#Differing PT & KS Shimmers [Metallics]

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royal lark
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Patreon:
100LT: Bronze Shimmer
200LT: Silver Shimmer
300LT: Gold Shimmer

Kickstarter:
KS: Rainbow Shimmer

Differentiating the shimmers between KS' and PT would allow both parties to show off how they supported the game, and allow them to apply the shimmer they own to any skin in the game, except, each others exotics.

  • [Ex. No Bronze/Silver/Gold on White/Grey/Black, and no Rainbow on Crimson/Gold.]

Changing them this way would allow both parties to apply shimmers, including KS, as has been something they have been asking for since it was ever announced, long before it was implemented for PT. I feel this area in particular is where most KS strife is coming from.

This gives patrons more shiny new cosmetics, while KS' get to fully utilize what they were given, and both parties can be satisfied.

  • It allows for more wiggle room with future patron rewards (metallics, gemstones, etc?), without overlap with KS'.
  • Fixing the 'KS vs PT' strife that has existed for far too long
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    Allowing both KS and PT the same level of freedom, while still differentiating the shimmers would allow both to appreciate each other without feeling disappointed on either side.

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I disagree with the notion that KS deserve more things than they were given, however, I feel the that the shimmer they were given should be expanded on, like allowing their shimmer to be applied to all skins, rather than just the exotics.

I also believe that PT rewards should not be restricted by, or even related to KS' rewards. Both of them should be completely exclusive to each other. Meaning, PT' can have infinitely more rewards per tier, as long as it isn't something that KS was given as a reward.

balmy gale
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Take my upvote, I don't think ks should get more stuff either, but what we have should be respected and not nerfed to nothingness or given out to others...
I also think that non-ks/pt should get some ways of obtaining these (or similar) shinies as well, because let's not forget that future spenders start out as "free" players and if the game threats them like a walking wallet, they won't be too happy or willing to actually pay

royal lark
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I think that other shimmers should be obtainable in game for sure, possibly through bosses and other quest methods

balmy gale
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yeah, i wouldn't mind an "elder shimer" either, would make recognizing elders easier

full fjord
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I am personally from the part of KS that isn't here for skins but simply for the dragon I baked for, and the game in general, but I still completely agree with both of your statements
I'd love a different shimmer applicable everywhere, not to show off but to simply enjoy the only "exclusive" thing I got since I didn't get to buy the Leuc and Grey skins

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I don't really enjoy having to play Mela 24/7 to have the shimmer mainly when I see it looking so awesome on certain skins, it's always a little bummer

royal lark
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It really is, it really feels like a kick to the gut for PT to be able to enable Shimmer on everything, but not KS, when they’ve been requesting that exact thing for such a long time prior to that.

balmy gale
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Exactly

sage sapphire
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Kickstarters have been kicked to the curb

balmy gale
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We do, but nobody believed me when I said a year ago XD

echo obsidian
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i remember seeing this before but i hadn't upvoted it yet - i agree entirely

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pt getting omni-shimmer didn't feel right, but a metallic shimmer that works the same way? seems like a flawless solution to me

hushed light
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Not gonna lie I forgot I upvoted this
But upon thinking again, I have a small disagreement

Pt200 has already obtained gold skin, I think bumping its shimmer up 100 more is unfair
Instead, Might I suggest:
PT100 - Metallic
Makes dragon look metallic as base colour
PT200 - Metallic Gold
Makes dragon look metallic with gilded accents, Also keep gold skin
PT300 - Gemstone
Make it so it has 'facets' that shine brighter or look darker depending on how light hits it, Like a glitter look but not so tiny or sparkly, Some gemstones will have facets that shine a different colour than the base gem, Such as Opals for example as well, So occasional contrasting shines

This would make KS shimmer look like iridescence, And keep PT shimmers going along the metallic themes

That being said, I would never take away the rainbow shimmers from any PT that has already obtained rainbow shimmers.
I also would love shimmers someday to be breedable, So my comment about making KS and PT shimmers isn't because 'mine', It is because 'lets add more things'

sage sapphire
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Shimmers would be super nice to be breedable, and i love this idea 100%

rich pumice
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Aren't we KS asked for enough? We already have to deal with people begging for the white, black, and Grey skins.

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Besides, they already cheapened the black skin by making it unlockable.

hushed light
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When shimmer was announced on a public kickstarter post it was said it was planned for pt and possibly inheritable, I do not think that discussions on varying shimmers or potential inheritability takes from KS, Considering it is just expanding on the original idea
I like the idea of varying shimmers not for exclusivity but for all of the shinies that could accent different skins so well

balmy gale
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It was also said that it may be put on special event skins unlockable in-game, so making it breedable wouldn't really matter, especially if the chances of it passing would be like how gold is now XD

keen jacinth
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i think having the rainbow shimmer is a cute way to say you supported the game when it needed it. weather that was at the start or not. stop trying to separate KS and PT for doing basically the same thing. i think both PT and KS should be able to shimmer ALL skins.

balmy gale
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Agreed

outer berry
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I like this but it would be cool to have a shimmer especially since you can't apply shimmer to leum leuc and mela skin!! And those are one of my fav and id be happy to have at least some shimmer for those. i find it pretty unfair that only ks can apply shimmer to ks skins, just bc i didnt know the game at that time i cant have acces to certain things in this game now

outer berry
outer berry
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it would be awesome if the devs could agree with this idea and try out different shimmers and then make a vote what the patreons think would look cool as other shimmer version

lone loom
sage sapphire
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What if they made it so that the ks shimmers passed with nesting? Similar to how bobs glimmers/shimmers pass with nesting

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It would allow players to really focus on keeping those dragons while also having access to exclusive content given to the ks or pt players

balmy gale
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it was already discussed at the beginning, when ks asked for shimmer on every skin, and Jao said sure, if it can be nested, and the ks community voted no (i wasn't here then, or well i was, i just forgot to get back my title XD)
sad thing, i would be totaly fine with nestable shimmer if it means we can have it on everything

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it was also said that shimmer won't be ks/pt exclusive and they will use it on specific event skins what the community can win, and if they let us shimmer everything then those skins would lose value, but here we are with the patreon shimmer...

full fjord
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Make the shimmer of each of these event skins unique, and allow KS to finally apply shimmer to everything like Patreon.

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The current shimmer can't possibly look good with everything they can come up with, so the best is to just make these event skins have unique shimmer that emphasize their uniqueness and fits the colors. Cuz a rainbow isn't gonna look great on stuff like greens or oranges..

outer berry
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Patreon can't apply it to everything either and for players like me where I do play main mela and leum I wish I could use shimmer on them

full fjord
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By everything I meant all skins that aren't KS for the current Patreon shimmer. Honestly, this post is a great idea. Simply make KS and Patreons have different shimmer and allow them to apply it on any skin. I don't really care if a Patreon applies their shimmer to a nested mela or leum dragon, it's just a skin in the end.
And it's just for the best to allow players to use something they paid money for.

outer berry
balmy gale
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couldn't have said better, Locheia

full fjord
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You gonna make me blush, I was mainly agreeing with you all haha steve

lone loom
# sage sapphire What if they made it so that the ks shimmers passed with nesting? Similar to how...

there was a topic about this ages ago XD ks had rainbow shim.. when nesting 1 color of shim peels off the parents onto the children.. so here's examples of shimmers..
grey shimmer (Silvers)
Luec & White Shimmer (Diamonds)
mela shimmer (Obsidians)
PT shimmers: (gold metals and fire colors..)

the base color of the KS or PT shimmers peel off and onto the baby.. based on the theme.. but yes like bob 😛 a whole crafting tree opens up here..

echo obsidian
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Who keeps messaging in here and then deleting it? 😂

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Bump the thread by all means but I keep thinking I'm going crazy

balmy gale
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Same XD I thought IT was discord acting up

lone loom
outer berry
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I find it kind of unfair, that the people that didn't get the chance to buy KS, wont have any possibility to add any kind of shimmer to ks skins, especially since white and black are "standard" skins. So just let the patreons be able to add the bronze/silver/gold shimmer also to ks skins and let the ks just purchase patreon with the normal crimson and gold shimmer reward, (but no bronze, silver and gold shimmer for gold/crimson) this way ks and Patreon are still different but both would have the possibility to apply a kind of shimmer to all skins) and Ks also got the skins and patreons that really love the ks skins (but didnt get the chance of getting ks(maybe bc they didnt know the game existed at that time/ or bc of money problems) can apply their patreon shimmer on them so everybody has something (since ks can have patreon but patreon cant have ks it would be more than fair to give patreon shimmers for the ks skins)

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outer berry
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balmy gale
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a ks, who purchased the biggest pack with all 3 skins has 3 skin in total what they can shimmer up, while patreon can do that with any skin EXCEPT that 3, i find it unfair that if i want to show my support to the game i'm stuck with being black grey or white, otherwise nothing sets me apart by the looks, while patreon has simmer on (almost) everything, the sky jellyfish and gold skin
i don't oppose patreon shimmering up ks skins, if ks gets the same option to put shimmer on anything as well, otherwise let us keep at least this small thing

but i also think that there should be in-game unlockable shimmers to get by playing, what looks different than both ks and patreon, so everyone can have some pretties if they want

outer berry
balmy gale
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so you're saying that asking someone to pay 200 more for the patreon shimmer after they already bought the 200+ ks pack is fair? and i think the more pattern-busy skins, like the content creator or the sandslayer looks way better than the one color ones
and altho yes ks gets an easy first access to the dragons, look into yourself, how many times did you spawn in from the wild? i can count on one hand, everyone nests, so the ks "preivilege" gets old and useless fast, the only dragon what realy counts as a privilege was the hybrid, but with no way of upstatting spawned ones, it's irrelevant as well

outer berry
lone loom
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@outer berry Back in the day we had Shimmer topics of the shimmer colors be different.. But it felt to me it got ignored. I feel ya... But i just think it be better the KS people could get like the white skin backers have when they shimmer their dragon as it becomes a different color of skin.. With an added rainbow shimmer ontop of it (which we KS could remove by removiving the option to have the shimmer ontop of it and just have the skin).. When if jao could give the KS backers thier own pearl.. (White Pearl, Silver Pearl, Black Pearl)

Yeah @balmy gale l i feel you i feel you on that on so many levels.. It frustrates me... Just let the backers have what they were promised its not that hard to do..

Theres alot that makes me go bonkers about..

balmy gale
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we can agree on that, ks should have been handled better, and we already made a lot of suggestions on how to appease the frustration of the removed perks (don't misunderstand me, it's still a great deal, but it's nit what was promised and people are mad about that) but they sistematicaly shut down any request of ours but keep removing from the perks slowly but surely until nothing is left or straight up give it to patreon (ks asked for shimmer on everything by the time it was announced, but we were told no because it's "supposed to be something rare" and they said it will be used later on on even reward skins, so giving the ability to simmer everything would take away the value of the event skins, and look at it now, patreon still gets to shimmer stuff)

lone loom
balmy gale
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that will change with 1.0

lone loom
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Here is that topic.. I found it.. (Well suggestion)

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royal lark
# outer berry I find it kind of unfair, that the people that didn't get the chance to buy KS, ...

I personally still highly oppose the idea of any kind of shim (PT or otherwise) being used on KS exotics, and vice versa- no KS on PT) both in my mind are completely separated. I also don’t think they should be considered the “standard skins” either, as they are exotics. People paid a lot of money for these, especially with that promise of something exclusive, that boundary shouldn’t be danced on more.

To put that into perspective a bit, imagine PT rewards came to a halt and were no longer available, and were true exclusives, and non PT wanted access and to apply (some other) shimmer to them anyway because it’s ‘not fair’ that they didn’t get PT when it was open.

You don’t have to agree with my opinion, by any means, however I think it seems like a rather fair point.

Edit: The only way i think that a person should be able to apply KS shim/PT shim to each other’s skins is if they own both.

balmy gale
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👆

long holly
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Personally hard disagree with this, Jao has said many times Shimmer being added to the ks skins was an added bonus it was not a promised thing it was simply a hey guys here you go.

Shimmer is primarily a patreon reward and frankly the only really cool one that they get. I don't understand why you want patreon to have a different shimmer to yours when there's already a huge difference in the fact they don't have Mela, leuc or leum shimmer let alone all the other rewards ks get that many would give an arm and a leg for as it is.

balmy gale
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Shimmer wasn't a "kickstarter thing" neither was it a "patreon exclusive" IT was given to both at the same Time, I can show you the email announcement we got about It
IT was given to ks in exchange for the changes to the ks perks, so IT belongs to us just As much IT belongs to you.
And what other rewards are you talking about?
The Spawn ín ability, what you can also unlock, but nobody uses either Way because eggs are Superior?
The bio dragon what can't even defend it's own nest from the micro and Is a free snack for anyone?
The skins what can be bred and now are more common Than "common" skins?
The hybrid Spawn is the only so-so reward but IT Will lose it's relevance soon after people figured out how to mass produce A statted ones
These so called "perks" are not As beneficial As a lot of people think

long holly
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And you have it why does yours need to be different from ours? Thats the whole thing that I just do not understand

People see a Ks shimmer and know exactly how rare and special that is so many lose their minds whenever they see one. No one would mistake and overo shimmer for a mela unless their eyes needed some serious help

Yes the ability to spawn in unlockable dragons ahead of everyone else is an absolute huge reward why do you think it isnt? Imagine come the update the only nurse dragons around will be the kickstarters we dont just magically get 18a.

Bio dragon is a massive fan favorite especially out of the upcoming dragons, look at the fan art alone. Once again ks only dragon bar a few Exceptions

If you think being able to spawn a hybrid isnt a reward then Someone could give you a pile of gold and im sure there will still be something to complain about

Pt rewards especially for the amount of money needed to reach certain goals arent half as great at what KS get. Rage emote, laugh emote, 2d jellies, shimmers and 1 plushy. I think many would trade them especially for the ability to spawn unlockable dragons

outer berry
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^

balmy gale
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different shimmer wasn't my idea, i don't mind ks and patreon sharing the same shimmer, (altho i suggested different shimmer as a rare unlockable reward) i'm just against pt shimmering up ks skins, since that's all we got
spawning in as a dragon is an advantage, for...half a day until someone figures out the method of unlocking the dragons, then it's just like everyone else, and after the 1st nest on a server nobody will care about spawning in anymore since everyone will be popping out babies left and right, did not having the ability to spawn in as an ASD hinder those who doesn't own the dlc?
Bio isn't a "ks only" dragon, it can nest, and it nests fast, i bet you on day 1 of it's release everyone and their gods will have a bio no matter who bought/won the right to spawn
As i said, spawning a hybrid will be beneficial for the beginning, but after people already filled the server with A stat hybrids (which will happen, i'm sure of it) the spawned in E hybrid will be expendable, and what do you think how many people will be willing to give an already rare hybrid egg for someone who can 'just spawn in" if a kickstarter wants to upstat?
patreon rewards are more on the visual with pretty skins and cosmetics, and people go nuts for those as well, i myself would gladly trade for the ability to shimmer everything and the gold skin, but as things are handled, i'm not confortable spending more on the game

long holly
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Far more then half a day, I'm not sure if you were around for fs upstatting but ks were integral for it, spawning in their dragons growing them nesting people then killing it to spawn a new one. It was tedious but the ones that put in the hard work made it possible to even upstat the dragon. You can't compare asd to ks spawning it's not remotely similar, there's far far more people who can spawn asd then there are ks.

Bio is a ks dragon at the end of the day you guys (+ some rare lucky people) are the only ones that are going to be able to help people get it, just as the same will go for mimikor. Who cares if it will spread like wildfire you get to be the ones that help people get it, what would you rather no one but ks get it at all?

I think the rarity and difficulty of hybrid will likely be comparable to gold crafts. Many people won't have a chance to really get one unless they can nest themselves so the ability to spawn one will always be a huge bonus especially on PvP servers where you know full well those things will be kos. Also that logic is like saying why would anyone nest ks a leuc/leum/Mela when you can spawn one in or nest a pt gold when they can spawn one in. Likely yes you'll need to either wait or have friends willing to nest you depending on the servers you play on but that goes for anything that's rare people spend time helping those close to the before randoms

That's fair and plenty would trade for what you have. I do think we derailed the post a bit thereToothless_Uhh

balmy gale
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tbh, i would gladly let the bio be unlockable if it gets at least some sort of self defense (i don't consider speed self defense when an asd or plasma can just snipe your ars from across the map XD)
we can agree on that the hybrid being upstatted by regular nesting is a bad decision, but yeah that's another suggestion XD

long holly
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Mimikor will be in the same boat, defenceless and probably like the bio one shot by everything dracthyr_joy

The hybrid is an interesting one honestly, I do think the original idea would not have worked in any way people would have gotten hybrids for their alts before some even got them for their Mains. But I do agree the fact ks can't upstat theirs outside of nesting is a weird decision. I'm primarily pve so I wouldn't personally care since they can't nest anyway but I can imagine on PvP people will be targetted hard who have a hybrid

balmy gale