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what is that swirl of light?
@fossil oxide duh
**Like example
- enchanted ( a ship)
They drowned in a ship ?? - RYTHYM ( šŖ moves )
- they died during a performance??**
Draft?
I mean, the thing is.
look
Think about it, if the krills wanted to advance to the next area.
Would they have had a spirit gate?
Unless, the spirit gate broke.
ark prob crashed because the krill krilled the ship in the pass
and the rhythm spirits didnt die...
"Krilled" Im using that from now on
i know how much you don't like this word Pyre, i'm sorry the spirit gates are probably just part of the Sky gameplay.
Then why there holes on the cloud?
ark prob crashed because the krill krilled the ship in the pass
@fossil oxide
because we got the light
At forgotten ark I meant
Wait what is a spirit gate?
Wait what is a spirit gate?
@mild lark those shimmery walls you use your candle to walk through
ark prob crashed because the krill krilled the ship in the pass
@fossil oxide Sky kids on a ship trip, then![]()
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The lore is running deeeeep
/the gate that requires an amount of spirits before enter
because of the cyan light, moiety
oh
Or in Eden's case, winged light
A spirit gate is what you call a constellation gate, it needs a specific amount of spirits to go through
Aaaa
Hey guys, how would have the spirits went through a spirit gate?
oo oke
@fossil oxide itās a joke.
Hey guys, how would have the spirits went through a spirit gate?
/oh yea
@fossil oxide what you quoted
/ imagine collecting yourself before going into a door tho
Anyways Iāll sneep now
i dont think so
I think spirit gate is a game mechanics..
i mean
/sneep well yoda
i dont think it was a joke
I think spirit gate is a game mechanics..
@mild lark most certainly not
i refuse to believe that
Please elaborate then
** Imagine tgc giving us all the story of the spirits and how did they die**

Gtg, have a great day everyone
What's the fun in that?
prob spirits had candles too
They probably had to sacrifice their candles
smiley u dont play sky anymore?
They probably had to sacrifice their candles
@sour cradle we dont have to
why should the ancestors?
I think travel was more... free back then
I mean they have boats for those that don't have wings
It like a quest for new moth..
You need to explore other places before advancing to another..
Spirit gates will motivate new player to play the game longer...
yeyses
Hearing the sound of isle of dawn makes me go 
it just makes me float
o u t o f m y s o u l
Also
What does the elders do no one is around 
/ back to regular lore chat
Ń ą¹
/ it's usually not that crowded, at least for me
/slicker you new eh?
/imma start a topic if you want
Les go
/ was the king part of the elders gang or ancestors gang?
But the real question is
/ hmm, but at the intro, there were only 6 stars that fell
why doesnāt the elders protect the moths in the actual game play?
/ elders are stuck in limbo, imo
/they cant escape where they are right now
/ sorta like time-out for elders (wasnt my idea)
/ maybe the king was an ancestor that was trusted by the elders
And I guess the elder power was gone so they needed someone ?
and found him as the closest option
/ i have theory that king is the prince and prince is smol so prince wear mecga to loook big
/maybe king made the mecha so that other people will see him as part of the elders
/ i spy lurker feel free to share your thought tbh, chat's in peace mode
Iām mostly thinking that YES, EVERY ONE INCLUDING THE ELDERS IS A SKY KID until some thing happened and changed the whole sky world
/oh, maybe theyre where a sky kid. the devs said that "skids will never grow up to become elders", which makes me think that there's something stopping them from becoming elders
- ranks
- how the stuff are done
Iām
I guess the elders putted spells on us ??
The creepy part is how did they do it ??

/ elders didnt want to lose their jobs huh
/ oh is that why they made the diamonds?
/ put them on us and we cant even take them out
Welcome to Steven universe
/ ~~danggit there's a lurker come out come out ~~
/ no pressure tho sorry
no
/ elders didnt want to lose their jobs huh
@gilded fossil More like they donāt wanna lose their rank
Itās like saying to the people who has the before global to ||lose their rank in the beta capes which are rare mind you||
/ that a bit,...wha-
Losing a good rank is not some thing easy
No wonder why they donāt wanna sacrifice it
OR IMAGINE SKY WITH MORE THEN 100+ WORLD
/wwait wdym by lose their rank in the beta capes
there are two kinds of ||beta|| capes
/ah i see
/anyways, i have class now, gtg 
See ya!!

/hey royal dreamur you new?
/chat is a bit peaceful right now
/butrather than acknowledging it's ..."deadness" , it is better to start a discussion with some questions and ideas!
which i don't have
/okay well,
/ i was thinking maybe the elders where probably dark creatures, or a least," lack of light" creatures
/ in comparison to ancestors, the cannot recharge us. The ancestors (or, at least their spirits) do
/and they needed light. most cutscenes of them are some variation of us offering (or taken, lol samekhs) to the elders
/and, it's probably game mech but the elders don't need regular candles to buy their clothes
!ts
The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on October 1 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -7:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits
Diamonds are shown multiple times in each map
I think diamonds were created so light can travel through it
Maybe it was the only shape that can contain light
We have a diamond on our head to and on or cape
We could be (technologically) created by the ancestors
The lines shown in the jellyfish photo also appear in prairie
Once uniting all the"signals" in prairie and hidden forest it summons an anim
Animal*
Eden could be a signal too
Each map we go we "follow the light"
Summon Megabird?
In prairie those lines summoned the mantas
And hiding forest summoned jellyfish
Anyways following the light leads us to eden
Also, I read the whole concept art stuff in Tom Zhao's website and dang. I became really emotional looking at them-
Hidden*
Mainly the part where the Prince arrives-
The concept art there seems slightly different to the other story plan. Where the Prince saves you from the King. There, it seems kinda different with the image.
Pretty much, you're already dead, and the Prince appears with all the spirits/memories
Thats what the concept art showed
0.0
Well we are reborn infinite timesš
I also looked at the doors in gw
They look sealed shut
And water is seeping through
Where's that?
Golden wasteland
Which part in GW?
The end
is it the gw temple?
Exaclty
Or maybe it was always closed, but got filled up with water
There could've been a flood
Or... A dam?
Which explained the large skeletons
O h
I'm sure the animals were living in water before darkness grew bigger
And it has been a long time since the stars fell
Everything is falling apart and the spirits turned black from blue when they died
And this could've occurred after the war
I guess
Or maybe not
A kid splits into a manta and an... Elder?
Mantas a skids do have similar diamond symbols
A kid is eaten by manta and elder?
Well the same
But that doesn't make sense
What about the queen manta?
Would she turn into a skid if shes the queen of her species
Can't wait till the new season so I can spill my guts
But in sanctuary we had to save the manta kids by rebuilding the bells
wait, what if it is the other way around
Skids that helped elders personally/specially become better manta
They seem to have grievances
If we look at religion,
those who have unsolved stuff cannot leave the living
So the war might have affected them
I think the mantas arent skids but it's an interesting idea
I think thats symbolism, not literal 
Cause in the concepts, we're hybrids
Ancestors = Dark
Mantas = Light
How does us being mantas and becoming skids explain our journey to eden?
In the beginning the ancestors/elders call to us
Cause Ancestors are colored blue and are pretty much disconnected from Megan in Concepts. While Light Creatures are connected to Megan
In the intro, it's unknown who calls us
Probably The Light
And in the pictures were seen as a capeless skid
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anyone has references of the elders here
Weāre made of stone. For all we know, weāre their awakened 2nd army to help send everyone to Eden.
Second?
Probably the statues in Eden-
Iām assuming that weāre backup for the armies during the war, but were wakened too late
I was meant to go to dinner, but I still dont feel hungry
Or we could be originally the dead corpse original physical form of the Prince before they fell-
Well ofc
I'm still holding on to the theory that we're related to the Prince-
Does that make prince and king different?
I still see them as the same person
I think king was the first elder which explained why he ruled the biggest relm
Realm*
Just... King is well, Prince after becoming Ruler
Which is eden
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/ Og by -Bricky
Me?
Incase you need it
I have it screenshotted already but thx anyways
Ok
I don't think Eden is quite the biggest realm. Probably the one that holds the highest significance, but probably not the biggest realm. Seems to be the biggest cause we have to transverse mountain to get on top.
to me Gw seems like a wide realm but eden is def a bigger realm. we're just not allowed to go wherever like gw can
esp if u imagine eden pre-kaboom. def biggest
yeah thoooo
Anyways in these photos I think the spirits worshiped the stars so when they fell they harnessed there power to create inventions such as the boats that float above the clouds and the temples
In early beta people used to get to the elder by boats.
This might be Easter egg
there are more murals
In these photos the diamonds are used to control the light to basically keep it in as an invention
When light reacts to these lines they open gates
Just like in the hidden forest when it worked to summon the jellies
Iām thinking those are wax gates
The forest elder taught the elders & spirits how to create diamonds to harness light
(Idk if it's TRUE just a theory)
Wdym wax gates?
Basically what I meant was when the lines react to light it serves its purpose
like dark plant gates i guess
Oh
that sounds pretty cool actually
Thx UwU
In eden we can also see pipe systems
I wonder what those were....
Was it like a sewage system or something to keep water in?
At shipwreck there's something very gross leaking out of those pipes (maybe what polluted the water)
With related to eden being the first realm
some say sewage, others say different things
yeah that thing is very gross indeed
It could've escaped and spread across the realms
looks like disgusting slime
š¤¢
The pollution in GW seems a bit like oil to me, but I'm not too sure
like it could be waste from power diamond production. just like our irl factories 
Oooooo
why do the krill make weird sounds tho
no one knows
beeeeeeeep
rAAAAAAWR
they almost sound mechanical sometimes
some say krills are mechanical from that sound some say they're not
skrrrkkrkrskskkkkkrrrkk
hmm
Well they do have an automatic target system
I think theyāre war machines
esp when one passes above you, you hear this..uhh 'kshk' broken sounds
Donāt worry they just didnāt visit the chiropractor
krills hard
exoskeleton go skkrkrkkkrk
That recharges us
wait yeaaah
The cape thingy?
(My friend was in the way sry)
Isn't it on the Eden gate as well?
(its ok)
is home canon or not
I dont think it is
the cape constellation? i dont remember tbh
Maybe itās like a portal thing
I thought the cape thing was on the gate you have to light up when you have already opened the Eden doors
They resemble capes
So... They probably are related to capes
I noticed tehre is some empty spot in constellations (except prairie for some reason)
Is taht mena we are gonna get new spirits in the future-
ah yeah bronto. its there but just to tell you a how much wl u need before entering eden i think
Maybe for travelling spirits
inside the jellies and the mushrooms there r little sparkles
i think minimum 20 wl thats why

Sorry but
They couldāve skinned mantas and jellys
I always thought they were spirits, but they are already in The Light. So they don't need to be saved.
But what about the home plate and the hidden forest lines out of jellies
And Manta lines in prairie
ooooooook
Wait imma go to prairie
i have now read all the stuff
Those are different
The constallation on our home plate probably represents us...
Wait-
They're used to ummon Mantas and Jelly, like in Forest, right?
yesyesyes
at orbit we see the constellation of the prince shape (same icon as the 'all spirits constellation')
At home:
friend constellation has the š shape just like the the vault mural cutscene of the king. it is also called "the light" constellation
What if that plate was to summon us...?
The one at home-
Question is, who summoned us?
and the social space plates summon spirits from that realm
Prince? Megan? Elders? The Light?
Y e s
Also how does this relate us to the Prince? Unless, we're born as some replacement for the Prince or something-
we are clones of the prince?
Also, Isle Elder pin also says "We saw of your return"
at praire we need 3 bells to summon mantas (we also see manta doodle on the inside of those towers).
at forest you need 4 bells i think to summon jellyfish and you see the jellyfish doodle on the last temple thing.
the shapes of the bells are different too.
Praire is thin tall bell while forest is short rounder bell
So... Doesnt add up?
The prince might not even exist
Also, Isle Elder pin also says "We saw of your return"
when??
guysssssssssssssssssssssss
In the pins from Skyshop
oh
The prince might not even exist
prince does exist, Reika said so
Yeah
the bells summon the creatures....
we know pyre
the plates help
Theres a bell at Eden portal...
Do you think that a huge mask exists in sky?
the bells are based on the irl tibetan spinning prayer bells.
and i dont think the jellies and the mushrooms are light creatyres
the home bells summon us 
and i dont think the jellies and the mushrooms are light creatyres
what are they then?
at least not by themselves.....
i think they are harboring
light
like coral
harbors algae
jellyfish and mushrooms have the same color scheme as spirit mantas
u see those sparkles
Ooh, I think I understand why Isle has a bell now. Cause Isle is meant to represent new beginnings. So it has a bell, which represents a calling.

The possibility of a tall/huge mask is not out of the question.
It's light
yes
Looks similar to light fragments, sooo
/andd?
like in the winged light
so basically i think
jellies and mushrooms
r neutral
right?
The possibility of a tall/huge mask is not out of the question.
@digital willow #wishlist-and-ideas-archived ?
and they have this light inside them
Mushrooms have light?
inside them
ive always seen
as holograms tbh. they sound like butterflies and in vault mural we see lamed and scholars summoning the
manta and cosmic elder manta from laterns
not like mantas or birds
that r themselves light
mushrooms and jellies just coexist with light
like us and mitochondria
?
the 2 in the middle are beta stuff if i wasnt mistaken
/yea some of them are beta
We have the chibi mask which makes us small, so a tallness mask isn't out of the question.
/old beta
Pretty sure the last one doesnt count as a constellation summoning thing
I know
where r the old beta guys
/hmm, to me
The things they're holding
Stars/Spirits
/oh yea i was about to say
those beta things are debatable regarding lore, they were made inactive because they messed with the flow of the story
also those markings represent the elders
isn't that a clock?
its a clock for a boat that used to come before
Oh
itās a clock for something that doesnāt show up anymore
no longer works
These were from beta
unless you oob
i wanna boat.....
Oops
i saw that too carbon
I just wanted to day something about that one
they say probs bug 
what the.....
Yesh
What is it for though?
/unsurre
i believe it used to summon a rainbow too
It has a diamond
for floating
they all do prince
Yes
its a boat
yea, thatās how they fly
/some dont have paddles tho
So did the forest elder travel from realm to teach them?
those have diesel engines
/imagine diesel
darkness oil
i was assuming that diamonds were exported around the realms, considering they kinda were
Also why is this statue here and who is it?
ironically when i oobed to the ice rink boat it had a paddle so- i think we can only confirm if they have paddles or not like that
we dont know carbon
up to you, carbon
/any theories for that carbon
what is this, a QnA ?
heck if we know
/i was thinking why he's facing not towards the temple
/i mean he's suppose to hit the temple right?
Well all I was trying to say was they were very technologically advanced which could've led to more darkness spreading
/the catapults is towards the temple
It has removed clothes that aren't available anymore so they might have been a spirit from the old version.
the catapulteer is kneeling....
(Because of pollution)
rlly?
I think.
It is
when u use the catapult it goes directly on the whurtles ribs. but i doubt such a small catapult can kill these boys esp since we dont see damaged ribs but thats probs me thinking anatomy too much
:0
the skeletons have sharp force trauma, catapults give blunt force
i know (i know my pathology)
just a thought of me saying that such a thing wont kill them
Might have been for krill in order to kill them faster.
/maybe the had light or pollution killing them
also the eyes and nose crack are from crashing down not from hit xD
/not boulders, deffinitely
tru
it could just have been a huge spoon for the krill
or a giant
and the guy was flinching
and then was krilled
and turned to stone
cuz ancestors r different than sky kids
Do you think he will be added in in the future?
who?
Yeah him.
we dont know. he's always been there
I like to think so.
i know light awaits has nothing to do with the current game, buut šš
How can you meet the elder when in the canon it's said that the elders are not around anymore> That's a screenshot from the old version of the game
@north jacinth
i know light awaits has nothing to do with the current game, buut šš
@frail hearth Isn't light awaits the old name of the hame?
it came before sky beta
/yep
o
/whether canon or not is debatable
But how they have nothing to do with eachother?
it's a totally different game
o h
Well, its pre release Sky actually
/it's very old, alot has been scrapped
just with the same concept of flying around getting light
A lot has changed, to the point its almost entirely different
/ like you used to cannot fly until like, 10 minutes in
But the story there is clearer
"The Eden elder isnāt around to be saved anymore"
" It's not that the elders are in the temples now when skykids visit there. The elders are deeply related to those places but they are not there now"
" The locations of [their] cutscenes are somewhere beyond space and time"
-canon doc
Yes that's what I was talking about> "The Eden elder isnāt around to be saved anymore"
" It's not that the elders are in the temples now when skykids visit there. The elders are deeply related to those places but they are not there now"
" The locations of [their] cutscenes are somewhere beyond space and time"
-canon doc
@tender dune
/ yep, it was clearer, but now they made it vague so that we can theorize!
The line "The Eden Elder isn't around to be saved anymore" could mean A LOT of things
Can we use the information from light awaits or not?
probably not?
/ i dont really know
Probably not
oh
yes, but la is unreliable
alright thanks!!
You can base theories off of it but itās validity is dubious at best
/would that be gatekeeping tho
what does that mean?
/ best english
gatekeeping means like putting down other theories just because they don't match with yours
Probably a lot of the concepts of the lore we have may have changed significantly too 
ohh, thanks res 
For all we know, we may actually be far from what's gonna be shown in Season of Prophecy
it's hard to understand what's going on in the game
(the story only)
lore-wise if you don't dig through the concept arts + our theories the fact that there is actually lore goes over your head
not saying that it applies for everyone but many people didn't even know there was lore until they found out this channel existed
Though, that would mean that everything we knew was a lie 
I was one of these people xd
Same
me too
i started getting into lore after i figured out Sky's plot
there isn't one
~yet
lmao goob send the thing again
Well, based from what the devs said, it feels like there's at least some back bone for lore in Sky, just made vague
im just seeking for a clear explanation of everything
@north jacinth that is what every new face here seeks.
Soon your mind will change and you will be awakened from your eternal slumber
With the Season of Prophecy, things may start to get interesting... 
OHHH
Oh yeah I think that the answers are all already there, itās just that itās being revealed to us bit by bit
Well, even before prophecy started it's alrwady interesting
/ wdym plot???
Instead of the usual "yo check this new season" we got "BEWARE THE PROPHECY"
I'm now more hyped for the chaos in this chat more than the Season itself- 
I could now understand why the devs were so excited for this Season
/oh yea greylee have you seen the moff doc?
lore chat going to have a field day when prophecy drops 
Oh yes
when did it drop again?
I'll be here for the field day
with lore moffs every 10 seconds but anyway let's go back to actual lore
i looked at the beta stuff, and we're going to have so much fun
no teasing or beta talk here plz 
Okay
i won't i won't

funny story: when i was a moth i thought the lore was that krills ate up everything and everyone in sky
not that funny now that i look back at it but it was certainly interesting and i thought we'd eventually have to do some mega krill slaying

/okay can someone explain why cant the rain pollute the river in forest
dilution?
because wasteland trademarked polluted sludge
/oh capitalism strikes again
It seems to me like the rain only became polluted or something recently
Because there's barely any dark water that can drain us like in GW
Darkness fumes 
It's like the further we go, the more polluted with darkness each realm is
i would guess it's due to the proximity of the realms to eden
o ginko beat me to it i am š
Makes me wonder why it wasn't the case with Vault....
Vault is a vault
synced minds 
yeah vault seems pretty intact as compared to the other realms
because vault is supposed to be secured so i guess thats why its not "damaged". but also the top levels are holograms so they might not exist but we cant see them because its a dream
The top does seem pretty intact though 
mhm
i hate this, my recent emojis gon
Maybe it is because its a Vault
Or maybe there's another reason that we don't know yet?
gn goob take your vitamins too

/hmm vault's also the only place without darkness plants
it has kreb tho
praire, gw, vault. no dark plants
But thats mainly due to erosion stuff that occurred from within the Vault. There's water too, so it must've been because of GW
So the crabs wandered from GW into the Archives... For some reason
same with valley temple, the crabs just chilling in maze
So there's something about the Vault is stopping it from getting corrupted
/lol nah, prarie and the bells
i don't owe you a soda >:v
hmm, i heard a theory that the battle in battlefield happened because they wanted to protect vault or something like that
and the krills seem to be activated for some reason when you open the gate, which leads to the door that leads to vault

what jen?
/ and wdym golden wasteland has no darkness plants??
/ aaaah
theres a theory that vault is built inside the mountain to eden, so whatever happened to wasteland happened because it was on the outside on the surface and it didn't affect vault because it was inside
Its also odd. Its the place that's powered by light more than the other realms. Doesn't seem to fit well with the original theory I had about how overuse of light was what brought darkness in the first place-
/wait isle tho?
Isle is also untouched
isle has but under the temple
isle may be untouched bc its the farthest from eden
Yeah, except that
/where?
at the 
It could be because there's no butterflies in Vault? Just purely flame-
or is there 
/yea vault as a whole has no creatures/ plants except the crabs
? spirits and spirit mantas?
It doesn't use Light Creatures. Just flame. Maybe that's why there's no darkness. Darkness is cause purely probably from Light Creatures maybe
/oh that makes vault really life less
are
not light creatures
/cold, like a fridge
and spirits
/well, imo the spirit mantas seems like a projection of some sort
/as we ascend the mantas just sorta disappear
yeaa i believe that, the only thing that puts a wrench in that theory for me is that jellyfish have the same color scheme as those mantas, and they dont seem to be projections
I have a dumb question, can i ask ?
Sure
shoot 
Does relams represent Life ?
yes
Well.... Yeah
I have a dumb question, can i ask ?
@celest turtle so this isn't dumb, right ?
not at all 
š
yes they represent stages of life, but that doesn't apply to canon lore
each realm represents different things if im not mistaken (yes what res said š )
@solar relic why ?
Did anyone see grill bates?
it was in the concept arts
Oh
ngl i still use some old concept arts as base for my own theories
those stages of life apply to our lives so
np. if u need any info the pins probs have better explanation
we kinda have to use the concepts to base our theories 
Oh ok
its how we discovered the prince and king after all
yall tryna react or not
since stuff from concept arts have made it into the game i'd say there's pretty much no problem with using concept arts for theories. though keep in mind not everything does apply or will apply to current live 
yea yea ofc not everything will be canon
Random thought (not to interrupt) but:
I just realized that out of all the Realms, Vault is one of the least actually destroyed. Of course, there's corrupted dark plants and spirits and what not, but none of it is actually really physically destroyed?
And with Vault being the realm closest to Eden, that strikes me as weird.
Just a thought.
but its a theory channel after all 
Yes
@thorn trout i think from ||eden|| to isle damage decreases
Nope
no need to spoiler anything here lol
š
as long as it isn't beta stuff you're fine
Yeup, beta is the only unallowed thing. :)
But yeah, just thought that was weird about Vault!
Vault is quite mysterious place...
/vault is just an acid trip
Still, valley is best in case of maintainance
Vault is amusement park of sky
okay, my personal theory is that because the amount of darkness and destruction gets less intense from eden to isle, there was some sort of "explosion" or something at eden that spread throughout all the other realms. Vault stays uncorrupt and undestroyed because its built underground into the mountain of eden, and vault itself was used as an elevator from wasteland to eden
since vault was underground it wasnt affected by eden
Don't think damage decreases from eden to isle
Oh, good point!
I forgot Vault was kind of under Eden. Silly me
Its kinda random I think
Firest is mess, valley is good, waste land is mess, vault is good
oh no valley is a big mess too
Yyy
I mean, even Valley's pretty bad. The citadel is really destroyed, hell
Valley is quite messy
Just look at citadel
and the flying race
its all covered in snow
citadel is my favourite spot in the whole of sky and i can agree
Valley actually probably got some of the worst of it, I think
Yeah, look at everything in valley
Some of the building in race is half inside the soil and broken (sorry for bad English)
I think worse damage kind of went like this:
Eden
Valley
Wasteland (with the corruption)
Forest
Prairie
Vault/Isle(?) (Kind of the same)
in terms of darkness i think valley is pretty much nearly spotless at the expense of gw. since valley was supposed to showcase the peak of civilisation (technological advancements, quality of life in general) and gw i would see as the industrial area where all the muck is
Wasteland had worse corruption, but Valley got really destroyed in terms of buildings
midway through, vault legit seems to be broken off its foundations, idk if it could be considered « not damaged »
we barely see any buildings in wasteland
Good point Bricky
Maybe buildings in Wasteland are covered deep in sand?
in order to fit my theory i chalk the vault damage up to ruin and decay, considering the lightseeker (??) spirits story
that part would depend on whether you see it as physical, actual vault or is it all a fever dream
It's kind of hard to categorize, actually?? Some had it worse in terms of ruin wear and tear, some had it worse with actual corruption (aka Wasteland and Forest)
also i feel like the state of valley could say something
i just noticed as you were talking about it
many people thought it was untouched, when in reality itās absolutely destroyed, but itās shiny veneer blinded us to the reality
i wonder if that speaks to how valley saw things...

...Oh boy
lmao time for social commentary and analysis on valley society back in civilisation
Y E S
It's what we do best in this channel
cant believe we are gonna talk sky civilization politics
SKY CIVILIZATION POLITICS TIME
Praire looks like a village for me
Forest, some kind of working place
Vally, urban
I always see Valley as removed from everyone, removed from everything
I should be in class but we're not doing anything and I want to talk lore
Wasteland, a huge factory
Valley is itās own bubble of business and leisure at the expense of the realms around it
Wasteland - military
/imagine the valley people chillin will wasteland was at war tho
Well, I think there was a factory in Wasteland and sometime later, there was suddenly a war
Oh
mmhm, the factory type temple in forest is also seen in the beginning of wasteland
When I think about it,
There's a weird connection between Forest, Wasteland and the King
(A little off topic but still)
Forest and Wasteland seems to be spots of technological advancement. Forest probably even provided the weapons we see Wasteland Elder fighting with.
And of course, they're both the worst corrupted.
Let alone the whole thing with the outline of Forest Elder and King's headmask being the same...
They had large parts to play in Sky and I can't stop thinking about that.
not to mention the factory looking things in the distance
@glad forge but there are so many huge walls which can protect the kingdom
yeah valley is quite a stark contrast as compared to the rest of the realms. everything's so grand, shiny and thrilling. since that would be where most of sky civilisation lived i wouldn't be surprised if they were ill-informed of what was going on around them (e.g power diamond drama, the war/battle) since like bricko said, they seemed to be very much removed from everyone.
what if the superficial glamour of valley really is a metaphor for how the valley residents lived and viewed the world around them? that they really ignored/were not informed of the bad stuff
and maybe that's why they might have been so chill with the king considering all the king symbols around , but they are not as imposing as king propaganda in gw
edit: oops sorry the topic changed-
Good point, good point.
Although. What would they need a port for?
Considering there's nowhere to go
forest probably provided the weapons we see wasteland elder with
@thorn trout actually, in the first winged light area of eden, there are weapons stored in that room
VALLEY CONSISTED OF CAPITALISM
@celest turtle Yeah, there are huge walls, but it could also be an outside factory. It was built outside, so It wont hurst the people inside the city.
also considering both Valley and Eden are mountains, i tend to see them as « looking down » on the other realms, where regular people worked and lived
Also as a way to say « valley and eden were close/not different in attitude »
If its a factory, why there should be so much huge walls ?
i think the walls were the factories
To export machinery to what couldāve been like the civilized areas
It's definitely true that every part of Sky has SOME connection to Eden, as you would in a functioning kingdom.
Course, Sky doesn't really function anymore...
Well, the walls were built for protection
@glad forge i think so
functioning kingdom
you overestimate the King and Eldersā abilities to run things
i must go as well, peace
Bye
thing is, i remember i had a convo with grill here talking about status.in the building concept of valley has different types (working class and such). we see those buildings in game too so valley has a mix of (hierarchy? sry unsure of english word..)
hierarchy works
diversity of socio-economic status?
thatās a more technical term but yes
welp u got it
~~sorry i just finished revising social studies
~~
oh yeah, i remember the concept art of the floating buildings and the ones on the ground for the upper class and lower class respectively
yes that!!
Nice name res
makes you wonder how they even got around with those kinda buildings. did they use boats? 
thank you the name has been applying to me lately
Floating buildings for upper class 
they probably used boats, iām guessing
Good....mornoonevenight guys
I think my head just exploded
good mornight oz
I tend to have that effect on people
What tisā the subject of this beautiful day?
How Valley worked
Poor spirits. Subject to capitalism/monarchy š
i guess u can say hierarchy?
subject to a monarchy, even worse

T r u e
- les misƩrables intensifies *
Oz
hi
Seeing you after long time
Hia my dearlinggggggggs
oh long time no see ami
I wonder if the twins are the one who actually taking care of valley authority

they could be a front 
Hello ginko.
I'm little busy with some real life stuffs
happens
they donāt seem exactly capable of running a capital. someone has to be behind it
Like, they didnt seem to be the type who would minding those kind of serious stuff tbh
Itās good to see you again Amio
But hey, even the most chaotic people have serious side
So capitalism crushed the society of the ancestors ?
I mean, maybe the twins can be a good elader if they want to
if they want to
well, itās unclear if this is capitalism or feudalism
thereās a difference
since thereās a monarch, iām leaning towards feudalism
...man what are those words menaing again
Politic is not my best point. Lemme google it
Okay going back but my friend said
"valley's government is who's the fastest down the hill is right prove me wrong"
That is wise
Wise choice
"valley's government is who's the fastest down the hill is right prove me wrong"
Yeah this sounds more like the twins![]()
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Can twins even. RUN this place. I don't think they can
"Aye mate whoever win this race will get to skip the meeting for a month"
so assuming itās feudalism, the elders are basically lords who work under the king
Valley fell because the twins were too busy trying to do the flying race and kept falling out
WHy did the king ever put them in charge
I mean.. if they can build floating buildings... maybe the twins did doing their job
Iām beginning to think maybe the elders corrupted the prince into the king...
The flying race wasn't always a flying race i thinkš
It can be sliding and flying race
Yeah, my guess is that the clouds filled the flying race sometime later
(I'm starting to believe there was an entire branch in Sky time where people begrudgingly trained the twins. Teth kept on trying to smack them)
Oh wait
You can only access flying race after you pass citadel
What if for higher statuses their race is flying, while for lower statuses is sliding race?
Makes sence now
English on its finest š
Anyway
Yeah taht might be the case
Im not sure if the flying race was suppose to be flying boat race in the past, but if its actually flying race... is taht mean ancestors can use flying cape in the past?
Flos not everyone here is Good with English too
Don't feel bad
Wear... use... idk
I have few other guesses on what flying race actually was. Maybe they were riding light creatures like mantas? Boat racing? Or as I said before, It was originaly a sliding race then It was filled with clouds.
manta race
that sounds like a samekh invention
You see... we generally think that the monarch is the mustache twirling villain of the plot...
But usually the monarch requires a council or advisors...
We know Vault had the table room built for larger than normal ancestors or for 4 of the Elders...
There is a manta whisperer, right? He could be manta shepherd
It makes sense if tehy actually use mantas in racing!
Valley constellation was manta shaped back in betaš
The narrator says ā...the stars fell...ā
Yeah that was my guess, just with flying obstacles
we see 4 mantas in vault mural of valley
Manta race manta race manta race!
Man i would love to join manta race!
Running mantas

i would rather join a krill race
we should get a manta race tgc...
no betting tho
Maybe Teth was responsible for bringing darkness to the prince...
And the twins responsible for bringing luxury/excess, and Tsadi for bringing war etc.
hmmmm
HUH OZ
YOU MIGHT BE INTO SOMETHING HERE
who was thet again?
thx
Forest elder
Each realms symbolizing... earthy obsession/possesion?
Forest : power
Valley : luxury
Vault : knowledge
Twins are chaos
the other elders too
Here
Well general consensus was that the king got corrupted and caused the downfall of the ancestors... but perhaps the prince was forced by the elders, his council to move society into the direction of industry and therefore destruction. Which is why the spirit of the prince is stuck in the diamond ā¦ļø at eden.
The narrator never says the prince himself (king) fell... they say all of the stars fell...
So I missed Manta race and that apparently Teth corrupted people?
seven deadly sins
this sounds like the chaos gods in 40k
Isle=Emptiness
Prarie=Sloth (Lazy)
Forest=Bitterness
Valley=Rivalry
Wasteland=Weakness (fits what stage of life GW represents
Vault=Denial
Credit to ButterflyGaming#5798 for making the symbolizing of each realm in negative representation
Perhaps the king was only propaganda made by the elders to impose fear on the people
sloth is a noun
And the prince was a captive in all of this
not the animal bricky
im not saying the animal
idunnogrammar 
hmmm
idunnogrammar
same
/ does anyone really
/anyways
bricky was right
Ok, let me seeeeeeeee
At this point, I'm not even sure if we think the Prince was a part of the evil or just a sad child
Maybe the king mecha was created by the elders as a way to keep control of the prince
What are y'all tallking about?
hello lore people! i am back! what are you all talking about?
the representation of the realms
/hi crad we talking realms
interesting, they are suppose to be stages of life right?
the elders manipulating a preteen to do what they want is a Very Angsty, Very Disturbing idea and im here for it 
not lore moths jen
I. I am not. I do not want Elders to be evil or for them to traumatize a poor teen
Isle=lonliness
Prarie=happiness
Forest=Bitterness
Valley=Rivalry
Wasteland=anger
Vault=Denial
i love thƩ idea of the elders being evil 
I have been traumatized and do not recommend
/ ohno bricky i thought the other things
similar to the previous list
same bricky
but what i wonder is what did they do to make it such that the prince/king couldnāt be saved anymore 
my theory of evil daleth is 
The narrator says ādarkness came and the stars fell...bring our slots stars homeā
well they possibly did suck out the light from light creatures, that's very evil
in the grim darkness of the kingdom of sky there is only evil
Pfffft. I think the Elders were more y'know, representation of humans. Absolute dumb people, but they were human. And just accidentally messed everything up and now have to wallow in their own guilt
Lilly, something in Sky is human?
someone knows 40k
Blood for the blood god Pyre
I want to hear your toughts

OMG
/ pyre chill
guys, letās keep to sky

/ yea
ok
Exactly
No no, I mistyped. XD Sorry, I meant interpretations of humans. Their stupid decisions fricked them up, as have most fallen human kingdoms. And now they gotta deal with it.
No no, I mistyped. XD Sorry, I meant interpretations of humans. Their stupid decisions fricked them up, as have most fallen human kingdoms. And now they gotta deal with it.
that's.. very intresting..
Okay, sorry. Jen I donāt mean to imply the Elders were mercilessly murdering ancestors and sacrificing children to gain power...
Only the mantas and butterflies is all
That's. Still not good
Okay, sorry. Jen I donāt mean to imply the Elders were mercilessly murdering ancestors and sacrificing children to gain power...
wait... WHAT??
my manta grinder 
/ah yes they needed light
Wait did my message send?
you used a censored term
Oop
i believe it was the one that started with s
/use a different word but family friendly
āShenanigansā
manta grinder
Sorry, my bad. Was not aware (it wasn't the s word so i just got confused)
But now I want to write Evil!Elders to appeal to all of you pain-lovers
hey oz

Nice
If Eden didnāt blow up they would have moved onto electric blenders
ah i think i know which s word
yeah its censored in sky chat too
/or hand made grinder
i keep reading sword.....
/with spining bells as a turner thing
(I should be in class. But instead. I am talking about Evil!Elders and manta grinders. What a life)
No mom. I'm not going to tent my bed, im writing about lore! 
(BEFORE YOU ALL GO AFTER ME I'M ON BREAK)
oz.... did i manage to dm u?
/if they actually manage to make manta grinder
Just bc I want to imagine. Do you know how SCARY Evil!Elders would be? Teth would murder you on-sight. The twins... well. I wouldn't suggest fighting them.
There is no throne....for the prince...
Just council seats at vault and shrines to the elders...
remember you can always ___________________________them
maybe he sat where we do, in front of them

