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see this is why i rarely talk in lore chat fhdja 
I actually had this idea (theory? Idk) that the elders all tried to protect their respective realms when the Eden diamond exploded
Vault being destroyed since its right next to Eden but luckily they have the projectors which they (or the elder, what I've heard somehow survived) activated to make the dream like realm we have now
Wasteland I imagined they were having a war/battle during the explosion and it took out most/all of the troops and left the elder weak
Valley possibly less destruction but I like to think the explosion chased the buildings to crumble and fall as well as the valley elders losing their arms (thus the prosthetics they use now)
The whales in forest could also have gone haywire/scared when the explosion hit and ran into buildings and such (like the last area before temple, with the huge bones in what I assume was a home)
Isle and prairie having the least affect. Isle I think was long abandoned before the explosion. Prairie I dunno. Apologies for the wall of text!
Orrrr, they made Vault a...What do you call this? A stimulation, since at the end of Vault. The elevator is heavily damaged and there is a first floor and there is rubble everywhere unlike when we entered Vault. Maybe since prarie is the one that is mostly uhh exposed to light? Aka, the sun?
But prarie has quite a lot of darkness plants
Technically, vault was mainly destroyed bc of the ruin
Vault may be next to eden but that’s because vault is INSIDE the mountain
The eden castle is somewhere on top of the whole mountain while the tip of vault is somewhere around the top but not the summit
Darkness plants can be brought from places to prairie,I think
Unlike Valley (only found in Valley's maze) and Isle (2 spirits barrier) which has few darkness plants
Perhaps
I dunno honestly, it's midnight and my smooth brain is spewing out nonsense
Maybe because prairie is the "full of life" land so they wanted to bring all life forms to it?
Also Dang I had a lot of typos and auto corrects in that text wall
It's also midnight for me and my brain is also on crabs
Sorry if some parts don't make sense
yes
Alright go to sleep now brain juicer doesn't like weak brains
Yeah me too, Imms sneep
What is this sneep you're talking about? I've never heard about it! 

Skybot sleep your eyes are shining from tiredness
Sky bot no
Ok bye, good morning
Gonna sneep now
I've heard a story about some Sky kids falling asleep in Golden Wasteland, rumour has it no one has seen them anymore... 

:[
Guys this is about the intro difference.
I am not sure which intro came first.
Intro 1: with the stars, our light was infinite. But darkness came, and the stars fell.
Intro 2: with the stars, our light was infinite. But darkness blinds, so I cast them away. “
I find this interesting as to who the “I” is. The other intro gives the person talking to us a lot more power no?
It’s what I thought too
The new intro suggests that the King pushed them away because of his own corruption
its midnight for me too 
It’s like, he gave the people a warning and they didn’t listen. So he went all the great flood and Noah’s arc on everyone ?
new intro?
The old one suggests that they fell due to it
I think perhapsv
It makes a lil sense but the King fell to the clouds too right
Like
There are 6 stars
Wait nvm
There’s such a thing as an Eden elder afaik?
7 stars?
I counted 6
The last fell off screen and i guess I assumed that was the light coming to the skykid
forming the uh castle
hurng?
Oh that’s really interesting!!
Yeah theres seven I just forgot about the Vault lmao
even emotes didnt show up shsngd
Quick question did anyone take matter into their own hands and took a screenshot of every mural in the game? If not I can do it (it will take time) but I don’t want to if someone else already did it
They’re really revealing
did what
They are a lil bitty
soery brain smooth rn
SS the murals
The cave paintings
nvm i will go sneep now cya all later
Sneep
snorp! 
The hyuck
I’ll do isle of dawn now then
Hurg aight
i cant do the rest
head so heavy rn
sorry
not in order
aight byE
What's the difference if it was in Japanese?
Well, its meaning sometimes changes
I have a theory:
What if krills are supposed to ascend long ago,but couldn't and got stuck in that rocky cover?
Ok so
We see their light from their eyes
It's blue
And when we die and the rocks covering us fall over we are blue as well
So maybe the krills were in this part of the process
But the explosion did something,I don't know,maybe mess up the reborn cycle
And they were stuck in that part(soul coming out of rock shell but they didn't come out)
Whenever they see light creatures (including us skykids)they think they are in orbit with other creatures so they just head straight to them
Not knowing they're hurting others
@neat fractal in japanese sometimes the names have different meanings, so it takes us closer to what’s it’s originally supposed to be
To add to the ark project theory, we can see that in the intro, there is an “explosion” starting from Eden and expending to other kingdoms, making the 7 castles and 7 stars disappear.
What I wonder however, is this
Here what exactly are the other stars?
Are they the elders? But in the intro they all disappeared
Or maybe it’s the elders and representing how they have lost their light, which is why our character gives back light to every elder throughout the game ?
Guys i just realised something
It goes from primitive to more and more advanced. At first I thought it meant the 7 realms didn’t coexist but actually succeeded each other but that makes no sense with everything else we know about the game
But every realm gets more and more advanced
if only someone can comment what the texts are saying
i'm also sending this, which happens to be in golden wasteland. the mountains are carved, it looks like an ascension
if only someone can comment what the texts are saying
@sinful anvil the texts?
i can send you a more hd pic
other interesting concept art: one of the realms was meant to be a city?
Bruh that looks so cool
Dawn
Primitive carved motifs
Rough hewn stone
Features Bird of Light
Moss
Day
More geometric motifs
Straighter cut stone
Blue and white paint scheme
Moss covered
Rain
Geometric/technology motifs
Precisely cut edges
Less paint, more relief carving
No moss on architecture
Sunset
Opulent geometric motifs
Aged but well crafted
Gold paint, heavy relief carving
Features King
Completely in silhouette
Dusk
Complex but pragmatic geometric/technological motifs
Damaged from battle
Dull gold paint, heavy relief carving
Dark stone elements
Features King
Most complex silhouette
The story of sky started in the human world...
wait sorry for spamming concept art but? Is this supposed to be eden??
okay thank you!
https://www.tomzhao.com/sky1 there's a lot of things here i fail to understand if any of you want to check it out go ahead!
we already have seen it for thousands of times
The story of sky started in the human world...
@willow shoal I belive next season will be about it, and it will be placed in Valley i assume
that would b cool
I think they initially planned Isle and Prairie to be more like our real world, with benches and buildings and then slowly transition into a fantasy land. But then the idea changed
@willow shoal i'm sure many of you have. However there are new people here everyday, and looking at this discord, including me. It never hurts to share! 🙂
but by the way, what makes you say the story of Sky began in the human world?
Valley is the only place which doesn’t have a new seasonal place, so most probably it will take place in valley and i guess we will see the pre explosion era of sky
The concept art! I'm not saying it actually is the human world. I'm just mentioning it since some people have been sending concept art which features human buildings and such
oh i see... i didn't see it this way. I think the game clearly shows strong sentiment against human endless greed, and therefore they originally planned out the game to be much more "human looking", since the message of the game is meant to be aimed toward us. but then they changed and made it more subtle
Exactly!
i also think about two concept arts again, one where they say that the color orange is sacred in the game because it symbolises connection, and the one with visual relationships
While the idea to portray real world structures and such was discarded, they still built a narrative and world that reflects ours
two worlds oppose each other, the greed, isolated, cold technological world led by the ancestors, and the more natural, pure world where we find the "children of light", and we are meant to connect both by using our light. It's why we collect light from each realm and then hand it to the elder?
i didn't mean to spoiler it
but i'm not sure what the megabird is or mean
means*
Yeah! I think they changed orange for yellow. But the colors do have meaning in the finished/live version! If I remember correctly, yellow colors mean life and energy, positive things. And the blue was meant to represent the dark, lack of life and energy and such
Megabird (Usually called Megan as an inside joke in this chat) is supposed to be the "God/Goddess" of the Sky world!
yes, and those are meanings that resonate to us well too.
We have no solid proof Megabird is canon tho
is the megabird different than the king then?
Yes, they are two different beings
another question sorry, i don't understand where the idea of the "king" came from? I'm reading the google drive doc and everyone assumes it's here but i don't understand how anyone thought about it in the first place
ah i guess the megabird was canon at some point otherwise there would be no concept art about it?
All questions are welcome, don't worry about it! We all love discussing lore here. We first started talking about the king when we got our hands on some concept art, which said he was removed from the game eventually
Later on the devs confirmed the King is inside the game, and it's a canon character, but it's not present in the way we expect
ohh that's so interesting. Where can i find the other concept art websites like tom zhao's? is it in one of the pinned messages?
thank you for answering everything so clearly to me
If you check further up in #news you can find the links to the official Sky account Twitter with some concept art of each of the realms! Or you can directly go into https://twitter.com/thatskygame to find it
thank you for answering everything so clearly to me
@little island It's no problem!!
thank you i'll check it out right now!!
Have fun! 

oh that's the same as on the concept art i posted aboce
above
i assumed it was just a military symbol?
like, indicating what the building was
This is atop the wastelands temple
These stars are very present, both in Valley and Wasteland! My theory is that they are meant to represent the King we mentioned earlier!
Since the King was basically, well, a king, my main theory is that the people who used to live in the world tried to represent him in some structures
like a christian cross?
Yeah!
but by the way, what makes you say the story of Sky began in the human world?
@little island
**🎨 "At one point we imagined Isle of Dawn to be the transition from the real world into the world of Sky."
**
If you place concept art of the King next to the big star structures, the shape of his head and the star are very similar
Please have a look at the 7 Days of Sky in twitter, Nini
The real world=The human world
but we don’t know why they add this to the further beginning of the skykids
i need to sleep now

that star is basically king propaganda
Focus at the line "At one point" , it doesn't mean that in the end, the Motive of isle was the transition from the real world
Tbh, i don't even think sky world is in any way connected with the human world, but there are opposing fan theories and old concepts
guys i see so many things in pin-
which one should i read first?
You should start with this starter doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
-credits to brick
If you have read it already, try reading the canon doc
ok thanks 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE
This is the canon lore doc
Then read the non-canon i.e. ideas and theories doc
tysm--
Oh nvm i shouldve read the message above me lmaoo
Oh ok not canon but my personal thought ive been thinking for awhile: i think elders are genderless
I think it is canon
those aren’t canon names
the current elders don’t have canon names aside from their titles
LAMED AHAHAH
I'M DEAD I'M DEAD
Vault elder is secretly Blue Diamond and you can't prove me wrong
By the way, I really can't understand the concept of Megabird (is it that thing in Eden?) and especially King. Where can one read about them?..
Hello new Lore Moff!
Read this short document to get started! Once you’ve read this, check out pins for more information. 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
they’re rather prominent in the concepts too if you wanna check those out, @hushed steeple 
Oh...
Megabird is really interesting by their uncertanity.
If the King and Prince are "very corrupted and not to be saved anymore", it means they can have... no typically elderian body? The exploding thing in Eden scares me somehow and makes me think about it as a something alive, dark and dangerous-
So the sence of sky child's living is to bring back their fallen comrades... I thought about it really a lot when I was playing Eden. Some kind of earlier versions of sky children who were fallen somehow, or maybe they are the winged lights-
By the way why the winged lights have so human-like appearance, are they alive?
no need to spoiler here shsgn
I thought it was for the halloween thing they made, but it still there
I tried looking up stuff on the wiki but didn’t find anything
Ooh spirit in the works
it's a prairie pot thingy, like this one
Ohhh! Thank you I completely forgot about that
Lmao
yeah lol but i'm pretty sure these pots come from prairie
Why Golden Wasteland is golden wasteland? First impression often is that the area has a golden green tinge. Whist it may have been desert before times, and named before that, the theme if oil being present struck me today. Oil is often reffered to as "black gold". I like to believe that this was intentional, and that unmistakeably, before and after whatever happened to the world, Golden Wasteland has always been a Golden Wasteland. 
Someone know whats thing thing at the ||office||?
I think it's japanese tradition of sort. Don't know fully, but sometimes such "ghosts" are placed by windows in hopes to bring good weather or something.
ohh teru teru bozu!
Some time ago I started to think about sky kids and stars, what is their meaning? I remember the theory about us - sky kids being made out of clay, we are dolls made by spirits who live in sky world. Our body carries the light, we find it - then we are able to move and fly - to be alive.
** ** ** **- The stars are fragments of light that fell from sky, we gather them and carry them until we are ready to return them to the sky. While we carry them they give us power and they strengthen us to face everything.
** ** ** ** This all made me think about; what if when we go to eden to give all our light away to the statues, and then lose all of our light and freeze in same way like the statues - and the small blue spirit comes from us - thats when our soul ascends and our body is left to the storm
** ** ** ** The sky kids body doesn't get to reborn, they are left to the next ones that carry the light- sky kid body was made to carry light back to the sky - our body (that could have been made from clay) is meant to be vessel
oof thats long how do you even add big space??
I think it goes hand in hand with the life concept, throughout the levels, wingled light can be obtained, and it helps to progress, in essence, it acts as expetience. Perhaps at the eden, the light is given as the last moments are counted to the new souls to be born, possibly interpreted as passing your knowledge to younger generations to help them. Which may be why the targert is to give away as much of the light as possible.
As for the remaining body. Maybe when we reborn, we become entirely something else, that had been saved by someone else, whilst our true being remains after death in eden. However, it is contradicted with the animation that the statue actialy cracks and splits open. I don't know about the clay theory, as spirits too have turned to stone, and can be cracked open. Maybe fosilisation of sorts would be a closer answer, since it again goes hand in hand with the aging premise.
You turn in stone, yes, but as an idea, you become ancient. Times pass, and you turn into a memory for someone in the future to discover.
That does raise an interesting question. What if Sky time flow is not as we understand it. Perhaps non linear, or not constant, speeding and slowing as it progresses.
I mean... i sure HOPE it isn't linear-
Otherwise Prairie and Valley are kinda screwed
I missed a lot of talking tho holy-
How tall is chibi mask spirit before she put on chibi mask?
does someone have screenshots of her memories?
Why Golden Wasteland is golden wasteland? First impression often is that the area has a golden green tinge. Whist it may have been desert before times, and named before that, the theme if oil being present struck me today. Oil is often reffered to as "black gold". I like to believe that this was intentional, and that unmistakeably, before and after whatever happened to the world, Golden Wasteland has always been a Golden Wasteland. :aSkyRolllll:
@keen kettleunrelated to current talk but i really enjoy this theory
good god thats big brain right there
Nice
@atomic forge hey there, sorry for the late ping but please don't repost other people's art! we have these rules to protect the artists in our community and prevent unauthorized reposts, so I have deleted your message 

so whats with that bird on the pedestal in front of valley citadel?
Answer the question
old beta used to have a bunch of quests that you could complete
ShiraCheshire's Valley album in the pins mentions the bird, iirc
What is the average air speed of a moth person?
A "moth" is a new player. They have brown wings, they flap around uncontrollably, and they are drawn to flame!
Thank you Skybot. Not the question tho ^.^
I think it's japanese tradition of sort. Don't know fully, but sometimes such "ghosts" are placed by windows in hopes to bring good weather or something.
@keen kettle actually, it’s an inside joke among TGC staff that their location is haunted (random opening doors, that sort of thing) so they included their liddol ghost friend when designing the office in-game
Is there a reason we're given 7 flaps when flying through the ruins after dying?
||it's because the total number of statues in eden can only give you max 7 flaps||
yea
It always gives you 7 flaps for the part when you fly up to Orbit after dying, it doesn't matter how many you had before or how many wing buffs you have. You don't even get your wing buffs in your cape until you are actually in Orbit, it just gives you some flaps for the cape in that section so that you can fly, but I don't think it's really affected by anything
It's a quest-giver back then
@cerulean silo meanwhile i thought it was a sacrifice or smth
In universe, it is
Are we gonna classify the round darkness plants as a new species?
@teal orbit i think the round ones are the same
not sure tho
But the non round ones have spikes...
And the round ones dont have blossoms too
ive wondered what these things are
The bells?
They used to summon butterflies
is has that star on top
Do they still summon the Butterflies?
so it could be sonething else
The star is prob deco...
yeah
The cloud ppl put stars on everything...
the ony place where we dont see the bells is in wasteland and vault if i remember correctly
Prob
that star is actually the king’s symbol 
there’s lots of king propaganda around the world of sky
counting all the king propaganda around the realms is gonna probably take forever if we do 
itd be worse if we counted diamond propaganda heehee
Are we gonna classify the round darkness plants as a new species?
@teal orbit about this, im pretty sure those are only exclusive to halloween in the office, which is why they are pumpkin shaped
I like the small detail of the unseen part of the mask
@teal orbit about this, im pretty sure those are only exclusive to halloween in the office, which is why they are pumpkin shaped
@desert sun i mean the ones in the shipwright memory trail in prairie
There are more of them in forest as well
Their leaves are completely round and except for the color and the darkness dust, they look completely different from most darkness plants
ohhh i remember what you mean
Just to be clear, im not talking abt the pumpkins in office
like the darkness that grows in the underground cave in forest?
on that one door activation diamond?
yea yea i know that one
actually, ill go relive it right now bc my mind is making theories on it
They look like concept darkness plants right?
why do i feel like skids would form sleep piles from 4-5 skids if they did sleep
holdup lemme draw
I mean they did die in piles
Also in the pic we can see a lightning strike down there
Anything related to it?
ehhh tried colouring em
It’s so cute
if i'm not mistaken, this isn't #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat
Either way that's cUTE
ehhh tried colouring em
@fast jasper ngl i was thinking of a dog-pile of snoring skykids
technically they can do that
Lore child came and wake all of em up with theories while screaming

i saw something “alif, current mood is alef” reblogged on tumblr: https://alif-alef-foxzei.tumblr.com/post/634120192718503936/prismatic-bell-jenniferrpovey#notes
and that bit
The notion that technology is a steady upward climb of “progress” is, itself, part of a Eurocentric historical narrative revolving around the tacit teleological assertion that Western European civilisation represents the culmination and endpoint of history.
time to rethink sky’s entire thesis on technology and progress now that i know technology going up couldnt possibly equal progress going up
but like, the realms going from the mined forest to the thriving valley of triumph to the war-torn wasteland and excluding vault (which is literally a storage for future generation to learn, mistakes being one) everything goes downhill from there... hmm
“so the techcnology from the diamond nerfed the civilization rather than advancing it?” maybe … but gotta tweak it
If ur talking about the stars from the intro cutscene, those are not winged lights
It was referring to the elders
Tink they still are somewhat
But nah
It’s been pretty much distinguished that there is a difference between skykids and elders (so much so I doubt there’s much of a genealogical connection)
And the winged lights are very connected to the skykids in some way
If WLs are the bridge between then I can’t really see why
And if the WLs were designated as stars in the same way Elders are I bet that’s what it would communicate
the lore doc said WLs are imprints?
maybe the wls are memories. and the statues are the prince. the prince shattered into past skykids who go to eden over and over to fix this mess but repeatedly fail, so their souls break away and became wls.
bc we’re variation of these skykids we’re compatible with containing these wls, but in the end we have to give it back to the past skykids
“return light of the fallen” the prince has fallen
“wake up my child and bring these lost stars home” in a sense skykids are the prince’s children, more like reincarnation
'Fallen' may just be a fancy way to name the dead however. Perhaos those to whom we return the light are simply failed to be reborn, and essentially it is our task to solve it.
they could be pure light or memories or smthn since we absorb them for flappy things

or we just kidnap them and they’re constantly trying to run away from us and the krills help them escape
or we just kidnap them and they’re constantly trying to run away from us and the krills help them escape
all they doing is standing on one place, no matter how many times we kidnap them

What i belive that winged lights are just the imprints/memories of the Prince as he himself explored the whole Kingdom. That's why they are the same height as a skid since some say that we are the reincarnation of the Prince and that he was the same size as us
what if the prince was the first child of light before us?
Isn't there a theory saying that the Prince is The child of light?
also iirc the eye of eden is written as 'give the lights to the fallen'
which mwan wls are the fallen's?
Isn't there a theory saying that the Prince is The child of light?
there is
But we aren't sure that those statues in eden and winged light are connected in some way?
Maybe we just give them our winged light as a source of light which frees them from darkness and sets then free
Hm they can be stars
Also, pay attention that , us skykids are also fallen from the sky, right?
And the text says "return the light to the fallen"
Or maybe somthing different
i kinda believed those statues are former generation of skids-
Yep, me too
No we are sent down to save our ancestors
Sort of , a failed generation
there are 3 kind of statues in eden
hang on lemme quote my thesis of it from former chat

Sent down from the sky is pretty much similar to fallen from the sky ig
No we are sent down to save our ancestors
@rapid juniper
Hm they are sky kids maybe they failed to bring the light back
Yeah, and then another generation, i.e. , us was sent down
Cool
can't wait for tommorow
So youre saying that We are the 4th and the 1st successful generation. Great observation, sounds interesting:)
But why would they fail to create the right creature 3 times
When they knew eden is a mess
The failing part is actually accurate enough
Cuz you can't make sth perfect immediately
You need to create prototypes and test them out, in this case sending them straight to Eden
Children prototypes oof
megan 
Yeah, we are sort of machines anyways, we were "designed" by the megabird
Conclusion, megabird was a bad designer
i have been thinkin or some add ons :
1st generation (bare-shattered statues) : they might be succesful on ascend (their spirit already gone) but they cant be reborn again
2nd generation (blue crystal statues) : their spirit somehow stuck on their stone body, unabling them to ascend
3rd generation (blue line statues) : this generation are more durable than former generations, proofed by their location after pnr. They cant find way to ascend by themselves, but they are not forever stuck like the 2nd generation
so basically
first can ascend but cant be reborn, 2nd cant even ascend, 3rd can ascend but need outer help
4th can ascend and can be reborn
As i keep saying,
When i say summin, most ppl say no
2 weeks later, they say
Oh... u were right
Anyways, more skids
Means more scientific names...
Huh...
Thats new
Ok first we make the name for the round darkness plant
Then we make the names for skids 1,2,and 3
Yes
How abt catydas cascus
Genus of an existing species goes first, then the latin of an adjective that describes it
Idk i think i got it wrong
Its supposed to be a parasitic plant...
Its in the scientific name doc
Cascus seem cool?
Old, ancient, stuff like that
Cuz it resembles concept art darkness plants
Ok gtg
Plz dm me with adjectives to describe skids ver. 1,2 and3
Remember...
Dm plz
@hushed steeple
Why do we need such fancy names tho
Ikr just call it funny rememberable names
i believe the script is that they shatter when we approach
Ikr just call it funny rememberable names
"Round darkness" is easier to remeber than "catydas cascus" imo , 😂🤡, but it's okay, a fun little thing 👍
I still think the krill were built
Mostly because of the noises they make
But also because I haven't seen another creature with a spotlight eye
yall aint Vault inside the big mountain we see in every realm during our journey ?!?
possibly, Lilla
/yess very possible
The wall of text I sent yesterday(?), I said vault was next Eden and that was a mistake 
But even if so, it would definitely be destroyed/collapsed if it was inside the mountain/below Eden
So someone must have activated the holograms and such before that? Possibly?
ehm that is eden I think and the palace is on top
yes, it is very much true
because essentially we climb in eden, it's quite rocky as the main area itself
since i oob a lot i know (as many others) that the mountain is closest in the GW starting area its has ever been during our journey to storm
we only enter the palace after the krills and the corruption, revealing the beauty that was preserved inside
the mountain is visible in the realms above the clouds
prairie and valley I think
correct me if I'm wrong
The golden wastelands castle in the end- is the door into the vault- the enterance to the magical mountain
they shielded it so that the vault would remain clean of any darkness
yes but if you have ever oobed above clouds in GW the mountain and storm is closest it has ever been
well yes, since it's above the clouds that's the point
you can't discern it below them
/hmmm maybe the oob is something that's put there, and not nesscarily canon
what do you mean?
Idk I just feel like vault was destroyed when Eden exploded
Cute it's so dream like and everything the higher you go
the mountain isn't visible below the clouds in any point
if you oob above them you can see it
... i- go look yourself, the mountain is just there - very much close to us
yes?
can you see it from the first area of wasteland WITHOUT oobing?
/yea i think
i m just saying that we are closer the mountain than in the prairie
the mountain is visible in the realms above the clouds
@past mountain replying to this
Also someone said they OOB in vault and could see a moon in there
when we leave Valley and head on our way to Wasteland social, we can see the Eden mountain in the distance
it's there but we can't see it if we're below the clouds
because the mountain itself is above them
and when you oob in wasteland social, you see the mountain above the clouds
i always thought that the light in the vault oob could be the light from the top
I mean the first area of the wasteland, where you can head to the ark
can you see it there?
Broken Temple ?
exactly
I mean from the ground not the oob
i don’t believe so
but there’s not exactly a point to putting it there
thé cloud cover is such that you wouldn’t even be able to see it
yes that's what I'm trying to explain all this time
you cannot go above the broken temple clouds
the starting area = social space
I thought the social space is taken for granted
the point is
concepts aren’t canon
can you see the mountain from the broken temple area?
that's what I'm trying to say all this time
Basically, if the devs put that detail in even though we can't see it from a normal gameplay, I believe it has a chance of being canon
Because why'd you put effort for sth no one sees?
Except like, the old prairie oob, idk why it's still in game but yknow
what exactly isn't understandable here
at most you can see the wasteland temple and after that it’s fog
well I think the old prairie is just a file remnant
@past mountain i meant the oob, not what you can see from "normal gameplay" - in the social space NOT broken temple
Ya get whay I'm tryna say tho right?
sometimes things just
cant be removed from a game
because everything breaks
and i’m betting that’s why beta prairie is still there 
im just trying to explain
I believe it has a chance of being canon
im not
and I specified the fact that I'm talking abt the broken temple many times
we're on the same page

i told you before you even commented about broken temple that i was talking about starting area
and told you i meant social space with that one
I was providing an example that the mountain is not visible from beneath the clouds
you started the conversation asking if the mountain essentially the vault
and I attached some info to that
jen what does the / mean 
just a style to comment i think
I see
/ ||used to be the wl symbol '\ * /'||
ohh that's cool
I'm quite new to this chat even though I'm generally interested in lore, so 
/so
/i was thinking
/part of vault was chopped of
/the summit was chopped of
im intrigued to try and oob in GW more
i think the vault is the mountain we go up and storm is on the top
so only the summit was chopped off?
or some other floors as well?
that would explain why we see the vault elder space/summit right before orbit
but in a different state...
I was thinking maybe in eden we see how the vault evolved with the passage of time
and we travel in time rather than in space
it's too extended though
not quite a valid theory
Or maybe vault is a part of the eden?

yeah because I can't find any other explanation for why the elder space is visible from the top of the palace
but in a different state and so close
the summit in vault seems endless
also oobing from the ending space with doors to eden/storm and home space - we can see the lightning and rocks are indeed there
Off topic but why does the point of no return cave disappear after going through?
also the elder cutscene vault oob is below the door place - under the space
so that would suggest it's very very high in the summit?
@neat fractal oh my that question-
yes i think the vaults top is also the mountain top and we exit the mountain to the stairs that take you to storm
yes that could be so
but the question remains... why can we see the vault elder space with all the statues from the top of eden, but in a different state? why does it appear so close, yet the top of eden itself isn't visible from the vault summit?
they’re different statues entirely, probably
they’re much much larger than the vault summit ones
that could also be yes
i see it as a throne room
considering how big they are, the elders could probably sit comfortably on them
so the top of eden, essentially the throne room (my interpretation) was also where the elders would meet?
oh hehe we have the same theory
didn't see it while typing
so uh maybe in the vault, they tried to replicate the throne room
so as to remind them of eden's forsaken glory?
vault all eders oob is so cute
or it would serve as the council of elders after the prince/king became corrupted
imo the shrines we see around the game aren’t actually there
the « true shrines » are the ones in eden
yes maybe the elders themselves didn't actually reside in the temples
they didn’t, thats canon
/so did it like, connected us to the eden one?
the temples are just places that were important to them
i think that elder cutscenes dont actually happend in the realms end - its like completely different place from that
@neat fractal oh my that question-
@past mountain interesting question yet no answers
have either of you read the canon doc ?
yes
yes
maybe it’d help to review it
that's where my theory came from I just forgot it was actually in the doc
this matter is imo the most vague one
abt vault and eden
/sooo i have been playing in spanish and i know 0 spanish so everything in game has been gibberish to me
Race down the ridge, and the city gates will open to honor you
/honor???
they open once you finish the race to celebrate you?? words hard
Jen you've been playing in Spanish the whole time? 
That sentence was always there, and I think since it used to be a race, it honors that you participated/competed in the race since valley is all about the races and sports iirc
yeah it has been there from the old beta I think
Do you guys think that we will get a mindblowing trial tomorrow
Yes-
So is there like a whole story to how the ark crashed and how the people on it died?
No? I don't think so-
there is a bit of one
the trailer & teaser explain that the spirits were « searching for prosperity » but crashed in a storm iirc
was a krill involved?
Ohh, im gonna go check it out thanks
it’s unconfirmed, Rei
idk if I remember right, but wasn’t there also a krill near the forgotten ark?
oh and what are like, the theories?
sadly i am not a theory encyclopedia
personally i haven’t really gotten to enchantment yet, my theories are still in development regarding...
other things
oki, well thanks anyway!
Maybe the gates are opening to honor us because we're the only ones who bring any sort of life to the city in the past long time
Possibly,
We bring the spirit of competition, the joy of wooshing, and the thrill of victory with us
more like the joy of being smashed by wind and forced to keep moving forward

im still loving valley for taht dw
Prob the magic in valley thinks we r competitors...
The magic doors
Gates
Or...
The gates could be recognizing a piece of alef as it comes at them
And they open in our honor
Well technically we activated them by lighting the white candles and then sitting down in front of the doors
But what do they mean that if we race down, the city gates will open?
Oh wait I'm dumb they meant the other door-
Yeah actually, the last door where it pumps out fireworks everyday as the gold doors open
This open automatically, like the doors in earth trial with the green diamond (not counting the first big door where it floats up)
But, if those are the city gates, they actually are opening Before we race down.
But the text says that "race down and the city gates will open to honor you"
But that's not a city door
I think that the main colonies in valley are ones we see in both the races
But, if those are the city gates, they actually are opening Before we race down.
Wdym? Which gates?
I mean the gates of the before-race room
Ooh oki
I think the "city doors" are just another way of saying the doors to the temple(?) where the fireworks go off
Since that's exactly what it does, opening in honor of you racing down
So the city gate is actually the temple gate?
Or maybe the city gates open when u start the race...
Cuz the place is magic
And if u start the race the stadium knows...
Maybe...
Anyways
Guys... the skid versions..
If they start before we even race the sentence/statement doesn't make sense
The first skids: lutum pulvis
Second skids: lutum pessima
Third skids: lutum ignis
Us: lutum spiritus
Do u guyd like these?
Imma be honest with ya Pyre
Giving everything scientific names just makes everything much more harder and is there a purpose to giving them these names?
If they start before we even race the sentence/statement doesn't make sense
@neat fractal
So when the first gates open to let u start the race... u know that super long cutscene right? When that happens, the city gates open to honor u... when u come
And the scientific names r for fun
If u dont like it, dont talk abt it
I didn't say I didn't like it, I was just asking

And the sentence was "Race down the ridge, and the city gates will open to honor you" after the 2 doors at the beginning open before you go down
Huh...
That's why it doesn't make sense if those 2 doors were the city gates, since it told us that after those opened
No... thats jot wut i said...
But i guess wut i WAS saying was wrong too... srry.. cant italicize
The city gates could just open while we r sliding...
Cuz magic
Sidenote, these statues' faces gave me nightmares, no wonder the ones in eden had none 🗿🗿
i think they're cute
The city gates could just open while we r sliding...
@teal orbit then tell me, what gate is opening while we slide down? Cuz literally there's only two big doors that open, the beginning and end, we both see those cutscenes that we can't skip
If I owned eden, I too, would have their heads go sWOOSH
Nite, u know that large gate u fly thru when u go into the stadium? Do they have doors?
Which stadium

At the end
The ampitheater you enter after the race?
Yesyes that
Yea
You're saying before this gates?
And where exactly are the city gates do you mean in there? Other than the big main one that shoots out fireworks
Ummm
Aaaaaah by brain is so tied rn...
The huge arch?
Yknow that one?
Doesn't that have doors?
In the cutscene (when u go to the stadium OOB) it does,,
I need pictures, cuz I really don't get where you're comin at
Race down the ridge dud...
I know that
I meant picture of the "gates" you keep insisting about
Im not a screenshot connoisseur dud...
Oh my God I'm-
You don't have to be a connoisseur to take a simple hekin screenshot
There is a reason its not in my roles...
Plus its personal stuff
I cant go into sky on command
For reasons i dont rlly wanna talk abt
im heading to valley rn, which race does it appear on pyre?
Bith
k
Both
Then you could have said I can't go on sky rn!
I don't need your personal life or whatever

That
seems like things are getting a little heated. please remember to stay respectful of each other
if you find yourself feeling frustrated, it may be a good idea to take a step back for a moment 
Okie
There is this plave where the races meet... if u keep sliding, u go thru this arch and a cutscene starts...
That arch prob has doors
And thats prob the city gate...
This pyre?
Apolagies Chirch, but can you take a closer look at the arc in the middle? No need for pictures, just tell me if there's a door or gate or anything similar on it?
Yea... if there is a gate, thats the city gate... if it diesnt it the temple gate...
So many typos
If it doesnt, the city gate is the temple gate
Yup and this "conversation" was all for nothing
i-
I'm very sorry you're witnessing this Chirch, I think I have trouble with my anger, idk but I'd rather keep it to lore here
why do i feel like there has been a misunderstanding
Is that mid-ascension?
That's like, before you fly straight up to bonk the spirits yeah?
Ohhhh
Ah, the top of vault but broken edition
I think that's probably broken off pieces of the castle
Yeah the disney castle blew up and those r prob the shards
Oh, that could explain the random castle piece floating mid air just above this part
If u look at the bottom of the floating bit there's sharp edges
Yeah yeah
Yall remember my theory that resh came to his snses and a smol part of alef remaining inside him wanted to end the rain of terror and so he blew up eden and his mech?
Reign
Rain lol
Oh the rock rain rofl
I mean, they could possibly fit but there's still bits of it broken off from both ends
Oh yes forest rain too
what if the rocks storms are chunks of the destroyed castle?
Yeah
/yea
Lol
Srry first thing that comes to mind when we say slash
Same as ice kreb when u say boop
Wut does an ice kreb do?
Ohhhh so its not a frozen kreb...
Ok folks gtg imma sneep now bye
snorp! 
welp, i gotta do sliding race again since last time i was too focused on getting that pic 
Sorry again Chirch
its alright ^^;
That's the clock that shows what time a rainbow appears in forest@hushed steeple
Ohhh I always wondered what that is for-
how do you guys think the rhythm troupe died?
Hey, so near that cave at the forgotten ark (with the wl) there’s these rows of dirt that look like theyve been dug up before. Are those the graves of the enchantment spirits? Or perhaps an unsuccessful attempt at growing fruits or vegetables?
But there’s no water...
Except inside the cave nearby
And there’s no way to get the water to the beds
Could be that there used to be water there
But I think they’re too big to be dug graves
guys i just understood a thing
Every ream in sky it is an atmospheric condition of the sky:
Isle Is clear Sky
Praire Is Sunny
Forest Is rainy
Valley Is snowy
Wasteland are Hurricanes
Voult is night Sky
||Eden Is stormy||
I think I understand why some people think krills used to be good
The mural paintings are in gold when they portray light creatures
Like the children of light
Here’s a golden krill though
So I agree with this theory they got corrupted
This boat has really interesting paintings. I said previously the game separated golden light creatures, that still communicated with nature and were overall good, and dark, corrupted beings. And we somehow are a combination of that. (It’s odd that the concept art placed the elders on the corrupted side though. They probably played a huge role in Sky’s downfall)
In the Isle of Dawn, we see people who are kneeling, most likely praying
Eventually (maybe their prayers were answered, even by the megabird who knows?) stars fell from the sky. They seemed surprised but please
They grabbed those stars (from the Isle of Dawn to other realms?) and brought them for others to see
On the ship, we can see that people, with a higher rank possibly due to them wearing masks, have the ability to transform stars in something else, most likely energy or a precious resource
This one is interesting too, the “balls” they made out of the stars seem to be able to open and liberate something. We can see the air symbol. Maybe they used the power of those stars to control the weather etc ?
Then we can see them, bringing those newfound powers/stars to Eden in the cave of prophecy. The color of the star is the one of air in the trials, which further confirms that they could control elements with those powers. Now why they brought them to Eden, I don’t know? But it looks like a volcano, were they planning to drop them inside?
The one leading has a mask, and so do the ones holding the star, so it must be an important ritual.
I think that what’s depicted on the last picture never happened; it was what was supposed to happen. Hence why it’s depicted in the “cave of prophecies”
Instead, the ship fell due to a violent storm. What I find interesting is that the contents of the ship don’t appear to be falling, they may be still in there somewhere.
This is the one part I can’t explain. They opened the “balls” and fireworks came out? They couldn’t have sacrificed their entire civilisation and kingdom to learn how to make kingdom. Maybe it’s just a way to show that these round things was a form of technology to them
may i say my theory about the mural on the ark?
Of course!
So i think it actually tells the story of how the enchantment spirits. people found out how to make spells and contain them, then sent some people to go to another land and possibly sell these, until they were intercepted by a storm or a krill, and were stranded in the wasteland. so basically the story of how the ark and spirits got into the state they are in now
I agree with the spell part. After all, spirits are the ones selling us spells such as fireworks, that would explain why they are using firework on the ark murals. Spirits could make a lot of things (hence the spells we use), but do you think they sell them? It doesn’t really explain why they’d go to Eden with those
what exactly makes you think they went to eden?
That image in the cave of prophecy
There is the same “mountain” in the intro that is used to represent Eden
Eden also has a “volcano” light erupts from that you can see from every realm, I just assumed that was it
quite possibly, but the two seasons dont seem all that connected to me. These could be entirely different people, and i think the colored lights represent the elements that the prophets use
although they do both use elements
I agree, I think we should assume all symbols are different
I mean that if they’re drawn differently we shouldn’t assume they’re the same. It’s probably something else, I wonder what
perhaps we’ll find out some more lore once we get to the trial of fire tomorrow!
Yep!
I have a thought. Ancestors were temporary, but they left a lasting imact. We seem to be perminant, but the work we do is erased (plants grow back). The only lasting impact we have is when we work with ancestors.
@short owl when do we work with ancestors?
Ah i see, I’ve never fulfilled all of their wishes so I never saw what it ended up doing
Bringing the memory of ringing bells to sanc
Ok so I was in the cave but I noticed two murals that are the same now I don’t know if someone already said this but I believe some people asked some sort of wish from the elders as they’re usually high up and that’s what we see here
And then those people get their wish and the elders reveal to them about what kind of lands these new elements are in
But I don’t know more from there
But we do know that these two are the same judging from that mountain structure which is actually found before you get to the caves
i read from the canon sky lore that in "There’s what appear (may be something else entirely) to be two krill horns from an oversized krill (megakrill if you will) embedded right where the shipwreck is snapped in half (note: krill horns appear to be spiky all around but these things zigzag instead)"
I went to look for it but i didnt find anything that could remind me of krill horns?
So maybe there is/will be a new krill !!!
oh no fear
tho theres a king manta thing and a king jellyfish thing so all we need is a king crab and king krill
elder krill 
AHHHH
Does anyone has the pic of Eden Elder? 
Eden elder???
Nah dude I doubt there's a pic of it
If you consider the King to be the Eden elder, then there are some pics from the concept art, but that character is not directly seen in the game, except for maybe in the mural for Eden that we see in the Vault ending cutscene
Got an idea while going to eden that maybe the light childs we encounter are the spirit of the childs that failed the ascension to the eden's peak and in the point that we as players are reborn, an actual light child would go into one of the relams to give strength to other childs in their journey at the start middle or the last bit of strength at the no return point.
And the real question is what lies beyond the Eden's peak
side note got oof in the pic xd
so lemme get this straight
The WL we encounter in Eden are skykids that have failed the ascension past Eden into Orbit, and that the goal of skykids is to give WL to the darkened skykids (statues) to continue their journey?
hmmmm
And then the lil part after that when you reunite with the light could be like another Skykid giving your statue a WL
Kinda yeah like orbit would be failing the ascension so u become a statue in eden and a light child that helps another child to be stronger and return yourself kinda to your statue so u can finish the trip
The credits could be like maybe the real ascension we reborn before the end

I always kind of got the impression from the game that there is currently a great war raging (rather than the war being a thing of the past), and that we are warriors.
The story to me is pretty straight forward, if not difficult to put into words, if you take reincarnation theory into consideration. The fire inside of my skykid is the same fire inside of yours, we heal each other, we share it, we pass it on and we keep it alive, but it must've been forged somewhere..
The Darkness sort of, to me, looks like ash. It's absolutely congruent with destruction, and we see corrupting everything from the water to the ferocity of the wind to the hostility of the creatures, such as the krill. Burning fire leaves ash behind...
I always thought our goal in Eden was to give light to the darkened skykids who have died in Eden before us
Hurg?
Incheresting...
The war would be very passive and immaterial then
Immaterial to us, but perhaps in another plane, or realm, it rages.
This idea is given to me by one of the spirits (I forget which one!!) who is brought light, but not before taking a manic stab at the space in front of him and collapsing.
hurg?
When they die, they don't die, they're sent back to the physical realm, which is a descent.. there are probably a few different levels to ascend to, that we'll never experience because we aren't natural denizens there.
Hmmmm
(Elders?)
Yeah I thought you were talking about Dusk Elder rn
When they, the elders, die? They're sent to the physical realm?
So the physical realm is what they mean by above the clouds?
Hmm. Okay, so it's like (in my head, not claiming canon or anything)
There's the actual physical realm, our realm.
There's the Sky Kingdom, where our skykids are, which I'll call the corporeal realm, because our realm doesn't seem to really matter to them at all ||aside from the office, but that's just a really cool easter egg.||
Then there's Orbit, which I feel is a sort of in-between area for the realm the War is taking place in, which is spilling out into Eden due to forces of darkness trying to corrupt the corporeal realm.
There are tiers of ascension, and we're like the medics bringing light through to Orbit so that the elders and other spirits partaking in the fight can be healed. Their spirits are tied to something in the corporeal realm that helps them return to the kingdom if they are completely devastated,
which is why/how we can revive them via statues. But their main battlestations are just above Orbit.
Imma be suffering trying to avoid spoilers
I’ll talk with you all once I’ve done Fire Trial
Is it out already?
Also morning ya'll
morn
no need to spoiler tag things here 
Wuts a hurg?
And isnt orbit just space?
And sky lore is like rlly rlly similar to wh40k canon... prob the darkest and most violent fictional universe ever to be created...
Im not gonna go into specifics to not get off topic and cuz this server is child friendly
Dm me for more on this
I want to ask though
Remember how there is a mural in sanctuary depicting Wasteland Elder (?) yeeting the king
Yea~~~ its tsadi not daleth
I was wondering if all Elders lived in the castle that we see in Orbit
Hmmm
And since my headcanon is that the King and the Star are like... connected
Wuts the star?
The Star destabilized itself when the King suffered great injury and well... the hurricane in the Eden realm happens
So the star is eden?
Ohhhh the siper doamond...
I mean again, that is my headcanon
Well you gain only becoming a child without light
???
why were the messages deleted fghjk
Ok orion, my head canon is the same, but the king intentionally blew the diamond up to destroy eden, his seat of power, and his mech cuz a smol part of him was still good and alef not resh... so when it took control, it was like what have i done? So like our headcanons r the same... kinda...
But why would he intentionally blow up his own creation
Wasn't the king like... obsessed with giving sustenance to Mama Bird
Cuz he grew a conscience and alef took over... and he wanted his reign of terror to stop
Like vader
Huh
Guys we're gonna have to refrain from using the fanon names of the Elders- to avoid confusion, we'll have to use <realm> Elder name in place of it
Why Viridi?
yeah fanon names always confused me
Krill came in the other week to tell us that iirc
Krill? Right KTJN set their nick to Krilltjn for the holiday
Yeye
Rlly? We r not allowed to used fanon names any more?@queen locust
I memorized them...
Noooooooooooo
thé devs can tear the fanon names out of my cold dead hands
the names are very cool but somehow them having no names but Elder of the ____ feels more godly idk why
It's not like we're not allowed I think- just that it confuses a lot of newcomers, idk if that was it- it's been weeks and I don't even remember if I ate last night
Just thought I'd put the reminder up there
cant someone putthe fanon names in the pins?
technically they’re there, in the theory vault
Plus Bricky's lore moff doc-
lore moff doc isn’t pinned 😔
Hello there sparkle sparkle
jk jk, partials are finally done
lore moff doc isn’t pinned 😔
@lethal stump so is the scientific name doc 😦
not allowed is too harsh... seems like they only tell us to 'not always do that'
to avoid confusion for lore moff at least
oh, I really did miss on stuff, huh?
stay tuned for the Fire Trial because I'm already hearing this chat rising from the dead with the Lion King intro playing in the background
oh
o h
I forgot it's finally available tomorrow 
what
laughs in 12 hours ahead
I-
hey folks!!! updates on the scientific name doc!!!!

come check it out
whats new:
*scientific names for earlier attempts to make skids by megan
*round darkness plants with no spikes, blossoms, or stems
Wait a sec did I miss something or- how are you certain that there's been this many generations of skids
eden
No, really- yes those were likely skids but why are there four generations?
No idea
gen1: those turn to dust
gen2: blu uns with spikes
gen3: the duds we save
gen4: us
based on speculation
that one'
since we can't actually be sure of almost anything ;;
yea...
it's a good theory tho
even megan is speculation
ye
I was about to jump and defend momma Megan, but yeah, that's true
._.
does anyone have a pic of the prince?
i might hav one in my cam roll gimme a sec
yay!!!
child shaped pupil holy-
does anyone else see it?
what
this ?
the more you know (or what is learn-?)
I am confusion, I am new to sky's lore
Welcome to the lore chat then Marzi XD
thank you lol
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can't wait to be confused
Good cuz that's pretty much our perpetual mood-
i knew roughly about the megabird at least so I'm not like completely completely out of the loop but like
wow so much lore I didn't know about
holup--- the kings a mech???
Ye- that's a thing that we talk about a lot- a gigantic King mech powered by an Eden Diamond and is used for giving krills belly rubs lmao
huh
the vault elder and forest elder are related??? wait-
thats crazy but i guess it explains why its so big 
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