Optimization

[dusk prawn]

PLEASE optimize your game much more. It desperately needs it. If people can’t run this game with already decent computers, how in the world is the lag machine of weather going to work. The only people able to play your game right now either have NASA computers or are running it with graphics that look like they’re straight out of 2001.

[vivid lintel]

[blazing jewel]

Optimising this map will likely take a while, so it just something people are going to have to accept for the time being.

But I do agree, it needs alot of optimisation.

[sleek matrix]

I cant open the game and i have windows 11, and its the best computer in my house

[unique furnace]

Telling this since the beginning, lumen is a huge waste of performance sink, all the problems are coming from IT, and IT doesn't even provide that much of an improvement, Other games prooved that they can achieve similar looks with nanite only

Just look at this map,on ue5 without lumen

[grave merlin]

the fact i can run star citizen better than this is funny lmao

hope it does get optimized

[heady wagon]

Wow, that is honestly beautiful :0

Good thing I didn't download the update, I had a feeling it'd be better to wait on more optimization

[grave merlin]

whats even worse is that the fps is capped at 60 hope it gets like a 120 cap or something

[dusk prawn]

This

[woeful wagon]

With a 4070 ti and an i7 12700k I do struggle in 2k.. At least with dlss 3.5 implementation we could reach a decent fps rate

[acoustic heath]

Teah for real

[vital coral]

The fact i can run avatar frontiers of pandora better than this on almost all high graphics is sad.

Game really needs optimization

[grave merlin]

agreed

[prisma nimbus]

the optimization for this game is bad as I can run the isle evrima with everything at epic and get over 60fps with my rtx 3060 the next update needs to be to improve fps

[upbeat cairn]

Absolutely needs optimization, asap. My computer's not top of the line, but it's very decent and runs most games flawlessly on mid to high settings. This game suddenly saps me down to having to put things on low, which makes the game SUPER blurry and difficult to look at for long periods of time. It makes me dizzy and gives me a headache if I'm moving around too much, can't imagine how bad it'll be if I wanted to try some serious PVP.

[calm jay]

Define "very decent"

[upbeat cairn]

Considering this isn't just a me issue, I'm not going into the nitty gritty of my system specs because it's obviously a wider ranging issue.

[calm jay]

Well everyone who is complaining has low end pc's and claim to have mid-high range lol

[calm jay]

Isle doest use the same stuff as this game lol.

[olive spire]

im on a gaming laptop able to run more complex games than this at 60 fps but this game bogs the laptop down so hard im barely getting 6fps and my CPU is overheating to hell. its caused this laptop to crash twice and ive NEVER had that problem until this game. It needs some serious work.

[amber terrace]

I agree with everyone here, this needs to be a priority! My gaming laptop can run basically everything else smoothly on high/epic settings and now I need to use low settings on DoD of all the games and the game looks worse than legacy -.-

[viral eagle]

I'm in the same boat. I don't use a godly machine, but pretty dang good for most games out now. Medium to high graphics on all others. This, Med to mostly low settings to a couple things completely disabled. And yeah I did notice a lot of it boggled down when trying to up the lighting. That High Def Shadows beta thing worked a little, but only so much. I noticed in dark spots the shadows on my dragon model completely failed and I looked like a golden trophy in the sunlight...

[viral eagle]

For me my GPU is working overtime and my CPU on the other hand is taking a nice healthy jog. And this was on optimal lower settings for my machine. GPU usage at 99%. CPU chilling. lol

[unborn jackal]

Agreed this needs to be top priority- I have the same problem

[kindred glacier]

PLEASE optimize it. I can run Path with no lag and decent graphics. I crash when trying to get into this update with EVERYTHING on the absolute lowest setting

[hybrid cairn]

I agree. The optimization for the map right now is extremely poor. People I know of that have 4000s which is way more than what the ridiculous specs the game is asking for to already be recommended can just barely get a stable 60FPS, at most between 40-60. It's not a systems issue, it's a optimization issue on the map.

[topaz umbra]

Yes pls

[acoustic heath]

They need to fix the servers. Cuz i come on there with 45ms and get kicked

[fallen nymph]

its easy to tell people to get a few hundred and get a new pc when youve already got one yourself but average ppl that can run triple A games but not an indie game that looks so unfinished even on high settings… i think hoping for optimization is more than reasonable
i find my game running 60 fps for a few hours and then something specific like a hatching a bio egg or running from an angry SS just out of nowhere freezes the game and i have to close it in task, else it sits there deafening me with wind ambience for the next year

[sacred sonnet]

This is also because it is in fact, an unfinished game and is in the process of being finished. This update is not full release and more optimizations will come as it updates

[amber terrace]

And that is the thing we have been hearing for 5 years. When do we get results.

[prisma nimbus]

they should have wated to they got everything finished and optimized before releasing the update and in my opinion they should be using the ue5 version the isle evrima is using as it looks very good and runs very well better than day of dragons fps

[acoustic heath]

Fr

[acoustic heath]

We want to play dragon game

[sacred sonnet]

So do I, I just have other games I can play while I wait.

[dusk prawn]

Thing is tho, they didn't really have a choice. People were getting upset with the delays we've had already.

[upbeat cairn]

People are upset with the broken buggy mess they've given us, so it doesn't matter, there would be upset either way. Would have been better to take a bit longer to actually give us something workable and deal with the upset over rescheduling tbh

I feel for them, i really do, but man... this isn't great

[dense ferry]

I feel like this was rushed to make the promise of getting it out on the lead developer's late father's birthday
And as someone with a late father that would have thrown more money than reasonable around to have had a chance to play a game like this I can understand that completely, Even if the results might have been bad
Sometimes sentimental values in one's life do outweigh other things, And I am hoping that it is fixed for everyone going forward and optimization can be a big priority

[craggy wadi]

Understandable but not excusable imo, but that’s because game developing is a business that people have put money and time into. Especially for this game having dubious history at best, but I know I sound harsh when I put it like that.

[dense ferry]

Yeah, Again the results were bad as I said, But I am more saying it not to provide it as an excuse, But as the reason that it happened the way it did if that makes sense
Not trying to say it was the right thing, But that this was why it was done, And that my sentimental butt would have probably done similar in that position

[craggy wadi]

I agree! I kinda wish it wasn’t added in the devs post at all, that just stirs up more this game’s controversy in the community of defenders being like “Don’t beat up on it’s for his DAD,” I didn’t think that added post was very necessary, and sometimes I go 🤨 when those little things are added like that.

[rustic sun]

That's literally why it was put in. It's an excuse, albeit one that shouldn't be used in this manner and instead should've been a reason to delay the update

And I mean it's an excuse as in it can be used as a shield and deflect

[craggy wadi]

Yeah I don’t have my blinders on for that at all, lmao

[dense ferry]

I personally wouldn't have added it in, And privately celebrated even if the release went bad so I can understand that
It definitely makes more sentimental people like me react for certain, And my first reaction is to think about what I would do in this situation
It is possible it wasn't intentionally done to ganer these reactions, I personally just overthing everything I do and say so I would be worried it would be making people feel bad if I did

This is not saying it wasn't intentionally done. I have no clue other's intentions. To clarify. Just discussing all possibilities.

[craggy wadi]

Yeah I can’t sit here and say I know exactly why he did it either, if it was any of those things lol. But in the true words of Asmongold, “Customer does not care, they just want to see a good product they’ve been promised.”

And man does this game have a hill to climb to get decent like it’s competitors. It’s ONLY because it’s the dragon creature survival game are people looking at it this hard, until others come in and take it’s place…eventually.

[dense ferry]

In general that is the proper thing to expect from a customer, That they are requesting a good or service to be provided and to recieve proper notification and accurate information on what it is they are receiving and expecting, Absolutely

Personally I am more focused on people first above everything (and i have found many financial setbacks from this it is not a smart way to be a consumer lol)

The detachment is the safest way to be both a seller and a consumer in my opinion

[craggy wadi]

Yeah I’d have a hard time with it too, I think. Or maybe not! I don’t really know

[sacred sonnet]

It’s also harder with indie development, people don’t read early access as “early access to an unfinished product” they just see it’s available to buy and wonder why it’s then not finished or needing many more years of work.

[kindred glacier]

They could have delayed it to optimize and fix bugs, but then to minimize the anger, they could have opened an open test branch so people could get a taste of 1.0 while they fixed it

I would have been fine with that. I'm not alright with the fact that I cant even play the game, even on the lowest settings

[split lily]

Desperately needs to be fixed, yeah. I am literally terrified of what will the newest weather system do to my fps 😂

[rocky vault]

bumping this cause the devs should def consider using a different lighting method

i dunno if i can actually bump this but

it's the thought that counts LOL

[split lily]

You bump this by messaging, I think :>

[woeful wagon]

just implement fsr 3 or dlss 3.5 and all the problems would be solved (if u have a recent gpu) until they understand how to optimize the new engine that it's really heavy with that lightning system.

[topaz umbra]

Yessss

[rocky vault]

On the topic of optimization

I notice that the grass in particular really impacts performance, even with foliage on low

Unsure if it’s cause of lumen lighting? But all I know is when I exit a cave or when I land on the grass, i get 10 fps for a good 10 seconds LOL

[mortal ermine]

I mean, they could

there is a bunch of junk under the map they could prune.

don't ask how I got there. xD

[rocky vault]

Ik how you did, dw LOL

the high def shadows bug is funny

[rocky vault]

why is half of this even under the map ???

[mortal ermine]

most likely upscaling the material and failing to realize they could minimize the polygon count by literally minimizing to half not visible. though, this might need blender and more material counts. having low material does work, but palworld did wonders on how they worked their's. I really don't like comparing games to palworld. LOL especially when it comes to praising how well they did. They earned it plus some.

the ground mesh is by far over used... they have some even overlapping and it's degusting ngl. Just look at that bit to the right. that's a whole nigh unused CHUNK of ground mesh ... :x

This is only a tiny portion of what's under the ground. Unless they plan to make some underground network of tunnels. which would be awesome. This is all nigh pointless and could be minimized to null size and lower polygon count.

[rocky vault]

Jeezus

No wonder performance is so poor rn

Especially when you’re looking at the map directly

[split lily]

I just want more than 20 fps 😭

[upbeat cairn]

to be fair, all the stuff under the map is the beginnings of the cave systems, Jao had talked about that, buuuut yeah... all the meshes and lighting need to be toned down for optimization

[sacred sonnet]

Yeahh the build out probably shouldn't have those there until they're unblocked. Just more to be fixed as the updates go

[heady wagon]

If it's for the cave systems, isn't it useless to have the rock formation look so high quality on the outside ? We aren't supposed to be able to go under the map anyway, they could make it as ugly as possible without anyone noticing and it'd help with performance

[unique furnace]

If it's realy for the cave System we should talk about the fact that if the aborted appendages of the caves tank the performance this much, how bad Will the whole thing be?

[mortal ermine]

I found entire rock structures and ground mesh not connected to the surface, so no. xD
160 N 300 W
I did see 180 N 130 W Paradise's plugged up watering hole.
This is why I said if they plan to make a network of tunnels I don't see why this should be a thing.

[mortal ermine]

that's what I was basically refering to. up in the chat history

[mossy cipher]

The fps cap is kinda annoying, give a uncapped or like a 100+ something cap, trees and giant rocks cause alot of lag ive noticed

[mortal ermine]

if your fps drops below the cap, having a higher cap won't do anything. xd
but still yes. :|

[mossy cipher]

True but i can at least have more frames when i dont lag xd

It the clearings i always have 60 but id like to see a 70 or 100 in thr corner of my screen

[calm jay]

That wouldnt affect performance. Like at all.

[calm jay]

I dont think yall actually understand how the engine renders things. having some low poly rocks under the map wont affect performance.

[calm jay]

Maybe because theres something planned 🤔 Once more, having that does absolutely nothing to affect performance.

[ember berry]

Optimization is top priority if u want to keep ppl playing the game, u cant have more players if the players cannot play the game

[pine ingot]

The way I can run The Isle better than this game

[ember berry]

Aaaand, the legacy ver. Have no servers to play...

Sad, i waited 3 years for nothing

[pine ingot]

I can't even get on the game without crashing

[ember berry]

I cant play, all the servers crashes, even with the lowspec beta

[pine ingot]

It's just crazy that I can run evirma at like 50-60 frames and I can't run this

[ember berry]

URGENT Optimization

[pine ingot]

Same

[ember berry]

Bro, not even the legacy

[pine ingot]

[ember berry]

[pine ingot]

I gave up playing dod until they actually optimize it, I mean I can't even play in the first place that's the thing..

[ember berry]

I feel sad when they post announcement and its for fixing SKIN and not optimizing this-

Like- bro half of the players cant PLAY the game

[pine ingot]

^^

[ember berry]

Why would ppl care about skin first?

[pine ingot]

I'm not upgrading my PC just to play this

[ember berry]

Me neither

But even ppl with good pc cant play this

[calm jay]

Whats your specs.

I have a feeling your running on a minimum 6 year old hardware on a new gen engine.

[rocky vault]

Shifu, at this point, it’s not a matter of a person’s pc

the game is terribly optimized, there’s no excuses lol

Even people with hella super computers can barely get above 30-45 fps while on the ground

[pine ingot]

No offense but it's the fact I can run Isle better than this game

[calm jay]

Lol anyone with a 3070 can run this game. I have a 3070 and can run everything on medium/high lol.

[rocky vault]

yeaaahhh

aren't they...on the same engine,,,?

ue 5.2?

[pine ingot]

They are

Pretty sure..

[rocky vault]

ik evrima's in ue5 at least,,

i would assume 5.2

[grave merlin]

im on a 2060 and have to play on low, i can run star citizen on 100 fps better than this

[calm jay]

Thats 5 years old. On a new gen engine 🤔 While I do agree there needs to be some optimization trying to run the game on 4+ year old hardware that was bare minimum of that generation shouldnt come as a surprise that you need to run on low.

[unique furnace]

A 4-5 year old setup shouldn't be so out of the loop That IT can't or barely can run a game with let's be honest the barest minimum of stuff on the screen, landscapes are Way less resource intensive Than cityscapes or like games with flashy attack animations, and IT still runs like a truck with 5/6 flat tiers...Other games on the same engine with Way more impressive and crowded graphics can achieve Way better optimisation, you can't blame everything on outdated PCs

[grave merlin]

i have a rtx 2060 with ryzen 7 5800x3d it should run this game good

its just the optimization is awful

[rocky vault]

^

[topaz umbra]

^

[pine pollen]

Optimization should absolutely be a priority imo, coming from someone who doesn't develop games and has no experience doing so. I understand focusing on fixing bugs but I can't even get to the spawn screen to pick a dragon, much less actually play. I was able to play for a brief time on lowspec beta but after the newest update it just broke again. You can't even experience bugs if you can't play, y'know? I've been supporting for like three years at this point so I'm just frustrated (and scared about the weather update, which should be exciting instead...)

[mossy cipher]

^^^This, i cant play on regular branch, lowspec still busted and behind so i cant do anything either 😭

[dense ferry]

Optimization and playability is currently prioritized and causing potential delays on content because everyone's abilitg to play is at least important. I hope it helps for everyone ixi

[topaz umbra]

[waxen ridge]

This is how you know its bad LOL

[waxen ridge]

Tbh if it was truly prioritized, then why was the decision to switch to UE5 for a graphics update and to fly through clouds made lol

[unique furnace]

Fly through clouds already existed ín ue4, Draconia had them and I could run that game with my 6+year old mediocre "good for watching netflix" laptop back then

[waxen ridge]

Am I going crazy and misremembering or did Jao/someone said one of the reasons they switched to ue5 was so they can fly through clouds?

[unique furnace]

They did say it

[heady wagon]

When they mentioned the switch to UE5.. I just knew it would cause a lot of issues

[unique furnace]

Yeah

[heady wagon]

I practically accepted not being able to play the game as soon as I saw the news, the engine is just too new and Jao not having the same experience as The Isle's team for exemple.. it was bound to be hard to use

[south axle]

Okay that's just not true. Star citizen is incredibly intense even on lowest settings. I can reliably run DOD on lowest. But star citizen tanks my pc.

[grave merlin]

what

[grave merlin]

what part is not true

[south axle]

Oh I thought you mean generally not you personally

I'll probably mess with the settings to find a good balance of detail and performance

[meager umbra]

Didn't he postpone the update so that he could do precisely this?

[dusk prawn]

To be clear - I did not mean add lower settings. Actually optimize your game. Don’t take the quick way out, please. It sucks for us. This game needs real optimization.

[inland siren]

[upbeat cairn]

[rocky vault]

think it's really funny that the "lower settings" actually made it worse...As they combined HD shadows into the regular shadows setting. Medium shadows and higher are now forced to use "HD shadows"

You can tell it's forced because of the cave lighting bug

[kindred glacier]

The people downvoting this must be the ones with nasa computers 😭

Edit: why in the ever living heck is the cooldown time 2 hours. Turn that off.

[fading garnet]

i have this issue! please! i cannot play the game without it having the same graphics as temple runner 😭

[south axle]

The isle uses lumen. It runs like butter on my 8 year old computer

[unique furnace]

it can be optimized, but it needs serious work to be worth it, and Jao cleary don't know how to do it yet

[rocky vault]

I see a lot of people trying to justify the poor optimization with “well..I have a 3080 and can get 45 fps, it’s clearly optimized”

[kindred glacier]

Them mofos are lying, or their game looks like minecraft XD

[waxen ridge]

Lmao true

[south axle]

45 FPS with a 3080 is like saying it took me 10 hours to write one sentence with this 1000 dollar pen because im trying to write on laminated paper

[rocky vault]

REAL LOL