#Remove the Cuddle Dragon please

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Cuddle Drake*

unpopular opinion I'm sure, but get rid of the "Cuddle Drake". I'm going to assume it's "cuddles" on to players and then can ride them etc, which is pointless. Can we stop adding things that bring NOTHING to the game please? It's in the same update as the Long Drake, instead of adding something stupid (and it is stupid, I'm sorry to say) let's add something useful like a Water Drake and instead of 1 water dragon in that update we can have 2.

Please stop adding these useless dragons to appease the people who want cute things, it's a Dragon survival game, not my little pony.

haughty nebula
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I personally don't wanna look forward to anything cute until we get some more big Boi Dragons in. As long as it's managed well its fine

daring smelt
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I think you forgot the fact that this "Cuddle Drake" got "Patreon" in it, meaning it will be behind a paywall like the Gold Skin (that many people cannot buy because 200$ is just not available to everyone).
If that Patreon dragon would actually bring something very valuable to the game, it could, and will be considered, pay to win. Just like if the Bio dragon would have more uses than it has right now, the marking and fastest speed make it perfect for scouting.

I do agree that we are in a dragon survival game, but real life also got very cute animals, so as long as the devs don't overdo it with a "cute cosmetic dragon" every update it should be fine.

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I do agree tho that the main focus should be proper gameplay dragons, and not the cutesy "my little pony" as you said

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There's a simple fix, remove it and add a water drake that's part of the update, not part of patreon

daring smelt
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I guess they are trying to find ways to make Patreon more appealing, not everyone is into the skins I suppose

potent badge
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They can just make a Coral Reef kind of skin for both the Long Drake & Water Drake

daring smelt
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I mean, they could also provide a water drake to Patreons and make it unlockable per server like the KS dragons became

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and have that on patreon instead

daring smelt
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I do see where you're coming from and I agree, I also want proper dragons in the game

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Maybe it is the Patreons who asked for one ? As KS got their own "cute" dragon

potent badge
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Yeah, this cute stuff is just useless and stupid, I backed for a dragon survival game, not this crap.

daring smelt
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Well for now it is only two, and this one is far down the line so there is no need to get upset about it for now. As I said, as long as they don't overdo it with a cute dragon every update it should be fine

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If they decide to push it forward instead of other dragons that we waited for, then that's a reason to get upset

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Well, it depends how you see it. I'd rather have something like this stop now before it gets to a point where they want to roll them out consistently as DLC.

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Because that's 100% where it ends up

daring smelt
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That's a good point, we'll see how the devs handle it

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I'd be more frustrated about Patreons getting a very good/powerful dragon tho, that's be truly unfair. At least it's just going to be cute, that's some positive I guess ?

potent badge
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I already know, they won't and do what they want. The Micro and Shimmer only exist because Parrot wanted them, it's probably why the Cuddle Drake is even an idea at this point. Whats next?

daring smelt
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I mean, the Micro got uses and has a unique gameplay and abilities, so it isn't too bad. But I do hope they don't go overboard with this

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These "cute" things could very well be added as prey AI's

potent badge
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Yeah it does, but it's the first iteration of a "cute dragon"

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The Bio design came after

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and that's also useless

daring smelt
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True, but at least Micro isn't useless. And I am pretty sure they made the Bio how it is because it was a certain KS tier, which not everyone has, and won't be unlockable

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Again, making the Bio a strong dragon would've been absolutely unfair to the people who can't access it without nest or unlocking

chilly spruce
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I have to disaggree with ya post, sorrz. But cuddle dragon is a yes in my books XD

daring smelt
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If this cuddle dragon ends up becoming the "Buff Dragon" of the Alpha, I'd be very sad to see it become a Patreon exclusive

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chilly spruce
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So there's already some Pay to Win element in the game just with that

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I hope it gets scrapped because its stupid

chilly spruce
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Cuteness is never stupid

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Well that's my opinion at least

potent badge
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In a survival game... it kinda is

daring smelt
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There is some in a sense ye, but at least these DLC will be always available, unlike KS stuff

potent badge
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Yeah because all you want to do Roze is play dragon VR chat xD

daring smelt
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Imagine DoD in VR tho

potent badge
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Thats what PvE servers are

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DoD VR chat

chilly spruce
daring smelt
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Not VR chat, just VR

potent badge
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Yeah, just VR

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Dont even get the tag of chat xD

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and if I'm not mistaken it's largely the PvE community that advocate for this cute crap

daring smelt
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I mean, I am talking about the cool "sensations" it could have to actually see the new Map in VR x')

chilly spruce
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Well I'm from the PvP community lmao

potent badge
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GnD is a glorified PvE server

chilly spruce
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I play in US1 buddy

potent badge
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Cool, but when I played on a server with you, you never came out to fight, just afk'd at arch the the whole time.

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Anyway, this is off topic

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Down with pointless game additions

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Such as the Cuddle Drake

daring smelt
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I mean, it's the kind of stuff you add once you have a good amount of actual content in your game

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If people really want it

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haughty nebula
daring smelt
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I am happy that it isn't some strong Patreon exclusive dragon at least, that'd make it worse for me

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They'll be happy with their cute little thing, and they won't be roasting my face with something that I can't afford at least

potent badge
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I just want useful dragons added to help further the gameplay. I don't like seeing the budget being wasted on concepting, modelling and animating a dragon or drake that adds literally nothing to the game.

daring smelt
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I agree with you, at least this dragon is funded by the Patreons for the Patreons

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Like, I want real content as well

haughty nebula
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Also I think Addy just wants the main Dragons to be a focus before other dlc/exclusives are made

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Even then, it just doesn't fit what the game is suppose to be.

haughty nebula
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Which I think most can agree with

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From my understanding it was basically the Isle, but with dragons and some RPG elements

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Not BoB

daring smelt
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I wanted my Singe before they worked on Bio, because fewer people have the Bio and it made more sense to work on the milestones dragons first. But oh well..

potent badge
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Where you see neon dinos roaming about

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Yeah i agree, the Bio should have been last on the list

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It adds nothing to the game, the Singe does

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I should have been given priority based on that

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It*

daring smelt
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There is the marking, scouting role and all the Shimmering Caverns but we didn't need the Bio for the Caverns to happen

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It happened already so there is no need to dwell on the past I guess. But ye, I agree on the actual content being first priority

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Well not really, the Bio is suppose to have weak stam, so it won't be a great scout

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and the marking is also pointless, because why bring a bio to mark when you can bring anther combat dragon and then call out a target over voice

daring smelt
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You can have weak stam and just play it all around the speed and manoeuvres

potent badge
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Imo u'd be better off with the Singe

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Or if you want to be sneaky, the micro

daring smelt
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If the group has people with the same skin, you're gonna have a hard time knowing which one you're talking about x)

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But ye, you could just bring a combat dragon as well

potent badge
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If you say "go on the same target im shooting at" it;'s very simple

daring smelt
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I mean, good point

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I'm used to playing with people that aren't good at listening coms (cough cough overwatch)

potent badge
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It's just a redundant mechanic and also an excuse to make more "pretty glowy skins"

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Which i guarantee will be sold as DLC in some form down the line

daring smelt
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The skins also work in the Shimmering Caverns so it isn't all exclusive to the Bio

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Thankfully tho, because what a waste that would be

potent badge
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I get it in a cave and what they are going for etc

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But its literally the Bio's ONLY role is to make someone pretty an glowy

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How unbelievably pointless

daring smelt
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I said these exact words when I saw what it's purpose was haha, I was so disappointed for my Singe

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Yep, the prioritisation on the Bio is backward imo

daring smelt
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Let's just hope the devs don't overdo it with the cutesy and focus on the main content

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I am going to be mad if they rush to the cuddle dragon over other important dragons

potent badge
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The Nurse would have been, in my opinion the better choice as it directly adds to an already existing gameplay loop

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But that or the Singe bring infinitely more value than the Bio

daring smelt
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Also ye, these two were planned to come before the Micro and Bio before

potent badge
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Yep

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But it's done now, I just don't want to see stupid stuff like that cuddle drake added, which is also taking priority over

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it's being made before these... whoever choses these priorities needs to re-evaluate what actually adds to the game and what doesn't

daring smelt
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Well hopefully it will be a quick work so they can focus on these..

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They sound very interesting

potent badge
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Or priorities them properly and get rid of that cuddle crap

daring smelt
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If it's a promise made to Patreons, I have high doubts it will get scrapped

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Mainly if the Patreons asked for it themselves

terse moth
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I mean all the unlockable KS dragons are coming first which adds a lot. A lot of mechanics are also ahead of it. It could be a loooong time before this "cuddle drake" even comes to the game. Honestly I don't see why it is such a big deal?

On top of that DoD has a lot coming to it that makes it MORE than a survival game and as someone who has and does play a lot of survival games I am all for it being MORE than "just" a "survival game".

Really adding another cosmetic dragon won't and isn't hurting production like you are makIng it sound. Why deny somethIng other people might enjoy just because it is something you personally don't like?

potent badge
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All we can do is hope xD

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Literally adds nothing to the game

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The dragons queued after it actually bring far more to the game

daring smelt
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As long as the promised content comes first, dragons and mechanics included, I'll be happy. I prefer that over being roasted alive by an exclusive dragon

terse moth
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It adds something to the game for people that enjoy it and enjoy nesting. It just adds nothing You Personally. It is like staying PvP adds nothing to the game for people that Only enjoy PvP. As someone that enjoys PvP and PvE, fighting and nesting for cosmetic looks, these points seem down right silly to me.

daring smelt
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For all we know "Cuddle Drake" could mean some sort of parasite drake that "cuddles" you

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It's not likely but it could be the case

terse moth
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And I agree, Locheua. The promised KS unlockables should come first.

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terse moth
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That is you opinion.

potent badge
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At minimum if they won't remove it, put it at the end

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it's a fact, not an opinion, it doesn't bring anything to the game

terse moth
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It gives something for people to nest, it adds something to nester that enjoy that game content.

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So just add another useful dragon instead if they want something to nest?

daring smelt
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Well I'll be out of this discussion, I am feeling very hurt and I need rest. Take of yourselves and don't get too upset over this guys bioheart

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It was a pleasure talking with you

terse moth
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It is a Patreon dragon that adds to the game, encouraging more people to be patron fund8ng the game for them to make more dragons that people like you want 🙃

potent badge
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You too locheia, take care.

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terse moth
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Take care Locheia, feel better.

terse moth
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No, it doesn't have to be a PvP dragon

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It just has to be useful in some way

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Also you can make a dragon that's functional that people will also enjoy, likely they would enjoy more because it can do more things than... cuddle...

gaunt plover
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if you don't like something in the game, don't play it. i won't be playing elementals for this reason 🤷 no big deal

if you're an aggressive pvp-er, then you get to kos any cuddle drake you see. just beware of the behemoth guarding it 😂

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also just saying that calling an opinion a fact doesn't make it a fact

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and it's stupid, why do we need a drake that "cuddles"

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It's not about having "PvP dragons" it's about having functional dragons in the game.

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Dragons that do something useful and add to the game.

gaunt plover
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so that i understand, what you're saying is that you feel the cuddle drake doesn't suit your playstyle

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and you prefer to play dragons that do

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No, i'm saying it doesn't actually bring anything to the game and is being prioritised over dragons that do.

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It's a cosmetic dragon so we can assume it gets the Bio treatment. No attacks, or anything of that sort. It will likely cuddle and that's it

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Why waste the money and time on that, over

gaunt plover
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i'd be more inclined to agree if everything else was being dropped right now just to make the drake, but it's not. blitz, bio and ir are coming first, and all the ks stretch tier dragons are coming next

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if they continue with their 1 - 2 updates a year goal, we won't see the drake for a couple years at the minimum

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plenty of useful dragons will be in the game before then

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I personally think the Bio should not have been prioritised over the other Dragons that actually do something

gaunt plover
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fair enough. i know a lot of people are looking forward to it though

gloomy shore
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maybe it will be an unpopular opinion, even i question why i think it's a good idea, but what about giving Patreon their own 'hybrid"? it would work like the ks hybrid does: if you have the key you can insta spawn in, if you don't you have to unlock/life...it would be useful AND special enough for the patreons

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They could, but its likely because jao doesn't want to see many hybrids banging about

haughty nebula
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If it's another exclusive dragon it can't have that much of a use or function otherwise p2w unless done right. So another hybrid unless it's still useful but not as strong etc would be ok

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But hopefully the other Dragons that were planned before patreon comes along

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So we got a lot of things to do before then

gloomy shore
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in that sense our ks hybrid is p2w too then

solid moat
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How do we determine that a dragon "does something" or "adds to the game"? We don't even know what the cuddle drake will look like, how it'll act, or what it can do, and you're already insulting it. These devs work really hard to create an amazing game, and I doubt they're going to ruin it just by making a new dragon you don't agree with. Besides, it probably won't happen for a year, so we can wait and see what ACTUALLY happens then.

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It will be a cosmetic dragon

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it's already been confirmed cosmetic dragons will be just that, cosmetic

terse moth
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Cosmetic dragons add something to the game for those people that enjoy it. It doesn't need to battle, bite, claw, in PvP or PvE to "add to the game". If that was the case anything cosmetic in any game ever would be "pointless".

It simply isn't pointless if people enjoy it. But some people will enjoy something other people will not. Just because one or even half of a group doesn't enjoy something another person or group enjoys does not mean it should be denied or prioritized over.

KS Bio Dragon was a bonus for supporting a game that had yet to be made, it was planned before most the other KS stretch goal dragons. To say it should have been pushed back just because some people won't enjoy it is just silly. In my opinion it is the same for the "cuddle drake".

IDK if I'd enjoy it but personally I wouldn't deny someone else from having it just because it might not be something I'd want to play.

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People enjoying something and it adding to the game are two completely different things. Cosmetic dragons bring nothing but looks, which don't add to the actual gameplay of the game. Also, why does the game NEED to have a cuddle drake? why does a dragon survival game, where the entire point of the game is to grow and survive, where does a "cuddle drake" fit into that? It's in the same childish vein as "rainbow fire" and cosmetic "jewellery" for dragons.

solid moat
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You don't NEED to play this game either, you WANT TO.

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I WANT a cuddle drake.

gloomy shore
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so patreons can have their 'special dragon" since KS has it, they need it too...
tbh as long as it's not "better" than the bio in the sense of survivability and they won't keep up with adding rewards to patreon, i'm fine with it
(just to clarify: i'm not against patreons getting rewards for their money in general, but you gotta realize at some point that adding something for every 100 $ will never end and would just drain the resources)

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I want to play the game I backed for

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Not play a dragon version of BoB

exotic turret
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Im sorry whats a cuddle drake...?

solid moat
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We don't even know and someone is complaining

exotic turret
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im a pareon and I dont even know

solid moat
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No one knows

potent badge
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It's a Drake the "cuddles" i assume

solid moat
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You assume

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It's on the trello

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Its in the NAME!

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Pretty fair assumption to make

gloomy shore
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btw someone mentioned the cuddle drake being the buff dragon from alpha, luckily that's not the case, thee buff dragon will be a dev exclusive lyndwurm

solid moat
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You have no idea what it'll be like, you're just assuming, and you hate your assumption

elder storm
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Id rather more dragons with purpose other than being a reward tier tbh

potent badge
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its going to be a cuddle drake, what more is there to know?

exotic turret
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Has anything other than the trello mentioned the cuddle drake?

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neon quest
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In the end you get what you get, PVE would enjoy having it and you don't need to use it in pvp, you're not paying for patreon so you have no reason to speak on it.
I would enjoy it just to showoff because I paid for it.

exotic turret
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I mean if its cute im chiill with it

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That's my entire point

gloomy shore
potent badge
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What did Jao say about it?

gloomy shore
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only that it might be a patreonexclusive dragon

exotic turret
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Okay yeah but would you rather have a cosmetic dragon exclusive to a group or a combat dragon exclusive to one group? its a good way to give rewards without hurting those who dont have it

gloomy shore
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similar to the bio, cosmetic only

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I think it being called Patreon Cuddle Drake confirms that one

elder storm
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exotic turret
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You asked

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and thats my answer

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neon quest
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elder storm
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I haven’t looked at it much but I’m just saying that why they don’t like it :PP

potent badge
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These have far more playability and use than a cuddle drake

exotic turret
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which update does it come in?

potent badge
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1.4

exotic turret
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Okay well by then there will be plenty of playable creatures at least its not coming before a bunch of important dragons.

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Id judge a little bit if it were coming in any update sooner ngl.

potent badge
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Does matter, it's an awful idea to have a "cuddle drake" it serves absolutely no purpose. And also gets developed before 4 other dragons that do

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Where does a cuddle dragon fit into this game?

exotic turret
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I mean same could be said about the Bio, until we hear about its abilities I dont think we should get too angry about it. It could be a passive ability that does help in some sort

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Like the bios for keeping track of SS and scouting

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I think the Bio should have been one of the last dragons made

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Why prioritise something like that over the Singe or Nurse

exotic turret
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I agree but I also think Kickstarters deserve it seeing as they did fund the game

potent badge
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Sure, but that doesnt mean it takes priority over adding actual functional playables

exotic turret
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I mean I think they should get what they were promised rather than having to wait multiple years theyve already been waiting a while.

potent badge
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I have the Bio and I can say, for me atleast I'd rather a game with more functional playables than a useless cosmetic dragon

exotic turret
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Yeah I get that, but I mean it DoooEeess kinnndaaa help in some sort of way

potent badge
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huh?

exotic turret
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Seeing as its good for scouting in PVP and hunting SS

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itll be a good group/clan dragon

potent badge
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Its ment to have weak stam, so it won't be that great of a scout

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But even with that said, it could see some use like that sure. But a cuddle drake?

gray timber
exotic turret
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I mean if theyre smart and good at hiding with their speed and mobility most could get away quite easily so long as they arent like out in a field

potent badge
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It's literally made to draw the people who want to sit around, look cute and do nothing but chat into subbing longer on patreon

exotic turret
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Then probably that gives a buff or something, but even then thats an insult if they do that

exotic turret
potent badge
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because the Bio wasn't allowed to give a buff because it was a cosmetic

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So they, by their logic can't even do that

tardy citrus
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whats goin on in here uhh

exotic turret
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Personally I would find it pretty entertaining if there was a cute fluffy drake that is good in combat, though of course that wouldnt be fair to those who arent patreons but i do hope at somepoint they add a little "catfish" type of dragon that looks sweet and useless but isnt

gloomy shore
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By any means the last confirmed dragon is the water lung drake all the rest are "we want to if we can" so putting the cuddle drake after the lung is technically doing it last

gray timber
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Np im kinda into more "combat" based dragons rather than "cute" it just doesn't fit into the survival scheme for me

tardy citrus
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from what i know of this cuddle drake.. i uh, know nothing about it yet, soo on my side it's kind of the same as bio dragon, just a cosmetic useless dragon for patreon subscribers since kickstarters also have one

gloomy shore
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And that's why I suggested giving the Patreons their own hybrid...
It would have a use
Patreons would have the same advantage as ks has on the 4 winged
But it's still unlockable with gameplay, so not p2w

exotic turret
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Isnt that what we already have?

gloomy shore
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No?

exotic turret
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Kickstarters can spawn in as hybrids without the egg but others can find it with some time dedication without having it behind a paywall?

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idk maybe im reading that wrong

tardy citrus
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point is kickstarters will have E spawn hybrids with bad stats

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if instead of spawning it in they can find an egg and bring it to a nurse dragon

gloomy shore
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Yes, that's the 4 winged hybrid, what I'm saying Is make another one working similarly for Patreon

tardy citrus
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nurse can buff up i believe one stat at the very least
was said on stream i believe on either the thanksgiving or bio stream

exotic turret
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thats why I was confused ;-;

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tardy citrus
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gloomy shore
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Yes I know that, but The hybrid is supposed to have it's own mechanics since it can't nest

tardy citrus
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that i dont know of

haughty nebula
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I'm a bit late but no.
Hybrid is unlockable plus. People will have higher stats that unlocked them than just simply spawning in

tardy citrus
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hi mythy gib

haughty nebula
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Hiii <333333

tardy citrus
haughty nebula
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So no hybrid is not p2w

gloomy shore
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That makes the only ks worthwhile ks benefit useless then

tardy citrus
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ks have all dragons unlocked already tho

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plus bio

exotic turret
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I mean they dont have to hunt down the egg and comepete with other people for it I guess

tardy citrus
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correct

haughty nebula
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Yea all the KS Dragons are stretch goals except for bio which means they can be unlocked by other players

gloomy shore
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And still everyone nests because it's better

haughty nebula
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Which also means no KS dragon is p2w until like. Bio is op for some reason

neon quest
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When was the "search for the hybrid egg" removed? Thought it was supposed to be a single egg that spawned that you had to search a 40x40 map for

gloomy shore
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Why would bio be op? XD

haughty nebula
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And some KS Dragons may not be unlockable through nesting so some Dragons may night be able to be used until they unlock them.

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exotic turret
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I mean wont nurse be just as useful skill wise as an E spawn as it would be as an A? so then KS would have a reward in that way since they wont have to unlock it to play and then use the ability

neon quest
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And the stats are bad upon spawn-in

exotic turret
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Okay but like how bad though? an E spawn can still kill a good stat dragon its not all that hard

haughty nebula
neon quest
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Assuming the stats are bad as E spawn, at most 5-8 E's

gloomy shore
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We don't know yet how the balance will change by the time hybrid is done

haughty nebula
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But it is a rare dragon and i don't see KS leaving any time soon but the pop of KS will either stay the same or get lower with time

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Also assuming the hybrid will be strong since it is like a class 6

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Also hi pilot <3333

neon quest
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Hiya Mythy <3333

exotic turret
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I mean yeah, I think a spawn in hybrid can still mess up any lower class dragon so its not "useless" to KS in my personal opinion

haughty nebula
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Def cause it's a higher tier

gloomy shore
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Why is it that if it's a dlc, having the advantage of spawning in isn't considered p2w but if it's a Kickstarter thing it MUST be worse than free spawns or it's the devil?

exotic turret
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Its just always hard to make assumptions as to what should or shouldnt be in game until we know the abilities, and balance.

neon quest
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Also when KS start to leave the game, it would be a shame to lose things that current players are dying to have

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haughty nebula
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KS is all unlockable Dragons except for the respective bio.

gloomy shore
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Turns out spawned hybrids will be lower statted than found eggs, why would anyone bother with it then? It just ads the ks population to the people contesting the eggs

haughty nebula
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Plus it's only one dragon that has that treatment and it's the hybrid >.> and it's not like they ain't gonna make more

exotic turret
haughty nebula
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And I'm pretty sure there's a coold down for KS if you die on one

gloomy shore
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The hybrid and the bio as well, I know that the bio was always meant to be a cosmetic dragon, but I still think it's unreasonable to take away every chance of defense from it

haughty nebula
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So it's not like there's gonna be hybrids 24/7 (could be wrong but I am pretty sure it is right)

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gloomy shore
haughty nebula
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No it isn't because it would be naturally strong on its own

gloomy shore
haughty nebula
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The hybrid will be 100% ok especially since it's suppose to have a low pop anyways

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People will find the way to get in even bio caves, no matter where you nest

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Other than that hybrid is fine where we think it may lie.
Bio should be alright too since glowing puts anyone attacking it at a disadvantage

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But we went way off topic here XD

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yeah xD

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Both KS and regulars have to find the egg and figure out to hatch it to get better stats unless changed

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Sorry don't mean to sound rude ;; that text was not meant to be rude

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It doesnt haha

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I will fully kick off if thats the case. it's already complete crap KS get to spawn with worse ones. Yes I understand KS have infinitely easier access, but at the same time we get that for backing. They could make it way simpler and have Hybrids be able to breed, but have a 45% chance for an FS or IR to come out and a 10% chance for a Hybrid to come out.

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Seriously? The egg method was a way for non-ks people to be able to obtain a hybrid too ...and now you tmsay to all ks that "sorry if you want stats like them you have to hunt" it will anger people and rally them against Kickstarters because "why you need it if you can spawn as it?*

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I mean. Worse stats prob being just e spawn bloodline with a mix of Cs or something
That's not bad especially for a tier 6

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So? webacked for that

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🤷‍♀️

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We should be given access to it

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Just make it so hybrids can grind up stats

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then that method would be okay, people who find an egg get a head start

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thats all, but KS can also reach the same stats

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Agreed

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It's a lazy way of them dealing with KS having easy access to it, instead of building a progression system for the Hybrid they do that which is lazy

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I mean you still have a way higher advantage vs the person who has to find the 1 egg on the map.

I would put it any random spawn from e blood to b blood.
A blood for the egg or somethin

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Myth

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After 4 months, you don't have that

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The more time that passes the worse and worse KS hybrids become

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That's my issue

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Over time it loses more an more value

haughty nebula
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I personally have no issues with it.

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And Mythy is a KS so its not coming from an outsider being unhappy with it being "unfair" if KS do have the same stats

gloomy shore
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The same will happen as with any other dragon, just slower ....the spawning advantage will diminish as the map gets saturated with found ones

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Bazil is a ks also and most of us don't agree with him XD

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PFF

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But also no it wouldn't because the spawn rates are also low

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KS has literally all the power no matter what unless the "random egg" is like 1 per hour

exotic turret
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Is it actually just one egg around the entire map?

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Yea

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Last I checked

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Time to drive home

neon quest
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Still 1 egg

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In a 40x40 map

gloomy shore
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1egg what was only the concern of the "non-ks" population until now, but the number of players contesting it just doubled

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Okay then yeah man id be so happy to be able to spawn in as even a E spawn Hybrid rather then have to hunt down a single egg with possibly 1-199 other people looking for it seeing as it is a class 6 and will be strong even as a F stat

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Having 200 people on a map with one egg, it's not even going to be worth it

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I definitely am not going to search for one cause who knows if you'll even be able to GROW it without being killed on the spot

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I would but not as my only goal

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Make that one egg come out as flat A for all I care, just let the spawned in ks hybrids grind up their stats to that point too

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Just put in a progression system for the hybrid, it has less gameplay tied to it be default, it's the least they can do.

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gloomy shore
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They can't nest by default

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yes I know but if you meant grinding by nesting

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Nah by gameplay

exotic turret
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since increasing stats by nesting is a grind in it of itself xD

gloomy shore
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Yeah and I hate it XD can't wait for a more engaging way of upstatting

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I think its fair, but yeah having otherways will be nice

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We have gotten so off track from the original argument ;-;

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Yeah XD unless someone beats me to it I'll make a hybrid suggestion tomorrow, I'm too tired for it now XD gonna get some sleep

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Man its going to be suck a pain to find though ;-;

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I'm excited for it to enter the game but I feel like its going to take me months to actually get to play it on a PvP server xD

gloomy shore
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I for sure will be out there helping with the search , tho I'm playing on PvE only XD

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Im a PvP player so its going to be hectic even if we do find one and I manage to claim it its going to be a very anxious growth time avoiding people trying to kill me

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2 Eggs on map at once would be nice for people who aren't KS

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Still nothing, but better than 1

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I think the number of eggs should depend on server population

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2 eggs VS 200 ppl butwhy

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Still not good odds xD

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just hurts my soul a little

gloomy shore
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But 1 egg on a 10 person server is 10% chanse of succes while on a 200 person server it's 0,5 XD

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Aye they devs just know the definition of rare haha

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Dude I have a feeling ima be that one blind person that is right next to the egg and still doesnt see it and misses my chance

gloomy shore
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I still think that a treasure hunt isn't hard, and it won't make it rare...a whole mechanic should be behind it...kill the sand slayer and it has x% chance of dropping it or something

exotic turret
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That would be cool, but I feel like it would suit it if there were like a boss in the game that hoarded items and loot so there could be a small chance that it had that in its stash, and once you killed it you had a chance of getting it

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Yeah

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Or a "kill X amount from this mob to spawn the boss version what can drop it" kind

exotic turret
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Man you know clans would be farming that like crazy though thats the one downside to both ideas

gloomy shore
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Put a time limit on it? Only once/week/person?

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Mythy will make suggestion for hybrid soon

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gloomy shore
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Okay I'm gonna really go to sleep, I didn't slept in the last 1,5 days XD

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Haha okay have a good night

gloomy shore
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Thanks, cya later ^^

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peace

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Ok a few points:
-The spawned Hybrid will only have two less stats then a egg found Hybrid because the Nurse is able to impart that extra buff to stats. Turn a C to a B, or an A to an A+
-Hybrid eggs will spawn in a set area in random spots, sometimes there will be no egg on the map, sometimes there could be three or maybe more. The Dev's don't want the area camped. It could take an hour for an egg to spawn, it could take 3.

I personally have no problem with a Cuddle drake as a reward for Patreon's, or with Cosmetic dragon's in general. The big argument about it coming before those other planned dragons is kinda moot when you take in the fact that the Dev's plan to keep adding dragons, so where else would they slot it? It is coming after all of the Kickstarter dragons.
There is nothing wrong with you not liking Cosmetic dragons, but there is nothing wrong with people liking them as well. I enjoy the Patreon for the behind the scenes stuff, but others enjoy getting goodies. This is a way for more money to be generated without adding anything of power.

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In the end, giving an exclusive cosmetic dragon is better than giving them something powerful that the rest of the playerbase might not be able to unlock, like how the Bio works.
I wouldn't really enjoy being stomped on by something like this, it'd feel unfair

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Yes, it's best to let exclusives like this be kinda "useless" so no one can complain

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Yup, the idea of a Patreon Hybrid wouldn't be too bad either if it works the same way as KS Hybrid. As long as it isn't exclusively stuck behind Patreon Paywall

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Yee

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I wonder what other hybrid they could make that wouldn't just end up as another dragon species?

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Maybe they could do a dragon drake hybrid that has "Wings" but it can only glide, not fly.

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leaden vale
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Those dragons don't even have concept art, and I'm sorry but from a business standpoint a dragon that can draw in more money is going to be more of a priority.
I understand you want only the dragons you are going to find useful but there are others playing the game as well and that means providing dragons of different play styles. I don't see you upset that they are adding more emotes to the dragons, something that is currently delaying all dragons for what many would consider nothing more then cosmetic.

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I'd argue Dragons like the "Ice Dragon" or an "Acid Wyvern" etc would get alot more attention than a "cuddle drake".

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Adding those extra dragons are not going to encourage more people to buy the game then already would with all of the other dragons that will be in the game at that time.
The Cuddle dragon however could encourage more people to join the Patreon or continue to keep their Patreon active for longer.

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I hardly think the devs should drop all their plans to listen to you, just because you don't appreciate a singular dragon that they are making. They are creating TONS of dragons that will "Add to the game" many of which ARE coming before this unknown cuddle drake, and by the time they're done with the game, your complaints will be far forgotten.

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This is their game, let them make it.

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# leaden vale Adding those extra dragons are not going to encourage more people to buy the gam...

You don't actually know that, at all Luse. It's very likely the more dragons (useful ones) the game has the wider appeal it will have, since it adds more and more play styles. The cuddle drake is far more niche and has much less use than the 4 it's being prioritised over. I'm pretty confident people would be far more excited to get an Ice Dragon, Acid Wyvern, Venom Drake or Venom Amphithere than a cuddle drake. I'd wager something like an Ice dragon or the others mentioned about would pull far more new players to the game than a cuddle drake ever would, some of those players would also likely become patreons too. Also, ontop of that... it's a very childish idea, but that is completely subjective I suppose. But the point stands, functional playables first, cosmetic playables last.

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Addy...those dragons are not confirmed Jao said he wants to do each type of dragon on each element if he can afford it the last truly confirmed dragon is the water lung drake, the rest are all "maybes"

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No, I'm pretty sure they are confirmed

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They wouldn't be on the Trello if they were maybes.

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and they've been there for over a year at this point.

gloomy shore
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I put on my Trello ideas what I want to do too, that's what it's for...as long as they aren't announced in a devblog, they aren't confirmed

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Your trello?

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I don't agree, I'm pretty sure those 4 are confirmed to be coming

gloomy shore
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Yes I have a Trello too to organize my projects

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Yeah okay, but just because you do it like that Hazriel, doesn't mean Beawesome does too

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We can find out later in the stream

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If they are confirmed or not. But I'm pretty sure they are, I even remember seeing the Ice Dragon concept art in the que of up coming art to be worked on, before they removed that part of the Trello.

solid moat
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They need funding for new dragons, and Patreon subscribers just happen to help with that, aye? Maybe we should give them a dragon or something so more people subscribe so that we can make more dragons that Addy deems important.

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Oh so new players can't become Patreons or something? It's not even what I deem important, that cuddle drake literally adds nothing to the overall gameplay of this game. The other 4 do, the better the game play and the bigger the variety, the more new players the game will attract. Some of which will also subscribe to Patreon.

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I'm really sorry you are offended I don't like the idea of a drake thats designed for 5 year old children being developed over actual, functional playable dragons that add to the game.

leaden vale
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And now it's devolved to name calling. I think the conversation has run it's course over this subject.

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Who's name calling?

leaden vale
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You just called anyone who likes the cuddle dragon idea a 5 year old child

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Actually thats not what I said at all.

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What I said is literally just my opinion of the cuddle drake, and it's seemingly a concept you'd design for a 5 year old. That's not name calling at all.

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What I said doesn't even imply that, it's a childish concept in my opinion and it's being given priority, and I don't like that. That's literally all it says.

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I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to twist what I've said.

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# potent badge I'd appreciate it if you didn't try to twist what I've said.

Luse did not twist what you said, you've been calling this dragon childish just because you don't like it, and you could hurt feelings of people who are actually excited about this dragon! Now you're making them feel childish, even though they AREN'T, and you continue to complain about 1 single dragon you don't like that a ton of people could, like this game should revolve around you and your opinions. You still have no idea what this dragon actually does, I'm not even sure the devs do!

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There are tons of dragons to be excited about instead of complaining about this one, why not be positive? Why can't other people be happy about something pretty and cute? Why should what you like take priority?

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solid moat
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I know you didn't call people childish, but when you insult something someone loves, you're basically insulting them!

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I've explained it several times to you, functional dragons should be the priority, not cosmetic ones that add little to nothing.

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leaden vale
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Let's leave it, nothing is going to be achieved like this. Addy has put his surggestion and it's up to the Devs if they want to act on it.

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cold gate
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Tbf, even the kickstarters who bought the bio are very upset that Jao made them defenseless and useless

leaden vale
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I'm certainly not

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the only thing im mildly upset about is you cant suprise color coat dragons i understand why but still...

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Was it confirmed that the bio can't bile ungrouped dragons? I've heard it said a few times but not sure

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thought i heard from jao that it wasnt the case to prevent griefing or the like. idk ive been extra tired lately and mixing up different games.

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Bio has been confirmed to glow bile ungrouped players on PvP, pve is still being decided

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Also, as a bio backer, I don't feel that bio is useless. It has it's own niche - it may not have any attacks but it is small, fast, and beautiful. I plan to main it just because it's fast and looks cute.

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Problem with bio is it's defenseless. It can be one shot by any dragon ATM, and has no defensive options other than speed. Speed works great!... except when you get jumped cause you glow, or can't nest because you can't defend. Unless incubation is like 5 minutes, it's gonna be near impossible to breed these things.

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Yeah, being this vulnerable only works if the creature doesn't have natural predators, either because it doesn't worth the effort (too poisonous/ doesn't give enough nutrition) or lives in isolation, the bio has none: the ASD is clearly it's natural predator, fast and poison resistant, and it's habitat will be accessible for other dragons, especially micros