seen... maybe that is the quality of life hint he was speaking of.
And I wouldn't get confused by the word play. Eldering is not what we are looking for, we're looking for the method to eldering.
viral lark
I'm not one to be super negative about things like this but this...
NGL, the hunt for elder seems to be more of a drain than than the potential reward. If the first step is this obscure, I have worries about the whole process in general
barren cave
I'm not one to be super negative about things like this but this...
NGL, the hu...
I mean, i feel like everyone in here has been on the same page on this for a while now x)
viral lark
The fact that its looking like some folks will passive tick before the solution is found is kinda disheartening and I don't think its a bad thing to have a challenge but I feel like the bar has been set so high no one can see it right now
barren cave
It's pretty safe to say hints and secret use in games is not Jao's strong suit
But we'll find the way eventually, whether it's the current system or a new one. It is his first game too after all, so personally im not really holding it against him. Just my 2 cents
viral lark
I think at this point we just need a really solid clue and maybe some more confirmations on what is and isn't related to it
barren cave
Oh for sure 😄
native yacht
im pretty sure it's his first official game. Maybe he created smaller games to play with game mechanics before
at least..thats what I did with unity, UE4, UE5 and the blendergame engine back in the days
barren cave
Maybe, i just felt like i needed to say it, because i feel like people can be a bit too harsh on him. This search has become pretty frustrating tho, so it's not like i don't understand
viral lark
Its a learning curve, both for the players and the developer(s)
chrome yarrow
the only thing i can think of right now is the "it's endgame" clue and how it might pertain to when you get kicked from a server due to ping or what not you get a message about how the council of elders have kicked you from the world effectively ending your game so to speak but i realise that this is most likely not what we're looking for
bold tusk
#1209681807746801724 message
linking this just so it wont get lost
turbid copper
im thinking maybe play on somewhat of a higher setting, things tend to pop more ...
Quality of life wasn’t about this
native yacht
what was quality of life about then? did he specified?
turbid copper
Someone asked about bugs and stuff
native yacht
did he confirm?
turbid copper
There’s a screenshot I believe if you scroll a bit
turbid copper
if you look at this conversation it looks like the first step has to do with qua...
Here
native yacht
so QoL was about bugs?
restive barn
QoL don’t have anything to do with eldering, it usually means improving game mechanics, adding new stuff to improve the game.
turbid copper
Yeah
tall fossil
I feel like its something very simple considering we couldnt even find the methos to unlock mela and it was to just nest 2 iconic and grow
Were overcomplicating it
pliant yoke
Well he says its smth most likely no one has done yet.
And he says he wants it to be endgame so it cant be that easy
compact reef
it takes roughly 2 weeks to get 25% in elder ticks on every dragon that can elder maybe obtain that on each dragon or 3 since asd is dlc but can still count not sure if someone has 25% on each dragon yet on one server
lime viper
Get an elder by passive ticks, kill it BOOM active eldering unlocked for your account now you can look for it 
compact reef
thats 40 days on ss aint no way lol
pliant yoke
Get an elder by passive ticks, kill it BOOM active eldering unlocked for your ac...
Well that could be it cus he said most likely no one has done it yet
tardy perch
We'll know if that's it when me and few others get ot elder. We specifically plan to let them die, just to see if the next adult we grow of that species finds something new
pliant yoke
But thatd mean its passive eldering
tardy perch
I have a strong hunch that because those who AHVE gotten elder haven't noticed anything off yet, that it's probably per species.
Because they haven't let their elder die yet
compact reef
they havent noticed anything because they never did first step
fading canyon
It would kind of suck though if you had to individually passive each species to unlock elder for that species
Maybe theres something we need to do Before sacrificing the elders?
mint tulip
good luck getting to elder as ir that way
tardy perch
Well you'd only need to do that once. It's the 'first step to unlocking the other method. Meaning ocne you unlock it, that species now can just elder using the faster method
mint tulip
i can't even get to juvie without someone killing me
fading canyon
Yeah that would suck for pvp players
mint tulip
already nearly 25 on my asd though soooo eh
fading canyon
we play DvE so passive eldering isnt terrible, but i can understand how that would suck for the pvpers
compact reef
it cant be that it has to be achievable across servers
fading canyon
I mean it is technically achievable across servers
It would just be stupid frustrating for pvpers
mint tulip
it cant be that it has to be achievable across servers
it is harder to elder in pvp cause everyone can kill you
especially with hatchie killers
fading canyon
And large clans
mint tulip
I only have adult asd and biolumin
and one of these things can't elder
that being said holy hell are bio's fast
fading canyon
^^^ i bet its really nice though being that fast in pvp servers though 😓
rapid belfry
bios are made to scout
compact reef
imagine your 30 days into elder ticks and get waxed it just sounds like torture but it hasnt been done yet so who knows i hope its not
mint tulip
i can run faster then most and then dive into a water and swim away
fading canyon
I do think that pvp server are typically favored in updates, so i would assume its probably not what we think it is
At least to me it makes sense if jao looked at it from a point of view of "would this be too hard for pvp players" and then built off of that
mint tulip
i do want to hop on pve but there isn't enough content for me to consider it
compact reef
I think its a feature that's already been in the game just reworked a little for eldering I just don't know what also wondering if torpor is involved
fading canyon
Thats fair, I definitely recommend DvE though once the elementals are out, So you still get pvp just not Dragons vs Dragons
fading canyon
I think its a feature that's already been in the game just reworked a little for...
Its totally possible, I think its possible there could be a whole new mechanic involved as well too
compact reef
true just what is it fnjaljdfgjkabjfdkalbj
heavy ridge
Thats fair, I definitely recommend DvE though once the elementals are out, So yo...
I do see a general sentiment of likes-combat, dislikes pvp-server culture in there, it's nice.
lime viper
I will literally cry if it is passive tick to elder > die > now you can actively do it
That would be hell in PvP and no fun
heavy ridge
.
That a bio physically can't do the unlocking step, and we know Jao wanted ~less elders in a population (same deal with the rare skins being everywhere)
[And that he thought we could figure it out in 2 weeks]
He doesn't think any of us has unlocked it yet,
I really do think it's that we do something at the time of a passive tick, maybe several somethings.
But it's very very unlikely to involve full eldering.
I support the effort, for science. But pretty sure it's... not that.
compact reef
I think jao is smart enough to think it through so it cant be that imo
heavy ridge
once it's unlocked, fair game for whatever the mechanic is, for Jao to be assured that we haven't completed the unlocking step, the actual eldering must be pretty easy to stumble over.
balmy moss
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That a bio physically can't do the unlocking step, and we know Jao wanted ~les...
Maybe we need to collect 9 bugs, like dragon ball?
Dragons do be hoarding
chrome yarrow
anyone think we might have to do whatever it is BEFORE the first elder tick?
rapid belfry
th-theres 7 dragon balls
balmy moss
th-theres 7 dragon balls
Its been like 20 years since I watched give me a break lol
heavy ridge
Isn't there 17?
compact reef
anyone think we might have to do whatever it is BEFORE the first elder tick?
Ive wondered that and tried to find something but always end up eventually getting a tick
viral lark
Clearly we need to have our dragons nearly dying to toxins from eating too many mushrooms and sleep under/by the correct crystal 
(I'm kidding by the way)
rapid belfry
guys we obviously need to unlock all the ancient tree puzzles come on
chrome yarrow
dont forget namekian dragon balls.
rapid belfry
we need to find all the devil fruits 
heavy ridge
Isn't there 17?
(Im kidding, I've never seen it, I am in no way knowledgeable in Dragon Ball lore)
balmy moss
This is turning into "legends of the hidden temple."
compact reef
we need to find all the devil fruits <:laugh:857107091759562752>
no better the one piece
chrome yarrow
speaking of ancient trees im sitting by the big sequoia will the shadow comes around to the rock out crop nearby...just to see
viral lark
We're becoming wall hitters
chrome yarrow
its like a sundial
rapid belfry
can this chat now just be thinking up the stupidest ways to find eldering
please
this is too funny
we've exhausted our logical searching. time to become unlogical searchers
balmy moss
GUTS! DO YOU HAVE IT!
upbeat igloo
Clearly you need to find a dragon eye to see through to find the eldering path 
rapid belfry
i impose. we all sit around the bottom of th ebig tree and 6 call on fs.
chrome yarrow
any minute now
finite basin
has anyone tried 1 calling to every tree in the map lmfaoo
rapid belfry
nah we gotta twerk on every rock
compact reef
I have
compact reef
Ive tried flying to each in 1 go as well
in different orders
even gave it a special dance no response
chrome yarrow
from smallest to biggest?
compact reef
no mor like start from one do a circle lol
chrome yarrow
what about a star pattern?
compact reef
Ive looked havent seen one
balmy moss
Star pattern? The darn moon takes up half the screen. But maybe
compact reef
also made my dragon stare intensely at the giant moon for like 30 or 45 mins
chrome yarrow
nah i meant fly between the trees in a star pattern...i was just kidding though its not important
balmy moss
also made my dragon stare intensely at the giant moon for like 30 or 45 mins
Clefairy
heavy ridge
Fully understanding current objective, just for the people coming in while we're driving up missed messages:
So, from a coding perspective? Echo (map designer) said they hadn't been involved in the eldering process at all
So any serious ideas that involve an area that echo would have had to add in an area trigger (such as in a cave, under a tree, etc) isn't it.
Things like "x distance from [AI]", "virtical cord greater than y", "wet condition", that's fair game.
Right now? Right now we're spitballing bad ideas because good ideas aren't working.
rapid belfry
guys i totally found out how to elder heres the steps
- go to the waterfalls and 6 call at them on an fs.
- do 23 circles around the big tree while typing "beawesome" in chat after each one
- eat exactly 39 boss bugs in one growth cycle.
- Dunk, sorry- BAPTIZE a hatchie exactly 68 times in the water at BR
- Attempt to eat the world border
- Start a ravenous twerking party in the cave at BR
- Die from bio toxins invading your body
- Nest in Nicholas Jao Cage (Jao is nicholas cage confirmed??????????)
- Smash into pride rock atleast 5 times in a single flight witout hitting the ground
upbeat igloo
But isn’t the “moon” the elementals home planet? (Or something like that)
balmy moss
But isn’t the “moon” the elementals home planet? (Or something like that)
Nonono you're thinking of clefairies
chrome yarrow
do they have gender?
rapid belfry
i don't know
chrome yarrow
the rocks...not the clefairies
rapid belfry
LOL
balmy moss
But moon rocks
rapid belfry
guys more ideas
compact reef
yeah ones got boulders the other doesnt
upbeat igloo
yeah ones got boulders the other doesnt
PFFFF
rapid belfry
fly through ravine and dunk yourself into sinkhole afterwards
chrome yarrow
HA! boulders...
rapid belfry
fly through ravine and hit the wall as many times as possible
heavy ridge
Fall asleep mid-air!
rapid belfry
succ exactly 100 flowers as a bio
balmy moss
If elementals feed off dragons can't dragons feed off elementals? Has anyone see random rocks
heavy ridge
drink lava
balmy moss
Pop rocks
chrome yarrow
BuT BiO CaNt ElDeR
balmy moss
heavy ridge
Bio also can't drink lava!
chrome yarrow
i would...if i HAD any
rapid belfry
i feel like jao is just gonna pop in and be like "alright heres a pity hint yall are going insane"
balmy moss
Dinklebergs
chrome yarrow
ty smif!
rapid belfry
lord pray savior jao please give us anothe rhint
please lord and savior i summon thee
heavy ridge
be the Jao
balmy moss
This is castaway and we are tom hanks and jao is wilson
pliant yoke
Can jao pls finally appear
compact reef
we need to just sacrifice dragons to summon thee
chrome yarrow
me thinks we wont hear from jao till he new hotfix at least
rapid belfry
or /jrahkon
balmy moss
No pls don't do that
rapid belfry
so tomorrow
compact reef
no let him work XD
rapid belfry
we get answers tomorrow
pliant yoke
We need jao now
rapid belfry
it takes two minutes to come type a hint
balmy moss
Let him cook
rapid belfry
like actually 2 minutes
heavy ridge
it takes two minutes to come type a hint
But 5 hours to think of a good one.
rapid belfry
nah father jao is smart
balmy moss
2 minutes in chat would be enough for anyone to lose their minds in this thread
rapid belfry
bro accurate
balmy moss
But moon rocks
pliant yoke
We need jao
rapid belfry
i bet
we do need jao but asking for god to come down to earth dont work so
bro my brain hurtie
pliant yoke
Hope always dies last
rapid belfry
i hope we atleast get something tomorrow...
balmy moss
Maybe we just need to say uncle
pliant yoke
uncle
rapid belfry
uuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnncccccccccllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeee
pliant yoke
uuuncle jao
balmy moss
.... has anyone done /unlockelder ingame....
rapid belfry
oh my god
compact reef
i have XD
balmy moss
IT BETTER NOT BE
chrome yarrow
invalid command!
rapid belfry
IF THATS IT
chrome yarrow
i just tried
rapid belfry
I WOULD HAVE THROWN MY GAMER SUPPS ACROSS THE ROOM
compact reef
tried /hibernate /elder /hidden /quest /love me
pliant yoke
/unlock_elder
balmy moss
Gotta think outside the box
pliant yoke
/elderunlock
heavy ridge
chrome yarrow
/beawesome
pliant yoke
/clue
balmy moss
Not overthink it just outside
compact reef
/HINT
pliant ice
/bigsize
chrome yarrow
/plsjustfkkngiveittomeyouknowyouwanna
rapid belfry
/BIGBOYO
pliant ice
/extracool
pliant yoke
/big
rapid belfry
/PAPI JAO HELP
pliant yoke
/uncle jao we need help
rapid belfry
if any of the mods are watching this you are not allowed to tattle that were going insane
rapid belfry
us rn
pliant yoke
I bet we're really close already guys!
rapid belfry
us on step 1 still
balmy moss
Let us cook. It's a method
rapid belfry
maybe theres a method to our madness
pliant ice
Maybe going mad is the first step
compact reef
*us on step 1 still*
NO WE HAVENT FOUND IT YET LOL
rapid belfry
koombayah
pliant yoke
*us on step 1 still*
We are on step 0 but lets act like we're already rlly close
heavy ridge
Oooooooooooo
compact reef
hakuna matata
pliant yoke
Has anyone ever tried reading the dod code???
rapid belfry
bro i own the game now is what you are saying
chrome yarrow
youd need the source to do anything subsurface level
rapid belfry
alright to elder type /poop
pliant yoke
Wait i got an idea
pliant ice
/redacted
heavy ridge
Guys, guys, we need to come up with our own hints
What's the most cryptic thing you can come up with?!
pliant yoke
Try /redacted
pliant ice
Uh.. if you buy clothes ay the soup store, you might run into george
rapid belfry
true true
pliant yoke
Guys, guys, **we need to come up with our own hints**
What's the most cryptic t...
Whats cryptic again
chrome yarrow
just tried redacted...invalid command!
rapid belfry
true
pliant ice
Crazy? I was crazy once
chrome yarrow
it had rubber dragons!
tardy perch
Where are people getting the idea that something is coming tomorrow?
pliant yoke
An elder room with no clues
compact reef
dang just relized bio can use / commands so it cant be that
upbeat igloo
Ngl, watching this chat is like watching a bunch of crazies in an asylum or something
heavy ridge
It smelled of rose bushes
balmy moss
Has anyone tried /help recently?
pliant yoke
Didn't patch notes say yellow lines mean clues? Should be on the map then
rapid belfry
nah they mean nests
muted moat
we have all lost it now huh?
pliant yoke
But maybe it are clues that appear after u made the first step
chrome yarrow
Didn't patch notes say yellow lines mean clues? Should be on the map then
i think those notes were from 2021
pliant yoke
nah they mean nests
Some patch notes recently said yellow lines are nests and clues
muted moat
Didn't patch notes say yellow lines mean clues? Should be on the map then
i went on a yellow line mission this morning
and not a thing
pliant yoke
Alr
chrome yarrow
same..i went many places
hard dome
pliant yoke
Ngl i flew across the whole map so many times, i havent found a single thing
Also i think its smth thats on every map since we might even get mod maps and more maps in general
compact reef
Ive been running accross lately as ss
rapid belfry
pliant yoke
Its most likely not even rlly map related cus echo has no idea aswell
compact reef
found a tiny cave with yellow fire flies i hadnt seen before so that was cool i guess
heavy ridge
What about eating while wet?
compact reef
I do it in hopes of something just spawns in front of me lol randomly
pliant yoke
What about eating while wet?
Cant believe u think thatd actually work
chrome yarrow
pliant yoke
We actually going insane fr
heavy ridge
Cant believe u think thatd actually work
balmy moss
Ok have we tried doing stuff with the charged attack. Like for ss you can hold it and make its spikes glow
pliant yoke
We need jao rn
muted moat
We actually going insane fr
hard dome
eldering is a social experiment hosted by the government
pliant yoke
Jao said bio cant do first step
And its most likely not map related
tardy perch
lol all these gifs are killing me XD
rapid belfry
pliant yoke
Jao said bio cant do first step
And its most likely not map related
That means we have to elder a dragon first to unlock more sounds the most logical
chrome yarrow
compact reef
honestly i just want jao to add keybinds for tricks lol I wanna do flips and rolls in the sky
heavy ridge
That means we have to elder a dragon first to unlock more sounds the most logica...
2 week time limit, my vote is still on partial elder
pliant yoke
Isnt there a way we can read the DoDs code w?
chrome yarrow
not unless you can get your hands on the source code, which isnt public to my knowledge
pliant ice
rapid belfry
heavy ridge
Isnt there a way we can read the DoDs code w?
If you want to magivcly un-re-compile an encrypted software with no hints, be my guest ❤️
pliant yoke
Nothing is impossible
pliant yoke
Nothing is impossible
Except for finding the other method to elder
balmy moss
Hello, it's the wall that you're all stuck at
compact reef
Hello, it's the wall that you're all stuck at
someday you will fall
pliant yoke
I bet its easier to enter a military base without a single shot than finding out how to elder
balmy moss
Bio hint scares me more everyday
pliant yoke
I bet its easier to enter a military base without a single shot than finding out...
Even entering area 51 is easier
pliant yoke
?
rapid belfry
perfecct
pliant yoke
?
rapid belfry
my name
chrome yarrow
pliant yoke
Where's jao
tardy perch
Most likely coding his game XD
pliant yoke
While driving us insane
tardy perch
lol I assure you that probably isn't his intention XD The playbase was also like this back when we still were trying to figure out mela unlock. He'll put us out of our misery soon enough. I'm tryign to convince him as a tester to NOt change it either, because gosh we don't need that honestly XD We'll ask for changed when we know what it is
chrome yarrow
honestly im just having fun trying crazy theories
novel oak
even if he does change it, at least we will have a example of the type of process he puts
pliant yoke
lol I assure you that probably isn't his intention XD The playbase was also like...
Wait, do yk the method?
heavy ridge
even if he does change it, at least we will have a example of the type of proces...
I mean, knowing Mela was "grow a nested Iconic to adulthood in one session"
We're kinda [word that will get me bapped]
It'll definitely be some sort of twisty conditional
heavy ridge
It's why I'm pushing the [do weird thing] while passive tick goes off method for unlocking
heavy ridge
anyone tried growing a mela in one session?
I was going to say I did that, but I did that as a bio so XD
pliant yoke
anyone tried growing a mela in one session?
Bio can do that
tardy perch
Wait, do yk the method?
No, I do not know the method. I may be a tester but he's not even told us it either
pliant yoke
He said first step cannot be completed by a bio
What if he meant it literally when he said 'elder ladder'?
balmy moss
Muhahaha
pliant yoke
chrome yarrow
i havnt seen any ladders
pliant yoke
Maybe its a tree or smth
chrome yarrow
unles he meant tournament ladder which you kind of get when you look at your lineage, but he also said it has nothing to do with nesting so IDK
pliant yoke
And again.. i dont think its map related
chrome yarrow
i mean jsut beacause one guy says he wasnt involved in it doesnt mean jao didnt so it himself...
gosh im bad at typing
chrome yarrow
XD
pliant yoke
pliant yoke
i mean jsut beacause one guy says he wasnt involved in it doesnt mean jao didnt ...
Btw we'll have multiple maps maybe even mod maps thats why i think it isnt map related
heavy ridge
i mean jsut beacause one guy says he wasnt involved in it doesnt mean jao didnt ...
They don't have a settup where multiple people can edit the same map file.
Either they passed it back and forth, and risked Echo breaking it by keeping it secret, or it was definitely not map related
balmy moss
Does anything happen when bio holds a charged attack?
heavy ridge
Doesn't work, they can't charge
chrome yarrow
no it just spits
balmy moss
Ss glows
pliant yoke
Leave this chat brick wall
balmy moss
Nu
heavy ridge
we must banish the wall
balmy moss
What if the brick wall figures it out? Lol
pliant yoke
He's hiding smth
chrome yarrow
its like...talking to a brick wall
balmy moss
Tbh. I don't know anything right now
pliant yoke
You hiding it behind ur wall
balmy moss
But when I do ill give hints
chrome yarrow
gib...gib hint
balmy moss
I dont know the system. Honestly
rapid radish
Our daily Princess 💜
rapid belfry
AWEEEEEEE
PRETTY
but you know what would look even better in a tutu
THE ELER METHOD
ELDER
rapid radish
xDDDDDDDDD
chrome yarrow
anyone try setting their age on steam to geriatric?
heavy ridge
I think that's how you make use of the lifespan stat if you know what i mean
fading canyon
I do see a general sentiment of likes-combat, dislikes pvp-server culture in the...
^^^ though not a lot of ppl in jarkhon currently
heavy ridge
^^^ though not a lot of ppl in jarkhon currently
what few of us there are, following the initial frenzy
fading canyon
True 
I hope more ppl join once blitz is out, i cannot wait to hear the elder noises on that boi
heavy ridge
True <:laughinghard:1062374963157413918> I hope more ppl join once blitz is out,...
I'm going to re-scout the map on that danger noodle and by jolly I just might be the first elder blitz on that server
fading canyon
0-0 I salute thee 🫡
chrome yarrow
i CANNOT wait for baba snek
rough root
Hello, it's the wall that you're all stuck at
Dangit Smiff. Actually had me wheeze.
balmy moss
Heh
muted moat
heavy ridge
My condolences for everyone who has to catch up through that
somber shuttle
I’m scared to even try to catch up 😂 I just got off work and my brain is soup
sly cedar
So it's still a mystery right?
faint tendon
Catching up is, sadly, quite easy.. Lots of theories tested. Lots of possiblities eliminated. Couple of unhelpfully vague clues from devs. Mystery remains a mystery.
robust crypt
Welp, I figured out what the blue orb is. It's nothing to do with eldering and is, infact, a visual glitch.
I can get it to consistently show up if I sniff when near a sniffable object (live bug, bug corpse). Sniffing and then turning your camera when the scent lines disappear triggers the "blue orb" to appear.
@native yacht pinging you since we were discussing the elusive "blue orb" I periodically saw last night
sly cedar
Catching up is, sadly, quite easy.. Lots of theories tested. Lots of possiblitie...
I haven't really stayed with this chat for the last work week lol. I didn't feel like reading it all. So thank you for sparing my lazy butt the journey. Carry on!
faint tendon
Definitely not keeping up with this chat 100% myself either, but i tune in and at least get a general grasp of what's going on... Lots of it is theory crafting, particularly around the vague comments from devs. Both outlandish and pragmatic... Part of it is nailing down whether apparent bugs/glitches might be something more. Like the "orbs" thing... Lots and lots of memeing
balmy moss
I know I'm a broken record here, but "spawning in" still sounds interesting to me. Not nesting in.
robust crypt
The orbs was something I've been trying to figure out and capture on recording since I've seen them, they're easiest to see in dark areas it seems and are triggered via sniffing
Gonna try and trigger them some more in different areas before I clip my recordings
balmy moss
I know I'm a broken record here, but "spawning in" still sounds interesting to m...
Literally "first step." Bio can't do it cause elder and its locked behind ks... it's just acouple things line up.
But thats as far as I've gotten, cause I can't think of anything else to continue this process that I like
balmy moss
But thats as far as I've gotten, cause I can't think of anything else to continu...
Annddd. If we really want to take it literally. Now I know we assume just in general, jao is saying we don't need to make hatchlings or stats... but if we apply this to starting on the server...
Just some thoughts I've been thinking the last few days.
But if this is part of the first step.. what do we need to do to complete it?
And I bet you not alot of people have spawned dragons. Cause alot of people are just focusing on nesting to upstat or hop nests for skins.
Anyways it's bedtime for me. Anyone feel free to poke around this theory.
rapid radish
But if the first step is "spawning in", then you couldn't ever elder anything else than E BQ and I don't think that's how it is gonna work, bc you need the elder to get the 18A
heavy ridge
And I bet you not alot of people have spawned dragons. Cause alot of people are ...
I've got a full roster on Jrahkon, 3/5 of them are spawn, the IR just came over 10% the other night, if I see anything weird, this chat will of course be the first to know, but you might be barking up the wrong tree with that one.
I'll admit, it absolutely was that no one nested iconics in legacy that was part of why the mela unlock discovery took 3 months
So it's worth trying, but not the method on it's own.
minor hinge
i Kown it not get 18A
Or is like day of dragons alpha no elder or stats at that point Just to stay alive
native yacht
we have to do something to activate eldering....
native yacht
<@449799652162928650> pinging you since we were discussing the elusive "blue orb...
roger, thank you for the update
can someone explain to me something... to get mela you had to choose iconic start and grow 1 full game session or you had to be nested in as an iconic?
soo you could have choosen iconic from the start menu?
heavy ridge
soo you could have choosen iconic from the start menu?
In legacy, it was nested only, currently spawn iconic works. Just have to grow it in one session
And apparently also the glitched-iconic skins atm
heavy ridge
A good attempt, but we have tried growing in one session and flying to the clouds multiple times. ❤️ you're doing good Sour.
native yacht
with all the hints, it sounds like we must do something to activate eldering
heavy ridge
That is a good point. There may be steps that happen before you hit adulthood. But we are limited in what can be done before those stages, that none of us has stumbled over.
We know that there is an unlock condition seperate from the steps you have to make to actively elder.
And we know it's not to do with PvP or nesting, and that Bios aren't able to do the unlock step.
Question for someone with lower ping than me, can Bio hatchies go into a glide from a fall? I've only ever caught myself with a hover.
native yacht
nope
heavy ridge
It's almost certainly not that. Jao thought we could figure out the process within 2 weeks. While it might require a % of passive ticks, it can't require full eldering by passive ticks as that takes much longer than 2 weeks
XD a lot of us have been cycling in and out, we're generally aware of when we need to take a break and refocus
robust crypt
roger, thank you for the update
Anytime! Whenever I have the time, I'll play a bit more and see if I can intentionally trigger it more in different locations while recording so I have more clips to pull from and share for others to see 
Right now all I've got are the redwoods, the one between Arch & BR as well as near the giant fallen tree
Haven't been able to trigger it during daylight hours ingame
native yacht
only thing throwing me off is "non-campable"... every where on the map is a location that can be camped. could he be talking about the method to start eldering.. is that non campable? but once you are eldering (and if location is involved) and doing whatever, those will be locations that can be camped.
minor hinge
gn 
compact berry
w0t
compact berry
I've watched them from the main menu, i dont think that would have anything to do with eldering lmao
native yacht
was gonna ask the game tester if he/she has done it
tardy perch
your the game tester?
I AM tester yes. I wouldn't say I'm THE tester lol
I watched the credits a whiiiile back, but not since 1.0. I highly doubt it's that though. (still recommend watchign teh credits anyway, it's actually quite tearful)
native yacht
yea the credits was pretty cinematic
tardy perch
It made me shed a small tears. It was sweet to read . (for those who don't know there's just a very cute thank you to supporters after the actual credits. It's very sweet)
But yeah no, I doubt the credits have anythign to do with elder. But anyone can do it so you are free ot try.
native yacht
i figured id watch it to see...back in the days it was a classic move to enable some mechanics once credits were seen fully
Jao mentioned we had everything at our disposal to start eldering. We do need to do something to activate eldering
the act of eldering can apply to everything he's told us however, the method to start ... doesn't. (this is a theory)
viral lark
I think I might have seen something. Investigating now
native yacht
i've already done it
viral lark
Not the credits. Something else.
native yacht
I've already done it.
at this point i wouldn't mind Jao droppping in and just replying to a theory someone stated with either "hot" or "cold"
tardy perch
That would be pretty fun actually
pliant yoke
at this point i wouldn't mind Jao droppping in and just replying to a theory som...
We all wish he'd do that
pliant yoke
But he ain't appearing
rapid radish
We need to do hatchie sacrifice circle to summon him xD
devout kettle
I see you're still truna dig for dinosaurs.. ;-;
rapid radish
https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-hear-no-bell-randy-marsh-south-park-s9e5-the-losing-edge-gif-22282212
heavy ridge
But he ain't appearing
Plugging away at that hotfix
tall fossil
How does getting your first tick work? Do you need to relog to get it? What if its something simple like grow a dragon and get your first tick without logging?
balmy moss
Not sure 100% First tick I believe is still 12 hours. But I haven't been on that long after reaching adult in the same session.
steady rock
I Grew an SS ín one sitting and I didn't got my first tick until 12 hour passed after hitting adult (I didn't wait IT out without logging, I need sleep, so I don't know if you get IT after 12 hour or have to relog for IT XD )
deft patrol
I experienced that it’s sometimes buggy, rare cases you don’t get your first passive tick, happened mostly with getting nested
faint tendon
Assuming passive ticks work the same as back in legacy, your first passive tick is 12 hours after reaching adulthood.
heavy ridge
One of those lovely situations where none of us is willing to sit an 15 hr session 😅
pliant yoke
maybe u have to get 2 elder ticks in 1 session
heavy ridge
XD no possible way Jao intends for a 24 hr session, his player base would literally die attempting it
heavy ridge
Math good
languid spoke
XD no *possible* way Jao intends for a 24 hr session, his player base would lite...
i'm sure that's not his intent. but just for the sake of it, i've done it before on legacy
bold tusk
Things to ask Jao when he appears again:
- Is eldering Map related or Client?
- ...
Dragging again
heavy ridge
So, from a coding perspective? Echo (map designer) said they hadn't been involved in the eldering process at all
So any ideas that involve an area that echo would have had to add in an area trigger (such as in a cave, under a tree, etc) isn't it.
Things like "x distance from [AI]", "virtical cord greater than y", "wet condition", that's fair game.
languid spoke
i thought Jao said it wasn't location specific??
heavy ridge
Yeah, exactly. You should be able to do it wherever, and not a specific location. But he could still require you to be in free fall, or to attack an ai in a specific way.
pliant yoke
leave brick wall
heavy ridge
tear down that wall
languid spoke
i mean, there's only so many ways to kill a bug right?
rapid belfry
stop torturing the poor person lol
pliant yoke
heavy ridge
have we attacked a bug with bile from mid-air?
balmy moss
I've tried, pretty sure I can't confirm 100%
devout kettle
we need <@861312541472325644>
Ohhh how I wish I could make my usual threats here. 😠
Got so close to sending it and remembered this is a server with actual rules
regal oriole
DM...... I didn't say a thing
covert stag
So still no closer to solving this? No luck on my end either, thought i was onto something but it turnjs out it was just an emergency stamina bar i didnt know about lol
rough root
Welp, I figured out what the blue orb is. It's nothing to do with eldering and i...
Any chance you can record it? Would be super helpful!
rough root
So still no closer to solving this? No luck on my end either, thought i was onto...
Ah yes the second wind xD
balmy moss
Yes we've had 2nd wind, but what about third wind?
We got this. We must show a strong, solid, united front everyone.
A good foundation
Then once we do that we can look for the door and worry about unlocking it.
covert stag
Ah yes the second wind xD
Is that what its called. When i saw it last night for the first time i dam near had a heart attack thinkin i found it.
not only that but i coinceidentlly got an extra 0.1% on my FS growth. First time thats happend i think. None the other got the extra though.
balmy moss
not only that but i coinceidentlly got an extra 0.1% on my FS growth. First time...
Ok mac this is very important the dragon this happened on was it spawned in. Or nested in from two parents??
covert stag
Spawn Iconic Male
balmy moss
Mac that is 2nd wind, but continue to look into this. I have a theory on spawn in. I'll do the same thing when I get home and grow a spawn.
Try to memorize everything you did during and before that 1%.
.01
covert stag
Oh i should let you know i did not get the extra 0.1% when i logged in for tic about 20 mins ago
covert stag
and i did the same as yesterday
covert stag
Forgot to hold shift to sleep and noticed a small bar underneath stamina. Elder tic soon after and was 1.0% insteasd of the usual 0.9
covert stag
Do spawns get passive elder ticks....
All my dragons are Spawn and they all get passive tic
severe canopy
Think that was the second wind
muted moat
soo you could have choosen iconic from the start menu?
Yes
covert stag
Think that was the second wind
Yeah i figured that out last night after flying around and noticed stamina recharging. And just had it confirmed what it was lol
severe canopy
Ah ok goodi good
pliant yoke
Btw it has to be smth asd can do aswell, so no flying
muted moat
What if we are all overthinking this
And over analyzing it
And it’s probably the most simple thing ever 😂
languid spoke
muted moat
Sure the eldering is hard but what if the first step is simple to throw us off?
languid spoke
oh, i'm just reiterating what he said lol. the first step could be simple....it's the "difficult to figure out" that is important
muted moat
lol nw I’m just kinda trying to throw ideas at this point
Cuz the figuring out how to elder might be so simple it’s being looked over
pliant yoke
He said he thinks no one has done the first step yet
muted moat
But the actual eldering can be hard
quick yoke
And it’s probably the most simple thing ever 😂
Feels like it lol
muted moat
Exactly lol
Like we are over analyzing to the point where we might actually be overlooking it cuz it’s so simple
rapid belfry
What could be simpler than murdering bugs
languid spoke
ah, he doesn't say eldering is hard per se, figuring out how to helper, difficult
eldering once you know how to do it, cool
rapid belfry
Or roaring
pliant yoke
He said he thinks no one has done the first step yet
.
languid spoke
issue is, so many things have been tried with no results lol
rapid belfry
Yeah if it was easy someone would have done it by now
muted moat
What could be simpler than murdering bugs
Carrying them around as a hatchie?
rapid belfry
Yep
muted moat
Yeah if it was easy someone would have done it by now
The point I’m trying to make is what if climbing the first step is easy just being overlooked
Like what if it’s been suggested and it’s kinda just been brushed off
languid spoke
i'm not sure anything has been brushed off honestly? if it was a new suggestion it was tried
i mean, look at how many times the poor crystals were violated because everyone hyper obsessed over them for several days, then circled back to do it again
rapid belfry
Yeah nothings been denied
languid spoke
and again
rapid belfry
Lol
languid spoke
the crystals have trauma
languid spoke
i've been at a loss on what it is, i refocused on upstatting cause who wants to elder something that isn't good? but.....still keeping my eyes peeled for anything that might help
rapid belfry
Yeah thats all we can do for now
languid spoke
right lol, at least i think that part is figured out but it's a journey. knowing that eldering isn't related to that or nesting in general does help
pliant yoke
I still hope for jao to just appear again and give us a better hint
rapid belfry
Hmmm yeah i do too
But hotfix is today so he most likely wont have time and is busy
pliant yoke
It takes like 2 mins to tell us a hint
muted moat
i've been at a loss on what it is, i refocused on upstatting cause who wants to ...
But it has nothing to do with nesting
languid spoke
i'd rather he focuses that 2 mins on updates/coding
rapid belfry
True
muted moat
So even then upstatting might not matter
Cuz for solo they have to be able to elder espawns
languid spoke
But it has nothing to do with nesting
i didn't say it did? i said i refocused on that since i don't know how to elder
pliant yoke
Misunderstood it aswell at first
languid spoke
once we figure it out i'll work on eldering lol, but in the process of playing the game if i see anything i think might be related i try to keep up in here so i can share it
rapid radish
not only that but i coinceidentlly got an extra 0.1% on my FS growth. First time...
Was it your 5th tick? Bc the 5th tick on ir and fs is 1% 🙂 See the pinned doc
covert stag
Was it your 5th tick? Bc the 5th tick on ir and fs is 1% 🙂 See the pinned doc
no idea what tick it is, my FS is at 42.7% lol
heavy ridge
[Big breath] I'll be back with a graph
balmy moss
[Big breath] I'll be back with a graph
I'll be here... im not exactly mobile.
heavy ridge
Well, I'll be back with a peice of tape and you can be the one to hold it.
Well. One of our maths is wrong. Or else Mactal has managed it.
rapid radish
no idea what tick it is, my FS is at 42.7% lol
Passive elder tick 🙂
rapid radish
Well. One of our maths is wrong. Or else Mactal has managed it.
These are all confirmed ticks on ir and fs?? 🤩 Do you have same for asd and ss by any chance?
covert stag
Well. One of our maths is wrong. Or else Mactal has managed it.
Let me just log on and double check my %
devout anvil
i have a new weird theory
heavy ridge
These are all confirmed ticks on ir and fs?? 🤩 Do you have same for asd and ss ...
This is based on ticks being 0.9%, with the fifth rounding to 1%.
Not in-game confirmed.
rapid radish
Oh, I got so excited, bc this is the kind of data I have been trying to collect of confirmed ticks 😭
heavy ridge
But if everyone with a passive IR/FS wants to check their rate against it and give us a ✅ that'd be swell
pliant yoke
i have a new weird theory
oh no what is it
devout anvil
-Have every dragon available unlocked (as in you have one) and grown to full adult
-Log onto every dragon once, eat until you're not hungry, drink until you're not thirsty
-log onto the dragon you want to have the elder tick
Idk
just a thought
heavy ridge
-Have every dragon available unlocked (as in you have one) and grown to full adu...
Unfortunately, that is my passive process, so Unfortunately not it as of yet
covert stag
Yip 42.7
devout anvil
Unfortunately, that *is* my passive process, so Unfortunately not it as of yet
oh, mb
heavy ridge
Here, I'm at 9.2, someone else give us an IR/FS % and I'll whip out a graph
devout anvil
i haven't been reading chat
rapid radish
These are confirmed ticks from an ir
But that's why I need more data after these ticks, to see if the pattern replicates 🙂
covert stag
Wait have i done something to make slightly faster?
rapid radish
Ss pattern is 1.3-1.2-1.3-1.2.... I haven't been able to confirm a pattern for asd, bc of limited data
heavy ridge
Wait have i done something to make slightly faster?
Either the % is something like 0.923 or yes, yes you have.
covert stag
oh crap i have no clue what it could have been
heavy ridge
that do be how it do be, yes
Going to be scrolling up and data chugging to pin down the percentage rates, so nobody freak out, but yeah, Mactal, think about if there's anything you do that's different from other people
rapid radish
This is why I need more data ppl, pls share it with me 
covert stag
Ss pattern is 1.3-1.2-1.3-1.2.... I haven't been able to confirm a pattern for a...
log on for a few mins to get ticks while sleeping to spawn next dragon for tic. been doin that for weeks. missed the odd tick here and there
rapid radish
I do have the first 6 ticks on asd, but thank you ^^
covert stag
oops i may have replied to the wrong person lol
rapid radish
All good xD
covert stag
do you want the % of my other creatures?
rapid radish
I'm more interested on the tick pattern, so I can determine how long each dragon needs to reach the critical points ^^
heavy ridge
do you want the % of my other creatures?
I'll take that data, any bit helps if I'm committing to collating this
covert stag
I'll take that data, any bit helps if I'm committing to collating this
on it
IR
ASD
SS
covert stag
-Have every dragon available unlocked (as in you have one) and grown to full adu...
I have actually been doing exactly that. Only logging in for tick then eat once hunger icon appears then eat/drink until full. Done that with all of them with aim to Elder all.
devout anvil
I have actually been doing exactly that. Only logging in for tick then eat once ...
any noticeable difference in elder ticks..?
covert stag
I honestly havent payed attention to it. Quite often its a rush to get th tick while getting ready for work in the morning lol
Only difference i ever noticed was last night. I got 1.0% on FS instead of the usual 0.9
tardy perch
that's normal actually.
purely because the tick amount isn't a flat .9. It's like.... a .905 of some obsurce number. So sometimes it'll add up or round up if it adds into a certain amount
pliant yoke
That sounds too absurd, that'd never work
And i dont think jao would want 100+ ppl in this game w the same name
Would be hella confusing
maiden island
would be kinda funny tho ngl, an entire server just named Elder 
barren cave
Lol, i can already see it "Yo Elder, we were just talking to Elder and Elder about going to meet up with Elder, Elder and Elder. Their parents, Elder and Elder, always treats us to the beast meat!"
turbid copper
Broo 
turbid copper
Lmfaooo
barren cave
Oh, he deleted the message D: I didn't mean to sound mean..
Sry man
Was just having a bit of fun with the idea
pliant yoke
Who deleted what message
balmy moss
Hello, wall again
chrome yarrow
rigid vale
turbid copper
tame crest
Apparently not.
balmy moss
Nope, they're stuck at a wall
pliant yoke
Hello, wall again
Pls leave
balmy moss
leaves
pliant yoke
Freedom
tame crest
Comes back as a full on tree instead.
balmy moss
I'm still thinking, spawning has something to do with it.
balmy moss
Ok
turbid copper
No one knows, it doesn’t have a date
sage cape
maiden island
it's not impossible 
i doubt their gonan change it if anything they'll probably tell us
yes he said he would if we didn't find it but i'm pretty sure it was a joke
misty galleon
question yall tried going to all the lakes and areas on an fs with thermal vision on?
languid spoke
i think most of the map was explored testing fs termal, but even so....that would only work for fs
misty galleon
maybe not if it has to do with each dragons abilties
languid spoke
which we have theorized it could be
but, no one has found anything with thermal that has been reported here
balmy moss
Right now we're not having a problem with the process. We are having a problem with the step to unlock the process.
misty galleon
who all here has managed to passive elder?
have the elders look around the map for something not right and go from there im testing my theory currently if i find something i'll let yall know
languid spoke
i know someone said they explored the map with a passive eldered asd and found nothing
sweet flicker
I have heard the same thing
Im almost sure it just isnt active, or in the game yet....in every other game people basically find everything within a week, even if it means going through the game files
languid spoke
i believe Jao when he says it's in and active
balmy moss
There's been secrets that have been discovered years afterwards.
sweet flicker
Idk, there are very few games which have had secrets last very long, and usually it isnt a main mechanic
barren cave
There's been secrets that have been discovered years afterwards.
I mean, secrets that involve unlocking a core mechanic of the game?
sweet flicker
I mean, this is a core mechanic, not some hidden item that you almost have to use glitches to reach
The things people usually struggle to find, are things that the devs never really talked about, some random item that doesnt reamly mean anything, or doesnt have any power, but is just a sort of easter egg.
lime viper
At this point just tell us so we can get to eldering. Server pops are dropping real fast and at least eldering would bring some people back until we get the new dragons and ingame stuff 
please
balmy moss
Hmm. You guys got this. Keep up the good work
languid spoke
lime viper
sweet flicker
I do think if it is there, you people will find it soon, there are a lot of people here trying to figure it out, and having a lot of good ideas, and using good strategies
lime viper
People have been looking for a month now, in this channel we have 33k messages xD It has slowed down by quiet a bit because everyone is fed up at this point
sweet flicker
I think its slowing down also because less people are playing.
Either waiting for the updates, or disagreeing with some decisions
acoustic holly
Each time I’ve logged in there’s been less than 1000 players playing so…take that how you will.
lime viper
Player pop has been around 500-200 depending on time ofc. I think telling us how to elder or giving us a good big boi hint so we can discover it would double the pop in an instant haha
worthy python
I personally think it's coming soon, since they posted like 3 things about ot on social media
robust crypt
Any chance you can record it? Would be super helpful!
I haven't been able to recreate it, so I am presently in the process of getting the video I currently have ready to upload.
acoustic holly
Soon but with no official date so they can not have people angry that it was delayed panicking that we still can’t find how to elder.
robust crypt
Any chance you can record it? Would be super helpful!
limber valve
So I've seen a SS going around that an admin said it likely wouldn't be possible to get 18a anymore o-o anyone got any idea how valid that is?
somber shuttle
I have an 18a? Theyre saying they dont think its possible anymore?
limber valve
Oh you do? Idk I just saw this screenshot
I know this isnt the place to probably talk about this but I wanted yalls opinions 👀
maiden island
it's possible to get 18A just won't be easy but stats aren't related to eldering ^^"
somber shuttle
It takes more work now, as it should, but I dont think straight A dragons shouldnt exist. Its a grind. It is definitely still possible though
limber valve
Yeah I mean I get they're not related to eldering but they just made it sound like 18a wasn't going to be possible anymore lol
somber shuttle
idk maybe they plan to change it again then? straight A+ and A++ might be rare or impossible, but 18a is still a thing
maiden island
no i mean this is the thread for talking about eldering and yur mentioning stats when it's said to not involve them that's all ^^
i'm sure you'd get more ppl to talk about it in general for more opinions
heavy ridge
idk maybe they plan to change it again then? straight A+ and A++ might be rare o...
Jao had been saying that 18a is possible w/o Helga, eldering, etc, but for a+,a++, you're going to need one or both.
gray mango
likely both
boreal estuary
Hoping they give an actual hint on eldering
Bashing our skulls against a wall isn’t working
mint tulip
that is what I am waiting for
or just tell us
hell if they change it they should tells us what it used to be
so we may judge how stupid hard they made it
misty galleon
ok this might be a dumb question but has anyone tried taking a male dragon and do the mating dance with 3 females then flying around the map with them
no nesting just flying and hunting around the map
misty galleon
yes but it may help as joa said it was more sociable and dragony
mint tulip
then that contradicts his hint of it being solo able
pliant yoke
It has to be soloable and non campable
lucid blaze
but also Sociable? how does that go hand in hand? sociable but solo able?
Something Dragony in my head was hoarding and lair, that could be soloable
misty galleon
true but males cant claim territory and what are we supposed to hoard?
lucid blaze
Bugs? xD
misty galleon
they despawn thou lol
misty galleon
i mean im testing the idea for lair and hoard but idk
lucid blaze
Unless there's a tower somewhere with a princess inside we need to be protecting hehe