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What was the orginal amount of wl?
my lore is: prince leads the elders; prince discovers darkness; elders fall as stars and build kingdom using darkness as technology; prince is crowned king and gets corrupted later on; eden diamond explodes cuz megabird did a lil push (courtesy to null); mega cleans mess
Before all the seasonal stuff
This is what the chinese location of the message on the first stage on eden is "推进黑暗,解放灵魂“, it literally translate to
Push into the darkness, free [their] souls"
yes
Even the unsavable ones are like 4-6. Thats would still be less than the wl
that is correct
@bleak basin 70 in all other realms and 10 in eden
I think i see more statues popping up
Nah they're the same. I counted them
hm
So we are returning their light to save their souls, where their refers to the fallen
Was too dusty to screenshot properly
Maybe they are the meteror
But they were around 4-6
they got crashed with the red rocks
im confusion now
Didnt they say darkness and light already exsist
Confused from what pale?
« The world of sky has a rich ecology of light and dark »
what topic we are on tbh, and also the stafues
We're on like 2 topics😂
they look like the stars we need to bring home
some statues are unsavable because they have already turned into rocks
That would also explain why after we died we go meet our light counter part
The statue kids dont have the light counter part
is it me or the cutscene after we die shows light kids rise from the statues, while the statues just stay there?
some, but not all
I personally would say we just keep rescue random WL and put them back into statues to make the statues able to go to megabird with the WL.
Its randominzed during the cutscene
mb the statues are like corpses
what i mean is its like light kids and statues are separated
Since it’s random the locations of WL should also be random, I am glad they didn’t do that
Agree
I said the saving
The cutscene after sees them break out and the amount that breaks out is randomized
The amount that breaks out is the amount you save
It is always the same for me
If you save all all will rise
Isn’t that the people die in the same scene?
when they break out, i mean do they separate from the statues?
If you save none then the cutscene will move directly to dark room (I've done it)
the one while u are in the rock area
The statues are able to fly
i never got over 8 candles
sigh
Kids
10 acs still arent enough
You can look for tutorials and map
I get 15 every run
I get the max candle but the cutscene goes thru 6,7,5
the map is a birds eye view. in sky its like worm’s eye view. theyre different
its diffrent
The first part got 35 statues sth. Which is 6candles
Okay nvm

bc the cutscene cant show every statue u save, esp those too far to see
You ve seen 8 people breaks out
Isn’t that the number of player?
7 would still break ur theroy
that cutscene is weird
Every time the amount of kids that pop out is diffrent
Even if u save the same smount
Even if u do 63
Which is what i did for my last 2 runs
I got a 5 and 7
Tbh I never know is there anybody else in the server when I get into Eden stormlock part
at first i was like oh no did i do well then at the end i was like that’s so many ppl!!
yeah that cutscene is just weird
Eden stormlock depends on ur server luck
If ur connections bad u are going to get disconnected and swap servers
i got in with 3 other people, but that doesnt matter. even if others saved statues they dont light up so you still have to save them
But just because you swap servers doesn't mean the statues you save will reset
yeah because server swap is what the game has to deal with
Server swap is annoying when you are with someone
If u actually lived in sky i dont think u are going to get yeeted into another universe
Lol
you can’t server merge in stormlock iirc
mhm
You can only be sent out but not merging?
ye
What if the primary difference between us and other creatures is that our darkness understands the needs of our light?
i dont think we can techinaclly call our darkness
I feel like its more like crabs
Neutral
Isn’t we the mix of light creatures and ancestors?
no?
we’re hybrids tho
Didnt they say spirits elders and sky kids are diffrent species
We're half indifferent and half connected
Didnt they say spirits elders and sky kids are diffrent species
@bleak basin elders are different from ancestors
Darkness understands hunger for light, and light's hunger for connection. Thus, when our light goes out, it knows to protect the embers and seek out connection to feed the light, which will provide it with food as well
Because we have capes and we can fly?
still, diffrent speicies
Question
We're hybrids
Is that still considered canon thi
Most likely
null, what do you mean by darkness knows to protect the embers?
It means darkness knows how far it should go when it consumes light from the kid (that it shouldn't consume the kid when its out of light completely)
The darkness that makes up us knows that so long as the light doesn't go all the way out, it can be made strong again. So if the light is too far gone, it shuts down to keep it from going out completely until it can find a way to suppliment it
Like an opportunistic bacteria
Do you guys mean the part that people turned into blue?
By the way, I finally saw the blue butterfly at Valley.
When we die in Eden, we do so in front of a huuge tower of yummy light that the darkness wants to feed off of. But there's no light source nearby to rekindle. No others to help. The only thing it has to feed the light with is by trying to generate connection itself.
This almost destroys the darkness (hense the glowy), since the light in us is also able to connect to everyone who was saved, but the light doesn't want the dark destroyed either, and thus cools itself down after the trip
What if the narrator is darkness, and we are a puppet built for the purpose as a carrier, to shepard light into the storm, to replenish the eden diamond depleting light?
Though this makes the narrator diction be in third person
stop causing more angst
i sometimes make an inside joke that our job isnt to stop the diamond but to perpetuate it
i want angst
The eden diamond was an elaborate infinite light generator, then the king messed it up by trying to consume it, now darkness has got to fix it before they both annihilate once the power runs out
stopppp
unreliable theory but what if king is inside the diamond? and megabird took his darkstone crown one by one and fused it w light to create skykids
and my manta grinder
More dark theories coming up

h im so not good at this
typed up a lore piece realized its trash
doesnt spark joy
Lol
i cant create any lore
this whole thing is confusing. i like the mind control theory tho
Also as a hybrid, our darkness is p much never hungry. It's almost always feeding, but it caries it's food source.
The light part of us is also rarely hungry either, but only because we tend to travel in small groups
Same cape, different environment
i feel like our darkness is just a vessel for light
its modified
like reverse engineered
(yes inspired from hollow knight)
Are we able to satisfy the hunger of light in Eden one day that the can have better environment there?
The darkstone for eating all lights and we for store all WL and send them back to mega.
I dont think we ever satisfy those dark stones
Eden is... Difficult. It's inherently lonely and other sources keep eating our light.
We get hit by a small chunk and lose 3-4 wedges. Then we lose wl
Feeding our light enough to protect it against that is beyond our ability
lore chat is now dead, again
?
What blue butterfly
Going from young adulthood to midlife, facing your problems 
👌
Could it be the lighting?
it’s meant to be blue
when a butterfly crosses your path, it is also a sign that you will have to leave
your pastthe ground behind as you involuntarily flap your cape and go soaring into the air
Fixed it 
Its blue, even while using the butterfly emote it stays blue
Ah? It’s been a long time ago I saw the spirit.
Potato people
does the ||office|| fit into the lore anywhere?
ah
makes sense
it is fun when dev self-inserts are canon tho
i think in some games they are
Yeah
cant think of any tho
They have some concept posters in office though which is interesting
Did i talk about the big armillary sphere in valley? I forget cuz im sleepy
Things in office that are canon/lore related:
- Skids’ size relative to everything else
- Concepts posters in office
What does canon mean in this case?
True, to either the lore or in-game
in this case, 1 is canon and 2 is related to lore
about the mind control theory
is this why the game prompts us badly that “the ancestor spirit needs your help; go back to the temple and send them back to the sky” (chinese translation)?
megabird just wants them back?
A spirit that escapes control is a risk factor. Would you really want them to start a resistance behind your back?
For copycats i dont think they'd resist
how does it escape control when it just hangs around as a blue light
Ah, i read that as Skids
i mean does megabird actually want the spirits back
I tried looking back at the spirits when i reach orbit and they kinda float in a different direction 
almost forgot that part
They taught us one thing. They can teach us other things.
Plus, if calling the spirits to Orbit is how the elders are finally broken, you leave none behind.
are elders that broken
i mean the cutscene plays again even after rebirth
i mean are elders that broken post rebirth? its like nothing changed
Timespace prisons can do that
im thinking about it too. if we’re stuck in time loop what if even the elders are imprints
like imprints of regret-
It may not be clear at any point in your time how much an elder currently knows
time to break the matrix
Sneep, light snatcher
sneep tight
Well, If the megabird actually had thought, she/he should stop them from using dark stone technology in the first place
if only they listened
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What does canon mean
It means it's part of the lore
oh thanks!
Noncannon stuff can be fun easter eggs or stuff people make up
Did you have some theories about the stars and why we need for our wings\cape?
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It's brick's copypasta so... I am in no position to argue
@short owl the moth lore dock doesn't mention karen (crack theory megakrill counterpart of megan) 
I’ve always wondered what these drawings meant
It kinda reminds me of the crab island in sanctuary
Popular theory is that this is the story of why crabs are so cranky
When there is lots of clear water, the crabs are friendly. When water is all used up or gross, crab cranky
Krill-Karen Manta-Megan Whale-Wallie
so are crabs Eva
darkness spores
well that theorys would have issues with the cave in sanctuary wouldnt it?

yeah

MORE. THEORIES!
Popping in again to remind folks to keep the passive-aggressive dismissive tone to a minimum when someone has a fan theory that varies from your own. The only true keepers of the Sky lore are TGC. *This channel is meant to be a fun and welcoming place **for everyone *to share their theories. The server rules to keep things kind and constructive apply here as well.
Was that for me? 👀
No no, sorry if you thought it was pointed at you. 
hm
Wait... why did that get poofed?
We received some reports of people being aggressive and bullying others for sharing their ideas that they don't personally agree with and creating an unwelcoming vibe in this channel.
Null, you might have posted a word on the chat filter list. Gimme a moment to look.
Unless I made a typo, the only thing I can think of as maybe on the list is used here all the time! please tell me I'm not gonna learn another new word due to filters... two in one week is too much
Ah yeah, it was the x theory bit. For the unintended drug reference.
Odd... that doesn't usually trigger filters
reviewing my lore:
assumptions
- elders are stars who fell and created their kingdoms
- prince is the leader and also the king (bc “person’s head connected by 5 stars” as first pic in intro cutscene)
- king is inside the diamond — the mural is taken literally
gist- elders & prince are originally united and connected to light
- prince discovers darkness’ use as technology for progress
- elders & prince go into the clouds to create realms
- prince -> king at some point, corrupted at another point
- diamond exploded. (cotls are welcomed into the realm at some point?) cotls try to stop it and fail. megabird used the king inside to fuse it w light and create skykids
It was added a little bit ago.
The phrase is "crackpot theory" crack theory is...a little different in origin.
Welp... least I didn't learn a new word from that
crackpot?
oh hmm
It's an idiom for crazy person. Usually someone with wild unconventional ideas steeped in pseudoscience. It's kind of an older term that has fallen out of use.
... really tempted to say "alright" in a way that's another drug reference but...
I'll leave it at that. In the mean time, the phrase is "crackpot theory"
OH! Ktjn, while you are here... I think a lot of us wannted you to pin one of your messages
the one about how the lore of sky is made intentionally vague, so it’s easy to get to for moffs
I believe it was this one: https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/732686901643051089
Thank youu!!
we may or may not think you're good at your job as community manager
No one's perfect, but I do my best to make it right when I miss the mark.
so I'm clear, about the earlier discussion which phrase is the acceptable one?
crackpot theory
ah
without the ‘pot’ you’ll get your message deleted
Well, I think Lore is back to normal?
Nah, we're not back to normal till we get some fresh theory juice
Anyone have anything? I want another one of Cherry's boxes but they never come in here
in early tester’s videos, i recorded the text below:
A darkness grows on the horizon in the world of Sky. Travelers beware, for loss is the only way through the Storm, and those that face it rarely leave as the same person who entered.We know the Storm level is unrefined and punishing, and that you will likely experience pain and frustration.
they call eden “ the horizon of sky”
... well that screws with me calling the land of Sky "Horizon"
Horizon? I guess it may be Valley, as it used to be called Sunset
chinese calls valley “valley of dawn”
I thought valley was supposed to be like... noon
its afternoon for me
also about theory juice, ive posted my notes on my lore. but i guess its negligible cuz its not much founded on any sound logic
Nah, we're not back to normal till we get some fresh theory juice
Soon™️
maybe
probably
eventually

Theory juice =/= lore
ok
Theory juice is stuff like "Oh here's this small detail have fun with it"
like "Oh hey, what about unreliable narrator"
mind control megan will not die as a theory.
it's become serious.
mind control megan lives on in perpetuity
nah i dont believe megan is malicious. i believe she is cruelly just
Ktjn do you know anything about the in-game poop reika mentioned 
yes
... The fact that YOU say that suggests that it's not going to be disproven by future stuff
can you give us clues?
but she can return a disproportionate punishment if you deserve less
which means the twins might look unhappy when summoned because they are unhappy to be in orbit
so megan is that cruel?
so the poop exists?
Is it the Saluting Captain's hammer 
Yeah when you mention that
Why DOES the captain have a hammer?!?!
WHAT
It's not a normal captain's tool
bait???
and they're carying it in orbit
null im pretty sure thats just the model and not lore related—
HAMMER IN ORBIT
Okay, but why does the model have a hammer
he tried to fix this boat?
the secret of the poop must be discovered through careful examination by the lorekeepers
Is it a literal poop or a metaphorical poop?
its called a poop
null bc the yawn spirit uses the same spirit model as the salute one, and yawn has a hammer in his memory
the poop
you guys still haven't figured it out?!
what does poop have to do w the hammer
We have PLENTY OF THEORIES
Including wasteland sludge. Particularly that which comes out of pipes
and I think someone suggested that we are poop
WeLL yOu'Re ThE oNE Who oNlY sAid pOop
it is poop
only poop
so anything you can give us about the prince?
the prince is the poop
...What about poop?
w h a t
reika no
what
Theres also a theory that it's krill flakes
im so confused
reika giveth and she taketh away
is that all
It's a false clue, ignore it 
is there anything else
goobers got the right idea
Hoping it's false here
reika are the gratitude spirits furries
wha-
GINSY
me and seraph must know
Ktjn can you confirm that Reika is not telling the truth here
I can't accept the possibility that it's the prince.
Oh so it's a game dev kind of poop 
Ktjn can you confirm that Reika is not telling the truth here
I can't accept the possibility that it's the prince.
@short owl The clue we were given is just that a poop exists, it can be anything
theres no way i can understand “prince is poop” metaphorically and literally
Reika literally just said that the prince is the poop and I can't accept that
that
that breaks me
idk whether its a joke or serious
yall do know devs can joke right
It's a trick, send no reply 
humans, unlike faeries, lie
yes but like... this is about the poop. The poop is a big deal
yes but if she isn't joking that's probably the only confirmation we have of the prince
and
what does poop have to do w the hammer,,
reika was joking about the prince but wasnt about the poo
that breaks me
this channel smells a little smelly haha
HAHAHHAHA
wait so u guys mean the prince is poop — if i take it seriously does that mean the prince is like in a decayed or decomposed form or something???
or dead
ktjns here everyone scramble 
like everyone else
Where can we find the poop though 
Reika is the bearer of truth 
...and red herrings. 
Consider it your personal mission to discern the truth. 
gotcha
... then so that I can like... continue my existance, I'm going to go with "the prince is not the poop."
i wonder if the little darkness flakes are the poop and fragments of the prince/king, though there's sooo many holes in that
yall do know devs can joke right
lies, we're humorless robots. beep boop
so you're saying it rains king poop in eden
I feel like flakes are the oposite of holes
kitjen 
lies, we're humorless robots. beep boop
Ktjn confirming the devs are indeed extensions of skybot
i meant more fragments of his soul but hey
hmmm what else can be poop
Could be the crying spirit's grave but that would be disrespectful
o h
i always thought that the green light dropping from the mantas is like manta poo lolol
why do i feel like we are so close but the devs are just laughing at us 
how is a poop crying spirit’s grave? what do y’all mean by poop?
im honestly not good at interpreting things metaphorically and abstractly so serious answer only
Maybe it's the dark orb that binds the spirits
the devs likes our sufferings
[too confused to contribute to the discussion]
Could be the crying spirit's grave but that would be disrespectful
i guess it’s just soil or stone
Poop, like a mistake or a whoopsie made by the devs 
actual poo
Or a literal in-game poop
yes
or a hidden poop
poop like POOP
Poop, like a mistake or a whoopsie made by the devs
@kind bobcat are you serious
HMM 
great
as in THE POOP IS RIGHT THERE INGAME WE CAN SEE
you encounter it semi frequently
@kind bobcat are you serious
@sinful anvil y e s
- what i get from pines
thank u
Is it the eggs in Forest 
as in THE POOP IS RIGHT THERE INGAME WE CAN SEE
@spring blaze Release Early & Often
egg-shaped poop 
are you saying theres like physical actual poo in the game
idk if our lore is that deep for us to intentionally create an egg shaped poop
🤭
idk if our lore is that deep for us to intentionally create an egg shaped poop
@frigid crownwe're losing our minds then
Alright i'm gonna go poop hunting later
So the clues given by Reika and ktjn
- It is intentional
- It exists
- It's not OOB
- We can see it
- It's not in the office
but cheep Samekh hair
i already stuck my head down the toilet for other purposes several times before
interesting
ok so its somewhere in the actual < world >
I say as if I'm not actively wearing Samekh hair right now
so it exists in the realms
it is visible in the realms
we can see it clearly with our eyes
its there, its poop

💩
Samekh look so upset... I really don't think they're there of their own will.
AND I ABSOLUTELY NOTICED HOW THEY WEREN'T SUMMONED SO MUCH AS LIT UP
who is samelh again
ah
theres quite a number of names for the elders so im pretty confused too 
wheres the copypasta
i call them <realm> elder haha
Gone, reduced to atoms 
too lazy to learn names~
i write fanfic so im used to their names
👏🏻
Oh god... what if that's the elders new punishment for resistance? Starved of light while surrounded by it, only allowed to have any when sky kids enquire?
^ God that sounds terrible for the elders 
Also... apparently easter eggs in forest look like dark plants from a distance. Dark Bird eggs perhaps?
Dark bird?
Just read about poop for the last 5-10 min, thanks lore chat
Same here sleep-
We need a better name for Reika's poop tbh
@kind bobcat the excrement
Remains of Truth 
The oopsie doopsie
yes that
oopsie poopsie
Even better
Also... apparently easter eggs in forest look like dark plants from a distance. Dark Bird eggs perhaps?
@short owl M...m...megabird eggs?
I HOPE not!
Krill eggs. 
Ah, just what hf needs
Ok on from phone now.
Look at these faces. Do they look happy to be here?
They look like they're annoyed+angry
actual word for emotion censored apparently
Also... Part of their mask isn't there...
they are expressionless to me. so i guess its fine to interpret their emotion in any way
maybe they are reluctant but doing this out of duty
wdym by part of their mask
So yesterday in the general chat I mentioned that there are TOO MANY king statues and someone, don't remember who, asked me to post screenshots so they could see exactly how much validation a tyrant needs.
So, ten total as far as I can tell. Two by the exit of the graveyard, three in the 'courtyard' (not sure if it actually has a name, but the area in front of the final temple area) (thought there were four at first but I think the bottom left one in the Screenshot is some broken wall or something) and five on the top of the temple area.
But those five on top can literally be seen from every area of the Wasteland except Forgotten Ark and maybe shipwreck.
Uh okay, including shipwreck
They're giving me stalker vibes
i learned archaelogy for 1 year but still cant piece stuffs together from the items in gw 
Maybe there was more locations for each king to rule?
oh have you not been introduced to king propaganda
These are just the ones I noticed on my candle run, but wow those things are huge, did he commission them? How long would it take to carve one of those, let alone 10-13ish
- coughs *
Look at vault👀
Oh no he got Vault, too?
ngl the king went off with his star sigil
there’s king motifs all over the game
more in prairie and forest than you might think
Well now I need to take a closer look
before u enter the prairie there’re 4 columns
my friends and i went through Isle-Forest yesterday and i got like 20-30 pictures of propaganda i could find
Something to keep an eye out for on tomorrow's cr
And YES let's count how insecure this guy was
Does vault still count as a king statue?
Guys the other elders all have a 'third eye' thing on their heads, right? The king only has one eye. He literally has a narrow vision.
The pun stands
hcing valley twins fell from the gemini constellation and came to rule their realm hehe
the twins dont wear a “third eye” headpiece
in fact, each twin only has 1 eye
the krills also have 1 eye hh
ya but together they technically have 2
i think they still cooperate out of necessity
That would explain a lot actually, I did connect them to Gemini when I first saw them and for a while entertained the idea of each of the elders representing a real life constellation or astrology sign but never thought much more on it so not sure how much water it holds
there could be 5 more elders we don’t know about 
Kakashi as Castor; Onigiri as Pollux
but this is Sky not our world
if theyre made after astrology constellations
and Sky basically works on light and dark and we dont
besides constellations are quite arbitrary
so both the king and krills have 1 eye
valley twins have 1 eye that are complementary
Yeah they're all relative to your position in space so theirs would have to be different
Unless they're in a different world as in dimension instead of planet, in which case the stars might be the same but I know very little about astronomy
mb the same stars tho i was taught constellations r kind of subjective. maybe elders happen to come from stars in our constellations
Plus constellations are just... Lines and dots, they could be combined any number of ways
^ exactly what im saying
^^
omg. the king has 1 eye.
the one eyed king.
tokyo ghoul hahaha
So we would really need someone familiar with stars to say if the sky in... Sky matches ours or not, but also not all games really pay attention to the placement of stars in that kind of detail so even if it didn't match it wouldn't necessarily mean anything
Tokyo Ghoul Tyrany Special Edition
I tried to get a good mask pic but speed oobing is hard while alone.
look at the spirits. they’re not like our world. sky looks hugely fantastical. im afraid this is not our dimension
hi lore moff
also. both the king and krills have 1 eye.
It doesn't have to be our dimension to have the same sky, depending on what you mean when you talk about alternate dimensions or realities. Some act like the layout of the universe is the same, just the development of life on planets etc. are different. Occupying the same space, but not following time (as a series of events) in the same way. Others however act like different dimensions act as diverging from the very conseption of the universe, and therefore the very layout of stars, planets, etc. would be different.
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THEORY is the prince became king
Copypasta
Does Prince become King or is Prince a separate character, I'm not sure
THEORY is the prince became king
@hushed steeple so he must have had a hard life in eden that he became corrupted

Sometimes it's the sweetest lives that corrode so easily

Basically, he could just be spoiled lol
Sometimes it's the sweetest lives that corrode so easily
@umbral fossil kinda
Just that he could've had a hard life or not, neither necessarily leads to becoming a bad person, it's all about how someone reacts to circumstances
I think he had too much responsibility, a lack of resources, and no chance to learn stuff people learn by being kids
Grew up too fast and gained too much power in an equally fast amount of time
Yeah that's likely, lots of pressure and leadership expected of a kid can lead to all sorts of mental and emotional development issues
So he essentially cracked under the pressure and the wrong decisions piled up while he felt like he couldn't afford to make a mistake or show weakness because the price of doing so was unacceptably high which meant no emotional help or reaching out to others
I want to hug him now
HE WILL GET COMFORT NO MATTER WHAT
your too small to pat king
FORCEFUL LOVE
He isn't angry at you, he just doesn't have an outlet for anger and is already exploding so any cracks in the shell make boom
your too small to pat king
@livid valley I have Cape to fly
I have tall spell and antigrav spell, I can make do
@livid valley I have Cape to fly
@hushed steeple plot twist you have 2 wedges
Tall spell will make u as tall as kings finger I guess.. bcoz king is sooo tall
Who needs height when you have flight
i want to wrap him in a blanket and just. Hold Him Close until he feels better
@hushed steeple plot twist you have 2 wedges
@livid valley plot twist I'll ask for lift to my 10 wedge uber
i want to wrap him in a blanket and just. Hold Him Close until he feels better
@sinful gull make huge blanket
But if we're going with the mech suit theory we just need to get the small out of the shell
King need shell cracked and responsibility taken away
I guess hot chocolate is acceptable
if i were a king i would very much like hot chocolate delivered by tiny beings with cape wings
Ah the dream
if i were a king i would very much like hot chocolate delivered by tiny beings with cape wings
@sinful gull yea but that would not be enough and ull loose control and become corrupted again
Therapy then
It may be good to send him through military training as well. Forced structure, significantly lower price of mistakes, and a chance to build a sense of accomplishment
Yes. Obvious social life is helpful
If any giant exist> He needs friends
@umbral fossil
And like... Authority figures he can trust and answer to
Bcoz small beings will get scared of getting smashed by king I guess not to mention king has anger issues
So he's not breaking from pressure
Who put a kid in charge? Don't they have regents or something?
Like even if his parents are dead and he's next in line there should be someone to take care of thing until he's older
Or is that just a thing people made up for books
Then again I suppose a Sky monarchy could work differently than any of ours regardless
He's parents r dead
.. that's y he needs little scolding..only if he's mom can do dat.. he'll not be corrupted again
Aleph probably only has one parent. Megabird
I think he needs mood enhancers
Papa Tsadi should ground him tho
He needs... Therapy
The Prince/King is likely a star like the Elders. They don’t have parents, it seems
Aleph probably only has one parent. Megabird
@short owl bird can't knock some sense unless throwing off from height or hitting with beak
THEN MEGABIRD SHOULD TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY AS A PARENT
Has king ever learned to smile or laugh
OK you make me sad
Instead of releasing millions of children
Wait can any of the sky kids smile? I mean they wear masks all the time...
Who's mega bird btw?
we don’t seem to have mouths, so probably not
god
God
Did you read the welcome doc, Stranger ?
God of Sky
Culmination of all life in the universe
Megabird really depends on who’s talking. Everyone has different interpretations of them
Did you read the welcome doc, Stranger ?
@lethal stump no I guess
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we don’t seem to have mouths, so probably not
@lethal stump you never realize how much body language tells you until it's the only language you have
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No need to ping, im here
Okay finished
Bricky where did you get that hello new lore moff website?
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you dont have to ping people 
Actually I haven’t read it yet at first....until today😅
Okay 👌
Okay, you can see the mask detail here that is missing in the second photo
The way the faces are shaped suggests a mask is still present (did not get pic, sorry), but the absense of the stone is... Concerning
It does open up another possibility though. Perhaps they sell their hairs not because they are forced to, but because by keeping the promise of an ultimate reward, they know they can awaken at least once more.
For them then, it is very lucky that summoning them is its own reward.
While we were the tools of their ultimate downfall, we may yet get the chance to offer them another chance
Guys 👀
Okay I’ve just read about the interaction
That group with candle should make a light right?? But now that effects is missing
Oh i remember there was a light ball appears before...
Anyway I’ve read some messages from yesterday about this butterfly...
Am I right
I think it is the butterfly that hold the spirit...I don’t remember much but maybe,it says”capture the blue light to get this spirit” or whatever...but maybe u can get the spirit from this butterfly if you miss the one in race...but it’s hard to capture them...
Yeahh@hushed steeple
i don’t quite understand what you’re saying, Odette
What do you mean « it says capture the blue light » ?
I think I’ve read it when I’m getting this spirit
But I lost it or what I don’t remember....
But go to that race again and get that spirit...
Maybe it’s say capture the spirit in the race with blue light...or maybe if you miss it in the race,you maybe can get it from that butterfly
And one more, that butterfly is not only one
I’ve seen it’s more than one
the butterfly doesn’t give you any spirit or emote though
Emm I mean in first when you still a moth maybe you miss that lion hair spirit...
U maybe can catch that butterfly and maybe it will give us that spirit
Really?
yeah
I just think maybe it’s the spirit that we can’t get or doesn’t add for us to get it...
I believe in Beta, there used to be more butterflies, and they would change to the colour of the winning team (there were teams back then)
Just like some other memories or spirit that turn to butterfly
Ooo uhh
So what does pink mean
If blue for winning
there was a red and blue team 
yes, in beta
your cape would temporarily change colour too !
if u check the flags in the flying and sliding race theres like blue and red flags iirc
ahh
Cape changing color nice
Cool
Ehhh no no
I mean the butterfly colour
At first it is yellow but then after we capture them on our hand it’s slowly changed colour to pink
Anyway that cape changing colour is nice too
/guys are there any other colored butterflies?
There is blue and red butterflies, iirc, at valley
No, only blue
Ah it's pink, right? not red
Yellow
INTERLUDE IV
screams
i wanna draw this
dammit
i went over the limit and it got deleted
anyway INTERLUDE IV is like mind control theory ending
thats the gist
Is there like a post where I can read Sky's lore?
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anyway INTERLUDE IV is like mind control theory ending
thats the gist
@sinful anvil /wat?
Ahhh if only it was that easy pirs
@sinful anvil /wat?
@gilded fossil
suppose this —
megabird: we’re finally free. welcome home. it’s just you and me now. the world is ours.
skykid: no it isnt. get in the orbit. this isnt finished.
megabird: what?
/megan:
“even though the king is dead im still seeing red. im just a shell of his form that his innocence shed”
“oh is that right? you know its not true. look at him showered in diamond and armor; now look in my eyes, she holds the power. after years and tears and confronting his corruption, he’s beyond saving on the record for the kingdom to hear. and they’ll all think, that it was suicide, but megabird i know, it was you inside.”
AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
“now look in the light, you know we both fear her. we’re one in the same; we’re afraid to be near her. we utter the name with our elders defeated. but you let me bring stars under your control, you’re worse than the king of eden.”
/i have never heard the song
/guys the first thing i see is a gacha video
Is that a lyrics of a song?
/yup interlude iv is a song, it's a sad song
/question, did the citizens of cloud town know about the existence of megan?
what do you think ?
/i mean they know about the kingd
/i think they're oblivious to megan's even being their
/king have statues and such, creatures are presented in murals
/but no drawings or statues of megan
Megan 
/or, maybe there are, but we're not sure which simple is megan in the murals
Megan is a nickname for Megabird if you aren’t aware úwù
Megan :LookFish:
@sweet dirge /wait krill lemme get the welcome note
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I've been here before tho 
still might have info you’ll find useful 
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@gilded fossil /oops
I've been here before tho :cry:
@sweet dirge /ah well there is a small line explaining megan tho
/actually, it's Sky kingdom, but I call them cloud town
Does the body of water before office count
Office is not canon, aside from scale of skykids compared to the world
We see megan at the end of the game, in the credits
As a mural?
/yea huh we do
/although if megan is that important she must have been in everyday lives stufff
I think thats why Eden was built
I head here Eden was seen as a place of religious intent
Maybe people went there to worship megan
King statues indicate otherwise 
Maybe people went there to worship megan
@sweet dirge / so like, a church for god
King statues indicate otherwise
@kind bobcat /yea so i was wondering, why so many statues of kings but not megan
Probably because nobody knew what megan looks like.
I heard someone said smth like once prince became king he changed Eden into a factory
As i said before she might be an abstract entity
Therefore with no constant appearance that can be relied on to make statues/murals
May I ask if the eggs in forest is considered canon
I don't know, maybe some others can answer that 
Therefore with no constant appearance that can be relied on to make statues/murals
@kind bobcat /what about symbols then?
Well, i think that star circle thingy can be related to the megabird.
/maybe a word when talking about megan, i mean, the one-eyed ghost where i'm from is known as a "one-eyed ghost", despite stories telling it having no physical appearences
Well, i think that star circle thingy can be related to the megabird.
@kind bobcat /hmmmmmmmm
This symbol is also apparent in the opening cutscenes iirc.
/wait till night (my night lolz), when i can go around and see how many times the circle appears in murals
The circle is seen in the accessories customization shrine
This symbol is also apparent in the opening cutscenes iirc.
@kind bobcat /the star when we want to see the constelations?
the prairie docks
And yes, the constellations
And if you squint hard enough it's also on the eden door
Does the circle relate to the concept Megan design
I don’t believe so, Kril
The circles also symbolize the stars in the opening cutscene 
But it doesn’t seem to be a reference to Megabird
more a reference to the Elders & King, frankly
Yeah, or just simply symbolizes light
/aw man, not that one
Intensity for the flame colour show case the power ...
interesting
So is shiny bois powerful then?
Because other than us they are the brightest one... Also excluding megabird
We also resemble shiny bois after hugging the light in eden
Yeah
So does that mean we are powerful at that stage?
Dang this is turning into dragon ball z stuff
Is this work like pH works?
Brightest is the strongest but darkest is also the strongest?
/like a parabol
Parabol what?
parabole
it’s a maths term
I didn't know math
it’s parabola, i spelt it wrong
Aaa that thing.... Oh well I don't know what I learned in school
:O
/yea sorry i spelt it wrong
Also how old are you guys?
/no that's personal
Oh alright sorry
That's—
I’m a minor, that’s all you need to know
Oh ye :3
Hmm
/are chibi minors
/what if they very tall?
height ≠ age
/orr, what if they have lived thousand of yearss due to ability to reborn
/how old are skids?
they’re intended to be children, that’s all we know
skids
Oh look a sun... Our yellow star.
Sun is huge.
So is sun a part of megabird?
Seem like that was too huge
/big light boi
Considering how space work
That sub is far away
Sun*
Weird that the sun doesn't make that halo ring when we sees... Even tho it was million time huger than shiny bois
Would you like a lens flare everytime you see the sun in-game? 
Is halo indicate strength of light? 
/i think the flair is just game mech tho
I look it up. Halo can be seen for someone if they have eye disorder.
I don’t think the intent is to convey that skykids have eyesight problems 
I actually have a theory about a canon reason for the lens flare, but I’m not sure about how it works in game mechanically
Basically in my theory the lens flare communicates connections to the king because it’s a visual parallel
Hang on I’ll get the google doc up
It’s only evidence collection but I think it’s a solid basis
In terms of story
I think that the Eden diamond and the winged light, when put together, should theoretically make a whole king
Imprints of the child of light are fragments of the king, spilled out through the fracture in the diamond

And thus our goal is to return the fragments to the king, in the diamond, and make him whole again
I just wanna say. Realms and home is in different height (i read it somewhere). So that maybe conceive different way of how skykid see bright things 
So Eden itself is the king? 
Yeah pretty much, the kid in the diamond is probably the king himself
Have you guys seen moon halo?
The moon doesnt have a halo.
Or the main part of the king that’s remaining anyway
None of the object in the sky has a halo except Eden
and WLs
By Sky i mean the sky, not the sky kingdom 
a h
No like irl moon halo.. because I think it pretty similar to how it work in the game
In real life
Yeah, in real life
the moon doesn’t have a halo irl...
It is.. on pretty rare occasions
That's a bright moon 
I've seen it irl before and trust me that halo ring isHUGE
looks spooky
And again, the wl halos could be a game mechs thing so moths can spot winged light from across the map to kidnap it 
It has that halo ring because of how the light bounce through the atmosphere
Dang imagine shiny bois without the shiny
Tough life 😔
Hahaha
It make sense that orbit has halo ring because ... Well almost like space.
But it doesn't make sense for why an imprint of child of light has one.
If shiny bois was so bright... It will light up the surrounding area.. not like give a halo. You need a humid atmosphere from a long distance to actually create one.
Oh well I love overthinking stuff that I shouldn't.
Anyway it just a theory
A game THEO-
Don't actually trust my science talk
- clears throat *
✨suspension of disbelief✨
Because of how annoying shiny bois lighting up the area.... I see why tgc make a halo instead
I have a theory about halos. Calling makes a halo, and we do that to get eachother's attention. Shiny bois may be perpetually screaming
skid: oh helo—
wl: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
skid:
skid: you ok buddy ?
wl: im a lil messed up
no wonder why winged light looks up at the sky, they take a deep inhale, looks at the sky and screams
Wl: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
SKID: Ah, there you are. Come on.
Wl: ooooooh it's so nice to no longer be expo-
Skid: drops wl
Wl: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
idk this is such a potential for comic comedy xD
i would love to draw this badly haha
Brick and I have a lot of material that never sees the light
Though now that we both have tumblrs...
the screaming winged light be like: AND THE LAST TIME I SEE THE LIGHT
Skid: places light in statue
Wl: AAAAAA? Wait this is actually significantly more stable. Mine now.
I'm imagining someone getting hit by a krill and wl flying across the map screaming
thank you for the drawing ideas, lore chat
no problem, i shalt draw this as well :)
Btw, Eden also has a halo. This means that yes, it too is perpetually screaming
What else would you expect
The unexpected
eden crystal honk
Sky: AAAAAAAAAAA
So that why krill hates us .. they just want to sleep lol
Kinda make sense if you think of it... Like crab.
They look like they were sleeping.
Until they heard our screaming wl lol
Waters in the caves probably help to reduce the noise level significantly, which explains why arc crabs are cranky about losing their water
The island crabs in sanctuary just happen to be synced with the day night cycle, while cave crabs happen to live in darkness and not be
The island crabs in sanctuary just happen to be synced with the day night cycle, while cave crabs happen to live in darkness and not be
@short owl /wait really? how is that?
Probably got used to sun and mantas messing up their cycle
So they adapted to that and developed different sleep cycles.
Cave crabs had no need to do this - they live in dark caves and likely prefer to find their food at night
I may be presuming that they sleep
/guys do butterflys make a sound
/i scrolled up, what if our light, (from a candle we pull out) when got stuff into pots, they just screams for 2 minutes
Stuffed into pots?
/in the prarie cutscene
prairie elder’s clay pots?
Here you go butterflies. Into the pot.
/guys do butterflys make a sound
they make this weird chittering sound
Like giggling
so, basicaly.... a very serious question.... ||sky world is a sponge bob's world?||......
but above the ocean 🤔
sponge bob's has ocean too... but inside of the ocean...
yeah
Everybody when somebody posts a king theory
(Posting this meme here cause it has to do with this channel)
Is it possible that Journey takes place in the Sky universe?
Journey and Sky are two separate games, their lore universes are not connected, according to the devs
This is partially due to Sony having partial ownership of Journey
This one....this pink colour you don’t remember??
So what does it may mean?
Ouh okay maybe it shouldn’t be a lore here😅
Anyway maybe I’ll post another lore....
Here...so....
Do you think that GW Elder have something related to this bones?
I think I have the answer
It does have a related thing....maybe the whale is the creature that protect everyone in sky long time ago....but then they getting weaker because of the corruption....so to seem like a protector of Sky, the GW Elder as Soldier or the Protector using a mask that look alike the Whale Head....
Why I said this is the whale? Or whale bone?or whale head?
See, we get a fish sound spirit from it....but it’s seem like there’s no any fish....so maybe it’s related to whale
Are you sure😁
Or this just my head canon
according to @/bluespirit#8811, who’s an undergrad in biology, it’s a fish skeleton
Ouh okay
Then whale is a fish also
But in this game the head of the whale seem like weird shape

So it just maybe......
that’s cause it’s not a whale head, it’s based on a different fish
Same...?
Ahh it’s okay then
I’m just using this headcanon because I’m bored and I don’t know what to wear...then I think I should imitating some animals from this world...
But then I think some mask has something related to the bones...
It also seem like there some bone mask in the concept...
I don’t know...
I’m just saying this is whale coz I can’t relate with any big fish in this game except for Krill or Whale...
So then why we get fish sound instead of jellyfish sound to call the jellyfish out from the lake and stop the rain?
Super off topic but has anyone else been up to the three waterfall spot in the sanctuary islands? I rode one of the manta rays and I’m assuming that for the last bell, you go up there and find the broken bell there (which I’ve found!)
I’ve seen how ancestors were able to mimic the sounds jellyfish and manta rays, but why are we able to use them? Why would these creatures wish to help us?
(Sorry, just had to talk about this stuff with someone!)
Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s the last bell, it’s nice up there. I dunno much about lore though
I was up there at 3am
I've been. And messaged Brick about it for a joke involving Lamed and peer pressure
Hold on let me find it
Gah it's too long. I'll ask Brick if I can to a tumblr post with it and then share that
About the skeleton, I think it's a whale skeleton cause the shape of the head in skeleton and shape of head of the Whale is very similar both have two horns in front. And also, I've always thought that it was a " Whale call" and not a "fish call" 
Gonna have to be later... Forgot I banned phone Tumblr.
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Super off topic but has anyone else been up to the three waterfall spot in the sanctuary islands? I rode one of the manta rays and I’m assuming that for the last bell, you go up there and find the broken bell there (which I’ve found!)
I’ve seen how ancestors were able to mimic the sounds jellyfish and manta rays, but why are we able to use them? Why would these creatures wish to help us?
(Sorry, just had to talk about this stuff with someone!)
@grave totem
We are able to use them bcse sky kids are very good at copying things, they copy all the expressions, stances and stuff from the spirit ( yeah don't necessarily LEARN them).
And I think the mantas take us to the places realted to bells and hints cause they want us to put the bells back asap. Maybe all the mantas are a family and they want them back quickly. I still haven't figured out how a particular bell calls only a particular group of mantas.
But one thing is clear, the mantas can't themselves restore the bells, only we can, so Whenever we come near them they take us to the bells so that we can put them back quickly. Idk what's Their hurry? Maybe they want Their family ie other mantas back quickly ???
The mantas actually will bring us to the next bell.....or the family of their bell...like these horned mantas both small one and big one will bring us to the highest waterfall....
About the other I don’t know
But I’ve ride the one that surrounding the mantas statues...it’s so fast
And that one lead me to the last one on the crab island in the floating island...
Can someone help me out cause I'm an idiot, what just happened???? I just finished the game for the first time
Also I'm in loads of servers so if you can help me, ping me please
Sorry I'm an idiot
@chrome sky I reccomend reading this before getting too deep into out explinations:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
Anywho, you sacrificed the lights you carried and yourself to send the statue children home. The spirits are dead and so are you, but you returned to the world (being "reborn") with gifts from those whom you gave light to.
I want you to know how much tongue biting I am doing. I have THEORIES related to end of game
@broken basin
I guess that would make sense, if anything, they recognize that the sky bois are helpful to them. I wonder what kind of relationship the creatures and ancestors had? Some sort of bonding relationship? Or did they just coexist?
As for the copying thing, yeah. Personally, I don’t see the purpose of mimicking the other creatures since it normally doesn’t do anything.
I know it’s a part of customization for your sky kid, it just makes me wonder. Is it kinda like when people can mimic ducks? It’s just a cool skill they have.
Or, in the past, did ancestors ride on the manta rays to get from place to place? Maybe they were used for transportation?
I ALSO wonder how old the creatures are, do they remember the ancestors if they’re old enough? If so, do they connect that sky kids are the descendants of them?
@chrome sky I reccomend reading this before getting too deep into out explinations:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/18B1-SKG3toG0oH0VhOWC5o-cG9u0STAN92QvmbhTDto/edit
Anywho, you sacrificed the lights you carried and yourself to send the statue children home. The spirits are dead and so are you, but you returned to the world (being "reborn") with gifts from those whom you gave light to.
@short owl thanks!
We did see manta riders in the prarie wave cutscene
Since this channel is to let the imagination run wild, what if eden and the krills are ancient bio-weapons that managed to get a conscience of their own terminator like, and the starkids are the countermeasure invented later to stop these weapons of mass destruction
Well, my Sky kid is failing at their job then 😆
Does Sky have any relationship with Journey? they seem... similar.
(apart from they're from the same game company)








