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more king propaganda 
Gratitude - Summer
Lightseekers - Rainy
Belonging - Autumn
Rhythm - Winter
Enchantment - Spring
Sanctuary - Summer
So7 - Rainy
So7

oh oh
Also, in wasteland, is the entire sea contaminated? Or is it just a really big lake or an inland see?
Yeaahhhh
they go away when our light is snuffed out
cape remains because it's permanently part light, because it's made from WL
everything else disappears though
But when we die , the cape dissappears , Cause, then there's not even a single particle of light left in us
We're pure darkness at that time, we become blue and blue in sky is darkeness
is the cape the brain of the skykid 
Do they even have one
without it we die
they need someone to show them how to nod
Contaminated
@broken basin
But that would mean everysea around the world is contaminated, unless the sea is somehow isolated from the other one
and how to cry
But they have imagination of their own too,
They make up the lvl 2 and 4 emotes themselves
which makes me think that skykids don't have emotions
They don't
they simply copy things they see from spirits
Definately
well to be fair. everyone needs someone to teach them to do anything. but theyre kinda just born from light instead of having parents
They seem pretty dumb
@broken basin I mean they are kids, a few years ago i did some very dumb things too
are skykids baby 🤔
That’s up to you, Blinky, it’s very vague for us to interpret
I think whoever made them, didn't put emotions and big brain cause their only work was to unite the elders. The maker feared that if he/she gave them brain they might make their own civilization and develop themselves
Is Eden causing the storm in the very beginning of wasteland too?
Up to you
100k that's actually really sad, your while purpose is to sacrifice yourself
you can call me wolf
Oki!
Well, we were made for a purpose and our only job is to do that

What if skykids were pepes
Feels good man (2)
thats actually kinda sad lmao
yeah skykids are created only to slurp wl to yeet the Eden skids back into the sky
Ok new theory
yeah skykids are created only to slurp wl to yeet the Eden skids back into the sky
@mellow sable
Sky but skykids are sponges
With the cape I guess
so sponges with capes
But that's a debatable question
I think cape helps us to fly but it too needs some power source to work
Amd that source is light
When you are out of energy you still have the cape, but u can't fly
Cause there's nothing to power the caoe
Why doesn't the sun recharge us

It's not correct to call it sun
/sun not real
You can call it our "host star"
/sun not real
@gilded fossilthatd scary
Sun is our solar system's host star
Why doesn't our host star recharge us 
We are not sure if they are in the same solar system
That's actually a genius questions though.
maybe the fire that recharge us isn't it exactly fire? Like it produces a different light?
but if the light reaches, wouldn't distance not matter?
/well, to be fair only place with a heck lot of sun are only 3
You don't simply recharge from the fire in forest home when you are in the forest temple
but if the light reaches, wouldn't distance not matter?
@hushed steeple
The host star (I'm gonna call to hostar to minimize) is powerful enough that some of its light beams perfore the big wasteland cloud blockade
so I think it's powerful enough to recharge us
Distance definately matters
But wait wait wait
Yeah
Why does the CLOUDS recharge us?
And it would be a bit of cheating if tge sun recharged us all the time
Last time I checked they don't shine unless you live next to Chernobyl
And it would be a bit of cheating if tge sun recharged us all the time
@broken basin yes my favorite game
Lore or gameplay mechanic
Maybe they are light clouds
Ok but why does the wind recharge us?
Maybe it's light wind
/the wind don't
Ok yeah I'm confused
/but birds go with the wind
Only the wind in citadel
If you get close enough to some of the invisible walls in game your light will recharge
Maybe that's fake wind
If you get close enough to some of the invisible walls in game your light will recharge
@red grove
Really?
Maybe that's fake wind
@broken basin
Sky sounds a little more like a Lovecraftian story now
@red grove
Really?
@broken basin yep!
Birds don't go with the wind, they fly in their own path
Amd there are different birds in sky
Only the wind in citadel
@broken basin /i thought it was due to the birds jusst flying around everywhere???
The Actual birds are the ones which we see in Prairie home, in the ark,
The ones flying in groups everywhere are something different
@broken basin /i thought it was due to the birds jusst flying around everywhere???
@gilded fossil
Nope the wind recharges us there
"the wind could be fake, be wary.
The elders weren't born. They have always existed and always will.
There could be a super God in the sky that absorbs all of the light but we are not sure "
Maybe the wind charges us there because of the giant gold things acting like a generator or something
The Actual birds are the ones which we see in Prairie home, in the ark,
The ones flying in groups everywhere are something different
@broken basin ok so birds are fake too
I know it
Also, hi lore chat
hi la! Hope you are having a great nightn
I mean study the stars and mainly study about the universe
Ooohh.. so that's what they were.. I've been wondering for so long
are you new, La ?
This is an actual armillary sphere
Kind of. I only lurk here sometimes
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/what's the sphere doing in citadel
whatever it wants you don't rule her

/what's the sphere doing in citadel
@gilded fossil
They are used to study the stars
/hmmmmmmm

/also along with the big one there's also smaller ones
/smaller ones dont have little ball in the middle
So, the chibi is a fixed height that is the same for everyone,
But how tall are they in cm?
Like
Are the sky kids giant or tiny?
Or human sized?
/well i guess office
/if we count office as cannon, and then scale the irl stuff in there with our size
I belive there was a photo of their size with was made by comparing the sky kids with height to the trophy table in the office and then calculating their Height with the help of the actual Height of the table
Ohhhhh
Thanks brick
skid heights !
/:D
Chibi is 2 feet 3 inches
Max is 3 feet 10 inches
So yeah that's smol
Forest elder is 12 feet
hhh elder heights are iffy
I'll try to calculate that today, usually the diameter of the sphere produced doesn't fit in the screen to measure it fully
/i will try later with tables
/why u type like this 
/style
this is okay
yeah see
skykids don't recharge with light
they recharge with heat
like a hot air balloon
so maybe the reason why clouds recharge skids is because the clouds trap heat (somehow)
But then butterflies are hot too, and spirit's are hot too and all other light creatures are hot? Since they all recharge us. WINGED LIGHT IS HOT TOO 👁️👄👁️
Even when u stand on fire you'll recharge. The more heat u get the quickly u recharge
Umm does anybody know what these flying spirit-like things are??
I've been wondering
Making theories about what's light and what's really the thing that recharge us when in reality hugs are the best way of recharging.
Perhaps that is what recharge us, being cared about. Even the animals seem to want us to succeed, with mantas taking you up and butterflies helping you as you honk to them. Everything in sky seems to care about you, I think that's beautiful
The light that recharges us is actually the warmth of care and kindness of others.
that's a nice thought.
/love is power guys
/we recharge through the power of friendship
/although clouds arent sentient
I just wanted to ask the same thing
Umm does anybody know what these flying spirit-like things are??
Anyway here are my snaps
If you think about it, sky kids are basically made out of the same material as stars. It does mention us as children of ancestors who did come from the stars. Maybe we are stardust and heat that emit light
they look like the spirits from the valley that follow us, except these are heading to eden
Interesting
Have you guys ever seen the area in eden right before rhe second stage of orbit with the huge castle?
where did u hear about skids being the same material as stars?
Not completely, but in the beginning of the game it says our ancestors fell from the stars or something. Dont take my word for it completely though
And when we die we do go through a similar black dwarf phase, just without the wierd gravity stuff
This is simply assumption though
its the elders that fell from the stars to that world, the ancestors are the spirits we meet and ascend, theyre different species
from what i know is that we're half connected and half indifferent
Wait they're different species?
I assumed elders were just more powerful spirits than the ones we meet
elders are definitely different from the spirits we meet
keep in mind the spirits we meet werent always spirits and used to be alive
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I think that skykids, spirits, and elders are all in some way connected to the stars/partially made of stars
all the canon lore doc technically says on that is that winged light aren't stars, and that skykids, spirits, and elders are different species
But I still think there's a very strong case for all three being made of stars in some form
The spirits always descend from constellations after we relive their memories
maybe the kids and elders, but not the spirits ...
So do our friends in the 'The Light' constellation
I just can't see why spirits descend from the constellations if they aren't related to stars
it probs means they used to live in that certain elder's world and contributed something there
like you wont see a praire spirit doing praire stuff in wasteland or something
I'm not suggesting that the spirits with their corporeal bodies are stars, btw, just that their actual souls(?) are connected to stars
We also see them flying through orbit with our skykid friends, and obviously they appear at the end of rebirth
yeah i understand 
also yeah I get that they are parts of the constellations, but I'm interested in why they appear as stars in the constellations
i was gonna say maybe the elder's used a few to represent that community (a head/boss) but then there were some spirits who's stories were very minimal or unrelated..
like the fainting guy 
or the whale/manta calls
hm I could see that being the case still
What does that mean for all the other non-constellation spirits though?
Are they just outside of the constellation?
hm?
not sure tbh
these spirits we meet tell a story of their memory, whether they contributed to the sky world or just show a past memory..
there are probably more spirits that actually have more info
but we dont have them;
realistically it's probably just a game mech ig
ye
I still am very confused about the whole way that stars are depicted though 
stars in the game in general
the whole concept of what is a star and what isn't is very inconsistent I think
yeah
at least with our current understanding of it anyway
Yea that's true, mentions of the elders and sky kids being fallen stars and spirits being included in constellations and as drop an said the idea of what a star is isn't actually specific but I guess maybe it's those particular fallen stars, maybe we become something when we become the fallen stars, and stars are just stars, just when they fall, they become either elders or sky kids and currently it's just sky kids that are technically fallen stars
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I’m gonna post a whole theory in a min so-
So the gw was once a desert oasis area as far as i have have looked. So my theory is that the king put in machinery or something like that (hence the wrecked pipes all over the gw) and the elder of gw didn’t like that and began to destroy it. The King found out and as punishment, corrupted the krill and used them to attack the gw. Afterwards, he abandoned the krill there. The reason the krill might be so hostile to skykids is that they remind them of the king that forced them to destroy the gw and attack the skykids. But that’s just my theory.
thats a cool idea
went oob-ing with friends and we saw the vault tree.. but not in the way its supposed to be 
i commented that from above it looked like the megabird
Where be that tree 
inside the platform where it grows in the cutscene 
(appoliges for spelling) Something that I alawas thougt about was that the sky kids started out as servents, or helpers to the spirets. If you look at the latters you can see that the main one in Valt is spiret sized, and deffently not made for someone sky-kid sized, but in the cave in Praire there is a latter deffently made for someone sky kid sized. I donno if they were exactly servents, but i think the latter size is deffently interisting.
is there any lore about how we can always see ||Eden|| in the distance?
going by mind control theory, why do spirits wave to whatever is up as if they are happy to return there?
A good show keeps us in line. Our partially dark bodies may make us hard to control directly, but we are not immune to propoganda
Plus... The world they are leaving was kind of inhospitable at that point
im not sure if they’re acting
but ya anywhere is sorta better than here
makes me wonder whether these spirits are literal ghosts but memories happy to get out of here
On top of that, regardless of if they are happy about where they wound up, we did just jump through a lot of hoops to help them. They'd be happy to see us even if it was on the highway to hell.
They size of furniture and architecture actually confused me sometime
Like the huge ladder in vault vs the regular size ladder in Daylight
If the elders were regular society members, it would make sense that giant sized stuff would accumulate over time as the elders needed to access things in a secure way and had stuff custom built to support them
Smaller sized stuff would likely be used instead by ancestors, who made up a larger portion of the population and still needed to access things on their own
Hi. Someone knows why we have a pentagram made of Pilar rocks in Isle?
anybody has the image of megabirb at orbit?
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Well, I took this image a while ago and someone asked and even though it’s in there, I’m including it here just because I want to post it.
i just thought this portal looks like a candle
Oh good, i'm not the only one.
I think it's a megabird mural
If you get close enough, you see this: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/742065234205868135
admittedly not great pics, but I would need table for better
A good show keeps us in line. Our partially dark bodies may make us hard to control directly, but we are not immune to propoganda
@short owl
@lost hull
Hehe
Oh no
Teach me your ways, master
King says otherwise
Brick is the king
The ways are simple. Brick made You are not immune and has all the files quick and ready. I made We are propoganda so it's on my machine already
Brick is immune to his own propaganda
i have all the Propaganda memes
I do not
I even have a masterpost of all the ones i’ve made/others have made
I only have 4 how many even are there
#promote-your-sky-content message
masterpost link
... I have to find concept twins that are in the same style of the king quickly
and there will only be more
as long as i have an editing program, there will be more
found it I think
oh ?
why the lore says The skulls and rib cages in the Graveyard are different from the light dragon/tuna king/whale skeleton (there’s a whale skeleton in forest clearing that gives the Whale Call)
the creature in graveyard is called light dragon/tuna king, isn’t it?
no, it’s not anything we see alive in game
it’s something else entirely
fanon name is Whurtles
(whale + turtle)
so we call whale “light dragon “/“tuna king”?
yes, it's not even a whale but sounds like one.
that’s strange
The whale was based off a Coelacanth iirc
in chinese community, we call this unknown creature “White Krill”/“Pale Krill”
sometimes, we call it “鲲”
a legend creature with huge size and wings
There was a fan design, made by @mortal viper
I can’t find it rn though ㅜ.ㅜ
i've been summoned
鲲 in oxford dictionary is a large fish which can turn into a bird
Ok, so, I made both this versions based exclusively on the skeletons from graveyard.
in legend, this bird needs to migrate from the end of North to the end of South, idk if there is any connection between it and the holy land.
Are they the same creature?
The ones I drew? No
That big fish is the Tuna-king or Whale, it’s bones can be found in boneyard in Forest
The bones in graveyard might have the same spine and ribs, but the skull is that of a turtle
All life on earth comes from Star dust so we are all stars in a way. It’s fun that we’re all little kids in sky bc that when we are personalities are formed when everything is new and we’re curious to learn and explore. All innocent. ||Another fun but dark take is that if our flying ability means we’re like angels then we’re all a bunch dead kids. Who are reborn phew but yeah or are we?||
Why is there a golden jar on the shelves in the first floor of vault
old beta quest, lambdaw
Oh
All life on earth comes from Star dust so we are all stars in a way. It’s fun that we’re all little kids in sky bc that when we are personalities are formed when everything is new and we’re curious to learn and explore. All innocent. ||Another fun but dark take is that if our flying ability means we’re like angels then we’re all a bunch dead kids. Who are reborn phew but yeah or are we?||
/we dont even know how to cry before going to forest
/how did they gain light?
/if we're going by "skids are mixed breed both light and the elder"
canonically, skids and elders are separate
Different species or probably sub-species
then how can we explain why skykids can wear elders custome
/i think they were just given to them
Only hairstyles, and we can wear every hairstyle that is gifted to us by spirits.
/and the skids take it
light creatures cant wear elders costume lol
and only sky kids and elders are in the shape of "human"
the concept art toys with the idea of the sky kids being elder/nature hybrids
ah, yes.....elders is kind of ancestor i suppose ?
No
The elders arent Ancestors.
They're another different species
in-game we see 5 main categories of creatures
Light Creatures
Dark Creatures
Elders
Descendants
and Ancestors
(we’re descendants)
The elders aren't descendants nor they are ancestors.
/they just elder go brbrrr
they’re something different. something ancient, ageless, and genderless
Far 
I believe they answered ur questions already 
/wait really?
I'm in oob buildings in Valley, and... why wasn't more stuff left behind
we should see things that were once sofas or chairs, beds or toys...
stuff that belonged to people
More tools, some bowls or plates maybe
/i think oobs are more "game mech" than lore
/although i do wish reminants of a society
The oobs, yes, but the oobs aren't the only buildings we can access
/oh
/yea why dont we see bowls and plates around citadel any ways
/we only get abandon ships in ice rink
Citadel doesn't seem much like a residential area, but...
/at least a trash can
maybe a few poster boards should be strewn around, the information on which is long since left illegable
/somewhere for trade and such cant be 'this' clean
maybe a few poster boards should be strewn around, the information on which is long since left illegable
/yea, maybe a few mural and a text wall here and there
Maybe counter shelves which no longer bare but a few resiliant contents that no one could use
/or maybe some toys
/i mean if it's a society there must have been kids
/speaking of which, why arent there kids in the memories, we only see adults in the memos
no, we see kids in memories, specifically Confident Sightseer’s memories
/ah okay
/oh yeah there are kids
/so i was thinking "no wonder there was no one left, a population with 0 children"
you know... there's one thing I can think of
If their furniture was mostly flamable
When the clouds came and cut off the sun, it likely cut off a lot of other things too. People may have burned everything they could to stay warm
... it also means anything that wasn't flamable was likely gathered in one place that was kept as livable as possible. If your chair can't be burned, i can at least be near the heat source, of which there is only one per kingdom, in hopes of making the flame last
If we are children of the Light, and elders live in the light(do they?) would they be our creators or parents?
The way I see it they are not our parents rather we are created/result because of the war .. we came to fix the broken eden .....
Welp IDK

one question, in the earliest version of sky, when we sky kids are born at the beginning ,we dont have cape and we are completely dark.how can we explain this then ?
btw it should be considerated that in the end ,elders have been polluted
(i remember ?)
Old beta technically isn’t canon
but its true we are dark when lose all wings
Well when we lose all our wings we become lightless but not 100% dark
Creatures that are fully dark are the krills, crabs and plants.
Keep in mind that skykids/descendants were also called Hybrids 
And i think the elders werent polluted but similar to us, lightless.
/maybe elders are dark
In the tomcepts charts they are pretty dark though 
/megan didnt like the elders
you guys are forgetting about the belonging family
boogie is a kid
confetti cousin is a tween
angsty headpat is a teenager
i thought confetti is adult, like eighteen, fresh
confetti is a girl?
also i dont get why elders are like diamonds. watching the forest cutscene i found teth’s eyes are diamond shaped
hm?
we are perfectly in the middle
If you look closely we actually have tiny triangles on our sleeves
oh that's interesting
not on our sleeves, on our chest
next to our ball of light
or rather
the ball of light is inside them
same its like <o>
also when u do chill sunbather emote the ball of light disappears. why?
I think that's just a gameplay thing
the light ball is your candle
This is a pretty clear pic of the triangles lol
elder cosmetics have that
Ye its really really faint but it's there
Oh and also, in eden lock a cloud in home actually sprouts lightning. But how did the lightning appear there, and why does eden/orbit affect the homespace too?
lightning is due to some shenanigans in electric particles and charges
i didnt see lihhtning in home tho
I see it in the clouds tho 🤔
Yup exactly
Maybe to encourage scared moths to just get with it
/that's game mech
why do some spirits have capes while others are not ? does it have something to do with their status? and wtb masks?
wonderiiiiing
we don’t have a canon answer, if that’s what you’re after
What your thoughts, Bethel 
Spirit Capes are just a game mechanic i think
idk lol, i just hope its not random
it is said the cape is a kind of symbol of lighy power (not sure ) then finding out the reason why some spirits have more light then others sounds interesting
Just realized, most of the cape spirits are stances/poses/calls 
Except for Forest 
They also seem to be designated to more of the key spirits of the level 
I made a theory some time ago that there used to be a serious hierarchy and class division in sky, that's why some have capes and some don't, it either referred to the importance of their division or work or if they're high or working class people,.
If u look at valley there r 2 competition trails one requires capes and the other without, that in itself should explain how the Cape and the Cape less competed together seeing that they have the same ending
but ancestors couldn’t use the capes to fly like we do
Well they did have a class division and a heirarchy.
Atleast the tomcepts suggest that 
A little combo of lore/mechanic I think 
It seems like the caped spirits may be the core spirits of each level, as in the first designed.
The ones that best tell the story of the level
Prarie butterfly, Forest resources/hunting, Valley pride/competition, Waste danger....
and warmth
which, in turn, is why the cape spirits are more "important"
the higher class want something to make them distinct from the lower class
in this case, capes!
which is why, for example, twirl from lightseekers doesn't have a cape but shush does
actually, every vault seasonal spirit except Kung Fu has a cape
and every belonging spirit has a cape
so that goes to show how important that family is
this also ties into my enchantment theory
shrug, play fight, doze and crab are all higher class merchants
boo and nod are servants
eh
we see a porter in forest who has a cape
for context, a porter is:
a person hired to carry burdens or baggage, as at a railroad station or a hotel.
a person who does cleaning and maintenance work in a building, factory, store, etc.
according to dictionary.com
doesn’t sound high class to me
If we talkin about high class, that’s the scholars at vault
And not all of them have capes
additionally, a hunter doesn’t sound very high class either
In my view
The devs jus put capes on whatever spirit they wanted to, and they chose the caped spirits we have now
I don’t see much reasoning on the capes being from “high class people”
my lil headcanon is that capes were part of ancestor culture before the elders came, but as the kingdom distanced from its old culture and the elders enforced advancement and tech, few people kept to the roots of what came before
but that’s just my headcanon cause it sounds cool imo lol
kind of a reference to imperialism but we won’t get into that today
Does anyone has the japanese intro?
EN: With the stars united, our light was infinite.
CN: Long time ago, there were many stars in the sky.
JP: In the age of the gods, the galaxy's brilliance had been promised to us for all eternity.
EN: But darkness came, and the stars fell...
CN: One day, they left sky, and built a region for themselves in the clouds.
JP: On that day, the stars who made a mistake were driven from the sky.
EN: Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
CN: Thousands of years passed,
JP: The ancestors of the setting sun built themselves a kingdom upon the surface of the world.
EN: If only they had listened...
CN: the sky kingdom entered a golden era and was destroyed again.
JP: But their endeavour didn't last for long...
EN: A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
CN: Stars has stood the sufferings for a long time
JP: After countless months and years, we now meet with the children [on a mission/bearing a message]
EN: Wake up, child. Bring our last stars home.
CN: My child, go to find lost stars, and bring them home..
JP: Thou shalt set out, weave together the lingering/wayward memories , and [finish guiding them to the skies]
Credit to spearmonkey
but i need the original
神代の時代、銀河の煌きは永遠を約束されていた
その日、過ちを犯した星々は空を追われた
落日の祖先たちは地上に自らの王国を築こうとうした
だがその試みも長くは続かなかった…
数えきれぬ年月を経て、我らは使命の子らをここに迎える
汝よ、旅立て、彷徨うえし記憶を紡ぎ、彼らを天へと帰すのだ
[Courtesy of spearmonkey]
thx
Can somebody explain to me what makes the children in Eden different to the skids? Like why do skids reborn but the children in Eden don't
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And to answer your question: we aren’t sure, it’s up to you !
it’s still highly debated why we get reborn and they don’t
/guys why are skids reborn by have 0 winged light but the skids in eden reborn by having 1-ours winged light
pardon ?
- skids when reborn don’t have 0 WL
- are you talking about the fallen we give WL to ? or something else ?
how did the king got corrupt
many people believe it had something to do with the darkness or power diamonds, but there is no concrete answer
hmm
so uh very stupid theory
what if he wants to grow stronger but he can't?
so he decided to turn to darkness,
and the people tried to tell him not to, but he didn't listen?
Then, he must've have got too corrupted then the Light fell into the cliuds
clouds*
That's why the lines "had listened" was there?
I don't know actually
during the cutscene for the end of eden, there are planets.. i wonder if there’s other sky kids and whole other cities and cultures of them 😳 and what would our planet be called? cause that must mean we’re on some kind of planet
if the stars fell, maybe they fell on different planets, and the reason why we use those warps is to@get to other planets, but that doesn’t exactly line uo@cause you can go from one to another in the same world but just disconnects by a white screen..
EN: With the stars united, our light was infinite.
CN: Long time ago, there were many stars in the sky.
JP: In the age of the gods, the galaxy's brilliance had been promised to us for all eternity.EN: But darkness came, and the stars fell...
CN: One day, they left sky, and built a region for themselves in the clouds.
JP: On that day, the stars who made a mistake were driven from the sky.EN: Together, the fallen stars made a new home in the clouds.
CN: Thousands of years passed,
JP: The ancestors of the setting sun built themselves a kingdom upon the surface of the world.EN: If only they had listened...
CN: the sky kingdom entered a golden era and was destroyed again.
JP: But their endeavour didn't last for long...EN: A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
CN: Stars has stood the sufferings for a long time
JP: After countless months and years, we now meet with the children [on a mission/bearing a message]EN: Wake up, child. Bring our last stars home.
CN: My child, go to find lost stars, and bring them home..
JP: Thou shalt set out, weave together the lingering/wayward memories , and [finish guiding them to the skies]Credit to spearmonkey
a simple rock#8192 all hail translation
Source of misunderstanding
spearmonkey did great. The game, however. 
ah
Idk why but I think the Elders might haver made a mistake or some soirt
JP: On that day, the stars who made a mistake were driven from the sky.
Right so since this is not really for general discussion
Sanctuary mantas
We all know that when not moon(or well day)lighting as kidnappers, mantas are getring krilled and turned into capes daily
That has steadily decresead the manta population and left us with smaller mantas and a limited number of larger mantas who have evolved to coexist with skykids to keep their population from extinction
The whole polution and war history has also had an effect on the loss of ancient mantas who were bigger and differently evolved from current mantas
Those are the matas that the Sanctuary spirit brings back to life
They are ghosts of past ancient mantas brought to life and placed in a safe hidden isles where they can safely keep their population growing without the threat rest of the realms have for their existence
Sanctuary is a paradise resort for skykids, but a sanctuary for ancient mantas who have nowhere else to live

/although
/according to official game people
/no mantas were harm in the making of manta cape. think of it as fake leather

Idk why but I think the Elders might haver made a mistake or some soirt
the japanese for that line was phrased in a similar sort of way to how you'd say "those who committed [a sin]" in english, except it wasn't "sin" used there, but "a mistake/wrong choice" specifically
just that "committed a mistake" sounded a bit weird to me to word it like that
but yeah, it very specifically mentions that the stars who made the mistake were ousted from the sky, and from what details we have, that'd seemingly correspond to the elders (the line appears in the intro as we see the 6 stars falling to the clouds)
I'm starting to think these symbols of a square with 3 arrow is either a symbol of Flight or a symbol of their ancient civilization
Maybe the latest, because it's even spottable in any irongate we open
/no mantas were harm in the making of manta cape. think of it as fake leather
@gilded fossil that part was the more crackish tone of general chat but the rest is tehnically
Not a bad theory
Pls I do hope the manta capes aren't made od baby mantas bc we need more happy theories
Poaching baby mantas for capes🤔
And then selling those capes for 3 seasonal hearts
That could’ve happened in a darker version of Sky
And our Sky kid would probably witness it
/guys imagine mantas being the primary food source in sky

@.tebkanlo#4296
Well, most of us think it's more king propaganda.
/'i am not immune to propaganda"
so manta has mouth?
What holding the air in space like dimensions?...
Because air in earth was hold on by gravity by general
sky kids don’t have mouths or noses
Gravity is not a problem
they don’t really need air i think
i mean we can go to the ||ISS in the office|| with no difficulty
so it would be the same with orbit
So how do they flap their wings?
🤷♀️
magic
At the ground yes. That make sense because they fall their wing
They flap their wing using wing power.. but still uses air as a medium to fly through
Hmm imma overclock my brain
Well I love overthinking stuff that shouldn't so
i get that
I don't really a fan of making theory about the origin of the king .. or the spirit. I suck at that.
/i mean if we're talking about space the skids has the ability to sit in mid-air
I mean we see alot of floating thing in sky already that we skykid floating just normal
Alot of thing that defies gravity
But energy can't be created or destroyed.. it just changes
So let's say the wing power changes to force to create kinetic energy. And we use air to fly.
And because of how small we are.
I say that we don't need much energy to fly.
But how are able to fly through space? Like in orbit? Where there is complete vacuum.
So for me I think there is two possibilities.
First is because game mechanics so that just debunk my next possiblity.
Second is because megabird is the one that guide us. Like we only fly within megabird's trail. Like there is no way we can fly through space.
So yeah my theory is that megabird is the one that give us the ability to fly in space..
But regarding ||iss in office||
I do think that just an Easter egg
Was exploring the wasteland temple with a friend and found this... Those designs
These are on those big pillars there
Ancestor Culture 
What does this represents
/two diamonds connecting
Has anyone noticed that the broken temple of Wasteland resembles Forest Shrine?
You mean the factory?
Or broken temple area?
The 1st area after social place is named as broken temple.
If you're talking about forest temple and that broken factory (with the 1st krill of wasteland).. yes those are same factory but in different realm. There are more factories like that in wasteland
Forest temple is a factory actually. Powered diamond factory
i have a theory but its really weird and its probaly wrong
but the heads of the mantas look like diamonds so... what if they hunted them for diamonds?
idk
Concept art showed mantas being juiced for light so... Not far off from that!
@.tebkanlo#4296
Well, most of us think it's more king propaganda.
@kind bobcat ....
propaganda or not I noticed another style for the same symbol, which looks like an inbetween version of the 3 squares (two of which are just half of squares) that can be spotted on all towers in the Valley
They juiced mantas?! Noooo 
eh, it wasn’t just their blood
it was their light, which seems to be an integral part of their body
without that there’s only dark ooze left
geez
that’s what was in the concepts, at least
well also that weird thing at the front of the big spiny ball in valley, is it a bird or is it another type of manta
i think it’s a bird, personally
alright

Luckily the game is less... Surface Level Horrifying now
But the concepts? Total horror
if they kept with the concepts, the game wouldn’t be E For Everyone
Really?
i say that because of the light horror aspects
especially if they kept forest the way it was going to be
or kept the original elder designs (they were......scary)
or kept the dark creature concepts !
Like the bones in forest and wasteland?
im talking about concepts, not the actual game
Ohhhh
are you new here ?
Haha no
okay uwu
Been here since December 😂
Well I’ve played sky since December-
Are the bones in wasteland and forest whale bones? And is the whale we see in orbit the only whale left?
In wasteland, no
In forest, it is a smaller version of the Tuna King in orbit
I too think that's whale bones cause it's too large for a krill haha
In forest that's quite like a krill bone
There's also in vault they're all of different sizes ig
ok ok hold on lemme catch you up on terms
we’ve had some conversations about the biology of these creatures, technically it ain’t a whale
Tuna king 
I thought whales i saw written on Wikipedia lmao
Btw if Cherry! The smol ever comes back here pls feel free to ping me.
I wanna ask for another theory box
Big lad in forest, wasteland, and orbit: Tuna King (big fish, not a whale)
Tiny lad in forest: Tuna Prince (big fish, not a whale)
Bones in wasteland: Whurtle (whale + turtle)
middle of the cape = human spine broke me in all the right ways
I'm truly a newbie so nvm me lol
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Hold on, have we ever seen a whurtle in game or are they extinct?
they are all dead
Never seen, little early to call extinct
all we have to go on is their bones
Sorry i had to make a joke
I wasnt replying to you, null, sorry if it seemed that way
Whurtle sanctuary, pog
So what happened between krill and whurtles?
up to you !
Probably munch
we don’t know
Ah
Where is bluespirits diagram
all the whurtle skulls had sharp force trama to their left eye socket
Maybe we killed the whurtle 
sûre, pip
Quadwing !
Check tomcepts
Ah ok
We don't know who the narrator is and honestly that has lead to theories
Not all of which... were supposed to be... serious...
I never heard anyone talk about the ferryman ancestor
Even though he/she might be alive and plays a considerably important role in the concept art
Mainly storyline
The ferryman might be Daleth, elder of the Isle
The isle was orriginally an even smaller part of the game than it is now
in the concepts, the Ferryman seems to be the isle elder
before « isle » « prairie » etc the elders had job titles
The only two i remember are Ferryman (isle) and Shaman (forest)
and heck, back then the twins didn’t exist
they were one entity, the Priestess i think
In the concepts, the amphitheater at the end of the racetrack in valley was originally the site of the king's coronation
the pictures that @hushed steeple has sent looks like a life cycle of the creatures to me
some people think that’s the case, others think it’s separate creatures
it’s unclear which is correct
Anyone else notice how when you are close to a krill that your character kinda starts jerking around... Maybe they be gagging at the smell?
... Whu
no riding krills 
Is this because we found out that they're hollow?
lowkey have a crackpot theory that they’re made of void
[someone make a krill is void meme]
I found the ArtStation of a tgc concept artist if anyone wants, I haven't seen these elsewhere,,

i think it’s interesting they just call the elders « god »
no wonder i thiught of them as gods
Hi this just pop up to me just now the large fish like creature is there any story about it? Is it collecting lights too to ascend? Idk 🤭
we’re not exactly sure about Tuna King
it’s up to you !
Yay tuna king 😬
Maybe they came from heaven too and just fall from sky thats why theres big holes on some maps, and maybe turned into krill 🤭
All theories are welcome 
twins are siblings by defn right??
~~onigiri is something, bc during the cutscene when they got on one knee & beckon the light they switched the paddle. then when kakashi beckoned they did go in front but put the paddle behind their back, which is a dumb move bc it would slow down their reflexes, no wonder they cant catch the light. they just see it’s a child and took it for granted that mercy is the default here, when kakashi went “only the strong survives”
im sure onigiri is the head and kakashi is the heart
~~
they’re twins, yes
how can you say they are twins and not siblings? never in my life have i met that. it’s not like they’re each other’s evil twins, so its less likely the term is used metaphorically here.
I kinda feel like the forest elder would act like their mom, as her realm is next to theirs. That’s my headcanon.
i just have a feeling forest hates the king the most
if mother nature ties in she would def be enraged by all the pollution
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oh ty!!!!
anyway someone on tumblr also said the twins may work for king in secret so im 
OH PLEASE TELL ME IT'S THE POST I'M THINKING OF
Did someone (me) reply to that post with "We are Propoganda" but with the twins instead of Megabird?
Bricky, do you have the king image by himself?
which one ? there’s many
The tall and ominous king
this lad ?
there is a version with a pitchfork
Yes thanks
no problème
.......but there’s better pics bricky has 
Ah yes
we talking Alef again
no
if we talkin eden elder in general, here’s the lil lad to the right
I believeeeeeee that concept was when the prince and the king were separate ppl
the prince since the beginning has been like us
either in size, design, or both
I believeeeeeee that concept was when the prince and the king were separate ppl
which one ? i posted multiple
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no need for spoilers here tho
I made a meme for palechild, but it has the king in it
king isn’t a spoiler per se
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- What the 8-player puzzle unlocks
- Anything in the secret level including what it is ||(office)||
- Beta content that is not live or not meant to be accessible (all beta content stays in the beta channels)
is the big version of king a mech suit or an actual person?
dépends on your headcanons, Pale
imo i think it’s a mech
but that doesn’t mean it is
What if the king is just all the elders stacked on top of each other with the prince at the top, this is really messed up
And all the elder cutscene are just memories
Yay
like voltron
our king
now imagine that but with elders
Oh my god
Not only does Brick think it's a mech, I'm convincing them it's a mech initially designed for one purpose: krill belly rubs
oh dear
the fact that dark plants are easy to fall over leads me to conclude: they’re slippery & made of oil
mb darkness is slippery
They are made of oil because thin film interference with light(us)
Well not made of oil
Have oil composition
Who is the king exactly?
The king is the eden elder.
Ah
it says here
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I remember something about statues in valley but that’s all I remember
wasteland
Very tall
I thought it was valley so I thought he was supposed to look like those trumpet head guys at the end of the race lol
Aah. Thanks for this concept art pictures about the Elders, I finally understand what you mean about the King statues still left in the game.. and this explains why most of you think that symbol is a sort of King's propaganda.
But that makes me think even more that symbol could be a emblem of the civilization, rather than the King's proganda.
The King's crown could be shaped to resemble his Kingdom emblem. Kind of like the Westeros king crown (of House Barrateon) is a peculiar to rememble a dear/stag.
After all the long pointy top of the crown could be a sign of him highest representative of his Peoples
I think the diamond head shape represents the dark stone.
we see a similar symbol representing the stars
an 8 pointed star, with a circle in the middle
i think it’s meant to represent the elders
Where is this 8 pointed star? 
in the opening
the halo around the skid, and the stars
Opening cutscene.
thank u goob
And it's on the prairie docks
do you have the version with the king mask overlay
It's in there somewhere 
just look at the mask compared to the symbols goob posted, it’s highly similar
so yeah
i think it represents the stars
meaning the king was certainly an important star/elder if his mask is legit their symbol
I kinda wanna get into the lore of the game since it seems so interesting, is there any way I can start?
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oooh ok, thanks 

i think the king/prince is leader of elders tbh
i agrée
his mask is a star,,, morningstar
I see what you did there 😏
Morningstar is another term for Lucifer...
lucifer theory lives on
👀 ✝️

He was the first of his kind. Check.
He fell into darkness. Check.
His greatest trick is making everybody think he doesn't exist... Check.
striking similarities
exactly
i think the reason the elders fell are similar to the story of lucifer
Jesus is also called something to that effect
« the bright Morning Star »
Belonging ? Seasons don’t come back

nope, seasons will never repeat. That’s what travelling spirits are for
😅
so i asked in questions and help channel and got this: #questions-and-help message
the question is say you lost wl and your inner charged light, would a krill still turn red on you? the answer is yes
Yeah even if u lose all light, they still try to krill you
so i dont get how krills feed on light and the fact that they knock out wls but dont retrieve those wls
Alllll the way until ur dead
Can confirm, got krilled twice in a row while lightless 
Well it can go many ways
1, it’s a game mechanic and they are naturally programmed by the devs to Target skykids, light or not
2, they simply want to kill you instead of needing to feed on light
probs military weappn
“they’re hungry for light” then why did they take that wl?
is it bc wls are imprints of the prince?
No confirmation on that 
they’re hungry for light but didnt take one
Also, when u lose ur last winged light, that’s when you die and have to go to the dark place and get another wing to be reborn
So technically, as long as ur alive, there’s still light in you
That too
Tell urself whatever makes most sense to you 
light is like our (life)blood ig
So uh, while I was looking at the pictures @blazing terrace sent, I noticed at the Isle (possibly) elder's supposed to be cutscene, ans I saw what seems to be megabird...?
Since I saw a beak or some sort
could be 
He has the staff so I basically assumed he's Isle elder
Ah yes
I guess that specific piece of concept art was during the transition
Isle vulture
oooooo
I saw it on Tgc's sky instagram
yeah, all of the elders were once animals
they said it was originally supposed to be a vulture
i don’t remember what all of them were
I think Prairie one was a monkey?
i know wasteland was a spider
forest was a lynx
vault was a crow
I picked and pocketed the concept art cropped cause I loved them all but
Is this the supposed Forest one?
yea
It looks like Wasteland tho
since it has spears/swords on it's back
But Bricky said Wateland's Spider
Wasteland*
The spider has a motorcycle stuck on its back
They had many different concepts back then
Wait what
Judge for yourself
wait wait
But I’m pretty sure that lion was also a concept of the wasteland elder
But I’m not exactly sure
I’m loving the hands for legs concept thou
Yes
Looks more of a crab ngl
ok so
"Tsadi" the lion's concept art has a symbol on the lower right
Notice the same symbol on the Spider's (?) head
that name is for a different drawing
oh
look at the colour shift of the background
I also see a jellyfish with the elders symbol
These are concept so
These animal elders look cursed
i love them
Unfortunately I didn’t bother taking all of the concept art, just the ones I thought were super cool, so there could be more concepts
Back then, the elders used to have names
These names were based on Hebrew letters and wasteland elder’s old name was tsadi
I saw samekh on one
Wateland looks more of a crab ngl
Nevermind it’s lamed
Jellyfish elder animal looks like a crab, but with longer legs
Nevermind it’s lamed
@blazing terrace Which realm was this suppose to be?
Looks like vault tbh, it’s also in the vault section of my screenshots folder
The letters in brackets are Hebrew letters, which the Elders are named after:
Isle: Daleth (ד)
Prairie: Ayin (ע)
Forest: Teth (ט)
Valley: Samekh (ס)
Wasteland: Tsadi (צ)
Vault: Lamed (ל)
Prince/Not Corrupt King: Alef (א)
Corrupt King: Resh (ר)
PLEASE NOTE: These names have appeared in concept art and are often used when referring to the elders. They are no longer canon, they are fanon.
Hm
For some odd reason, I mistook Daleth as Resh in the old sketch here
Only so much concept art is for lore thou, quite a bit of it is just to gain a sense of the vibe so I doubt the animal elder concepts line up with the current elders at all
hmm
But like I have more if anyone wants it
there’s also concept art in the pins, Jayati
Good god I don’t wanna clog up chat
Oh thanks
If you want every single one I have feel free to dm me, know I only zoomed in on the ones I liked
Oh wow dark Whale
big mouth tho
Imagine if this was in the game
they'd scoop up up to 20 sky kids in one gob
...shrimp
is my favourite part of that concept art
they'd scoop up up to 20 sky kids in one gob
@edgy sequoia ... whimper
I wish oh my I so wish
I have their method of attack headcanoned too
their tongue is a spear
oh god
One of the sketches there looks like the modern-day krill
Yeah
Yeah
this one
the plague looks inspired by gulper eels, the upper one that is
I’m sure that’s on purpose cause of the “shrimp” note 
Where did you find these concepts?
The 7 days Of sky thing from a month ago
Of course it’s really tiny there so I just zoomed in to take a screenshot, meticulously
I’m a concept art hoarder
I cant zoom in on mobile device, could you dm me some of them if you dont mind
Of course
That would be pretty cool in game
My personal favorite is slime krill
I-I
me during quarantine
Ahahah
I have a theory that sky children can not hear, but rather see sound, like synesthesia
It explains the krill call and red/blue light as perceptions of their noises
But the headphone cosmetic feature just shatters this theory
i’d say easter egg
Neither
Well the headphone cosmetic thing is just a neat thing that happens when you play music, it’s not exactly lore tied
Alright, so I can continue with my theory
Yeaaahhh
Go on
it’s a forth wall break like the office
yess
Easter egg is more like a hidden feature
Lore is more like.....something that involves the actual story and history
The headphones, I would say it’s more of a fun feature tgc wanted to put
We need more of thae deaf skykid theory
Yeah
Pretty long theory
So essentially the light creature calls resonates with us more deeply as it is in our audi
The way seeing sounds also explains why we can see people honking from far away.
Hence we can not visualize the wave spectrum of dark creatures, except for krills when they dive
since we can also resonate with sky creatures
We perceive them as colors instead, presumably some wavelength that is longer than red
That my random audio theory of the day
That was interesting i never thought of that
Which part do you not agree with, I literally came up with this while looking at the concepts sent by windwalker
So It is not throughly thought out
Bricky, does the no mask mask count as lore?
i mean, it’s in game, why wouldn’t it ?
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