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I know
/also how rain works?
I was wondering why
rain is from gw
clouds?
are there any existing theories on clouds glowing
I wanna disprove something tonight
I wanna disprove something tonight
/oof a bit rough there pyre
but it is sooo fun
the art of thinning the lore herd
refining the theories
that is the jewel
of the lore channel
sooo
what we got
If red reflects tools, maybe that's why clouds go red? If you touch clouds, you charge using them and ooooooooh I bet I know what Eden was for
Wait, clouds go red?
yup
Eden may well be a cloud generator - designed to put light into the air for use by those around it
š³
I thought that too, the clouds seem to be coming from it
but isn't a symbol of evil?
As even rocks come from it
if you get close to a cloud and have a good look it turns orange
It's probably something good turned evil
yup
for clouds glowing (i assume you are talking about them reflecting light), it's probably due to the water droplets in them reflecting off light in many directions
clouds going red? i've only see them go red when you try to step into barriers, at least that's what i think since i usually get knocked away by the red part of the clouds (in forest at least)
I still think clouds r made from precipitation in sky
they're
I think
not the same thing
evaporation is a liquid changing into a gas precipitation is a solid changing into a gas (i got it wrong oops)
oops
got it upside down
but still u get my point
the rocks r chipped off of the mountain
eden is a gate way to orbit
nothing else
Oh wow
(i'm not sure about the precipitation thing please correct me if i'm wrong LOL)
so you think the clouds are the rocks are chipped off the mountain...?
It's actually the rain that gives me the most trouble; shouldn't the water take your energy too??
They are literally made of the same stuff
Unless it's the motion of the rain that takes your energy?
That seems to be the difference
for me, i think that the rain is the evaporated wasteland/factory discharge
Wouldn't the clouds drain your energy if that was the case?
The clouds giving rain
Not all clouds
the mushrooms clean up the dirty water on the ground
and the clouds seem to absord and distribute light
magic clouds
pollution on the level of wasteland wont even dent the purity of clouds
I think
i think it would depend on the area
oh and guys the small jelly fish have a strange sparkle inside them
you don't depend much on clouds for the majority of wasteland and also forest's rainy areas now that i think about it
you don't depend much on clouds for the majority of wasteland and also forest's rainy areas now that i think about it
Yeah true
Also the only place you rely on clouds in forest has no rain
r u guys ignoring the jellyfish thing?
Am I?
so i can't really say for sure that the clouds in those areas are of polluted water or not
small jellyfish? what do you mean?
What do you think we should name it
just wanted to wrap up the cloud topic
a scientific name
For fun
super fun
I think we need to observe the buildings more
Like how I just found out today that the forest door has the secret to making darkstone
i see 
Chrysaora genus
I love how yall came up with scientific names, makes it a lot more fun honestly 
What is the genus
Sounds like coruscant
ha
great sound track
I play binary sunset every day in sky
ok
now lets vote
Chrysaora coruscent
more ideas r still welcome until
-
= 3
I literally see 3
why do I see 2



Jellybois
Now 4
Sure
I see 3 as well
I think we should take things slow...
architecture of sky
I was thinking of documenting stuff first
lets give them all a name
not just the famous ones
like the citadel
aka the orrery
even the little ones
Hmm

The thing on top of the prairie temple door... Does anyone have any ideas to what it is???
It looks like a bull to me
pic pic pic
me 2...ā¦..
lets do the naming of the buildings tomorrow
when we can get visual confermation
I will remind all of u when I log in tomorrow
I think looking at the designs will also tell us more about which side of the war the realms were on
today we do military!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
yayayayayayayayayay
ok as far as we know
the army wears green
scouts wear black
the navy wears blue(?)
Vault persons wear blue right
Actually
I think they wore according to their allegiance
Either to the king or to megan
hhhhmmmmmmm
yeah
and there is standardized GI equipmet for soldiers too.
they get this white cape
most get helmets
lookouts don't get weapons
sword/spear
and always a shield
for the rank and file soldiers
see the graves
the battle of the battlefield seems to have been fought over a series of forts
seeing that there r barricades and most of the graves on the ground surrounding the fort r sun shield graves
we can assume that it was a siege
the diamonds were in the fort
and the suns were outside
firework artillery staffs were probably used to drive away the krill guarding the forts
and were prob also used to bring down the fort
military haircuts did exist (lookout scout)
but free hairstyles seems to be allowed to generals and spies
admirals were expected to go down with his or her ship
(the admiral salutes his troops from the sinking warship the life boats escape the wreckage)
we know the fire work artillery staffs were weapons because first, they cost waaaaaaaaay too much to be just a stick that shoots bursts of light
and second because that was the only thing the soldiers had on them at shipwreck
trenches were probably dug to escape the wrath of the krill and to create defilades from fire work staffs
and then created were the agile swordsman who jumped into the trenches and slaughtered the clumsy spearmen with their long spears
trade ships were converted to warships
so they had no weaponry of their own
but regiments of firework staff guys were stationed in the warships to destroy a fort from above
we know that forts were made earlier than warships because if warships existed first forts would be no use
to stop the advance of the sun army`s advance krills were placed higher in the atmosphere in passes to protect the wastelands from war ship attacks
the forgotten ark was likely collateral damage
remember this is just a theory
but probably the right one
we know that the wastelands were already a militarized zone before the war because the statues and the warrior like helmets already present in valley
the war was most likely an uprising of isle prairie and forest
damn
Woah
Idk if this was pointed out before but here's an evidence that the spirit used swords as weapons and not spears only
Also catapults
If you think about it sky kids are pretty strong
They can trigger a catapult by themselves and even open shut doors with the help of others
There were two separate groups of people who fought, one group used spear and one group used swords.
No
Are there anymore swords on battlefield? I never tried looking for some
Just very big intimating spears
Also There's a sword display in eden trophy room
I mean that small room where you find 1 Winged light
The war in wasteland was a civil war
I Know that much just thought they used spears since one of the cutscenes shows spirits with spears...I think
I don't watch the vault cutscenes too often
This is what I think happened:-
They wanted more and more power diamonds, but for that they needed light too, so the King ordered the people to use the light creatures ( like mantas, butterflies, etc) as a material. Some people went against this statement, they wanted to save the precious creatures which they had.
That's how they got divined into two groups, the one which supported the King and the one which was against. I think the which supported King was team moon and the one's against were team sun. (That's what I call them)
The against group started a war since the king's team wasn't agreeing to not sacrificing light creatures. The wasteland elder, was supposed to fight on the king's side but during the war, he changed sides, he went from team moon to team sun since he later realised how cruel it is to kill the creatures just to make power diamonds.
You made this?
yes
Better share it in #completed-sky-fanart-and-creations but you did a really great job
That's soooo goooood
Wait guys what happens when you complete eye of Eden?
Be literally never been able to do it itās really frustrating
Ive*
Thanks Iāll take your word for it
Are you new to the game btw?
Better in #questions-and-help
@hushed steeple if you are struggling, you could ask for an Eden Uber in #looking-for-group-live . it's late in the week though, so you will likely have to finish on your own. (Don't worry, they'd drop you off at the point where skill is no longer needed for story purposes)
Thank you
I keep thinking that you have to survive but the entire point is literally to die
Are there anymore swords on battlefield? I never tried looking for some
@trim vale
The weapons/shields in wasteland
First Area:
2 spears (most likely)
Graveyard:
1 Sword
Battlefield:
6 Sun shield (one is broken)
6 Diamond shield
9 Swords
11 Spears
Temple:
1 Spear
1 Sun shield
You'll also see that one sunshield is pierced by spear and one diamond shield also pierced by spear. Which shows that both factions used spears (+ which is why there are a lot of spears)
And also gw elder used sunshield and diamond shield bothš
In temple we see sunshield but in mural we see diamond shield
It should also be noted that the shields and spears are in Ancient Greek style. Since those battles typically ended at the first injury or death unless they were fighting over something very important, that says a lot about what happened in Battlefield
Back when I thought there were multiple light children, I thought it was about the technology of the Eden diamond being used to send the sick stars home
At risk of... Well... What actually happened
Which does he have in cutscene again?
Hmm... So the elders are all marked with diamonds (tsadi included), but ultimately Tsadi turned towards the sun...
I wonder if the elders orriginally turned because they, in their aware forms, are darkstone tech themselves
Forest temple factory before and after powering it on. I still wonder how it works

And how does it still work? This technology is at the very least several decades old. This was built to last and its amazing that it does
I wonder if the Eldersā influence helps to preserve them, since they can clearly impact the world around their shrines
Possible
It was built by an expert... But things built by experts for experts may sometimes need more maintenance because experts tinker
Uh network fail
Not sure what is getting sent at the moment
Ok now that's said for sure:
Though maybe that's part of the why. It's Teth's factory. Their home and prison. Their brainchild. If an elder can influence that large of an area like Overly Friendly Crypted suggests, maybe that's all Teth spent their time on.
:0
I still dunno how to oob there i accidentally went there once
The hammer could be made of light?
Seems soš
Or maybe neutral but teth can buff it up with her powers??
Not sure tbh im just thinking how she can hammer the material without ruining it (like if the hammer was made of darkness then it will probably corrupt/destroy the buttefly juice)
When you enter the 3rd area of forest and the saw the first spirit you'll see has a bow
Bro remember how teth calls her hammer in cutscene.... Ngl reminds me about thor
Teth may be a bit of a jerk and Iām still salty about it, but they do know how to act cool

You're not the only one here who is still salty

Ngl I think their action is reasonable to me. Imagine being stuck in solitute and without anything to fix the power diamonds for a very very long time. Then this child appears with a flame. I dont blame her for getting excited that her life's work was finally done and she can finally have some sort of peace and accomplishment
Shows how overly dedicated she is to her work
She was so overjoyed
Compared to yeetus x2
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I guess thatās fair. And TGC tried to make us perceive Teth like how a lot of teenagers perceive adults, so⦠definitely a fair reaction, weāre just also meant to be salty
Yeetus x2 kindaa won me over though. Yeah they took the flame but like... They asked first and then got caught up in their own competition
is p accurate
And then the music laughs at them so
Maybe it helps that the twins did see us. They acknowledged US and clearly saw us as important enough to try to impress. Yeah, they forgot that, but the light wasn't their only foucus
Hahah
Btw dont think this is lore related but im scared if its poop related somehow??
I found another one of those rainbow clocks on the side of forest temple [ before u enter]
Anyone knows if it was there before?
Btw dont think this is lore related but im scared if its poop related somehow??
I found another one of those rainbow clocks on the side of forest temple [ before u enter]
@tender dune
D you have pics?
Lemme go inspect š§
I dont have table to stand sadly
My guess it's just a bug
Swords in eden
That's the trophy room, right?
Ginko, was that clock stone just before the forest temple doors?
yes
It just seems to be there whether or not you stop the rain, but no idea why 
same, i sadly dunno how to read it to wait for whatever its counting
Think itās broken like the daylight prairie one
i guess its just like what ignis said, a bug 
The other one in forest actually had a glowing spot which clearly marked 5am/pm
What does the clock even do?
Ik the one in prairie means the mushroom ring thing but idk about forest
Sadly yeah its broken
The one in forest would count the rainbow appearing taiga
if im not mistaken the one in praire is also broken, it used to tell the time for the arrival of a boat that appears which u can ride but its been removed
the mushroom rings appears every 10 mins in a hour or something like that
I never even saw a rainbow in forest i-
its above the fireplace you'll probably see stuff in #screenshots-and-videos since this topic is not lore related
@normal berry update, i found two spawn plates in prairies
three if you count the one in the caverns
#screenshots-and-videos message in the vault cutscenes the elders have not shiny clothes. esp forest. in the forest cutscene eg u can see shiny diamond patterns on her clothes
are these elders bowing just memory imprints?
or the diamond embellishment on their clothes is temporary
Wdym?
Iām confused
look at their clothes. theyāre different from the cutscenes after they accepted skidsā light
eg. in forest, she takes the light and in the next shot you can see shiny patterns on her clothes. but in this vault cutscene it switches back to just white & blue clothes ie before taking skidās light
i couldve grabbed more ss but that takes time
i mean in the vault cutscene, all eldersā clothes (excl vault) are the same as in previous cutscenes before skids give them light
because these clothes look v different after we give them light. the āafterā clothes arent shown in vault cutscene
Their clothes change colour because they have no light. Its been years since they saw any light and its led to them getting extinguished (kinda like how when were out of energy were just all black)
Elders like the forest and isle elders used that light to light themselves up. Vault elder didnt use that light on herself, instead she just let you put it in some power diamond.
Valley elders didnt use that light on themselves too ( from what i can remember,i could be wrong)
Yeah the valley elders never even touched it XD
Also abt them going back to normal in the vault cutscene: they dont seem like their made completley of light (skids are basically the embodiment of light lol) so id assume they'd have to be in places with light to stay in that lit up form. Though it doesnt seem like it affects them if they have none :/
Plus the amount light we gave them is incredibly small so it was probably temporary.
They may have also turned off their glow after we left, since they recieved so little and had no way to get more
I still feel really bad for Lamed though... We get up there and have so little to offer them
She looked sad in the cutscene
They are all lit up when you call upon them in orbit though. Maybe its because orbit is a part of megan and shes basically lights itself
i feel like the cutscene of vault is a pre-recorded message for us, the history of the civilization, their past and tragedies summarized with sigils and images, the connections to the constellations and their symbolism. sort of like a golden record if you will
i just wanna comment how pretty the elders hair is when it glows
Ye it might be a pre recorded message
The hair glows??- i thought it was only the outfit
do elaborate
I think the Elders operate like a lot of older pagan gods; theyāre never entirely in one place, but you can contact them through an area that has a large āimprintā of them (ie : temples for Greek and Roman, clearings for Celtic, et cetera)
So part of them is in Orbit, and part of them is in their temple, and part is wherever the majority of them is (since we kinda teleport somewhere else for the cutscenes)
makes sense. That would fit the description of "outside time and space". And it could explain why their connection to Orbit is weak until we help their spirits - spirits are probably the one to provide that connection for us to use
Well the elders seem like their made of,,,stone?? So maybe thats why they dont fully glow bc they cant absorb alot of light
Actually!!! Science fact here!!!! Earth is REALLY REALLY good at absorbing light and heat. What itās not good at is retaining it!
And that would make sense with them losing our light so quickly 
And fit a lot of darkstone contraptions
Idk how light can affect them either. It seems like it only gives them a bit of strength and a shiny outfit but nothing more
It helps Daleth and Tsadi a lot though
Daleth can barely walk until you give them your light, and Tsadi falls over entirely before your Skid goes to help them
True,, daleth is pretty old so i get him needing the light in order to survive
perhaps their disconnection to orbit/the light weakens them
If they are stone though, I def like the implication that the elders, as stars, were given stone bodies. Likely this was by the ancestors, who lacked the ability to return the stars on their own
They seem blocky n stuff so thats why i think there bodies are made of stone
Same way skids are made of clay
perhaps the king's exposure to corruption sped up this process, and eventually his presence was destroyed
imo both us and the elders have tangible manifestations
not necessarily "bodies"
Thatās fair, especially since whenever we die our bodies are always fully repaired
Yeah, kinda like were givin a body to posses
Also, tagia, is that pfp you have a picrew? 
yes pls!!
thank youu
In early early beta there were some shell-ish Skids on Isle beach, and you walked around as one until you were given your light. Thatās kind of why I like the theory that Skids are made from Alephās body, but not their light or soul
Our bodies arent from alef, the stars you collect are
To best explain my theory is to compare it to gems from su, as much as i don't enjoy that its the most accurate comparison. basically we are a projection of our soul/mind if you will. however it has mass so we can interact with the world
May I just say I love reading everyoneās different theories so much, this is why Iām addicted to lore 
From what i see it: megan gives you a body, but your pretty much lifeless. The WG you collect gives you life
I love it too
Aw thanks!! Im not that confident with my theories too sooo
It would be boring if everyone's opinion was the same
Wg?
actually tagia, your theory lines up quite well with why alef cannot be saved
Also this opens back up the door to the war in wasteland Eden being about sending stars home vs a very bad idea
(The later was true, sadly, but the ancestors would have wanted so badly to help their star friends)
WL is supposed to be the prince's (or the king,its up to u lmao) memories scatterd all over the realms as his last hope to save the kingdoms
Although prince isnt really in the game, he looks alot like skids so maybe the wl are his memories and not the kings
tbh i use prince/king interchangeably
Wait maybe its the same person but with diffrent bodies

however I use "prince" for pre crowned prince and "king" for post crowned prince
in one concept the king was basically prince's mech suit
you can see a little shape of the prince in the kings "head"
Both have a star as their head right?
imo the prince has a star mask, but that could very well be his head idk
my prince re design has emo hair lol
Is there some sort of dictionary for this channel? XD there's so many names and stuff thrown in that I don't understand at all
we got the lore moth document that explains the basics
Where can I find that?
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And donāt be afraid to ask questions if youāre confused, Kam
Thank you so much! 

Well, we believe it was over something really important
I have multiple theories, but I would need some anchors to give you a single naritive
I need to know what theoretical timeline we are in cause like... My theories are all over the place.
Is Megan considered a problem or not in this timeline? Is Megan capable of mind control? New one: are the elders light stored in stone to try to help them when ancestors can't help them the right way (cause they are planet bound)?
Imo forest was used for mining light to manufacture power diamond cores, golden wasteland was used to press on the darkstone shell, hence the pollution
With the King, I kinda see the King being the Prince before the fall of the stars, and only became King when they became the ruler of Civilisation
I have this theory that when "darkness" (the fall of the Elders and spirits' civilization) came Wasteland was the last stand before Vault. Vault is important for 2 reasons: it's the place where knowledge and records of the spirit civilisation resides, where the wise lived and dedicated their lives to erudition, a literal vault of knowledge (no pun intended), wisdom and culture so it has a symbolic meaning attached to it besides its "library" function; also because darkness could find its way to Eden which, according to my theory, is on top of Vault (Vault being inside the huge mountain we see along our journey, while Eden being the castle and a little bit of surrounding area-what we call Eye of Eden before entering Storm).
One thing thatās always bothered me is the fact that not a lot of vault is visibly damaged, compared to both wasteland and Eden. Where could vault be located in such a way that its supposed surrounding realms are all damaged but not vault itself? Or rather, what sort of enemy would have Eden as its priority and not care for vault at all, thus ignoring it?
im starting to think vault is like white palace
esp the bit when u go back to starting point after uncovering something crucial
blue palace
I think the Vault is destroyed... What we see is the basement of that intaxt (mostly, there are crabs down there too)
It's floors above are mostly lighted by the "light of the past" and are enriched by some kind of giant memory lantern mechanism which get us closer to Lamed (its Elder)
We see too spirit/cosmic mantas
And the place where we met Lamed is infact, being destroyed by the storm... (As we can see later in the Eyeof Eden before seeing the Castle floating in stratosphere)
Good point, but Vault is pretty damaged. On the first floor we see the 2nd floor platforms half-buried in the sand. The archives are also a good example as we see broken walls and dark crabs. Besides, a baby spirit manta died, in Vault we learn the "pray" emote next to a tombstone and we also have the assembly of Elders at the end with Vault elder being the saddest of them (which means that she is aware of what happened and still happens).
After we finish reliving Vault we ended up in another section of the Vault. Semi destroyed ... With the power diamond of the elevator back to its original destroyed shape... IMHO we were living a dreamlike Vault (after all it was originally called Night)
After we finish reliving Vault we ended up in another section of the Vault. Semi destroyed ... With the power diamond of the elevator back to its original destroyed shape... IMHO we were living a dreamlike Vault (after all it was originally called Night)
@boreal nebula
Exactly
I like to think she is sad for all the deaths and destructions that surround her realm (outside the defences put up by Tsadi, WL Elder) but since her realm duty came first she had to keep her stance there, to safeguard the Knowledge and CultureS from getting lost as all the rest
i feel like she would, given she understands and knows the most
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ah yes.
Once upon a time, there were elders and a King, then everything got destroyed, the end(jk)
Well, you're not wrong.
No one knows anything for certain, thatās important to keep in mind
yeah
Except for what the devs have revealed
which is little
Yes. I like to think that when we come to meet her we have this power diamond. She looks at it not only understanding that these things are the key element that brought the fall of their civilisation, but also explaining it to us. The thingy floats upwards, foreshadowing the Eden diamond.
Maybe she could... But I'm more lean on "she couldn't". Her skills were about knowledge, she was a bookworm... And wouldn't have much ground/strength to withstand the effort
(I'm just here eating these lore theories like šæ)
Hope I made myself clear. It's late for me and Morpheus & Lamed summon me to sleep 
I'm not here to be a Lore Moff I just wanna know the basic run-down on what the lore is. That's it, that's all.

(I'm just here eating these lore theories like šæ)
same
Goodnight! 
Night tebkanlo!
Nighty night!
@boreal nebula
And oof, the lore is hard to explain, I don't know everything but I'll try
Oof whats the topic abt?
yeah
I'm not here to be a Lore Moff I just wanna know the basic run-down on what the lore is. That's it, that's all.
you can find some canon lore in the pins, the rest are all theories
So the stars that fell in the begginging were the elders, and they aparently started a kingdom in the clouds with the cloud people, they harnessed the energy of the light and made it into power diamonds to make technologycal advances (flying boats and gates and other stuff)
The King was the King
But then something happened, everything got corrupted, and the civilization fell
But yeah, the lore is pretty much up to anyone, but I think these are the basics I could be wrong about this
the kingdom likely existed for thousands of years as per the chinese intro
i wonder if i could ask Hage to include the eng, chi, and japanese intros in the canon lore doc
And we know that the power diamonds were related to the Eldersā downfall, but not how or why
i havenāt seen them online in a while 
ya i thought the elders are stars that fell too
((christ, we need a mossbag in this community))
And our mission is to save what we can of the kingdom (spirits' memories and bring back light to the fallen)
ya i thought the elders are stars that fell too
Confirmed by canon to be true
on one hand we need a mossbag but on the other i want lore to b vague tho
(coming from someone who doesnt know enough about religion and history (and a bit archaeology to dig through what happened) to speculate stories)
I want a slow reveal of canon lore and we just keep adjusting our theories and headcanons until everything TGC knows is out there in the wild
I think the reason the kingdom failed is bc they ran away from their problems instead of facing them, and yknow light cannot exist withought darkness so it explains why they failed so bad
And our mission is to save what we can of the kingdom (spirits' memories and bring back light to the fallen)
not necessarily save the kingdom. Just « bring our lost stars home » and « give light to the fallen »
i like applemeatās theory that king is a comet
But which are the lost stars? I thought the winged light weren't stars anymore
damn i learned astronomy
Brick, if you request edit on a document, it should send Hage an email with any information you put in the request.
Well, that's our way of saving (parts of ) it, that's why I said "what we can" > not necessarily save the kingdom. Just « bring our lost stars home » and « give light to the fallen »
@lethal stump
But which are the lost stars? I thought the winged light weren't stars anymore
the stars are the elders
the elders are locked out of spacetime tho.
if megan the one who locked them out...
crackpot theory that megan wants elders home but skykids r actually delivery bois for elders to send a letter saying āno thank youā
Yo what was the kings purpose tho?
Cause Problems On Purpose
wahaha I'm back from the dead
also good morning peeps
All i know is that hes a king and that he got corrupted 
anyway why are the stars radiating from a personās head at the start?
maybe the lost stars that we have to bring back home are the fallen? in Orbit, we see the statues we saved go up in the sky
Yo what was the kings purpose tho?
@inner comet
In my opinion he was the Eden elder, the ruler of the Sky kingdom. Just my theory btw
oh yeah! before u collect acs, they fly up to the sky and becomes stars
Hm true
But i was talking abt what he does n stuff
Unlike the other elders we dont know that much abt him
We know that we can't save the Eden elder, I think
We do see a lot of King statues and symbols and shapes throughout the realms
king propaganda !
you are not immune to propaganda
I am
Heyo
what if the king doesnt exist and is just a propoganda
Well, I like to think that he was the one responsible for the ultimate fall of the kingdom. The spirits toyed around with the power diamonds and may have contributed to the decline of the realms, but the final push was his. Like he wanted to take the whole civilisation to the next level by creating a huge ultra-mega-hyper power diamond (don't know if that may be the true reason though. He may have gotten greedy and wanted to prove himself by establishing his Eden even further as the greatest realm of them all, the crown jewel of Sky realms).
The king is a fairytale made up by Skids
I like your theory crystalchris
Me too
Maybe the King was the one who encouraged the spirits to toy around with the power of the diamonds
I like your theory crystalchris
@faint warren
Me too
@static spoke
Thank you!
Or maybe the King himself toyed with the diamonds and used that those to bring power to the civilization
and then went too far
Is the moff doc in the pinned messages?
Yes pls
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Thanks! 
I made a discovery today in regards to the king
We see 2 kinds of king in game. One with the 8 pointed star head (propaganda around the game), and one with the 3 pronged crown (vault mural).
The 3 pronged crown is from a rather old design of the king, and it makes me wonder...are there two different entities here, or is it one entity over time ? Is one of these the Prince, one of them the King ? Is it something else ? Iād love to hear your guysā thoughts on this discrepancy
These are the possibilities so far:
- 8 pointed star is the Prince, 3 pronged crown is the King
- 3 pronged crown is the Prince, 8 pointed star is the King
Maybe it's face vs hair
we only see the crown variant once in-game, right?
8 pointed star is the face, prominant in ancestoral matters. 3 prong crown is the hair, prominant in celestial matters
thatās quite the hair gel
moff hair is from Aleph's rebelios phase where he tried to have an identity that wasn't The Ruler
8 pointed star is the face, prominant in ancestoral matters. 3 prong crown is the hair, prominant in celestial matters
@short owl
Hmmm, interesting. I'd like to know more
It's really just guesses
but it occurs to me that a crown is more a hat than anything else, and the 8 pointed shape is shown to be the head in the concepts
... that is the extent of my logic
Where can u find concept art of the king?
Oo thank u!
but we see absolutely no remnant of the kings face, i dont think the hair/hat can cover to the side and bottom of the kings face
face*
Prince/King Concept Art Compilation by Bricky
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/751240480985055284
thanks Brick
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you'll have to screenshot everything
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Making this is what made me realize the discrepancy of the 8 pointed star and the 3 pronged crown
Prince/King Concept Art Compilation by Bricky
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/751240480985055284
@cold steppe we need someone who can pin this
i changed my mind after seeing the concept art compiled by bricky
does the king's castle have the 8 pointed star?
the castle ? in which depiction ?
the eden constellation, the last scene from the vault cutscene
the image does show an eight pointed star but i just wonder does any buildings in-game feature this
8 towers
I think wasteland temple has it
Wasteland temple has king propaganda on it, yes
wait, maybe 9 towers
Ill have to check
but does it specifically have a 8 pointed star on top of the buildings?
Itās nine
Okay, counting the bit in the middle, theres 9 towers
other than the statues
aside from the statues, no
ok, then this is really interesting
sorry to interrupt, but I have a question about the capes,,
go on
so can all sky people fly??? some have capes and some don't so I'm curious
Yes the middle is similar to a second spine. No, we have not gotten another box from cherry! The smol, yes I am sad about that.
I am treating this ts as evedence that our cape has independant movement
There is no way this thing can be following our arms through all these poses
thanks Bricky!!!
Don't our arms go somewhere in the cape?
itās not a poncho, the front is open
Oh yea š¤
ponchos have to be pulled over the head to wear
I think it might be sewed to our shirt
the eight towers and the beams that intersect through them seems interesting, especially given we see the only instance of four-pointed star figure on top of a building, and we see the familiar stance of the ancestors on the bottom, meditating or sitting. it almost feels like the king or the figure in the mural has been sealed by the eight towers, the recurrence of eight, the star symbolism and that the peak of the star is the source of the beam seems too good to be coincidental.
Or our hands since it moves with them
my image didnt get the eight towers, nooo
the cape may not be a physical object
itās been commonly put forward that itās made of light
we dont lose the cape when our light is drained though
we do in Eden
no i dont mean when we die
unless the cape is made of more light than the cosmetics items? but the cape itself is a cosmetics item??
Can we glide if we lose all our energy ?
I wonder what does the sphere symbolize
Could be the eden diamond
in old concepts, there was something called « The Flame » which looked like a ball in drawings
Is it pinned? Can I find these images?
The cape doesnāt have a shadow, so it isnāt made with earthly materials
You can find all concepts in the pins
ok
guys I have a huge theory
here it goes
there is a gap between the prairie, isle, forest and wasteland, valley, vault
the latter probably were king loyalists
the former were probably the sun shield guys...
the rebels
wasteland was probably a military base even before the war
b/c there r forts there
and forts take a loooooong time to build
and there r guardian statues
we know the valley wasteland and vault were loyalists because they have pro king propaganda
and use extensive amounts of diamonds
so my theory about the war is that the rebels steamrolled valley because there were no military installations there
the diamonds made krill to defent key entry points to wasteland
so isle converted trade ships
into warships
and put firework staff guys on the warships
we know fire work staffs r weapons
because that's the only non defensive thing the guys in shipwreck have
more krill were then placed in higher altitudes by the loyalists to stop the warships
that attacked the forts of wasteland from above
in battlefield
we see trenches
those were probably used to make defilades
from krill and fireworks
Hey Pyre
spear phalanxes were used and the X shaped barricades suggest that there was a siege
you can shift enter to put things in the same message
oh yeah
or start with ``` and then erase those when you're done
this makes the text block larger
yeah please do, i usually archive theories and on mobile i have to copy everyline
Wait you have an archive
well some of them
so anyways the swordsmen were shock troops that jumped into the trenches
not complete at all
is it publically accessable?
Pyre, could you write this all in one message please ?
not yet, that is the project i have been working on, eventually will get turned into a site if i get a server running
If not in discord, then use a separate application to write then copy-paste to here
beware of character limits though, but i don't think it would apply in this case
right now it is literally messages copied to a server of mine
what are the latters?
server i mean discord server
Latters ?
Pyre said something about latters being king loyalists
how long do you think it will take to scroll back and read every message to the beginning of this channel?
the latter, that means the first thing listed
if someone do it, it will be me
Quite a while
if not weeks or months
i will do it
the latter, that means the first thing listed
@lethal stump I still donāt get it ;0
no need to ping
sorry
there is a gap between the prairie, isle, forest and wasteland, valley, vault
the latter probably were king loyalists the former were probably the sun shield guys... the rebels wasteland was probably a military base even before the war b/c there r forts there and forts take a loooooong time to build and there r guardian statues we know the valley wasteland and vault were loyalists because they have pro king propaganda and they use extensive amounts of diamonds so my theory about the war is that the rebels steamrolled valley because there were no military installations there the loyalists made krill to defent key entry points to wasteland so isle converted trade ships into warships and put firework staff guys on the warships we know fire work staffs r weapons because that's the only non defensive thing the guys in shipwreck have more krill were then placed in higher altitudes by the loyalists to stop the warships that attacked the forts of wasteland from above
In battlefield we see trenches those were probably used to make defilades from krill and fireworks... spear phalanxes were used and the X shaped barricades suggest that there was a siege
the swordsmen were shock troops that jumped into the trenches because that's what theyre good for fighting in small spaces
all soldiers seem to get a white cape
and chain mail-y things on their heads
So if i said,
« do you want muffins or bagels »
and someone replied « iāll take the latterĀ Ā» that means they want bagels
i am more concerned about new messages popping up where i scroll back
ok guys there it is
i should make a checkpoint on the latest message i started with
pls attack any part of it so we can improve it
probably symbolizes purity
but we have no observable evidence that soldiers wear white capes
remember vault valley and wasteland are allied
the one soldier we see whoās caped has a green cape
nnot those capes
do you mean a cape like Tsadiās ?
Joy, i think the latter here refers to the collection of nouns after the and composition
I bet Tsadi's wasn't always white
the former is then the collection prior to the and composition
latter refers to wasteland, valley. vault in this context, former refers to prairies, isle, forest
ooh ok
how long do you think it will take to scroll back and read every message to the beginning of this channel?
@hushed steeple you can read the pins to jump to the very first message of the channel
The first discussion had here was about forest rain
we still donāt see soldiers wearing capes like that though
only tsadi
imo it implies his very high rank over the soldiers
since only he has a cape like that
who is Pyre?
we talking about soldiers from before and during the āwarā?
yup
that misses the point though, the point is to retrieve every publicly posted theory and log them into a database
pyre is a legendary theorizer
the white semi capes
on every soldier
bricky
there is a gap between the prairie, isle, forest and wasteland, valley, vault
the latter probably were king loyalists the former were probably the sun shield guys... the rebels wasteland was probably a military base even before the war b/c there r forts there and forts take a loooooong time to build and there r guardian statues we know the valley wasteland and vault were loyalists because they use extensive amounts of diamonds so my theory about the war is that the rebels steamrolled valley because there were no military installations there the loyalists made krill to defent key entry points to wasteland so isle converted trade ships into warships and put firework staff guys on the warships we know fire work staffs r weapons because that's the only non defensive thing the guys in shipwreck have more krill were then placed in higher altitudes by the loyalists to stop the warships that attacked the forts of wasteland from above
In battlefield we see trenches those were probably used to make defilades from krill and fireworks... spear phalanxes were used and the X shaped barricades suggest that there was a siege
the swordsmen were shock troops that jumped into the trenches because that's what theyre good for fighting in small spaces
lets get back to this
anything wrong with this theory?
pyre is a legendary theorizer
@hushed steeple oh and thank u lambdaw
Isle has propaganda in it as well, would that not make it loyalist as well ?
hmm
where in vault is there king propaganda?
yeah but they diamonds aren't a big part of their lives....
I did a propaganda run, only Valley, Vault, and Eden do not have propaganda
ima erase the propaganda thing
how do you do a propaganda run?
study the murals
you run through the game finding all the propaganda you can
but anyways u think army gets green
sounds like i found my new favorite passtime
spies get black
in valley elder oob the top of it looks like king head
same lambdaw
and navy gets nothing?
in regards to capes, i personally donāt believe they are meant to represent profession
dunno if u can see it clearly oop
in a headcanon of mine, capes are used by ancestors who cling to old traditions of before the elders came
an black too
referred to as « natives »
hmmmmm

what ? no, natives are the same species as ancestors
but that means megan made them too
they just believe differently
just like how first nations and, say, russians are the same species
all the ancestors were
ohhhhhhh the Anima medius
By ancestors you mean the elders? Sorry Iām kind of new to the game
ancestors are ancestor spirits
this is where scientific names come in useful
u can say spirits
sprits mean theyre dead
Anima medius
means when they were alive
spirits does not mean that necessarily though
spirits does not mean that necessarily though
@hushed steeple ?
so they have a live body sleeping somewhere else?
i never knew there were scientific names
we made them like a few days ago
People here created scientific names
took up a few days
Theyāre not official
in my theory, ancestors were made by megan and put onto the world of sky
they lived without the elders for a while, having their own cultures, civilizations, etc.,
then the elders came, and with them brought lots of social reforms. the way the elders ran things compared to the ancestors meant that many cultures and practices died out, either by force or simply naturally
natives refers to ancestors who have held onto old culture and practices and whoās lineage has remained in their realm since before the elders
this is all my headcanon, mind you. just something i made up to explain capes
pygmy mantas are best mantas you can't change my mind
What are capes made of? You donāt see their shadow
yes
no, spirits could simply refer to beings
TGC had trouble rendering shadows for capes so they cut them
there r small purple jellyfish in the ice rink guys
a common theory is that capes are made of light
however the lack of shadow is because of game restraints
i dont know how to explain it but in english spirits is misleading
we need to name them
guuuuuuuuuuuuys
they only accompany you going to Orbit
there r small purple jellyfish in the ice rink
lemme see
we need to name them
Purple?
it has heavy connotations for something non-physical, but that is not all that it can mean
I didn't notice they were purple
different from the small yellow ones
Thought they were yellow
no
I wanna seee
Iāll have to check next time Iām there
Oh some people might associate spirit with soul and in that case it can sorta be misleading

Do you have a picture?
the purple ones r even smaller
there is honestly no words i can use in english to explain it
I cant take a pic right now
Sad
expedition team pls
some one could go....
i volunteer
@sinful anvil i need your help explaining the word spirit
spirit is even more misleading in korean
doubles as soul
I think
pls guys someone check out the small purple jellyfish in the ice rink
i didnt find any
whereās the ice rink? Iām valley?
huh
see
might just be a bug pyre
and the yellow jellyfish is bigger
ok then not purple
the medium sized ones?
that isnt purple
They look blue for me :0
I know sorry
Theyāre purpley bluey white
idk why that would warrant a whole new name
but they don't glow like the Chrysaora coruscent
go near them
they do glow
but not like the Chrysaora coruscent
they are probably still small , thats why they dont glow much
aw...ā¦.
they look like theyāre just juvenile versions of the other jellies
yep exactly
ok then
Wait... ahahah @topaz girder I just realized youāre broke whale fangirl 


So have any of u theorized on the 7th elder?
I mean, idk if thereās a 7th, I only got the idea because at the beginning of the game, 7 stars fall and at the end of vault we are also shown a 7th constellation
thƩ 7th elder is likely the eden elder, the Prince/King
Yes
hi
Yeah thatās what I thought too, but we never get to see them, not even at the end? Did something happened to the elder?
The Eden elder isnāt around to be saved anymore
Elder wants us to mind our own business
Lmao
The Eden elder is supposedly still in the game and influencing it, just not appearing
I think
He can be seen thru murals and statues
:0
yep
What... happened... to #looking-for-group-live ?
Oh I think itās back to normal now
what happened?
idk lol
Lol people were chatting on there, I feel like thatās pretty unusual for that channel
The order was disturbed

please keep discussion about sky lore, thank you
please do not use this channel as an emoji dump
kriiiiiiill army!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
What realmās history/backstory is most canon right now?
itās all rather vague
pyre did it
If your question is "what realm do we kknow the most about", then I'd have to say... hmm... Maybe wasteland?
he is my brother
?
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pls
Even if I did believe you, I wouldnāt care. This channel is not for emoji dumping
back to the topic
We have reason to think we know why crabs are crabby, and what caused most of the destruction (a war). While we lack information about the krill and the fallen creatures, the final cutscene does suggest a hunt had occured, and we do know that the krill are hungry for light and willing to eat (living) ancestors
oh yeah
:0
text block coming...
there is a gap between the prairie, isle, forest and wasteland, valley, vault
the latter probably were king loyalists the former were probably the sun shield guys... the rebels wasteland was probably a military base even before the war b/c there r forts there and forts take a loooooong time to build and there r guardian statues we know the valley wasteland and vault were loyalists because they use extensive amounts of diamonds so my theory about the war is that the rebels steamrolled valley because there were no military installations there the loyalists made krill to defent key entry points to wasteland so isle converted trade ships into warships and put firework staff guys on the warships we know fire work staffs r weapons because that's the only non defensive thing the guys in shipwreck have more krill were then placed in higher altitudes by the loyalists to stop the warships that attacked the forts of wasteland from above
In battlefield we see trenches those were probably used to make defilades from krill and fireworks... spear phalanxes were used and the X shaped barricades suggest that there was a siege
the swordsmen were shock troops that jumped into the trenches because that's what theyre good for fighting in small spaces
there we go
Pyre, you don't need to post the same theory twice
that war prob the war
for future reference, just link the original post rather than re-sending it
I thought there were new pplā¦...
Wait how do we know that wasteland soldiers are best at fighting in small spaces?
no swordmen
we donāt, itās their theory
not all the wasteland soldiers
maybe long range weapons were buried :0
We also know that at least one of the major buildings is a factory, which leaves some hints about other nearby buildings. We also know it is near what looks like it was a body of water, and it appears to have several pipes just laying around, suggesting that they were dumping waste proucts from diamond production.
swordsmen in general
This would naturally lead to environmmental isssues
yeah
š¤i have a question tho, srry if it sounds dumb and very off topic but
When weāre delivering the ālightā or the āflameā to the elders... the place, is it really in the physical world? Or idk spiritual realm
There are still tons of questions like "what were they fighting over" and "what did the symbols stand for" that can only be answered in theory, but there's enough to go off of to at least understand the majority of the current wasteland
Joy, it's "outside of space and time"
:0 I knew it
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Some of us call it "time out". I don't remember which of us started it
It looks like the first person was Ri: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/734447649410777149
The next mention may have been Jay, but that was three days later (https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/735439397910216705)
timeout because the elders acted like bad kiddos
so king put them in permanent time out
Whatās the lore surrounding megabird/megan?
Imo, Megabird put them in timeout
Dang mustāve been a cruel timeout cuz when we find them, they b lost hopeless and kind of broken
the king was in no way an « adult » figure towards the elders
what is it like to b in timeout tho? driven mad by isolation?
heās just a spiteful child in a mech
I was just kiddng lol
read about prisoners in solitary confinement, that might give you an idea, Palechild
plot twist
smiley is megabird
so basically isolation being a beast
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/hi guys any new theories ~~or am i in just when lore chat's about to be ded
~~
scroll up^^
i have a personal theory that we are just eden's ancestor spirits turned into skykids (assuming prince and king are rly scrapped)
or the prince is an ancestor spirit
im bad at theories so just wanna throw smth wild
/wait so prince isn't cannon???
/well at least megan's canon
/uh? Several people?
/wrong chat i believe?
Hm...okay
/anyways, pretty sure that's the fireworks staff
/nooooo bricky you crop out teth srsy???
i didnt need all the elders in the image

/yea okay, how about making the arrows red so that it stands out?
it would mess with the colour scheme :((
hh okay fine
/what does hh mean
Honk Honk
Prince/King Concepts & In-Game
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