#Owners and Admins are too heavily restricted

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flint onyx
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As the title implies, i think that the way owners and admins are restricted is just unfair at this point. We can't grow to elder, or ancient, both of which is already proven to be possible from a development aspect, due to such limits being removed in the legacy branch. At the same time, owners can't access player files, can't bring saves to the new update, can't change actual stats (only make E stat spawns), and can't bypass other things which, i feel like, would be beneficial for them to be able to do so.

Let me offer some context - i own a roleplay server, one that's community and RP oriented, and doesn't care so much about the actual in-game progress, more drifting towards character development, so the whole growing and nesting process, questing, stat and skin crafting aren't really huge aspects in my server when it comes to actually working for them, moreso just that your character (specifically special characters) have them, such as my character being an Ancient, some other dragons being Elders, etc... plus, we prefer to moderate who becomes elders and who doesnt.

Ontop of all this, the actual server itself seems too restricted by the game itself. We have our own lore, own RP, own stories and quests, etc etc, so why we may be forced to do in-game quests, is beyond me. Long story short, it's supposed to be MY server, not just a branch of Day of Dragons, i should be able to access, change, and configure my server how i want, any way i want, and if people dont like it then they can leave, which seems fair to me.

I think it'd be far better to give owners greater control over their server, allowing them to change player files at their own risk, so they can change stats, skins, and ages, i think they should be able to specifically grow AND shrink dragons, and i think admins should also have some of these abilities too, etc etc.

All while reserving most of the game's preset gameplay to the OFFICIAL servers, letting custom servers actually be custom.

Thankyou.

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I do want to say that this IS NOT a dig at the devs (they've done a fantastic job with the game, this is just something i personally dislike about the update), or server owners, or admins, or ANYONE, this is just my opinion. Custom servers simply dont feel all too custom, just minimally configurable and still on the same path as official servers. It is too restrictive imo

TL;DR: Custom servers dont feel all that custom, let owners customise them more, aswell as giving them and admins more permissions (owners may be able to customise admin perms aswell)

glossy briar
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i 100% agree. Well said

undone mango
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Yeah I don’t agree that server owners should be allowed to just give everyone the PT and KS skins. Maybe any of the other skins, but not the exclusives.

flint onyx
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I would've specified had i not run out space- .-.

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Sorry 'bout that

undone mango
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Ah, okay no worries.
I otherwise agree with most of this suggestion. A bit more freedom is definitely needed.

flint onyx
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Oh, one other thing i do need to specify

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Before anyone claims im running this all on random assumptions, though some of it is an assumption, since we dont have 1.0 yet, it all comes from things i've heard or seen, from what has been done in the beta builds and legacy branch, the patch notes, and just being a server owner (it gets picked up on)

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Just to clear that up 😄

regal plume
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I'd also love to have my own little server and just set all stats to A for everyone, so nesting would be a skin thing and you don't need to worry about death, thus can have more fun
Servers cost money and most of them won't ever be popular and remain as small communities, so why not let them have their fun
Other abilities like making (non exclusive) nest-skins available from the start, or the ability to grow to elder, of course would be nice to have but the stats just bother me so much because I truly do not enjoy nesting
I was so happy when they said server owners would be able to adjust spawn stats, but only E is disappointing, just let the owners decide

flint onyx
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These are all things i wish server owners could do

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In their config

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Even permission setting for admins would be nice, but that's easier said than done

drifting robin
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I am with you on this one. Well said.

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Like....custom servers should be customizable to a fair degree IMO. While I don't expect these changes to happen with this specific update, I am heavily in favor for non-official hosted servers to be able to customize things as they see fit.

As a RPer myself, I'd like greater flexibility on all these fronts, and we can only really achieve this with server admins being given the tools to achieve this. This would not affect official servers in any capacity anyways,.

flint onyx
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Indeed, i completely agree. (btw, you reacted with yes and no votes 😄 )

drifting robin
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Whoops lmfao.

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Even RP servers and RPers that follow official lore, there's no reason to restrict a lot of these things anyways. That is more of a personal choice at this point.

flint onyx
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It's safe to say mine does NOT follow official lore, hence why i feel so restricted

regal plume
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People that don't like it can just
Not play on that server
Many will keep the game as "intended" so it'd be easy to avoid those that prefer adjusting it to their wants
Maybe if you join a server it could show the settings a bit, like "static stats enabled" or something

flint onyx
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Yeah, that'd be really good. The whole reason we have such a variety of servers is so each player can find and play on one that suits THEIR style

drifting robin
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And this would also go beyond just RP purposes too. Non-official servers being able to cater their own playspaces to the vision they see fit with how they want to run things.

flint onyx
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Indeed. Some nesting servers could fuind it very helpful too

regal plume
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Casual, Deathmatch and RP would all definitely benefit from more options

daring forum
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hey arceon, what is your rp server called? it sounds really fun

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i might wanna join it

flint onyx
daring forum
flint onyx
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Yes

daring forum
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nah that's alr, i just wanna play on the dod server

flint onyx
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Ok then!

daring forum
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if i need the discord link for some reason im sure someone in game will give it to me anyway. ty tho :D

flint onyx
daring forum
floral meteor
flint onyx
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I'll forgive you plugging your suggestion for the sole fact that i see the benefits it has, being a server owner

outer shard
vivid birch
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AMEN TO THIS, admins need every customization possible. Elders, ancients, high stats, all of it

covert venture
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Agreeeeeed

covert venture
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Scratch that I found it

twilit jetty
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So, admins are unable to elder?

flint onyx
regal plume
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Something I just remembered that'd also be perfect as a server setting is allowing any dragon to naturally grow to elder and generally adjusting growth rates
Really hoping they'll add a lot more to it in the future

flint onyx
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Just gives extra ticks

regal plume
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Ah that's nice, haven't had a server in a.. hot minute xD

flint onyx
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I would like to make passive eldering something that can be disabled though

drifting robin
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Adjustable from 0 to however the upper limit would allow would be nice yeah. We can prevent hatchlings from growing apparently so I don't see why we can't stop passive eldering.

floral meteor
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@flint onyx does including more options for spawning AI fit into this post? (i'd like to just say spawn 25 bugs or custom #) for example in one command to help feed hatchlings

flint onyx
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So it's not one at a time?

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If so, that's a great idea, and could be included yes

floral meteor
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yes please

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thank you 🙏

flint onyx
# floral meteor yes please

I'd personally make a new suggestion for it though, just for better commands - this suggestion is more to do with server configs and permissions. Case in point: 'custom servers aint all that custom'. You're more suggesting convenience with commands, which is still good nontheless

floral meteor
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gotcha alrighty

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it kinda fit here so wasnt sure

flint onyx
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Dw about it. Feel free if you wanna make a suggestion for it and link it in here

floral meteor
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oh one for your actual post, a server setting to allow players to slay themselves

flint onyx
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Fr that should be a thing

floral meteor
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+Server Setting for webhooks based on actions like chat messages/commands/deaths for this thread

regal plume
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Hoping that, since it's been suggested many times before, each with a lot of upvotes, they will add these things to the config
Also, once the bigger dragons that have cooldowns release, I'd love a setting that disables spawn cooldowns and population restrictions or even adds them, for other uses

ancient atlas
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I agree as well. I own a server and I feel more like a player than an owner of a server.

flint onyx
regal plume
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Was gonna comment here today, been trying to set up a server on an old PC, for the fact that you either gotta spend hours to figure out why it won't show up (it still doesn't, I want to cry.) or pay 20$ (the price of the whole game) a month, I don't understand why allowing us to edit stats and grow to elder is such a nono

outer shard
covert venture
# outer shard tbf private is private, let people be free of whatever they want. it has nothing...

A g r e e d.
Let private servers do what they want. There's already drama between the community, and trying to crack down on not letting private servers do what they want will inevitably kill the game.

I understand that it is technically their wip game, but we purchased it. Once we bought stuff, it isnt just theirs anymore. It is ours. And people should be able to do what they like with our servers on our games.

(An exception only if servers are making money by depriving content from the game. I feel like donations are fine since it's... a donation... but having to pay real money for certain perks is a big no no)

outer shard
covert venture
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Exactly. Cracking down on private servers for doing something unique will inevitably drive away private servers, leaving people either going to official where things are bad enough as is, or just not playing at all

regal plume
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Servers that want to make people pay real money for some things can however also just be avoided
Shouldn't punish everyone for a few people trying to profit
Right now, we're super lacking in terms of options, and I hope they find the time to give us more, maybe once the brood watcher is done, in case these things would need some time
Official servers definitely would not dry out from more options, I'm rather sure it would actually make more people play the game and a lot more wanting to set up servers

flint onyx
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Rq bump, see if we can get more votes

gentle rapids
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Counterpoint:

Just add the ability to mod the game through steam workshop.

All problems will be solved in like 2 weeks lol

flint onyx
gentle rapids
flint onyx
gentle rapids
flint onyx
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Plus, it doesn’t make much sense to me for some things to be configurable, and other configurables requiring a mod

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(I also want it to tend specifically how I want it, than to whatever the mods require/bring)

gentle rapids
# flint onyx I have. And, I’ve encountered many errors due to this exact problem. Not all of ...

I'm not saying they shouldn't ofc. But I am saying that even if they didn't do it in a way you like, mods would fix your issue. Custom server mods, ect.

Idk if you've only had bad experience with it im certainly not going to convince you otherwise but as someone who runs an RP community across 2 massive survival games with a few thousand players, I will tell you that mods are invaluable.

But yeah of course if they implement them wrong that's just not gonna work.

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If this game had them community servers would out populate the official, 100%. Just look at scaleworks even without any of this XD

flint onyx
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Mods do come with their benefits, and sure, maybe they could help, but I just don’t want the clutter - maybe a suggestions for mod support is in order? gib

flint onyx
gentle rapids
gentle rapids
drifting robin
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The only mod I’d want is custom 3D models XD

untold isle
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I know a few friends who had a server but it's down for now because they can't ensure a standard stat build. Back to the point the community server admins/owners don't have enough customization settings or powers. Unsure about this but I believe even re-aliving a dragon was complicated and still is...

flint onyx
# untold isle I know a few friends who had a server but it's down for now because they can't e...

Restoring dragons is a bit difficult at times. I still dont get it fully, but i think it's along the lines of:
If you lose a dragon, it dies, then gets put into a reserve area for 30 minutes - if you get restored, it replaces your current dragon with the originally dead one (killing thwe new one, so use a placeholder). After the 30 minutes, or if you log out i think, the dragon is gone forever

untold isle
flint onyx
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And, yes, by all means, DoD's method seems rather flawed

untold isle
# flint onyx How do BoB and PoT do it?

For Path of titans, I only seen a few settings, but each dino stat can be set up or down in a number based where all dino have a number base scaling but each stat can be messed with, in-game coins that buy in-game skins and abilities can be given out but not exclusives; there no nesting yet for Path. BoB has more setting for like growth timing and map buliding, but an Admin can stay set inherits of stats for nesting events for the parents on thier dino or parents/players or at the very least for reset stat points for players. Pot and Bob both can grow/resize dino too. Admins screens a similar but different but most are able to figure quickly or have support pages for it.

untold isle
flint onyx
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A better system, imo, could be saving all people's dragons as an object in the program that has a designated ID, then admins can find the dragon using it's species, age, skin, gender, and name (if RP is enabled), and restore that

drifting robin
flint onyx
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Owners can delete dragons permanently, if it means saving on storage

drifting robin
flint onyx
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(I really hope this suggestions gets alot of likes, maybe devs will see it that way)

flint onyx