yes
and now he’s angy
#lore-discussion-spoilers
lethal stump
hushed steeple
what is corrupt king
brittle gust
What if the because of the darkness expands, new and evolved creatures now on the Sky, the Sky kids will now learn how to use their light not just for lighting but for defending?
mortal viper
it would be nice
lethal stump
:0
hushed steeple
dont we already do that
mortal viper
I am getting tired of being krilled
hollow sinew
OKAY SO
There was a true ending that got cut out?
brittle gust
we are also literally immortal
@hushed steeple
We just reborn not really immortal
lethal stump
OKAY SO
There was a true ending that got cut out?
@hollow sinew what ?
hushed steeple
im assuming whatever it was is caused by surviving the storm
lone isle
I think so. The end of Eden used to be much different.
mortal viper
what is corrupt king
@hushed steeple King is, in theory, the Elder of Eden. We believe he was corrupted by darkness beiond saving during (or before) whatever happened in Eden
brittle gust
dont we already do that
@hushed steeple
Its different in defending yourself from dark creatures and darkness
echo horizon
I heard a theory in here that the Eden King died in the storm and that he got reborn in fragments as all of us
past mountain
hushed steeple
when do we see him
hollow sinew
King basically did a whoopsie that made eden the way it is now
hushed steeple
journey and sky are the same
mortal viper
when do we see him
@hushed steeple as elder? never
hushed steeple
big cloak people do whoopsies
lone isle
Hang on I have pictures for this.
hushed steeple
and end up scarring the enviroment
mortal viper
there are statues of him around
hushed steeple
so then small people have to journey to mountain
get reborn
and keep doing that
echo horizon
in ||orbit||
hushed steeple
also small people can fly
hollow sinew
Journey and sky is in the same universe?
hushed steeple
i dont think so
i mean they're very similar in some aspects
also im pretty sure skykids have light at the center of their chest
and wayfarer peeps do as well
echo horizon
it might be because the concept art for the sky kids looked like the journey characters
mortal viper
they do
hushed steeple
red robes in journey have it
and so do the white robes in visions
also, other similarity
you die and are resurrected and fly upwards to eventually get reborn
and get new bling in your next life
hollow sinew
Skykids stuck in endless loop
lone isle
These were from discussions with other people a while ago. Eden’s original planned ending and concept art of Eden’s diamond.
lethal stump
i wish the prince was still in eden * sobs *
brittle gust
Who are these praisers?
lethal stump
they look like vault people
echo horizon
woah that’s cool
lethal stump
hmm hold on
well, all the vault spirits are religious or scholarly, so vault was probably a lot like a church or monastery
if this is a feudal society
and since there’s a king i imagine there is
back in feudal times, religious sites (churches and such) doubled as places of learning about maths, science, etc.,
so maybe vault is holy to them
brittle gust
Maybe King>Vault>Isle>Forest>Waste>Valley>Prairie?
lethal stump
wdym ?
brittle gust
Their like ranking
quartz badge
Hey ! does someone know the name of the ||cat in the office|| ?
sand edge
theres a ||cat inoffice||??
modern isle
@quartz badge ||I believe its name is Mimi. It’s modeled after one of the devs’ cats just like Oreo being modeled after Jenova Chen’s real doggo 
||
hazy orchid
@lone isle Tbh, I thought these were wings.
quartz badge
@modern isle tyy so much 
ember zodiac
These were from discussions with other people a while ago. Eden’s original planned ending and concept art of Eden’s diamond.
@lone isle I wish they put this ending
lost hull
I think in a way, they still kept the prince/king
Bc you do hug a glowy child before ascending
sinful gull
yes
lost hull
In old concepts of course
sinful gull
The prince was supposed to save you from the king in the old concept
lost hull
From what it looks like, the king was actually a really small child
sinful gull
Yeah
lost hull
Like if you look closer you can see a child
sinful gull
In his crown
lost hull
And then when his crown was cursed, he essentially became darkstone
What does it mean when it’s said his crown was cursed?
sinful gull
I’m a little sad the idea got scrapped- I love the concept behind battling a corrupt king
I hope we get to actually see him in the future, outside of the statues in GW
lost hull
I feel like maybe the king is indeed that glowy child we hug before ascent
Bc the devs said the king is still around
Just not how we would expect
sinful gull
There are a few theories as to his whereabouts
Some say that the skykids themselves are the King, just split up into multiple beings
vague adder
May I pitch in kind of a random thought of a theory?
sinful gull
Sure!
lost hull
Sure go ahead
vague adder
My theory is that the corruption of Eden and the pesumed fall of the King "humbled" him and he's one of the elder spirits we see. Either GW or Vault one. Or he like doesn't remember who he was/is or smthn
lost hull
Hmm
normal berry
whos got a theory on this?
lost hull
I don’t think he’s one of the elders bc in the original plot, the king bestowed powers upon the elders
They were like individuals
lost hull
I’m not sure
normal berry
yeah but why is the prince trapped in the king?
vague adder
I just thought that would be an interesting "not as we expect" theory
normal berry
maybe
lost hull
Or became the red diamond
sinful gull
yeah but why is the prince trapped in the king?
@normal berry the prince wasnt trapped in the king, it was you in the old story
the large power diamond?
lost hull
Yeah
vague adder
ooo That makes sense I think
lost hull
Bc that way you’d still be battling the king in a way
And the prince would still be helping you out
sinful gull
That actually makes a lot of sense
vague adder
ye
normal berry
i like that in the old concept the "king" looks like a giant mech suit for the prince
cause yknow... you can see him in the crown
sinful gull
I feel like TGC will reveal the story in the future
lost hull
Oh yeah that probably will
I feel like there might be a season on Eden
Like the final season
sinful gull
Maybe the last season
Yes
And remember
This isn’t going to be the only game
Sky CoTL is the first chapter
normal berry
imo the eden diamond is simply a overloaded giant power diamond
lost hull
Yeah so maybe Sky is like introducing Sky kids to what happened
normal berry
i wonder if the eden elder = prince/king or are they a separate character
vague adder
Sky CoTL is the first chapter
@sinful gull Wait, it is?
lost hull
Like the next game/chapter would be about fixing it
sinful gull
@sinful gull Wait, it is?
@vague adder yep
vague adder
:0 i didn't know that
sinful gull
vague adder
ooh cool
normal berry
wonder if the next chapter will be a separate app
sinful gull
👁👁
normal berry
hope i get to keep my cosmetics 
vague adder
or maybe if it stays in the same app, you can access the next chapter after doing Eden. but seperate app may be better lol
im with you Ri lol
normal berry
If i loose my precious season of enchantment cosmetics ill cry
normal berry
hmm
lost hull
Since this was is an introductory stage to the kingdom of sky
vague adder
maybe it will be about restoring Eden or finding a way to restore the darkness to light?
lost hull
Hmm that may be true
I’m pretty sure TGC has said that they want to incorporate more lore into the game with the next season’s
I think this season is like a beach episode before the plot and lore kicks in again
So maybe the seasons are kind of like chapters
I feel like if there was a second game about restoring the light, it would have to be more like a really long quest
More similar to journey I guess
vague adder
agree
lost hull
Don’t we all 
I would seriously pay for an Eden season though
Like one that reveals more lore
Maybe even add like a new area before the entrance to Eden
vague adder
Agree! Eden/Krill season? 🤔
vague adder
I want a big long cape like the King concept art tbh
lost hull
Maybe it could have some lore about how krill came to be
Long capes and krill capes would be perfect for an eden season
median terrace
Krill is s h r i m p
lost hull
Shrimp cape
median terrace
S h r i m p cape
mortal viper
XDDD
lost hull
Imagine if krill in Sky were colored like shrimp
mortal viper
that goes on the wishlist channel
lost hull
They’d be a lot less intimidating
mortal viper
ok, now I wanna ask a question
wooden reef
I want a skeleton krill cape, that would be killer
lost hull
I want a skeleton krill cape, that would be killer
@wooden reef I’m pretty sure krill are basically already skeletons
wooden reef
instead of a cape its krill legs, ik that's the opposite of the point of a cape but it would look so cool
@wooden reef I’m pretty sure krill are basically already skeletons
@lost hull
lmaooo yeah I guess 😭😭😭
sly kestrel
Krills don’t have skeletons
mortal viper
you people ever noticed the ground level of vault has 5 groups of 3 shelves + the halway that conects the elevator to the common area, totaling 6 recesses?
and i think every constelation is projected towards one of the 5 groups
median terrace
I want a skeleton krill cape, that would be killer
@wooden reef
You had the chance to say kriller but you didn't and I am upset
lost hull
There also isn’t a single constellation for vault itself
In the whole elevator sequence
proud jewel
haha I’ve noticed that. they stuff in so many little details
mortal viper
just at the cutscene
wooden reef
@wooden reef
You had the chance to say kriller but you didn't and I am upset
@median terrace
nooo omg I cant forgive myself
lost hull
I feel like vault itself isn’t really a “level” per say
I think it’s like a preparatory level that serves as a research base on how to make diamond production more efficient
frigid crown
lost hull
Oh hello reika
frigid crown
hellooo
median terrace
My sister and I think the Vault is more like a reminisce area..
Because it brings you through the different maps before you "die" In Eden
short owl
Reika before you get out of the wall can you pull me in? Discord OOB is not somewhere I have been
lost hull
My sister and I think the Vault is more like a reminisce area..
Because it brings you through the different maps before you "die" In Eden
@median terrace yeah I think it’s similar to that
Like the top level in Vault is actually supposed to be a record of what Eden was like
mortal viper
There are theories it is mostly or completely a dream
lost hull
Since you can see the top of the mountain with altars in Eden too
And you can see the Eden castle surrounding you in that final level
wooden reef
I feel like the whole concept of vault is knowledge, so I agree w the idea that it's going through more memories of the other areas n stuff
vague adder
So like life flashing before your eyes thing?
wooden reef
I just wish there was a lil bit more lore we could access in vault?
median terrace
I feel like the whole concept of vault is knowledge, so I agree w the idea that it's going through more memories of the other areas n stuff
@wooden reef
When someone quotes your thoughts better than you do
lost hull
There is that one spirit called a “memory whisperer”
mortal viper
but I feel the building structure doesn't actualy work it that is the case, so I think maybe we climb up the elevator, but allucinating from the 3rd level on
median terrace
There is that one spirit called a “memory whisperer”
@lost hull
That one creeps me out. Straight up
lost hull
Maybe vault just kept records of everything that was going on
median terrace
Maybe vault just kept records of everything that was going on
@lost hull
Maybeeee
Everything the past children have encountered?
mortal viper
it was built by the spirits
median terrace
But isn't it us children that adventure?
mortal viper
for the spirts as well for the size of it
lost hull
I would agree, but there’s also the vault constellation in the cutscene after you meditate
That shows the vault elder using mantas to create diamonds
So I wouldn’t say it was built just for Sky kids
mortal viper
But isn't it us children that adventure?
@median terrace yes, and since we are unsupervised kids, we don't know how Vault works, so we just make a mess out of it and enjoy the pretty lights
median terrace
@median terrace yes, and since we are unsupervised kids, we don't know how Vault works, so we just make a mess out of it and enjoy the pretty lights
@mortal viper
Pretty lights 🤣🤣🤣
mortal viper
I mean, most of Vault doesn't realy make any sense
vague adder
but it's pretty with pretty lights
mortal viper
For me it looks like we turned on too many memmory projectors
median terrace
One thing that got to me in the game (which I still don't understand)
Is how our little candlelight affect the Elders
Isle Grandpa
Prairie Uncle
Mama Forest
The Twins
Father Wasteland
And Grandmother Vault
lost hull
For me it looks like we turned on too many memmory projectors
@mortal viper yes it does look like that
Except they start to glitch out or stop working effectively the higher you go up
median terrace
For me it looks like we turned on too many memmory projectors
@mortal viper
Strengthening the reminiscence rooom
lost hull
Probably due to the Eden explosion
I find it interesting that the library features start fading around the Forest level
mortal viper
that is why there is skelletons floting, trees that shine, floating temples and a light waterfall
median terrace
Which level is that?
lost hull
Considering Forest is where the diamonds were first developed
It’s the 3rd level
With the glowing trees
median terrace
O yeah
Oki
Thank youuu
mortal viper
Which level is that?
@median terrace I mixed them together
median terrace
O
mortal viper
trees are on third
skelletons on 5th
floating temples on 3rd and 4th
and light waterfall on 4th as well
median terrace
One thing that got to me in the game (which I still don't understand)
Is how our little candlelight affect the Elders
Isle Grandpa
Prairie Uncle
Mama Forest
The Twins
Father Wasteland
And Grandmother Vault
Pls help me with this
This has been on my mind for so long
median terrace
6th is representing Eden
@lost hull
How?
It's... Too peaceful
lost hull
And effectively after completing the constellation, brings them home
@lost hull
How?
It's... Too peaceful
@median terrace well there is the peak of the Eden mountain with the shrines and all
And you can see the Eden castle surrounding you on the final vault level
Additionally it has very similar music
vague adder
I
Pls help me with this
This has been on my mind for so long
@median terrace ok so there's beep's idea and i think the light we give kinda restores the elders to a non-broken state bc like how the sky kid goes dark when the wl runs out, i think something happened to the Elders when Eden corrupted
mortal viper
that would be after the cutscene, when you wake up. I would say it is the 7th level
median terrace
My mind is runniiiiiiiiing
mortal viper
the 6th is the one with the shrines
vague adder
beep’s idea
@lost hull sorry ;v; my mind went 100000 mph and i can only type at 0.0000001 mph
lost hull
No I’m saying the 6th one is representative of what Eden was like
lost hull
@lost hull sorry ;v; my mind went 100000 mph and i can only type at 0.0000001 mph
@vague adder it’s fine my dude I’m trying to process like 6 diff people talking
Of course a lot of information was destroyed due to the explosion
Or maybe the elders wanting to hide what they did 👀
median terrace
What if it was both???? 👀👀👀
vague adder
lost hull
So the only thing that’s left was the ascent
median terrace
Nothing can corrupt on its own like that
What if the elders did something and messed Eden up?
lost hull
That is suggested in the opening cutscene
Like the elders didn’t listen to someone’s advice
median terrace
I didn't watch it > That is suggested in the opening cutscene
@lost hull
lyric isle
Yes.
lost hull
And ended up disconnecting from the light due to the Eden explosion
I think the Eden explosion triggered a wave of darkness
That lasted a really long time and caused the elders to essentially lose their power
I didn't watch it > That is suggested in the opening cutscene
@lost hull
@median terrace I think you can find it somewhere on YouTube
median terrace
I think the Eden explosion triggered a wave of darkness
@lost hull
The vault is literally under Eden..
Yet how was Wasteland the worst affected?
lost hull
@lost hull
The vault is literally under Eden..
Yet how was Wasteland the worst affected?
@median terrace probably bc there’s pipes leading from Eden to wasteland
Not going through vault
mortal viper
Eden could have been corrupted by the king
lost hull
So the dark matter that started in Eden pumped through to wasteland
round fossil
Maybe because the vault being under Eden, it didn't get affected as much, because of the underground protection.
Wasteland is out in the open, no blast resistance at all. Plus, pipes.
median terrace
Like the elders didn’t listen to someone’s advice
@lost hull
What if that someone was the king?
lost hull
@lost hull
What if that someone was the king?
@median terrace could very well be
median terrace
Huh
That makes sense
lost hull
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was
median terrace
Did he know what was gonna happen?
Kwjxjdnw
I love dis
This game is a lot darker than I thought it was
lost hull
I think the first time you experience it, you’re seeing it through a child’s eyes
round fossil
that being said, bro, what are the krills then.
median terrace
I think the first time you experience it, you’re seeing it through a child’s eyes
@lost hull
L i t e r a l l y
lost hull
Since it can be seen that dark matter sprouts up around diamonds
median terrace
Yep yep
lost hull
that being said, bro, what are the krills then.
@round fossil I think they’re creatures of darkness that were born from the storm in Eden
Actually
I think krill are born from storms in general
Considering the one in the forgotten ark
median terrace
Considering the one in the forgotten ark
@lost hull
You mean there was a storm where the Ark was?
median terrace
Huh
I was wondering what those things were
round fossil
Interesting. Ngl, I was thinking that if the darkness destroyed stuff, and made the dark plants, couldn't the darkness also... I think the right word is warp? Couldn't it also warp creatures? Just saying, the krills could've been giant Manta, before the storm. (Like the one on the second to last floor of the Vault)
median terrace
Oof
Bai dude
It was awesome talking to you
Interesting. Ngl, I was thinking that if the darkness destroyed stuff, and made the dark plants, couldn't the darkness also... I think the right word is warp? Couldn't it also warp creatures? Just saying, the krills could've been giant Manta, before the storm.
@round fossil
Then that one scene in golden wasteland involves cannibalism
round fossil
👀
median terrace
But don't those plants just sprout out of nowhere?
Like.. They don't seem to be connected to anything in particular
round fossil
True.
But the plants you burn. And they are called Dark Plants, as well as the krill being called Dark Dragons. And before the Storm, the Wasteland was most likely something more majestic, no plant in sight. Your job is to get rid of the darkness, and that is why you burn plants.
That being said, they could have sprouted from nowhere, but they would still have to come from the storm.
median terrace
(How'd you do that underlining thing btw)
That does make sense
round fossil
It's _ (two of those) on each side of the text.
nimble siren
maybe dark plants came from krill debris
median terrace
And speaking of warp.. It kind of seems stretched that those mantas turn into dark dragons...
Ooo
OOOOOOOOOOOOO
AWESOME
round fossil
I mean, it doesn't make that much of a stretch. Like, if the storm made dark plants, and spreads darkness, it wouldn't be that much of a guess to say that giant mantas turned into krill, because of the storm, and it's darkness. Thinngs warp and change all of the time in movies and video games.
If it wasn't that, then we are basically talking interdimentional travel between two worlds.
👀
lost hull
I feel like the krill were definitely born from the storm
round fossil
And the portal closed after letting in a storm, krill, and dark plants.
sly kestrel
Are y’all ready for the forest doc today
lost hull
yes
median terrace
Yeah... But if you look at those warps
Those warps are sensible
Plants warp into deadlier plants
Dove warps into Raven
But a giant Manta ray into a shrimp with a red eye? It seems a little off
lost hull
Yeah but the places that dark plants pop up don’t seem very suitable for plants in general
For one
The forest temple floor
median terrace
I think crabs were around but weren’t corrupt until the storm
@lost hull
Yeah, they seem too tiny to be actual predators
lost hull
Which has literally no grass and a whole lot of water
sly kestrel
They also seem to appear around dead things but
They appear in other random places as well
Weirdly enough, they grow in some spirit memories as well
median terrace
Yeah but the places that dark plants pop up don’t seem very suitable for plants in general
@lost hull
The hidden room in the Valley Temple
No water
No other plants
a bunch of those pesky Krebs
sly kestrel
It’s more of a storage room
median terrace
Well then the storage room
lost hull
I think that the spirits we see lived after the storm
median terrace
Why is the storage so hidden?
lost hull
So they had to deal with dark plants too
sly kestrel
I don’t think it’s hidden
median terrace
I feel like the spirits died way later on
Like the storm took a toll on them
I don’t think it’s hidden
@sly kestrel
Okay
It kinda is
sly kestrel
U don’t have to ping me if my message is directly above yrs
sly kestrel
no
lost hull
Wait a minute
Why would some spirits be around after the storm
Like did they survive it?
round fossil
According to the beginning of Sky, when first going to the Isle, the Elder spirits "fell." Most likely these spirits are part of their constilations, (considering the constilations at Home) and we have to rescue them from being trapped by the darkness. In return, they teach us how to express ourselves to others.
lost hull
Or did they just come around later
round fossil
On that note, these spirits fell with the Elders.
And that's why they are there where they are.
lost hull
Yeah but it seems like there were two time periods before us Sky kids
Like the first was where the elders were active and alive, before the storm happened
The second was where the spirits were still around
After the storm
And they seemed to try and carry out normal business
Or at least look for light
Such as the light miners in forest and the butterfly farmers in prairie
round fossil
In my idea, that would be explained lime this:
Before the storm, each spirit did their own thing in the realms. Such as the butterfly farmer, and the Light Miners. When the storm occured, the Elder Spirits and the normal ones both got trapped. When we rescue a normal spirit, they show their thanks by teaching us expressions they used when they worked. (Ofc, this isn't the case with Seasonal Spirits. These can be explained later.)
That would fit with why they are there, and why we have to experience their memories. It even says it, they are memories. Memories before the storm, most likely.
Seasonal Spirits are story spirits, that visit the realms, to explore like normal. They were either created by Elder spirits (if they can do that) after the storm, or they were like normal spirits and got trapped, and other Sky-Kids freed them. (Not us, like, just story-based Sky-Kids.
lost hull
Hmm that might make sense
The reason why I was thinking there might be a second wave of spirits is bc of the black cape spirit and the scout spirit in wasteland
The black cape spirit encountered a krill
Which would mean they were alive at least during the storm
And the scout was either alive during the war, or was scouting for krill
round fossil
It would still fit.
Because if it was scouting for Krill, it could've gotten trapped during that time.
Just because they fell, doesn't mean they were trapped right away. Ofc, they wouldn't have had that many days of freedom. A week, at most, considering everything.
lost hull
That’s true and very plausible
I wonder why we’re only able to meet a few spirits from each realm
Like considering the sheer amount of spirits that were previously living in the sky kingdom
You’d think there would be many more to save
Instead of a select few
round fossil
That's true.
Let's say there are a minimum of 100 Sky-Kids. Having 100 of them explore only 6 realms wouldn't be hard. 1 Sky-Kid against 100 would have even less chances of encountering the amount of spirits that we do already.
So it's explainable that we only encounter those select few spirits.
lost hull
That’s true
It just seems off to me
Something that might explain it
Is that all of the spirits we meet have a dark core
We can only relive their memories by using our own flame to burn their core
Maybe these spirits were eventually taken over by darkness and collapsed into a dark core
Similar to maybe a dead star
round fossil
And then we light them up again, with our candle. So they live.
sly kestrel
It’s almost 5 and we still haven’t got our forest doc 
round fossil
Hello, each spirit is a part of constellation of elders. Does the seasonal spirits work the same? Do they also embody a constellations of unknown elders?
@hushed steeple
Considering the fact that the Seasonal Spirits have their own Constilations (as shown in Home)... No. They do not have an Elder, however they do make up their own Constilations. My guess is that they were made from the existing Elders, to be put into their own Constilations. So technically, an Elder could have multiple Constilations, if this is correct.
But hey, that's just a theory. A game theory!
(Jk, I just had too, I'm sorry 
)
mortal viper
Forest doc?
@hushed steeple tgc is releasing some concept arts and small texts about the different worlds in Sky as a celebration to the game’s 1 year anniversary.
Today will be about hidden forest
Talking about the forest, I found a different boat model by the tunnel with crabs
vague adder
Maybe an escape boat or a recreation boat?
sly kestrel
I’ve seen a lot more like that in other realms
vague adder
Possibly food or water?
sly kestrel
I call it
The box boat
mortal viper
XD
This is the first one I found
All the others have that swan neck tail behind them
sly kestrel
I’ve seen em in eden, wasteland, isle and possibly praire too
sly kestrel
Can y’all imagine what new content and bug fixes we woulda had if we weren’t in lockdown 😔
round fossil
Maybe the boats were to travel from realm to realm before the portal. I mean... Just look at the boat in Golden Wasteland to get to the Sunken Ship area. It flies. So, other flying boats that crash landed because of the Storm throughout the realm is very possible.
delicate coral
The boats existed before the elders got sent down, and I think the first use we see for them is to transport the elders
So yes I think they probably were used to get from realm to realm
At the very least they facilitated air travel of some kind for the spirits/whoever those human figures are
thorn spade
i love reading lores from this channel
hushed steeple
I just want to know what happens if you actually reach the crystal qwq
Mhm, I know you have to die but it's like being on a cliff hanger
I'm lore deprived
faint warren
Oh, I didn't know there was a wind wall
faint warren
I like to think that, in lore, if a sky kid were to reach the crystal, they would instantly die
faint warren
Is like, you can try to avoid death but it will come eventually no matter what
round fossil
What would we even do if we reached it
@hushed steeple
At one point I did reach it on a trash run of Eden. (Like, no point in me doing it).
There is a wind wall. Sad tho 😔
I really wanted to see what would happen if I did reach it
Just a bundle of dissapointment apperenlty
However...
hushed steeple
Aah that's sad qwq
round fossil
After we die in Eden, and all the statues shatter, and turn into Sky-Kids, they go toward the crystal. (Including us.) And then we go into Orbit. That being said, it's like the crystals energy revives us or something.
rotund cipher
well i have a lot of ascended candles so when i die in eden i just sit there and perish
faint warren
Maybe the crystal is the portal to orbit?
round fossil
So it obviously serves some sort of purpose between Orbit and us.
Like a portal, yeah.
hushed steeple
It's not pointless, the point is to save as many others as you can before you die yourself. Sacrificing yourself to help others and then being rewarded in your next life (in terms of ascended candles and wing buffs)
@stark marten
I meant that it's pointless for everyone to go to Eden, not the saving the kids part qwq
faint warren
makes sense why we would never reach if while alive
rotund cipher
no i dont think so, you die beforehand right? i think its the heart of eden, like the main power source that corrupts the land and the weather and what broke the land into the sky
faint warren
oh yeah
normal berry
I wish we could reach it 🔶 
rotund cipher
like the king of eden got power hungry and decided to overdrive the power which ended up in his demise
faint warren
♦️
round fossil
No..
Cuz if it was the power source that corrupted the land, then why would the revived Sky-Kids go towards it, instead of away?
Wouldn't they just die again?
faint warren
Wait, don't they fly above the crystal?
rotund cipher
i always imagined the cutscene to be an awakening in our consciousness i guess or in heaven
round fossil
No
rotund cipher
they could have been trying to disable the crystal or people who lived in the city during the destruction
you can see houses or shops or something if you look more towards the sides in the destruction
normal berry
yes, but couldn't the diamond be absorbing light instead of putting it out?
round fossil
But wouldn't there be a cutscenes showing that then? Instead it skips straight toward Orbit.
hushed steeple
I think it's a power source too, and they try to disable it because someone corrupted it
Or purify it
qwq
hushed steeple
I hope that we'll get more lore about it soon
normal berry
I mean, our player touches the column of light, but never the diamond itself. who knows we could be drained and reduced a statue if we could touch it
hushed steeple
Isn't there a crack on the crystal too?
normal berry
and the little diamonds we use to open doors take light to power things
hushed steeple
round fossil
But why would a column of light come from a dark and evil source. Let alone transporting us to what is basically heaven to revive.
rotund cipher
it could be attracting light from others and taking it as its own, like absorbing it and becoming stronger and swelling up
what at some point could have been a small crystal could have gone out of hand
sly kestrel
It’s 7 and still no forest doc 😔
round fossil
It just doesn't add up that way tho. If it did, it would have at least shown a cutscene of the crystal being destroyed/"turned to normal". This theory just doesn't add up.
Plus, the Sky-Kids wouldn't even be heading toward the crystal.
Instead they are, then skip to Orbit.
normal berry
its quite possible that we cannot fix the eden diamond
round fossil
It doesn't make sense that way.
rotund cipher
okay the idea for sky is birth life and death, you birth in isle and become old and die in eden. its supposed to represent the cycle of life of someone and ones thoughts
normal berry
also, if the eden diamond were fixed a major point of playing the game would be taken out
who knows what those statues were doing there, they could've tried and failed to fix/stop the diamond. that dosen't matter though because all you are there to do is free them
rotund cipher
isle is supposed to represent the birth, prairie represents naivety and freeness, forest represents around the teen stage: sadness or more of a depression, maybe anxiety?unless thats wasteland, valley is late teens: rebellious and competitive, wasteland is maybe more of an adult phase, vault is elders: serene, calm, coming together and acceptance, eden is the death: accepting your fate and rebirthing
round fossil
I think the statues are, as we might call them... Dead Children of the Light.
Those stars we pick up to expand our cape wedges? They are the "spirits" of those Statue Sky-Kids. By giving them their light back, they are revived. In turn, they take themselves, and our spirit, back into Orbit to be reborn again.
Those statues were Sky-Kids, before the Storm. They got turned into Statues because they lost their light.
(but that's just a theory, it totally could be completely off . _.)
quartz badge
hello ! anyone has a story or an idea about the ||ghost in the office stairs||
sly kestrel
It’s not canon
But it’s said that the tgc office is haunted
And the ghost represents that
sinful anvil
[scrolls up] so the Eden diamond cant be destroyed? hhh
i guess a self-comforting fact is a theory that it is not meant to be destroyed. perhaps the civilization depended on it so much that to destroy it is worse than keeping it running
(that parallels a lot w real world)
round fossil
Again... Why would it be destroyed in the first place if it's the gateway to Orbit... 
hushed steeple
That's destroyed or that's corrupted
winged maple
@rotund cipher some real princess Mononoke vibes on that second one woahhhhhh and the mask too
hollow pier
One of the mods (not devs) pointed out this looks like a distorted version of Eden that we’re not supposed to see because it’s oob; this makes me feel 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/630920855211343872/641882637673168896/image0.png
I made an emoji version of it when I thought it was the megabirb (it’s white+transparent background so you can’t see it unless you post with transparency)
delicate coral
Oh is that the symbol for Eden?
Oh I see what you mean
Hang on a tick lemme pull something up in that case
pastel brookBOT
Did someone call the fun police??
zealous sedge
@hollow pier yeah. If you fly up in that OOB, you can see clearer that it is Eden.
delicate coral
Does that kind of also resemble the symbol that some people a couple days back found behind the statues before going into orbit?
This one (image credit bluespirit), I’ll see if I can find the image they had of the statue itself
pale kestrel
This thingy?
delicate coral
Nah, I can’t seem to find it owing to my internet being awful today and preventing me from searching anything, but I think there’s kind of a resemblance there?
I do remember that the statues were somewhere when you’re flying through the kingdoms after you die in Eden
pale kestrel
Uhh like the statues that fall just before you reach orbit?
The ones that look like the statues at the top of the vault?
zealous sedge
The statues in orbit don’t have the back piece because they are up against pillars. They are fantastic though!
trim vale
zealous sedge
This is the statue in Eden with the thing on its back.
orchid crypt
that's an incredibly high angle
hushed steeple
Boon how can you fly so high in storm lock
zealous sedge
Piggyback rocket. It breaks really fast though so you gotta fly and snap your photos quickly.
hushed steeple
Ah fair
I never tried that
The statues in orbit don’t have the back piece because they are up against pillars. They are fantastic though!
One of them has
zealous sedge
Oooh does it? Need to explore more then.
hushed steeple
Here boon^^
orchid crypt
would piggyback spiral work better there, or are the rocks a problem on the way up?
hushed steeple
Using rocket is little tricky cuz you've to capture pic very quickly
waxen horizon
^ or you can just record yourself, and rewind & pause the footage
zealous sedge
Oh look!! You’re right! Wait, that looks like the statue I’m on in my photo. Will revisit my pics. 🙂
You need to get up there fast, a piggy spiral would probably take too long and you’ll get knocked out by the rocks.
hushed steeple
zealous sedge
Good photo!!
hushed steeple
Thank you
zealous sedge
It’s a nice touch that the head falls off that statue as you approach it.
orchid crypt
i'm amazed you guys can notice so much in that part of eden when i'm running around like a headless chicken trying to survive 
zealous sedge
You can see it’s intact in my aerial shot and gone in your photo.
hushed steeple
Yes and once it fell 10 times for me
Cuz I went backwards and then again forwards
zealous sedge
Lol!
orchid crypt
can you actually see it falling/reattaching itself?
zealous sedge
I’ve not seen/noticed it reattaching though. Will play with that next time.
orchid crypt
the sky kids are literal time travellers 
zealous sedge
As far as I was aware, once it’s down it’s down.
Maybe it’s a fancy decorative shield or something? The thing on its back
hushed steeple
Maybe... Or maybe it's their cape
orchid crypt
it felt a bit like a harp to me from some angles, but i don't think that's what it actually is
could it be mimicking the shape of wings, if not a cape?
hushed steeple
Maybe
zealous sedge
This was shared in the gnomon livestream.
delicate coral
I think it’s worth discussing since the shape does seem to resemble that OOB Eden pic from before
Or maybe that’s just me trying too hard to see things where there arent any
orchid crypt
the shape itself kind of makes me think of crossed swords at a glance, but i don't think that's likely given that the statue doesn't look like a warrior of any kind
hushed steeple
They are more like from vault
zealous sedge
I wish Mirian could pop in here with some of her photos right now. She’s got some amazing photos of these statues from old beta.
orchid crypt
i also wonder if all those statues are depicting the same elder, or whether it's just a role held by multiple people over time
it seems distinct enough to recognise as a specific character, but also dressed in enough of a uniform that it could just be a designated role of some kind
zealous sedge
For me personally, they have a ceremonial knight type vibe. Lining the passageway to somewhere really special.
hushed steeple
Anyone noticed this
orchid crypt
i see a tower with a diamond pattern on it, but i'm not sure what to make of it
zealous sedge
Yeah there’s one of these in the social space at the start of Eden too. Not a great photo but...
hushed steeple
I also captured from there boon
zealous sedge
Yeah! It’s amazing the stuff you notice if you explore!
lethal stump
off topic but i found more king propaganda
hushed steeple
King propaganda is everywhere
lethal stump
indeed
im thinking of turning it into a scavenger hunt game
ill find all the king propaganda i can in the 6 realms (eden not included, it’s literally his castle skskdjdj) and then assign you guys to find it and the winner gets like 10 hearts of something
it sounds like it would be fun
tribal knoll
king??
zealous sedge
This is in orbit too...
orchid crypt
hang on a minute...so is the king's real body the entirety of the black robe and the diamond thing at the top, or is he more like a sky kid piloting a giant mech suit where the cockpit is in the diamond head?
lethal stump
personally i think he’s a mech for the prince
orchid crypt
or maybe they put that silhouette there just to show the scale, but the image just made me think of that suddenly
lethal stump
however that would mean he’d have to be literally the size of the statues in battlefield
hushed steeple
lethal stump
i flew up to the top and was perfect size to « fit » in the mask
orchid crypt
first thought at boon's screenshot: "the king went bald"
zealous sedge
Yeah because back in beta you would be assigned to red or blue team and you had to catch as many light fragments as you could so your team would win. Your cape would literally change into a red or blue cape at the start of the races.
broken basin
But...... Here, one race has red ones and the other has Blue ones.
Earlier one side of the gate was Blue team and the other was red team. And I guess the winning teams flag appeared at the stadium back then...
Idk clearly cause I wasn't in early beta 👀
zealous sedge
Yep! You’re right!
hushed steeple
They should change the flags now?
zealous sedge
I think it’s a nice little nod to the past.
broken basin
Dk maybe has something to do with lores too now
Since one race is focused on red colour while the other race on blue
Earlier there were both red and blue teams in both the races I guess
It can also be a beta leftover like the prairie quests
lethal stump
this makes me think that the valley twins were forced to fight in something—
the dual swords reminds me of their dual hockey sticks
hushed steeple
Those swords are from battlefield
It's little odd that you can find swords and sunshield together in that room
Cuz in battlefield those are used by two separate groups
The diamond shield group used sword
hushed steeple
Wait
sly kestrel
Nvm I lost track
Hold up
Big brain moment
Yeah ur right, diamond used swords and sun used spears
hushed steeple
orchid crypt
someone suggested it could be a trophy room, though i'd expect fallen weapons as trophies to be damaged rather than pristine -- i think it's more a sign they were unified at one point?
brittle gust
Yeah ur right, diamond used swords and sun used spears
@sly kestrel
What if there were two like Sun and Moon nations or something?
What if its a war between the King and Megabird? King is the Moon and Megabird is the Sun?
But the light may be Megabird's weapon
The Megabird use Light and The King use Darkness
sly kestrel
The theory was that the suns were the ones that supported the light and saw that the corrupted kingdom and their new tech was all wrong, their power diamonds were wrong and had to be stopped, so a rebellion was made and they used an original ancient symbol on their shield to represent the light
And the wasteland elder was seen switching sides to the sun shields bc he knew it was wrong and had enough courage to step against the king
Megabird didn’t have much to do with it
But I’m going by a theory that was helped made by a lot of ppl
Me, granny pigeon I think, hage jiisama, skymii and some others I don’t remember
muted zenith
The new question is, how does the new season for into the lore? Vacation islands? There's dark plants growing and the bell tower is decayed, so I'm assuming it fell apart
pastel brookBOT
I am ready for vacation bruh
muted zenith
Not now sky brah
hollow pier
The diamond shield group used sword
@hushed steeple
diamond used swords and sun used spears
@sly kestrel both types of shields can be found with both types of weapons
brittle gust
The theory was that the suns were the ones that supported the light and saw that the corrupted kingdom and their new tech was all wrong, their power diamonds were wrong and had to be stopped, so a rebellion was made and they used an original ancient symbol on their shield to represent the light
And the wasteland elder was seen switching sides to the sun shields bc he knew it was wrong and had enough courage to step against the king
@sly kestrel
What if the King has good intention to show that his side which is darkness has a good side too, but got neglected instead?
Then the elders saw the goodness within but the Megabird didnt liked it and that's why the Megabird said "They were consume with darkness" so the Megabird sent the Elders down to stop the King but instead of stopping the King the Elders help him instead, but due to conflict between Dark and Light the corruption errupted and destroyed the Elders and Corrupt the King.
wise storm
I just noticed recently but any idea why these king statues in wastelands have what looks like a power diamond in the crown? Several of them have it though it doesn’t seem activated
lethal stump
the ones in battlefield were like that in beta
elder heart
????
brittle gust
Season of Darkness, where we now solve the good within the darkness.
swift helm
Why the wasteland temple is different from the shipwreck exit and battlefield area
The picture is not very clear😔
From shipwreck there is a large circle at the top and
south sluice
I'm sorry if it bothers you guys that I interrupt those interesting theories but a month or two ago, I noticed this blue light in Prairie's Sky
This is most likely Orbit (well I think it is)
Several weeks later, me and two other friends flew on top of the Ark and saw the moon
More or less the same blue
I was thinking that maybe Orbit is both the sun and the moon?
What do you think?
Also this two screenshots with a halo of light and a big orb
swift helm
That looks like a moon
hushed steeple
The orb you can see in orbit that's more like sun
south sluice
Hmm maybe
hushed steeple
And moon never appears in prairie
Because that's in daylight
I mean most likely at noon time
night time starts from wasteland
And ends after storm lock area in eden
Check the old names of all realm
Morning, daylight,rain,sunset,dusk,night,storm,orbit
south sluice
The kingdom of Sky is in Orbit... around the sun and the moon
Just a random thought
gray bridge
hhhh so much messages time to get popcorn just got off an 8 hour flight bless
also it is possible to see the moon in day time irl at least
south sluice
also it is possible to see the moon in day time irl at least
@gray bridge Yup
It appears very pale tho
hushed steeple
Game is not the real life
gray bridge
oh yes true
i like to think that the ball thingie in the sky is the light ball in orbit
south sluice
Yeah this is most likely the case
tender viper
About the timid bookworm, does books also appears anywhere in sky or its the first time that it appears?
lethal stump
this is the first time
lethal stump
everywhere but wasteland, these patterns have the king propaganda upside up, but here it’s upside down. maybe a hint at a rebellion ?
round fossil
The real question is.... Who the heck is cheering for you during the races in Valley
lethal stump
the ost
short owl
Maybe the cheering is a memory?
lethal stump
memory a la ancestor spirits ? or memory as in our character remembers it ?
short owl
I was thinking like a memory of the stadium
Similar to how we return the memory of the bells in sanctuary
hushed steeple
Thousands of spirit's memories
round fossil
That would pretty much explain the cheering. A memory. It's an interesting thought though. If that was a memory, couldn't that be applied to a lot of other things too?
lethal stump
elder cutscenes are memories
gray bridge
the cheering could be the same case as those creepy voices in eden
short owl
Perhaps the candles too? Somehow the candles never run down. If we are only collecting a memory of light rather than lighting the candle, it would make sense
lethal stump
and the singing in orbit
round fossil
But how would a memory of light give us wax, and in the end, a full candle.
delicate coral
memory candle
lethal stump
idk how can we ride memories in vault ?
short owl
Technichally what we get is a "fragment of light", which would be a memory from a candle
Since a candle only converts wax to light, maybe full candles are just a bunch of candle memories mixed together
lethal stump
another possibility is that if we’re the prince/king maybe we’re remembering things from our past life
hushed steeple
Fragment of light is also one kind of memory fragments
short owl
Spirits are probably whomever got stuck in their memories.
short owl
Sometimes they are memories of fun. Sometimes they are memories of hurt. No matter why they got stuck, they need a little help to move forward. So we start with the earworm method.
You stop earworms by reaching the end of the song
vale badger
from the twitter posts the game before completion is.... Feels much more deep and more beautiful just from the concept arts and realms sub lvls. The ideas they had before is much more interesting.
short owl
Honestly, I can see why a lot got scrapped.
While I would absolutely enjoy playing Light Awaits, Children of the Light does have a lot going for it
round fossil
Probably because it was too much to work with.
Making the seasons and the new areas probably is there way of making up for that lost content.
vale badger
the one we have now is very friendly to all. Light story not too deep and dark. Very little to work with.
Probably because it was too much to work with.
Making the seasons and the new areas probably is there way of making up for that lost content.
@round fossil yes
gray bridge
yeah there is not so much to work with in terms of lore but still this channel exists huhu
i'd prefer lore to be revealed slowly because as painful as it is to wait it's better than getting everything straight up
vale badger
seeing forest was a maze makes me feel "I wish it was like that" forest elder was a much more dark trying to trap you sounds like a thrill.
short owl
Oh no pls don't make forest worse
round fossil
You know what, I'm gonna do a full run of Sky, looking at each and every little detail and watching every cutscene to look for any answers/questions/pieces to a current puzzle.
I'll post what I (hopefully) find here, most likely in screenshots.
Because I am just too curious rn
I n e e d a n s w e r s
gray bridge
welcome to the rabbit hole that is sky lore 
round fossil
I know that hole. I've been in that hole with Journey. I've spent hours and days looking for pieces of the story, and I still haven't found all of the answers.
and weeks
surreal helm
Been reading through the whole king propaganda above and now I'm noticing that some of the spinning bells in the game are kinda shaped like the king (I'm sure someone has mentioned that already)
These ones are at the end of isle
Prairie
Ah, of courses battlefield. Pretty impressive statues they have here
The king and i
short owl
... Anyone else here thinking that reminds them a bit of krill
Like maybe the king's face can do the blinky blinky
surreal helm
Wasn't there a... What was that... Like a laser turret in one of the concept art? The king's head would make a fine laser turret
round river
Couldn't get a good angle but here's diamond symbol on top of vault i think🤔
Does all this symbol represent king or it is something like coat of arms(im guessing this is what it's called in english) for sky world?
short owl
What if the krill are parts of the king, reflective of his high presence in his castle and the Wasteland, where his statues can be found?
vague adder
Maybe the krill were the King's guard pets (guard krill?) before the corruption?
timid gulch
does anyone know what exactly happened in wasteland? and who were the elders? and where did they go and why?? 🤔
hushed steeple
@round river buddy how can you go thru the wind wall
round river
buddy how can you go thru the wind wall
@hushed steeple
Rocket trick :3
gray bridge
@round river yes that's the symbol of our king propaganda
@timid gulch here's a theory on what happened in wasteland
broken basin
So like people of wasteland got divided into two groups.
One supported the idea of making power diamonds by sacrificing light creatures and the other group opposed it?
hushed steeple
Seems so
hollow pier
Wait, hang on, I'm listed as a believer of this theory and I don't believe in it
My theory of battlefield is: I have no krilling idea 
delicate coral
Hm, so the other day I was talking about a theory that the king is Eden, and at the time it was mostly tongue in cheek, but as I keep thinking about it I might’ve convinced myself that it’s a possibility
It’s very, very likely that I’m facing a textbook case of confirmation bias but everywhere I look seems to reaffirm that view
So I think I’m just gonna put together an actual theory and see how/where it’s flawed
Since I don’t know exactly what I’m trying to prove I’ll just say for now that the theory is based upon the king being, in some way, intrinsically linked to the huge power crystal in Eden, whether it be that he is that crystal, he’s inside it, or something else entirely
Essentially there’s three things that got me thinking about this from the canon lore document, in Ash’s hints
Firstly there’s this: “the king plays an active role in the story of sky but maybe not in the way you may think” - this is the obvious reason that I’m looking for something outside the box as it were, other than just ‘the king was there but he is dead now’
Secondly this part: “he's not there in the same way as the elders you see in the cutscenes are” - perhaps a stretch but it seems to infer that the king is either not a physical being like the elders, and/or he is present outside of the cutscenes. The best solution to this that I could think of was that he was related to Eden in some way, since that is present in nearly every realm and can be seen in the gameplay, outside of cutscenes.
Thirdly, this part: “he's just not there the same way as the spirits you see in the individual realms” - again perhaps a stretch, but I took this, especially the word individual, to be inferring that he is present in more than one realm. Again the most elegant solution I could find to this was that he is in some way linked to Eden’s physical makeup.
That’s the general basis for the theory anyway
hushed steeple
Ash's hint reminds me the theory that says sky kids are king
delicate coral
There’s other evidence for me rejecting that bit and going with him being linked to the power stone as well
Although some of it is a bit iffy and therefore I’m not absolute on it lol
mortal viper
Since we are already on this topic...
I had nothing better to do yesterday but to count the number of weapons and shields in the battlefield. Let me get the numbers.
round fossil
I'm currently collecting screenshots, and pieces of lore from each realm. It mgibt take a day or two, but when I'm done, I'll take lore ideas from here into consideration and make a whole story.
(Fan-made, trying to explain everything.)
Bc I n e e d a n s w e r s
hushed steeple
Where's the forest doc
delicate coral
Actually I should put this into a google doc instead of sending through huge walls of text shouldn’t I
Sorry about that
round fossil
XD yeah, Im gonna do the same.
mortal viper
Before the ruins: 2 spears, 2 sun shields (one pierced by a spear), 1 sword, 1 diamond shield
In the ruins: 1 diamond shield (atop the wall)
After the ruins/By the temple entrance: 9 spears, 4 sun shields, 7 swords, 5 diamond shields
hushed steeple
It's fine tho dropman
mortal viper
You actually have to send them here first before putting it on the doc
delicate coral
Oh yeah I just meant my own doc to compile everything
It could get a bit lengthy with pictures and stuff
hushed steeple
There's one spear and one sword before the battlefield👀
round fossil
Oh yeah, if anybody wants to contribute to a whole story about Sky, feel free to DM me screenshots of lore found in the realms/possible story ideas.
(again, this will just be fan-made, a fun idea to try and fill everything in in one go lol)
hushed steeple
An off topic question...
Anyone thought about it that all the entrance (1st area not social place) are More like exit from the realm?
mortal viper
Before the ruins: 2 spears, 2 sun shields (one pierced by a spear), 1 sword, 1 diamond shield
In the ruins: 1 diamond shield (atop the wall)
After the ruins/By the temple entrance: 9 spears, 4 sun shields, 7 swords, 5 diamond shields
With this I want to ask: what if we are getting it wrong? What if it is the other way around? What if the sun is actually the king side (which would explain why there are sun shields displayed in eden)? What if the diamond side is the one rebelling? What if they chose diamond as a symbol because they were the realm responsible for most of it’s production?
hushed steeple
The most confusing thing is you can see both sunshield and diamond shield are pierced by spear
delicate coral
I think everything we have points to diamonds being symbols of power and subsequently destruction caused by misuse of power
hushed steeple
mortal viper
The most confusing thing is you can see both sunshield and diamond shield are pierced by spear
@hushed steeple Considering it is a civil war, both sides would fight with the same weapons
hushed steeple
Hmm
delicate coral
Who are the combatants in this conflict?
I would have assumed that spirits were doing the fighting
And given their relative size, I wouldn’t estimate that they could wield those spears
mortal viper
All I know is that there is a greater number of diamond shields by the temple entrance and it is also the only one found in the ruins
And given their relative size, I wouldn’t estimate that they could wield those spears
@delicate coral maybe they used growing spells?
Maybe the spirits present themselves smaller so they can talk to the kids
Or maybe they shrinked down due to their disconection to the light
delicate coral
Those explanations do seem fairly sound
But do they fit in terms of the other spirits? The cry emote spirit would have been bigger than the cave in that case
Oh the growing spell explanation still works though
The alternative explanations seem to be that it was two elders fighting, which seems unlikely given the amount of weapons, or that there were other elder-type creatures at the time, which we’ve seen no evidence of?
short owl
Spirits are around adult size compared to us. I figure they and elders were different species and the large reminance of war were from elder folk rather than spirits
mortal viper
But only six elders fell
short owl
Only six elders were shown. That doesn't exclude the possibility of others falling.
vague adder
Not to take away from the conversation but the thought Kinda struck me: why those three bird(?) statues? Why there? Why in that formation? Did something happen to the rest of the sanctuary isles in which the other statues were lost somehow?
short owl
I know in Light Returns you used them to buy things like hair
This was replaced, but there's one in forest that acts as a return shrine
So now maybe it's just bird themed decor?
vague adder
Maybe. It just looks like one of them is falling over due to like tectonic plates or weathering or smthn, you know?
short owl
Probably erosion. It's been a while and there's a beach right near it
vague adder
True
hushed steeple
One of that statue used as instrument shrine in old beta
Another statue in live version is in battlefield(used as return shrine)
Dolphins
timid gulch
wowww.. i didnt knew my question will end up in such a deep discussion hahah interesting to read 😅
hollow pier
Actually I should put this into a google doc instead of sending through huge walls of text shouldn’t I
@delicate coral nah it cool
delicate coral
Oh okey lol, I think it’ll be easier to organise my thoughts there anyway so I’ll do that for now while I build up some evidence
hollow pier
Considering it is a civil war, both sides would fight with the same weapons
@mortal viper THIS IS AN EXCELLENT POINT and I fully back it as evidence that it doesn't matter what shields or weapons any of the spirits used
mortal viper
Shield patterns were usually used as way to differentiate between enemy troops. As an exemple you can look up Spartan and Athenian shields from Peloponnese War.
But maybe they used different colours or armor, and the shields and weapons were the ones they found laying around. We can’t know for sure because there is none of this stuff left, just the weapons.
But it does makes me wonder whether sun shield was the King’s/Edens symbol, considering there are two of them displayed at Eden’s first area
Maybe the ones bearing the sun shields were the kings guard
And the diamond shields were used by the army soldiers
frozen pivot
Why sun shields so dang big tho
mortal viper
No idea
frozen pivot
Theres no way in hek a normal spirit wouldve been able to hold it
mortal viper
But we humans have our history of making big shields
Look for roman rectangular shields
They were basically the size of an adult male
frozen pivot
Those sun shields arent rectangular tho
And the only one ive seen to match its size while holding it is the big chonky gw elder
mortal viper
Let me check something
frozen pivot
But those are stone shields right
mortal viper
Yes
Everything is sky is made of stone
Even the boats
My kid is the original size, so that would be what? 3’2”? So 91,49 cm for people like me who doesn’t understand why we still using feet to mesure things.
short owl
I'm confused by comma placement
mortal viper
Spirits are more or less 2x a kid size, so 182,98 cm, or 1,82 m
@short owl what do you mean?
short owl
It's not acting as a decimal because doing hundredths of a centameter would be unreasonable... But there are only two numbers following?
mortal viper
There are millimeters
And millimeters have nanometers, which have micrometers and so on
short owl
Are the measurements precise enough to use milimeters?
mortal viper
I used a converter
But let me check again
Sorry, the correct value is 96,52 cm
1 ft = 30,48 cm
1 in = 2,54 cm
But converting everything to meters:
Kids: 0,96 m
Spirits: 1,93 m
Sun shield (~2,5x the kid size): 2,40 m
Diamond shield (~2x the kid size): 1,93 m
short owl
You know... The shields wouldn't be the only oversized equipment
mortal viper
Maybe Wasteland Elder was just bad at keeping track of his shields and left them laying around in a big mess, and the war was to see who would have to pick them up
short owl
The jars they cary are just too large for use
mortal viper
The weapons as well
short owl
Maybe for spirits, physical form is a much smaller part of the equation than we realize
mortal viper
They could levitate things
short owl
Maybe the scholor's levitation is just an extension of normal levitation. Maybe they usually levitate things on contact rather.
short owl
This could lead to only minor exertion while holding a larger than them shield, and allow normal use of jars wider than they are as backpacks (where they do not hinder arm movement, sight, or leaning)
mortal viper
But now I am imagining a levitation sword duel
But still in every memory where they could be levitating things, they are carrying them
Eg: bellmakers
Perhaps they’re just strong
Really strong
normal berry
Me and one of my friends came up with another joke theory:
so if our players are the fragmented remains of the king/his soul/ his spirit
then if every player were to sit on the other's shoulders
then technically we would become the king
short owl
@mortal viper this presumes that 1. All things can be levitated (maybe just some types of stone?), and 2. That there isn't a limit. The bells may just happen to be above what a bellmaker can cary, so they have a buddy help them.
mortal viper
@short owl Not all things, right?
normal berry
perhaps only some were able to levitate things, or it took alot of practice and skill that those in vault had the opportunities to learn (they seem like nobles/ higher class) that bell makers (they seem like workers) couldn't
mortal viper
Could be
fleet crater
are the sky children small or is Oreo large?
mortal viper
Kids smol
mortal viper
Spears are usually long
normal berry
ok but not too long that you cant pick them up
mortal viper
They tend to be twice the size of a human
normal berry
and the swords?
mortal viper
Yes, the swords are too big
normal berry
the shields seem normal I think
mortal viper
Though we do have the Claymore
normal berry
even claymores are big within reason
mortal viper
They were are more spears than swords
normal berry
remember you need to be able to pick up a sword to wield it
normal berry
also if you think a claymore is big then you've gotta see a zweihander
mortal viper
Yes, this great swords are ridiculously big
To the point they no longer can be used to fence
They are basically a spear with a giant tip
normal berry
anyways wonder what type of swords were in battlefield
mortal viper
Wdym?
cobalt palm
They look more like single edge swords, like an oversized daikatana
mortal viper
Yes
normal berry
they look sort of like a weird cross between a barabudur and a tachi
there a single edge sword no doubt
cobalt palm
Tachi was the one I was trying to think of
Though in reality they look a bit more Zanbatō style
horse-chopping saber maybe replaced with "krill-chopping saber"
normal berry
I haven't seen the end of the blades (they are stuck in the sand) but I'm assuming its some sort of forward angled blade
cobalt palm
Maybe Okiami zanbato
No I think all the weapons are stuck into something with fabric on the opposite side to the pointy bit
normal berry
maybe like some sort of burial?
cobalt palm
I was wondering if it was remnant if battle, the spears are always in or near octagonal shields
And swords always near the kite shield
I believe we even see this in Eden
normal berry
yeah
cobalt palm
And wl elder tbh
normal berry
i dont remember seeing any weapons in eden
prolly because i was more concerned with not getting whacked by rocks
cobalt palm
@normal berry in the first hut up the hill, with the single winged light
normal berry
ohh yes i remember now
hushed steeple
soo I found this in the office, I have no idea what it is, anyone know?
cobalt palm
Your Sky archaeologist is on the case
short owl
Twist: those aren't weapons, but kitchen tools
All the shields in the area are just fancy plates
normal berry
aww they had a picnic
short owl
It was fine until a trouble maker told the kids that their food makes fun squisy noises when stabbed real hard
normal berry
short owl
At least squishy noises do get made?
mortal viper
but one thing got me thinking: The table in Vault's 2nd level is quitr big
even for the spirits
maybe they can change sizes?
short owl
It may be for elders.
Elders would fit it nicely, and they do need a place to talk about important stuff
quaint marlin
Does anyone have any information on the megabird lore?
mortal viper
and forest clearing came with belonging season
broken basin
That place is called Sunny forest, not forest clearing
mortal viper
thanks, i didn't know
normal berry
Also there is eight seats I think? For each of them?
broken basin
There are 8 seats in the forest table.
6 for the Spirits, 1 for Grandma, and 1 for us
But there are only 6 in the vault one out of which 1 seat is broken
mortal viper
Does anyone have any information on the megabird lore?
@quaint marlin I don't, but maybe the pins have something?
safe thistle
But there are only 6 in the vault one out of which 1 seat is broken
@broken basin Maybe the valley elders had to share and broke it
gilded timber
Little late but I am still interested in size of spirits. What about chibi mask? The spirit who wear it is quite big and have mask which should make anyone smaller, right?
short owl
Given that the megabird is no longer in the game beyond one credits scene... The new lore should be that stars often rearange themselves to make new shapes to screw with planet bound natives.
Sadly, it takes around 400 years to do so
mortal viper
XD
hushed steeple
What is the megabird? Im new to sky so I don't know most names to things
tawny wedge
can anyone explain this-?
short owl
@hushed steeple have you finished Eden yet?
hushed steeple
Yes
short owl
If you watch the credits, you will see a big star bird near the end
That's the megabird - a collective of all stars. Early lore had it as a collective conciousness or something similar
mortal viper
can anyone explain this-?
@tawny wedge what you don't understand?
tawny wedge
is the thing in the middle the king?
mortal viper
a question: are they using mantas to carry the lanterns/projectors/knowledge holder?
sly kestrel
waiitttt A SECOND
Does anyone kno on top of their head how many vault elevator floors there are
mortal viper
I would assume there are at least 6
we are just hallucinating from 3 up, but that is because we don't know how to use projection technology
sly kestrel
So 6 elevator floors right?
mortal viper
and we are turning them all on at the same time
@sly kestrel counting ground level, yes
sly kestrel
Hmmmm I have a new theory on that mural actually
mortal viper
do share
sly kestrel
It’s actually showing a lot
The six columns of vault lanterns, those are the 6 vault elevator levels, and it was hinted that the whole vault level could’ve been jus a memory or a dreamlike experience, well theres a spirit named a memory whisperer, and the lanterns are called memory cubes in the concepts. in that mural it is showing that the spirit mantas are projections or memories from these “memory cubes”. Now for the vault elder holding up the big memory cube, it seems like that’s the one responsible for projecting the giant creature we see at the 5th floor
A long time ago, we used to think they were sucking spirit mantas into these lanterns, but it’s actually the opposite
The lanterns are projecting the spirit mantas, and they are also identified as memories
Hmmm it would prolly make more sense if I used pictures
odd karma
like running film thru a projector
hushed steeple
Well in some of the art in Tom Zhao's website it shows that the lanterns project memories
mortal viper
Oh, I thought that was said here already
I agree with you Jay, that seems to be de case
gray bridge
the vault elder's standing on some mini version of the elevator (or the elder's just very big but then again it's a mural, what even is size and scale)
round fossil
(I want to input a new theory, or at least a question, when this current theory discussion is over)
hushed steeple
Is there lke some sort of map of sky. I was wondering which temples were closer to eden
mortal viper
(I want to input a new theory, or at least a question, when this current theory discussion is over)
@round fossil give me your theory
round fossil
There are maps of individual realms, but I don't think a whole map of Sky.
As I see it, the realms with more life, and lack darkness are farthest away from Eden (as Eden is the center of it all). So taking that in mind, it's basically how you see it in Home.
Realms from farthest to closest to Eden in Sky:
- Isle
- Prarie
- Forest
- Valley
- Wasteland
- Vault (being under Eden.)
I'll post my theory/question in a moment.
hushed steeple
From the discussion above about the giant spears and shields in wasteland. I was also wondering why there were barriers right at the entrance of the temple. What or who would want to "invade" the temple? I'm not sure its krill because all they do is attack living things. Idk its just a thought
chilly kestrel
vault being under eden is such a good idea and makes so much sense! that would be why it's called vault; it's not just a place to store knowledge, it's also a place where knowledge is kept safe in a war-stricken world.
and the whole "going up" aspect, too.
hushed steeple
I'm not sure if war existed from the beginning tho. But that is a good thought
round fossil
The Ending of Vault is so like an elevator-type look as well. Like, there's no door behind where you spawn, and there's a literal gateway to Eden. So it just makes sense.
chilly kestrel
i'm going from the theory that the realms also show the development of the world (to its eventual destruction)
round fossil
And in every Realm, it shows Eden being so high in the sky.
chilly kestrel
and in most of the world maps we don't see vault, irrc!
round fossil
So the Vault, being a gateway to Eden, having an entrance in the castle in Wasteland, is also valid.
and in most of the world maps we don't see vault, irrc!
@chilly kestrel
Because it's Under Eden. And a world map would usually show an overhead view.
hushed steeple
Well we do see vault in isle
chilly kestrel
no, i think they mean a depiction of it!
hushed steeple
Oh, I meant in the markings on the wall
round fossil
An example of what I'm talking about is this:
chilly kestrel
on the murals there's a tower between where eden and valley is
round fossil
You can clearly see Eden on top of the mountain
chilly kestrel
but we never See the tower
chilly kestrel
yeah, exacty!
round fossil
So taking that in consideration, Eden's elivation is higher than all of the other Realms, the Vault being a gateway/staircase.