New Elder System

[last minnow]

if this is the message, this gives us a location, next step if to figure out what to do BEFORE going here

[rapid radish]

he never said anything about craters!

[last minnow]

because what jao said, you have to do something then go somewhere

this is a location that we may have something on

so we could have to go somewhere bit

but whats the do something bit

[rapid radish]

the screenshot is taken in elder forest

[languid spoke]

this is where it all started for y'all. and this person is no longer on the server

[last minnow]

right, we have a set location now

[rapid radish]

The location is not the craters 😄

[languid spoke]

read from there

[last minnow]

but we need to know what to do

[last minnow]

we dont know that

you are meant to do something the go somewhere

[languid spoke]

all the messages and translations are below the post i just replied to

[rapid radish]

no, but Eon never said anything about craters

[last minnow]

if nobody did anything, going to the location could be useless

[compact kindle]

We have the coords, and weve been to craters and the coords

[last minnow]

i never said anything about craters, im saying we have possible info on a location

[rapid radish]

everybody tried to find anything in the screenshot's location

[languid spoke]

we went to the location from the screenshot

a lot of us

[rapid radish]

and the craters

[compact kindle]

We all did various things ^

[last minnow]

we are missing what to do **before ** we go there, jao said and i quote "you have to do (REDACTED) then obv go to (REDACTED)

[languid spoke]

#1209681807746801724 message

go through all the messages see if you find something we missed lol

[compact kindle]

What we are saying is that a very large group of us, had tried every method we could think of regarding the info given by this player and no one turned up anything

[rapid radish]

good luck with this then 😄

[compact kindle]

It was like a 2 day venture

[languid spoke]

it was an entire rabbit hole

[compact kindle]

So unless you have an idea that hasnt been tried already with that information, we see it as a deadend and someone trolling

On a side note, a question related to lore - Is there a special word or term they used for "Elders" or did they literally just call them elders?

[languid spoke]

i haven't read it all through, but i thought elder??

[vernal cargo]

Has anyone scouted through the game files yet? I havent found anything regardi9ng eldering

[compact kindle]

Like Datamining?

Someone spoke of it before, but I dont think it lead anywhere I wasnt really watching the conversation around then

[vernal cargo]

Maybe, I tried to see if my logs showed anything interesting regarding loading interesting assets or anything in that manner

[compact kindle]

Oh like server logs or?

I am NOT tech savy when it comes to any kind of game file stuff

[vernal cargo]

no savelogs I think it was, users_appdata

me neither but i did what I did lmao

[compact kindle]

Oh user save data is encrypted to my knowledge, I would not eeven begin to understand it

[vernal cargo]

C:\Users\49174\AppData\Local\Dragons\Saved\Logs

thats what I searched for

you can open and look at the filed

[compact kindle]

Oh on your computer, does it actually open up your cahracter information? I was under the assumption that characters/Dragons are saved server side and not user side

[vernal cargo]

i can look at it

[compact kindle]

If youre looking for event triggering that would be something logged under server files rather than player I think, but likely not in a way readable or that gives any form of information that would stem you to solve the riddle given to us

But thats an uneducated opinion on my part

[vernal cargo]

I have no exact idea of what im looking at either tbh but I was just searching for something related to eldering after flying over the map and trying out stuff

[compact kindle]

Ahh fair enough, yeah I think that might be a server side thing still but I have no idea

[bleak python]

its likely named something different than

"elder"

[rapid radish]

Like "redacted" xD

[compact kindle]

This would hands down make me laugh

Thats the kinda dry humor I love

[languid spoke]

i'd honestly laugh too

[minor hinge]

redacted; redacting; redacts
Synonyms of redact
transitive verb

1
: to put in writing : FRAME
2
: to select or adapt (as by obscuring or removing sensitive information) for publication or release
broadly : EDIT
3
: to obscure or remove (text) from a document prior to publication or release

a person of greater age than someone specified:
"schoolchildren were no less fascinated than their elders" · "take a bit of advice from your elders and betters"
a person of advanced age.
SIMILAR:
senior
old/older person
(ELDERS)
a leader or senior figure in a tribe or other group:
"a council of village elders"

[deep cargo]

I just flew threw the massive crack/ravine thing and gained 1% of Elder growth. Like flew through it like an x wing out of star wars with the death star. I don't think it was a 12 hour growth bump, but it may have been. Can someone confirm?

For reference when I logged on I had 1.2% growth. After flying through the area I was at 2.5

[crystal ibex]

What dragon?

[deep cargo]

SS

[rapid radish]

Can someome else test this with a SS?

[crystal ibex]

I don't have an adult SS sadly. What were your mutation points in?

[crisp narwhal]

That might be the trial of Agility.

[crystal ibex]

I was thinking that. Like great prowess of going through the ravine

And other places that have obstacles maybe

[dry mauve]

It was in patreon chat

[deep cargo]

Perhaps yes. Would be great if someone else tested

[lost lichen]

But, what about to go to the top of high mountains? it’s also a feat! or fly above the clouds.. I tried and got nothing... I will try to fly in the canyon when my new dragon is adult 🙂

[crystal ibex]

It may be tracked by skirting the edges of collision maps

at least while flying

[deep cargo]

If it was a 12 hour thing it would've been immediate upon logging in yes?

[rapid radish]

Was it on an official server or a server with growth boost btw?

[deep cargo]

Offical

[rapid radish]

Not if you weren't away full 12hrs

[ionic trench]

time to try flying through ravine
claimed my 12hr tick on the way over, lets see if i get anything in addition

[deep cargo]

Cool

[languid spoke]

they did ravine dirty

[cold summit]

I just tried and i didnt get anything

[sick escarp]

From west to east or from east to west?

[turbid copper]

Ravine is not done yet

[languid spoke]

i was hoping it wasn't lol

[crystal ibex]

Did anyone have points in agile while doing this?

[cold summit]

i did

[deep cargo]

@sick escarp East to West

[turbid copper]

I mean it looks like it’s not

[cold summit]

had 1, 1 and 1 in all stats

[crystal ibex]

hmm

[cold summit]

oh but i did west to east

[languid spoke]

plot twist, they leave it that way

[turbid copper]

Lol

[languid spoke]

i did a couple fly throughs on it, just looking for anything

[short pine]

From Lusewing's tour with Echo, basically every place that seems empty is intentionally empty and will be expanded on

[languid spoke]

that's what i was thinking yea

[turbid copper]

Yes

[ionic trench]

well. I gained. 0.1%.

[deep cargo]

Oh damn

[ionic trench]

gonna fly through again to make sure it wasn't just bad timing on opening the menu

[crystal ibex]

Was anyone holding the right mouse click while doing this? I've been trying to test that theory with targetting emotes with social skill points

[deep cargo]

Could it be based on close flying In general? I've flown through many tight spaces and maybe the ravine was enough to proc the last bit?

[rapid radish]

Where are your points?

[crystal ibex]

It may be needing to get very close to collision maps yeah

[knotty pulsar]

Echo wants to build a flight course in ravine

[turbid copper]

Yeah I think it’s gonna be much larger

[ionic trench]

points in agility

[crystal ibex]

I imagine Arch could be used in the same way. Just go very close to the rocks

[rapid radish]

all of them?

[ionic trench]

didn't get anything second fly through :/ gonna try another server

[ionic trench]

all 3

[languid spoke]

my friend already found a new "arch" challenge that's not an arch

[crystal ibex]

A ha! That was my theory. Mutation points in places play a part

The amount you get per action is probably based on how many points you have in a skill tree

Meaning that someone could have one in each skill but get little progress, but still be able to get progress by doing social, agile, and scavenger activities

While someone with all three points in one could only progress with that

[rapid radish]

How many points you have in agility?

[rapid radish]

btw, you were trying with a SS? 🙂

[deep cargo]

@rapid radish All

[crystal ibex]

I thought so

[ionic trench]

yes

[rapid radish]

Sorry for the pings, just collecting data 😅

[cold summit]

doing the ravine route again gave me no %

[rapid radish]

Maybe there's a timer?

[fresh marsh]

i dont think the active system is in the game yet, or its bugged

[turbid copper]

I don’t believe it’s this tbh

[crystal ibex]

AiElyChan, you may be getting 0.01 percent because you only have one point in Agile

Which won't show up

[cold summit]

mmm i guess ill do it 8 more times lol

[rapid radish]

Timer like with the shrooms, so you couldn't get elder fast 🤔

[deep cargo]

I flew low like I'm the middle of the ravine didn't hit any walls

[turbid copper]

If it’s this, then how it would work on pve where everyone puts all the points in social?

[crystal ibex]

If it does have a timer per location, there are other obstacles to fly through on the map

Target emoting

That's my theory

[deep cargo]

@turbid copper Maybe they have different trials for the traits like tea is saying

[ionic trench]

Tried again different server, 3 points agi SS
no dice, not even 0.01%

[cold summit]

if youre aiming at eldering a specific dragon, youd put your points in agile, then when elder you have 4 extra points for social

[turbid copper]

And social would be? What, nesting?

[rapid radish]

Well you get 7 points, maybe you need to put points in agile too 🤔

[fresh marsh]

on my dve server everyone has nested everywhere every which way, they would have found out if it was a trial just for social

[turbid copper]

Yes

Exactly

[fresh marsh]

and if it were in i feel like a dev would have confirmed

[crystal ibex]

Yeah, that's why I thought it may also take into account if you target emote

[fresh marsh]

but no one has been able to actually confirm the system is in the game right now

[deep cargo]

Okay. This means it's not the area it's the action. Slow flying close to walls for a set time?

[crystal ibex]

I think so

[deep cargo]

I'd bet everything that's one way to get a %. The game auto tracks your time spent flying in tight spaces I believe

[crystal ibex]

I imagine ASD would have to find logs and run through them

Yeah that could be it!

[ionic trench]

flythrough #2, no luck again, no increase

[deep cargo]

Can anyone confirm the exact growth you'd get for 12 hour intervals? Is it 1.2%?

[fresh marsh]

its different for each dragon

[deep cargo]

For SS then

[fresh marsh]

IR is 0.9

on official

[ionic trench]

IR is 0.9 on 1.0 growth

[crystal ibex]

I can't remember what SS is

[fresh marsh]

asd is around 2%

[rapid radish]

2.1

[deep cargo]

Shadow scale is 1.2 I believe

[crystal ibex]

So that would only make 2.4, and it was said that it was 2.5 after ravine flying

[deep cargo]

Which means the .1% might be accurate from Hyaneidae

I just got .1% from flying and my 12 hour interval at the same time

[crystal ibex]

Y'know, it may have a cooldown of 12 hours per location.

[fresh marsh]

i think ss migtht be 1.3

[deep cargo]

On ss I'm sitting on 2.5% atm

[crystal ibex]

If it was 1.3 it would be 2.7

[deep cargo]

It's 1.2

[crystal ibex]

with the .1%

[fresh marsh]

could be like 1.34

[deep cargo]

Cause that would line up with Hyaneindae

[crystal ibex]

Yep!

[fresh marsh]

im fairly certain my ss had 1.3 after the first tick though

[deep cargo]

I know yesterday I had 1.2. But, maybe you did some good flying ti earn .1%?

[fresh marsh]

i can grow another ss just to double check

i just dont want you guys to waste your time on a dead end if i can help it

[crystal ibex]

Zalastrus, you could have also gotten an extra tick from something after the first one and just didn't notice?

[fresh marsh]

nah, ive been keeping a pretty close eye

[crystal ibex]

hmm

[rapid radish]

My SS has 3.8% and I don't know if I have 2 or 3 passive ticks 😅

[fresh marsh]

im the only one on my server not nesting, cause even though i 100% think its just not in the game yet, ive been trying to prove myself wrong

[deep cargo]

Hmm nobody knew the base 12 hour intervals % you get before doing all these tests?

[fresh marsh]

after two ticks and very little flying my ss is at 2.5%

[rapid radish]

it could be 1.26% then, if I have 3 ticks 🤔

maybe

[fresh marsh]

i have different dragons at different bloodline grades getting ticks now

[crystal ibex]

oooooh

[fresh marsh]

asd at E ss at C and ir at A

[deep cargo]

The key is with Hyaenidae then. Cause in my initial post I said I didn't know if I had just gotten my 12 hour tick. Are you sure you gained .1%? @ionic trench

[crystal ibex]

Y'know, going off what Zalastus is saying. Bloodlines and stats could increase the ticks

That's why people have been confused about how much each tick is

[fresh marsh]

this one easy to check, my IR only has one tick, one second

[ionic trench]

i'm not, that's why i tried it on a second server, and the second one got nothing. so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh marsh]

its at 0.9%

[crystal ibex]

huh

[fresh marsh]

ticks are the same across bloodlines at least

[turbid copper]

Idk man, but I play everyday and other than passive ticks I ain’t got anything else

[crystal ibex]

What skin does you ir have?

[fresh marsh]

crimson

[crystal ibex]

Maybe iconic and the patreon skins have the default tick?

I honestly have no idea

[last minnow]

that makes no sense

[crystal ibex]

I'm aware

But I have no other ideas rn

[rapid radish]

I have now confirmed that the SS passive tick is 1.2%; I just got my passive tick and it went from 3.8% to 5.0%

(still possible it's 1.26%)

Now I will try to go to the ravine and not get stuck 😅

No points in agility tho

[crystal ibex]

Yeah, can try at least

[rapid radish]

easto to west it is

[crystal ibex]

If it was 1.26% then your third tick would only be 3.7, I think? I'm bad at math though

[deep cargo]

So that .1% tick is from tight flying?

Interesting

[fresh marsh]

i had trhe same % without any flying

the*

its just rounding up or down going on that we cant see i think

[deep cargo]

You must've done something different then. 🤔

[fresh marsh]

i dont think so

i only log on myu ss to get ticks

my*

it hasnt done much other than grow

[last minnow]

i tried, didnt get any special tick

[frail salmon]

Sounds very interesting that you must fly through tight areas to get an elder tick. How many tight areas do we know? Ravine is one and Arch is one.

[rapid radish]

3.78% and that would round up to 3.8%

[ionic trench]

lol found a "community" server with what smells like hacked in elders
so much for encryption

[rapid radish]

east to west?

[rapid radish]

maybe report it then? If they have growth disabled tho, then it's legit

[ionic trench]

growth enabled, and they were rather rude

[rapid radish]

do you have points in agility?

[last minnow]

OH ur testing that theroy

no i didnt do any of that

[crystal ibex]

Yeah, we're currently testing that.

[compact kindle]

Whats the current theory?

[proper imp]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1067228836632219678/1077336245212037251/slither_medium_pers_texture.gif

[crystal ibex]

That putting the mutation points in specific places will influence the activities you do. Such as very tight flying, target emoting, and whatever works for scavenger

[compact kindle]

Interesting

[crystal ibex]

At least it's the best lead I have. I've tried so many things my brain hurts lol

[minor hinge]

scavenger will be food or biger pray look at the Ir it eat alot

[deep cargo]

Maybe drinking from each different large body of water? For scavenger

[crystal ibex]

Possible! And it might be that each area has it's own cooldown or something like that

[devout anvil]

what kind of tight flying are we talking?

My shadowscale has 3/4 in speed and i fly between trees and through the BR cave a lot LOL

i've only ever gained 12 hr ticks

[crystal ibex]

Going through the ravine without touching the sides, through trees, through arch

[devout anvil]

yeah

[crystal ibex]

Do you have points in agile?

[devout anvil]

Yeah

all 3

[crystal ibex]

hmm

[devout anvil]

3/4 lol

i've done a lot of experimenting

[crystal ibex]

Yeah, we're trying to figure out the locations

[devout anvil]

• tried drinking from every cave watersource (there's only like 2, but i found a new lil cave in River, so that's neat

• tried touching the aurora borealis (I hit the skybox ceiling.. :<)

• tried flying across the entire map entirely above the clouds

• tried sniffing around the craters near Misty (and just generally spending time in/around them)

especially the big one ^

[fresh marsh]

i tried jumping into clouds from the peak as asd

[devout anvil]

LOL

[fresh marsh]

and howling atr the moon

at*

[devout anvil]

didn't someone mention
"you have to get (REDACTED) then go to (REDACTED)" or something along the lines of that?

quoting jao ^

[fresh marsh]

im guessing its tied into the questing system we dont have yet

[devout anvil]

lovely

so maybe the second eldering method doesn't actually exist LOL

or was supposed to before questing got BEAMED back

[fresh marsh]

im sure it does, i just dont think its in yet

OR its bugged, it would be a hard bug to find

[devout anvil]

right

i wonder uh

i always kinda theorized that the larger scrabs might have something to do with it

[fresh marsh]

but ive seen people try pretty much every way we have to interact with the game

[devout anvil]

the scrabs that take 2 bites to eat instead of one

yk what i mean

maybe taking one somewhere??

idek

LOL

[minor hinge]

ok i tink i kown what the Social (formerly Fertile) for. As Yoda once said, "Pass on what you have learned."

so do we get % of elder ever time we make a nest ?

[crisp narwhal]

I don't think so. I made a nest last night and my growth didn't go up.

[sly cedar]

But that would require another player to assist you...

[compact kindle]

Nesting doesnt give elder progress no

[minor hinge]

well it was shot at it

[crisp narwhal]

To be fair so would anything involving social.

[sly cedar]

True. Just not sure of they would tie elder progress to requiring another person.

[elder star]

You too?

Thought I was alone with that

[crisp narwhal]

Me either, but what would it be?

[minor hinge]

i dont kown if this a glich or what it is

and why is there just 1 bug here

i kill it.It back as red or black bug

[sly cedar]

I really don't know. 😦 I have it in my head that it is time of day based... or part of it.

[sly cedar]

The collision for that rock may be too big or just simply too far off. Not exactly a glitch. The floor was coded in at the wrong points for that spot. Hence it looks like you float lol.

[elder star]

I got an idea, what if it is in the game but blocked by the placed stones. We know that there was supposed to be more caves and they even said there was going to be caves in places where they aren't yet. My theory is either bathing in the light of the crystals for at a certain time of day to get your tick or drinking from a water source in one of the caves. Idk just something involving the areas not accessible because I've read through most of the chat and that's all I can come up with

[languid spoke]

i'd considered that, but supposedly it is available now

[elder star]

In the game yes. available tho?

[sly cedar]

If Jao put it in, but locks it off form us until something else is in the game, I'd be pretty upset... and I don't really worry about Eldering or stats that much...

[languid spoke]

i'm pretty sure if it wasn't available he would have said so

[minor hinge]

what if thay copy the comic book ?

[sly cedar]

Wut? Elaborate

[sly cedar]

Well first off, based on this panel alone. Elementals aren't in yet. Lol

[minor hinge]

it dont have to be Elementals but just a rock it self

[devout anvil]

i've definitely shot at lotsa rocks

[wintry turtle]

When eon said something about cleaning the circles I flew over to the impacts and used up all my bile all over the area, nothing happened

However I did get a random .8% added to my elder growth after I had already gotten my elder tick and Idk what I did

[sly cedar]

Retrace your steps. Think of every action you've done...

[wintry turtle]

I did

I tried everything, nothing made it go up more

I first noticed it after I went flying around elder forest and stopped at 3 of the clearings

Flew around the border of the map, flew to every named spot, anything that could've possibly been a thing I went to it, nothing made the % go up but I have absolutely 0 idea where the .8% came from and it pissed me off😭

[fresh marsh]

I'm thinking it's the opposite, I think if it were in we would have had confirmation

[languid spoke]

he hasn't said it isn't in

[fresh marsh]

Hasn't said it is either

[languid spoke]

and haven't the mods themselves said that it's in?

[fresh marsh]

Not that I could find, just that they didn't know what it was

[languid trout]

There are definitely caves. One is in bug reports even

[fresh marsh]

I haven't seen any confirmation at all that it is in the game currently

[wintry turtle]

Fandom said it is in, but idk if they were just joking or what. There's an ss of them saying it in this thread

[fresh marsh]

I would absolutely love to be proven wrong

[languid spoke]

i'm just here lol

i've said before i thought it wasn't in yet, but then mods have said it is

Jao has yet to say it's not in, so i'm going with it is

[fresh marsh]

He also hasn't said it IS in

And i feel like with some of the other negativity they are getting they would want to confirm eldering is in to give people something to do

But I could also be just be pessimistic

[minor hinge]

so is this a lie then

[compact berry]

the elder system is in rn

[sly cedar]

I wish when he was on my server last night, that I had asked him, "without saying what it is, if you have been following the Elder thread, are we close or way off from finding it?" LOL it would have been SOMETHING.

https://tenor.com/view/dr-evil-austin-powers-gif-9140683

[fresh marsh]

There we go then, everyone back to work!

[compact berry]

https://tenor.com/view/get-back-to-work-gif-12229282

[delicate bridge]

Real question is if it’s possible with current stuff, like how we have the weather system in but not really active in a sense if yk what i mean

Well asides from the passive tic at least

[fresh marsh]

I'm assuming it is

Going to search around on my asd some more tonight

[crystal ibex]

Still trying to figure things out, brain hurts lol

[whole hearth]

I need to grow my SS again... but when that is done I'll check later today around the map again or by obvious spots atleast

[fresh marsh]

searching around now

my growth bar at the bottom popped up when i was emoting at the jellyfish, but i dont know if i gained any growth or not, i forgot to check what i was at when i logged on

and im sure people have tried that so im going to go with coincidence

also couldnt reproduce it on my ss

[fading trench]

what dragon were u on when u did this

[fresh marsh]

ASD

i tried the 1, 2, and 3 call a couple of times

while aiming at them with right click

[fast geyser]

U guys sure its in?

[fresh marsh]

according to this, yes

[crystal ibex]

"So you guys have to GROW TO ADULT, then you obviously have to go to WATER to get A PEARL" maybe..

It was confirmed it was in earlier

[compact berry]

[fresh marsh]

sorry, i didnt know it would ping you, was just directing them to the message, next time ill screen shot

[timber laurel]

What if we're all being REALLY dumb, And the eldering that is "in the game right now" is quite literally just passive ticks?

They said it wouldn't be campable. Passive eldering isn't campable..

[civic niche]

Supposedly there was an active way to elder

[crystal ibex]

What if you could find and equip a pearl, and then do the activities that we've been trying to do? Like it would be an active buff

[civic niche]

Passive ticks are just the only thing that's been confirmed to work

[crystal ibex]

err passive buff

[fresh marsh]

and we were talking about the active way when the mod replied with that

[fast geyser]

So is there an aktive way to elder in rn or is the way to elder by passive ticks?

[compact berry]

Yes

[fast geyser]

Okay thanks

[civic niche]

Do you know what it is or only the devs know?

[compact berry]

Only the big man himself knows

I wish i knew

[civic niche]

Oh really

I thought maybe the other devs like parrot would know too

[compact berry]

Well parrot plays the game too so makes sense she doesn't know either

[civic niche]

Fair, well i guess we all get to be surprised xD

[crystal ibex]

So, IF we go with the pearl theory since it's a feature that was talked a lot about and people who don't have ks or pt don't have one, I think the "Elder pearl" can only be seen in water and maybe while you've eaten a mushroom. I just think the mushroom thing because I rarely see a body of water that doesn't have one near it.

The pearl could be a random spawn per dragon

[civic niche]

Hive do you know if other pearls are in? I was under the impression only skin pearls are in atm

[compact berry]

Well there are elder pearls but you need to be elder to pick em up

Pearls arent in no

[crystal ibex]

Dang there goe smy theory xD

goes*

[civic niche]

yeah i think we though of that already

[compact berry]

They'll come in with the fantasy stuff

[fresh marsh]

would be pretty funny if he didnt like the way to become elder to be eating mushrooms, but adds it as a step to the new system

[compact berry]

Do we have a list of things proven not to work?

[compact kindle]

Nesting, Flying in tight spaces, Killing, Sleeping in locations, Swinning laods, Flying alot, Cloud flying, Crystals - Everything to do with them,

Eating mushrooms until sick, Broadcasting in PoI

[fresh marsh]

this was posted a little bit ago, AND i think i learned how to direct someone to a message without pinging the person! #1209681807746801724 message

[civic niche]

I tried a lot of things with jellies

[compact kindle]

Target emoting, at rocks, people, jellies and trees

[compact berry]

Makes sense not to be crystals unless they added crystals to every map

[compact kindle]

Everyone hyper fixated on crystals for four days

Danced with them, nested near them, tried to court them, Tried biting, bile, raising themselves with them

Sleeping with them

[compact berry]

Try and consider what would work on all maps and on both fantasy and survival

Now imma vanish to have a nap

[compact kindle]

And PVE

[fresh marsh]

i dont know enough about all the maps to know what would work on all of them

do they all have the aurora?

[compact berry]

Lava lands, desert and forest

[compact kindle]

Yes, because they are meant to be one map at some point so they will share the same sky

They are different biomes tho so different points of interest and flora

Well minus the edible flora

[fresh marsh]

so we have shared sky, the essentials for surviving (food and water) and whatever we bring as dragons

[civic niche]

I tried mushroom sickness and nothing

[fresh marsh]

like bile and nightvision and such

[compact kindle]

They will also likely all contain caves, I know at the least sand dunes does

[civic niche]

I did notice at 50% + sickness you get a blurred vision, so I flew around the map looking for anything sus with the blurry vision. Never found anything but I don't think I finished the map. I ended up getting stuck and had to get saved by an admin. Decided to call it after that lol

[compact kindle]

Yeah thats normal. comes from legacy

[civic niche]

Yeah i know, but like what if you have to have the blurry vision to see like another plane of existence or something 🤔

[compact kindle]

I think that would be ironic since he didnt think eating mushrooms was dragony enough

[dense current]

yea then we run into the issue of people camping mushrooms again

[civic niche]

yeah but they're all over

[compact kindle]

So were the eldershrooms XD

[civic niche]

eldershrooms were like 90% in the elder forest with a handful sprinkled around the rest of the map

has anyone tried killing stuff from the air?

[compact kindle]

Yup I have

[civic niche]

just trying to think what would be "dragony"

[compact kindle]

Everything is, its too broad of a statement tbh, it comes down to what Joa specifically thinks dragons should be, which we cannot know without a hint

[crystal ibex]

I don't know anymore, I'm exhausted from trying so many things

[civic niche]

Is there anything other than bugs and hatchling bodies we can "hoard"?

[compact kindle]

Yeah Ive given up focused on nesting lol

Not at the moment no

[civic niche]

If it's something so simple im going to be so mad at myself lol

[compact kindle]

I feel like we tried all the simple things

[civic niche]

The one simple thing we forgot will be it xD

[sweet flicker]

The devs said the method was in the game, but did they say we could use it yet?

[civic niche]

lmfao imagine. It's in game but turned off like the weather

[sweet flicker]

Maybe it is there, but we just dont have access or it isnt active yet?

[civic niche]

I'd be so peeved

[dense current]

idd definetly be a little upset if we couldn't actively get elder yet Dx

[compact kindle]

At least we can get passive

It would explain why they dont think we will have elders within a couple weeks

Which is why Elemntals are at the end of the soft release list

[civic niche]

Yeah but it takes SO long. For a class 5 it's going to take 56 real time DAYS. That's insane

That's IF you're on top of your ticks and don't miss

[compact kindle]

I passive eldered my FS in legacy because I hated ravine

Took me a little over 2 months so I dont mind XD

[civic niche]

Not saying it can't be done. Just saying that's way too long to be the only way to elder

anyways, I'm off to bed. Happy hunting everyone

[compact kindle]

Have a good night!

[sweet flicker]

I have a feeling the devs want it to take a while anyways

[civic niche]

you too

[radiant hull]

so all maps have caves and food supply

and other dragons

water sources as well

[whole hearth]

Um... I might have found something ?

Why is it pink when I use night vision?

The waterfall

[zenith iron]

Saw that too, but it's that way for all of em

[whole hearth]

really? Oh..damn

[fresh marsh]

blue for me

[fast geyser]

Are you ss?

[fresh marsh]

yeah

[whole hearth]

Strange

[fast geyser]

Makes sense redisch for fs and blue for ss

[whole hearth]

Blue for SS, Red for FS maby green for ASD?

[fast geyser]

Where is that?

[fresh marsh]

ill check

[whole hearth]

410 S x 197 W

[fast geyser]

Thanks

[whole hearth]

Could be a weird coincidence... but we have to look into it 🙂

[fast geyser]

Could be but it looks very promissing

[turbid copper]

probably just a glitch with the reflections

[rapid kraken]

I can check with asd, playing it rn anyway

[whole hearth]

Idk man

[fresh marsh]

im omw with asd too

[whole hearth]

The fact that it is
the colors of the dragons

Kinda weird

and Zal jsut confirmed it

[fast geyser]

Also it is not that far away from that eon guy with the fs prog

Look around (for the color)
Water is close (the waterfall)
And nighttime/morning (for nightvision)

[lost lichen]

Ill check this with my IR in 30min... fingers crossed !!!

Maybe wait for the aurora? To see if it's make something? Idk if it's night rn.

[whole hearth]

Im looking around for stuff

Aurora is active here

[rapid kraken]

Waterfall is sorta purplel-ish with ASD, but all of the waterfalls are, I saw that while running by/ over em

[sweet flicker]

That color is just based on the color of the sky

[rapid kraken]

yup

[sweet flicker]

it is red ish during morning and evening

had the same on all dragons

[whole hearth]

Mhh ok

Could mean because of the color it can mean something for the dragon? Cause we say red, blue, green I think

[fresh marsh]

about the same color for me

[turbid copper]

it's just a reflection

[rapid kraken]

That colour changes with the time of day

[sweet flicker]

I just think its a graphics issue tbh

[rapid kraken]

I checked it even, with the day/night command

[whole hearth]

Thats do dumb then]\

[fresh marsh]

next theory then lol

[whole hearth]

I guess yeah

I wanna give up tho... been doing this since launch

[fast geyser]

Idk if we should thow away the river theory already
Yes it looks like its just reflektion but also there is a possible red, blue and green reflection so possible that what ever you have to do has to be with the fitting reflection of your dragon type
And also river is bugged in general that you can walk on it which could maybe be an unwanted sideeffect comming from a mechanik you have to do to elder wich is only at the river and not any other working water source

[turbid copper]

just a reflection

and the river walking bug is already known and will be fixed

[fast geyser]

I know but but why is only river buged like that not every other water aswell so my thoght maybe bc river is something special compared to every other water which could maybe be bc it is somehow involved in eldering

[fast geyser]

Didnt already some ppl say that eldering could be related with the servertime? So the reflection could also be wanted which would tie eldering to a specific time

[turbid copper]

I don't think it has anything to do with the river, or water, or idk, the map is not finished

[dapper shard]

I think if we just give up the devs will eventually tell us

[turbid copper]

Yeah but after weeks and weeks

[limber valve]

I’m also on the idea that it actually won’t be in/activated until the 1.0.1 patch. Jao said if no one figures it out by then that he was going to “change it” but why would you change it instead of just giving a hint? Doesn’t make much sense to me.

[vale mortar]

Probably what it is, not obtainable yet

[turbid copper]

He said he will tell us if we don't find it

[whole hearth]

Ok we won't find it so he will probally tell us

[limber valve]

But he also stated last night that if no one figured it out by the 1.0.1 patch that he was going to change it. Why change it instead of just telling us/giving a hint? Seems like a lot of extra work for nothing if it’s actually active in the game.

[turbid copper]

idk, that's what he said in the last Q&A

[limber valve]

I’m just going off what he said last night.

[turbid copper]

yeah, idk im confused then

[night tendon]

That personally sounds like a joke to me :'D but who knows

[turbid copper]

yeah could be

[night tendon]

Or if he does change it, it'll be easier to figure out

[turbid copper]

or just tell us

easy

[limber valve]

I didn’t get joke vibes from it but to each their own It just makes me side more with its not actually active/obtainable which at this point feels very likely.

[night tendon]

Ah, yeah who knows

[turbid copper]

This is so stressful lmao

[fringe badge]

Anyone explored the possibility of scent leading us to something yet?

[turbid copper]

There's no scent anywhere, other than food and water ofc

[fringe badge]

I'm going to keep exploring, I've been hunting around with an SS but I feel like its super easy to miss stuff from the air so I may try tracking with an ASD too

[turbid copper]

ss is good cuz it's fast

but the woods are all empty from what i saw

[fringe badge]

SS has been peak scouting material, put it with a bio not too long ago and had almost every resource mapped in a few hours

I'm hoping SS holds out in helping me find smthn

[turbid copper]

what server u on ?

[fringe badge]

It's a little side server I keep up so I can search for stuff interupted, you want the name?

I'm open to giving powers too

[turbid copper]

yes i would like to join to explore cuz im bored lol

[fringe badge]

DM me

Server is Dawn of Dread

[turbid copper]

aight

[rough root]

I am BACK

[limber valve]

Woooo!

[rough root]

Just gotta wait to get my roles back, but that can wait. I'm however missing patreon chat already.

<cracks knuckles> Aight time to get back to work where I can actually say what I find.

So far? Plenty of interesting things, but nothing outright confirmable from my side.

And no; I did not leave willingly.

[fringe badge]

I'm online rn btw if anyone wants to jump in and get a grow and explore uninterrupted

[rough root]

I'm currently doing "The Things" on an official low pop PvP, just to make sure that it's definitely working on official.

[pearl root]

Did anyone test the 5 dragon calls to the 5 different crystals?

[fringe badge]

Any chance stats could be relate too?

[fringe badge]

beseech the crystals for sweet sweet elder prog?

[pearl root]

Maybe we have to Court the pink one aggro the Red etc.etc.

[rapid radish]

Is this some patreon exclusive chat?

[pearl root]

Yes he said it in the patreon chat

[rough root]

Hey Iso!

[wooden marsh]

that's one of the caves that's blocked up

[fringe badge]

I aimed my reticle at all the crystals and there was no change, they don't have an interraction regarding emotes at least

[wooden marsh]

or flames, or plasma, or bio spit

I've tried most things with the crystals and got nothing, so idk if they're part of it

[limber valve]

Yesss c:

[wooden marsh]

so in fairness we should just wait for him to change it then?

[rapid radish]

I'm glad you patreons tell us these, but I feel like it's unfair he talks about it only to you guys 🤷‍♀️

[rough root]

So, what are people currently researching? I've been doing a bunch of my own testing these past three days. @rapid radish and @limber valve can attest to that

[wooden marsh]

they pay for that privallige

[fringe badge]

I've been combing the map for anything notable

[rapid radish]

It shouldn't be something you pay for, to get info that concerns the whole community

[fringe badge]

Also hi, patron here
Elder stuff should be talked about publically imo

Cool, argument done
Anyways, what have people found that seems out of place?

[wooden marsh]

Jao won't talk to us commoners

[limber valve]

I mean not sure? Im just stating how my brain is working with everything that’s been tested/said. Theres only so much that can be done to try and figure out eldering, and at this point it feels like if it is active in game besides passive eldering, than we all need a hint. But why would he change the eldering process if we haven’t figured it out by the patch instead of just giving us a hint? It makes no sense to me. Which is why I learn towards that’s it’s not actually active yet in the game, and that it’ll be activated on that patch.

[rapid radish]

Yeah, the word "change" was kind of weird choice there

[wooden marsh]

I agree we only need a hint to find it

no need for him to change it if it works

[rapid radish]

I feel like everything has been done, and There's not a lot of things that even can be done in the game currently 😅

[rough root]

I hope I'll be able to get my patreon roles back pretty soon as well.

[wooden marsh]

yeah there's not much that hasn't been tried is there, people have been doing all sorts of things to find it

[rough root]

Indeed.

[frail salmon]

Yup

We are out of ideas

https://tenor.com/view/horrid-tired-meme-spongebob-dying-gif-27497905

[tame crest]

I kinda get why he wants to be secretive but leaving us with not even a small hint to springboard off (if it is active ingame rn) is rough.

[pearl root]

Solo

[tame crest]

Like how he mentioned Broodstalker's unlock will be "environment-based"

[pearl root]

Just do what drakes do

This thing we had to figure out

[frail salmon]

Alright you say do what drakes do. What do drakes do?

[pearl root]

And solo makable

So nothing with breeding

Nothing with killing others/hatchlings

Eat,drink, run and calls only things the drakes can do rn

[rough root]

Jao once said in a stream that he wanted the new system to be more social. That and y'know. More 'dragony than eating mushrooms'

[rapid radish]

yeah, in the q&a he said the same thing, bc he wants the game be more social, the future baby isn't doing the skincrafting, it's the mom

[pearl root]

Eating 100 bugs killed with the Q

[rough root]

Kill all the bugs.

[pearl root]

🤯

[rough root]

All of them?
All of them

[fringe badge]

I don't think there's even 100 bugs on the map rn

[rough root]

There's actually -way- more than most think

But not enough harumph

[whole hearth]

I get he wants it to be social... but I mean, dragons can elder without it in my opinion? Like in the lore there is this bad guy dragon... he got elder while being a menace..correct?

[rough root]

Correct.

[whole hearth]

I think thats how I understand it

[pearl root]

Solo makable

[whole hearth]

Exactly!

[rough root]

I definitely want it to be soloable to elder, for one.

[wooden marsh]

seriously though look how social it was on Legacy with us trying to Elder

[rough root]

Which I think it can be.

[whole hearth]

So it would be dumb if it was revolved around nesting

[rough root]

But perhaps it may simple be slower.

[whole hearth]

Dude so long as I can solo elder without nesting and breeding and blah blah blah, I am happy

[wooden marsh]

we were fighting each-other for shrooms, what makes Jao think it'll be any different this time?

[rough root]

I am still trying to replicate when I got quite a bit of elder progress myself. But so far absolutely no luck.

[whole hearth]

Exactly... dragons need to be dragons... not doing silly things like nesting to make someone else be elder, or being elder by being on the server alive as a dragon for 1000+ hours

[rough root]

Indeed, but that's exactly what he wanted no? "More dragony" hence the theory at one point to do 'dragony things' in a specific order or specific place.

[pearl root]

And jao says if noone figure it out he will change it. So, why he not give us a hint ? He prefer change it. So its something simple? Something just about numbers he can change quick.
🤯🤯🤯

[fringe badge]

But what can we do that's more "dragony"

[radiant hull]

idk it feels stupid

[rapid radish]

Spocial doesn't necessary mean only nesting

[radiant hull]

everyone is just getting their dragons to adult till someone figures it out XD

[rough root]

I cannot say. I believe in that theory it's literally just being dragons. But in specific manners, ways, locations, times.

[pearl root]

Like eating 100 buggs 🙂

[rough root]

It could be target calling others, it could be murdering bugs. It could be flight. It could be everything.

[radiant hull]

arent there gonna be stronger food around?

[rough root]

And it doesn't necessarily have to be one thing.

Yes.

[turbid copper]

No bugs involved lol

[wooden marsh]

perhaps he's not happy with the workload he has now so he wants another job ontop of it (which is reworking something that already works (if it does even work))

[rough root]

I do not like the potential of "I'm gonna change it" - unless it's into something that is more easy to achieve?

Or at least figure out.

[wooden marsh]

I kinda don't like this "I'll change it" because we'll never find out how we could

I want to know the method to what we have now, see if it's even viable or enjoyable. If it gets changed we'll have some different way

[whole hearth]

i AGREE 100%

[fringe badge]

What was the percentage and what were you doing? If it was 4% or lower that's linked to whether or not server has altered growtimes

[limber valve]

Exactly my point on why I think it’s just not in and “changing it” is a scapegoat to just activating it

[rough root]

Oh no it was around 16 and another around 23. These two were on a private server and I was essentially doing a bit of everything. Breeding. Hatchie murder, big dergn murder (others breeding) calling, flying, killing bugs. Literally a bit of everything.

But again. Private server, and I have no idea what might have triggered it. I've been unable to recreate it on the official server I'm currently testing things on.

[fringe badge]

I hope it didn't get slapped to pvp specific things

[rough root]

I hope not either, for sure.

Though it would still be viable in some manner. Since you can activate it on PvE so you can say murder your failure babies

[fringe badge]

Baby fights are a popular thing on pve unless that's just the people i run with

[rapid radish]

what ,I have never heard of baby fight xD

*fights

[fringe badge]

I really am having a hard time believing there's actually a system in place rn because I once genuinely spent an entire day combing the map, looking at the blocked off caves and potential cave spots
imagine how angry I was when I came up with nothing

[rough root]

Nah we did it too

[rapid radish]

Yeah, I agree

[wooden marsh]

oh wait can we talk about hatchie fight club now? 🙂

[wooden marsh]

yep as soon as my SS could fly I was out exploring the map & found nothing too

[rough root]

I'd like to see more people trying the Ravine SS Flight theory, personally.

[limber valve]

And I just want to be clear that this thought process isn’t hating against Jao because I know some people can think that way but it’s for the simple fact that there’s really not much to do already in the game, so I feel like we honestly would have figured even the slightest of clue out to solving this eldering mystery. I know he said it’s activated but again, I just hope we’re not wasting brain power currently

[whole hearth]

Yeah no thats rough man

[fringe badge]

elaborate on that for me and I'll try it rn

[wooden marsh]

you know I gotta try it even if I don't know how, sounds like a good challenge

[rough root]

Right so, there was someone saying that when they flew through the Ravine on an SS (it had 3/3 agility) - they got 0.1% elder growth.

[fast geyser]

We did it too on pvp
Gave some randoms and smal clans asg eggs from full elder nest and let them fight together and the winner could keep the hatch

[rough root]

Try flying through Ravine, not crashing, and not going 'above' it from both sides.

[fringe badge]

current one has survival so i could do the big sniff but I'll give it a shot

[rough root]

Absolutely! Someone went through it with a point in each and said it didn't do anything.

[wooden marsh]

my current SS is all on social lol but will try it and see

[rough root]

It could very well be we get more percentage from one thing depending on where our points are.

Again, no clue. I don't think it was replicated. But the 'Agile' one was believed by some to be a tick on how long you flew near solid objects for example.

[wooden marsh]

and to make the test fair we have to fly through it twice, both directions

[rough root]

Indeed.

[wooden marsh]

I'm usually a low flyer so not sure if the solid objects thing works but could just be linked to ravine due to it being below the regular map layer

[rough root]

Or where your points are.

Possibly could be that you can't gain percentage from that unless your points are in agile. Or some of them are

[pseudo walrus]

where is ravine?

[wooden marsh]

that too, I have them in social because DvE server & breeding

[rough root]

I know the feeling.

[wooden marsh]

basically same place as it was before

[rough root]

Ravine is essentially to the south.

[fringe badge]

First pass through ravine with survival focus - no progress

[turbid copper]

Points doesn't matter, cuz let's say you play pve and points matter but in pve u need everything in social, but then if u put them in other stuff u won't get dom in social

[pseudo walrus]

ok ty, I've been reading what everyone has been saying because I really want to know

[wooden marsh]

just a thought, I wonder how this ravine method would work for ASD

[rough root]

It could very well be that it's species specific

I tried the Ravine on an FS. Nothing.

[fading trench]

I know pve has to be able to do it and it may be species specific so hear me out

[rough root]

And again, it -could- be that it has to do with the points. But there being different methods depending on it. Again; pure speculation.

[fading trench]

SS are strath hunters, asd are ambush, fs have infrared and ir light on fire

[fringe badge]

Squat on the second pass

[fringe badge]

No, Ravine is so viciously unstable rn. I've tried walking in it and ended up under the map

[fading trench]

What if the first step is to kill a bug with plasma while cloaked as an ss, kill a bug with heat vision active on fs, kill a bug while burning on fire as an ir and kill a bug while having the wet affect as asd (since asd are meant to be water ambush drakes)

[turbid copper]

Ravine it's not even completed yet, not even changed

[rough root]

All things tried I'm afraid.

[fading trench]

Are u sure

[rough root]

Well, except the wet effect because it wears off before you can get to a bug xD

[fading trench]

It doesn’t

[rough root]

I've tried these things myself as well.

[wooden marsh]

yeah ravine does look unfinished rn (along with most of that side of the map)

[fading trench]

There are bugs right next to the water in lime

[rough root]

You'd have to be immensely quick. But try it!

[fading trench]

I don’t have a grown asd so oof

[rough root]

Hop to it! :D

[languid spoke]

how go the theories this fine sunday

[rough root]

Wonderfully!

Headache inducing as well but y'know.

[compact kindle]

Looks like were circling back to old theories atm

[wooden marsh]

they're flying around like juvinile SS's

[rough root]

I'm just happy to be back

[dry mauve]

BTW under the text box it says** redacted redacted redacted**.

[compact kindle]

We need a dedicated person to go back through the chat and pull everything we HAVE tried and completed and learned doesnt work and compile it into one message

[languid spoke]

and the only correlation between the two is he put REDACTED three times

[compact kindle]

So we can just link that every morning XD

[languid spoke]

dear lord NO

this thread needs a thread 😂

[compact kindle]

Truely

[wooden marsh]

or we need to be able to pin messages, once a theory is proven false it gets pinned

[languid spoke]

i don't remember who it was that said they dreamed they figured out how to elder, but i did the same thing last night

[limber valve]

I gotchu

[compact kindle]

Our dragon in shinning armor

[whole hearth]

Same xD 2 nights ago

[languid spoke]

it was you!

lol, hello fellow dreamer of eldering

wanna know the fun part?

i don't remember what i did

[whole hearth]

I dremt it was a cave under water, and you had to crash into the water as any dragon swim below it...massive crystals and when crystals are charged you spit on them they transfer power to you and you become elder overtime

[languid spoke]

it's redacted

[compact kindle]

This is how you know youre burning out, your brain is screaming at you in your sleep

[frail salmon]

Hahha gyatt damn so detailed

Well someone mentioned that they had checked underwater but it might be false.

[compact kindle]

At this point Im so sick of crystals I wont even go into the caves anymore Im out in the woods

[languid spoke]

😂

[compact kindle]

Several people checked under water,

[languid spoke]

felt that

[rough root]

<cracks knuckles> On it.

[frail salmon]

Hmmm, have we really checked the big lake by the island?

[compact kindle]

That was probably the number one spot to look lol

[frail salmon]

Alright

[compact kindle]

Then we all drank from every body of water while searching them and swam in them too just in case

[wooden marsh]

use nv to see under the water

[compact kindle]

Even swamp was done

[languid spoke]

i fell into the map multiple times trying to find something

[compact kindle]

Also Queue me screaming about how ominouisly deep the baby ponds are now

[compact kindle]

I have yet to do this I even TRIED to do it

Let. Me. in. The. Pit.

I wanna be in there

[languid spoke]

i found the one spot that is safe under map (not river)

[frail salmon]

Under the map?

[pearl root]

i can drink from the roots ^^

[rough root]

It's so beautifuuuuuul (Well, what we saw on stream)

[languid spoke]

yes, there's a spot where the ground doesn't meet properly and you can stroll right under the map

[compact kindle]

Yeah I was down there during the holiday livestream got stuck took me like 12 tries to get out, now I wanna see if I am better XD

[frail salmon]

Alright

[languid spoke]

it's above the pond that has the waterfall...i put it in bug reports

[fringe badge]

I think I'm officially giving up, I'm burnt from that day I spent trying to scan the map and coming up with a hot load of nothin

[compact kindle]

Same I just pop in mostly to watch for people theorizing things that have already been done so they arent wasting thier time, gotta help the new bloods out

[nocturne coyote]

Honestly it shouldn't be this hard to figure out. I think it's ridiculous but thats just my opinion

[fringe badge]

Nah it is ridiculous, and us being hit with ✨redacted✨ feels like we're getting trolled lol

[turbid copper]

[dawn pelican]

watch it be extremeley simple and we are just trying to read into things WAYYYY too hard XD

[turbid copper]

I was thinking about simple too, but like what

[wooden marsh]

that'll be after he "changes" it

[fringe badge]

If it was super simple, it would have been found and recreated

[turbid copper]

yeah that too

[compact kindle]

Hes jsut picking his favorite idea to change it to

Quick throw out your best theories!

[wooden marsh]

yep, I'm starting to think the only part of eldering in the game rn is passive ticks

[nocturne coyote]

have we ever gotten ACTUALY screenshot proof that there are elders rn? actualy picture proof of someone hovering their cursor over their dragon to show it is elder/ adult and not just photoshopped to mess with us and the reason they don't want to say until next week/ few weeks later is because its not actually in game yet active?

[pliant ice]

living a long life n doing dragon things (fly long distances, eat alot of food, drink alot of water, grow large)🙏

[fringe badge]

And NOT a server with growth disabled

[compact kindle]

to be honest most of the ideas tossed around in here are very elaborate because of the starwars hyperfixation, everyone thought it would be a multistep trial process involving severall things in a complicated fashion

[dry mauve]

Has anyone every wondered why some bugs you can pick up and others you cant?

[fringe badge]

Thats just a hitbox bug

[pliant ice]

If you mean the crabs you can but you have to aim for the legs

[compact kindle]

No one has eldered no

[dawn pelican]

you can pick up all of them, the hitbox is just messy

[turbid copper]

Cuz they are glitched

[compact kindle]

This is a hitbox issue its known bug

[pliant ice]

You'll have 100% successrate at picking them up if you aim at the leg of the crab

[dry mauve]

Well im giving the 100 bugs theroy a try

[fringe badge]

thats a ban lol

[rough root]

The good old "It's in the game." Gotcha it's actually just the passives

[dawn pelican]

zooming in as much as you can so you are in first person mode helps too a lot of times

[nocturne coyote]

I keep hearing a pvp server has elders but wont say but i think thats just trolling. I honestly think this whole thing is trolling and no one actually knows/ not active in game yet cause i thought eldering had to do with quests

[compact kindle]

Get a juvi FS youll reach that before adult

[languid spoke]

PvP has elders yes, and some PvE servers

[fringe badge]

Scaleworx DM has elders but ONLY because we ticked the disable growth box. We reported it bc we don't know if spawning as elders was intended

[dawn pelican]

jao said himselve that its in the game tho

[dry mauve]

Im wondering if ya have to do it while adult

[compact kindle]

Its people wanting to be angry thinking PVP'rs know and are gatekeeping but they dont

[wooden marsh]

that or it's not ready and he didn't want to admit it

[rapid radish]

I did and a mod said not to ping him when he is not talking in chat xD

[nocturne coyote]

I don't think it is active in game yet aside from passives honestly cause even I looked around the whole map

[rough root]

Only elders in the game are the ones on private servers xD

[nocturne coyote]

I would love to be proven wrong by...I don't know tell me how?? hmmmm Jao maaaybe??? Hmmmm

[fringe badge]

And getting those is as easy as disabling growth, spawning yer elders and re-enabling growth so it's no surprise private ones got it

[dawn pelican]

its only been a little over a week since the update came out, people need to chill. Wheres the fun if you find the mechanic in under a week. There have been games where secrets only have been found out after DECADES, so stop crying jeez

[wooden marsh]

we're not playing Skyrim here

[turbid copper]

Actually, ppl find secrets pretty quickly in some games

[fringe badge]

Literally no one is crying, chill lol

[dawn pelican]

people have probably not even reached 18a yet, so wheres the point in eldering yet anyways ._.

[fringe badge]

We're just annoyed bc our hint was "redacted" and a lot of us are tired of hunting

[dawn pelican]

ive been following this chat a lot, trust me. Theres tons of people crying

[heady trench]

This is not the kind of game where it should take forever to figure something out, especially something as big as the next growth stage.
We should receive some kind of useful hint because everything has been done by people.

[turbid copper]

like, someone found out multiple calendars posted in random places with random numbers hinted and found out a date that could be the return of batman lol

[wooden marsh]

so we know how when we need to

[fringe badge]

Y'all just don't engage, someone popping off and saying ppl are crying just want a reaction at this rate

[dawn pelican]

maybe we got those kinda hints too, but noone has found them yet 💁‍♀️ i mean if you compare the sizes of the fandoms its pretty easy to see why that couldve been the case XD

[fringe badge]

We know either the system is

1. Not in
2. Super simple and we somehow have completely overshot
3. Something COMPLETELY different

[turbid copper]

yea but this map is kinda small, and the example i gave, it was on a much larger map with many objects on it

and it was found in a few days after the game came out

[dawn pelican]

yeah but again, If you think about it, remember the announcement with the highest player count yet on dod? it was something like 3700. Thats not a lot of people and that was on the launch day of the game. Save to say its a lot less people activiley looking for the way to elder

[pearl root]

where you get this information, is it proof?

[languid spoke]

myself lol, our server spawns elders

[dawn pelican]

just join the scaleworx pvp server

[turbid copper]

it is, but it's a small map that can be explored in a few days

[tame crest]

The Scaleworx deathmatch server doesn't count.

[fringe badge]

Shen DM doesn't count AT ALL.

[dawn pelican]

it might not have to do with a location tho, jao did state that it is NOT campable

[fringe badge]

We disabled growth on there

[turbid copper]

yeah ik

1,167 players on dod rn

[dawn pelican]

so exploring the map probably doesnt contribute to uncovering how to elder

[turbid copper]

then it's nothing on the map

and it's totally something else

[stark geyser]

Non campable could just mean multiple locations though since you won't be staying in just a single spot

[pearl root]

just eat 1000 buggs and drink from all 26 water sources 🙂

xD

[turbid copper]

if it was actually on the map, then it would have been found by now

[dawn pelican]

idk its just my ideas and how i percive the "hints"

[rough root]

This is why I test on official now xD

[wooden marsh]

then it's either not on the map or unlocked at a set stage of growth

has anyone grown to 25% elder yet?

on official server

[celest knoll]

what a lie. Only 0 population servers give you free elder on login.

[turbid copper]

that wouldn't be either cuz, if someone would want to elder would be like, "ah i have to wait till that number to get it'

[languid spoke]

that doesn't even make sense. one, it's not a lie. two, server pop doesn't even matter in that statement

[compact kindle]

Mushrooms were also multiple locations so

[fringe badge]

My guy, disabling growth on your community server causes an elder spawn lol, Ealasaid wasn't lying

[stark geyser]

Yes but you could have stayed put at the easiest ones. It wasn't required to go to all of them

[wooden marsh]

true just thinking of options on what it could be if it's not something that can be camped

[celest knoll]

wow and this helps what? xD
just disable grow on all servers = GG.

[fringe badge]

Why do people gotta pop off in here with the most heated attitudee

[compact kindle]

Ah this makes more sense, but is still campable if you know all the locations

[celest knoll]

look in the mirror 🙂

[languid spoke]

unnecessary

[turbid copper]

[fringe badge]

My brother what 💀

[languid spoke]

there's no need to be rude man

[turbid copper]

chill

[celest knoll]

im totally chill xD
this site notes to derail and make some PR for their servers is rude xD

[languid spoke]

are you? throwing insults isn't very chill

[fringe badge]

Anyways, that's another person I'ma be ignoring bc people really do be heated over nothiiiin. We already established servers that let you spawn as elder don't count

[languid spoke]

exactly

[celest knoll]

"We already established servers that let you spawn as elder don't count" and this doesnt help here to find out this elder mechanic. its just plain PR for your server for not playing the game.
so yeah im happy for you but im not here to get your server PR 😄

[fringe badge]

So we think

1. Can't be camped
2. Migh be social?

[dawn pelican]

we need hans the baby blitz to lighten the mood. @proper imp we need you

[rough root]

Surprising no mod or admin has stepped into this one yet, gracious

[compact kindle]

They look to be away

[dawn pelican]

i still think its not social since that would be unfair to solo players

[rough root]

Looks that way!

[languid spoke]

they had to get the popcorn

[rough root]

I'm somewhere 'up there' collecting data into a big ol' Google Doc

[fringe badge]

Yeah I don't think it would be fully social 🤔

[compact kindle]

Your sacrifice is appreciated

[turbid yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/hamilton-alexander-thomas-jefferson-whatdimiss-gif-20333238

[fringe badge]

Also apparently I'm running PR for a server and not even bein paid y'all

[stark geyser]

If it helps, I took this ss a bit ago

[celest knoll]

put in mind what Jao said earlier.
if its this simple to change, it cant be some high complex mechanic but maybe something way more Basic

[dawn pelican]

well since im severeley burnt out from dod atm i will probably not be of much help in finding how to elder XD i can only throw my ideas around and recall what ive read in here over the last week

[fringe badge]

Have we explored the idea that each dragon might have its own unique set?

[compact kindle]

Thats some of it, Give crow a minute to get the rest

[turbid yoke]

Yup

[fringe badge]

[turbid copper]

[dawn pelican]

that is highly lickeley considering that every species had its own shrooms and asd's cant fly so it would have to be something that is able to be done on the ground

[fringe badge]

That would be fire though if each dragon had its own way to elder

[turbid yoke]

I bet we’ll feel so stupid when they give the hint or even more lost

[dawn pelican]

btw, do we know if behemoths will be able to elder?

[fringe badge]

Good question 🤔

[dawn pelican]

its only those 2 options XD

[celest knoll]

maybe not dragon specific but skill specific.
Has someone even tried to put 3/3 in movement and fly around long distances?

[turbid yoke]

I know 😂

[fringe badge]

I only know class 2 and under can't elder, idk what the plan is for behemoths

[compact kindle]

yes also tight spaces

[fringe badge]

Someone has, got squat

[dawn pelican]

bro, imagine an even bigger behemoth o.o

[wooden marsh]

no they don't elder

watch Lusewing's video

[turbid yoke]

I have a notebook dedicated to the elder way, went through my fathers entire library about dragons, and even with all that I’m still clueless and still looking

[compact kindle]

I swear Ive seen somewhere state that they did

[celest knoll]

i mean we get 3 more skill points, most people waste them for nesting earlier but what if this way is wrong? what if the last 4 are intended for nesting/pvp and we got 3 for some specific actions in relation to eldering? ^^

[rapid radish]

In the Q&A Jao said yes 🙂

[fringe badge]

That is TERRIFYING thank you

[turbid copper]

you wouldn't get dominant in social if u use them in something else first

[dawn pelican]

we need a hardcore star wars fans too lmao

[stark geyser]

The only dragons that can't elder are the bio and micros

[rapid radish]

Happy to be of service xD

[celest knoll]

3 in movement 3 in social 1 in dominant works when you are full elder.

[wooden marsh]

pretty sure in the Q&A cover Lusewing done it was a no they don't. I'll rewatch it and check

[limber valve]

I’m sorry but with a game that doesn’t have much to do in it already, you would think they would want their community to actually be able to figure out the eldering so we have more to do? If it’s actually really in the game and it’s this hard to even get a sliver of a hint, that’s just gonna make people lose interest. Some people in here, including myself are already getting tired of it and disinterested because it genuinely shouldn’t be this hard to figure out. If this was a AAA game then sure but it’s just getting the ball rolling

[rapid radish]

But Jao also said that getting a behemoth to even adult is a constant group effort, so I don't think you have to fear a server full of behemoths xD

[tame crest]

I thought the plan, at least originally, was that behemoths naturally elder.

[dawn pelican]

that would be weird tho, since 1. you would never be able to skill what you might actually want to skill, 2. once you set your points into the wring thing there is no turning back

[digital isle]

I hear they are gonna become elder naturally

[tame crest]

I guess like growing normally instead of by 12h ticks.

[rapid radish]

might be, but the question was, that can they or can they not 😅

[digital isle]

Ah sorry I saw that xD

But yes behemoth can elder

[dawn pelican]

ok, i understand that. But maybe it is really easy to find and we are just overthinking way too hard or just being extremeley unlucky

[celest knoll]

only if we get 4 points but in a question a mod said ALL dragons get 7 points so a early social wouldnt be necessary when you can elder your dragon first.

[digital isle]

Only without help

[turbid yoke]

Even though I agree a bit, I feel like in a fantasy staded game it’s so worth the thrill of the hunt

Like yeah we’re all dedicated breeding for stats and skins and all

[celest knoll]

exactly. but what if flying around gives you elder growth when you have 3/3 movement? we wouldnt know cause everyone only skills social like we did in Legacy for better stats 🤔

[compact kindle]

Because soem have tested it

[turbid yoke]

But if it’s not what they want us to do, (we all like pretty skins and a good A bloodline) but it’s a survival, and even though in progress and not finished yet, if they put the way to be elder in the game at the launch we need to survive to find it

[compact kindle]

Some Specifically SS some others

[fringe badge]

I enjoy the hunt but the lack of absolutely anything from the game and getting told "redacted" took the wind out of my sails. If we even get bread crumbs, it would be better.

[wooden marsh]

I'm not sure, Lusewing didn't actually mention it, she only referred to behemoths as adult

[turbid yoke]

I mean the hint of the way to be elder given away on a silver platter wouldn’t kill the hype for me but it’d feel too easy

[celest knoll]

well then sorry if this was tested, this thread is so long maybe overread it

[fringe badge]

I don't want the answer handed to me either, I just want smthn that doesn't feel like I'm being trolled lol

[turbid copper]

only one word

would work

or a letter at least

[turbid yoke]

And you built a community over searches and questions about a certain thing, though I understand the frustration (I am too and the head banging is hard my wall suffers)
But that’s what I expect about a game with dragons and dragon cultures, if they’re built as a society depending on their species they must achieve something

So

[limber valve]

I’m not saying it’s not fun, and it’s definitely a good idea to make it a mystery but again, for a game that’s just getting seriously started, and not much in it with an unfinished map, eldering shouldn’t be this elusive is my thought. And then with the statement of “changing the eldering” if it isn’t figured out by the next patch, doesn’t instill much confidence in me that it actually is in the game because I can’t fathom changing a whole mechanic instead of just giving a hint, but that’s just me I guess

[tame crest]

Again, he was fine hinting that broodwatcher will be an "environment-based" unlock. Why can't we have a pointer like that for elder

[turbid yoke]

I think we were on the right trail about « trials » but maybe we’re looking too deep into it

[rapid radish]

Jao said they can elder ^^ I was aswering to Tamryn's note that they might only elder naturally.

[rapid radish]

Good hint would not give the answer outright

[dry mauve]

But we have legit nothing

Except Redacted redacted redacted

[turbid yoke]

That’s entirely true, but if we’re all here and playing and if it’s for that specific reason they’ve done things right (most of)

[short pine]

He did say he didn't like the last elder mechanic because it didn't seem like something a dragon would do, Right?

[fringe badge]

Running around eating shrooms is more human activity than dragon

[dry mauve]

If we dont figure it our by 1.0.1 they are gonna change it

[fringe badge]

I do agree with that

[turbid yoke]

Yeah kinda messed up the way I said it sorry 😂

[rapid radish]

No worries ^^

[rapid radish]

Or is it more like a goblin activity

[fringe badge]

how dare u call me out

[celest knoll]

thats the point im curious about.
Then this would mean the mechanic is pretty simple or they need weeks to redo it.
i dont think the last thing will happen so maybe its just so simple no one comes to the point figuring it out

[dry mauve]

Its been confirmed its in the game. But we still have nothing to go off of besides that

[short pine]

He did say on the Dev QnA that we would be looking back on it when we figured it out wondering how we didn't guess it

[limber valve]

I love solving things as much as the next person, but I just worry that we’re all here wasting brain power if it’s not actually active in the game 💀 Either way, I’ll still be here trying to figure it out lol

[lost lichen]

ok, I read something about the mutation points that we give and I think it's an idea worth exploring. Indeed, one of the members of our clan had his adult dragon yesterday. It was at 0.9% (elder tick on IR). He then traveled the map (I'm trying to do the same) and today he is at 22% Elder, and it continues to climb without him doing anything. All his points of mutations are on agility.
I'm resuming his journey with my IR, but I had 0 elder ticks, and my mutation points are on "social". I will let you know if my elder level changes tomorrow.

[turbid yoke]

Oh damn I invoked a clan mate ✨

[short pine]

There's also a possibility that there could ba players keeping it secret that have found it, And there was something in game that I didn't know about (unrelated to eldering) that I only learned existed yesterday (also in spoilers-unlockables despite it not being a real spoiler but still being polite)

[celest knoll]

yeaah but no one set it would be so complex like weird interactions with crystals as example 😄
And when they could change it easily, it must be something realy realy simple in my eyes

[limber valve]

To me It’s hard to confirm if there’s no proof of an actual eldering progress besides passive. I know Jao and mods have “confirmed” it but I need proof

[dry mauve]

Crystals have been out for a while now xD now im on simple like killing 100 bugs

[pearl root]

me 2 ^^

[turbid yoke]

Though gatekeeping isn’t fair, I haven’t seen here anyone from the presumed “pvp clan on official servers that found it »

[dry mauve]

Or drinking from the water sources

[wooden marsh]

or whatever he's going to change it to is simple and easy to create

[celest knoll]

im refering to the "star wars" or "crystal" theorys as example.
i goes maybe 3/3 scav gives you some ticks after every 100 eaten bugs or so

[turbid yoke]

I mean Hive said if read well that it could be doable in every different biomes

[rapid radish]

I'm sure pvp clans have figured something out adn are now gatekeeping it xD

[short pine]

It might still take a while to do, I am hoping they can keep track of elder stats somehow so they will keep it the same if someone is secretly on it and let us all know

[wooden marsh]

because lets face it at this rate we're not going to work it out before 1.0.1 so it's going to get changed

[turbid yoke]

OMG

what if

[rapid radish]

Was there a specific route they traveled?

[turbid yoke]

The way you choose to live as like depending on what were your points are

Make it differ

Like you chose you way

So elder your way

[rapid radish]

And also is this in the official server or private? If private, what is the growth rate speed? 🙂

[languid trout]

If that were true then you’d think the social dragons would have figured it out with breeding and chatting

[short pine]

I am wondering about things dragons might do to be considered Elders, and I am curious about if there might be some extreme feats we might need to repeatedly do? Such as survive extreme odds, like killing another dragon while starving might give you some boost?

I think the skill points would be really cool, that would be such a fun way to get a gamestyle.

[celest knoll]

the only thing that doesnt fit is, why do socials get no ticks for nesting? 😄 but yeah thats what i thinkl

[stark geyser]

I choose to sleep away for millenia like the ancient dragon I shall become

[turbid yoke]

@lost lichen you said reading about the stats from the points I’ll try that with you

[pearl root]

Maybe socials has to bonk 100 times xD

[rough root]

*Holy moly there's so much up here.

[celest knoll]

jesus ok ladys get in line.

[turbid yoke]

Yeah … that wouldn’t add up

[languid trout]

Omg yes, let’s hibernate and wait for a maiden to guard

[vale mortar]

maybe theres where the bloodline comes in that people were mentioning?

idk

[turbid yoke]

Lyn plays with me on sanctuary we play on official

[vale mortar]

or a number of children

[short pine]

Jao did say things against eldering a fresh spawn dragon before, wasn't it encouraged for at least A bloodline?

[rapid radish]

ppl have reached BQ A already and no change fo them

[vale mortar]

hmm

maybe have a certain amount of kids

🤷‍♀️

[celest knoll]

living kids maybe, we killed our renest hatchies 😂

[vale mortar]

xD

[crisp narwhal]

The problem with that is then you get a server full of dragons that all have the same parents and Noone else can nest without inbreeding

We had that problem on the server I play on and it took days to fix it.

[wooden marsh]

yeah we';re trying to avoid it on Jakron

[fringe badge]

Don't get the Cheetah Treatment folks

[dawn pelican]

just because im bored ima try the specific mut point theory. On my way to grow a new ss just to put points into agility and fly around

[vale mortar]

true

[celest knoll]

well yeah low pop servers would also have the probs, not getting enough kids maybe then.
Maybe its more like spending x time with your fresh born and getting ticks for being together over time?
Like its called Social, so playing with your kids when they grow/are fullgrown like a pack would be a thing

[wooden marsh]

idk I spent a good 5 hrs around my kids last night in game

[languid spoke]

i'd theorized it might be tied to that Siberian

[celest knoll]

thats what im doing right now xD

[stark geyser]

Have people tried taking their hatchies high into the air and dropping them? If we wanna try lore stuff, I feel like that might be a good route

[languid spoke]

similar to the offspring trial in BoB

i'm not sure we can rule it out, i know on officials people have to slow grow....but, a lot of people aren't keeping dragons because they're trying to upstat

[lost lichen]

I'm still reproducing his route, he shows me the way XD
and we are on the official server Sanctuary 🙂

[minor hinge]

i got one that was odd i was on my ss music start play out no where like drum i was on ground when it happing.This ever happing to anyone yet

[stark geyser]

I think that's just the sound of someone dying?

[minor hinge]

no one was around me at the time

[lost lichen]

But if the mutation point theory if true, what about the "social" mutation XDXD