It also looks like home portal was kinda rushed? Or quickly put together and stuff?
Like its just 3 long rocks stacked together while the realm portals look well crafted for their respective elder/realm
#lore-discussion-spoilers
neat fractal
short owl
Or like it was maybe built as a proof of concept
neat fractal
And painted, I think, Idk what the blue marks on the realm portals are
short owl
Those tend to be plain
solar relic
maybe home gate isn't in the shape of a candle because we have the candle 
bitter shale
wait wrong picture
i meant this one
the floating rocks looks aranged into a staircase
solar relic
looks kinda like they were flying up/gravity happened to work on the debris like that and then time stopped
neat fractal
Just the material and buildings are stopped? So living things aren't affected?
bitter shale
are we even considered as living thing anyway
fast jasper
everything that looks alive
solar relic
i feel like it's a grey area
kinda like how ai can act human although they are man-made
bitter shale
imagine if we actually photosynthesis tho-
fast jasper
sun is food
fast jasper
a d s o r b
hushed steeple
we didnt eat, we didnt breath
@bitter shale we only need light to survive
I mean we die when we have no light left
neat fractal
And at the same time we're also light-
fast jasper
we eat candles
tough path
so the spirits and sky kids... they’re not the same species, are they?
can sky kids technically even grow up to look like them?
or are they just stuck in that endless cycle of death and rebirth?
is taking winged light to eden and being reborn literally like their purpose for existing?
neat fractal
I think spirits have their own children like we see in the spirit memory at ice rink, valley
But i don't think spirits and sky kids are the same
vocal flume
@tough path yeah, basically just dying to save 63 people and then a bunch more gets lost again and it repeats
tough path
what are these?
frail hearth
whales
undone harbor
Whales
undone harbor
Just
Floating around
tough path
now that i look at it, i see there’s a lot of sea creatures floating around everywhere
undone harbor
They take our light when impact in orbit
But in wasteland or forest they do no damage at all
And they're not the hostile type
tough path
huh? you can interact with them? And theyre in those areas?
i just saw one around the wasteland social space and in the sea at sanctuary islands
undone harbor
You well..can't
When the ones in wasteland and forest fly at you they just phase through
And the one in orbit
It
Takes our light when it hit us
tough path
where exactly do they appear?
undone harbor
Which one?
undone harbor
They're in:
Underground forest
The cloud space between valley and wasteland
Orbit
Idk the one in sanctuary is a whale or not,some people say no
short owl
If you get hit by the big thing, in Orbit you lose your flaps
tough path
ohh ok
frail hearth
the big thing in sanctuary is an elder manta
undone harbor
Ah ok
short owl
Anyone else think it looks likr a krill of light?
vestal crane
Ive seen some ppl discussing if krills, whales and elder manta are related or not
vast heron
solar relic
yeah i think elder mantas are corrupted krills
you see what looks like the elder manta come out from the prairie constellation in vault lvl 5 which represents gw 
but that's all i have as support for that theory
sly kestrel
They....don’t look alike and their size is way different
Elder mantas are elder mantas and krills are krills but
I don’t think they are the same, corrupted or not I don’t think it will change their whole entire species and shape
lethal stump
krills have 9 pairs of legs, elder mantas have 15 pairs of fins. so, yea, not the same at all
unless they lost 6 fins in the process 
fast jasper
probably
lethal stump
additionally, on the manta the fins get smaller as they go to the back, whereas krills have long middle legs and short front/back legs
rapid pollen
i just saw one around the wasteland social space and in the sea at sanctuary islands
@tough path thats not one of the whales
thats an elder manta
tough path
ye i see it now
rapid pollen
Naruto: The Last Skybender
open hill
about the elder manta, why does the elder vault mantas look so much more different than the elder manta in sanctuary.
tough path
so whats with that bird on the pedestal in front of valley citadel?
rapid pollen
about the elder manta, why does the elder vault mantas look so much more different than the elder manta in sanctuary.
@open hill there are no elder manta in vault
those mantas are Memory Mantas/Spirit Mantas
they were called back from death
to reside in the vault
open hill
i mean by the bigger spirit mantas thaat are in the 3-4 floor of the vault
rapid pollen
i mean by the bigger spirit mantas thaat are in the 3-4 floor of the vault
@open hill nop
those arent elders
they are quadwing mantas
where's te photo of them...
open hill
hmmm
vocal ore
hi, can i talk about a small detail that has been bothering me a bit?
rapid pollen
hi, can i talk about a small detail that has been bothering me a bit?
@vocal ore sure
talk away
vocal ore
The fact that Lamed has those mysterious black stains/scar on her face and that her eyes are always closed has been bothering me for awhile
That's some really odd details there, none of the other elders have it and we don't get any explanation
It could just be an aesthetic thing, but that's still really odd
An elder is a star, a form of light. Why would light have have black stains on it?
rapid pollen
oh uh her eyes arent closed
vocal ore
And if it's just an aesthetic thing, why make it look so specifically like stains/scars?
rapid pollen
thats just her eyes
vocal ore
Oh yeah i forgot about that part, but still
Those stains are something that the other elders doesn't have
do you think it's a hint at something? or am i just over thinking it?
rapid pollen
hes older
and wiser
so idk
my theory is that
wasteland is a wasteland
so its impossible to cross
protecting the vault from intruders
maybe before wasteland
Lamed was being constantly attacked
by thieves
tough path
oh yeah i was wondering why such a peaceful place like vault was after the second most dangerous part in the game
fallen epoch
Hey guys, I'm back. I felt really bad for the way I acted. not just when I started yelling, but the entire time in this chat I was being a real jerk, and I was presenting my thoughts and opinions as facts and shutting everyone's theory down. That's not who I want to be when I'm here so I'll be a lot nicer
Oh yeah, and I want more brick lore >:D
lethal stump
thats just her eyes
nah, they are closed. if they were open we’d see little white dots
short owl
You know, it's interesting that Lamed has the mask damage when Tsadi's mask looks fine
Especially given Tsadi's role
rapid pollen
Especially given Tsadi's role
@short owl given Tsadi's role he would probably get it repaired regularly
lethal stump
wouldnt lamed get theirs repaired quickly/easily too ?
rapid pollen
wouldnt lamed get theirs repaired quickly/easily too ?
@lethal stump not really
as I said before in my theory before
before 2x 😔
anway
he probably had to evacuate into teh vault
as wasteland became a wasteland
to rpotect the vault
lethal stump
i mean, they’re in quite the position of power. i’d expect a high scholar like lamed would have easy access to supplies or people to fix their mask
rapid pollen
and so he might've just not care
i mean, they’re in quite the position of power. i’d expect a high scholar like lamed would have easy access to supplies or people to fix their mask
@lethal stump not really
if my theory is true he'd be confined to vault
lethal stump
that doesn’t mean other people can’t come and go from the vault though
tough path
so this thing... is that supposed to be megabird or sth?
lethal stump
it’s likely megabird, that’s what most people assume
rapid pollen
that doesn’t mean other people can’t come and go from the vault though
@lethal stump doesn't it?
wasteland in my head
was designed to destroy anyone who entered
we get through cuz duh we're players
lethal stump
why design a massive death trap in the middle of a kingdom ?
rapid pollen
It's the only access point to Vault.
lethal stump
right next to a residential area ?
rapid pollen
Vault is of Knowledge
Vaults protect things
Wasteland is extra protection on the outside
Sorta like
a fortress
the walls and towers and turrets are wasteland
lethal stump
i don’t think one would need a fortress of that size for vault
rapid pollen
part 1
the middle part, with theguards
is the krills and stuff
all the rest of wasteland
then the innermost part
the vault itself
lethal stump
then whats with the boats and factories ? a death trap that was also an industrial port & factory area ?
rapid pollen
then whats with the boats and factories ? a death trap that was also an industrial port & factory area ?
@lethal stump i think that
when the king became corrupted
vault's safety came first
so the boats and stuff
was to evacuate everyone in wasteland
lethal stump
(no need to ping me every time)
rapid pollen
The Formation of Wasteland and it's Reasoning (My headcanon):
When the King was corrupted, the Vault's safety became paramount, as it held all the knowledge accumulated in the entire Sky Kingdom, or so we assume. To protect the knowledge, Golden Wasteland, or as I like to call it pre-corruption, Golden City (since it was industrial like NYC), was evacuated to be made into a living hell. Every spirit was sent to the boats and told to leave. Some didn't make it out in time. Mostly the rowboats but one or two main transport ships (shipwreck) also didn't make it. Teth, Tsadi and Lamed combined their building skills, knowledge of weaponry, and knowledge in general to create the krills. They are machines powered by a blue power diamond at the eye. Without it, krills are just husks. But, on the way to Wasteland, the power diamonds were corrupted by the forces of the King before he was trapped. When placed in the krills, they became sentient and evil. They broke free and began terrorizing Wasteland, inaverdantly doing their job and making Wasteland impossible to cross. Tsadi remained there as the last line of defense, ready to defend. Teth returned to Forest while Lamed returned to the Vault, slightly injured from one of the krills, hence his mask scars. He had no workshops in Vault, unable to repair them. Some spirits who survived the krills sought out Tsadi, and he taught them to take care of themselves in the new Wasteland, hence the mostly sneaky and defensive emotes. Forgotten Ark was mostly untouched, its ruins the same, the krills unable to go farther than the shore. The King's forces included krebbs, which were sent to assist the krills. The poisonous water was already polluted because of the industry there, and the realm was in a steady decline already, so it was OK with the elders to create a wasteland.
@lethal stump sorry for ping but that's my theory
muted bough
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rapid pollen
The Reason Isle of Dawn Has No Dark Plants (headcanon):
Daleth didn't plot against the corrupted King like the other elders so the Cor-King (corrupted king) didn't march through there. Simply that.
near moss
I would think that it's also because like.. it's the Isle of Dawn
It represents some level of light and birth
rapid pollen
yeah but
near moss
Daylight Prairie only has a very few dark plants and stuff
rapid pollen
daleth's elder face isnt no the eden gates
peak ore
wait what's the context cause isle of dawn have dark plants?
rapid pollen
wait what's the context cause isle of dawn have dark plants?
@peak ore its doesnt
near moss
In the cave to the right?
peak ore
to the left
rapid pollen
from enchantment right?
peak ore
what? the one with the normal spirit bellow the temple just underground
rapid pollen
what? the one with the normal spirit bellow the temple just underground
@peak ore oh yeah there are plants there
ohhhh
solar relic
valley has dark plants but in the temple
rapid pollen
yeha
near moss
Yeah in the hidden maze
rapid pollen
the maze yeah
near moss
hmm
rapid pollen
btw what I said by
peak ore
what's happening I almost have a existential crisis :v
near moss
So every area has dark plants some just have waay less than others
near moss
Daylight only has the very thin layer of it all
rapid pollen
Cor = corrupted
near moss
Dawn only has like 1
near moss
Valley has 3
rapid pollen
the questino is
peak ore
but sanctuary have the biggest... kinda
rapid pollen
who corrupted the King?
near moss
Oh shoot you're right
near moss
Daylight has the biggest one lol I forgot that was part of Daylight
King
self-corruption
solar relic
external corruption or internal corruption
rapid pollen
O-o
near moss
I say internal
near moss
Where did the darkness come from again?
near moss
I don't think it came from the King himself
near moss
Daleth was hunching over too
rapid pollen
Light cannot exist without darkness,
but the darkness must not be allowed to rise above the light
Daleth was hunching over too
@near moss yeah cuz he was old and DYING
near moss
huh
rapid pollen
daleth's the oldest
near moss
None of the other elders hunched over like him tho
rapid pollen
daleth was the first elder
rapid pollen
Yah
Maybe Isle
Since its an island
and it's not even in the clouds
the temple is tho
near moss
The temple is
rapid pollen
Maybe he self=isolated himself there.
rapid pollen
Maybe the King can only travel where there's cloud.
near moss
Oh that'd be interesting
near moss
hrng
rapid pollen
we smert
near moss
But in sanctuary the plants are surrounded by like zero clouds
rapid pollen
IDEA
Maybe the plants can only be in areas with light
As in
They are corrupted light
rapid pollen
Read my theory
near moss
and in the maze the whole point is dark
rapid pollen
The Formation of Wasteland and it's Reasoning (My headcanon):
When the King was corrupted, the Vault's safety became paramount, as it held all the knowledge accumulated in the entire Sky Kingdom, or so we assume. To protect the knowledge, Golden Wasteland, or as I like to call it pre-corruption, Golden City (since it was industrial like NYC), was evacuated to be made into a living hell. Every spirit was sent to the boats and told to leave. Some didn't make it out in time. Mostly the rowboats but one or two main transport ships (shipwreck) also didn't make it. Teth, Tsadi and Lamed combined their building skills, knowledge of weaponry, and knowledge in general to create the krills. They are machines powered by a blue power diamond at the eye. Without it, krills are just husks. But, on the way to Wasteland, the power diamonds were corrupted by the forces of the King before he was trapped. When placed in the krills, they became sentient and evil. They broke free and began terrorizing Wasteland, inaverdantly doing their job and making Wasteland impossible to cross. Tsadi remained there as the last line of defense, ready to defend. Teth returned to Forest while Lamed returned to the Vault, slightly injured from one of the krills, hence his mask scars. He had no workshops in Vault, unable to repair them. Some spirits who survived the krills sought out Tsadi, and he taught them to take care of themselves in the new Wasteland, hence the mostly sneaky and defensive emotes. Forgotten Ark was mostly untouched, its ruins the same, the krills unable to go farther than the shore. The King's forces included krebbs, which were sent to assist the krills. The poisonous water was already polluted because of the industry there, and the realm was in a steady decline already, so it was OK with the elders to create a wasteland.
@rapid pollen
Either has to be corrupted area
or has to be near something it can corrupt
near moss
In some areas there's so few darkness plants within the public society
No no i can move on from that I just wanna talk about plants more
Remember the Tearful Light Miner?
near moss
I don't really understand what happened with that spirit but I specifically remember there being darkness where a spirit used to lay
Hidden Forest, third area
rapid pollen
aight
near moss
And the graves often have darkness around them, right?
rapid pollen
Dunno i think so
near moss
You see it in the Hidden Forest a whole lot
rapid pollen
i just call it acid geez
near moss
kay dude sure
near moss
This is just a thing, but the spirits are all like the last memory of the ancestors, right?
rapid pollen
Nah i think it's just important moments in the spirits' lives leaving an imprint on the world
That's their last connection to the living
near moss
You'd wonder why there's not more of them, especially considering all the extra spirits you see when uncovering the memories anyways
I think that like
rapid pollen
They've long since passed
near moss
Darkness is the corpse of the spirits corrupted
broken basin
Oh that spirits got an interesting story. She and her 3 Friends went for mining in a cave, but when they entered, the cave got blocked, in the memories, you see them trying to break apart the rocks to escape, but 2 of them die by getting buried under falling rocks. Her last friend got corrupted by some darkeness that grew, and she was left alone. She made 3 makeshift graves for her friends and then , cried, then she must've died form dehydration or starvation soon enough.
rapid pollen
YEP
sick tide
Wait, if we are not the same species as the spirits, what are we, really? Is it possible that we are animated dolls (which would make sense why we don’t have faces) that were created as an extension the spirits needed?
I don’t know if there’s any real symbology behind the 63 statues, it could just be a small representation of the multitude of the people who need saving. So, when we “die,” we aren’t actually dead. We just crumble like some gollum and they make a new one
rapid pollen
Wait, if we are not the same species as the spirits, what are we, really? Is it possible that we are animated dolls (which would make sense why we don’t have faces) that were created as an extension the spirits needed?
I don’t know if there’s any real symbology behind the 63 statues, it could just be a small representation of the multitude of the people who need saving. So, when we “die,” we aren’t actually dead. We just crumble like some gollum and they make a new one
@sick tide 63 statues in eden exactly O-O
near moss
Mhm
rapid pollen
Two i mean we do have faces
near moss
That's the thing I think we turn into a statue once we fall to darkness
and that all those winged light statues are just fallen skykids from before, trapped and unable to be reborn
Our purpose is to bring as much light as possible to eden, right?
sick tide
YeH, I know there’s 63, I’m just saying that number could be any number at all
But what’s the real purpose of us being sent there, multitudes of “people” just sent to their deaths only to repeat the cycle
near moss
Mhm
broken basin
@sick tide i think we are made of clay or stone and are like empty vessels that gst filled with light. We were sent to the kingdom by the megabird for only 1 motive, to re-unite the Elders with our light. At least that's what i believe
near moss
To send more and more skykids to Orbit
I think at least
try to get everyone back to the home of the elders
With the memories of the ancestores
I think we are made of clay too
Or wax or something
Like a statue
sick tide
That’s what I’m thinking. More golem less human
sick tide
Hahaha yesssss. Which, I mean, you can have all sorts of golems
broken basin
Also, dont take mass number of objects/people either in the game or in murals too seriously or literally, they are usually just used to represent a big group, and don't have any Particular reason behind the number.
near moss
mhm mhm mhm
I always consider the 63 statues of eden to just represent like random skykid corpes
sick tide
Big agree. I think the statues are more an implication than a gospel
near moss
They just appear in the same spot because why wouldn't they i don't want to have to find random boyos everywhere lol
sick tide
That’s a whole mood
near moss
But yeah!
So that's my theory on the plants and such, they represent the corrupted memories of the spirits from before, and that's why there's so few Spirit memories in comparison to like what we know
And like huge mushroom piles are like the corpse piles
sick tide
Idk. I don’t see my character as relating much to the spirits. We always are....... more simple? In everything. Like we’re a doll that someone tried to make look as close as possible. We’re Sky’s American Girl dolls. Close, but..... you can tell it isn’t the same
broken basin
What do you guys think all the elders are doing here?👀
near moss
Have you seen that one tumblr post with like
Robots continuing on the history of humans?
Yeah we're like that
broken basin
oh wait i have to update it, they added vaUlt elder too
broken basin
On that mountain
viscid coyote
@sick tide we are everything less human
near moss
ohhhh
sick tide
I’m like, super not sure what any of anything means lol
near moss
Yeah i thought they'd be there
i remember seeing a theory that the trials determined the king
which is
interesting
I like how Samekh is balance it works with them
don't think the Daleth you have on there is Daleth tbh
Daleth isn't mentioned at all in the season anyways, you ever wonder why there are no quests in the Isle?
rapid pollen
but its there
near moss
But like it's interesting to me at least
sick tide
Also, why do Ayin and Samekh get boats and Tsadi and Teth don’t?
near moss
The silhouette of Daleth on there doesn't reallly remind me of that haha
Hmmmmmmm
I might be wrong th o
rapid pollen
I dont think that's what the murals mean but ok
near moss
think what
rapid pollen
The silhouette of Daleth on there doesn't reallly remind me of that haha
@near moss his lttile pointy head thing is the horns on the person
like idk
near moss
hmmmmmm
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near moss
Yeah i can see it i just dunno lol
broken basin
There are murals of isle elder too
Please this has been repeated many times, stop using daleth, ayin, etc, for elders. These are not canon and confuse any new ones here.
near moss
I've just joined the server lol
sick tide
I mean, I’m just referring to the picture when I say that
near moss
mhm i getcha
broken basin
They should be called ""realm" elder**"**
Yeah, i said, i have to edit that pic :'(
sick tide
But, if that is the realms as laid out, valley and prairie are the only ones saved
rapid pollen
in my head its like this
sick tide
And they’re the only ones currently potentially livable
rapid pollen
Isle is sea level
the temple is in the clouds, bottom level
it keep going up from there
valley it starts going down
wasteland you reach a hurricane
and get pulled either into clouds
or sea level
sea level most likely
since they have ports
near moss
yeah it's sea level in wasteland
rapid pollen
then from there vault is at sea level
sick tide
I hypothesized previously that Forest-valley-wasteland looks like ^
near moss
vault leads from sea level to the highest point in the land
rapid pollen
oh right
sick tide
And that there’s some impenetrable wasteland that even we can’t cross between forest and wasteland proper
near moss
Huh?
sick tide
So we go up to come back down at a reasonable angle so as to miss that part
near moss
wait but isn't valley a floating island?
sick tide
I personally believe that forest and wasteland are very close together, but it’s easier to get to the traversable part of wasteland by going up than across
rapid pollen
The Formation of Wasteland and it's Reasoning (My headcanon):
When the King was corrupted, the Vault's safety became paramount, as it held all the knowledge accumulated in the entire Sky Kingdom, or so we assume. To protect the knowledge, Golden Wasteland, or as I like to call it pre-corruption, Golden City (since it was industrial like NYC), was evacuated to be made into a living hell. Every spirit was sent to the boats and told to leave. Some didn't make it out in time. Mostly the rowboats but one or two main transport ships (shipwreck) also didn't make it. Teth, Tsadi and Lamed combined their building skills, knowledge of weaponry, and knowledge in general to create the krills. They are machines powered by a blue power diamond at the eye. Without it, krills are just husks. But, on the way to Wasteland, the power diamonds were corrupted by the forces of the King before he was trapped. When placed in the krills, they became sentient and evil. They broke free and began terrorizing Wasteland, inaverdantly doing their job and making Wasteland impossible to cross. Tsadi remained there as the last line of defense, ready to defend. Teth returned to Forest while Lamed returned to the Vault, slightly injured from one of the krills, hence his mask scars. He had no workshops in Vault, unable to repair them. Some spirits who survived the krills sought out Tsadi, and he taught them to take care of themselves in the new Wasteland, hence the mostly sneaky and defensive emotes. Forgotten Ark was mostly untouched, its ruins the same, the krills unable to go farther than the shore. The King's forces included krebbs, which were sent to assist the krills. The poisonous water was already polluted because of the industry there, and the realm was in a steady decline already, so it was OK with the elders to create a wasteland.
@rapid pollen
broken basin
The whole sky kingdom is a floating island in clouds@near moss
near moss
hrng
near moss
Then how would you have crossed the wasteland between forest and golden?
near moss
Isle is sea level, vault first floor is sea level
We know enough about vault to guess
We know it leads up to Eden
rapid pollen
no
near moss
which is super high
rapid pollen
actually that eden thing
sick tide
And we know we enter vault at sea level
rapid pollen
is confusing
near moss
Why?
sick tide
We are coming in from wasteland
rapid pollen
there's two portals as far as we know
the one in vault
and the gaets
the gates are more likely yo be the main one
near moss
You get to vault and the way to Eden is right there
sick tide
I guess I take the “portals” very loosely
near moss
Yeah I take the portals super loosely too
sick tide
They’re more like teleport spots to me
near moss
Which gates
rapid pollen
the one in vault is because of game logic
one level to the next
no lore about it to me
near moss
I consider the cutthrough in vault to eden like a transition of areas
I also think that can add into like Vault elder's scar; they're the closest one to the most dangerous area
sick tide
So walking from one to the other is less “going from one spot to a distant one” and more “if I go home I can get to this spot easier, but I’m moving forward on a path that is linear”
near moss
mhm
broken basin
Though i think the vault after the cutscene is the actual vault and not the Simulation that we were seeing
near moss
Which
rapid pollen
wym simulation
sick tide
Oooo simulation
near moss
It can't
rapid pollen
u can light things
near moss
The memories are all in the cutscenes
broken basin
Ah, have you ever seen the place after vault cutscene ends?
near moss
Are you talking about after you get through?
rapid pollen
the eden place?
near moss
That doesn't seem like the vault to me
sick tide
I apparently need to watch cutscenes again XD
near moss
There's not enough document
broken basin
The elevator is right there in front of us
sick tide
I autoskip now. I can’t even watch YouTube videos because I keep clicking the “skip” button or tapping to try to close the emote screens lol
sick tide
I tried to watch the orbit cutscene because it supposedly gives you an extra candle,....... before I realized what I had done, I skipped it lol
sick tide
Just the cutscene at the end
rapid pollen
orbit does give u wax
rapid pollen
from the spirits u have from any season and classics and ur friends seen
rapid pollen
mhm
near moss
Could you do that before they were TS?
near moss
Or is Prophecy just really really weird
rapid pollen
no u cant ascend them\
sick tide
What do you mean by “ascend” them?
sick tide
Oh. Okay, got it
broken basin
Closely observe the transition from floor 2 to 3. You'll see the tower is actually broken, from lvl 3 l. That break mustve been caused by the eden exploding above it. From floor 3 vault has no boundaries, which shoulve been there since it's a tower.
If not a Simulation, the vault we see is either a dream.
broken basin
Tower looks like stars? Wdym
sick tide
Hmmmm. So, like something is failing with a matrix or losing control of a dream state by an interfering person, @broken basin ?
broken basin
That's an invisible wall meow, to keep us in our limits
rapid pollen
there are
broken basin
Yes, cause it's all destroyed
rapid pollen
its kinda hard to see tho
near moss
Yeah I figured
broken basin
No
near moss
What?
rapid pollen
the floating candle things I think are the books
near moss
no i thought they were stars
broken basin
Those are the Broken and separated pieces
rapid pollen
and if you jump into the orange glow u see a bunch of them
broken basin
Remember that eden explosion took place right above vault, that's why the lower floors remained intact , but the higher ones got destroyed
rapid pollen
wdym eden explosion
near moss
mhm i hthink that too
Eden explosion? I think the one that kicked the elders out of orbit or something?
rapid pollen
wdym
broken basin
No, not that
rapid pollen
me?
broken basin
Read the docs?
rapid pollen
Me?
near moss
me?
broken basin
Both of you
broken basin
Well
near moss
huh alright
broken basin
Elders resided in the eden castle which is near the orbit area
near moss
then what are the holes in the clouds?
rapid pollen
NAH
the castle was the King's duh
the elders have their
temples
in their respective realms
rapid pollen
they never fell
broken basin
Uhh, elders didn't live in the temples and they aren't actually temples
near moss
WHat
rapid pollen
Uhh, elders didn't live in the temples and they aren't actually temples
@broken basin cap
the elders never fell one
broken basin
Temples are just the places that held importance to that particular elder
rapid pollen
two the temples are the portals
sorta
portals
that allow you to contact the elders
broken basin
They fell, the intro says it
rapid pollen
in their pocket dimensions
near moss
They fell
rapid pollen
noh
near moss
What
rapid pollen
it says the stars fell
broken basin
They fell from Orbit and built the sky world
near moss
The stars are the elders
rapid pollen
NO
near moss
There are 6 stars and 6 elders what???
rapid pollen
the elders arent tat powerful
broken basin
Elders are the stars dhfjjg
near moss
Yeah they fell from orbit
rapid pollen
you know their cutscenes
near moss
then where are they???? the cutscene where you unlock their hair???
near moss
Yeah but I doubt they're there eitehr
rapid pollen
as shown by the spacey starry background
near moss
OR they could have come back to Orbit
near moss
They're entire goal
broken basin
Nothing is confirmed pedro, we can't just 100% agree ir disagree, rest is what you believe but that Elder thing was very obvious imo
near moss
Their
rapid pollen
OR they could have come back to Orbit
@near moss nah cuz they arent in
the
temple
near moss
what
rapid pollen
Nothing is confirmed pedro, we can't just 100% agree ir disagree, rest is what you believe but that Elder thing was very obvious imo
@broken basin its not 100% confirmed
that never happened
near moss
if they went to temple and came back from temple then would they not be in the temple
broken basin
We send them back to orbit by reuniting them and their light
rapid pollen
its not their light
near moss
WHAT
near moss
WE GIVE IT TO THEM
rapid pollen
to rejuvinate them
broken basin
our task was to re Unite the elders and return them to the skies?
near moss
mhm mhmh mmhmh
rapid pollen
Did you forget that pur task was to re Unite the elders and return them to the skies?
@broken basin no
copy paste the intro i cant find it
hushed steeple
So was the teary light miner stranded?
rapid pollen
yes
broken basin
Please, you have to rewatch the intro of the game i request
rapid pollen
u catn
near moss
I like to think that we're also supposed to return as much Winged Light to the lost skykids in Eden too
rapid pollen
rewatch
near moss
YOU CAN? I THINK? In ISLE?
broken basin
near moss
ye
rapid pollen
i thought it was a cutscene lo
broken basin
No meow
hushed steeple
So the 3 guys with him died. Thats sad.
broken basin
You cant see it
That's just the isle intro
The game intro is different
near moss
gotcha
broken basin
With the stars united, our light was infinite.
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.
near moss
ooh wonder who's talking there
broken basin
These are the lines said in intro
near moss
Wouldn't it be fun if it were the king
broken basin
I think is either the isle Elder or tge megabird or king
rapid pollen
😦
near moss
Mhm
near moss
Ooh Isle Elder
rapid pollen
isle elder
near moss
I would love that tbh
rapid pollen
the king is unsaveable and trapped
near moss
oh come on
hushed steeple
Trapped?
near moss
are you a hundred percent sure
hushed steeple
Ohhh, interesting
rapid pollen
i think hes trapped in the eden crystal
hes also corrupted
he wouldnt call a skykid to help the elders who imprisoned him
also megan (megabird) doesnt interfere
near moss
The reason i think it might be really neat if it were the King is because it's like a lost memory of someone who was meant to save ya bois
hushed steeple
Oho, naruhodo
rapid pollen
guys
from the intro
i saw that
the eden elder
who is either the king
or some other entity we dont know
they didnt actually
fall
they rose from the clouds
broken basin
•With the stars united, our light was infinite.
-thet they all lived peacefully in the orbit as stars
•But darkness came, and the stars fell...
-i believe by darkness they mean, some corrupt or evil came. Dont really know, Let's just say they fell due to some sort of darkeness
•Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
-they fell in clouds and made the Sky kingdom. Everything was going good
•If only they had listened...
-they again messed up, the kings hunger for power caused a huge explosion in eden which destroyed the kingdom, killing all the Spirits and the elders lost their light too
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, With the stars united, our light was infinite.
But darkness came, and the stars fell...
Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
If only they had listened...
•A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
-Just that it's been a while since all of that happened. And the megabird is sending us down
•Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home
-clearly requesting us to reunite alk the elders with our light so that they can go back home i.e. orbit as stars
This is my breakdown of the lines said in the intro
broken basin
Well , look at the bigger picture here
rapid pollen
aight ima dip from this chat cuz i gotta do smth else
The Formation of Wasteland and it's Reasoning (My headcanon):
When the King was corrupted, the Vault's safety became paramount, as it held all the knowledge accumulated in the entire Sky Kingdom, or so we assume. To protect the knowledge, Golden Wasteland, or as I like to call it pre-corruption, Golden City (since it was industrial like NYC), was evacuated to be made into a living hell. Every spirit was sent to the boats and told to leave. Some didn't make it out in time. Mostly the rowboats but one or two main transport ships (shipwreck) also didn't make it. Teth, Tsadi and Lamed combined their building skills, knowledge of weaponry, and knowledge in general to create the krills. They are machines powered by a blue power diamond at the eye. Without it, krills are just husks. But, on the way to Wasteland, the power diamonds were corrupted by the forces of the King before he was trapped. When placed in the krills, they became sentient and evil. They broke free and began terrorizing Wasteland, inaverdantly doing their job and making Wasteland impossible to cross. Tsadi remained there as the last line of defense, ready to defend. Teth returned to Forest while Lamed returned to the Vault, slightly injured from one of the krills, hence his mask scars. He had no workshops in Vault, unable to repair them. Some spirits who survived the krills sought out Tsadi, and he taught them to take care of themselves in the new Wasteland, hence the mostly sneaky and defensive emotes. Forgotten Ark was mostly untouched, its ruins the same, the krills unable to go farther than the shore. The King's forces included krebbs, which were sent to assist the krills. The poisonous water was already polluted because of the industry there, and the realm was in a steady decline already, so it was OK with the elders to create a wasteland.
ima leave this here
as well
broken basin
Majority died in the explosion
And there many many hundreds of people living there , not just the 37 spirits we see,
hushed steeple
I'm also thinking civil war occured coz wasteland
hushed steeple
Oho just the right time
broken basin
Didn't you post this like 20 mins ago as well?
rapid pollen
mhm
hushed steeple
Interesting read
keen spire
ok i have a theory that idk if anyone did but Imma say it anyway:
I think maybe the twins were originally one person/elder. There are some things that point to that, for instance their Hebrew name which was just one singular name. Also, in the cutscene when you make it to the end of valley, they first appear as one being, then split into two, suggesting that they split into two at some point. The other elders are bigger in size, and even forest and vault elders aren't as skinny as the valley twins. But when combined, the valley twins's size looks closer to the other elders.
It's kinda weird, but I think it has some logic to it
sly kestrel
Their Hebrew name isn’t canon
It’s jus a lil thing they came up with
And if I remember correctly, ktjn said their old concept names were never canon
near moss
I heard a theory that they got separated when they fell
But yeah I think it's pretty canon that they used to be one person of some sort
not canon canon but like
insinuated and hinted to at almost every possible opportunity
lol
lost widget
I thought I saw it in the doc; I can't find it now
desert sun
dont the valley twins have prosthetic arms too?
desert sun
then i say its a high probability that they used to be one person
desert sun
are they based on pollux and castor?
near moss
do not think so
desert sun
shame, i was gonna look for references that we could use to find out how they wereseparated
tough path
question, who are the people cheering in valley? You dont see anyone in the stands, so its kinda creepy
desert sun
i always wondered that
if we never get an answer, id just chalk it up to a childs active imagination, imagining people are cheering them on
that, or they just have sounds of people cheering playing constantly through hidden speakers
tough path
in the two “races”
desert sun
yeah, like before you start a race and i think after you finish
near moss
At the end, in the coliseum
tough path
also at the portal
desert sun
^^
desert sun
home's valley portal
near moss
ahh
desert sun
u know how when u stand next to a portal, u can hear sounds from it
near moss
oh yeahhh
desert sun
a neat detail :))
near moss
damn hidden noise like that is super interesting
Hm
I think there actually is cheergin in there but it's darker than it's supposed to be? Maybe like the echoes of the people long gone
The cheers of the lost spirits echo through the valley
desert sun
i could see that, that makes it 100x more eerie
near moss
mhm mhm
I like the valley the most because it feels like it was lived in by millions
It's so colourful and full
But it's so, so empty
desert sun
yeah, empty and decrepit
the only thing saving it from feeling depressing is the animals
and the cheery music
near moss
And the gorgeous colours
What was Valley's old name?
I would htink it was Sunset or something
desert sun
yeah, sunset
desert sun
its nice how well the names work even now
tough path
Sunset
frail hearth
storm
frail hearth
yea
tough path
dawn, day, rain, sunset, dusk, night, storm
near moss
Which area do you consider the most lonely?
desert sun
define lonely
desert sun
id say islne
near moss
you can consider Isle lonely because it's so few and far between of people
desert sun
isle**
near moss
Or you can consider Vault lonely because it's so tall and Lamed's meditation shrine is so deeply removed from the rest of everything
Oof i mean Vault elder
desert sun
hmmmm
near moss
Or you could consider the Wastelands lonely because everything left there is dead
Or the Prairie because while there is life and there is society everything is so separated by the clouds and land and sea it's a little oofies
frail hearth
if you think about it every realm is really lonely
near moss
mhm
frail hearth
have you ever been in a server alone? even prairie feels dead
near moss
mhm mhm mhm
desert sun
i think ima go with prairie
it looks like it had a ton of civilization with all the homes and villages, and the spirits you meet there are so fun
but once you realize everyone is dead, and all the houses are broken apart with moss and stuff
i cant spell today hehe
fast jasper
i mean it is covered in untouched snow no foot prints
desert sun
idk, i cant see valley the same way i see prairie
frail hearth
the sunset really distracts from what it really is tbh
desert sun
ohhh well. now that i remember the houses in the races it feels a lot worse tbh
frail hearth
yep
fast jasper
actually i think was as green as prairie but then the air element corrupted like the other elements
short owl
Maybe that's not an issue though. Valley gets so much fresh snow that the damage is burried before it's noticed. It's not till Citadel that this becomes obvious. And maybe that's the point? Samekh hide how bad things are until you get closer, and then they let you in on how much of a mess they are
You first see them playing by taking your light. You may be mad at them a bit, but ultimately you see goofing off.
Only after a while do you notice the fight
viscid coyote
The sunlight and the snow whit the golden decorations is so wonderfull
I love sliding down on the valley
I don’t think it’s so elemental like that @fast jasper
near moss
I don't think it was covered in green, honestly
There's a lot of ice and the races were built around skiing
Since they were so high up I'd figure that's just natural
Samekh are the only elders not actively needing your light to rejuvenate and stuff
tough path
so how does the map work? sometimes there are things i dont really get, like how the top of vault, which is apparently a tower, leads to eden
unless im forgetting sth and there’s a portal?
near moss
There is a portal as far as I remember, kinda like the one at home, but I consider it on par to a transition thing
A pathway
Just pretend that the tower of the Vault leads very very high up
kind bobcat
The vault directly connects to Eden, but the interior of the vault is still a mystery.
near moss
mm
kind bobcat
We can see the vault's roof from the Eden social space.
tough path
the grass is nice imo
tough path
Vault gets more and more organic and magical the higher you go
tough path
and what the hecc are those ghost trees
near moss
OH YEAH I"VE NEVER EVEn THOUGHT ABOUT THAT DUDE
They grow because of the candles
At least a few do
tough path
and then they spawn black cubes
tough path
when you light the white candles, the trees grow and black floating cubes appear as an extra part of a “bridge”
cerulean silo
Yoyo
livid valley
Ah hello meow
near moss
Hello
viral meadow
What if..... Skykids are angels? They come from above, according to the beginning cutscene 
rapid juniper
All of us come from above
viral meadow
They also have wings and are made of light...
rapid juniper
We got that from winged light
fast jasper
i find it very unnerving that the cheers that you here in the being of the two valley races are probably the cheers of dead ancestors and by the volume of the cheers...well that’s a lot em
near moss
Haha yeah
rapid juniper
Thats dark lol
near moss
I like that
viral meadow
What about when we first start playing the game? We haven’t gotten any wl then..
near moss
There’s so many dead spirits dide
Dude
So many
The ones we get emotes from are just like a small percent
fast jasper
oh no the amount of structures
near moss
Mhm mhm
rapid juniper
What about when we first start playing the game? We haven’t gotten any wl then..
@viral meadow from isle
fast jasper
ohhh jeez 
near moss
Like the cheers dont have to belong to them but it’s pretty clear that there were many people living
rapid juniper
Yeah
hushed steeple
I'm gonna out this here cause it seems lore related. But I just realized(thanks to Wren) skykids are made of light and they pull out candle from their chest. So basically they use themselves as a lighter/source of fire
rapid juniper
Ye
viral meadow
Lol
livid valley
yes
ember temple
Yeah the candles are kinda like their hearts
rapid juniper
Yeah it is
rapid juniper
Lol how?
fallen epoch
They got help.
rapid juniper
From who
fallen epoch
These guys
rapid juniper
Lmao where did they came from
fallen epoch
the outside world
rapid juniper
👌
vale ridge
Oh look
Lore
livid valley
yes lore
vale ridge
I see a turtle, interesting
fallen epoch
You're just jealous because you haven't won sky lore yet
livid valley
old beta has a turtle sign before
vale ridge
Won sky lore?
livid valley
nice
icy spruce
what
desert sun
i watched the rhythm ending cutscenes for the first time and ???? 
what animal was that
gilded fossil
/a birb!
fast jasper
rhythm birb
fast jasper
BIRB MAN?!
livid valley
birb man pretty hot
queen locust
i come into the chat in the middle of class and the first thing my eyes are drawn to is 'birb man hot'
queen locust
Yes I am aware of who Forest Mama is and how seductive she was supposed to be in concepts kajsajka
Her legs terrify me sometimes
fast jasper
wait what
queen locust
In the concepts, Teth was supposed to be someone luring skykids deeper into the forest to get them lost
Make of the words 'seduce' and 'lure' as you will
fast jasper
i mean the leg bit
queen locust
Iirc she showed her legs off a lot more
fast jasper
currently searching for teth’s concept to see
gilded fossil
/tomzhao's
fast jasper
why does she look so tall???
livid valley
the legs make her tall
sinful anvil
ppl: seduce?? wth
me: when will yall understand that one of the frustrating coocoolanding mysteries of english is its words have so many connotations they will fry your brain off???????????
gilded fossil
/oh yea one time bricky tried to measure her
livid valley
did it work out well
sinful anvil
said she’s 6’? in the live version
livid valley
taller than 6 foot huh
queen locust
Not as tall as the King but tall enough for you to be intimidated by her legs
livid valley
indeed
lethal stump
i re-measured her and i think she was around 6’4
lethal stump
yes
and also, i was reading up and can i suggest not making inappropriate comments towards the appearance of characters in-game ? this is meant to be a family friendly server after all 
livid valley
yessirrrr 
queen locust
Right- sorry Bricky
pseudo heart
I can't find teth's concept 
I've literally been searching for a good 30 minutes (which I do not complain because I can literally stare at Tom Zhao's work for days)
queen locust
Pinned messages my guy- there's a lot of it
pseudo heart
Is it not in Tom Zhao's website
queen locust
pseudo heart
Dang
rapid juniper
Whats the sky lore
edgy sequoia
There’s basically barely any Sky lore the devs had left behind
So it’s a void :/
Also are you new to Sky lore? @rapid juniper
rapid juniper
Im a little bit new i started chatting here in tuesday i think
edgy sequoia
Ahh
green tartan
Castle in the sky i wonder what was this used for is it for the king oor
queen locust
It's big enough I think- but that's just the tip of the massive castle that is Eden
rapid juniper
It can be the corrupted kings castle
livid valley
yes
green tartan
It could be tho how it like got up there separated confused me
sky hav no principle of gravity demn
rapid juniper
Yeah there is two castles in eden
queen locust
Oh- giant diamond explosion, most likely
median stone
Fantasy and logic are frienemies