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if there's a third twin, they're not twins though
yes but like an accident TT
the lil sis died cause the yeeted fire hit her
Yea, their throne is split into two
Mhm
Or, a former valley elder taking two of his babies that didn’t have eyes. Separated himself and offered his eyes to the babies and died. But his energy lives in the valley twins
There
Happy with the positivity
hm, that brings us back to the valley elders being astronomers

What if they are 1 but 2?
lamed was actually the lil sis
In the old concept the forest elder seduces sky kids to steal they light-
@jovial nacelle wot
If we had the old concept forest elder.
Don't forget that the elders are currently trapped outside time and space. That can easily affect the time of day they're allowed to have.
In sky
Then
boss fight
Forest elder drains our light
And again
We
d i e
alef: here is a child
teth: let me steal the child
alef: NO
No, crabs
Tbh. Teth can steal all my light for all i care
I always assumed the twins lost an eye each due to battle or sumtin XD
Smacking each other with fireworks XD
loreeee
Ye
al
Lole
BACK TO LORE
Hm, which elder would win in a scold off, wasteland or forest-
i feel like the valley twins even if they are elders are the youngest of the elders
forest
Forest
Vault?
prarie
Plot twist: valley elders are the oldest
Or dora
Vault grandmama
Oreo
Plot twist: elders were trying to shun our species by hiding themselves in rocks. Or dieing
Armillary was use in Paralympics
ok so if the valley elders are the youngest then that makes me wonder who is the youngest to oldest starting with them
always loved the fan interpretation that forest raised the valley twins and is just so sick of their shenanigans
Im guessing that the valley elders maybe have one eye for cosmetic/design reasons BUT if we go into details maybe there is more
They have multiple eyes👀 👀 👀 👀 👀 👀
Short definition cause the Long one is composed of zodiac signs and more
Anime spoiler? ||Like how Rem and Ram got one horn cuz they're twins||
The worst experiences for a sky kid to experience from a elder
Getting hit by forest elder’s hammer
Getting whacked back and forth with the valley elder’s paddles
Wasteland elder uses you as a shield with you using home shield glitch
Having a long lecture with vault about stuff
Actually
crazy theory with no backing whatsoever and contradicts so much lore but it has angst: here let’s use one of my magic eyes to help krill hunt creatures of light

Like- the homeshield is perfect
Wow
Wow, nice catch
sam: hahaha you don’t have any depth perception
Also, has anyone ever tried to explain why at the entrance to flying race
The banners are red and blue
But in sliding race, the banners are both blue
You know what sushi at 1st I thought you've
on your name's either side
@hushed steeple screms
rice ball head
"Forgotten hope and promise"
Promise
Oh 
makes me wonder if the sanctuary spirits died last because they were away and didn’t know what was going on
Can you imagine tho
If what we're seeing when we save the spirits are their memories
The sanctuary spirits' greatest memories are of their vacation
Wow I'm dumb
Sanctuary spirits died due to laziness
Or
Hm
How did the belly rub guy die then
exploding for eating too much crabs-
💥
Sanctuary spirit (the guy u collect bells for) looks like he has many regrets;; dunno why
Can you imagine tho
If what we're seeing when we save the spirits are their memories
The sanctuary spirit's greatest memories are of their vacation
@sour grove wow the sanctuary spirits are very depressing now
I wish we got a bit more info as to how the world of sky....got this way
But for now we can only imagine
so.
It's probably the memory from the bell guy since he's in all the sanctuary spirits memories
sips tea out of nowhere.
The memories we see doesn't really mean that's the last times before they die
@hushed steeple although i’m pretty sure some forest and almost all the gw spirits are before they die
It could be possible that they died at another area maybe another realm even in eden

chanting ode to joy
True
I'm pretty sure the GW area is set in a time after prairie/valley
What with refugees and all
yknow those safehouse programs that are disguised as vacations to help people recover from trauma...
what if that’s what the sanctuary spirits are
I wonder if sanctuary came after diamond went kaboom (refugee) or if the spirirts were chilling there and never knew about kaboom
Ack ima sneep now
yeah and like papa manta is all sad or solemn because like he knows
what does spirit guy want
@thorn spade he just wants u to find his bells
I wonder if sanctuary came after diamond went kaboom or if the spirirts were chilling there and never knew about kaboom
@tender dune other spirits: save us therr are kabooms
spirits at sanctuary: there are WHAT
I like how those xtra special memories are just...
A new species
@thorn spade he just wants u to find his bells
@tender dune ah okii
Ack ima sneep now
@jovial nacelle gnight
Sanctuary spirits could've been researchers 
papa manta: there is no war in ba sing se
So I assume that the cap is actual light? Since light doesn’t have a shadow, and our capes have no shadow
a little reserve for creatures so they don’t get turned into power diamonds?
Rest of spirit realm: dying
Manta papa: Ooh look a shell
Had fun but i g2g too
Uhm... Wrong timing for me hahahaha
xD
Uhm... Wrong timing for me hahahaha
@glad geode there is no wrong timing. Just all lores
Yeet us with lore
do it
a lot of the sanctuary spirits seem to be not as relaxed as you’d expect for like people on vacation
don't forget sunscreen!
:0
thank you skybot
Skybrah i want crabs
Seeing jellyfish call spirit and manta suit kid kinda does make it look like they were there for something else
they seem like siblings 
They seem too busy playing to relax
His emote is epic tho
yes
like with the timid spirit, grumpy spirit, and grateful spirit they seemed to like need encouragement from papa manta
to like,,,relax
What if all the sanctuary spirits were of one family?
Manta suit seems to be into sports?
Manta racing maybe? 🤔
Although its cute, especially as a chibi. The suit looks like a uniform? Like the daredevil suit or for race car drivers
i think, if they’re all from different realms, Thrillseeker would be from valley
or they’re all from valley, if they’re an affluent family
@hushed steeple thats just....
Hail oreo
hail oreo
just a rich family taking a vacation
it reminds me of like a slice of life story and jelly is the protagonist
i just...thought of something
"Rich"
What's the currency for spirits tho?
I got lore questions
During the time on the ancestors, were skykids around?
No
nope, unless you count the prince who is kinda?? but a lot of people don't;;
i mean our currency is light
And what about for spirits👀
So we were birthed Into this dead world to restore light
yup
Prince? 
he's like a tiny skykid with a diamond/star face
From jenova Chan's nightmare
really ?
Maybe
WOAH
the prince was inspired by a nightmare ?
the king is still canon but i hear differing things about the prince
Is the king just a tiny dude on a big throne LUL
nope that's his body uwu
That's what we also think👀
prince may or may not be canon
king is definitely canon
The king body is a mech
@lethal stump that's sauron
yup uwu
It could be also possible that's the king's body as well
So canonically every living being that was before the skykids is dead?
@small perch even trees
Not creatures tho

I guess light creatures dont count as "being alive"? Since they're not made of flesh
here's some old concept art of the king
Imagine fighting the king 💀
I guess light creatures dont count as "being alive"? Since they're not made of flesh
Hmm. .. Maybe👀
I wish there were more lore
there is its just impossible to find 
Like by the end of the game, it doesn’t feel like you accomplished anything lore wise
The whale i feel is totally alive tho
It does dmg to us
Whale has natural body
The amount of the times the whale has hurt me lmaoo
We can't see him
Sad
Or maybe we can👀
A theory says skykids are the king tho
What statues?
Ugh eden is already hard enough but thats be cool
Wasteland statues I guess
I don’t feel like the king is dead imo
i like the theory that says he became the storm
What if he came with a new season
I would say he’s still alive but corrupted and unable to die by the darkness
What if he’s trapped inside the diamond
Yeah
We're the king
Prince
Werevall scattered pieces of the king💕
We gotta save dad 
i hope someday we’ll see the prince/king in game
Me too
Till then take Oreo as the king?
im crying just imagining a little skykid crawling up to a corrupted and fallen king and just honking
He is the king in our hearts
If the king does ever show up I think I will cry doe
just a sad little honk like "hello me/dad/grandpa"
King might be you.... King might be me... king might be all of us
sad boi hours
I'm gonna look up the complete unabridged lore of this game cuz I have a absolutely no idea what's going on
God if we do get to relive the spirit of the king
Imagine doing those seasonal spirit drag quests in rock rain
I'm gonna look up the complete unabridged lore of this game cuz I have a absolutely no idea what's going on
@analog temple there's a document pinned here with a compilation
Oh noice
just concept art and popular theories
It can help getting you started
I'm just so lost and I need answers lol
I'm loving the pfp isuharu
if you have questions we can answer with theories and the very rare canon crumb
i just imagined
skykid: sad tiny honk
king: GIANT SAD HONK
Manta call but make it ✨big✨
Krill call
there is no storm, just the king spamming honk
Uh can I uh share something I noticed here...? Might spark some conversation
So loud it bust my speakers like how dying in Eden does sometimes
There's a krill in my soup
yum, shrimp :))
but yes tell us
theresasnakeinmyboot
Anyway not sure if this has been seen before
But
Boat in Wasteland and mask from forest are the same and my thought process was
Well forest elders are blacksmiths so maybe the warriors in wasteland are getting weapons from this boat etc etc.
It doesnt make much sense but it's a thing i thought
I know that shape is a motif in the game but they are almost identical
That's the king statue?
that’s not a boat, that’s the king 
That is the mast at the front of the boat (':
That's the king
Anyway
I was wrong but i just wanted to share
My apologies 
King protecc boat
you're all good! diamonds are a popular motif in the game
From what tho, Krills?
Tho it shows forest mama wearing a king mask👀
forest mama was a king fangirl
Forest aunt might be onto something

teth: senpai
alef: uncomfortable
That's solid XD
I agree that the forest people were smiths of a sort, most of the spirits are involved with mining
And we know that forest was intended to show the "price of modernisation/tech advancement" through the anniversary tweets
Also, since forest is the place where the physical/rocks/structure for the power diamonds is created what if the connection here is that the King got corrupted bcz of losing all his light. No energy, no soul, just body
That is the mast at the front of the boat (':
@hushed steeple you can find more statues like that in wasteland
im guessing that since mines were probably heavily monitored the masks miners and blacksmiths wore were king propaganda in a way
Cursed king body
LOL
This meme is peak comedy
thank you
You're the creator? 
miners: h-
teth: wear this
miners: why
teth:
If so thank you for blessing us with such a good meme
ehe i am a propagandist afterall
🧱 is the king
Anyways, they could have also wore the headpieces willingly
Y'know how some people use merch of things they like
So like "I support king!" propaganda
someone brought up the statues in wasteland, and we chatted about them. someone called it « king propaganda » and so i made that meme
so what you're saying is
That headpiece also represents powered diamond as well tho
everyone in the forest is a king fangirl?
what did they even see in the king
Maybe since the miners/smiths made diamonds (right?)
They wore that as a sort of identity XD
not to be cursed but maybe by ancestor standards the king was hot and charismatic ???
- screams *
IM SORRY THEY ASKED
how do i unsee a message-
Don't see
I'M SO SORRY
Close your eyes
time to rebirth
?
w ha. t

I DIDN'T MEAN IT I SWEAR I JUST AM ALWAYS CONFUSED AS TO WHAT THEY SEE IN STAR HEAD
charismatic
good with words
i wonder that too
i always thought that since he came from the stars they saw him as a god
less...awkward to think about
please forgive me for i have sinned
all the elders came from the stars tho
i do not forgive you
cries
All hail Megabirb
yoo hage
p r e n c
hah his head is in the ground
Jay your prenc buried in grass
Oooh the dude in the middle
Now we know what the mural version of the Eden elder looks like; and it does not match the person in the intro
And don't you forgot something jay?
then who could it be in the intro 
ALSO NOTEWORTHY THE EDEN ELDER IS HOLDING AN OOORRRBB
||Apple||
like the king in the vault mural 
It’s identical to the old concept timeline and in the old concept timeline, thats the prince
although it’s office...should we count it ?
Since they’re the prince in the concept art I think this means prince crowning them self king is canon
hold on the elder's head looks like the light in the intro 
y e s
It does relate to this tho, the prince in the middle
Oh and how he’s holding and orb
Hey that's the symbol we see everywhere
@gray bridge not quite, there’s a tall line coming from his head
oh yeah true oops
it’s the eden crown
is the symbol for the constellations at home different as well?
It’s sort of both
The diamond prince head and the symbol from the intro and the....other places where we see it
Yeah the constellation table is different as well
👀
im hesitant to use that thing in the water, it might just be an easter egg, since it’s behind the tgc cape wall
They explained before I think
wdym ?
Then there’s two questions to ask a dev when they’re in the chat next; is this canon and is « but darkness blinds, so I cast them away » canon
if a dev comes on and you’re not here, can we cold @ you, Hage ?
You can always cold @ me about questions or new lore
okay !
oh question, does the one thing near the island on the bottom look like a boat at all?
I noticed it when I was there last time
looks like a boat to me
brick, why do you have Vault twice in your nickname
Ye it’s the prince on a boat
And I’m guessing he jus likes that nickname
it’s vault vault !
Here’s what we got from reika but I think we’re still all unsatisfied
"this is a picture of the final scene of the last stage ["Original Sin" in Japanese] in Eye of Eden"
so is the prince in orbit ?
interesting that it's "original sin"
Though I think you’d be better asking yourself if I’m not online haha
devs aren’t usually online long
And I still got confused about it
It’s identical to the megabird and the prince and their cycle of life, I don’t get how it could be the last stage of eden
Pretty sure light awaits isn’t canon but when they sneak around, I’ll ask em
Ah so it is canon; don’t need to ask that then
Just whether darkness blinding is still canon
Light Awaits may be interesting, but I don't think a lot gets to be cannon
there’s parts of LA i hope are canon
do they mean the ascent to orbit
with the portal?
as the last scene of Eden?
it kind of looks like that in the picture, but it's hard to see
Idk, but
I think nagati put that picture in the notes
ah
like the elder bodies around the diamond...that’s so cool and i hope it connects to something
So either the pic is wrong or we are all interpreting it wrong
That’s a good question, does it represent the ascent to orbit or rebirth? Or is it their lifecycle? Does it mean the prince is canon?
yeah there’s so many things it could be
King is canon but the prince talk
That’s still questioned
yeah
There are tons of prince concepts, there’s a million options to base on
Stuff to ask devs 
also, and I'm so sorry to be asking again, has it been established that king=eden elder or no
raf saïd that one of the devs said the price was scrapped, but couldn’t find which one it was so hhhh
i don’t think it’s canon, but most believe that’s the case wren
pics or it didn't happen
2 main sides of the prince
One where it’s a different person, and one where it’s the king before he got crowned at valley
imagine if we got a cutscene of the crowning

I mean, the one mural has a figure with a crown
Yeah!

i’d go rabid
I would think that the crown indicates a king, not a prince, especially given the size
it's also interesting that the old Eden constellation was a crown
old eden constellation ?
might technically not be current canon, but still interesting
The mural shows his humanoid figure as a head with a crown, but theres a lot indicating that his head is the diamond thing from the concepts
are we talking about the water mural ?
I got some good pic of that should I post it?🙃
also thought it was interesting that the favorite friends constellation (crown) was renamed The Light, which is Eden
pics pics pics
there's so much detail in the game
Ooh
oooooo
damn that’s quite the crown
Hage im sorry but I think Alefio one uped you
wait Jay, can you send the pic again?
I think I see something
could be imagining things
also, does anyone have a pic of the old favorite friends constellation?
Haha I’m okay with that
Nope jay hage was my inspiration

That's my pfp tho
Technically that’s not even my pic
That’s the pic I stole from hage in the search bar
prepare for absolutely terrible drawing skills
Hey... Why does it look like their light is draining out their arm
Are u talking about the pentagon thingy and the hidden lines in the mural?
I had a better pic but I accidentally deleted it
did it on my computer, so I'll have to go over it again later
the lines are a little faint
Really👀
there's some fainter lines that kind of go across the king's face and into the ball
No oreo isn’t canon haha
I HAVE MISSED TOO MANY CRACK THEORIES!!
how could we have not known before hhh
I am oreo
I wanna eat you
he is in our hearts
But what if 
lots of things are in our hearts, we don’t have much canon 
Brick!! What happened to you 
runes 
Should I be afraid?
always
yeah that
I have my tinfoil hat on, will it keep me safe?
yes
I have terrible drawing skills
yeah that’s the constellation already—

Wasn’t that the old fav friends constellation ?
(Since someone was asking)
It's old or it's still that?

it was extended in a relatively recent update
pretty similar to today’s
used to only have 17?? visible
but us skiddos are too friendly and we needed more fav friends 
You can definitely have more now, that's for sure
And, fav friends are the best
I only have those who actually like me there
i only have friends that give me light there
And those who send me hearts back
Ahhh, great minds think alike
The others are banished to the sides
Nyeeeee
mainly cause i’m a solo kid, i just. do things on my own
what the hell has become of this chat i was reading past messages

Crack theories
LMAO
i saw one that said teth/ forest elder was a nine tail fox
me: wh-
oh yeah, old concept art
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE
The only way to make us stop is by giving us more lore

Yeah
thats tru
imagine if the elders had the ability to turn into their old animal concepts 
TGC GIVE US LORE THESE THEORIES ARE MAKING MY BRAIN GO NYOOooOOm
Animals
what kind of animal will vault elder be
i dont remember what she was
she might me
be*
a cosmic whale

imagine if the elders had the ability to turn into their old animal concepts
@lethal stump
I don't care as much about the elders, but what if WE get to be animals
bull mask makes you an actual bull 

This gives me jojo vibes...
the mask makes u into ZOMBIE
Because of the stands?
ok maybe im overlooking dis
No not the stands the masks
Ahhh
Well, they aren't exactly zombies, more vampires
ture
ture
true**
they drain out blood
With a very annoying sound they make
Especially Dio
I HATE DIO!!
We went way off topic
bUt this aint jojo this is 
But while I can I'm gonna still say it
I HATE DIO
O k
is my fanmade season a good idea
or a waste of time
where did you put it ?
If u scroll up-
actaully it got buried
Uhhh
Oh and while I'm at it, I HATE Kira even more
its called Season of Honor...?
um
It would be best to just repost it
i drew the quest master
where ? in lore chat ?
That's pretty good
thanks
uh
wishlist and ideas?
And it would be a really good idea

I think you put there things you want added to the game
idk if tgc will see this season there are tons of fanmade seasons
They probably will
I drew one of the emotes
lel
Butterfly call
But i edited the hair sketch
Hi all. Does anyone recognize this language?
This is better in #sky-fanart-sketches-and-art-chat ?
Maybe
i slready posted there
Hi all. Does anyone recognize this language?
@compact olive someone translated
Hi all. Does anyone recognize this language?
@compact olive
I'm insane don't mind me, I thought it was Arabic
No
Wait
Or am I going insane
I d e k
I'm going insane aren't I
I can't see it good
ok im gonna ask about season of honor in wishlist
it’s not in game
It’s in concept art only
Brick did I posted the right pic?
Am little confused
it’s correct
@hushed steeple what language is that image of translation in crayon?
Well I was not in the convo when the maker posted it
I was actually talking about this pic earlier BUT NICE CATCH WREN
woah what’s that ?
But once unciphered it in English ?
It's like prairie dad running over rocks while spreading his leg
« warrior »
« labourer »
etc
ballet prairie dad 
imagine if the elders had the ability to turn into their old animal concepts
@lethal stump WASTELANDELDER YES
spoider man

imagine seeing spooderman elder in game oh gosh-
owo
It looks like he’s eating the light
So the king is god
What if he's a false god
maybe they saw him as a god
And what if he stole light
Yeah possible too
What if he's the reason the other Elders fell
probably is 
Is the Tomzhao concept art backstory not considered?
Hmmmm interesting 
So they all knew each other and they all lived in orbit
Which is where Megan is and where pure light was
it’s considered, but it’s optional as it is concept art
They didn't listen meant they didn't heed the warnings that the king was becoming corrupted
And in his quest for power he stole the light, and by doing that he brought darkness
@hushed steeple is the tomzhao concept art not a part of this theory?
@hushed steeple is the tomzhao concept art not a part of this theory?
@compact olive
Not it isn't, it is my own original theory
I don’t think that the king caused the others to fall, the intro makes it seem that the other elders fell from the megabird and the Eden elder was born from the clouds afterwards
@Serapis🔻#8192 But all of the concept art and the in game spirit stories + location sites generally point to the same thing, no?
The stars are the elders
But maybe the intro isn’t chronological and the king was born from the clouds and lured the elders down
we don’t know anything, it’s Hage’s theory
This game has been in development a while, there were a couple different stories before the current one
My guess is that the king stole the light, which is why he is worshipped
For bringing it
same, Smoll
But in doing so he caused darkness to descent to the lands
Which caused the elders to fall
@hushed steeple if you watch the intro closely it shows the Eden elder falling from the clouds not orbit, but as I said that doesn’t mean they couldn’t have caused the other elders to fall, entirely possible
@compact olive
Not it isn't, it is my own original theory
@hushed steeple where did you come up with/decide on “the king” title For this theory?
In my own theory I at the very least think the king is a ancestors and not a elder at all
He may be represented as big, BUT ancient Egyptians also drew their Pharaoh's bigger than all the others
The King is canon, that’s the name the devs gave him
There’s two canon events of darkness that happen: something causes the elders to fall “darkness came”, then they build a civilisation and later something happens in eden related to Darkstone/power diamonds and the storm happens
@lethal stump was this in a live stream? (The title of “king”)
concept arts and dev confirmation in chat
@lethal stump I’ve been poring over the pins and can’t find the “chat” part you are referring to. Could you clarify?
There’s two canon events of darkness that happen: something causes the elders to fall “darkness came”, then they build a civilisation and later something happens in eden related to Darkstone/power diamonds and the storm happens
@hollow pier
My two theories are that either the eye was corrupted by all of the elders light being stolen and it was overloaded or it was slowly corrupted which led to it becoming fragmented
But the end result is and always will be the storm
@lethal stump I’ve been poring over the pins and can’t find the “chat” part you are referring to. Could you clarify?
@compact olive this server, this channel. I don’t know if it’s in the pins or not, I don’t have a screenshot either
Which caused the apocalypse
@compact olive in my pinned google doc down the bottom are some quotes from devs in this channel that confirm the king
But, it would make sense that the king lured the elders
If he did, he probably earned their trust first and naively they thought him how to use and harness the light
And then he stole it from them
What if the voice in the beginning is Megan
And those who didn't listen are the elders, who didn't want to believe the king was decieving them
I think I have finally completed my theory
Thank you @hollow pier
I feel The king has to be an elder or at least some type of higher life form other than the normal people. He lived through both the sunset and dusk eras of time. Doesn’t that denote immortality(age only) or perhaps each descendant has represented the same king in statue and monument?
I am still going to die on my tiny hill tho, the elders used the last of their powers and plunged themselves into eternal solitude to save pieces of their land from the apocalypse along with the followers who didn't turn against them
I feel The king has to be an elder or at least some type of higher life form other than the normal people. He lived through both the sunset and dusk eras of time. Doesn’t that denote immortality(age only) or perhaps each descendant has represented the same king in statue and monument?
@compact olive
We don't have much to go on, but anything is possible, he could be a elder, he could be a ancestor or even a completely different being all together
We have very little lore to go off of, which gives us the free range to make up any theory we can
imo he was the first elder created cause his story for me is a lot like lucifer’s
It would make sense
But at the same time
Only 6 elders are mentioned
They all sinned
Maybe he’s not mentioned because he’s higher than an elder? He originated on the planet?
So it doesn't make sense not to mention him
We can only speculate on what he is, but he could be
In the beta his Stone was broken next to the other 6 elder stones
He could have even been born out of the darkness
what stone ? like the grave things ?
I haven't seen that
me neither
I’ll find screenshot brb
In any case, he could very well be the reason for the other Elders fall
And the reason they all lost their light
In the intro cutscene, the child there is supposed to be the king. The 6 elders in the in star forms were in support of him-
Oh btw, @lethal stump remember how you talked about the elders bring trapped in prisons, I just realized something
what ?
Was it you or someone else
it was me, what did you realize ?
There you go
The only difference is there is nothing in ours
What if it isn't a prison where they are Brick!! What if because they lost their light, they are stuck in the same place we get stuck when we die
He was clearly an elder or higher little over a year ago
And the devs said “he cannot be saved anymore” like the other 6
Hmm, idk, since his grave has nothing on it, that could mean something
imo when we die that’s not our time loop prison, we’re able to escape. the elders can’t, even when we give them light
the whole thing, the realms, are our prison. they’re always the same time of day, the plants reset daily, etc
we cannot escape the realms in their frozen state much like how the elders cannot escape
At the very least it would mean he was corrupted
by Null and me, yes
imo when we die that’s not our time loop prison, we’re able to escape. the elders can’t, even when we give them light
the whole thing, the realms, are our prison. they’re always the same time of day, the plants reset daily, etc
we cannot escape the realms in their frozen state much like how the elders cannot escape
@lethal stump
I think that's just game mechanics, but when you give them light, the thing that shoots up into the sky, the large beam, I think that's them finally being free, we get the same thing when we fly up and away from it
I'm a complete idiot for not realising it till now
ah yes
« game mechanics or lore »
My theory is that nothing can rejoin megabird without light.
If he was corrupted it would mean that he either tricked the other Elders or fell first
Elders only get “saved” after you bring them light
Yep
so, Smoll, is rebirth just a game mech then ? for you
Nope, I think the rebirth is supposed to be lore, we are reborn, but we aren't supposed to be reborn as a sky kid
That's why everything turns white
as what then ?
Who knows
I think the cut scenes are lore, and the game mechanics are a foggy version of lore. (Just my opinion)
I'm purely basing my argument here on WoW lore
whats wow ?
Even after you kill a boss and see the final cutscene
Can you brief me on “time prison” ?
You can still redo the boss over and over
whats wow ?
@lethal stump
World of Warcraft
WoW isn't the only online game that does this, but I'm using it as an example here
Especially since you are able to resurrect yourself in the game, but so far we know of only ONE race that has actively been acknowledged about coming back from the dead
time prison theory !
so the devs have said that the elder cutscenes take place in an area that is outside of spacetime, but still affects reality. the way i see this, this is their punishment. a time-out box, if you will. additionally, since i believe that the sky kid (there’s only one in my canon) is a reincarnated prince/king, i think that the realms themselves have been frozen in time as a punishment for him as well.
also using a fighting mmorpg’s mechanics in a convo about a game where you don’t fight and the aim of the game is to die kinda seems like a false equivalency there, Smoll
But I'm not talking about the fighting
And the lore is the same in that game as is in this one
If the game ended after we die the first time, everyone would finish it quickly
The game itself it's big
Maybe we should simplify and compartmentalize the game? For simplicity’s sake?
Which would mean not a lot of activity
im saying the game doesn’t end after we die, though. it’s a repeating loop. it never ends
Here’s an example of what I mean....
And I'm saying the rebirth part is the only part that is true, but not a never-ending cycle
We are reborn
We just never see as what
And after the credits, we just get to restart everything as a new kid
Only it's our character
There is clearly GameRules as intended. (GAI) you move a character, you press a flame button icon to use a candle to open a door...
the elders can’t, even when we give them light
@lethal stump actually the elders do escape, they go straight to orbit where we can see them
how does that not count as « what we’re reborn as »
@lethal stump actually the elders do escape, they go straight to orbit where we can see them
@hollow pier
Exactly, we see them beam up, in the same type of light we get to escape from
Then there’s Personal Use rules.(PU) for example... using a chair icon to glitch through a door.
Can we all agree that GAI (gamerules as intended) and PU (personalRule use) exist ?
I agree
Okay, so... the question then becomes...
Where does playing a second life (after rebirth) fall for you personally? Under GAI or under PU ?
The cutscenes are definitely lore and follow the story
GAI
Based purely off of my experience with other games
neither GAI or PU seem to have anything to do with lore though, just game functionality
And @lethal stump Brick ? Is playing the game a second, third and fourth time GAI or PU for you?
Yes. But if we simplify we can then better gage where lore is for each of us.
GAI i guess ?
I still certainly believe that it’s part of the lore, being reborn
I'm not denying that
I'm just saying I don't think we are stuck in a loop
The game just continues
Like in some games where you have to take out a fire, and after a few seconds the fire starts again
But you're told you saved the village or whatever
Okay but here comes the tricky part we need to clarify... is the orbit scene lore?
yes, orbit counts as lore
So your friends who are not playing eden who you see their names flying towards megabird is GAI ?
To clarify Brick, I believe we are reborn into anything living in the Sky universe after our rebirth
For all we know we are manta
We just don't see it
but there’s nothing to show that
not even in concepts
why do you think that’s the case ?
Does my question make sense?
So your friends who are not playing eden who you see their names flying towards megabird is GAI ?
@compact olive
My guess is that those are some of the kids we save during Eden
but there’s nothing to show that
not even in concepts
@lethal stump
Anything is possible, we could be reborn as kids again
but what makes you think we can be reborn as not a skid ?
But then the game is designed to have your friends, who are dancing and playing piano in vault or wasteland, ......there... in Eden/orbit with you,
and...?
@compact olive
My guess is that those are some of the kids we save during Eden
@hushed steeple
To clarify, I think our friends we see have already fallen and when we free the other stone kids we save everyone
like in beta where the statues had friends’ names, Smoll ?
Lmao😆 @sky kid = skid
Yeah
Like that Brick
Basically making it seem like we are saving everyone who is our friend or not
We are in a way the saviour of us all
but what makes you think we can be reborn as not a skid ?
@lethal stump
It is a mini theory based on nothing, which is probably wrong
okay, that was what i was wondering about
But even if we are reborn as skids, the world around us is changed, and we get to reply the game over and over and over
But you believe that your friend who is playing piano in wasteland at the exact time you see their soul/light spirit flying in orbit is soul-less/lightless or that there are two of them? How do you explain that in your own interpretation?
For our personal use
That's what I was trying to explain, I'm sorry I confused you
But you believe that your friend who is playing piano in wasteland at the exact time you see their soul/light spirit flying in orbit is soul-less/lightless or that there are two of them? How do you explain that in your own interpretation?
@compact olive
But that doesn't matter, at that time we in the game are saving the other kids, so it doesn't matter where they are, it matters what we see
in my interpretation, as someone who plays solo 99% of the time, sky is a solo adventure. no friends, just past rebirths.
So playing piano in wasteland is PU compared to the eye of Eden/orbit cutscene
i really don’t understand these abstractions, Oz
Well it sounds complicated now, but it’s clarifying what you see as lore and what you just see as a game mechanic. What is personal canon for you and what is universal cannon
There is only one base of confirmed canon, and that’s the intro and the gameplay
But besides that, tgc wants us to make up our own story and use our imagination. Technically is there no written out canon story
I can respect that. I do have a question @lethal stump
what ?
That’s what this chat is for
To discuss ur imagination of the game
How do you explain the double doors requiring two skids to open?
Like in your interpretation
Ancestors may have opened them the way we do
Connect it with light as a key
That’s my interpretation
mechanics
in a « real world » application, they are able to be opened by one person. but that’s my headcanon
Well... there’s generally candles standing by almost every door in prairie but none inside the area for hidden forest end....
So in the age of day, it would seem the ancestors used candles to light the dark stones (diamonds)
Those candles could be long destroyed, and we use our candles bc it’s our source of light
But they could’ve used any source of flame to activate the doors
But that’s simply my head canon
Like @lethal stump said. They could open it by themselves with whatever light source was available
Maybe a security feature so only people carrying a butterfly jar could activate?
Do the multiperson door areas have something in common? Maybe shared with the 8-person elevator? For that matter are the 4-person gated areas twice as something as the 2-person gates?
Only city entrances/exits have single dark stone locks
But houses, storage units, etc. all duel locks
Here’s a crazy thought
Maybe they were never locked?
I have something to say
If we follow @lethal stump solo theory....
I completely agree with Brick, the game is solo
Yes smoll? I’m all ears
Everything is supported by the fact that we are the only skid in all of the cutscenes
We shepherd the same spirit and so on
We are supposed to be the only skid
Okay I can respect that. That kinda sounds like “fact”now that you linked cutscenes
Pft so our contrails are skidmarks
The reason it's multiplayer is because like most games, it's more fun with other people
But, I think the other skids are made like ghosts to us
Because we are supposed to be alone
They aren't supposed to "exist"
Even in the cut scene of the opening, the “sun god/megabird /narrator” says “I’ve sent you” and only shows one light fall from the sky.
Great head way! @hushed steeple @lethal stump
Hey
The difference here is, me and Brick don't agree on the ending
I think the game ends after we go through the light
Does anyone have contrary ideas of it being a solo lore experiences (GAIj) but a multiplayer PU experience ?
The rest is just a reply of the game
I noticed something about the wings. Do they look like paper to anyone else?
... How can the game have ended if we haven't unlocked the final gift? There's a surprise ending not in the fame yet and I really want it
dépends on if you consider cosmetics to be lore or not
Bingo @lethal stump
Why would it be a cosmetic?
They are definitely just for us
ultimate ultimate, after unlocking all cosmetics
that hinges on cosmetics as a « lore » feature
It would be mighty boring if we all looked the same
^
So is it a consensus that the “moth” look is the lore skid ?
same
That's why we all start with the same look
So do you believe the duel doors are just a game mechanic that helps PU/multiplayer experience and not part of the solo GAI experience?
Yep
The game is supposed to encourage helping each other and of course making new friends
So the ending... when does it become multiplayer experience territory for you ?
So it was definitely added to encourage us to help each other
The ending isn't multiplayer tho
When does it stop being canon?
The entire ending is completely solo
From the moment you enter Eden to the moment you die and are reborn
But it says “you’re about to be reborn”
Yes
(quiet correction that generic double things are “dual”, “duel” is two people fighting, and now I have Hamilton stuck in my head again)
But what does the cut scene show? (After it turns white)
Reborn leads to wing buffs?
You can warp to your friends throughout whole end so your flying with them 🙂
We could be reborn into a new world for all we know
Doesn’t it show a candle flame?
No, it shows us falling
Which indicates we are starting the game all over
As the fallen skid that is supposed to save the world
@gaunt sleet samuel (I think that would fall under using table to glitch through door, no?)
Wait @hushed steeple checking cut scene on YouTube again. I thought it showed the candle light if you don’t skip
Oh, never really thought about that candle after the credits 
You always skip the credits? 
No no , you can go through eden complete the statue bit together and just warp so you can hold hands as you cant hold hands the normal way, just trying to say your not alone through the end
We basically speed run the game after to get our wl
Just delay skip until after orbit star
Must signify something, eternal flame? 
Okay back
Hmm, what does that candle mean? 
Eternal light that cannot be put out? Does make me think that it is supposed to be the same skykid when you're reborn. His spirit lives on in new form?
No it after
Is that what happens when you respawn without unlocking any spirit locks?
It is! And you glitched to the 0 winged light area 
Actually have no idea how you got there from orbit 
I think the candle in the end symbolises our creation, we are supposed to be like a candle for some reason
Or maybe it's supposed to be symbolism that there will be always light to counte the darkness
@modern smelt there are also statues of him in valley I believe as well (king)
Something funny, back in Droid beta, the candle was bugged and would appear unlit. Just wick.
It was so depressing 

There are statues of king there
@modern smelt
We've discussed them before, we think that the closer you get to Eden the more king propaganda there was that was being spread
Like saying, yep, yur dead 
I thought the candle because it's safe to interact with dark and light. Most of what we see is one or the other, but in reality you need both to work together for a healthy system
@hushed steeple where do you draw the line between lore and pU ?
pU? 
@hushed steeple where do you draw the line between lore and pU ?
@compact olive
What do you mean?
In the ending cut scene
Even the song in the end has symbolism
Everything in the game has symbolism
But the credits don't have to be connected to it
The candle appearing lit could very well be symbolism
In the end cutscene it cycles back to you being brought back with a wing to start game over again
Yes
And I believe I already said that I believe that is the beginning
Further supported by the fact we experience the same cutscenes and everything else
So at what point do you feel the cutscene doesn’t represent a second playthrough, or a loop as @lethal stump suggests ?
The second time we are reborn
We don't know what happens after our rebirth
But why would WE the hero of this universe be put in a prison loop
It also doesn't make sense that we are the king
@hushed steeple no I understand that PU it’s a second playthrough, but what makes the lore part end before the rebirth fir you personally?
cause we're not the hero but a prison
Why would Megan trust the king to do good, IF he is unsavable
@hushed steeple no I understand that PU it’s a second playthrough, but what makes the lore part end before the rebirth fir you personally?
@compact olive
We see the credits roll, and we don't see what happens after
That’s a good question @hushed steeple (thinking on it for a second)
It is in my opinion done on purpose to let our imagination roam free
Which part is the question?
We force the prince to see again and again what happened to his kingdom and watch helplessly as we die a rather painful death because of it
Why would Meghan trust king if unsalable


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