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Manta juicers
😓
Why do yall think the Mantas in Forest Temple was caged in the first place..?
Is that why mantas want our revenge and kidnap us in praire 😂
They used magic crystal for some stuff
Probably they using the power of the crystal from Eden until it being broken
noooooo
manta is not caged in the temple??
Oh no I left to learn about lore for a couple minutes and now you’re taking about juicing light creatures

You know how when you open the gates you also open the windows
the manta fly into the temple when we open the gate
Those were probably cages
Yes, they are caged in the Temple. They get released after the Forest Elder cutscene, that's why you suddenly see so many Mantas afterwards
Oh makes sense
All of which are small Mantas, unlike the ones in Prairie
So I think they're baby Mantas...
What about the giant animal we see 3 time flying and disappear after it scream like the one from GW during you fly to that location ?
That's a Whale
I wouldn't call them babey- wasn't there a much babier form of mantas in Sanc
i remember the "cages" are connected to outside, like a window
The animal whale fish thing?
lemme check back later
Yup
I had a conversation about that once
This is the infamous catapult?
Whale

This one?
Yep
Here’s the theory we came up with...
Well, older than the big Manta that you see in Sanctuary
Yep
Have fun getting yeeted
Love it
So, the first time we can see him was in Pinewood
Pinewood?
What's Pinewood-
Then in wasteland hub
the green area where headpat spirit is found
And then in the after ||eden||
I call it sunny forest mostly-
Gellyfish
You don't have to spoiler tag dawg
The Whale is stated to be the most ancient light creature there is, and was going to be wayyyyy bigger than the big manta in Snactuary.
And yes, that big thing yiu saw in the last quest of Sanctuary is a Manta.
Or we, as the Sky children are following it
Elder Manta
It’s pretty powerful too,
That big white whale?
If it was guiding us I kind of find it strange that we wouldn't see it earlier- in any of the main areas, perhaps
I almost follow him after I die xD
As when you touch it in after-eden it takes away some energy
You have to go actively out of your way to see that whale
Then when you force the camera to look up,
You’re following it.
It’s guiding you.
It’s guiding us!
Not exactly
Probably cause its way too big, or its using up light around it to fly around, which is why it drains your light
Whale
I'm confused- is this guidance just an Ascencion thing
I think in fact that whale is following the same path as us ...
Guiding the skid
Or are you implying it was all throughout
How??
We’re taking about the whale
possibly guiding us through the game
I think in fact that whale is following the same path as us ...
I think I agree with thsi
Bird and manta guiding you more than the whale
Idk, we don’t know like anything about this whale
Because again- you have to actively go out of your way to see this thing in Forest
Birds are meant to guide you. They're sent by the Isle Elder afterall.
We see it only three times throughout the game...
The birds are all throughout
Whale just swim and flying around
Yes, exactly
But we don't see it enough for it to qualify as a good guide now does it- the whale I mean
There’s an oob where you can get a really good look at it
If you think about every time you head up to a place where you find the elder there’s creatures of light heading there. So I think that the creatures of light are guiding us in the same direction the whole game
Want me to snap a few photos?

Well, we are the one who triggers the ascent to Orbit after all...
I don't think there is anyone to "guide" us, the creatures of light follow the same path as us, which is up to orbit, my theory is that the creatures of light are reborn with us
I agree with Tik on that one, but I'm still iffy about that Whale
That means we're important to the rebirth cycle
Since we're the ones who trigger the ascension, allowing rebirth and the cycle to happen
Ok, I’ll snap some photos 😉
Kinda like the skid in the mural of Prophecy...
Brb
If I understand, in Eden, we need to save all the child, but after that, what is the mission now ? (I save them all btw so now I can't really get red candles)
I don't think there is anyone to "guide" us, the creatures of light follow the same path as us, which is up to orbit, my theory is that the creatures of light are reborn with us
@icy basalt when you are in rebirth, before the orbit, you see some light animals
presumably to rinse and repeat
You mean... ya saved the whole 63 one?!?!> If I understand, in Eden, we need to save all the child, but after that, what is the mission now ? (I save them all btw so now I can't really get red candles)
@deft lintel
Yes, I think that the creatures of light also have a cycle of rebirth, just like us
You did just die getting to Orbit
I don't think there is anyone to "guide" us, the creatures of light follow the same path as us, which is up to orbit, my theory is that the creatures of light are reborn with us
@icy basalt that makes since since the realms are supposed to represent different times of day and i think the transition through life too
Yes
@icy basalt that makes since since the realms are supposed to represent different times of day day and i think the transition through life too
@restive sky The isle is the birth
The praire is the childhood
The Forest is the teenage hood
The Valley is the adulthood
Valley= Young Adulthood
GW= Midlife Crisis
Vault= Old Age
Eden= Death
Valley is adulthood, Wasteland is mid life crisis, Vault is old age, Eden is death, Orbit is rebirth
The GW is the middleage
First place is born
We are like a pheonix
Also, the one who would trigger the ascent to Orbit in the concepts isn't us. It was the Prince
Yup
So the prince trigger the death and rebirth cycle?

amio am I dreaming is your pfp not something terrifying
@restive sky Yeah, in the old concept at least. He pretty much saves us when we die, a scene similar to what happens when we die in Eden
Lol
Hello again
Who the hell is this Prince that I've never heard about
And I also believe in the evolution of creatures of light
Something like ... Bird → Manta → Manta with 4 wings → ... → Elder Manta → Whale → Death → Rebirth → Bird...
I have completed my quest
Hmmm.. Maybe
/butterflys tehn
GW is middleage cause
midlife crisis = Krill
halloween has ended my friend
Crab are crab for to be eating
Is the prince represented as the light child we hug in the way to the light?
Credits to Bricky
What are you guys theorying about this time?
Is the prince represented as the light child we hug in the way to the light?
@restive sky I believe so
I dearly wish I had their usual paragraph on me ckdkckdk
The one we hug it's our light
You guys have too much patience with me I-
He's the prince tho👀
In the doc I just sent are compiled info about the Prince and the King- sort of- it's a nice starting point that's what I meant-

Did we are the prince hiself maybe ?
So the mega bird is the god of the sky kids and is it the light?
I believe we are almost the same as him, but not quite him
Idk if that made sense
Lol
Possibly- Megabird could literally just be a vague lump of light
Hm, probably forget the past
All skykids are the prince and prince is the skykids
I was in a Brazilian server and the people here said something about the sky kids
I think we are all part of the light and we are going in the same journey the prince did to trigger the rebirth cycle
He trigger it by the crystal from eden ?
I think we are all part of the light and we are going in the same journey the prince did to trigger the rebirth cycle
@restive sky Are you a seer?!?!
I was in a Brazilian server and the people here said something about the sky kids
@crimson lake They said that we are fragments of the Eden. Something like that
Of the castle or the king or prince
Prince
Fragments of the Prince, fragments of the King- both of which I've seen come and go XD
XD

@crimson lake They said that we are fragments of the Eden. Something like that
@crimson lake I think I said it myself
The gist of it was that them getting reborn as a skid was a punishment by Megan
Didn't saw the message
I am Brazilian and I made this theory on a Brazilian server too
Eh alot of people have the same theory
I mean if you really wanted to be sure you could input it in the Theory Vault or smthn
Well we are probably trying to save all the kids (probably ourselves) who always trying to fix the crystal from Eden for to stop the Darkness and for the cycle stay normal from the past over and over again
Well we are probably trying to save all the kids (probably ourselves) who always trying to fix the crystal from Eden for to stop the Darkness and for the cycle stay normal from the past over and over again
@deft lintel we’re stuck in a loop
Yea
Every time travel story I've seen so far is telling me messing with time this much is gonna have a lot of nasty consequences
Maybe we'll see in a next season idk
We're not really changing the past so much as we are just unearthing it and salvaging as much as we can
There's not much left to ruin after all
I didn't say to change the past
I mean by all the kids was yourself who always trying to fix the crystal from Eden and you try to save them
Call being a skid janitor work, if you will
I didn't say to change the past
I mean by all the kids was yourself who always trying to fix the crystal from Eden and you try to save them
Cleaning up the messes left behind
I didn't say to change the past
I mean by all the kids was yourself who always trying to fix the crystal from Eden and you try to save them
So maybe mega bird is punishing us because the people from the past made mistakes and the prince triggered the cycle so we all wouldn’t die
Ppl of the past make mistake, that's true
Everyone who mattered before then were already dead so somehow I don't think that rebirth is a goal of theirs- but that's just me
To me it just seemed like they were just picking up the pieces
So many questions and no answers... my poor head
Letting the spirits pass on and ascend
Think about the war, the darkness and the story of the beginning
It say they don't listening to me
I think skids were created to fix the world since it was destroyed
~~so i just created tvtropes account and have to wait for a bit before being approved to expand sky’s tvtropes page and im like … orbit? a gainax ending?
am i the only one who is not weirded out by the sequence of ascending to space? there are people who think it doesnt make sense?
or is it the lore getting to my head enough that i think it makes sense?~~
ah tvtropes
Why is your Sky page so empty ckkskxdkkd
And ye- Gainax ending normally refers to something that's confusing enough to be borderline incomprehensible
but is the orbit even incomprehensible?
I love that they leave the lore pretty much open ended for this game cause it lets you interpret it how you want
Indeed
honestly what with the world that had been set up, it didn’t feel confusing
It's less incomprehensible and moreso that it feels incomplete
Like dying is fixing the world
I love that they leave the lore pretty much open ended for this game cause it lets you interpret it how you want
@restive sky without being wrong or right
it has symbolism and hint about the megabird, it is a place where you purchase your candles
Ppfft
i think thats where it squicked me. the orbit is actually a functional place, which is why im baffled some find it incomprehensible
We’re on this loop because we need to make the world better and fix it from whatever happened in the past and let spirits be free
I don’t think the orbit is incomprehensible, but the other way around
After you are a falling star who fall to the planet for to do the same stuff
So the light is the place of death and birth at the same time. You die and get reborn
Darkness is the place of your end
i want to check myself in. is that trope line inaccurate for the orbit? im considering having it removed. if not i’ll add an alternative interpretation
Mean, Eden
Man sky theories are making me think deep
Same
Consider how the general public viewed Sky at least- and how familiar they are with the themes of the game? I dunno
actually im going to counter it. ive only see arguments between editors in Headscratchers and Fridge Brilliance/Horror/etc, but not YMMV
It's not hard to poke around the official stuff and see that the game had themes after all
Éden is a funny name for that place, in my opinion
They changing a little of how is the end of the game now
They would probably add more stuff and change more stuff
I think the vagueness of the game is preventing a lot of the stuff we've discussed here so far from being on that site
but the lore doc said nothing there is random
even so I kinda want to see the Fridge Horror section written out
Btw, why that place could naming Eye of Eden
Probably the prince was naming Eden
Éden is a funny name for that place, in my opinion
@crimson lake if you think about it’s called eye if eden because the light is in the eye of the storm
if you think about it’s called eye if eden because the light is in the eye of the storm
@restive sky makes sense
There is light in the Eden
Nothing is random, but I doubt a casual player would be looking too deeply into what every little detail means
That's what Fridge is for though I guess-
Red light like the red crystal who drinks your light energy
And Headscratchers
Still a light
Prophecy lights are the elements that made the world and the enchantment lights are each representing an area of sky in my opinion
I’m sure it’ll be fine! ..... Right?
I’m sure it’ll be fine! ..... Right?
@pastel brook what will be fine sky bot?

I'm wondering if one day we could get more than 1 ending, like 1 ending when we reborn and another one when we get enough close of the crystal for to do something and see how the ending would be like (it will change some stuff lol)
@crimson lake if you think about it’s called eye if eden because the light is in the eye of the storm
@restive sky Oh not to mention Eden as a place is Storm in dev stuff- like how Forest is Rain and Valley is Sunset
Daylight prairies it's sunny like the middle of the day
I was about to say that
And the first location it's like morning
/yes in concepts
So> And the first location it's like morning
@deft lintel Dawn
/the realms represents the stages of life, along side the times of day
/the realms represents the stages of life, along side the times of day
@gilded fossil yep
That’s why Valley is my favorite 
The vault is probably night because of how the place is galactic with all the stars
There’s a lot of symbolism in the games design
/oh yea friend, what's your name i only see question marks for your name
Me?
Isle- Birth, Dawn
Prairie- Childhood, Day
Forest- Teenagehood, Rain
Valley- Young Adulthood, Sunset
GW- Midlife Crisis, Dusk
Vault- Old Age, Night
Eden- Death, Storm
I feel like the mood of each place matches how you feel during the different stages of life
True
/this friend, sorry for the ping btw
@crimson lake
/yes, also, forest is an angsty teen
/this friend, sorry for the ping btw
@crimson lake
@gilded fossil Omg why I have the feeling that I did something wrong
I see a name
Oh
Mine works
@gilded fossil Omg why I have the feeling that I did something wrong
@crimson lake they can’t see your username
@gilded fossil Nayra or Nay
𝐍𝐚𝐲𝐫𝐚 𝐒𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐞𝐫 { 𝐎𝐥𝐝 𝐌𝐨𝐭𝐡 } ✵
Here now you can see how it's her name guys ?
Not everyone can
What happend
Why do you think Bricky reminds Kokichi not to use a certain font sometimes-
Okay it’s about 11:00 at night for me so I’m gonna go to sleep. Bye!
/yea thanks, anyways, what you think about how the lights are used in prophecy
Night Tik
some devices and screen readers can’t read special fonts, it’s encouraged to use regular fonts in your nickname/messages so it’s accessible to everyone 
The 4 spirit are prophet for 1 elements
The mods have to know something about this...but I'm too scared of them to ask
It's ok


I've always just interpreted they did what the Enchantment lights did- but if those Enchantment orbs were on steroids-
Now you can see @gilded fossil
Just wait about new season and more and we will see if the end or story will change
Btw, song or soundtrack can give you a teaser too
Xd
If you can heard some soundtrack in some location, some of them are the same but don't sound with the same instrument
i kind if wonder if Prairie Elder using that element was anything like the way Elsa made that castle in the first Frozen movie
XD
just- summoning buildings and belting out some song about letting go-
Not a song, more of bell
This place are great for to creat bell
god I kind of want to draw that
The link to concept arts is buried in the sea of comments
it’s in the pins, @rapid juniper
Thinking about how a concept mask for the forest elder is here
Makes me sad thinking how much was lost for the sake of simplicity and modeling and animating
The elder designs where 😳
They still art but before they where woah
Also I am having a think
Bc I am trying to think how moth society would be set as what are thier behaviors and I am kinda picking around and descarding game mechanic things that are for the purpose of telling the story of the bird civilization and customizing appearance based on the memories you experience
So like
I am thinking
A lot
hm why is the old concept on this door
What??
Scary? Nah I loved that old concept of her
Where she was a lil more dark and....unfriendly
But it does make me think if I can incorporate that into the history of the birds
Since there are many emblems
Teth grabs skykids’ flame to make diamond
How does the history of birds connect to the old concepts of the elders on the door
This can represent this temple being much older than most
In my opinion it’s jus a lil Easter egg
Wich have diamonds
Well it produced diamonds but yes
I think it'd be cool if it where more than just an Easter egg
the old praire mask is on the temple too
So even if it starts that way
I can make it to something more
REALLY????
God now I have to look
So excited
Here’s my basic head canon if I did wanna make it into lore
It’s the masks of who they looked like when the temple was built
And now they look different in the present
But in reality, yes it’s jus a lil Easter egg which I thought was kinda cool
Some of their old concepts are in the game too

Like the old moss tech, and the old concept of bird statues and old symbols
Nice lil thing they did
Now we can see the bird statues in murals or sanc
but i don’t think bricky will allow me to send that
I headcanon the elders as masses of spirits that played those respective roles
It's hard to explain
But like
They are like symbols representimg a mass of people
Some representing more spirits than others
nope
yes it is, I never saw anyone have that theory
he said some of the pics are datamined
oh
and it shouldn’t appear here

Whether it’s bricky or someone else telling u, it doesn’t matter
they aren’t allowed
i know that
hehehe I kinda like ur username
Tastelessgelatin
Like vault are the knowledge keepers
They are the scribes the poet's and spiritual leaders
And isle are the elders and guides
Like spirits get represented by these symbols depending what key role they played in society
Like how in our society we have healers educators etc
It's funky
Funk
._.
Hello there prophet of no sneep
i miss quite some stuff too
me too
Lore talk shall last forever 😈
u sure it will last forever
I can't stick to one headcanon for the elders tho
I like thinking of them as individuals but also as conglomerates
But i do have many thoughts for either of these
I dont stick strictly to these headcanons
So limiting
I like to think a lot
But mangled valley elder’s arm
I think about that a lot
More clearly visible in the vault elder room oob
Tbese are the things that make me go
U are both indeviduals and conglomerates
Brain chugs one hundred miles an hr with this stuff
Even if it may not make an ounce of sence to people who view my rambles
It just makes sence to me kdhdjjdnsk
Technically yes, there is a good chance it will last forever bc tgc didn’t make 1 concrete canon story, it’s all up to us to make and create the details of the story and everyone’s view and interpretation is different and there are some rlly creative ones out there.>
u sure it will last forever
@livid valley Technically yes, there is a good chance it will last forever bc tgc didn’t make 1 concrete canon story, it’s all up to us to make and create the details of the story and everyone’s view and interpretation is different and there are some rlly creative ones out there. Overall, as long as tgc doesn’t make a confirmed canon story, there will be no end in lore talk
I-
nice
Ikr
And even if sky lore may contradict ur interpretations of previous given lore u can twist them in some more since its all up to interpretation
Its very cool that way
Leads to interesting discussion
If u want a single concrete story, play journey
Lore is pretty straightforward there
And many people can just add to ur thoughts and u can just chew on it like gum
Chomp chomp
The gum chompers of the sky community
Nice place weve got here
Gonna make myself cozy in this place
U have been saying “I-“ lately
Why don’t u join the conversation 
nice
I do, sometimes
Also another info dump
I think when we do the trials we are reliving thier memories
There may not be a spirit to collect and learn an emote but still
And what makes it cool is everyones prince is different depending on how they feel about the trials and how they did them
So u can mold the prince around ur reactions
I have bee fleshing out the prince and i want to write poetry about sky lore
I need to
So many ideas
finish ur sentence...
please it makes me nervous
I am sorry
Also, I had theories about him being the prince too, I rlly couldn’t have any other explanations.
Maybe given the title of prince while not being offspring of the king
how many prophecies would a prophet prophesize if a prophet could prophesize prophecies?
3
I was adding to
It doesn’t make me cringe juat makes me worry
Oh
U can always ask for clarification :0

I am always happy to share my thoughts in more depth
I just need to be prompted on what needs clearing up
My thoughts and words can be jumbling and i do apologize for that
The king and prince are a difficult concept to talk about
There were concepts of them being 2 separate ppl and concepts of them being the same person
Who knows, that person in the mural could be the king, it could be the prince of it could be the prince before he became king and got corrupted
All I know is that some of my old theories are all coming true
That mural was jus..... 🔥
Oo oo
Rlly showed his influence on the world like I thought
Tell me these theories
Idk if that pun was intentional or not-
I like thinking of them as the same or the king purposefully picks a child to be the prince so they are easier to manipulate
Wether for malicious egotistical or self righteous means
See i think this bc this symbol isn’t visible by the temple
It lacks the ring
I also use this as an opportunity to think about my critiques on “the chosen one” trope that has children being placed in this role rather than adults and the fact they are placed nad not choose to take on said role personally
Usually coerced
I also want to see how i can fit specifically Jewish kabbalist aspects into this
I have already thought how sky fits with the concept of tikun olam like a glove
But i do want to think into tjis a bit more
A bit is an understatement
I will be thinking A LOT more
tips my hat

I think that’s enough info dumping for one night
Ooo
What about i have said makes u pog :0
Very interested
yes
Yes
Lol
Night yall
Night
Night Gelatin

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hey lore chat, why do you think skykids have to power to harness winged light? if our primary goal was to "bring our lost stars home" (which is presumably the elders) then why were we given the ability to use the winged light in the first place?
Uh
Were in a place of clouds
And we are above the sky
Idk
But actually I think flying makes the task easier so the one who-
Wait a second who was talking at the intro
we dont know
**When you start sky for the first time a story plays with a narrator and who is the narrator??? **
maybe losts stars refer to the winged lights, like they could be the spirits of those statues in eden, and you give them their soul back so they can go back home to orbit or smth
we kinda just theorized that its the megabird
Mega birb
Im starting to think the elder of eden was the one who narrated the task for us
Speaking of the task, the intro only spoke of the lost stars- which referred to the Elders
Do the Fallen in Eden count for this task? Was Ascending necessary to the quest they gave us?
am I just losing brain cells
I thought it may have only been referring to us, not the Fallen. The wording of the narrator implies that we're awoken as a last resort after the Fallen... erm, fallen??
CN translation says "My child", which makes me think its the Light
Cause... y'know, we're Children of the Light
I kind of just wanted to know if it was necessary for us to go to Eden for the task
or was that their way of telling us to go home
Maybe the lost stars being the ancestors were my interpretation
Or continue the rebirth cycle or something?
Were they also slated for Ascencion- and the only way we can do that if if we'd died and are reborn so we can ensure that no one was truly left behind?
Heck- what does Ascencion mean for the spirits
They get in our cloak and make us stronger? But for what?
Sanc lore?
When recieving the bells, we actually use our light when we honk to conjure up some hologram of some sort of the original bell when then converts it to purple light, the same one in Enchantment!
So purple really could have been something to do with architecture after all?
It's an old bell- a ruin
ive always said that the bell structure in sanctuary looks like the megabird
Does it? It always just looked like a weird looking structure
that vaguely made sense if taken into consideration what each one summoned
The purple light is used to make the bells reappear the exact same way as the shops appeared in Enchantment after the purple light was used
Ohhhh
for some reason the structure looks like megan haha
i might be going blind i don't see the resemblance-
Its an old concept tho. Maybe they based it off of this concept?
Sort of looks different yet similar
Different enough to make it seem like a coincidence tho
But with the lights
Oh yeah Butters- if those lights really were the same from Enchantment then that would mean they were widespread and mass produced
i think-
If purple light was used in Sanctuary, the other four lights had a major role in Prophecy, will we see the red light make an appearance?
Though, it'll be for something like murals, and we just had something like that from Prophecy
Can sky kids die?
Oh yeah Butters- if those lights really were the same from Enchantment then that would mean they were widespread and mass produced
Yeah, thats what I thought too-
Maybe that's how the mural in Forest came from. It's also golden just like the murals that appearned in Enchantment from the red light!
I didn't play eden yet
Its not death
You dont really die in Eden, haha...
Well, if you think about it, its not death tbh
Why wouldn't it be death when that was literally the point of the area-
Okay, this chat has a lot of major spoilers you haven't seen yet, soo...
Best finish Eden first dude
I'm at valley of triumph still
And then poke around the pins to get a feel for the stuff we discuss here
Yeah, this chat has spoilers
We're still really glad to have you though
I mean I see that we kinda die in the trials
Just wouldn't want you confused
But I don't know if that's considered death or not
Basically the light fades and you become grey and restart from checkpoint
So maybe?
I don't think it's considered death? You have an entire cutscene for death- meeting glowy boi and stuff when you die
At least that's what I think
probably? If we're made of anything that can corrode-
technically no
oof gotta eat brb
We made of rocc
Take over, finish the game- have fun ya'll-
we dont die from isle, prairie, forest waters aside from the rain
if the rain hurts us but not the waters itself then the rain must have something wrong
Does the rain kill the sky kids
Like I'm not sure but they witther and get grey
So i don't know if this is some kind of death or not
Well, kinda..? But you could search up what happens or try it yourself-
it can if you’re out long enough
source: i fell asleep in forest rain 
and woke up in the pity star room 
If you stand in the rain long enough you lose your light, and then after enough time you start to lose winged light, which then if you allow yourself to lose all of your winged light you get sent to ||orbit||
Or if you used up all your light energy and cant fly and go into the rain
@thin dirge i waited
But the wing things flew away and that's it
Or is there more?
Wait until you ran out of them
Oh
You have to lose all of your winged light
Like, none left
you lose all your winged light, then the flame, then the star, then you die
We dont know how the spirits died
oh ye guys, did you think this beam of light represent soemthing? also is it shoout out from the sky or from the mountain?
They may have died for different reasons
spirits are hurt from rain but idk if it did hurt them when they were alive
@bitter shale Its similar to the light beam in the concepts when you ascend...
because in eye of eden, if we see closely we can see that the beam of light on the diamond actually shoot up to the sky
The geysers that spit out light from the Eart and sens light creatures to Megan
ooh 
The light beam appears...
When you save the Prince
The Prince seems to summon the light beam in the concepts?
That's definitely food for thought-
oh ye guys, did you think this beam of light represent soemthing? also is it shoout out from the sky or from the mountain?
@bitter shale i think it looks like a volacnic eruption
but then in next next mural we didnt see any beam... do you think they sealed the core of the light beam inside the diamond?

i mean it possible right-
Or maybe they made the Diamond do it itself rather than the kid doing it or something-
spirits are hurt from rain but idk if it did hurt them when they were alive
@spring blaze oh , where could that be seen?
they didnt need the beam of light again since they already have the child of light to guide all light creatures to Megan...
@shy otter We dont know. Lore of Sky is vague
if you relieve the shiver spirit they get hurt from rain
also the lightseeker spirit in forest gets hurt too
Oh
The Prince is seen to be on top of the mountain where the beam was, with all light creatures circling, like a cycle.
Makes me believe the Prince was the one who triggered the cycle
yep!
the child of light is very important to the reborn cycle since they are the main trigger of it
Anyway, @shy otter, this topic is getting a little spoilery for you, I suggest try finishing the game first
think of it like the CoL is the ferryman for the light creatures
the guide of reborn cycle
Well, technically the Isle Elder does that
mmm yea you were right-
but maybe isle elder have limit while the col didnt?
Well, guides ppl to the light, but I guess CoL does something similar?
Well, I believed the Prince was the incarnation of the Light itself, which was why they're so significant compared to many of the other skids out there
They're the one who triggers the cycle
mmmm like this
isle elder can only guide the light creatures to Megan, but CoL can directly lead them to Megan
Yeah
i believe the prince is only one of kind. before us there is only one child of light and that is the Prince
Perhaps that's how the Prince was meant to lead.
Someone who isn't praised as some idol, but rather walks among the ppl and the light creatures to lead them to Megan and start the cycle
after the Prince demise, Megan created lots of Children of Light insteda of one
to prevent the same accident
reminds me of jesus
Well, yeah, but a lot of things didn't go right with the Prince, I believe
i mean, the symbol of Prince mask does looks like the Star of Bethlehem symbol...
We're pretty much fixing the mistales of what the Prince did, maybe
But are we the Prince or are they someone else is a good question to ask ourselves... 
It's clear we're at least doing the thing that the Prince was meant to do from the beginning.
Walking among the light creatures and spirits to lead them to Megan and triggering the cycle
Well, more like flying, but still
the first word my eyes were drawn to was the word jesus what have ya'll been up to-

here is teh symbol of Bethlehem Star
Oh yeah.... Looks similar
8 pointed star
Technically not- Twins count as 1
as if one chaotic elder wasn't enough Megan decided to let them split like it's mitosis and now we're stuck with two chaotic elders
its those “two halves of a whole thing” but i like the idea of valley having two elders
lads i wanna ask, what is teh difference between rebirth and reincarnation?
Rebirth is repeating existence
Reincarnation is your soul being born in a new body
oh yea also
for those bone of creatures in forest and gw, is because unnatural death right?
Maybe? Can't be sure tho
That's what we've hypothesized so far at least-
wait, its not in canon doc?
i remember reaidng that in canon doc... now i need to check it again
what
Skimmed real quick it wasn't in canon lore doc
just a bunch if skeletons and bones-
aw
not really serious but yall think that mountain in the distance in journey might be related to eden in some way? Like maybe same kingdom long time ago lol
But it's in the observations section so I ain't too sure about that Flos
Not really Rei- Journey and Sky are separate games and have no lore between them- but ye that mountain looks sus
also i kinda have a crazy theory (mostly since its for my sky au but shhh)
what if Skids are Ancestors that got reincarnated?
hmmm
we see so many ancestors in prophecy murals, but we can actually meet only few of them in game.
i mean its possible
beware the ||mods||
Sorry if I'm interrupting but I went to eden, whole shebang, used a shrink spell for stormlock
And when I got into the dark room with the child, we were same height, smol. And when I canceled the spell the other child also grew with me
Idk pretty sure most people already think/theorise both of them are us, but well make with this info whatever ya want, just thought I'd say 
okay that's actually pretty interesting tho what-
Woah
we are the prince we are the prince we are the prince aoaoaooaoaoaoaooa
Honestly, trying to figure it out is breaking my brain
we can only ascend after we hug the boi
we need to confront ourselves to proceed???

Also hugging the boi restores our light, and makes us shiny
The same way as we do in Trials
I kinda wonder if this is the same thing that the Fallen see after being given Winged Light
Oh wait, that reminds me of a theory I had. Not ine I'm particularly devoted to, but good food for thought-
share
In the theiry doc I had
please share we're hungry

About the Prophecy lights, remember
ah brb gotta do chores keep going
I mentioned how the four elemental lights may have been used in Eden, maybe even used in the Eden Diamond
Which is why Eden is chaotic atm
Well, the lights go to us after proving ourselves worthy
in the trials
When we lose all our WL in Eden, the Diamond suddenly glows up
As if it's reacting to us when we lose our light
So what if the lights, within the Diamond, are reacting to our sacrifice and finds us worthy
the kid we meet in Eden is actually a personification of that, which is why we start glowing like we do in Trials after our death
Though, there's another idea I had...
But its kinda boring
You don't have to share if you don't wanna but I am kinda hooked-
I am too. Hi 
Hello there
in this oob the light looks moving upward more clearly
altho the windwall is quite annoying ngl
I dunno why, but I just had a random thought thanks to Butter's theory about the propechy elements and Eden
What if they did try to use all elements into the diamond, and that caused the explosion?
Plus, Eden is very windy, flying rocks everywhere, and dirty poisoness water 
And for the fire, I kinda wanna say it sorta spread and burned everything, which is why there's no sign of life like grass or flowers or trees, cuz they're all burned to a crispt
Oh, as well as some parts of buildings or stuff all being a dark color, cuz I can't see them building a dark, black ominous castle there
That's actually pretty much what my theory was haha
That Eden Diamond exploded because it couldn't handle the light's power
Then why did they use all the elements to the diamond
Well, they just did
What were they thinking
That's kinda like asking why ppl irl still use fossil fuels, even if its bad for the environment
They just do it
And why would they use it in the main power diamond that controls
Maybe theres a traitro
Also they could have used the little diamonds
Nah, I think they did it for the prosperity of the Kingdom
But it wasn't good in the long run
They could have used the little diamonds for experiment
Based from the murals, I don't think it had clear negative side effects until much later on
Hm
It occurred over time, rather than immediate
That's why they didn't notice anything at first
By the time they realised something's up, they were too late
Well yeah they could have tested it firsts
For me i think they are maybe stopping darkness
They would, but as I said, even if they tested it, the negative side effects wouldn't have been clear until a very, very long time passed
But it end up getting worst
There's a chance they've been warned, but ppl are greedy
Even if its bad in the long rum, some ppl would just rather use it if it benefits themselves

That's actually pretty much what my theory was haha
Oh whoops, my brain too slow then
Guess i was just tryna connect the dots for myself lmao
I dunno why, but I just had a random thought thanks to Butter's theory about the propechy elements and Eden
What if they did try to use all elements into the diamond, and that caused the explosion?
Plus, Eden is very windy, flying rocks everywhere, and dirty poisoness water
And for the fire, I kinda wanna say it sorta spread and burned everything, which is why there's no sign of life like grass or flowers or trees, cuz they're all burned to a crispt
Oh, as well as some parts of buildings or stuff all being a dark color, cuz I can't see them building a dark, black ominous castle there
@neat fractal not to mention there's a body curled up there too
Oh also, got a clearer picture of after no return point
Basically just the same, no entrance/exit in sight, just wall 
yes
@edgy sequoia indeed 
Also, try not to quote large walls of text since it takes up a lot of space 
I wonder what’s inside the diamond
It’s really big
Does it take a lot of light to make?
If so,what creature or how many creatures were used to make the diamond
We were just talking about it
Scroll up a bit if you'd like
JOOS
J o o s
Ye
Wait, hold up-
im... well
for the diamond i think it was used to absorb megan's light
in prophecy mural we cans ee a beam of light on the peak of eden mountain. the same beam appeared in current game as well, but its moving upward
You know how there's diamond symbols in our skid, right? Leftovers from Beta
on our forehead right?
No, the diamond symbol that was originally on our chest
The small diamonds in the skid's model, or something
oooh
what
oh yea the dot of light on our chest was originally shaped like diamond right?
Yeah, that symbol
There's leftover of it in our skid
Im wondering, is it the same thing with the kid that we hug when we die in Eden..?
Hmm... Maybe I should just ask in the other chat...
Hello everybody!
Just a funny thought but...
Have you noticed in the different levels of the vault, each correspond to the different elder's/realms constellations.
And when you get up to the valley of triumph floor it's very empty aside from floating bones.
And here I thought,
"Dang, the twins don't get into meetings much do they?
"
Actually, that's Wasteland. The first floor is kinda meant to represent Isle. Shown by the sand in the area, I think? Or was there no sand..?
The floor before that area is Valley
Ye- so it's more like "Dang the Twins REALLY like platforming"
Well, they got the air element, and the Trial of Air has A LOT of platforming-
It's the Trial I suffered in the most-

The moving platforms does not help either
Died way too many times because of them
They're harder than the rotating ones in Earth tbh
Just wondering, has anyone theorized why the Cave of prophecies uses a portal to enter it?
Possibly to isolate themselves from the rest of the world- the thing seemed pretty hidden-
Well, my interpretation that its a seperate space entirely and time flows differently there
Even more so back then I'd imagine-
sometimes I kind of seriously wonder what the heck Isle looked like before Eden
Hey, imagine all the students of the Prophets in the CoP are actually gonna be the spirits we will have in a future Season
Imagine having 7 spirits and a QG 
Oh, it will be fun
i'm still holding onto those spirits being the same ones we see in the vanilla game
i'm still holding onto those spirits being the same ones we see in the vanilla game
@queen locust ooOOooOh, yeah. Before they became the epic spirits
I saw all the evidence against it but until I see that it was just coincidental design choice I'm holding onto it
Well, maybe Pointing Pilgrim, but I'm not sure.
Aside from the guy, I feel certain that there's a chance everyine else is a spirit we haven't seen yet-
Having them be the same spirits has merits to it
Plus, if it's a spirit we've seen, they would be glowing yellow if we ascended the spirits.
I have all my spirits ascended, but they aren't yellow
This is the case with Twirling Champion's memory
There's two spirits we have encountered in game in their memory, and they actually appear yellow if you ascended them.
Yeah that's the evidence I see against it all the time, I'm kind of disappointed that those probably aren't the same spirits
Yeah, true
especially Pilgrim because he was sus-

i just realized you said 7 earlier in place of 8
Is that supposed to mean something-
Pointing Pilgrim may not be a student
That's why I said 7 and a QG
Thats 8 overall
And there's 8 students
Imma guess you mean the QG themselves are a student-
Yeah
i'm doing a mental check in my head and i might be overthinking things but
Pilgrim is the only emote that gave us any actual direction
And just what he was pointing at has several layers to it- the general direction of it at least
In the direction he's pointing, are the Isle Temple, Eden, and roughly the Cave of Prophecies
all three of which are locations integral to the game in SOME way
In that last one, he just happened to have some look-alike in who was involved with the trials- assuming that wasn't actually him
when I ran through those emotes real quick a moff with the Pilgrim hair befriended me I'm-
Anyway those were the things I found sus about the guy maybe I'm overthinking things-
alright I'm back from my existential breakdown that I had in here yesterday
hopefully it won't happen again
oh man- sorry to hear about the breakdown-
then again this is a game heavy on the life and death subtext
did you actually go back and read what I broke down over?
you might not want to
Fam I'm a teen about to exit high school and uses the existential dread to shield themselves from the fear of the inevitable- hit me with your worst-
aight use the discord search tool I ain't scrolling to find it
my name and in lore chat
oh m y
Yeah wth Megan what do you w a n t-
We've ascended all your bois
We literally have nowhere else to move forward to after that-
wait should I be talking about that I'm sorry
I-
don't let me return to the existential breakdown place please
I should try to not over think things
Okay okay we'll push the scary void place for later-
not healthy for me on a school night either
How's loring?
I-
he might literally just be a mechanic to remind us where The Light wants us to go but like-
It's the same thing where Isle Elder is the only Elder who deliberately points you to Eden
kind of-
doesn't isle elder use birds to tell us where to go?
He does yeah
Did anyone post parallels or similarities of some parts of the game lore with the ascension of Sun God "Ra" in Egyptian mythology? Many things seems similar... I was replying to a post in reddit about why anubis headed season guide might be connected to the prophecy and trials and it clicked that may other stuff may also be inspired from Egyptian mythology..
Ok but I maybe have an answer to where we went "wrong"
I'm not too well-versed in Egyptian Afterlives-
Sorry just finished backread of Jouske's post
But I'm very intrigued-
what null?
We were sent for the stars, but fell in love with the people
Did anyone post parallels or similarities of some parts of the game lore with the ascension of Sun God "Ra" in Egyptian mythology? Many things seems similar... I was replying to a post in reddit about why anubis headed season guide might be connected to the prophecy and trials and it clicked that may other stuff may also be inspired from Egyptian mythology..
@haughty talon https://ancientegyptonline.co.uk/bookgates/
Sun god ascending and having a rebirth cycle, souls being guided to ascension, before ascending, going through various gates to find gods who they need to talk to to get yhe door opened to next realm, etc so many things seem similar. I will do a write up of what I found later. But wanted to throw this out in the open for discussion
i do not see u_u
Hmm... I'm curious.
I started questioning my existence a few time, but they only last for a short while.
The last time I had one, gave me shivers and almost broke my brain, even if it was just for a brief moment
Falling in love with corpses
Sure, we evaluate that as a good thing... But maybe Megabird does not feel the same.
yeah that never ends well
Not corpses, spirits
Aaannddd... Idk why I even shared that
Very diffeeent
welcome to the existential crisis gang I guess
Well, it wa stated to be lore significant
I'm just gonna leave
Well, the halo, at least
Hello, I just thought of something. So there is a room in vault, the pull-up door one.
There is a table inside. Its huge in comprasion to a Sky kid and there it a spirit there so we can also see, that it seems too big for them too.
We know that elders are bigger than spirits. What if this table was for them? What if they used to sit in vault together from time to time? After all, vault has all elder monuments at the end, so...
Why would the table be so big?
Well, perhaps it was for Elders
But uhh.... Im pretty sure little Prince here is too small for that
Unless... mech
his mech's too big to fit
I like the theory that it's for the elders, but the reason we are short chairs is not cause King is missing, but because the twins SHOULD NEVER BE SITTING DOWN FOR THAT LONG
I Have no idea about that whole king and prince stuff. XD
So im just about the elders.
Did they have to like- make one of those high chairs and we just never saw it
The Twins are the closest thing to children aside from the skid themself, lmao
You forget baby questgiver spirit in Sightseer's memory
That one is a total daaaawwwwww
Sightseer is a treasure honestly-
I should go there again and count the chairs. If by some pure luck there will be at least 6 i am damn sure that elders would pop up there for some tea time
It sounds silly, but what a nice thought :D
Wait, which word was filtered?
The Twins behaving and drinking tea brings me a sense of foreboding
It went too fast for me to see- sorry :'DD
Someone animated that
I was planning to have that Who broke It meme, but with the Eden Diamond and the Prince asking who broke it, LMAO
Never got to do it
Yet
Well, I have the drawings, but they're not finished
Oooooh
So belonging capes are a bit ascended, lol
Its because of journey references xD
Guys, there are 6 chairs

They are still a bit small for some elders thought
Probably
i can smell the chaos
They share everything XD
Oooh
hot take but they'd 100 percent fight the Prince for a seat
One of the chairs is laying on the ground. Its because twins would never take a sit - they would just fight for it and thus its on the ground now 
the twins are the leg
That is-
There's not enough seats so the Prince just up and made one
would it be comfortable to sit on a Valley Elder's back-
I mean, they could always bring some more chairs, these are just chairs, also in a broken down room. Its been a long time since anybody sat behind that table, so some chairs could just be gone
Maybe he likes standing
Grumpy?
My headcanon that he wasn't always like that.
Ayin being a big sleeper only happened after the fall of the Kingdom. He became depressed.
Before, he was more of a work-a-holic or something
okay now he's big sad what the heck-
I wonder how vault has 2 elders in the first place. Other realms Have one. How did it happen? That brings me to a question: how did elders become elders
Also, he was asleep on one cutscene, how dare you to judge him so hard on that. XD
at least according to canon lore
He's the Elder that worked the hardest and the most dedicated out of all the Elders.
Loved playing with children, but was often too busy for it
For Teth, my headcanon she was actually the second to that
Ayin is
precious
Fanon names guys- minimizing-
Is there anyway to shorten the elders’ name without mentioning their fanon names?
Theory:Eden diamond went boom,killed a lot of stuff,Prairie elder saw that,depressed,s l e e p
I still dont get why all of you are calling him depressed
Because he was asleep when a kid came
Who's ayin again
Prairie elder
Also, every elder is pretty sad for the begoning
Because he has slept for SO LONG-
Dude, we saw him sleep once, and how do you know for how long
We Have no prove he sleeps all the time
no I think he was just hibernating
Pretty dang long-
Orbit?
Presumably since the disaster-
Ah
I am not a fan of that theory about his depression, not enough proof for me
Im not buying that
Wait, is it just me, or does the five elders after Isle and before Eden represent the five stages of grief?
If you meet him in the orbit, he looks like he is in a bad mood because u disturbed his sleep
@hushed steeple would you be happy if someone woke u up dood? XD
Oof, I gtg tho
Denial- Anger- Bargaining- Depression- Acceptance
I'll bring it up later, cya
In that order-
I do not think so
Bye Butter
I dunno- it kinda fits the bill pretty well- aside from the Twins and bargaining at least
I am not convinced
You don't have to be, it's a theory- everyone has misgivings
Although since this is a game, and we only meet the elders in few places, wouldn't their actions tell their personality?
@hushed steeple if someone enjoys sleep it doesnt has to mean they are depressed, not enough proof for me
It's very telling of their personalities- we assumed as much with both the Twins and Forest Mama
Yeah but sleep doesnt mean depression
I can just say he's lazy
I don't think he's all that depressed either actually- maybe just worn out and he's literally the only one who thought sleeping was nice lmao
Or tired from all the work? He was hardworker
Hibernating Prairie Elder-
I don't think he's all that depressed either actually- maybe just worn out and he's literally the only one who thought sleeping was nice lmao
@queen locust I like that thought XD
I'm going to go off and get food and maybe do a eden run
I can draw a correlation between Depression and Sleep though- but with how little we see of the Elders I have my doubts
I can draw a correlation between Depression and Sleep though- but with how little we see of the Elders I have my doubts
@queen locust exactly
Oh, and also
It doesnt seem right
GIANT HUGGABLE ELDER
That would be awesome
Prairie would make the best chair
what if that's why there's only 6 chairs the Prince just uses Prairie Elder as a chair
what if that's why there's only 6 chairs the Prince just uses Prairie Elder as a chair
@queen locust I Have no clue about who is that prince dood, but I like that theory anyway
Mantas can go through walls right
It's a pretty dang big door but the mechanism used to open it is weird if it's meant for the Elders
Also, guys, elders Have different sizes in Eden. Maybe they can ulter their size
But its just a thought
Prince and King are very big deals so I suggest reading up on them
It's a pretty dang big door but the mechanism used to open it is weird if it's meant for the Elders
@queen locust they could Have some spirits do it for them
there's barely any to read up on anyway XD
What if the worm bois in trials are krill hathlings
They develop legs once they evolve
Krills are evolving
They're smoky dust bunnies indifferent to life and warmth I legit question your tastes sometimes XD
krebs are devil spawn
Dark worms are really hard to see
They're smoky dust bunnies indifferent to life and warmth I legit question your tastes sometimes XD
@queen locust why bunnies
No clue it just kinda stuck when we were tryna decide what to name them
Jesus Fire Prophet your abominations are ineffective for the horror factor against these guys XD
Hm... what if it doesnt matter what are these things. Maybe even tgc dont know that and put them there for the trial purpose. Maybe even tgc doesnt know the whole lore and we are the ones creating it every day
Yes
Go play with moths, it can bring your sanity back
I've got a better idea

