New Elder System

[naive otter]

brainstorming moment

[sharp dawn]

And as of yesterday the first step is something the bio cannot complete

[naive otter]

well it makes sense cuz bio is Class 1, anything under Class 3 cannot elder. Class 3 and above can. so i kinda figured it also cannot get the process

but makes me wonder, what is the first step....

can things on a map be seen via client side only?

im asking specific questions to try to minimize what i can think of what it cant be

[sharp dawn]

Well bio can't eat ai, can't deal damage, can't smell ai or shrooms, and can't get passive elder ticks

[naive otter]

yeah not talking about bio rn, eldering in general. lets forget bio for a moment..

since ASD is the fastest to elder im going to use them

brainstorming ideas of what it could and couldnt be :3

[sharp dawn]

I kinda think passive elder is probably the most logical first step. Either full elder or certain percentage. Since that best matches all the hints we've got yet

Although if that's the case then that stinks because it'll take so long

[naive otter]

wouldnt make sense honestly. makes it harder to obtain the first step

i had this thought it could be based around an elder but its a dumb thought

[sharp dawn]

It kinda does though... Matches the bio hint, the "become what you seek to seek what you wish to become", isn't campable, or related to pvp or nesting. It can be done solo. The first step is difficult

[naive otter]

i mean maybe. seems rough, could be based off it that you gotta play the game to obtain your passives.

[elfin walrus]

I don’t think that’s necessarily the case anymore since jao said that he didn’t think anyone has done the first step yet and there are some folk who have reached elder passively now

[naive otter]

etc. i get the thought its meant to be difficult

basically what im thinking but we have to think of all the possibilities especially with PVP and Nesting being absolutely unrelated to Elderr

[sharp dawn]

That assumes that he's aware of those players. There aren't many yet, and the devs probably don't have access to server statistics of saves outside of officials

[elfin walrus]

True enough. Just a thought to throw out there

[naive otter]

most elders im aware of are spawn stats

my dumb thought was it could be that we got to be around a Elder to obtain elder tics but then again that isnt a solo thing soo cant be

[balmy moss]

Bio cant make friends either

[gloomy sand]

so its 18a then

[sweet flicker]

Just asked, apparently 18a will basically be impossible

[gloomy sand]

Without nurse?

Asked who lol

[sweet flicker]

In #ask-questions

and with nurse

Apparently we should only expect around 6a max

[gloomy sand]

welp

[sweet flicker]

Indeed

Im thinking of just going back to legacy, or dropping it completely tbh x)

[naive otter]

he said its unrelated to nesting so it cant be 18A

[bold tusk]

also need elder to nest more As

prob

cause if you only get 6 and not that much from nurse then elder will be a necessity

[gloomy sand]

I've taken a break either way

I can't make any headway and my PC apparently causes desync with this game when it can run other more intense games... so I'm waiting for improvements

[balmy moss]

We can do this

[tall fossil]

"become what you seek to seek what you wish to become" where was this said and whats the context

[languid shuttle]

anyone find out how to elder yet?

[naive otter]

no but we got to minimize what it cant be. it isnt related to nesting or PVP. can be solo'd and not campable. Bios cannot start the process to elder because they cant elder

whatever the First step is, unlocks the way to elder.

we're trying to figure out what the first step is

[languid shuttle]

alr ty

[tall fossil]

i dont think that bio is relevant, they couldve just coded it so it wont elder, it doesnt have to be something it cant do

[naive otter]

latests tips

whatever first step is, cant be completed by bio, so whatever first step is. the others can

[agile edge]

Probably just getting an elder tick

[azure pulsar]

maybe...it's getting an elder through passive elder ticks.
So you unlock it for your own account to elder active afetr reachign elder with one dragon

[balmy moss]

It's not elder tick for first step though cause rhino says he doesn't think anyone has completed for first step

[naive otter]

basically.

[balmy moss]

Posting screenshots from this channel

It could be space fan. But alot of us are hoping it's not

[naive otter]

what are things we can do soloable and not related to PVP, flight or nesting? cant be related to killing bugs or eating shrooms cuz campable

[azure pulsar]

growing elder trough passive ticks xD

[naive otter]

yeah but thats 1 tic every 12 hours, most people cant make the time. so it makes it unreliable

[languid shuttle]

yall think it could be related to the npc's? like bugs or future ones. the bio cant do an attack that does dmg but all the others can

[azure pulsar]

but it fits in everything

[naive otter]

but it can be camped

[balmy moss]

If you make a tick every 12h that's 40 days for ss

[naive otter]

if the bugs were more of a random spawn then it would make sense but nope

[azure pulsar]

the growth rate on the server is important too

[balmy moss]

I thought bugs could be possibly cause you can pick them up

[naive otter]

server i play on, takes 15 days for an ASD to reach elder if you make every single tic. cuz its 1.5x growth

[azure pulsar]

yes

but also, every dragon has their own tic growth

[agile edge]

Are the pearls you eat in the game?

[naive otter]

exactly at 1.5x growth an ASD gains 3.1% first tic. an IR gains 1.9%

[azure pulsar]

which implies that the better pvp dragons are slower able to reach elder trough passive

[balmy moss]

1.5x 2x servers are questionable cause we don't know if the active elder system would work on those servers. It could go either way. Debatable

[naive otter]

but its meant to be avalible to any server?

[azure pulsar]

if only the "get elder trough passive first" counts, then the rate isn#t gonna change it. might be, that you just unlock something after that, like are able to see soemthign or soemthing like that

[balmy moss]

I would assume yes, but I don't want to try my theories on those servers just in case. That's only my opinion though

[azure pulsar]

all good many play on other rates ^^

we have lots of folks to ask

[balmy moss]

Yup

[naive otter]

what if its client based? only the player who unlocks the first step can see it?

[balmy moss]

That's would work. But what would it be

[azure pulsar]

yes, my opinion

[naive otter]

been trying to think of what it could be honestly

[azure pulsar]

maybe it is something simple like orbs

[balmy moss]

I logged off for the day but I wanted to try to sleep through a night cycle.

[azure pulsar]

the night goes normally longer than 30 mins, right?

[balmy moss]

Another theory I think could be possibly is the first step could be a combination of prerequisites.

[azure pulsar]

so that means, you would starve trough the night

[balmy moss]

It would be close

Risk vs reward

[azure pulsar]

hm, then soemone should try that with an admin to restore in the worst case

but good night you all first :)

[opaque mulch]

I’m thinking it’s gonna be elder ur first dragon and then go from there but idk

[tepid haven]

Does anyone know on the pearl page in lower right hand corner it says 0/0 CW means? I have never seen it change. Does anyone known of this is not related to eldering?

[agile edge]

It’s probably carat weight. Patreon and KS pearls probably don’t have any weight but other pearls will

[tepid haven]

Ah, interesting unit of measurement

[agile edge]

Yeah CW is how gemstones and pearls IRL are weighed. It won’t be related to eldering

[naive otter]

basically

[tepid haven]

Can bios carry their own hatchlings?

[agile edge]

Yes

[tepid haven]

Or other hatchlings?

[agile edge]

Bio can also carry dead bugs and their babies

[tepid haven]

I never played bio, so not sure what they can’t do vs others

[agile edge]

Not other hatchies

[naive otter]

other hatchies are too big for a bio to carry. tried

[tall fossil]

bios cant:
-bite
-hurt with bile
-smell or eat bugs and shrooms
-be hurt by bugs
-be sick from shrooms/ sleep off the sickness

i think thats all, but if im missing something ur welcome to add more

[tepid haven]

So is doing something while under sickness still a viable thing worth testing?

Since Bio can’t do that

[tall fossil]

i think so, i tried eating bugs and shrooms today but no results so far

[tepid haven]

I wonder if flying above clouds while in severe sickness where the screen is all warbled, perhaps during an aurora yields anything

[tall fossil]

also i dont know if its worth mentioning but when bio reaches full adult its growth is 100% and today i grew my spawn mela ss and after reaching all adult it was 0%,

[tall fossil]

asd cant fly

figuring it out on asd will be more simple i think, cuz there wont be distractions like flying

[tepid haven]

Only acid can dive right?

[tall fossil]

i think so

[tepid haven]

Ok so under water is out by same theory

Concept*

[languid spoke]

new theory?

👀

[tall fossil]

have this beautiful chart i made will all the info i could think off, im going to sleep

[languid spoke]

wait how are bios related? they don't have an elder stage

[tall fossil]

there is a chance that bios cant do something that we dont know of, rn the only thing bio cant do is about bugs and shrooms so either its them or if they would be considered campable then it has to do with smell or bite/bile

[tepid haven]

Because we can cross examine what a Bio can’t do. Jao states Bio can’t be part of step one to elder process

[tall fossil]

see this

[languid spoke]

interesting, i can't imagine they would be involved in it at all? what if a server has no bios?

bios don't have an elder stage
they can't elder, becaues they technically would be "elder" without the stage.....anyone tried offing a bio?

and adult one

not sure that qualifies as "cool to do" tho

[tall fossil]

having bio on a server doeasnt matter, but jao said that the 1st step to unlock eldwer is something a bio cant do so were examining what they cant do

[languid spoke]

they can't do a lot 😂 but i suppose it narrows the list more

[tall fossil]

also if passive ticks are a thing does that mean that you still get them when unlocking the secret elder step? and is the 1st step something that we will have to do over and over to get growth or will it unlock pasive growth time like hatchies grow to juvies and juvies to adult and adult would to elder

[languid spoke]

pretty sure passives are a thing regardless

[balmy moss]

Ghost ping 😠

Jk

[tall fossil]

sorry i didnt know it worked like that

[balmy moss]

Its all good

[tardy perch]

Don't brush off what Jao said as utter fact. Look at his wording. He said he didn't THINK anyone has done it yet. I very very highly doubt he'd eyeballing this channel so much so that he's aware that like 3 people who talked in here have reached elder

I'm still very convinced that the first step is passively getting to elder

[sharp dawn]

I kinda think so too. Maybe it's similar to the unlock system for mela-- you unlock the skin, but you don't find out until you kill your character and respawn.

[tardy perch]

But I also think that one of two things still need ot be done to complete the first step. My guesses are...you do unlock the second method the moment you hit elder via passives on a species, but you won't notice the second method until you're a new adult for said species (meaning that elder must have kicked the bucket). The other is to really unlock the secodn method, you gotta do like maybe a little something with elder.

[sharp dawn]

What if the first step to active eldering is you have to passive elder a dragon of the same species first? Then next elder is easier to get

[tardy perch]

Given the existing elders haven't seen anything weird yet on OTHER species, it makes me inclined to thin kthat the method is only PER species, not a server-wide and species-wide unlock like Mela is

Yeah that's what I'm thinking. Because as far as I know, NO ONE has offed there hard-gotten elder to really see if their next adult finds anything new or weird

[languid spoke]

honestly sounds very plausible Ulta

i'd wondered if it was species based before

[mint tulip]

if i had been staying up with it i would off mine for a upstat

bonk someone to get some elder blood in there even if it is bld e

[sharp dawn]

I really doubt it would be a server wide unlock because that would be kinda op to say, passive elder on ASD quickly, and then be able to active elder the brood watcher

[mint tulip]

this is why i won't focus on upstatting until eldering is known

[wide canopy]

I think eldering is probably involving 18a as elders are SAID to be strong.

[naive otter]

eldering is not related to nesting, confirmed

[wide canopy]

Sad.

Where was it confirmed

[naive otter]

here

[wide canopy]

Sad

Makes it less end game for me

[upbeat igloo]

Wouldn’t be friendly towards solo players if it was nesting related

[wide canopy]

Tru

When he reveals the elderin system and its something painfully obvious ima laugh

[agile edge]

Plus nature said that the most A’s we can get are maybe around 6. (I really hope that’s not the case), but yeah. Can’t be getting 18A as the new eldering system

[wide canopy]

IF the most a’s is 6 pvpers are gonna be livid

[agile edge]

And pve. That’s all we have lol

[naive otter]

at least we got confirmation its not related to PVP & Nesting. but its also soloable and not campable. whatever it is

[wide canopy]

Pve u dont need to worry about anything

Yet.

Have fun with pookie.

[wide canopy]

And NOONE out of the entire community has gotten extra point?

[mellow dawn]

It also can’t be eldering first cause he said he doesn’t think anyone’s done it yet

[naive otter]

friend did somehow. they had gotten their elder tic 5hrs prior to a random tic. majority they did was sit on a nest and eat bugs that day. that's it no other ideas

[wide canopy]

What common sense havent people gotten yet

[wide canopy]

Honestly.

Has anyone tried eating 50 bugs

In one sitting.

[mint tulip]

it is in the game to elder... by actively logging in every 12 hrs for a tick i cracked the code :V

[naive otter]

probs? most females nesting sit there while bugs are delivered

[wide canopy]

Nope. Thats the annoying way

[wide canopy]

I had a espawn asd obtain 9 growth on pvp via just slaughtering people

(No login tick btw)

Just grew it and purged

[mint tulip]

who says that is not what jao meant?

[wide canopy]

Its CLEARLY not.

[mint tulip]

not like he is around to deny or confirm

[wide canopy]

Mate the other method is literally called “active eldering”

12hr tick is not the way we’re after

[mint tulip]

supposedly

[wide canopy]

No, it was confirmed by him if im not wrong

[balmy moss]

[wide canopy]

We havent found it yet, said by em so, No. its not 12hr ticks

[agile edge]

Yeah I thought there was both passive and active eldering. Passive being ticks and active being a mystery. In legacy it was passive (ticks) + active (mushies)

[wide canopy]

Theres 2 methods.

Active and passive.

[mint tulip]

well noone seems to be having any luck finding the active method soooooo

https://tenor.com/view/encogimiento-de-hombros-jake-hora-de-aventura-no-sé-quién-sabe-gif-21559288

[wide canopy]

Jao made it extremely complex or extremely obvious.

[mint tulip]

more likely complex

[wide canopy]

We WANT the active method.

Not passive.

Passive will drive everyone mental

[mint tulip]

if it was obvious we would have found it

[wide canopy]

Not rlly

Mela was obvious.

[mint tulip]

i don't know the method not that I ever cared

[wide canopy]

And he had to reveal it, no?

[mint tulip]

why would I want to be white?

[wide canopy]

Y u in here then

U mean black?

[mint tulip]

Oh it turns you black

[wide canopy]

…bruh

U trollin.

[mint tulip]

naw

just kind of dumb

[wide canopy]

-_-

[languid spoke]

if mela was that obvious he wouldn't have had to tell people tho

[wide canopy]

Mela was obvious to the active player.

[mint tulip]

what is the method anwyasy?

[wide canopy]

Wdym

For what

[mint tulip]

to turn black

[wide canopy]

..

[mint tulip]

i am curious how obvious it is

[wide canopy]

Grow a hatchie to adult without dying or logging

[languid spoke]

not quite, that leaves a lot out

[wide canopy]

And NO u DONT need to be nested. I get mela via growing espawns and slaughterin em (i have 1bar rn)

[mint tulip]

oh damn

[languid spoke]

you do have to be nested now

[wide canopy]

Nope

Not now

I got my melas via espawn slaughter

[languid spoke]

that's weird because it didn't work for me ot my friend

[wide canopy]

Its stupidly random.

As in “i snackraficed 2 asds and it worked on a fs”

[mint tulip]

.... he wouldn't...

[wide canopy]

He wouldnt wt?

[languid spoke]

but this is all off topic soooooo

[wide canopy]

We’re comparing

[mint tulip]

guys what if it is the same thing but for eldering?

a stretch i know

[wide canopy]

HAHA. Very far

Been tried i think

[balmy moss]

Finishing elder for first step is really turning into a stubborn log.

[wide canopy]

Brick wall*

[balmy moss]

But who knows

[wide canopy]

Jao said it was endgame

Wth is endgame?? Bc it aint nesting ig

[balmy moss]

Probably start of endgame

[languid spoke]

having an elder dragon with good stats would be endgame for many

[wide canopy]

But he said it wasnt nesting and u DONT need elder for it already

[agile edge]

Watch the active eldering method get discovered by a causal player just livin their best dragon life, all while we are putting our single braincells together in here.

[languid spoke]

i didn't say it was nesting

[wide canopy]

Im going to lose my marbles if it do

[balmy moss]

Huh why is my dragon bigger? That's neat oh well. Ohh let me hop into this random egg lol

[wide canopy]

What)

That would be

Annoying

Anyone got a list of people opinion on “endgame” things that fall under the category

[mint tulip]

max stat elder best loot

that is mine

[wide canopy]

Under the category.

[balmy moss]

A+ is basically endgame. Need 1st elder mutation dom from both parents for the crit

[wide canopy]

…under the category

[balmy moss]

I CANT READ GOOD

[wide canopy]

Same

[balmy moss]

And my thumbs are too big

[wide canopy]

..ight

[upbeat igloo]

Engrish goodnt speakent

[balmy moss]

sigh it's going to be passive elder aint it?

[wide canopy]

Nope.

For now? Yes.

Later when he changes it? Nope.

[balmy moss]

It's looking like it

[wide canopy]

Petition to when jao reveals eldering to scream as loud as possible

[balmy moss]

As long as we don't take it out on him

[wide canopy]

Obviously

[agile edge]

Nah. We will be too busy trying to get into the server to elder when that happens

[wide canopy]

But what counts as endgame bruh

That FALLS under the category

[upbeat igloo]

Be sure to use a pillow to muffle it so no neighbours get confused xD

[wide canopy]

My neighbors hate me enough

They can suffer

[balmy moss]

Oof. Ya servers gonna be crazy full when that happens

[wide canopy]

And ima be crunching on progs

[mint tulip]

if by scream you mean go near him in game roaring?

[balmy moss]

Maybe for elders we need to fly into alot of trees

[wide canopy]

Tis uncampable

[balmy moss]

Camp that many trees?

[rapid belfry]

What do you mean theres no way to camp ALL the trees

[naive otter]

ASD's tho

[rapid belfry]

Exactly

Run into trees

[naive otter]

xD

[agile edge]

I would have been elder by now if that was it lol

[devout kettle]

Dang, I'm guessing by the chat there's still no progress? :<

[somber shuttle]

Bosses would be the only thing that would seem to count as endgame to me. And qualify as something Bio cant do, since they cant fight. But theres no trace of AI boss....

[balmy moss]

Asd's can jump off waterfalls or something

[naive otter]

however some trees dont even have collision tho

[mint tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/we-aint-found-shit-spaceballs-lost-looking-gif-11190682

[balmy moss]

Technically! This is a big technically. Majority of players can't spawn in as bio's they have to be nested. Sooo what if we start one of the other dragons by spawn. Who's to say the elder process starts after adult. Maybe it's a prerequisite.

[devout kettle]

😄 YAYYY!

[balmy moss]

Heads up I did this and it got deleted.

[mint tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-sesame-street-shrug-idk-i-have-no-idea-gif-17243185

[devout kettle]

Devina has no care to give anymore it seems xD

[mint tulip]

not really i am not gonna type curses here

if someone finds or makes one with REDACTED for that I will use it

[devout kettle]

Pfft

[tepid haven]

Has anyone grown an iconic to adult on each free species?

[balmy moss]

I have not

[mint tulip]

yes?

not to elder yet

[agile edge]

I have grown iconics. Nothing special

[tepid haven]

All on same account?

[mint tulip]

haven't grown a ir to adult

[tepid haven]

And for each free species on the same account I mean

[mint tulip]

best I can get is to juvi

[agile edge]

Only asd and SS on the same acct.

[tepid haven]

Might be worth growing iconic to adult for each species (free not dlc) on the same accoubt

Mele used to be that at some point

Well, 1 dragon as iconic

Way way ago

So could be a similar out of box concept

[agile edge]

I feel like that would almost be a punishment for KS and Patreon members who have the perks of spawning in as other skins, no?

[naive otter]

doesnt make sense to be skin based anyways

[agile edge]

I understand in terms of unlocking a different skin to be skin related (mela), but eldering? Probably a stretch

[tepid haven]

Perhaps, but needs to be available to anyone not pt or ks. Just an idea

[agile edge]

It’s a good idea tho. We appreciate all ideas.

[tepid haven]

Aye~ if passive elder doesn’t work, still worth a try haha

[naive otter]

well as a enjoyable moment while we brainstorm ideas. enjoy this masterpiece

[balmy moss]

Is that an elder?

[naive otter]

nope i wish tho. some of them have a few passive tics

[drifting frost]

To add to this, Bio's can't get passive ticks. I'm leaning heavily towards us needing enough passive ticks as that being the first step of the ladder. Get enough passive ticks and then we can find the active method?

[tardy perch]

I'd sooner say you gotta get to 100% elder with the passives, rather than a certain percentage. The only reason I say that is because we probably should have FOUND something by now if it was only a certain percentage, as a lot more players have reached that by now

Wereas we've confirmed at least 4 players have reached 100%. Out of several hundreds XD

[mint tulip]

wish we would get a confirm on if that is the first step

[vestal gull]

i managed to make it work without even growing anything weirdly enough

[drifting frost]

It's possible, unless it's something as simple as a client side 'pearl/orb' that you are able to find after reaching a certain percentage? He said eldering was meant to be a cool secret. Logging on every 12 hrs for over a month doesn't seem that fun

[tardy perch]

I think the active elder process is the 'cool' part. Getting to elder once via passives would only be the first step in my headcannon

[acoustic holly]

Has anyone tried to find the place that, when they load into a server they are shown? It’s the preloaded area (not the sky one, the ground area). Just curious in case it was literally telling us where to go the whole time. Can’t be camped either because it’s random (to my knowledge)

[mellow dawn]

?

What do you mean?

[acoustic holly]

Like, you click into a server and it does that weird loading screen where first you’re in the site, then it loads somewhere with trees—but the location is different every time. Has anyone found those specific locations that are shown?

[mellow dawn]

Not sure might have to try it just to make sure

[acoustic holly]

I haven’t found one yet because the vagueness of the locations but I’ll see if I can spawn a location that actually gives me something to work with.

[gloomy sand]

youre just seeing the map

its not a special place its rendering in a spawn point

[native yacht]

havent been on in week due to work, have I missed anything?

re-reading everything..everyone has done what I did a month ago. But I do see Jao has finally confirmed that its not nesting or pvp, something i've already tried to tell everyone

moving onwards.. i've been exploring. there are 3 ancient water locations

#hinthint #jaohint #elderhints

Tip 1
If you want to elder then you must Redacted Redacted Redacted

Tip 2
So guys you have to Redacted Redacted Redacted. Then you obviously have to go to Redacted to get Redacted

Tip 3
Figuring out how to elder, difficult.
Eldering once you know how to do it, cool.

Tip 4
The only hint I will give you is that you must take the first step before you can climb the elder ladder.
Quality of life.

Tip 5
Its Endgame.

Tip 6
First step, become that which you seek so that you can seek that which you wish to become

[native yacht]

nvm those 3 ancient water did nothing.

[keen spire]

Well, In addition to eldering, Bio also does not know how to bite or eat meat

[primal rain]

someone said they can't sniff too

[naive otter]

they can but also cant, they have to. to find water and flowers

they cant smell bugs and mushies tho!

[primal rain]

oh i see

[naive otter]

yup :3

[rapid radish]

The quality of life needs to be removed from this list, bc it has nothing to do with eldering, it was a misunderstanding 😄

[glad star]

Random question did anyone try sniffing around the world to see if you would find a new color line? It's something that only you see so maybe?

Would be cool to get a hidden hint in patch notes

[acoustic holly]

I think a few people did. I’ve tried in a few spots with little luck. Was hopeful for some areas in the old elder forest but no luck. I won’t claim to have hit every patch around there though so could’ve easily missed something.

[glad star]

Mmh

I'm getting out of ideas too lately

Imagine we are just overthinking it and Jao just tells us before the blitz update, and it's like super easy

Or was being he would change it if he tells us

[red musk]

I have thought about the scent system aswell, my plan was to start sniffing around once I reach elder and have 3 surv points

[acoustic holly]

I know they had the pet NPC character before. I was curious if they just made that character invisible/unable to see in heat vision. And you can interact with it. But the mountain yielded little and the mountain can be camped.

[rapid radish]

Apparently he did state that he would just "change it" some time ago in a patreon chat, but ofc he could have changed his mind about that too :p

[balmy moss]

People have found orange. Which seems to be sound. I don't have the screen shot but two people were calling alot then scenting, then found orange.

[glad star]

You sure they weren't sniffing nests?

Sound?

[balmy moss]

shrug I saw the screen shot. It was a deep vibrant orange

Other than that I just don't know

[glad star]

We would need to know if they were near nests cause the scent can look similar

[balmy moss]

I can tell with 100% it looked nothing like the nest yellow

[glad star]

And did they mention a zone? Or coordinates?

[sweet flicker]

I know someone that claimed to see two yellow lines, with one single red line in between...my first though was a nest and a dead bug at the same place, but they said it seemed different to that

[rapid radish]

Orange should be bleeding

Easily tested tho what it is 😄

[balmy moss]

For some reason I cant select this channel to filter for screenshots

Gg

[sweet flicker]

Yeah I dont think you can in threads

Well posts I guess

[stuck minnow]

I've been told that orange means player bodies, (I even followed an orange line to a dead baby ASD) Vs red which is bleeding/ai bodies

[glad star]

Then we are at 0 again xD

[stuck minnow]

Need to have someone do a video testing all the scent colors lmao

I'm sure a lot of it also comes down to perception of color and a monitors ability to show the right shade of a color

[red musk]

The scent lines
#1209681807746801724 message

[pulsar swift]

Are there blue scent lines beside the water one? I assume the mushrooms are green, not blue (colourblind in light blues, tritanomaly, makes light blue look light green).

[glad star]

Just water for blue

[pulsar swift]

[balmy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-the-office-thank-you-gif-4688221

[pulsar swift]

Either way I doubt I've missed an orb or anything of the sort even if its blue, I can usually tell the difference between green and actually blue

[tame crest]

I have regular crises on whether something is green or blue, or pink/red.

[balmy moss]

Does bio have 2nd wind?

[tame crest]

It can generate the bar but it doesn't seem to work at all.

[balmy moss]

Interesting

Possible bug or clue

[vale mortar]

Bios also cannot get passive ticks.

[balmy moss]

Yup

But if that's the first step, it has to be a combination with another thing. Cause almost everyone has reached the first elder tick.

Huh. Ok I didn't look closely before. First step-unlock-process

Nothing really stands out, but it shows how rhino describes the system per say.

Kind of hey you need to unlock the door before you open it.

I'm just rambling. Everything I've said is not new

[tame crest]

So it really is like unlocking force sensitivity in SWG

[balmy moss]

Now question. Why do we need to unlock the process? Why cant we just open the door and walk through?

Is this something we are going to have to do everytime?

"Figuring out how to elder difficult, once you know how, cool?"

[red musk]

I assume it's something that has to be done once per server or once per dragon per server

[tame crest]

I think having it be a repeatable process would be annoying, depending on what the first step is anyway.

[balmy moss]

The thing is.. that just makes it another passive mechanic at that point

The unlock part might not be repeatable

Then the theory im tossing around for the moment is maybe we already missed the opportunity to "unlock" the process. Who says we need to be an adult to wait to unlock the process.

Every player should have access to the elder system right?

[turbid copper]

Because you need to be adult to elder?

[tall fossil]

Also do anyone know if its related to dispositioning points in mutations? Like you need to choose one tree to max out? Or do tou need to have points put in anything to start the process?

[turbid copper]

I don't think points matter to unlock it

[balmy moss]

You're missing the point. Yes you need to be an adult to elder but maybe you need to do something before then to unlock it

[tall fossil]

I think it would be really annoying if it were like that

[turbid copper]

Well, that wouldn't make sense to me

[balmy moss]

Neither does quantum mechanics. For me

[tall fossil]

Haha

[balmy moss]

Just joking

So what can we do ingame. Ignoring the map, nesting, pvp.

Spawn in
Eat/kill bugs
Drink water
Scent
Bile attacks
Q abilities
Bite
Ranged attacks?
Movement(not flying cause asd)
Elder tick passive :I
Dragon calling 1,2 and any others that are free.
Sleep,sit, lay down
Get sickness from eating mushrooms

Anything else?

[tall fossil]

Get sick eat shrioms

But too campable unless its somethig complex idk

[balmy moss]

Ty it's still something

Mushrooms are a bit spread out so eh it stays in for now

[pulsar swift]

Mushrooms are almost more widely available than bugs but yeah

[balmy moss]

So another list. Why can't bio "complete" for first step?

The biggest one I can think of besides elder stage is that it's a kickstarter dragon.

So not everyone can "spawn" in as one

[turbid copper]

Because class 1 and 2 can't elder

[pulsar swift]

Bio is too small to elder

[turbid copper]

yeah

[balmy moss]

Yes we know they can't elder. But what else

Brainstorm

[proper patio]

Orange is for sure player carcasses, others and myself have also tested it, it's definitely not sound lol and as for sniffing all over the map, I've spent more time on that than I'd like to admit haha

[pulsar swift]

Cant eat bugs, cant even kill the bugs I think?

[turbid copper]

Nope, they can't kill

[tame crest]

What if Jao means it literally in the sense of "you can't use a bio to bruteforce the unlock" rather than "its something bios can't do mechanically"

[balmy moss]

Ya

[balmy moss]

Because if wouldn't make sense to give us the hint if it turns out it's just because it can't elder. It would be redundant.

I agree

[tame crest]

Like it could be something as simple as, lets use an example, visiting 6 specific locations and then picking up a special item that spawns client-side. A bio can fly and pick things up, but nothing would happen. You'd need to be a dragon that can elder for the triggers to be hit.

[balmy moss]

But...

But why would someone use a bio in the first place.. bio should automatically be out of the question cause we knew it couldn't elder and agreed it would be in the process to begin with before the latest hint. Unless I'm misunderstanding you.

[tame crest]

I'm referring to the fact people are making direct yes/no lists of things bios can and can't do.

[balmy moss]

Ohhhhhh I understand copy ty

What you are saying isAs an entity bio won't work

[tame crest]

Maybe my wording wasn't great 😅

Yah.

[balmy moss]

Maybe a little, butNo I'm an idiot

So following that line of logic. Server reads your dragon as a registered approved dragon for process. Part of it.

What's fs and asd's q ability

[turbid copper]

fs is thermal vision

and asd is acid bites

[balmy moss]

Asd's is it a duration ability or single time use bites?

I'm thinking you must have q ability activated for something

[turbid copper]

You can activate and deactivate when you want

[balmy moss]

Disregard bio for "not being coded into process" theory

Okokok this is something

Asd's, ir, ss and fs all have the same "duration" ability. That's an easy coding recognition thingy

Disregard the easy comment jao. You know what I mean. Easier to group.

Ok cipher I'm gonna keep working on. Your theory here

I do like using the dragon abilities for process

.

Ok it's time to make everyone mad.

Pause this thought process for now. Here's a question

Why is there only 1 type of mushroom now

[terse warren]

Maybe it's about damage? Bio can't do damage to anything

What if we need to damage something

[balmy moss]

Come on. I'm dr. House let me bounce my ideas off someone

[red musk]

It's just food now so why have the rest in? I believe it was said they will give buffs ect later on but don't quote me on that

[balmy moss]

What happens when we eat a mushroom?

[red musk]

• ~40 sickness

• % food

[balmy moss]

How do we get rid of sickness?

[red musk]

Sleep or time

[balmy moss]

What if we don't. What if we used our dragon q abilities instead?

[red musk]

Changes nothing, as a bio you will look sick while sick tho

[balmy moss]

You haven't been listening. This is following ciphers theory of bio just not being coded for the process. Why code a dragon for the elder process if it can't elder?

[red musk]

It has no offensive ability, most people elder to get a stronger dragon to fight with, for pvp anyway

Multiple kickstarter dragons will be able to elder

I haven't double checked but I think all of them except the monkey bird dragon will be able to

[tame crest]

The zygovo?

Its class 1 iirc and nothing below class 3 can elder.

[red musk]

Ye, I just like calling it the monkey bird dragon

[tame crest]

Which means all Kickstarter dragons barring bio/zygo will be able to elder.

[red musk]

And the patreon one

[tame crest]

Plus that mimikor thing

[drifting frost]

At what point do we get our first mutation point?

[balmy moss]

25% for elder progression or are you talking about first first? The very first would be when you spawn in.

[drifting frost]

Oh, yeah I meant with eldering. My current theory is that the first step is reaching a certain point in eldering with passive ticks, maybe getting the first elder mutation, and then we have to go find something client side, or perhaps the current theory which is ability based

[balmy moss]

Worth a shot

[drifting frost]

Expecting people to use a month or more to unlock active eldering doesn't seem realistic, I don't like the idea of that being the unlock method for active eldering

[balmy moss]

I just thought of a crazy theory ill be testing when I get home. It's so far fetched so I'm not gonna mention it. Unless it does work

[drifting frost]

If you want to bounce ideas, my DMs are open!

[balmy moss]

Ok maybe later ty

[drifting frost]

Crazy theories are what we need at this point

[balmy moss]

It based on alot of word play based on the hints. That's all I'm gonna say.

[drifting frost]

Mine is : get first mutation point from eldering, that's the first step. Now the active method is unlocked. Just gotta find it. It's meant to be dragony. A client side thing maybe, so it's not campable but still grindy, maybe collecting pearls, orbs whatever. Or ability based since the bio can't use Q.

If you look at the mutation point system, it even looks like a ladder

Sorta.

[balmy moss]

It's worth a shot.

[drifting frost]

I'd love to test it but I'm a chronic pvper so none of my dragons are getting passive ticks

[balmy moss]

Eh what the heck. I'll say it. My theory is eating your own dragons and by looking into it it's not pvp per say.

[drifting frost]

Honestly, no harm done in testing it

[balmy moss]

But im gonna have to sacrifice either my ss or ir and they're pretty good

[drifting frost]

What we need is a community server dedicated to elder finding, so we can control of our growth lmao

[balmy moss]

It's time consuming and limits elder dragons. By dragons per player

There's a few people with their own servers. But I'm just testing on official servers to control the variables

[tall fossil]

I was thinking of using q too but after some thought, bios can use q just as much as other dragons, its not harmful but technically ss going invis isnt harmful either or fs using vision

But i think using q to activate elder would be cool so idk

[balmy moss]

Why does q need to be harmful

[eager heath]

Well all Q for now beside bio are useful for offence or defence
(Fs seeing anybody pretty easily, asd attack, ss hiding)
Bio glowing is pretty much the opposite of defence, makes u bright and visible

[balmy moss]

Not looking for type of ability, but the activation of the ability.

Alot of it doesnt add up and the whole bio can't complete the first step is a doozy. That's why ciphers theory was interesting.

[eager heath]

Yea ofc, I was just expanding on the difference between bio Q and others after it was said to actually not be the only non harmful one

[balmy moss]

Another crazy idea. We can only have one active dragon. No other dragons that are alive for other species.

As a first step. And of course buondoesnt count

I'll do this when I get home

Have only 1 dragon. Bio can't complete this because [input reasoning]

[wide canopy]

I think i’d be elder by now if that were true.

[proper patio]

My plan is to work with this idea if my elder ticks would even work 😭 something is def wrong, I only get 1 tick a day on my SS, sometimes none... Idk if anyone else has experienced that. I'll get to 25% someday

[balmy moss]

It's like making cheesy potatoe casserole, but we don't know the recipe

[small sedge]

I mean. At least with cheesy potato casserole you know you need your casserole dish, potatoes, and cheese 🤣 I feel like that's more specific than what we're working with

[limber valve]

We already knew this though because bios cannot elder. Wouldn’t make much sense for them to be the ones to “unlock” the eldering if they can’t elder

[small sedge]

I'm wondering if "The first step cannot be completed by a Biolumin" means that a bio physically cannot do the task, or if it means that it doesn't matter if they do it because they can't get elder % progress

[balmy moss]

That's true. And by that logic that would make that hint completely useless.

It's like saying to a daily driver. Hey you need to put it in drive to go forward. But the driver already knows this. There's a reason he gave us that hint, but for the life of me I can't find a theory that just fits.

Boop

[small sedge]

Right 😩 I'd like to think that it means that it has something to do with biting, but then like... bite what? Can't be bugs, those have been murdered to hell and back already. Can't be crystals, can't be mushrooms, those are campable.

Can't be anything off the ground because ASD

[balmy moss]

Gosh darn asd

[small sedge]

Hey, the cute hyena lizards help us narrow options down 🤣

[red musk]

Try to eat the skies xd

[small sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-cloud-eating-dbz-hungry-gif-4862436

oh come on discord, show the gif

[slender arrow]

So based of him saying bios can’t elder which we all new you guys idea for eldering is somthing that the bio can’t do ..that’s what you guy got out of his hint the secret to eldering is hidden with in the bio !?!?!?!?!?

Bios not being able to elder doesn’t mean that you have to try and do something that the bio can’t it just means they can’t elder because it’s a useless dragon that exist as a cosmetic for kickstarts so it doesn’t need in elder stage

[red musk]

What jeo said was that the bio can't do the thing required to unlock eldering. Meaning that looking for what the bio can't do will reduce the amount of things that the first step in unlocking eldering really is.
Personally I think this first step is reaching elder once.
This also means that whatever steps that comes after this first one could be things the bio can do xd

So like if its unlocked on an server base you could think based on what jeo said that the steps can be done over multiple dragons ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[balmy moss]

At this point if it is fine.. I just want it over

[slender arrow]

If he changes it lease he can do is tell us what it is

At this point he should tell us if it’s long process it won’t change the dynamic of the servers

[balmy moss]

I just feel dumb

[red musk]

I hope he reveals it early enough that we can actually test it

[slender arrow]

No one has unlocked elder on an official server like in Pve ?

[red musk]

There should be asds by now

[rapid belfry]

The fact that there are elders by now is what is throwing me off the passive ticks method

Its not that

It CANT be

[balmy moss]

Theres like two people but I don't know them directly

[small sedge]

Marsin's ASD was just over 80% a couple days ago

[slender arrow]

Official service not the 2x bs

[lost lichen]

I'm playing PVE, and I haven't seen anyone elder, since the only way to keep us busy is to constantly renest for upstat... I admit that I'm starting to get bored... :/

[slender arrow]

Yeah maybe the 2 people don’t care to look

[rapid belfry]

Yes on OFFICIAL servers there are elder asds. Rusty. So no. None of the 2x bs.

[slender arrow]

Right so who ever they are probably don’t care

Or don’t care to figure out the way

So you can’t say there elders and nothing

[lost lichen]

For my part, in PVE, now I stop renesting, and I keep my dragons to try to make them full elder just by the 12h ticks... very long and boring...

[rapid belfry]

You are telling me. If it was passive ticks. And it suddenly showed you that it unlocked once you hit full elder. You WOULDN’T TAKE THE CREDIT?

For findingit i mean

[balmy moss]

And you can't say there's no elders without knowing.

[rapid belfry]

Exactly

[hazy mural]

any progress?

[balmy moss]

Hahaha we're falling apart anarchy!!

[rapid belfry]

You know no more than we do. Stop acting like you do.

[red musk]

It depends on how the active eldering unlock looks

They might not have seen anything different yet, or it could be per dragon and not per server

[slender arrow]

As PvP person i wouldn’t be in here telling y’all lmfao 🤣

[slender arrow]

So people don’t care lmfao you would come here and tell everyone because that’s you

[red musk]

I might actually kill my first elder at this point to test xd

[rapid belfry]

Im pvp too. Don’t assume.

[mellow dawn]

Maybe it’s based on a point in the map where a bio would go like too far without food or something

[slender arrow]

I’m not assuming I’m saying I personally

Wouldn’t be here telling anyone of y’all how to do it

[rapid belfry]

Hmmm no

[balmy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-no-gif-21780817

[rapid belfry]

Bios retain food decently well…because they’re fast

Eldering chat has lost their minds its official

[rapid radish]

https://tenor.com/view/puss-in-boots-cat-cute-kitty-begging-gif-14848029646905247904

[balmy moss]

Im killing all my dragons except one. When I get home.

[rapid belfry]

LOL NO

[balmy moss]

Science

[rapid belfry]

Zemper do it

[lost lichen]

what exactly were the latest clues in relation to bio?

[rapid belfry]

For science

It aint gonna work but for science ig

[rapid radish]

that bio cannot "complete" the first step

[red musk]

I'm not yet elder tho so gotta wait for a while xd

[small sedge]

ok so on the off chance that maybe you don't realize it, your tone constantly comes across as antagonistic and caustic and it's really not conducive to working together to figure this out when the way you present yourself isn't beneficial to group work, maybe work on that if you'd like to be part of this effort? please?

[lost lichen]

ok ty 😄

[rapid belfry]

Thank you so much.

[slender arrow]

I plan on using mine to fight in big fights so i might beat you to it

[balmy moss]

Let's all take a break?

[rapid belfry]

No

No sleep

[balmy moss]

No eldering for 1h?

[rapid belfry]

Sleep is for the weak

NO

NOOOOOO

[mellow dawn]

And polka never dies

[rapid belfry]

WE ARE SCIENTISTS. RESEARCHERS. CONESSEURS OR WHATEVER THE WORD IS.

[balmy moss]

Yes grasshopper

[rapid belfry]

😂😂😂SHUT UP I CANT SPELL

[slender arrow]

Just because you said please

[rapid belfry]

Alright. So lets quickly make a list of what we HAVE done. Everyone chip in please rq. I personally have
-thrown a bug from cloud height
-tried flaming the red and different colored bugs before killing and eating them.
-tried laying on a bug and roaring.

God this makes me sound like a psychopath but for science ig. Poor bugs.

[small sedge]

Let's be real, the bugs deserve it

[rapid radish]

@rough root

[rapid belfry]

No they def do

[lost lichen]

So, for my part, and in relation to the index on the bios, I will try in PVE (on the official Sanctuary server), to put my dragons in full elders by the ticks to see if that changes anything... I'll see you in 4 years XD

[slender arrow]

I am really really fighting my demons right now not to say a smart *** remark

[rapid belfry]

Just if this was a list of things id done in real life and admitted i would be locked in a mental facility

[slender arrow]

For this

[rapid belfry]

LOL

[lost lichen]

Can bio carry babies?

[rapid belfry]

Yes

[lost lichen]

damnit XD

[rapid belfry]

Still that wouldn’t be plausible cause it doesn’t have to do with other players. It can be done solo

[lost lichen]

I tried to make a nest at the top of the snowy mountain, and I brought back crabs for the female and the babies... it didn't work... X'D

[slender arrow]

Yo someone tag Jeo I’ll guy the 200 dollar skin right now if he tells us another hint lmfao 🤣

[lost lichen]

ahh true... :S

[slender arrow]

Omg that’s it that the first step

[proper patio]

They exist and yes they are trying

[slender arrow]

I still think it has to do with killling your self and regrowing to adult

[small sedge]

That's a potential theory! Would love to know your results when you get to test it out

[slender arrow]

In PvP it’s gonna. Happen sooner rather then later

[dusk ravine]

Guys I got it.

Step 1: Go to fallen over big tree
Step 2: find the invisible steps
Step 3: climb the steps on two adult dragons different gender same species
Step 4: 2 call each other to start challenge
Step 5: battle until near death
Step 6: create nest while under 10%
Step 7: hatch the male dragon into new baby
Step 8: Grow to adult
Step 9: follow mom around until you hit elder 🙂

No way this is satire definitely intuitive enough to be the answer 🙂

[slender arrow]

Be careful because the people in here will try this lmfao 🤣

[dusk ravine]

@rusty I think i labeled it enough, and it may be crazy but its just crazy enough

[lost lichen]

it's appreciable to see how pretentious you are here, without ever proposing anything constructive... it's almost fascinating...

[slender arrow]

I have presented evidence and suggestions on what it is . People are stuck on crystals and bios and take his hints and run with it and run to wall and say yeah I figured it out lol 😂

[balmy moss]

I say purge the chat history and start fresh

[slender arrow]

Everyone is stuck on things like “ lay on bugg” but then tell me my theory of the first step is being elder “ they look at me as nah your just dumb lmfao 🤣

Become that what you seek = me hmmmm elder

Become that what you seek = other people lay on bugg and 1 call

[slender arrow]

But you right I’m the pretentious one ☝️👍

[dusk ravine]

Yeah, at least i put together a well thought out plan.

[balmy moss]

No rusty, you bring out the worse in people. Good bye

[slender arrow]

I never once said that the only thing is become elder I said that it’s the first step all the other steps after is the millón dollar question

[dusk ravine]

and my plan could work if those invisible steps exist

[slender arrow]

It’s the only logical step

[proper patio]

Let's stay on topic, be kind about people's ideas regardless of how you feel about them, and move on. Otherwise I'm sure an admin/mod may jump in here

[lost lichen]

I don't think people told you something like that and if that's the case it's rubbish. And honestly I think like you. I'm going to try to become a full elder by ticks, and too bad if I would have wasted time X'D
but don't put down others, I don't find it cool or pleasant here. We are helping each other, good god! XD There's no point in breaking other people.

[lost lichen]

I suppose he didn't say if we had a message that was displayed when we succeeded in this first step? ^^'
Like with "you feel stronger", for elder tick?

[turbid copper]

No he didn't, but i think there should be

[balmy moss]

We can only hope.

[lost lichen]

😢

[wide canopy]

Im debunking you

SPAWN- 1
JUVENILE- 1
ADULT- 1
25% ELDER- 1
50% ELDER- 1
75% ELDER- 1
100% ELDER- 1

(7 Total)

Point ladder :)

[tall fossil]

is it normal that i got the 'you feel stronger' but no % in growth was added?

[rough root]

YES HELLO WHA

[tall fossil]

oh nvm i got it but it took a whi;e

while*

[small sedge]

sometimes it takes a hot second for it to show up, I've had mine delayed by maybe 30 seconds or something

[proper patio]

Sometimes it takes several seconds before it reflects. But there are also known issues of people not getting ticks at all... Aka me

[rapid radish]

The message below that ping; things that were done to the poor bugs xD

[rough root]

OH

[small sedge]

nothing the bugs didn't deserve

[rough root]

Done

Added

[rapid belfry]

bro imagine if this is it

[balmy moss]

Omw home to kill all my dragons

[rapid belfry]

smif dont

lol

[agile edge]

🫡

For science!

[balmy moss]

If it doesn't work, let it be known that I tried

[wide canopy]

No.. its just the point ladder

[small sedge]

^ Not to be a wet blanket but

[ruby rock]

this chat xD you get elder passively then you unlock the ability to elder

[sly cedar]

So still not found? Aight. Imma head out. Lol

[balmy moss]

or someone found it and aint telling 🙂

[pulsar swift]

well I can tell you, if I figure it out somehow I'll get myself banned from tagging people too much

Especially Crow, Iso and Smif since their names stuck with me now

[balmy moss]

im fine with that. ill join you

also fs is dead. nothing yet

[wide canopy]

Join a clan, hmu if you want one.

Also

Killing of ALL your dragons doesnt seem logical

Or endgame

Honestly blitz is around the corner, yall probably wont find it

[fading canyon]

Anything new?

[wide canopy]

Dm me

[wide canopy]

Nope just alot of failure and weird ideas sadly

[fading canyon]

i cri

[wide canopy]

Nope.

[languid spoke]

you can DM me too, i might have some time free this weekend

[balmy moss]

ok all my dragons are dead except ss. nothing yet

[tardy perch]

I've hit 50% to elder. Halfway there!

[wide canopy]

I can put money on it, thats not the method

[balmy moss]

if you say soo 🙂

[burnt sphinx]

Did we had/checkd a mushroom formation pointing into a direction befor?

[native yacht]

checked. nothing

theres some bent lil trees an even followed those

nothing

[balmy moss]

Killing and eating all your dragons except one doesn't work.

So we can check that off.

[chrome yarrow]

does it really make sense that the only way to elder faster is to elder passively? that sort of weird imo i dont know why youd achieve the end goal so to speak just so you can achieve it again....faster? seems like nonsense to me unles it was a universal unlock like mela.

why throw away what you already have just so you can get it faster it makes no sense

[burnt sphinx]

upstat

skinchange

[native yacht]

only elder with 18a

[chrome yarrow]

but to spend more than a month of logging onto on each individual species. seems like a big ask. Especially on PvP

i would only commit to that if i had exactly what i wanted not some trash E i spawned

[turbid copper]

Nope

[primal rain]

should be a 3 steps process, like unlocking mela, you do it once and then unlock for all dragons (be nested, be iconic, be it in one session), so if passively eldering is the first step, ppl still have to figured out the other 2

[chrome yarrow]

i unlocked mela on 2 servers without being nested

just spawned an iconic

i was surprised too

[tardy perch]

If the first step to UNLOCKING the faster method is to get to elder once o na species, it's not as terrible as it sounds. You'd only have to do it once per species per server. I dunno about you but I only main one server, so swapping between E spawns to get passive ticks isn't terrible. But we still have yet to confirm that's even the first step

If one already plays the game near daily, it's not a huge ask for the mto just grab a passive tick or too while they play (sometimes without even trying)

[rapid belfry]

Can we all agree we aren’t finding it and just- wait

[chrome yarrow]

i hope not or i wont be doing it lol, unless by accident its too much of an ask for me personally i cant speak for everyone else but i cant commit to that reliably

[primal rain]

that was a known bug that got corrected

[primal rain]

if that is really the case, we all have to spend at least around 25 days to elder as an ASD

[rapid belfry]

Its a HUGE ask. Thats telling people to no life a game thats JUST hit its 1.0

Like bro jao im sorry theres not that much content to keep me interested yet

For that long atleast

Constantly growing the same dragons over and over and over not to mention its hard to stay alive on pvp servers rn with megaclans

[turbid copper]

Yeah personally I don’t think that’s the method

PvP players would quit very quickly lol

[tardy perch]

I mean, some player sare already logging on daily to do OTHER stuff in the game. So it's not a huge ask so long as the game gets good enough for players ot wanna log on and play each day

It's not at that stage for me just yet (wanting on those fantasy servers), but once fantasy servers are in, I cna see myself playing daily, or close to daily

[burnt sphinx]

We arn't even sure yet if that is the actual first step xD and yet it sounds like ya're convinced THAT HOW ITS DONE We still need proof tests and results befor anything is set in stone <.< Befor that its just like everything befor a Theory

[limber valve]

Idk I don't see the point in 100% eldering passively (especially for each species on each server) to unlock active eldering

[steady rock]

someone already mentoned seeing these spots on the ground, i do have them as well, they appear when i go close to those blue cristals on the pillar (i'm 50% juvi on a pve server, grew without logging out so far)
did we rule these out?

[chrome yarrow]

yeah the blue crystal on the pillar is doing it

just a glitch

[steady rock]

kinda want to test it if other colors react to other dragons, or did someone already try it?

[chrome yarrow]

well i was an IR and Crow was a SS and we both saw them so do with that info what you want.

i havnt noticed it anywhere else

[rapid belfry]

These are just light leak glitches

Or could be lighting inside the cave?

[burnt sphinx]

So did we dismiss the smelling/sniffing allready for clues?

idk its been a while and i admit i forgot i had that screenshot ^^; but the serverchat & clan tryed to tell me that Yellow lines are for nests (500+hrs here) acting like i had no clue bout scent

i did dismiss em as corpse trails after that and never rly investigated further

[pearl root]

Yellow lines look diffrent

[burnt sphinx]

thats what i told em aswell but yea ~..~;

[languid spoke]

i mean, was the scent trail followed?

[burnt sphinx]

It was not followed as stated, Ive seen thoose lines also around Rivervalley (that closed off Bio Cave)

at the end of the stream

[steady rock]

those lines are corpses, i got them on an empty server as well where i was the only player, and they led me to one of my dead bodies

[languid spoke]

that's what i thought they were too

[whole sparrow]

yeah nesting is this yellow

[agile edge]

There was gore in front of me yesterday and when I smelled for lines, the smoke cloud over it was red. The gore was from a player who starved. So not sure if carcasses are orange like someone mentioned.

However someone did post a pic comparing orange to red and yellow…

🤔

[steady rock]

yeah the smoke was red for me too

tho those two lines might be the same, it's just the lighting that makes the right one redder, since it's against blue background

[burnt sphinx]

That pic is what reminded me off that occurance in my sniffin while i scrolled thro And why i thought it may be something

[agile edge]

I have yet to see any orange lines during my gameplay, but if I do, I’ll make sure to let you know

[wide canopy]

Orange lines arent eldering-

[burnt sphinx]

when i find thoose lines again i will follow to make sure if it leads to something or nothing 👍

[wide canopy]

I checked orange.

It aint elderin

Ya can check it off

from my experience its (with recent testing)
Sleeping Players (hardlogged) and or sound. For some reason

[agile edge]

If that was the case, I’d be smelling orange everywhere on pve

[celest knoll]

orange lines are mostly corpse...

[agile edge]

I’d explore the map more if I didn’t starve after a few mins lol

[mint tulip]

isnt red corpses?

[chrome yarrow]

red is players right? alive players?

[muted moat]

Red is bleed and a body

[mint tulip]

so maybe dead dragon

[muted moat]

It’s how we track someone bleeding on pvp lol

[mint tulip]

bleeding dragon too

uwu dergon

[muted moat]

I’ve only seen orange once and haven’t seen it since

But I was a hatchie so 🤷🏻‍♀️

[agile edge]

From what I’ve seen. Red is anything dead or bleeding. (Bodies, bugs, gore)

[agile edge]

Where did you smell the orange? (Just pure curiosity)

[muted moat]

br

[mint tulip]

the crystals?

BONK THEM

😛

[languid spoke]

the poor crystals

[mint tulip]

the real reason the elementals are angry at the dragons

[muted moat]

XD

[languid spoke]

for trying to procreate with crystals to become elder? yea, i'd be mad too

[mint tulip]

oh no it was recreational bonking :V

[languid spoke]

even worse

heard rumor the crystals were trying to leave

cause, they're deffo not part of eldering lol, many tried everything with them

[wide canopy]

Wt u mean by that.

[native yacht]

THERE WILL BE NO BONKING OF THE CRYSTALS.

they've had enough bonking

[rough root]

Leave the poor crystals alooooone 😭

[languid spoke]

they've been violated enough

[mint tulip]

bonking will continue until morale improves elder is revealed

[mellow dawn]

Did we ever get cords on the orange scent lines?

[dense current]

Ive only ever seen them outside of arch cave. But i also dont really sniff for bugs anymore as i have a lot of the bug locations memorized

[mint tulip]

soooooooooon

all our attempts will be thrown out

and we will have to start from square one?

[muted moat]

i can go back near the pond and try

cuz idk the cords off the top of my head

[native yacht]

describe the pond

[muted moat]

it was one of the hatchie ones near big rock

[native yacht]

in a bunch of trees?

or in an opening?

[muted moat]

trees

[native yacht]

ok got it

[steady rock]

i'm at arch cave, sniffed everywhere but no orange lines

[native yacht]

same nothing at BR

[languid spoke]

thought we were told it wasn't a place

[steady rock]

if it's not a place then it must be something we need to do... which shortens the list a lot, and makes it even more unlikely we didn't tried it yet

[acoustic holly]

It’s not a place because a place can be camped. And it was explicitly and now repeatedly stated that it cannot be camped.

[steady rock]

then IT can't be a "hidden nps", anything to do with the cristals, can't be "hunt or hoard bugs", can't be "do this ritual", can't be flying related because of drakes, can't be fighting because of pve, can't be nesting because it's not soloable... what's left? Eating, drinking, sleeping, walking, spamming emotes...

[languid spoke]

it's difficult to figure out but cool to do

[steady rock]

Did Jao ever mention that there is another method? I know he said eldering is in the game, and IT is, through passive, and he said "it's meant to be endgame, so I made IT endgame and removed the mushroom camping part" which mentions taking away from IT, but I don't remember hím saying he added a New method

[languid spoke]

from what i've heard there is supposed to be an active method in the game currently

[steady rock]

From who? Jao said IT?

[languid spoke]

that's what i've seen others mention

i think he said it and someone heard it

[steady rock]

We need to trace IT back to the source, rumor is a fickle thing

[novel oak]

its 95% that there is eldering activly from stuff that he has said, not the words directly but heavily implied

[languid spoke]

those were in gen chat

that implies it is active

[stray notch]

yo my guys someone sent me this and i totally forgot this channel exists, sooo anything new?!

other than this pic LOL

[slender arrow]

He wrote this on this channel so everyone knows

[stray notch]

BRO, HOW can we figure out the "first step"

like, its something so random or so hard or we are so unfamilar with etc etc... that we cant guess?!

is that right, or is it something so reasonable that can be guessed. this must be confirmed by jao

[stray notch]

my idea was like

you know that game when for example someone hides a paper with some riddle written on it, it will then take u to something else written and all the way to ur destination

[wide canopy]

Its everywhere in the map.

Again.

Elder system is NOT campable.

Orange scent lines are not elder related..

[proper patio]

not necessarily. Non-campable does not necessarily mean non location based if whatever the step(s) is client based or per account

Idk if anyone here plays FF14, but you can trigger events and while other players can sometimes see say enemies from your event, they cant interact with them. Something like that is what I suspect

[mellow dawn]

It could also pay off seemingly random locations that’s such a large number of possibilities that it could be traditionally campable

[fading canyon]

Just out of curiosity, but can bios wash off the bile of other bios? like you can with other dragons in water

[viral lark]

Yes

[keen spire]

Did u try eat any elder dragon?

[tardy perch]

I know when I get my elder, whn I deam myself no longer of use alive, I will let everyonein the server come and consume my corpse, just in case that is actually it. I highly doubt it is, but hey, won't hurt to try

[pliant yoke]

Ngl if i was on rn id just start sniffing everywhere, in the sky, on the ground, in caves or whereever until i see smth yellow appear

Do bios deal dmg??

Ok just figured out they cant and didn't jao say that bios cant take the first step or whatever? Feel like it must be with dealing dmg or killing smth then

The only thing bio cant do but others can is dealing dmg

Or maybe we have to bite smth since bio cant bite aswell

[wide canopy]

Again. Non campable.

Also you cant sniff mid-air..

[wide canopy]

We tried everything dmg wise

[wide canopy]

Not the only thing last I checked.

[turbid copper]

It has nothing to do with PvP

[pliant yoke]

If its nth with biting or dmg then tell me what else bio cant do but others can

[pliant yoke]

Meant biting and dealing dmg to AI

[turbid copper]

Ah I wanted to reply to a photo

I meant to eating other dragon

[pliant yoke]

What else cant bio do but other dragons can?

[wide canopy]

I cant get it off the top of my head, im half asleep but I’m aware it cant do other things.

Try askin sumone else xd

[pliant yoke]

So it has to do smth with dealing dmg and/or biting

As first step

[wide canopy]

Its not pvp related

[pliant yoke]

as i already said...

[pliant yoke]

.

[red musk]

it cant get elder progress

it cant get agro from bugs

[balmy moss]

no

[lime viper]

been a week gone any new ideas?

[balmy moss]

Not really

New hints

Clarified hints

[lime viper]

Imagine if it would be a special bug spawn, that has a 0,001% chance to randomly spawn from our bug spawns

[balmy moss]

Can the bio hurt itself flying into the ground or trees?

[lime viper]

yes xD

[red musk]

There already is a special bug spawn, most people seem to call them boss bugs, they have more health and hold more food, and I'm pretty sure deal more damage

[balmy moss]

I killed and ate all my dragons except my ss. So I got nothing.

[pliant yoke]

bios ... :

• cant eat corpses and shrooms
• cant deal dmg / bite
• cant gain elder progress
• can only smell water and flowes
• cant poison itself / get sick
• can't gain bug agro

[lime viper]

yeah they take like 2 bites to kill

[lime viper]

they also can only smell water and flowes

[red musk]

Can't gain elder progress and can't gain bug agro

[pliant yoke]

can bio poison itself?

nah right?

[compact berry]

Nah

[red musk]

Without eating? Nah

[balmy moss]

Technically..... the bio can't be poisoned

Cause it can't eat mushrooms

[red musk]

We will see when the venom drakes get added xd

[lime viper]

I dont think they would go back to elder shrooming xD

(I hope)

[balmy moss]

Who says it not just mushrooms. It's a process.

Expanded the elder system

[lime viper]

iirc jao said he wanted it more to be dragon like... no more elder mushrooms

[balmy moss]

Good luck

[lime viper]

toxic

[red musk]

I don't know... I see a lot of dragons whenever I eat mushrooms. Sounds dragon like to me xd

[lime viper]

ayoo the good shrooms??

[pliant yoke]

i forgot some ppl could get seizures or whatever, my bad

[red musk]

Was about to say yea xd

[lime viper]

yeah nw

[balmy moss]

Hmm what if we need to reach elder? Lol

Regulated elder statement

[red musk]

With everything jeo has said about this eldering system it just makes so much sense that this is the first step

[lime viper]

The question is, if the smelling is even huge topic since the Broodmother dragon is designed as herbivore (?) and it might not be able to even smell bugs (but then again it is not ingame yet sooo)

[balmy moss]

I think I have 35 more days til elder on my ss

[red musk]

I would absolutely despise if this is the case tho

[pliant yoke]

i dont think it has smth to do with poison/shrooms

[lime viper]

didnt someone already reach elder? (on a 2x boosted server)

[red musk]

The first step might unlock an ability to smell something different?

[balmy moss]

We've for the most part ignored mushrooms.

[lime viper]

but then again what is the first step xD

[pliant yoke]

i tried everything w shroom, nth happened

[red musk]

I think it's highly likely that the first step is becoming elder

[balmy moss]

That's good info. How sick were you?

[pliant yoke]

50%

[lime viper]

then again shrooms are definitely campable

[fierce violet]

I doubt it. Since the original timeline to figure out the method was going to be about 2/3 weeks and passive eldering takes longer than that.

[pliant yoke]

i got multiple ppl with atleast 1% elder smell across the whole map and they found nth

[turbid copper]

Yeah, why it would have something to do with mushrooms if they are campable and we had those in legacy lol

[red musk]

I hope i am incorrect because it would be hell to deal with

[red musk]

I think 25% or 100% would be needed

[pliant yoke]

?

i meant 1% elder

by passive tick

[red musk]

Yea me too

[pliant yoke]

whyd it be 100%?

[balmy moss]

Anything to do with elder passive is just scary to me, but it does has its merits

[lime viper]

Well we had a lot of people with 25% elder passive ticks try stuff already and Jao said he thinks noone has done the first step yet

[red musk]

He said he don't know actually

[pliant yoke]

but what in the world could be smth most likely no one has done yet?

[lime viper]

yeab but since it has been a.. few weeks since the update drop it is thinkable that at least the PvE people got full passive ticks from all those weeks

[pliant yoke]

or atleast not a lot of ppl

[red musk]

It's a multistep process, the first step is something a bio can't do, that that reason and a few other things jeo has said I think it's reaching either 25% or 100% elder that is the first step

[balmy moss]

And to be clear.. we are assuming the first step is after we reach adult...

There is no spoon

[red musk]

Would be really funny if the first step required you to be juvi

[pliant yoke]

i bet some ppl are def already or very close to elder from passive ticks

so thats def not the step

even if, whyd u wanna elder if ur an elder already

[balmy moss]

There are elders

[pliant yoke]

also its soloable

[lime viper]

I would count "reach adult" not as step but as basic requirement for eldering

[pliant yoke]

mhm

[lime viper]

Its like: ok you are adult now... look for the step/thing that unlocks the elder progress for your dragon

[pliant yoke]

yes i think so too

but again..

whats the first step

[balmy moss]

Ok here's a doozy. Bio cant complete the first step. Only the first step. Not bio can't complete the process. What's the first step for any dragon. Hear me out

"Spawning in" why

[red musk]

It would unlock the process, maybe for that one dragon or maybe all dragons in that server. My view on the whole thing is colored by mainly playing on pvp and there you are expected to lose your elders

[balmy moss]

If spawning in is the first step. Why can't the bio complete it?

Part!

Part of the first step

[turbid copper]

Because bio can't elder

[pliant yoke]

i dont think jao would that to be the first step tbh

[balmy moss]

Not everyone has keys to the bio to spawn in

[pliant yoke]

but some ppl do

[balmy moss]

Please just humor me.

[pliant yoke]

sorry but tbh i think ur wrong

it just doesnt sound like smth jao would add

[balmy moss]

I understand. But at the same time what you just said makes jao's hint redundant. Do you get what im saying

Now the problem with this theory is that it most likely makes it passive.cause it would be a spawn only which I don't like

So im gonna drop it

[chrome yarrow]

i dont know if we were still wondering about scent line colors but i was messing around on the test branch and got a screen of blood vs corpse scent lines

the blood is the brighter orange the corpses are darker red

[bold tusk]

What Jao said could also be coded side. Because bio is coded to not elder at all. So realistically they could do the same things that other's are doing (unless it's eating stuff other than flowers.) for example: glide for x distance. Bio can do it but it does nothing for them. (just as an example) The sucky thing is with Jao's hint is that can be determined in multiple ways xD

[pliant yoke]

brighter orange? more looks like yellow tbh

[balmy moss]

.

If I came across aggressive, I'm sorry. It's just while I'm trying to work a theory out and I hear, "but the bio can't elder." I take 2d6 Psychic damage.

[chrome yarrow]

thats cus its all stacked

[pliant yoke]

what if with clues they meant clues to find other players cus its bleed etc?

[chrome yarrow]

the yellow ones are nests

[bold tusk]

yellow is like: 🙂

[balmy moss]

That's what cipher thought too yesterday. Which I liked. But

[chrome yarrow]

this photo shows yellow

[red musk]

Should compare it with bugs, because a dead bug and a half eaten dragon looked different to me

[pliant yoke]

yellow is nesting AND clues

[balmy moss]

Ok. What do we assume about the elder system?
We assume it's active not passive.

We hope. We don't k ow 100%

[bold tusk]

Yea cause "The first step cannot be completed by a biolumin" So meaning that Jao means either: Program wise Bio can't elder (common knowledge), or physical wise

[bold tusk]

Jao said the elder system is an active grindable thing

• outside of passive ticks

[red musk]

It would be weird to have 2 passive systems

Jeo should hire someone why is really good with riddles and have them craft a long eldering riddle

[balmy moss]

Myth im sorry. That makes jao hint worthless and redundant if it because "it can't elder." But what else?

[lime viper]

I mean most of the hints did not get us any further xD

[balmy moss]

No but at the same time those hints took alot off the board

[lime viper]

we did get some clarification now on some things but we still are basically at step 1

[balmy moss]

Imagine how much time we would have wasted on stats pvp and nesting

Yes lol

[lime viper]

well that has been said for a long time now, that eldering needs to work on all maps meaing PvE, PvP and Solo PvP