lore-discussion-spoilers

[heady sequoia]

Skykids cannon species name: lightbulb

[toxic delta]

Wait

Whut

[heady sequoia]

fear the lightbulbs, pathetic excuse of a dragon

[toxic delta]

That hilarious

[celest spoke]

Death Note except everything is made of crayons

[toxic delta]

Another thing how can they fly

[heady sequoia]

They are dragons

Also

[toxic delta]

I mean they dont weild light but they fly just fine

[heady sequoia]

Chinese dragons

:>

[toxic delta]

Yeah I can see that

But m like I though u need to have light to fly

[lethal stump]

« write the name of someone in this book and they’ll die »
« sir i cant write i dONT HAVE F I N G E R S »

[toxic delta]

Wait

We dont

[heady sequoia]

XD

[toxic delta]

I never realised we dont do we have toes

[celest spoke]

Do you bite your thumb at me sir

[lethal stump]

i just thought of something

[toxic delta]

At lest we can give a thumbs up

[lethal stump]

sky: the musical

[toxic delta]

Isnt it already one lol

[lethal stump]

i mean with singing
on a stage
and voice lines

[celest spoke]

The thumb’ll come up, tomorrow

[brittle gust]

If vault and Isle will have season maybe a BIG change will be

[toxic delta]

I need that emote

I want to use it when I get krilled

[celest spoke]

Is thumbs-up cross-cultural tho? Could be tricky considering how alt-right is co-opting Ok sign

[toxic delta]

At this point I think it is

Maybe not before this

Wait maybe it can be offensive somewhere

I need to research

[exotic shuttle]

gentle reminder that this channel is for lore discussion... if you want to have a more casual chat about sky, #general-sky-discussion is your friend

[lethal stump]

im still thinking of sky: the musical
debating if it should be about the lore or about the current story
cause i might actually write this

i can imagine the costumes

[toxic delta]

Cosplay

I want to see that

[lethal stump]

oh im making a prince cosplay currently

the hardest part is figuring out how the hEck the mask is supposed to work

[toxic delta]

It looks more like a helmet than a mask

To me

But I cant see that back so

[lethal stump]

i wonder if i should make it out of a soft, light wood or if i should use PVA foam

[sweet dirge]

@lethal stump smol king of mech king

[lethal stump]

i will be smol king
although i’m still

• checks height *
  about 2 feet taller than the prince

[sweet dirge]

Lol

[lethal stump]

if sky was a movie, the king should be played by jake gylanhal or however you spell it

[kind bobcat]

The king would be a large square with a diamond on the top.

[hushed steeple]

I have one more alternative theory, if any of you are interested

Sorry, it takes me so long and some of you are interested

To write I mean

[lethal stump]

il interested ! do tell !

[thorn spade]

yeeeees

pls tell me the theory

I LOVE THEORIES

[hushed steeple]

Okie, I'll compose it now

[lethal stump]

[hushed steeple]

So, like my previous one, this one also follows the same prenise. Something happened that caused the Eye of Eden itself to become corrupted. After digging a bit in this server I found some interesting things, these things to me at least suggest that the king of Eden became corrupted. We see sky kids who appear to be sacrificed, in addition to the whole zone itself showing signs of a war. This would indicate that something did happen.
In Wasteland we can see there are two different types of shields, ones who have a sun and ones who have something that looks very similar to the Eye of Eden itself. This suggests that the war was between the elders and the king himself. But looking at all the zones and the construction of some items and the elders themselves wear, it is very obvious that at some point they worked together and were united.
The Devs also said that there was an apocalypse.

So, based on all of this, this is the theory I came up with

What's if the king became corrupted, consumed by greed and power he wanted to take all the light for himself, so he decided to take it. Going from land to land, he took the light for himself from each elder, and since only one of these elders is a warrior, the others had no choice but to give it to him. From the looks of it, only the Wasteland elder chose to fight, but again, we can see that he failed and that his light was also taken from him. There is a high possibility that he died during this battle.
What he didn't know tho is that by doing all of this he was corrupting the Eye, the biggest source of light in this world.
When we look at Wasteland and the starter zone, we can see that they are the only two zones that are surrounded by water, which would suggest these two zones aren't in the sky, and the only two zones that are devastated, no growth no nothing, they are barren wastelands.
So, what if while the king was waging war, stealing light, the world began to die because of the corruption. The elders noticing this, made one final act, using what was left of the light they could find, used it to send pieces of their lands up into the sky, away from the corruption that Eden was spreading, so that they could save their people.
We can see this in action in the starter zone itself, the land that is on the ground and not floating is a barren wasteland, while the land that is floating is flourishing.
And since the Wasteland elder was defeated there was no one to bring some of the Wasteland up to the sky.
This was the apocalypse for this world, the whole world being plunged into darkness and killed off all life.

And we the sky kids were tasked to try to restore it to its former glory, only non made it, so instead we were given a new task, to save those who have fallen and bring them back home, so that they may help us in our new quest, to shepherd the spirits to the light.

Or maybe the sky kids tried to stop the Eye from becoming corrupted, but were too late, and when the explosion happened they all lost their light in one go.

Alternatively, the Wasteland elder could have been holding off the king, while the other Elders were supposed to escape.

[lethal stump]

that’s an amazing theory owo

[kind bobcat]

That's a long theory

Yes, the king did get corrupted at some point

[hushed steeple]

Thank you

I like to cover all bases, as I don't like major plot holes

So I haven't perfect everything before I tell it

This are the two theories that make sense to me, from what we are given

But, the king was definitely corrupted since we can see the sky kids being sacrificed, for what we can assume is harvesting their light

[lethal stump]

im just wondering, so in this theory the eden diamond is already there and working fine ?

[hushed steeple]

Yes

My guess is that the Diamond was actually a source of their light

[lethal stump]

also skykids are new, i don’t think we co-existed with the king era

[kind bobcat]

And it behaves as an opposite of darkstone.

And yes, skykids didnt exist in the king era.

[hushed steeple]

If the sky kids are new, then that small part of the theory is off

[kind bobcat]

We were sent down by the megabird to restore eden or something.

[lethal stump]

i need to make a timeline of canon events, or events that aren’t canon but everyone accepts that they happened

[kind bobcat]

And the mysterious child of light.

[hushed steeple]

We were definitely sent

Which is why I'm assuming we are stars

[lethal stump]

the prince

[hushed steeple]

Since we fall like stars

[kind bobcat]

The sacred texts

[lethal stump]

no, that would make us the same species as the elders wouldn’t it ?

[kind bobcat]

No, we're hybrid while the elders are halfway into being indifferent

[hushed steeple]

Well, the elders are spirits

[sweet dirge]

That is concept art that's not officially canon

[hushed steeple]

Which would mean when they died they became stars

[kind bobcat]

The spirits aren't elders.

They're a different species.

[hushed steeple]

At least I thought they are like the spirits

[kind bobcat]

Well, they behave sort of the same way

[lethal stump]

species of sky:
skykids
elders
ancestors/spirits

[kind bobcat]

and creatures

[lethal stump]

and of course, light and dark creatures

[thorn spade]

krebb

[kind bobcat]

too lazy to list them all since they all look the same to me

[hushed steeple]

So in that case we are some kind of species

[lethal stump]

all of the light creatures look the same

[kind bobcat]

Mantas are just big butterflies

[hushed steeple]

My guess is stars, since we fall like them

And in the beginning cutscene we are shown like stars

[kind bobcat]

Maybe, but i think we aren't stars.

[hushed steeple]

But, there is a chance I am wrong

[kind bobcat]

Yeah, we aren't stars, we're called "Descendants"

the stars are probably the spirits and the elders are the constellations.

[hushed steeple]

That makes sense

[lethal stump]

but the elders are called stars in the beginning cutscene

[hushed steeple]

Or maybe the land itself is the constellation

But descendants of what?

[kind bobcat]

Descendants of the megabird

[thorn spade]

we are DESCENDANTS OF BIRB

[hushed steeple]

In that case we are pure light

Which makes sense

[kind bobcat]

No, we're hybrid.

[hushed steeple]

We are like candles

[kind bobcat]

A mix between darkness and light

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

[kind bobcat]

Somewhere between krills and whales

[thorn spade]

the darkness and light bender 😎

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I keep forgetting that we have to halves in the end scene

[thorn spade]

wait yeah

[lethal stump]

fully light: connected
half n half: descendant
fully dark: indifferent

brb gonna find the tomcept

[kind bobcat]

This should also help in categorizing things.

[hushed steeple]

So we were created to be both light and dark, and our purpose is to bring the spirits back, while also giving the elders back the light they lost

[kind bobcat]

Maybe.

The elders did get corrupted alongside with the king

At some point in the past

[hushed steeple]

I say this, as so far we have no other objective

[lethal stump]

and one could argue they were almost as bad as him

[kind bobcat]

The king/prince handed the elders special darkstones which made them godly. And then slowly corrupted them.

[hushed steeple]

Well, in the past we tried to save the eye

[lethal stump]

i mean, why would they fall from heaven if they were good people ?

[hushed steeple]

That's true

[kind bobcat]

It would make sense we were sent to restore their light, because darkstones absorb fire.

[hushed steeple]

They are like fallen angles

The elders

[lethal stump]

the original demons

[hushed steeple]

All it took was one of them to become greedy and corrupt them all

[lethal stump]

yeah, since the other 6 were already on that path

[hushed steeple]

Or at the very least suspectable to corruption

In the end they lost everything

Which is why I am assuming that they used what was left of their powers to save some of their lands

As sort of a counter measure

And to possibly give the few they could save a home until they died

[kind bobcat]

You should check Tom Zhao's website if you havent, it has a lot of lore in it.

From concept arts, ofcourse.

[thorn spade]

LINK PLSSSS

[kind bobcat]

It's pinned.

[hushed steeple]

I'm definitely going to do that

[thorn spade]

how do i see the pins

[hushed steeple]

I'm really interested in the lore of this game

[thorn spade]

oh wait

found the pinned stuff

[kind bobcat]

And then there's this

And the megabird mural in the office entrance.

[short owl]

I'm not so sure the elders were that bad. In fact, if the problem is that they lost the metaphysical connection to the megabird, they'd be trying to take care of things all on their own without the decision making assistance they're used to

[kind bobcat]

Showing someone, which may be the prince being handed light/fire by the megabird

[short owl]

@kind bobcat ngl that looks like it would be a neat pin

[kind bobcat]

y e s

[lethal stump]

when you use STAR with it, you wear the prince mask

[short owl]

Sorry, anyway... As part of an overall whole, they likely had better tools for keeping track of the needs of others. Falling would mean figuring out communication of needs from scratch

[lethal stump]

hey wait a sec
if thats supposed to be the light, why is it blue ?
blue = darkness usually

[short owl]

I think they messed up and were unprepared, and that it caused a lot of problems, but I don't think they're bad

[hushed steeple]

Maybe they chose to fall on their own or playing devils advocate they thought that they deserved more

I don't think they were all bad, just the one, the king

He spread his corruption

[kind bobcat]

@lethal stump it's maybe just the design-

There's another variant with it in white-ish yellow

[lethal stump]

• clutches my seven deadly sins headcanon * y’all are so forgiving

[kind bobcat]

And here, enjoy a picture of the corrupted king

[hushed steeple]

That's pretty cool

[short owl]

It's possible that the king needed more - when you are in a collective, individual needs can get overlooked.

[hushed steeple]

@lethal stump we are all sinners in the end, non of us are completely pure

[lethal stump]

yeah, but I think all of the elders were impure to the point of being bad people, respective of their « sin »

[short owl]

He likely needed more guidance, at the minimum, and perhaps safer oportunities to learn natural consequences of failure.

[hushed steeple]

I guess we will have to wait to find out, I for one am neutral, believing they could have been sinful or innocent

[kind bobcat]

Judging by the architecture, it could be that the king ordered or allowed the construction of wasteland

Since it has tons of statues of him

look at it

[hushed steeple]

Definitely, I think that's why Wasteland was the only area with warriors

But in the end Wasteland turned on him, since we see Wasteland carrying a shield with a sun

[kind bobcat]

The closer we get to eden, the more king influence is seen

suspicious

[short owl]

To be fair, that's how a kingdom works

[lethal stump]

woah getting closer to the kings castle means more references to the king

[kind bobcat]

Who said eden was the king's castle

[short owl]

The agricultural areas tend to be more independent since there is so much space there, and they tend to be farther away ald less protected

[kind bobcat]

maybe he constructed eden

maybe he made the crystal himself

[lethal stump]

maybe hes the crystal

[kind bobcat]

maybe the elders were victim to his evil plan

MAYBE SMOLL ANT WAS RIGHT

THE KING IS EVIL

[lethal stump]

hasnt
hasnt he always been evil, in other theories ?

[hushed steeple]

Have I started a new conspiracy? (‘◉⌓◉’)

[kind bobcat]

I see him as just this kid with insecurity, giving the elders darkstones because it makes them godly.

Just like how emperors thought mercury heals you

[short owl]

The middle class/aristocracy areas tend to be independant exertions of the kingdom's needs and wishes. Not a lot of outright propoganda is needed to keep it under control bc most people want their licence and ability to buy stuff

[hushed steeple]

There is a chance he wasn't evil in the beginning, but like everything else, the more power you have the more you crave

We are all suspectable to this

[short owl]

We are not immume to power corruption

[hushed steeple]

So even if he had good intentions, they possibly turned bad at some point

And this led to a apocalypse

[kind bobcat]

Maybe they made the eden crystal to harness every bit of light there is.

[short owl]

The factory workers likely had the most trouble "staying in line" because being a factory worker can really suck. You are not paid enough, not given the connection or satisfaction from the end product, and your day is highly regulated. Oh and there's a good chance you are "expendable"

[kind bobcat]

And ended up destroying the world

[hushed steeple]

That could also be a thing

[kind bobcat]

Since darkstones absorb light

And the eden crystal is basically a big red flaming darkstone crystal

[hushed steeple]

What if in his greed to take all the light he created the very thing that would end everything

[kind bobcat]

Maybe he made the crystal to help his civilization grow

[hushed steeple]

Well, Forest isn't actually barren, it does have trees and light mushrooms and so on

And the water there is due to the rain

[lethal stump]

everything is abandoned, boop

[hushed steeple]

@kind bobcat that could also be a reason for its creation, and then he turned it on his people

[kind bobcat]

If eden was actually a big power plant, it would make sense he made wasteland.

[hushed steeple]

Wasteland has non of that

[kind bobcat]

Vault is in wasteland and is the entry point to eden

[hushed steeple]

The starter zone does, but it seems to be due to the floating islands on top

[short owl]

The birds and mantas seem to be migrating to the crystal

[lethal stump]

oh you mean like, having any life at all

nvm

[short owl]

With the goal of creating sort of a light path

I suspect we are not the first part of the plan to get everyone home

[kind bobcat]

He made wasteland as a barrier to protect vault an eden, two important places that is prone to dark creature attacks

The wasteland concept art also featured turrets

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm

What if he didn't want anyone accessing that knowledge in Vault?

[kind bobcat]

Exactly, vault is a vault

Not everyone is allowed inside.

[hushed steeple]

But like not from darkness or anything, but to keep it to himself

[kind bobcat]

The entrance to vault is mentioned as an opening that appeared after being degraded by time.

So maybe he made vault in case something happens, and wanted to protect it as much as possible

And the vault elder, which seems to be the elder in charge of knowledge, is put in charge of the vault

[hushed steeple]

I just remembered something

[brittle gust]

I'm baaack

[hushed steeple]

The Devs I believe, if I remember correctly, said that the Vault residents built a ship to sail off into the sky to run away from the apocalypse

What if Vault was where they hid?

What if Vault was their fall shelter?

No, ark fell with the traveling spirits

[kind bobcat]

TS doesnt have anything to do with lore, maybe.

[hushed steeple]

Oh

[kind bobcat]

Examine the tomcepts

[brittle gust]

Feels like Vault is full of technologies composed from Dark materials

[kind bobcat]

No, that's wasteland and forest

Vault is full of memory lanterns

Although darkstones may be used for the elevator

[hushed steeple]

@kind bobcat I swear I read somewhere that they answered a question and said that

[kind bobcat]

Also, the ark got destroyed.

The elders destroyed them.

Maybe because it's all darkstone.

[hushed steeple]

Hmmm

This supports the theory that the elders were corrupted

But at the same time

Maybe they weren't

And the ark had something on it that needed to be destroyed

[ocean ivy]

So much reading and understanding....
This lore is fairly deep! Even if it is old concept, maybe a fair amount of it holds up.

[short owl]

Maybe it's when they became corrupted. If the king took the brunt of it (being king and huge, he may have took the majority if the corruption because he felt that was his job) then he would have seen the most effects.

[kind bobcat]

Well, the king really looked corrupted.

Very corrupted.

Compared to the other elders in the concept arts

[lethal stump]

i wonder if he was around the diamond when it exploded, so he got the worst of the storm beginning

• ba-dum-tssssss *

[kind bobcat]

I like to see the darkstones as a container for light or energy, if the king did create the eden crystal to harness the light of everything, it may have overloaded and exploded, destroying everything, while at the same time taking all his light and corrupting him.

[lethal stump]

that’s what i’ve been thinking

[kind bobcat]

Same braincell

That makes Sky just a really horrible work accident.

[lethal stump]

i think at first it only stored the « holy light » from orbit but he wanted it to be more s t r o n k

[kind bobcat]

Thats why we see a ray of light coming out on top of the crystal

[short owl]

Vault was likely doing something reasearch related, and may have already dawned protective gear. Prarie had tons if experience with light creatures and darkness weeds, so he may have had the easiest recovery. Forest had deep technological experience and was able to counter a lot of the effects on their physical body, but not their Self. Valley faced heavy corruption, but was able to stabalize by turning it inward, splitting themself in two

[kind bobcat]

The explosion is merely a release of the energy within the diamond.

And then just formed into a beam

Shooting upwards

...i guess

[lethal stump]

yeah, and that explosion caused the storm

[kind bobcat]

Bingo.

[ocean ivy]

I do wonder what that one part implies about making the elders “godly”
I get literally they become ultra cool advanced people, but maybe it gave them a form of a god complex too. Considering the king makes wicked amazing decisions.

[kind bobcat]

ah yes, lets make a big dark crystal that outweighs even myself and put it on the centre of our culture

[lethal stump]

king makes wicked amazing decisions

• glances at literally everything * i don’t feel that’s entirely accurate

[ocean ivy]

King is huge. Huge thing has big energy. Still go boom.

[toxic delta]

great plan m ma build my castle near a potentially civilisation killing weapoen

[kind bobcat]

How does it still spews out beams and causing storm? Wouldn't it be extinguished by the time we came? Skykids came way waaaaaaayyyy long after eden explosion
@hushed steeple the existence of mantas and various light sources indicate that there is still light, and the eden crystal will still absorb it.

[short owl]

And it would still be collecting energy from the environment.

[kind bobcat]

And the red rock rain might be fragments of the crystal.

[lethal stump]

This kinda reminds me of tower of Babel
wait a sec
now that i think of it, sky is just the tower of babel story but with a worse ending

[kind bobcat]

The eden crystal will only be turned off after it is completely destroyed or it runs out of light to absorb.

If it really is a container for energy

[short owl]

It may be possible to turn it off... But I doubt it would be untrained kids that manage it

[kind bobcat]

Our goal in eden is to rescue the lost children, not to destroy eden.

[short owl]

Maybe it will be something to do with the ultimate gift for reuniting the elders?

[kind bobcat]

"bring our lost stars home"

not "destroy eden"

[lethal stump]

that’s for pART TWO—

[kind bobcat]

SKY 2

[toxic delta]

so what is our job in sky we seem to have no other purpose in our life other than saving our peeps

[kind bobcat]

RAZE EDEN

[ocean ivy]

“We kinda did a oopsie! Mind just uh.. bringing back the ones we kinda.. Y’know.. made not alive? Thanks- the elders.”

[kind bobcat]

HONK AND FLIP

[ocean ivy]

I’m pretty sure our little baby sky hands can’t obliterate pure darkness the area..

[kind bobcat]

Thats why we send the crabslayer.

heavy metal starts

intense honking

[short owl]

@ocean ivy that's why we use our baby light on a baby candle stick

[lethal stump]

im thinking the king’s motivation went from
« let’s get ourselves back to orbit »
and eventually became
« i will dethrone god »

[kind bobcat]

And megabird went :
" Haha light go disconnect "

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple I like your theory better

It would also explain why everything is up in the sky

I can't sleep at night so I make up theories and stories xD

[kind bobcat]

I like the eden power plant theory

Every king would want their civilization to grow.

Unless the king didnt even make eden or the crystal.

Which just destroys the theory.

[storm wedge]

do we know if the devs will ever explicitly reveal anything about the lore?

[short owl]

I doubt the king did make it, but he probably did have it made

[kind bobcat]

No, the devs wouldnt reveal the lore

Because they want us to make theories.

[short owl]

Kings are usually more the coordinator type than the trade worker tuoe

*type

Forest may have helped make it though

[kind bobcat]

" hey, build this "

" ok, what does it do? "

" Just build it bruh stop asking questions "

" lmao k "

Well, forest is where they mine darkstone

They discovered darkstone there.

[ocean ivy]

If anything from all the tomcepts vault elder was the superb smart one

[kind bobcat]

Alright, i need sneep, and here's a reminder of how the king looks like the opposite of the megabirb

[lethal stump]

ye, thats dark stone

i don’t think so

it’s certainly bigger than he is

megabird IS hair

i mean, we don’t even know how big the lad is

going by the « king is a mech » theory, he’s about the size of the wasteland statues (minus the pedestal), although when comparing a skykid to the diamond to his head, the kings head is still smaller

he’s probably taller than the diamond though

what does that even mean aksjsjsggdf

what was the theory, i’m interested

[thorn spade]

eats popcorn

all theory gud theory

show me

his head go boom boom

[lethal stump]

oki

[gray bridge]

well king was definitely

[thorn spade]

the sky world in the past was wack indeed

[gray bridge]

mindblown if that was the case

[thorn spade]

KSAKDJAJDHS

ur right

[lethal stump]

res.........
i swear to megabird—

you are like the sans of the sky fandom

[thorn spade]

you are a king propagandist but u swear to megabirb

[lethal stump]

o no
am a traitor

[gray bridge]

who knows man, king could have been the size of burj khalifa in-game or something since we can't see him anymore

[thorn spade]

prairie uncle luv butterfly but doesnt he send them to forest mom to c r o m c h

who knows man, king could have been the size of burj khalifa in-game or something since we can't see him anymore
@gray bridge he thikc

king is thikc

[lethal stump]

well we have a general idea of how tall he was, relative to the height of the eden doors in ascension

[thorn spade]

king bigg we smoll

as s?

sjajdjajd

[lethal stump]

i wish i had the environment drawing abilities of reika and zhao, then i could draw what i thought eden looked like before

[thorn spade]

same man same

MAN SAME like what the frikc is a tree

[lethal stump]

i can draw ppl and some plants, but a landscape/environment is t o u g h

[gray bridge]

i think eden was probably was a pretty grand place with that floating castle above it and all

[thorn spade]

how to time travel in sky bc i wanna see past eden,,

[gray bridge]

funny enough landscape/environment is more of my thing but i can only draw in pencil

[lethal stump]

i don’t think the castle was always floating, i think it was blown into the air by the diamond exploding

[gray bridge]

possible

[thorn spade]

the only time i could draw backgrounds was 2 months ago after that i lost my entire ability to draw

[lethal stump]

also i imagine eden starting as like...an inactive volcano which was overgrown by plants and a host to many creatures (like the actual Eden in ze bible)
and then the prince and elders move in and clear out some of it to make the castle
and as time progresses it’s just turned into a bare cliff of pipes and machinery, with the castle looming at its peak

[thorn spade]

ZA BIBLE

[lethal stump]

ze bible

[gray bridge]

eden is apparently in the shape of a diamond

as well

[thorn spade]

they be floatt doe

[lethal stump]

chunk of eden is a funny phrase

[thorn spade]

misread it as chonk of eden

[lethal stump]

prairie elder is the chonk

[thorn spade]

awwww chonk

[hushed steeple]

Aye

Don't see what else it could be

[lethal stump]

i wonder what it was used for
maybe it was alef’s personal rooms (bedroom n stuff, if these guys sleep)

[gray bridge]

ahh the infrastructure reminds me of valleys'

alef is concept name for king

[lethal stump]

alef is the prince/not-corrupt king

corrupt version is resh

r e s

[gray bridge]

the arched part with the pillar below are like valley's bridges and the towers are similar as well, so i guess the bridge connected all of them

[lethal stump]

yeah all the names are hebrew letters

also would we ever be able to put the names in the pins ? they’re kinda fannon names, half fan half canon, i think it’d be useful

i’ll check

[gray bridge]

19th then

[lethal stump]

i love they have one that’s just
‘He’

if we list the elders in order of their letters it’s

Prince/Non-corrupt king: Alef
Isle: Dalet
Forest: Tet
Vault: Lamed
Valley: Samech (Samekh ? idk how to spell these anymore)
Prairie: Ayin
Wasteland: Tsadi/Tsadeh
Corrupt King: Resh

right to left is how you read hebrew, yes

[brittle gust]

I saw something interesting

[gray bridge]

yes oops my mistake

[brittle gust]

Its about Vault

[gray bridge]

go on

[lethal stump]

[lethal stump]

IF YOU PUT THE ELDER NAMES IN ORDER IT TRANSLATES TO DEATH SENTENCE * SCREAMS*

it’s probably actually jibberish
b u t s t i l l

[vague adder]

WHAT

[kind pagoda]

going through all realms eventually is a death sentence

[delicate coral]

you got one wrong

that's not samekh

[lethal stump]

i cant find samekh on my keyboard

[vague adder]

going through all realms eventually is a death sentence
@kind pagoda I mean yeah

[delicate coral]

it's the circle

[lethal stump]

ס ?

[kind pagoda]

Yup

[delicate coral]

yes that's the one

it ends up as 'deathslatter' which is mildly less intimidating

[lethal stump]

is this better or worse

[thorn spade]

jUST THE SAME

[vague adder]

F E A R

[thorn spade]

in conclusion sky is just brrrr dead dead whooooosh

[delicate coral]

oh that's not resh either

ר

[vague adder]

Sky players: nooo you can't just kill children!
Sky: haha death go brr

[delicate coral]

that's resh

[lethal stump]

ר

[thorn spade]

Sky players: nooo you can't just kill children!
Sky: haha death go brr
@vague adder child abuse game

[lethal stump]

ok yeah now it’s just « Deathslatter »

which means nothing

aside from d e a t h

all the elder names in order of realm

i put them in order alphabetically and it was just nonsense

in yiddish it’s just « detstslar » which...is what it spells

death negligent ?

wasteful deaths ?

[normal berry]

my my my this sure is something

[thorn spade]

f e a r

[normal berry]

I mean not rlly for me

[lethal stump]

i bet the devs are lurking and are as surprised as us about this

[thorn spade]

hebrew speaker can u confirm

[normal berry]

this aint my first rodeo with creepy stuff hidden in games

[thorn spade]

omg

[lethal stump]

not afraid of death, then ?

[delicate coral]

lel I don't speak hebrew, I just double checked the letters on the keyboard

I made sure that the sounds matched up with the diagram

potentially I did make a mistake somewhere but I double checked them all

[lethal stump]

i think we have hebrew speakers here, we can ask them

if one shows up

[normal berry]

m'grampa speaks hebrew

[lethal stump]

[gray bridge]

this is some creepypasta level stuff

[normal berry]

"hey grampa, does this say D E A T H S E N T A N C E ?"

[delicate coral]

I think the key here is that regardless of what letters we add to the end, the beginning stays as death

that's pretty indicative that there's meant to be something to these letters

[lethal stump]

isle to valley is « deaths » in yiddish and hebrew, according to google translate

[normal berry]

where can i find the names?

[lethal stump]

wasteland, vault, and both king names are just
« tslar »

[normal berry]

tslar doesn't mean anything i think

[lethal stump]

no it doesn’t, all i was given was a transliteration

צלאר
into « tslar »

[normal berry]

I'm just saying i think you need all the names together for a coherent translation

[lethal stump]

yeah

« d e a t h s l a t t e r »

i wonder what will happen if i add random spaces

[normal berry]

heh

on a different subject do yall think that the eden elder = the king ?

[orchid crypt]

i thought that was generally accepted as fact?

[lethal stump]

here’s the only ones that made any sense

[normal berry]

tbh i kinda hope not, just because it would be interesting to have a mysterious long forgotten character that no one has even seen concept art of

but most likely they are the king yeah

looks like "deathsell r"

[lethal stump]

that’s why i included it, was a lot like « deathseller »

[normal berry]

tbh i think IF this ins't just coincidence they are meant to be put together, it just makes the most sense

but @lethal stump , try separating the king's names with a space

[lethal stump]

for thé ‘deathsell r’ ?

« Detstsl A r »

something i find interesting is if you put Tet and Samekh together you get Tsadi

teenage dépression + adulthood carelessness = midlife crisis

דעטסצ ל א ר

Deaths for r

[thorn spade]

s c a r e d

[normal berry]

what about reversing all the letters?

[lethal stump]

ooo i didn’t try that

[delicate coral]

It comes out as nothing

Just what the letters are in english

[thorn spade]

keysmash

[delicate coral]

Only when it doesn't translate to an actual word

[normal berry]

when i typed the letters into a hebrew keyboard they typed out as reverse so maybe thats how they are meant to be

[lethal stump]

one way means d e a t h
the other means random keysmash

[delicate coral]

Something that should be noted is that in all the concept art, the letters are spelled differently to what everywhere else on the web says

daleth in the concept art is dalet everywhere else

teth is tet

samekh is samech

[normal berry]

oop yes

[lethal stump]

maybe they’re using a dialect ?

[normal berry]

"Raltssted" hfjlawvvdsl

[delicate coral]

It could be a dialect

It could also just be because they didn't want to directly be using hebrew

[lethal stump]

main hebrew dialect i can think of is yiddish

that’s also a possibility

[delicate coral]

maybe it was just a transliteration error or something

[lethal stump]

oh dude there are so many ways to spell these letters

[delicate coral]

either way it means we should take the exact translations with a grain of salt

[normal berry]

so how did we go from deathslatter to death sentence earlier?

[lethal stump]

i spelt it wrong
i did the wrong character for resh, i did ך not ר

[normal berry]

oooh

tbh this is hard, it could very well be just a coincidence

cause i think they would choose something that makes a bit more sense than "deathslatter"

unless we are doing this wrong that is

[lethal stump]

if i were to use one of these letters to name the skykid, i think ‘Nun’ would be the most...possibly accurate one
« to sprout, offspring, descendant, life, hier to the throne, faithfulness »

[normal berry]

"the skykid" as a whole species you mean?

[lethal stump]

well, canonically we’re alone i think, so naming the canonical kid

[normal berry]

can someone kindly point me to the lore file that has their names please

[lethal stump]

the elders’ names are scattered around concept art

[normal berry]

ah

[lethal stump]

i found most of them in Mr Zhao’s work

[normal berry]

id like to do some research on them

well, canonically we’re alone i think, so naming the canonical kid
@lethal stump wait rlly?

[lethal stump]

i think

i heard it a while back that we’re technically alone, the multiplayer is just a game mech

[normal berry]

dang i hope not

that would be depressing

[lethal stump]

also ‘Resh’ (reysh in the thing i’m reading) means

a head, a person, what is the most highest, most important, chief

imma just type all the meanings here since the pic i sent is hard to read

Dalet(h): a door, a path, a way of life, movement (into or out of)

Ayin: the eye, look, appearance, to see, understand, experience, to be seen, a fountain

Tet(h): a snake, to surround, to twist, a twisting or a coiling

Samech/Samekh: a prop, to support, prop, aid, assist, a slow twisting or turning aside (like a propped up plant)

Tsadhe/Tsadeh/Tsadi: a fish hook, to pull toward, something inescapable, desire, trouble, a harvest, righteous, to hunt

Lamed(h): a staff, cattle goad, rod, to control, prod, urge forward, go toward or forward, teach, learn, tongue

Alef/Aleph: ox, bull, gentle, tame, the leader, strength, what is first, Adonai, thousand, teach

Resh/Reysh: a head, a person, what is the most highest, most important, chief

imma copy this to my notes so i can pull it up whenever

[celest spoke]

iirc from the English font used for some of the other concept art, there was some doubling of letter equivalents; what if it’s the reverse this time and there’s artificial splitting to avoid duplication, so “deathslatter” is actually “death’s ladder” i.e. climbing up Eden?

[delicate coral]

I think that only works if they were trying to translate manually without the assistance of a hebrew speaker

[lethal stump]

i think TGC is smorter than that

[celest spoke]

Do we know enough about their dev team if any of them would know Hebrew?

[lethal stump]

they’re a diverse bunch, maybe one of them is jewish/israeli and knew a fluent speaker

[delicate coral]

here's the thing though...

[lethal stump]

?

im scare

[delicate coral]

I was just doing some reading on wikipedia, and it appears there's a chance we have the wrong language

[lethal stump]

what

what language then ?

[delicate coral]

These letters all come from something called the 'semitic abjads', which were used in a load of languages

the bad news is that most of these languages are no longer in use

Stuff like aramic and phoenician

[lethal stump]

oh yeah i knew that

[normal berry]

list off all the languages we can use and lets start translating

[delicate coral]

But since it was so long ago, they aren't used anywhere and we can't get translations

However, since they are an important part of history, there's people that study them

[lethal stump]

i think it makes the most sense to start with hebrew though, since Sky is heavily influenced by judaism, christianity, and islam

[delicate coral]

And that means that there's a possibility TGC outsourced their translations with a historian and we have no way of figuring out which language it was

[lethal stump]

i doubt they would do that, especially if these are meant to be hints for their 7+ player base to find

[delicate coral]

I'm just not sure it's feasible for us to figure out the exact translation, but if we do have a hebrew speaker then it's still obviously a no-brainer to check with them

yeah lmao I was thinking it's an extremely small chance that they went with that, but stranger things have happened

[celest spoke]

Did we also check gematria values at some point?

[lethal stump]

arabic would be worth looking into as well

Gematria ?

[normal berry]

greek?

[delicate coral]

my main point is that we have pretty much confirmed that the elder's names have something to do with death

[celest spoke]

Numerical values for Hebrew letters

[delicate coral]

that's the main thing for the lore

[lethal stump]

oh the numerical letters are, in order of realm:

[normal berry]

AAAAAA I THINK I GOT SOMTHING

HANG ON

[lethal stump]

4
70
9
60
90
30
1
200

[celest spoke]

Or they could be an acronym from a phrase/sentence

[lethal stump]

THE GOD OF DEATH

• SCREAMS *

[normal berry]

Thánatos is the greek personification of death

[lethal stump]

he’s also their version of the « reaper »

[celest spoke]

Wait where’d you get the N

[lethal stump]

i feel like we’re actually figuring something out

[delicate coral]

that's also the translation you get when you plug in 'deathslatter' though

[normal berry]

im just saying at least we actually HAVE something now

[lethal stump]

wait
remember one of the meanings for Alef was « Adonai » ?
well, i looked it up and

Adonai ( אֲדֹנָי, lit. "My Lords") is the plural form of adon ("Lord") along with the first-person singular pronoun enclitic. As with Elohim, Adonai's grammatical form is usually explained as a plural of majesty. In the Hebrew Bible, it is nearly always used to refer to God (approximately 450 occurrences).

it means god

[normal berry]

im still skeptical if this was all just a coincidence though, cause y'know the 7+ player base

[lethal stump]

wdym ?

im hoping this isn’t just confirmation bias

[normal berry]

I feel unsure that they would add something so complex to a game that IS aimed at a younger audience

[delicate coral]

but it's l o r e

[lethal stump]

actually i feel this is a good way to hide it from the youngins
kids can enjoy it, teens and adults can stress over the meanings of names

[normal berry]

yeah its possible that they added this for the older part of their audience

[delicate coral]

realistically the younger player base in general won't dig into any of the lore

[normal berry]

ANy ways back to the lore

[lethal stump]

also, related to Adonai...

According to jewish law, jews are forbidden to say the name of God (YAHWEH). Instead of saying it as it is written, jews are commanded to replace it with the word adonai which means "Lord". To indicate this, the hebrew text shows the letters of Yahweh, but with the vowel pointing of Adonai.

so the letter Alef is directly related to the name Adonai, which can mean Yahweh aka god

[junior grotto]

hey guys my friend is jewish and knows hebrew, are there any things i should ask him?

[lethal stump]

:000

uHh theres so many things we could ask

[junior grotto]

gimme gimme

[lethal stump]

maybe clarification on the translations would be a good place to start

ill dm you the translations so i don’t clog the chat, @junior grotto

[normal berry]

yessss

[junior grotto]

yeye oki!!

[delicate coral]

I think all we need is the translations and whether those letters can be put together to spell something

besides 'deathslatter'

[normal berry]

@junior grotto also unrelated but i love the soul eater pfp

[junior grotto]

@normal berry 😳😳😳😳 thank u i love maka

[lethal stump]

im doing big thinky rn

[normal berry]

Im also big braining as well

[delicate coral]

Perhaps the first 4 names are intended to spell out 'death', and the last 4 names are simply based on the meaning of the letters?

The first 4 spell 'death', but the meanings don't fit as snugly as we might like

and the last 4 names fit very well, but don't translate to anything

[normal berry]

[lethal stump]

what if Alef was a god appointed by Megabird ? Megabird is a lot more powerful than him, so it’s like a CEO appointing a general manager
he was the god of the Sky Kingdom, heaven part one (orbit is heaven part 2) and the other elders were like co-gods, angels maybe
but then darkness, sin, corrupted them and destroyed heaven

and now us, the descendants, have to help clean up

[normal berry]

maybe megabird was sort of like a titan and the elders were like the pantheon greek gods and seized power from him/her/them

[lethal stump]

and eden is olympus

[normal berry]

a destroyed Olympus

[lethal stump]

and if they’re greek-esque that means there’s plenty of space for them to be just as flawed as humans
megabird i imagine is like the abrahamic god, benevolent and all-seeing

[normal berry]

cause you DO see all the elder shrines together, so eden could very well have been a place for them all to meet

[humble barn]

so the letter Alef is directly related to the name Adonai, which can mean Yahweh aka god
@lethal stump FYI "To indicate this, the hebrew text shows the letters of Yahweh, but with the vowel pointing of Adonai." doesn't mean Alef is directly related to the name Adonai

[short owl]

Crack theory: The reason the elders "fell" was because there was an argument about MegaBird throwing light creatures at the ground without consideration for the fact that hitting the ground hurts?

[humble barn]

Alef is a consonant

[lethal stump]

wh
it’s a vowel though

[humble barn]

No look up IPA for alef

[lethal stump]

megabird: yeet the manta, yeet the bird
elders: maybe you should stop yeeting creatures ?
megabird:
megabird:
megabird: y e e t t h e e l d e r s

[humble barn]

Hebrew vowels are small dots and dashes added above/below the characters

So "the hebrew text shows the letters of Yahweh, but with the vowel pointing of Adonai" means, when there's YHWH in the text, they add a-o-a-i vowels

[lethal stump]

huh

funky

this is getting so crazy and i love it

[humble barn]

https://yrm.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/adonai-yehovah-vowel-chart-stroke.jpg

^clear explanation if you're interested

[delicate coral]

Ngl researching the Hebrew text stuff felt like I was doing an ARG, and now I’m realising how much I want a sky ARG to uncover some lore

[lethal stump]

ikr

[delicate coral]

Imagine the ciphers with all those glyphs

[lethal stump]

i might try and figure out if the glyphs look anything like hebrew

[brittle gust]

Sorry, what is ARG?

[orchid crypt]

"augmented reality game"

[humble barn]

the glyphs of bells resemble hebrew letters actually

tho they are not exactly the same

[orchid crypt]

basically a kind of puzzle/easter egg hunting game where the clues lead you all over the place in the real world or the internet

[lethal stump]

Augmented Reality Game
online games that are orchestrated by the game master to require hacking sites, searching up word meanings, translations, codes, etc

like Cicada 3301

[brittle gust]

Maybe theres something in Israel that can be related to Sky?

Because of Hebrew

[lethal stump]

[humble barn]

since the hebrew-letter elder names are confirmed to be scrapped I think it just indicates devs were interested in the old testament

[lethal stump]

aw, they were scrapped fr ? i just thought they didn’t use them much anymore

[brittle gust]

Ooooh so what's the latest writtings found in sky?

[lethal stump]

glyph time

all the runes/glyphs

[brittle gust]

Cause if we can find it's origin maybe there's something on that place that can relate to sky

[humble barn]

99% sure, 1% chance it's not scrapped, but I doubt they gonna use such a direct irl reference

[lethal stump]

it’s what we have though, until we get something else it’s just calling them by their realms or by their old names

and the thanatos thing is cool

[delicate coral]

In any case it still might be worth speculating about, since it gives some indication of what direction the devs were taking with the elders initially

[humble barn]

yeah that was cool lol

[normal berry]

I wanna translate the runessss

I wanna know what they say

[lethal stump]

certainly fits with the « old sky was PG-13 » if their names culminated to « God of Death »

sounds like the old elders were most certainly not good

[normal berry]

that is interesting

[lethal stump]

old elders were absolutely metal

[normal berry]

they were madlads

AAAA WHY ARE THERE SO MANY LETTERS IN THE SKY ALPHABET

[lethal stump]

current teth: hehe i grab the fire real mean-like >:)
old teth: i purposely confuse and lure away children to be lost in my forest forever and never move on

[normal berry]

forest "i steal children" elder

[lethal stump]

old eden elder: * exists *
current eden elder: not around to be saved anymore

forest « stranger danger » elder

[normal berry]

me @ tgc: 🤲 give me the eden elder

[humble barn]

current eden elder became saviors

[normal berry]

really?

[lethal stump]

eden elder isn’t around to be saved anymore because he’s us

[gray bridge]

inb4 we are the eden elder

[lethal stump]

haha late

[gray bridge]

shh

[normal berry]

crack theory: if all the sky players get on each other's shoulders we will fuse and form the eden elder

or just dbz it

[lethal stump]

imagine a server with all 2 million players

[humble barn]

that's why we can only have up to 8 skykids in a instance

[lethal stump]

maybe 8 skykids = 1 king

[humble barn]

devs are preventing us from fusing together

[delicate coral]

Somebody said before that we are technically playing alone and multiplayer is just a mechanic. Was there a source on that? I think that’s probably quite pertinent to the current discussion haha

[normal berry]

no comrade. all skykids

[lethal stump]

i don’t remember who said it, but it was a while back. might’ve been jay ?

[normal berry]

Somebody said before that we are technically playing alone and multiplayer is just a mechanic. Was there a source on that? I think that’s probably quite pertinent to the current discussion haha
@delicate coral nonono i reject that i donot accept it

[lethal stump]

i know i said it in this discussion

as a solo player it works pretty well for me

[normal berry]

cries in multiple sky characters

[lethal stump]

aksjsfdsff

[humble barn]

I think multiplayer is canon

but this is also canon: You are me, I am you.

[normal berry]

cause if we are the only skykid then who are the eden statues we save?

[lethal stump]

• SCREAMS *
  T H E P O E M

[brittle gust]

Why is it 8 tho?

[gray bridge]

multiple timelines...?

[lethal stump]

probably cpu strength tbh, Silent

[humble barn]

8 is just a game mechanic I guess

[normal berry]

Well if we are collectively the eden elder then TECHNICALLY there is only one of us

[lethal stump]

we’re a hive mind

[humble barn]

devs made a mobile game so a family can play together

[delicate coral]

Does anybody have a link to a full write-up on the “sky kids are the king/Eden elder” theory?

[humble barn]

most of the time 8 slots can contain a whole family

[lethal stump]

oo i should drag my parents through eden

[humble barn]

yes

[delicate coral]

I’ve seen the theory tossed around but I haven’t seen it in full

[normal berry]

its my favorite theory tbh

[lethal stump]

same

[normal berry]

and it makes the one player thing make sense if we are all part of the same entity

[delicate coral]

Is it in the pinned theories document?

[humble barn]

I don't think so unless Jiisama updated his

@delicate coral I have a short one https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/721029474765766678

tho I didn't include evidences

[delicate coral]

Thanks

[humble barn]

oh ok it's in another doc

I like this too

[delicate coral]

Hm that’s very interesting

[lethal stump]

maybe because he swallowed multiple souls
he WHAT

[gray bridge]

oo the circle thingie is the same as the constellation symbol in home

[thorn spade]

that pic king sent,,,, i almost cried

[lethal stump]

• screams *
  family friendly gUys

[humble barn]

my dark headcanon says the king wanted light so much he ended up killing people and devoured their soul flames (the mural shows him devouring something which could be interpreted as the light)

[lethal stump]

[humble barn]

so he technically had multiple souls inside him

[thorn spade]

• screams *
  family friendly gUys
  @lethal stump the lore isnt family friendly >:)) //ok JK JK FORGIVE ME

[humble barn]

but I think that theory doesn't work well

[thorn spade]

so he technically had multiple souls inside him
@humble barn i-inside h-him

[lethal stump]

y’all have dirty minds

[humble barn]

I just like how dark it is lol

[normal berry]

tbh i dont see any of the elders as inherently evil, i just think the elders got caught up in their hubris and strove too far, leading to the eden event

[humble barn]

but it also explains the civil war: People would rebel against the king if he was killing people

[lethal stump]

they’d also rebel if he wanted to endlessly industrialize with no regard for the realm’s people—

[thorn spade]

but it also explains the civil war: People would rebel against the king if he was killing people
@humble barn VIVE LA R E V O L U T I O N

[normal berry]

I mean maybe they were just traditionalist and/or didnt agree with using light in manufacturing and technology

[humble barn]

yeah and I think the people's souls consumed by the king won't turn to skykids

[lethal stump]

also mochi, if the king is a mech that means that tiny little prince is eating whole people

[humble barn]

so now I think the king's soul just shattered into pieces somehow

[thorn spade]

E A T I N G W H O L E 👁️👄👁️

god im sorry

[humble barn]

just soul flames

not the bodies

[woven perch]

@thorn spade please stop with the inappropriate comments

[gray bridge]

maybe the king's soul is the child we hug at the end of eden and wl are just the imprints of it-

[thorn spade]

sjajdjadj sorry

so now I think the king's soul just shattered into pieces somehow
@humble barn and yeah i agree w this

[lethal stump]

hEy idea on how he shattered !

[thorn spade]

maybe the king's soul is the child we hug at the end of eden and wl are just the imprints of it-
@gray bridge or maybe the other half of us ???:0

[humble barn]

imma edit my theory; I still think the king could be that bad but I believe the souls of people were unrelated to how the king clones were formed

[thorn spade]

hEy idea on how he shattered !
@lethal stump ah yes give me your theory and king propaganda

[lethal stump]

so, on our ascent to stormlock, we reach bodies of past skykids covered in dark crystal. as we go by them, they crumble into dust
maybe the same thing happened to the prince’s body and soul. he got coated in dark crystal and stone, and crumbled into pieces, his soul shattering

[thorn spade]

mmmmm good theory

[lethal stump]

also i think it would be cool if a la prometheus, Alef stole the light rather than was given it, which fits with my « fallen angel » theory

owo ?

[normal berry]

My theory is that the winged light we collect is the souls of fallen skykids, they grant us flight to assist us in returning their souls to their bodies. that way they can finally escape eden and move on. the statues we see before stormlock were too late to be saved, and their souls were destroyed only leaving behind a stone husk that disintegrates in the wind

kinda off the topic but i wanted to throw that out there^

[mortal viper]

Oh, is ti dark sad theory time?!

[normal berry]

heck yeah it is

[lethal stump]

it always is !

[mortal viper]

[humble barn]

calcified plant, maybe?

[mortal viper]

TGC: Sky is suposed to bee heartwarming and cute
Lore channel: So, anyway, the kids are dead...

So this is the darkplant (or darkbud?) u can't burn. It really grey, no other color.
@hushed steeple maybe this is good plant

[normal berry]

perhaps its a carving of a plant bud, like as a model

[mortal viper]

do you know where else this oily pattern can be seen?

poluted water

[lethal stump]

@normal berry if you stand on it it makes the plant texture noise

[normal berry]

hmmmmm

then yeah maybe its dead

[humble barn]

like the petrified fungi in the forest

[normal berry]

i was gonna say thet maybe upon discovering the darkplants they wanted to study them further, so they commissioned a stoneworker to carve a recreation of it

but idk

[lethal stump]

lots of things in sky turn to stone, including the prince

[mortal viper]

Wait I'll look him up
@hushed steeple dock worker

[normal berry]

I was actually thinking that eden turns things into stone

i just dont know the conditions

[mortal viper]

the caves are, aparently a dock for loadig pots into boats destined to forest/wasteland

[gray bridge]

now that i think about it don't crabs look pretty stoney

[normal berry]

but we see non living things that shouldn't be stone, that are stone

[mortal viper]

So does this connected to the fact that some living things in Sky world turn to stone?
@hushed steeple ok, this is new to me

[normal berry]

not crabs

[mortal viper]

robots

[humble barn]

mushrooms

[normal berry]

I believe it was confirmed that they are not crabs but.. something else

[thorn spade]

Like crabs.... what are they
@hushed steeple cuties :>

[desert sun]

their design was meant to mimic something, and when we figure out what it is that was supposed to help us figure what crabs are and where they come from

[normal berry]

why did they make sanctuary crabs the scariest

[humble barn]

maybe because there's no krill

[thorn spade]

they scary.... but still cute

[humble barn]

they didn't want make the quests too easy

[normal berry]

also is it just me or are they bigger than normal crabs

[desert sun]

i feel like we should question why crabs are there in the first place

[humble barn]

and why there are peaceful crabs

[mortal viper]

Krills = War machines
Crabs = automatons

[desert sun]

crabs sometimes will charge at the memory that youre carrying

iirc

[normal berry]

me @ the little crabs in office: 🤲 pspspspspsp

[thorn spade]

me @ the little crabs in office: 🤲 pspspspspsp
@normal berry same theyre just so adorable especially with the smol hats🥺

[humble barn]

crabs can see dead people

[thorn spade]

ah yes office lore

[mortal viper]

Although, they don't really ram at u? While i was doing the spirit memory there, during the going down part, the crabs will charge at me, but will not hit me
@hushed steeple lucky you. they charged at me with all thy got

[normal berry]

office crabs dont charge they just look timid its so cute

[short owl]

Hey small thing, I know I am late to the party, but I don't think hebrew orriginally used spaces. That may cause translation to be even harder

[mortal viper]

I love languages that make my life harder

[normal berry]

Krills = War machines
Crabs = automatons
@mortal viper I believe it was confirmed somewhere that all sky creatures were natural

[mortal viper]

@normal berry A girl can dream about robotic apocalipse

[normal berry]

I want light krill that have sea bunny antennas instead of spikey ones

[humble barn]

what if: natural machine

[celest spoke]

Btw uphread to the YHWH consonants + “adonai” vowels, that’s where the name/word “Jehovah” comes from (non-Hebrew translators didn’t understand context), which was indirectly the source of the name “Jenova” for FF7 devs and thence the founder of TGC

[normal berry]

@mortal viper fair

[mortal viper]

I like where you going @humble barn

[normal berry]

thats basically just a biological organism tho?

[humble barn]

Final Fantasy VII

[normal berry]

Like technically we are natural androids (like us as in the actual person)

[lethal stump]

robots: intelligent design
organisms: natural selection

[normal berry]

still, even if krill/crabs were made by intelligent design that isn't natural thats artificial

[mortal viper]

@hushed steeple Neither did I, but I am still in love with it

please, watch the remake

[lethal stump]

since everything in sky is made with intelligent design, they are all artificial to a degree

[humble barn]

Jenova said in an interview that his name was from FF7

[celest spoke]

Jenova = Jehovah (god) + nova (new) = “new god(dess)” tho Mr. Chen didn’r nec’ly know this when he adopted a name from the game

[orchid crypt]

it's pretty much a giveaway, that name's far too distinct to come from anywhere else

[lethal stump]

wait he renamed himself ?

[short owl]

A reminder to throw everyone off: someine is telling us the story. Lies and non-omnipitent narrators are valid for serious consideration

[normal berry]

[celest spoke]

Ya, cuz when he came to the US his prof couldn’t remember his real Chinese name

[lethal stump]

megabird demonizing the king

[orchid crypt]

"nova" in the context of "jenova" didn't mean "new" from memory -- it referred to "stars"

[thorn spade]

s t a r g o d

[sudden sleet]

@thorn spade do not circumvent the language filter here

[celest spoke]

Nova stella = new star, shortened to nova most of the time

[lethal stump]

Jenova Chen is an elder, hes a star

[humble barn]

Jenova named himself Jenova back in middle school or high school iirc, for a English class

[mortal viper]

I am here for the lore and the science side of the chat

[orchid crypt]

actually no, i'm wrong on the "nova" part -- it does mean "new"

[humble barn]

Jenova is the lore

[orchid crypt]

i was mixing up the name with its epithet, but that's veering off Sky territory

[lethal stump]

Jenova is above megabirb

[celest spoke]

There was an interview where he said his friend named himself “Cloud” but Chen wanted a name even more powerful and “above”

[humble barn]

yeah

[short owl]

The narrator may have told us the stars fell when the reality is they left of their own accord or explicitly to cary out tasks on the planet. The narrator may have thought their light was infinate while they were really just too close to the middle to know otherwise.

[humble barn]

because Cloud is so weak...

(compared to Jenova

[lethal stump]

unreliable narrator makes this feel like we’re legit historians

[mortal viper]

yes it does

remind me of a book I had to read for school

[celest spoke]

But “Sephiroth Chen” would’ve meant really cool intro music at conventions

[short owl]

That last one happens a lot - you don't know how endangered something is if you are one of the people who can get it for money.

[mortal viper]

the most unreliable narrator I ever met

[lethal stump]

if the narrator is megabirb, wouldn’t they know ? they are omnipotent afterall

unless the narrator is someone else...

[mortal viper]

omnipotent does not mean they are omniscient or omnipresent

[normal berry]

Maybe the narrator is a final message from the king, like a memory

[lethal stump]

[mortal viper]

oh hell, tht would be cool

[lethal stump]

opening lines are king propaganda

[normal berry]

you are not immune to propaganda

[short owl]

Also the megabirb may not be bound to truth.

[mortal viper]

what are these omni- words i do not know?
@hushed steeple omni = all (in latin if I am not mistaken)

[normal berry]

i love that image sm

[lethal stump]

thank you

[short owl]

... Horror idea: megabirb can do mind control

[lethal stump]

... Horror idea: megabirb can do mind control
@short owl i love that

[mortal viper]

Omnipotent: All powerfull

[lethal stump]

i love stories of corrupt gods ngl

[mortal viper]

Omniscient: All knowing

[celest spoke]

Trying to remember a work where you realize the protags think they’re heroes but the readers/audience suddenly realize they’re depraved villains, tho actually that may have happened to some works over time from historical perspective

[normal berry]

Okay but think about it, what if he knew he was gonna die, so in his final moments he made sure that his reincarnate(s) were brought into the world knowing something

[mortal viper]

Omnipresent: Present in all places

[lethal stump]

@celest spoke Columbus’ diaries

not fiction, but history

[celest spoke]

Omniscient = all-knowing

Gone With the Wind

[normal berry]

I kinda like the idea that the skykid reincarnates were his last ditch effort to right his wrongs

[humble barn]

I think megabird is omniscient and omnipresent but not omnipotent

[short owl]

Elders broke free of the mind control. When we "bring the stars home" we put them back under Megabirb's influence, which is why they seem happy... And why the spirits are happy to create tools that allow them to return with us.

[lethal stump]

the king is the good guy all along

[hushed steeple]

[mortal viper]

Brick, we can't trust what you say

[normal berry]

I prefer that he wasn't evil, just made some huge stupid mistakes

[hushed steeple]

We're the king

[lethal stump]

u can trust me ;>

[celest spoke]

So instead of “The oroblem of Evil”, Skyworld has “The problem of... kreb”?.

[normal berry]

like a eden-sized mistake

[short owl]

Eden was intended to sap out Megabirb's influence and make life easier for everyone, but it turns out Megabirb is kinda important for beings of light to live

[humble barn]

I love that theory

[celest spoke]

We’re redshirts

[mortal viper]

@hushed steeple, your time to explain what Deuteragonist means

[celest spoke]

Each player may be their own protagonist, but to everyone else they’re background or at best support

[hushed steeple]

I wanna stay here but candle run is calling me

[lethal stump]

this feels very...lucifer-y
Megabird can control every being, they have no free will
alef pulls a lucifer and goes against this, and thus is cast down, and eventually the other elders follow
they work to free the people of sky from mega bird’s control

do you mean redshirts like blackshirts and reds

[brittle gust]

Elder Futhark!!!

[celest spoke]

From a global perspective, nothing we do effects permanent change in Skyworld for anyone else; even Ark restoration isn’t mirrored for other players unless they do it themselves

[short owl]

Prarie was happy to transform the energy into something useful and harmless. Isle was already gone (and told us to save them bc megabirb made them). Forest panicked when they saw it and quickly used their materials to make it go away. Valley thought it was dangerous in our hands, so they prioritized getting it. We gave it to Wasteland in a way easy to get rid of it. Then Vault tries to teach us to reject it.

[lethal stump]

aLso this works if alef steals the light from orbit to bring to the people so they have the same amount of power as megabird with the light

[brittle gust]

But it seems still not related

[lethal stump]

@short owl ‘it’ ?

[short owl]

It being the light specifically given to us to "return" to the elders

[lethal stump]

ahh

[celest spoke]

Skyrunes usually have right angles tho sometimes tipped 45 degrees; futhark has a lot more acute angles

[lethal stump]

theres a real world parallel here i could make but it’s extremely political

[brittle gust]

Look!!!

[celest spoke]

Meh, but diamond/almond shape is pretty universal; cf mandorla/amygdala

But we enjoy asking wuestions haha

[normal berry]

so here is my two cents: the megabird is like god, just kinda there and lets things take their natural corse. they first made the elders (insert reason for why they left or fell here) the elders land on a planet with people who basically think they are gods, so, they decided to play gods (with the king being the big boss of them) and tend to their little kingdoms in the sky, they discover they can use light as an energy source. industry and manufacturing happens but they want more. so what do they do? instead of making your average diamond, they decide to make a giant power diamond that utilizes the light from the cosmos itself, and what better place to put it than in the epicenter of their society? so, turns out using an ancient source of power as your very own battery may have not been a good idea after all. It was too much for the eden diamond to handle so it overloads, fractures and BOOM here we are now. the megabird decides "aight, your timeout is over" and creates and sends its latest species, the skykid, to retrieve the elders and return them to... space?

[short owl]

Sadly, by the time we see the elders, we have spread the light to their people. The elders couldn't bear to lose those they had left. So... the elders feel they have no choice but to return.

[lethal stump]

so we’re just locking them up again ?

[celest spoke]

Wait so King is the Yazidi peacock angel?

[lethal stump]

the w h a t

[normal berry]

h u h ?

[brittle gust]

MANDORLA!!!

[short owl]

@celest spoke ... The rest of us may need... Context

@lethal stump under the mind control theory... Yes.

[celest spoke]

Peacock angel = an archangel who came down to earth to rule men; other religions identify him w/ Lucifer/Satan tho Yazidis say it’s not like that

[lethal stump]

ok then under the mind control theory, megabirb has to be the narrator, it can’t be the king or he’d warn us

[celest spoke]

Tho idk this is based on looking up why the Yazidis are so persecuted so I may misunderstand

[normal berry]

Hey! i got a theory of why the isle elder isn't on the eden door (yes i know it is because he was used as a tutorial in the old version of sky so technically wasn't a legit elder) but i have a lore reason as to why

[ornate quiver]

Is there concept/fanart of what King looked like?

[short owl]

@lethal stump or any one under forced influence of Megabirb yes

[lethal stump]

@ornate quiver

[ornate quiver]

Thanks guys💜

[celest spoke]

All those turrets/towers in Wasteland are King statues

[lethal stump]

wait a sec...if the king is just trying to distance himself from megabird does that make ‘corruption’ good ? or is it still a bad ?

[ornate quiver]

I'm just now getting into lore after a couple months playing

[normal berry]

ok then under the mind control theory, megabirb has to be the narrator, it can’t be the king or he’d warn us
@lethal stump imo the megabirb is chill and if it is the king it is basically a pre-recorded message for us

[lethal stump]

imo megabirb is chill
@normal berry so no mind control ?

[normal berry]

imo, no mind control

[lethal stump]

• throws phone at ground and breaks skateboard in half *

[celest spoke]

Actually all this analysis is kinda making me reassess gameplay in the sense of ultimate futility other than selfish aggrandizement except to the extent that you help others

Omg it is real life

Haha

[normal berry]

the elders were just big dumb - dumb so megabirds like "ok? you wanna be like that huh? time out on that planet!"

[lethal stump]

i like the mind control theory ngl, it just rlly butters my toast

[brittle gust]

Is that a human figure?

[normal berry]

the prince

[humble barn]

a figure of a kid

[normal berry]

the king is really just a mech suit for the prince huh?

[celest spoke]

(splits realms apart) “Am I gonna have to separate you? Don’t make me come over there!”

[ornate quiver]

Are this server chatlog and the pinned messages the only lore sources available to read?

[normal berry]

so yeah my theory is megabird is not an evil dictator but a REALLY tired parent

[celest spoke]

Still fond of crack theory that shipwreck was mecha suit for krill

[normal berry]

dskhlfdhf what

[humble barn]

well lore sources are scattered throughout the internet

[celest spoke]

There are all the dev images TGC has been tweeting this week

[short owl]

I would like to make it clear that mind control was a crack theory that spawned from unreliable narrator and got out of control

[lethal stump]

it’s a cool theory though

[ornate quiver]

So make and follow TGC Twitter?

[short owl]

Also that will not stop me from making more. Runaway theories are fun

[humble barn]

I think you can read twitter posts without making a Twitter account for yourself

[celest spoke]

Don’t need a twitter acct to read tweets— check links in news channel

[normal berry]

Ok so back to my "isle elder isn't on the eden door for a lore reason" theory: basically he is this older and wiser dude that said "hey maybe the eden diamond is a bad idea" the rest of the elder got big mad so decided to build the door without him to rub it in his face

[lethal stump]

daleth: hey...what if this isn’t a good idea ?
everyone else: >:/
alef: now u aren’t invited to the cool door club.

[celest spoke]

Isn’t Isle elder kinda the shape of... the whole door

Maybe no; it’s been a while since I’ve gone dying

[short owl]

... Oh... What if the daily mission of "relive the spirit" is actually re-collecting the mind of a spirit that slipped free?

[normal berry]

i mean the isle door and eden door do look similar but that's a whole other can of worms

[celest spoke]

Why is it always one of the same 2 spirits per realm tho— and that dang forest manta
Actually Valley is always the same ONE

[lethal stump]

i think that’s more game mech than anything, Kat

[normal berry]

Its easier to program i guess

[celest spoke]

Sadface when lore succumbs to logistics

[normal berry]

nah, thats one less lore for me to decipher

[short owl]

Cry has heartbreak that's difficult to ignore. that would pull them free. Wave misses their friends and that can remind them of who they are. The feeling of climbing that mountain with a friend left them with a longing that pulls them away. Brave spirit knows how to push back against mental pressure. Vault spirits have a honed mind, and may be able to force themselves out due to training.

[celest spoke]

Tho can lead to new pseudolore like capes being made of light (no shadows)

[normal berry]

they are

[celest spoke]

That reminds me WHERE WAS CRY SPIRIT’S TUNNEL GOING cuz I checked if it lines up with tree and iirc it’s just regular wall from outside

[short owl]

Yeah that was odd

[normal berry]

imo the cape is the light kiddos way of saying "here you can fly now also can you maybe free us from eden while you're at it please? that would be nice thanks"

[celest spoke]

Hmm maybe should be regarded as bug, like wacky sun parallax flying above Forest entrance clouds

[short owl]

@celest spoke it was a choice to spare people's phones

[normal berry]

tfw you remember the cape's old deigns

[celest spoke]

Ya, I know about the programming reason for no cape shadows but point was logistical constraints can spawn lore anyway

[humble barn]

do you know our shadows are a bunch of circles

[normal berry]

Like my lore on why you can hear bells at old quest sites

[lethal stump]

you can what

[short owl]

If you sit, you can activate them but not complete them :(

[lethal stump]

really

[short owl]

Yeah you hear the ting sound like when you sit at Valley races

[lethal stump]

imma go do that rn

[normal berry]

the easiest one to find is the circular platform in front of the dead bird in citadel,

if you sit on the stone circle thing you can hear meditation bells

its prolly just something that was never removed/ a reference to old beta

but my made up lore for it is that certain places can trigger old memories... like from a previous incarnation

[lethal stump]

maybe they were things the king did ? like...spirit memories but not connected to a person but rather a place

[normal berry]

Yeah, like that!

[ornate quiver]

Is it known why there's a dead birb

[normal berry]

We will probably never see him again but i hope they continue to give us more bits and pieces of information about him.

[lethal stump]

do y’all think the prince could fly ? since he looks like basically a skykid ?

[normal berry]

@ornate quiver that quest was originally for the manta voice, before it was later replaced by a spirit quest, that "bird" is probably a manta(so i should probably start calling it that) that marks the manta voice quest!

@lethal stump considering how we have never seen the elders fly, i doubt it

[ornate quiver]

Ahh okay so it's more of a memorial/leftover asset for an old quest

[lethal stump]

yeah but the prince is a funky elder, he looks nothing like them

[humble barn]

I think the prince could fly

[normal berry]

@ornate quiver Yes, i just made up my own lore for it

yeah but the prince is a funky elder, he looks nothing like them
@lethal stump fair

[humble barn]

his unique flying ability in his times should have made him really special

[normal berry]

One of these days ima make a redesign for the prince and king

[ornate quiver]

So prince is king?

[lethal stump]

and maybe that’s why the elders respected him

[humble barn]

yeah