lore-discussion-spoilers

[magic stream]

it is just me assuming tho

[signal vigil]

Yeah we do seem completely different from the ancestor child shown in valley icerink

[magic stream]

and if i connect that with inyro cutscene, all the elders was fallen as themselves (which is just a light symbols), but only our child that fallen from orbit and going inside a body

[hushed steeple]

Why is the sixth elder so gloomy

Is he related to the eye of eden powerstone?

Or he is sad caus we gonna die

And is the king eating earth/powerstone?

Or is that circle orbit

[magic stream]

which one is the fifth elder?

some says that the sphere was a key for Eden Castle

[hushed steeple]

The elder of vault

[magic stream]

This door key

[hushed steeple]

Oh makes sense

[magic stream]

Maybe the elder feels responsible for all the past, maybe...actually they have made some mistakes in the past

[hushed steeple]

||we die for their sins I guess||

[magic stream]

All the elders cutscene feels lil bit sad if you think about it

[sly kestrel]

U don’t need to spoiler tag anything

[magic stream]

Our job literally to bring them back, as said in the intro

[hushed steeple]

And this shape

[magic stream]

Some speculated that that is Megabird, the one in the concept art

[hushed steeple]

Woah

[sly kestrel]

The megabird isn’t the whale saath

[hushed steeple]

Ik

[sly kestrel]

Then why did u...

Nvm

[hushed steeple]

I use the whale emoji to show ok

Or woah

Thanks for the info btw👍

[magic stream]

What lil bit confusing is that is the Megabird some kind of entity, living entity...or just a collection of light/soul?

[hushed steeple]

It could be the meta being of light

[icy basalt]

"the Light"

[magic stream]

If that is the Megabird, it seems like it is just some kind of galaxy...not an entity

Or maybe living galaxy?

[hushed steeple]

Minor question

What's the crescent

[magic stream]

Idk, actually ive never take a look at that

Moon?

Is there a moon?

[hushed steeple]

Is there a sun?

[icy basalt]

I think it is Orbit

[hushed steeple]

Isn't the brighter thing orbit?

[magic stream]

There is a sun...but is there a moon?

[icy basalt]

Isn't the brighter thing orbit?
@hushed steeple For me the brighter thing is "the Light"

[magic stream]

I think i never saw something like that cresent

[hushed steeple]

Is it my phone glitch then?

Next time someone going to eden recheck it then

[icy basalt]

that ball that is surrounded by mantas before we enter the orbit

[magic stream]

I have to check this sunday then

[icy basalt]

Or maybe the eden castle, idk 🤣

[magic stream]

@icy basalt i think that was just manta calling effect right?

[icy basalt]

I don't think so 🤔

[magic stream]

Ill have to check later, it got me curious

[icy basalt]

Me too!

[hushed steeple]

It was persistent and clear btw

[magic stream]

Or maybe we actually got a moon, we know that there are other planets tho

Idk

[heady sinew]

This vase has claw marks

[magic stream]

Hmm

[modest sequoia]

Someone didn't want to go in their jar

[patent chasm]

I wonder how krill became krill

How did they form??

Why do they destroy everything because we know wasteland wasnt like that before

[hollow pier]

we actually got a crab cave with lots of mantas painted on the wall
@humble barn the mantas lead the way out

Exibit A: former name of winged light is "star"
@short owl these is a fan name, what’s been confirmed as canon is spirits+elders=stars

[compact olive]

Can anyone tell me where the images come from about the ark, in golden wasteland, exploding comes from? Is that from the developers or was that fan made?

[hollow pier]

You can see them if you fly up to those pillars lining the battlefield path
@left sun those are canon confirmed as statues of the king (concept art has them as beam turrets

Hmm, that actually make sense that Krill doesnt eat/absorb light...so theory that Krill is absorbing light doesnt seem make sense anymore
@magic stream one of the daily tips confirms it as canon that krill eat light

[compact olive]

Can anyone tell me where the images come from about the ark, in golden wasteland, exploding comes from? Is that from the developers or was that fan made? 😦

@ Mochi-daifuku#5077

@ Mochi-daifuku

@humble barn

@sweet dirge

[hollow pier]

And this shape
@hushed steeple that’s canon confirmed to be the megabirb

@compact olive what images?

Can you post them?

[compact olive]

@hollow pier it won’t let me post. But it is a timeline drawn in what looks like pencil, it talks about a prince who finds dark stone and uses to build arch... images are all the way up in this chat

Posted 9:59pm yesterday mountain standard time

Posted by mochi-daifu and reposted by nyom*nom

[hollow pier]

It’s not exploded it’s being constructed; this is part of a concept art by Tom a dev

[compact olive]

So is that considered “canon” ? And (thank you) where can I find this concept art online ?

@hollow pier thank you. Very much. Is there more concept art and where can I find these online?

[short owl]

@hollow pier a quote from the wiki:

Note: In the early versions of the game, the Winged Light was called Stars. You will occasionally still see this reference in this Wiki, though we are trying to change it.

[hollow pier]

https://imgur.com/a/gkXTD3t @compact olive

@short owl oh! I was unawares

[sly kestrel]

So is that considered “canon” ? And (thank you) where can I find this concept art online ?
@compact olive it’s not considered canon, it’s a very old concept back when vault didn’t exist yet

[short owl]

I know the ||office|| is technichally non-cannon, but does anyone else think it feels more like memories or perception of the real world than the real world?

[sly kestrel]

No

It’s simply an Easter egg and replica of the real life tgc office

So is that considered “canon” ? And (thank you) where can I find this concept art online ?
@compact olive I have the full timeline if u want it but jus keep in mind that it’s not canon at all, it was jus an old idea back then

[compact olive]

@sly kestrel yes please! And thank you In advanced for the full timeline

[hushed steeple]

I dont know much on the lore can someone help me out

[hushed sable]

I dont know much on the lore can someone help me out
@hushed steeple I would start by going through the pins

[hushed steeple]

O ok thank u

[compact olive]

@hushed steeple what are “the pins” ? And how do I get to them? (New discord user)

[lethal stump]

are you on mobile ?

[compact olive]

@lethal stump yes

[lethal stump]

ok, swipe to the left and you should see
‘search, pins, notifications, settings’

click pins

[compact olive]

@lethal stump you are a genius a gentleman/lady and a scholar good sir/madam... thank you very much.

[lethal stump]

im a dude uwu

[compact olive]

@lethal stump you are a genius, a gentleman and a scholar good sir... thank you very much.

[hushed sable]

So I heard a theory this is for astronomy?

I think it might be yet another thing that refers to orbit

[orchid crypt]

it'd make sense if it's related to ascent/orbit as well, considering the music in that area has some resemblance to the one in ascent

not sure if i'd call it a leitmotif, but the way the first few notes move are somewhat similar, if timed a bit differently

[sly kestrel]

The exact word is an armillary sphere

It’s a bit more complex and it looks more like the one we seen in sky

But wow nice observation on comparing it to the orbit sphere

[gray bridge]

i can check if there's a leitmotif later huhu, i've been wanting to find more of them in game and i've only confirmed one

[sly kestrel]

Huhhh

[gray bridge]

perhaps the lightball sphere is originally where the elders were? or at least, the lightball was around when the elders were still in the stars and that's why they were able recreate the sphere down in citadel

yeah the only leitmotif i've confirmed is in the piano solo before you're reborn and hidden forest theme

[sly kestrel]

No the sphere is an armillary sphere used to study the sky by the scholars

And

I looked it up

It’s a beer...

[gray bridge]

???

beer?

[sly kestrel]

Yeah leitmotif lager is a beer

[gray bridge]

oh LOL sorry

[sly kestrel]

Idk how this relates to sky...

[gray bridge]

no no no

i meant later

just a typo

[sly kestrel]

Ok

[gray bridge]

sorry

and ahh yeah ik armillary sphere is used by scholarsnto study the sky so maybe they used it to study the sphere specifically? i don't think the people down in the kingdom would able to recreate it since idt they'd see

so when the elders did come down that's when they were able to create the sphere

that's what i think

i'm confused by reading my own message zzz pls get sufficient sleep yall

[mortal viper]

will try

but the lore keeps me awake 👀

so many questions unsolved

[gray bridge]

i can't oppose that because i relate

[mortal viper]

XD

I need answers!

[gray bridge]

even the tiniest crumbs of lore we'll eat up

[sly kestrel]

[mortal viper]

exactly

changin topic a bit to GW (as usual, bc I am obseced with GW)

I went around the hole area and couted a total of 7 king statues so far

which left me wandering why they needed so many?

[gray bridge]

king propaganda

i think i read somewhere in here that the king statues were used to intimidate the people so perhaps it had something to do with the politics

[mortal viper]

and now I am sitting at the graveyard thinking of what it may have looked like before the fall, and if it may have been a village before it was a big pile of bones

[gray bridge]

gw must have been really beautiful

i mean... it's probably why golden is in the name

[mortal viper]

probably

i think i read somewhere in here that the king statues were used to intimidate the people so perhaps it had something to do with the politics
@gray bridge so this would make GW the rebel land

because there aren't statues of him in any other land

[mortal viper]

Maybe GW was destroyed by the king

[gray bridge]

omg i remember that LOL

[lethal stump]

whenever there are discussions abt gw king statues that meme is all i will say

[mortal viper]

because they rebeled

[gray bridge]

hmmm maybe wasteland elder led the rebellion against him

that's why he changed shields

[mortal viper]

yes

[lethal stump]

canon lore doc: forest and vault elder masks look similar because they are related
me: but what if...girlfriends...

[mortal viper]

and the king could have used the red diamond to destroy them

[sly kestrel]

I mean they said they lived to where gender didn’t exist

[lethal stump]

jay: but no gender tho
me: but what if...datefriends...

[mortal viper]

XDDDD

[orchid crypt]

@sly kestrel leitmotif in the earlier context we were talking about was referring to the concept of a repeating musical theme, not the beer

[sly kestrel]

what if they lived where dating didn’t exist

I know, I found out a bit earlier

It wasn’t beer

Well it was but

[lethal stump]

let me have my gay fun

[sly kestrel]

Without the “lager”

[gray bridge]

me and my typos man

oh yeh about the leitmotif you're right spearmonkey, i gave citadel's theme a listen on the train and though it was a bit noisy the theme does have elements of orbit music and also vault

[orchid crypt]

@gray bridge what i heard might be a bit of a stretch, but for me, try comparing (with a little bit of lead-in so you get your bearings on where it is in the music):

0:13 --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC2W2AMZTCg

2:50 --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT9DRHgufc0

it might be more the visual architecture convincing me that it's a leitmotif off of maybe two notes though, i'm not entirely sure

[lethal stump]

i kinda wish we had sheet music of the music in sky

[sly kestrel]

“Res can’t stop using confetti”
Hehehehhe wait till the dance emote comes out as a traveler spirit

[gray bridge]

hmm i can find the notes later on piano there's a few notes that are similar to vault

hahahaha when dance emote comes im gonna spam it even more

[orchid crypt]

i wouldn't be surprised: i was expecting the entire ascent/orbit section to reference bits from the whole game in some way

also with confetti: try piggybacking on a flying friend and using it every 2-3 seconds, you wind up creating a lightshow for anyone watching

not quite as crazy as the fireworks emote, but still fun

[gray bridge]

i agree but for now i will just continue to use this in almost every message and in game

[mortal viper]

XD

[gray bridge]

ok i'll check for leitmotifs now since i have a biit of time

[blazing terrace]

Is there any evidence suggesting that masks were a youth thing? Or of a more privileged upbringing ?

[mortal viper]

Well, considering some elders have them (wasteland elder), as well as some soldiers, I would say they may be more related to jobs? Or position inside a job maybe?

[spring blaze]

[mortal viper]

King statues in GW are up to 9 now

[spring blaze]

i think it could be related to jobs

considering how much thought is put into the spirits themselves, they definitely chose what cosmetics each spirit offers

all of the spirits in vault had that scholar headpiece iirc

[mortal viper]

For some reason discord is refusing to send my screenshots, but i wanted to bring up the resemblance between king statues and the towers of GW temple. I know they aren’t identical, but they look alike, with GW temple’s towers just looking evil.

i think it could be related to jobs
@spring blaze ok, now I want to try and find a pattern here

[spring blaze]

gw looks like an evil building

[mortal viper]

yes it does

[modest storm]

Perhaps masks were used to protect their faces when flying and it ended up being a societal thing after a few centuries.

[mortal viper]

we don't know if spirits had the ability to fly, but considerig they built flying boats, it is possible they didn't

[modest storm]

Plenty of them have capes

[magic stream]

Did you mean this Hall? The Wasteland Elder hall right?

[modest storm]

Maybe the boats were used to transport a bunch of stuff at time.

[magic stream]

I think that towers on top of Wasteland Great Hall was a turrets, and its indeed used King design.

[orchid crypt]

it didn't occur to me until now, but the king's "head" on those statues and towers look like the same icon we see for winged light

[magic stream]

There is a theory that Winged Light was actually the King light/soul fragment.

He is beyond saving.

[mortal viper]

@magic stream you can see the king statues below the main tower, on the grond. That is what they usualy look like.

Maybe the boats were used to transport a bunch of stuff at time.
@modest storm possible. i would like to believe that their capes were not only adresses. but as far as we have seen in their memories, none of the ones with capes flew.

[magic stream]

Yeap, those tower are literally identical with the King design

Also a turret on top of shipwreck also used King design

[mortal viper]

Yes

There is a total of 9 structures with the king exact design in GW

And those 5 towers on the temple that resemble him

@spring blaze ok, now I want to try and find a pattern here
Ok I think I did find something

[magic stream]

Something still bothering me tho, we know what the King looks like based on the old concept art and many structures...but if you see the King on the Vault Elder cutscene he is completely different design

Maybe that when the King wearing his crown?

[mortal viper]

possible

[spring blaze]

what was it blue?

[mortal viper]

I am organizing the pics

[orchid crypt]

the king's silhouette is also quite different in this one piece of concept art -- he almost looks like the mountain itself here

[mortal viper]

true

[orchid crypt]

you'd almost think he was the entirety of the eden mountain itself, with his "head" being what's now that detached floating building part

assuming that thing in the picture is actually the king and not just an ominous silhouette of eden anyway

[mortal viper]

XD

it does give that vibe

but there are other concept arts of him

and he is frighteningly tall

This one

[wise storm]

He looks like a gate

[magic stream]

That's what got me think why the Eden's gate so huge...maybe it is build for someone at his size

[wise storm]

You’re right... I never thought about that. I just thought the sound effect when it opened was cool. Is it significant then that the home portal to other kingdoms are proper gates but only Eden is a hole on a rock mountain albeit at a smaller scale than actual Eden?

[magic stream]

@orchid crypt that design closer to the King on the Vault Elder cutscene...with the crown and stuff

[orchid crypt]

it is, yeah -- makes me wonder which design they settled on, or whether it's showing him at two different periods in time

[magic stream]

@wise storm that's why i thoght that the building we pass through while ascent was the actual Eden Castle...everything is so massive and tall compared to us.

[wise storm]

I hope when they said the king is there but not in the way we think doesn’t mean he’s been merged into the place or similar yikes

[magic stream]

@orchid crypt you know what? It remind me about the Prince, i know that they said the Prince was taken from the lore and the game...but what if the crowned one was the old King, and the current King design was once a Prince...maybe?

[orchid crypt]

it's possible, although i don't think we've got too many hints of it in-game

would make for something interesting if the reason for the civil war in golden wasteland was because the prince usurped the throne, but again, we don't really have any evidence pointing to that

[spring blaze]

this concept art w the king reminds me of the eden mural in the vault cutscene

[orchid crypt]

yeah, that silhouette looks a lot like the eden building as well, along with the mural crown

[wise storm]

Or maybe he is the source for the power they wield in power diamonds considering how the pipes are the largest going out of Eden compared to wasteland.

[orchid crypt]

he could potentially be the giant power diamond, or that might be all that remains of him?

[wise storm]

What have we done with him. Free him. He’s just a rectangle.

[orchid crypt]

he's just a blockhead of a king

[magic stream]

And also when you watch the intro scene carefully, the King (light on the Eden) was not fallen from the sky like the rest of the Elders did...it is just there.

[sly kestrel]

“The king is no longer to be saved”
I forgot the exact quote

But, he’s gone now

[orchid crypt]

the central light at the beginning connecting the other constellations didn't fall down with them at first, but then there was something on top of the mountain in the clouds too

someone else also brought up another point though: the central light in the sky had a silhouette that looked a lot like the child of light

[sly kestrel]

it was a live-stream a long time ago but the hint they gave us made me think he was prolly dead or jus not saveable anymore like the other elders

Wait what

[wise storm]

I can’t help but feel like something terrible happened to him 😦

[sly kestrel]

And also when you watch the intro scene carefully, the King (light on the Eden) was not fallen from the sky like the rest of the Elders did...it is just there.
@magic stream how do u kno thats the king 🤔

Well whatever happened to him, he prolly deserved it
According to all the concepts I’ve read, he was a terrible person

[magic stream]

If we assumed that the King was the Eden Elder, then the light on top of Eden castle must be him right? Or not?

[magic stream]

Only 6 stars that fallen

[sly kestrel]

That person is you
The kid in the intro is most likely the child of light

[orchid crypt]

the icons in the center are pretty interesting to think on

[sly kestrel]

So many topics at once, what are we talking about rn

Yesss they have multiple meanings

[magic stream]

@sly kestrel but when the light fallen and becoming us the kid...the person symbol doesn't disappeared

Or maybe we are a fragment of that person light?

[sly kestrel]

The person symbol?

Can u please say that whole sentence again

[orchid crypt]

this might be what restudwikurnianto was getting at, but at 0:50 here...

6 lines are drawn showing the elders falling from the sky to below the clouds, while that central figure doesn't have one -- but then from below the clouds, a 7th line suddenly appears which goes to the top of the mountain where eden is, and it uses the halo icon of that figure that seemingly never fell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dNShWJ0jiY

i'm not entirely sure what that's supposed to mean

[magic stream]

Wait i think @sly kestrel that is my mistake, i thoight we shwon the child of light symbols second times

[wise storm]

Uuuu what if wastelands was the fortress to protect Eden

[sinful gull]

I always thought Wasteland was protecting the Vault

[wise storm]

If we remove Vault in the middle, the pipes might be funnelling from Eden into wastelands

The sizes would make sense

[sly kestrel]

Ehh most likely not vault

Eden makes a bit more sense, but the fortress idea I agree with bc a lot of concepts have pointed towards that

[wise storm]

I’m sorry I’m just topic jumping it’s all a big mess in my head rn

[sinful gull]

I need to be more active in the lore chat I’m beginning to get invested in the game’s backstory

[wise storm]

It just got me to thinking because the vault was missing in the series of the office poster concepts, and they mentioned vault was more like a dream, kind of like a place removed from physical location if that makes sense

[magic stream]

@orchid crypt what if, Eden Elder indeed same kind of Elder like the rest, but he was the first one to fell from the sky? And then the other 6 Elders fell after?

[sly kestrel]

Vault (to me) seemed like something that was built after the destruction of everything
After everything I’ve heard and read, it simply jus didn’t make sense for wasteland to be a protector of vault

And the reason why vault wasn’t in the office posters was bc it was a late concept that came later in development

Before it was jus called “night” and it wasn’t rlly a vault

[orchid crypt]

@magic stream you mean if the eden elder had actually fallen before what the narration started showing? that's an idea...

[hushed sable]

but the lore keeps me awake 👀
@mortal viper ditto

[sinful gull]

There’s a map I have saved of sky, if anyone wants me to pull it up I can

Idk if it’s official but the person I got it from said it came from discord

[sly kestrel]

A map?

I think....we got the locations down already

But if u wanna show it u can

[orchid crypt]

could it be that vault was originally a passageway between golden wasteland and eden that was later repurposed because of how well-defended it was?

it felt pretty strange that they connected directly into each other

[sly kestrel]

Jus a quick reminder
Vault is in the center of the mountain and that’s where it was built, and it’s also a tower that gives us an entry way to the peak of the mountain where eden is

[sinful gull]

ohhh ok!!! sorry about that

sorry if i’m asking stupid questions i’m new to the lore and there’s still a lot i haven’t figured out or learned

[magic stream]

@sly kestrel btw abour the Vault timeline, it is just the Vault that has different timeline? Or every single realms is actually different timelines?

[sly kestrel]

Huh

Wdym timeline

Wait

Huhhh

What are u talking about

[magic stream]

Wait2 i think i miss understood your point...now i realize it

My bad

[twilit stump]

hey speaking of vault whats up with the weird manta in there?

this big bad gal

[sly kestrel]

It’s not real

Oh that’s called the cosmic whale

But ya....he’s not rlly real

[twilit stump]

[sly kestrel]

Or she

[twilit stump]

i call it a she because theres a bunch of tiny ones around her

[hushed sable]

Cosmic whale looks nothing like the other whale...

[sly kestrel]

He/she also has 2 lil babies

[magic stream]

And the mantas are called ghost manta right?

[hushed sable]

Unofficially

[sly kestrel]

Boop I jus love how ur always saying hello before you say something

[twilit stump]

Well there's only one other creature that has that many limbs

it might not be exact. but

i said limbs to not immediately give away what im implying

[hushed sable]

And the mantas are called ghost manta right?
@magic stream the spirit that has the voice is call the "Memory Whisperer". So... they're called memories offically?

[sly kestrel]

what we see in the vault ascension isn’t entirely real
It’s more of a fake simulation or memory that’s a dream like experience

[twilit stump]

How are we certain?

[sly kestrel]

Cuz it’s confirmed....

[gray bridge]

and after second level the shelves disappear, it's all just black with light particles

it's in canon lore doc

[orchid crypt]

there's some pretty big implications that everything from the 3rd to 6th floors aren't all physically real in the sense that the physical space makes no sense at all for the inside of the building, as well as how drastically different the visuals are after you activate the elder scene

[twilit stump]

ah ok

[magic stream]

Also it is make sense, because when we finished the Vault we seems to be on the ground floor, its almost like the whole Vault levels were just some kind of spiritual experience...maybe

[sly kestrel]

Jus the ascent part
Atlas said that it was something that supposed to teach us skykids about the history of the world before we enter eden

And each level also represents a realm

[twilit stump]

The history..... hmm

each level being a realm is a tad bit obvious

[sly kestrel]

Yeah it didn’t show much but that’s what it supposed to do

[hushed sable]

Out of all the levels vault is in the least state of decay

[wise storm]

Sky kids on their way to becoming historians.

[twilit stump]

yeah there doesnt... seem to be a lot of connections imo? or i just havent seen all the spirits played in order LOL

[sly kestrel]

If only we knew how to use the knowledge lanterns, then we would kno everything

[twilit stump]

Out of all the levels vault is in the least state of decay
wydm?

[magic stream]

@hushed sable but before we enter Eden, Vault seems pretty much wrecked

[gray bridge]

the main vault doesn't have any darkness to burn

[hushed sable]

@hushed sable but before we enter Eden, Vault seems pretty much wrecked
@magic stream good point

[twilit stump]

if there's a level with the most decay it would be wasteland

[sly kestrel]

....ever went to eden?

[twilit stump]

theres nothing to burn except urself there so w/e

[wise storm]

Maybe more to demonstrate a flow or something about actions-consequences? I like how it’s go up only no go down.

[hushed sable]

I take back my previous statement. It's wrong

Do we burn darkness in every level except vault?

[magic stream]

@hushed sable maybe just maybe if the Vault is a dreamlike trip, maybe what we saw in Vault the entire time was a projection of what the Vault used to look like...from past memories

[wise storm]

Look at the size of these pipes. They can’t be carrying soup in them

[gray bridge]

vault doesn't have any darkness plants to burn but there are crabs in the two player door area

[hushed sable]

@magic stream that... is extremely plausible

[twilit stump]

maybe we do have access to memory capsules, and it what's floors 3-6 were

i mean..... we do basically light stuff up that looks like those yeah?

[mortal viper]

what was it blue?
@spring blaze OKAY I AM DONE!
Here is the pic

[spring blaze]

[mortal viper]

Took me too long to make something ao simple

This is my interpretation, obviously

If you guys have any others, I’ll be happy to hear

[wise storm]

Nice chart thank you

[spring blaze]

thats a great chart!

the isle one is worn by the isle elder, pot mask by prairie, forest by forest, wasteland full face mask by wasteland elder and vault mask by vault too

[hushed sable]

The spirits fashioned their fashion and masks after the elders?

[turbid spade]

Out of all the levels vault is in the least state of decay
@hushed sable vault is took the heaviest blow from eden accident. The one we see isn’t the real vault. The real vault is after vault elder cutscenes and before the door to eden

Sorry bad English

[mortal viper]

The spirits fashioned their fashion and masks after the elders?
@hushed sable possible

[hushed sable]

@hushed sable vault is took the heaviest blow from eden accident. The one we see isn’t the real vault. The real vault is after vault elder cutscenes and before the door to eden
@turbid spade you're right

Ok I was thinking that the whole destruction event might have been similar to the tower of babbel.

The story of the tower of babbel is basically they try to build a physical tower to get to heaven and get punished for it

[short owl]

So... while we walk into the vault, what we're really seeing is the projection of the vault? But we can collect candles, WL and spirits inside. How does that work?

[hushed sable]

No one knows. In interviews they say how it works Is mysterious

[magic stream]

Just for refferences

[turbid spade]

Imagination

[wise storm]

I think perhaps it exists in the same way elders exist. Maybe not in the same space and time, but nevertheless still there.

[magic stream]

Or maybe we as the child of light ca actually extract light essence from the memory itself? Since we could received candles and stuff even from the spirits memories

[wise storm]

Could be too since we can interact with physical environment as well as spirits that are only echoes of their memories.

[hushed sable]

The glowing diamond thing does project the constellations

[wise storm]

Sky kid breaks all the walls to get to what they want

[sinful gull]

I never understood that secret area though. What happened there?

[wise storm]

The archive?

[sinful gull]

Yeah

sorry if my question sounds stupid sjcjsjjc

[magic stream]

Hmm...it is seems completely different from others Vault areas tho, the way they stored the memory lantern

[wise storm]

Hush no questions are stupid

[magic stream]

And that whole entire area basically floating

[sinful gull]

yeah that part is weird

[wise storm]

Suspended in time forever never to be read because the people who could are all gone

[hushed sable]

There was official lore on that... lemme dig for it

[sinful gull]

also what about all the holes in it? the water? the crabs? something had to have happened in there

[orchid crypt]

maybe the sky kid took some of the records off of the walls and started reading/experiencing what we played?

[wise storm]

Can’t stop my brain from conjuring up an image of that big fish smashing through the archives

[hushed sable]

" https://youtu.be/zmWKRTc_kqI
From Japanese Livestream 3 (translation and excerpts compiled by Mochi-Daifuku):
The new area (Archive) was a highly restricted area. No one should enter.
As the restricted area decayed over time, an entrance appeared. There are knowledge/projection lanterns, sealed inside the large cubes. "

[wise storm]

The hole is interesting. Perhaps something got in... but perhaps also something got out. If it was a sort of bunker/safe house, maybe the remaining survivors wanted out or something idk flimsy explanation I know

[orchid crypt]

i like to imagine that most of how we saw the vault was how the sky kid was experiencing things in their mind, and then after they were done, they were just like "whoooooooaaaa..." in an empty ruined room

[magic stream]

@orchid crypt that kinda make sense, if we assumed the entire area was just a projection from lne of the most secret room in the Vault

[sinful gull]

the crabs are definitely weird though

[magic stream]

Also the floating area and the water and the crabs are not make sense

[sinful gull]

yeah!! and it says over time there was decay, but what exactly caused this decay?

[gray bridge]

eden diamond explosion possibly

[hushed sable]

Let me reintroduce the giant dug out tunnel as well...

[turbid spade]

i like to imagine that most of how we saw the vault was how the sky kid was experiencing things in their mind, and then after they were done, they were just like "whoooooooaaaa..." in an empty ruined room
@orchid crypt that’s what i feel for my first time at vault

[sinful gull]

is the vault projection before or during the eden diamond explosion?

the one we see while playing

[magic stream]

@hushed steeple but if you see the area is floating and doesnt seems to connected to any other ground area...except the entrance door...which is also floating kinda

[turbid spade]

yeah!! and it says over time there was decay, but what exactly caused this decay?
@sinful gull time. And nobody is still alive to take care stuff

[hushed sable]

is the vault projection before or during the eden diamond explosion?
@sinful gull depends on if you think all the spirits died in the eden explosion or not

[turbid spade]

I think everyone dead. We dont see post apocalyptic images in vault. The the happy ones

Just happy ones

[magic stream]

And I see the same pattern as we experienced in the main Vault tower...it is seem that the entrance and the exit is a same place...but when you going in and going out the area itis should be different way right?

[wise storm]

Astral projects into vault and comes back from vivid daydream to stare into Eden

[magic stream]

We should going out through the dug tunnel...i supposed

[sinful gull]

45 minutes ago i didn’t know any of this stuff.. never gonna look at the game the same way again

[gray bridge]

theories are wonderful aren't they

[mortal viper]

That’s what lore is for

[wise storm]

I love everyone in this channel

[sinful gull]

🥺

[magic stream]

Now it feels like Skykids is living in a sad world and given a sad task to do

[wise storm]

But we’re not alone in doing it, and we can still save the stars

[twilit stump]

im gonna go read the lore so im not so much of a lore moff on it

[magic stream]

And yet there are so much misteries to be solved

[twilit stump]

hehehe we're like moths eating up old stuff

[sinful gull]

in this chat i feel like i’m a moth surrounded by a bunch of veterans all over again

[gray bridge]

is ok we were all moths once in this chat

[sinful gull]

it’s good though!!! i love learning about the lore of the game and hearing people’s theories and being able to communicate with others on them

[wise storm]

They be opening my third eye in here that’s how I got that hole on my sky kid’s mask

[magic stream]

I just finished read all the pinned contents couple weeks ago tho

[wise storm]

Can’t wait for new season to see if there’ll be more! Lore content! Bells!

I’ve been thinking about how they’ve intentionally placed Sanctuary in Prairie, where everything begins after the apparent fall of the stars

[sinful gull]

the devs explained that every season has a reason behind it

[wise storm]

Makes me wonder if they fell by accident or fled

[sinful gull]

like it’s all set out in place if that makes sense

[wise storm]

Devs have big brains

[magic stream]

What regret me is I dont experience last seasons...this is my first season

So much lore stuff

@wise storm they have multiple brains, with so much crazy ideas from each brain

[orchid crypt]

do the non-integrated seasons actually contain lore for the main storyline? i thought they were fun side additions

[sinful gull]

There’s definitely interesting things in the next season. Can’t wait

[orchid crypt]

"non-integrated" meaning things which didn't stay in some form after the season ended, like the forgotten ark

[sinful gull]

do the non-integrated seasons actually contain lore for the main storyline? i thought they were fun side additions
@orchid crypt they’re all interconnected. let me try to find where it says that

[gray bridge]

for now i'd say that seasons are more for worldbuilding, but the overall lore is definitely considered in the implementation of seasons

[sinful gull]

here it is

[magic stream]

Really cant wait the new area...I literally have so much fun wondering around just by sitting by the new little tower

[orchid crypt]

yeah, i don't think they'd put something in a season which contradicts the given setting, i just don't know if they'd put any critical lore details in them that you could miss out on if you weren't there

[wise storm]

Just about over 48 hours to go

[magic stream]

Sorry to interupt the new season discussion...did someone knows some info about this pattern/symbol?

On top of blue banner

[orchid crypt]

they come up with stories on where the items you buy off of the spirits come from, nothing is random in the game
i...still find the sunglasses in the sanctuary preview image pretty funny

[gray bridge]

ohhh it's the trinity diamond

symbol of the king

the banners at the sides

[sweet dirge]

Isn't it a symbol for a season aswell

[orchid crypt]

it does kinda look like the general shape of the king's head, yeah

[magic stream]

I thought so at first, but it is pretty much different from the King shape we know

[sweet dirge]

@magic stream we have the same look uwu

[gray bridge]

ah yes there's also three diamonds for belonging's symbol

[wise storm]

Season of belonging? I notice the symbol is still etched into the room in sunny forest over the fireplace

[sweet dirge]

There's also a pattern on the chest part of our clothing that kinda resembles it

[wise storm]

Spirits lived in hollowed out logs

[magic stream]

@sweet dirge i love all white skykids 😆

[sweet dirge]

[sinful gull]

Season of belonging? I notice the symbol is still etched into the room in sunny forest over the fireplace
@wise storm going back to the confirmation that seasons are there for a purpose and everything is planned, this makes sense, but raises more questions

[magic stream]

As the conversation couple minutes ago...the King seems to have 2 different shapes, the star head one and the crowned one

[orchid crypt]

the star head one appears to be a helmet made of dark stone, assuming that's still a thing in the game

[wise storm]

The new area for belonging expanded underground into sunny forest, which is interesting in itself. Maybe as shelter because living on open land was no longer viable due to light harvesting, or... just throwing ideas out there

[sinful gull]

also that split in between sunny & rainy raises a few questions too

[orchid crypt]

you just reminded me that someone mentioned how the "underground area of sunny forest" is still technically in the sky

[gray bridge]

it's pretty funny

undersky cave

[sinful gull]

cave under the sky in the sky

[wise storm]

Bioluminescent fungus

[magic stream]

Undercloud cave? 😅

[sinful gull]

aboveground underground cave

[teal sage]

is every location in the sky?

[gray bridge]

isle and gw are on the ground

[teal sage]

what's with the clouds in golden wasteland?

fog?

[gray bridge]

as in the ones when you go to forgotten ark?

[teal sage]

yes

[wise storm]

Residue from Eden maybe

[teal sage]

why would eden produce clouds

[wise storm]

Not clouds but wind energy probably

Sorry I thought you were talking about cloud movement

[gray bridge]

i haven't been to the ark in a while but the boat does fly up into the sky in order to get there, it's probably on a higher level(?)

ima check

[magic stream]

as in the ones when you go to forgotten ark?
@gray bridge or maybe the forgotten ark area is above the cloud...we ride the flying boat right?

[gray bridge]

yeah that's what i was trying to say, that's a clearer explanation thanks

brb yeeting myself into the wasteland toilet bowl to check

[orchid crypt]

the boat rises gradually, i can't really decide how far up it rises before we get to the ark

[magic stream]

And it seems there is no single industrial stuff right? In ark area

[gray bridge]

yeah it's not very clear since there's a skip in scene

[orchid crypt]

hmm...you're right, i don't really recall any industrial-looking metal structures in the ark area

[wise storm]

Ohhh ... I do not like how this implies krills can live 5000 feet in altitude

[orchid crypt]

there is a really random krill though, i don't know what it's doing there

[wise storm]

[orchid crypt]

"huh, i've never thought to explore these rocks...wait, what is that doing here??"

[magic stream]

Ohhh ... I do not like how this implies krills can live 5000 feet in altitude
@wise storm Krill can live in the Eden tho...which is the highest point in the sky

[wise storm]

Imagine your boat slow cruising and you come face to face with this definitively not friend shaped thing but all you wanted to do was sell some shiny stuff

[hushed sable]

Now I'm just imagining a bunch a krill attempting to follow the children to orbit

[teal sage]

so what are light diamonds? i know about the dark diamonds but i don't think i've ever seen a light version

[orchid crypt]

are light diamonds even a thing? i don't think i've ever heard that term before

though the mechanism to unlock most doors is diamond-shaped, i've just never thought about exactly what those are if they're not primitive versions of powered diamonds

[hushed sable]

There is the light miner worker -- the crying emote guy/gal. So light can be found in the ground?

[magic stream]

Now imagine youre in a cloud tunnel like when you flew from Valley to Wasteland...the dark cloud tunnel, but instead of Whale shows up, There are a bunch of Krill rise up from the cloud

[teal sage]

that would be terrifying

[lethal stump]

says the one with the krill pfp

[teal sage]

it's better to observe from afar

[gray bridge]

yep, forgotten ark area is probably above gw level because there's a bunch of clouds around ft that really random krill

[hushed sable]

You know that krill saw someone today when I was going to the ark

[magic stream]

There is the light miner worker -- the crying emote guy/gal. So light can be found in the ground?
@hushed sable maybe what theyve been mining were dark metal/stone?

[hushed sable]

Prob

[magic stream]

The power diamond is mad from that material i think

[orchid crypt]

i don't know if the krill can spot anyone just riding the boat normally, but it can see you if you choose to explore the rocks -- was a miracle that i didn't get hit

[gray bridge]

yep it's possible to be seen, i know some people go to that krill when they do the dark dragon daily quest

[hushed sable]

I usually jump out of the boat, I thought it saw me for a sec lol

[wise storm]

Completely out of topic but I love to bait krills so they rush me and I fly to evade them

[orchid crypt]

i think people would complain if you could get krill'd while effectively being in a loading scene

[magic stream]

Is there Krill there? When we rode boat? I never notice that

[gray bridge]

yeah lol, thankfully krill light only reaches the upper parts of the rock

[orchid crypt]

there's one circling the rocks you ride through, yeah -- easiest way to see it is probably to wait for the boat to stop, then turn around and look

[wise storm]

Yes, the krill drifts around the top of the... hills... mountains... technically a hill...

[teal sage]

i can't believe we're getting murked by shrimp

[mortal viper]

A giant flying spiky light eating shrimp

[magic stream]

We are getting shrimped

[wise storm]

I still can’t figure out the original form. It’s got horns. Like weevils or something.

[teal sage]

krill call WHEN

[wise storm]

Also the legs don’t seem to be a functioning feature...

[orchid crypt]

it weirds me out how they're completely black, even in different lighting conditions like the ark

though i guess it wouldn't really be much of a comfort if they had more visible features either

[lethal stump]

darkness is the absence of light, spearmonkey

[teal sage]

darkness is dark, more at 8

[hushed sable]

I think the krill were never creatures of light

Always dark boys who like their dark. And get rid of anything that's light, or moves

[mortal viper]

I still can’t figure out the original form. It’s got horns. Like weevils or something.
@wise storm darkness corruption makes everything looks rough

[wise storm]

The goth creatures

[magic stream]

Yeah, maybe even every part of Krill is absorbing light...as blackhole concept, so we cant even see the shape

[gray bridge]

but still, i wonder why they have the blue light - which is the same blue as spirits and our sky kids' spirit when we die

[wise storm]

Oh right I grilled some crabs and they eventually ended up like this

[teal sage]

y

[hushed sable]

Makes me think of the angular fish

[mortal viper]

I think the krill were never creatures of light
@hushed sable I still think they are some kind of war machine gone wild

[wise storm]

Looks like all that’s left is the weird rough textures on them similar to the stuff I’m trapped spirits and children when dying in Eden

[hushed sable]

The deep sea one with the little light to attract other fish

The blue light could be like that

[mortal viper]

Angler fish

the one from Nemo

[gray bridge]

darkness plants give light, but darkness creatures give off ashes when burnt

[orchid crypt]

speaking of blue light: there's a very short moment before "take off" where your sky kid emits a blue light if you transition to a flying state from when you're standing on the ground

not sure what that's supposed to mean exactly, but it usually gives me a panic attack because i think a krill just spotted me

[mortal viper]

XDDDD

[jade river]

Hello people who spend their free time talking about lore

[gray bridge]

it might be due to the blue spirit inside skykids

[hushed sable]

Helllooo

[gray bridge]

can i just call them skids i get tired typing out sky kids LOL

[magic stream]

Some says that blue mean death in sky

[teal sage]

@jade river "free time" lol good one

[hushed sable]

Some says that blue mean death in sky
@magic stream oooohhhhh I love that

[gray bridge]

prairie blue skies...

jk that's reading too much into it

[hushed sable]

Welll... you do go up into the sky when you die...

[gray bridge]

and orbit's blue...

[jade river]

Maybe just represent pureness???

[teal sage]

the forest is blue

[gray bridge]

YO

wait wait wait my brain is

[mortal viper]

Blue is usually means sadness

[gray bridge]

HOLD ON

[hushed sable]

Death rain is falling from the sky in forest

[teal sage]

oh i get it, because teens want to die from stress

[gray bridge]

okay so i mentioned earlier in the chat that there's a common leitmotif in the music of hidden forest and orbit, i thought it would be a leitmotif to signify death since hidden forest is the first actual place where you can die. so if blue can also signify death, then that means...

[orchid crypt]

don't read into it too much, or we'll soon start freaking out about how moths pointing red candles at us is an aggressive signal like an alert krill

[jade river]

In forgotten ark, blue light purifies the enviroment, eliminating the toxic air and purifying the water

So blue means pureness of soul, of how noble the cause of skykids are

[hushed sable]

okay so i mentioned earlier in the chat that there's a common leitmotif in the music of hidden forest and orbit, i thought it would be a leitmotif to signify death since hidden forest is the first actual place where you can die. so if blue can also signify death, then that means...
@gray bridge that moment when you realize you can acually die in this pretty, and seemingly peaceful world

[magic stream]

Aah about Krill and other dark creature, what i thought is maybe they're just shows up from darkness naturally like the light creatures were...maybe

[wise storm]

Wastelands is all green though. Pea green.

[orchid crypt]

i guess you could make an argument for "blue" signalling death for vault as well, since that area's meant to represent old age or history

[gray bridge]

stuff like colours and symbols in sky can have many different meanings

and i find that very cool

[short owl]

So not quite sure how relevant this is, but red is usually a color of dark light, and is used to keep ants from recognising that there is actually light

[hushed sable]

Ash did say things have multiple meanings

[gray bridge]

yesoo she mentioned the diamonds with that

[short owl]

Going into a place that glows red... Maybe it's the closest thing there is to glowing with darkness

[teal sage]

valley?

[orchid crypt]

the later parts of valley would make sense to me, since you're approaching golden wasteland

[mortal viper]

@gray bridge that moment when you realize you can acually die in this pretty, and seemingly peaceful world
@hushed sable my game bugged when I was trying to go home from prairie and tossed me at the forest without any explanation. I almost died and it was my first time playing. I swore to myself I wasn’t going back to whatever place that was.
Next day there was I, fighting the rain to get my winged lights.

[magic stream]

Or maybe red is beyond darkness? Like the red diamond?

[orchid crypt]

earlier parts are much more white/dull blue

[teal sage]

can you really die in forest? i know you can lose your winged lights but i've never heard of anyone dying like in the place that shall not be named

[short owl]

@magic stream darkness in it's natural state just sits there. A darkness that can take over is a lot more dangerous.

[jade river]

My time in forest was to run and hide in a tree for 8 hours and then move to the next place and wait 8 hours

[magic stream]

I think Valley is not actually red...maybe just because it is sunset theme

[wise storm]

The colour may also be to do with the time progression in a day cycle, though.

But we can talk about how it’s used in motifs/with other colours to evoke certain emotions maybe

[short owl]

@teal sage yep. I had to use it to return to winglessness after that one wl in front of the gate

[hushed sable]

can you really die in forest? i know you can lose your winged lights but i've never heard of anyone dying like in the place that shall not be named
@teal sage you can, if you try for it.... it's more like a small taste of it before GW & Eden

[short owl]

It's not the same kind of death tho

[orchid crypt]

the out of bounds version of the stadium at the end of valley is mostly blue/grey if you see it, because it's under blue lighting conditions

[wise storm]

I wouldn’t consider OOB colour decisions in though (my personal opinion) because colour lighting completely freaks out in Prairie OOB cave area ceiling in certain places. It doesn’t seem accurate to me.

[magic stream]

Valley is mostly Golden in colors..i imagine maybe at some point Wasteland was looks like Valley almost

[gray bridge]

i do think you can die if you stand in the rain long enough lol

but if not death, hidden forest is the first place that introduces the drainage of light and nearly dying at least

[magic stream]

It is literally Golden Wasteland

[gray bridge]

yeah gw might have been golden as well

[mortal viper]

Colour must have different meanings throughout the game

[gray bridge]

perhaps it was more of a copper-ish colour since gw's green

[orchid crypt]

it's more that OOB lighting conditions might better show what the actual true colouring of a structure is, when you ignore the daylight lighting conditions

[wise storm]

Copper does turn green with age.

[teal sage]

corroded gold is green

[orchid crypt]

like a grey/white building will be completely masked if the lighting around it isn't fairly neutral

[teal sage]

always wondered why it's called golden wasteland when it's green

[gray bridge]

it depends on the gold since gold is generally very unreactive i guess

[orchid crypt]

maybe it's referring to what used to be a golden age, of sorts?

a thriving industrial setting can seem like the peak of a civilisation before things go astray

[gray bridge]

since gw was probably more of a 'slum' area i still think it would have been like copper-ish to mimic the golden look, or lower-quality gold was used

[mortal viper]

Or maybe the buildings were actually golden

[orchid crypt]

to look at it from a different angle, "green wasteland" would make you think that it might be overgrown with plant life at first, which is clearly not the case here

[mortal viper]

There is a fair amount of golden structures there

[wise storm]

Like... Greenland?

[mortal viper]

Let me find the screenshots

[orchid crypt]

yeah, "Greenland" actually sounds pretty lush -- i don't think the first image that pops into mind is "smog-filled environments"

[teal sage]

doesn't wasteland imply no plants though?

[orchid crypt]

hmm, point -- i think i was interpreting it more as "ruins" moreso than "wasteland" in the traditional sense

though "green" still feels like a very strange description to pair with "wasteland"

[wise storm]

What I’d like to know is when the name Golden Wastelands started coming into use, particularly since the area has been abandoned for ages. Time got to it before we sky kids do, things would have looked different, obviously.

[orchid crypt]

the krill got to it before we did too

[teal sage]

how do we even know the names in the first place?

[wise storm]

Also a good question.

[orchid crypt]

they might be written on the murals or told to us by the elders or something?

don't ask me where the sky kids would've learnt to read

[gray bridge]

perhaps it all comes back to the megabird...

[wise storm]

Maybe it was in our memories all along, after being woken up again

[gray bridge]

when in doubt, just use the megabird as a reason

[mortal viper]

Or maybe the buildings were actually golden
.

Three examples

[gray bridge]

so wouldn't that denote that that skykids were previously in the civilisation before, and they're just reborn instead in a skykid vessel

ahh yes, king propaganda

[mortal viper]

XD

[wise storm]

King propaganda sounds like a good nickname

[teal sage]

also did the entire civilization die or did most of them escape? the amount of spirits we have doesn't point to the death of an entire civilization

[mortal viper]

I tried to find the edge of ruined pathway in the first GW area, but apparently I didn’t take a pick

[gray bridge]

with the amount of king statues and symbols around, king really do has a high amount of self esteem, so king propaganda is a good nickname

seems that civilisation's dead, we're just living through the memories of spirits when they were alive

all the npcs we've met are in blue (haha going back to the blue = death thing) so yeah

[teal sage]

i just want to know how the world of sky works, why devs gotta be so ambiguous

[wise storm]

There we go

But the mystery is intriguing isn’t it.

[gray bridge]

i just realised your nickname's referencing the king LOL

yes it is very intriguing and that's a good since it means the devs have done a good job of storytelling and thus making us crave for more

[magic stream]

i just want to know how the world of sky works, why devs gotta be so ambiguous
@teal sage if the story has been explained, we wouldnt have rhis channel...actually this is what make the game more charming

[hushed sable]

Lots of Deserts are considered "golden" in rl. So it might be a play on that

Sand might be gold... but with green gross pollution it shines green

And there are golds that really lean towards a green. Trust me

[mortal viper]

A few more gold structures exemple that aren’t king-related

[wise storm]

Starts pilfering the gold coating

[mortal viper]

I know most realms have golden structures in their buildings, but GW literally has at least one golden pinacle per building

They were rich, that is undeniable

[magic stream]

Btw did you guys have theory about what is that diamond shaped golden thing (with engraved patterns)? Like the one we found in Forest

[mortal viper]

Apparently it represents the king’s head

[magic stream]

It seems that the large ship at shipwreck site is carrying a tons of that thing

[wise storm]

Ahh so not only did they do pottery but also metalworking and smithing and the technology to extract precious minerals too

[hushed sable]

So wasteland has a factory, what do you guys think the other structures were used for?

[mortal viper]

Oh! Those were molds for diamonds I think

[hushed sable]

The gw temple always looked a bit like a throne room

To me anyway

[mortal viper]

I started nurturing the idea that GW was once the capital of sky land

[hushed sable]

Ahh so not only did they do pottery but also metalworking and smithing and the technology to extract precious minerals too
@wise storm a very industrious people

[magic stream]

Oh! Those were molds for diamonds I think
@mortal viper aah i see, that make sense...so probably the destroyed ship wasn't battleship? May be it was a cargo ship

[mortal viper]

It looks so

[short owl]

Probably they had more, but it takes solid material to survive

[mortal viper]

@mortal viper aah i see, that make sense...so probably the destroyed ship wasn't battleship? May be it was a cargo ship
@magic stream but apparently it was being shipped by their navy

[hushed sable]

Ah the salute emote is found there

[mortal viper]

Yup

[magic stream]

I started nurturing the idea that GW was once the capital of sky land
@mortal viper I imagined that Wasteland was a city that most of diamond production take place...although Forest have some small scale production too

@magic stream but apparently it was being shipped by their navy
@mortal viper maybe you re right

[mortal viper]

That makes me think 2 things:

1. those things were dangerous and/or precious to a degree it needed to be taken by the military
2. there were people/things trying to steal it, else they wouldn’t need military protection

@mortal viper I imagined that Wasteland was a city that most of diamond production take place...although Forest have some small scale production too
@magic stream possible too

[magic stream]

Maybe it need to transport by military because of the war thing that happened

[mortal viper]

It could be

[magic stream]

Because the major cause ofthe war was the diamond production, based on the theories

[mortal viper]

I believe they rebelled against the king and, since the elder was helping them, they were winning, so the king bombed them with storm and whatever power comes from that big red diamond he had, living literally nothing behind

Reason why it looks so much more destroyed then the rest

[magic stream]

I believe they rebelled against the king and, since the elder was helping them, they were winning, so the king bombed them with storm and whatever power comes from that big red diamond he had, living literally nothing behind
@mortal viper that could be true, lil bit different than what i got from reading the discussion

That is the war could be happened before the fall of Eden

Maybe what happen to Eden was the reason why some againts the production of diamonds

[mortal viper]

Sure

The war happening before Eden could be the reason why it fell

The king used the diamond to lay waste to the golden land, causing it (the diamond) to be corrupted and bringing destruction upon Eden

[magic stream]

The king used the diamond to lay waste to the golden land, causing it (the diamond) to be corrupted and bringing destruction upon Eden
@mortal viper but why the King want to destroy Wasteland?

[mortal viper]

Because they are rebelling against him

Specially on the use of diamonds

[magic stream]

Hmm...possible

[mortal viper]

Maybe they started a strike on diamond production

[magic stream]

That actually make me more confused about Wasteland role in the war events

Because based on the previous discussion, Wasteland was a neutral side

Which is why the Elder wielding weapons with both sides symbols

[mortal viper]

The amount of king propaganda there makes me believe they were hard to control

Because based on the previous discussion, Wasteland was a neutral side
@magic stream i mean, it could be. I am just theorizing with an exhausted brain

Which is why the Elder wielding weapons with both sides symbols
@magic stream but this could also mean he just changed sides

[magic stream]

Im also currently trying to connecting all the theories...lol 😅

[spring blaze]

whats going on here

[mortal viper]

They were king soldiers, but when this hole discussion about diamonds started (and I think they were specially involved because of pollution) they started their own movement

[magic stream]

whats going on here
@spring blaze just lil discussion about the war thing again 🙂

[mortal viper]

whats going on here
@spring blaze basically, we are theorizing what role GW had on sky world and the war and eden fall

[spring blaze]

aahh

so someone recap what yall think because theres over 200 msgs to backread

[mortal viper]

XD

We were first discussing the reason behind the Golden part of the name

Then we ended up on the war part again because of the sunken ship filled with diamond molds

[hushed steeple]

Ginsy's pfp
Noice

[gray bridge]

also, king propaganda

[mortal viper]

I was exposing my theory of a rebellious GW rising up against the king aided by their elder after realizing how bad mass production of diamonds is for the environment and, as a result, being whipped out by the king using the giant diamond in Eden, causing it to become corrupted and bringing Eden’s downfall

[spring blaze]

yes the king is everywhere in the game, environment wise

[mortal viper]

King would attack them because:

1. they were winning
2. they started a strike on diamond production

[spring blaze]

ooh ive not heard thos theory before

this

[open heart]

hi guys, i’m new to this server and lore theorizing, i’m just wondering what the megabird is and who the king is? :0

[mortal viper]

Considering their elder, I assume they were the most militarized of all realms, leading it to be one of the most powerful. So king fills GW with his statues to make sure they will be compliant

[hushed steeple]

Stardustmilktea I think you would like to see backstory timeline (not cannon tho)

[magic stream]

hi guys, i’m new to this server and lore theorizing, i’m just wondering what the megabird is and who the king is? :0
@open heart some says that Megabird is the galaxy sized entity at the end of game credit, entity form by a countless soul/light...and The King is said to be Eden Elder

[open heart]

ok! tysm!! ^^

ooh that makes sens :00 tysm!!

[hushed steeple]

https://imgur.com/a/gkXTD3t

[mortal viper]

hi guys, i’m new to this server and lore theorizing, i’m just wondering what the megabird is and who the king is? :0
@open heart the king is the Eden Elder. He can be seen in the last constellation in Vault’s cutscene. He is no longer in the game to be rescued, but apparently still present in the story in a way it is not clear

[hushed steeple]

Umm I did any mistake by sending that ?

[mortal viper]

ooh ive not heard thos theory before
@spring blaze probably bc I just made it up

[spring blaze]

[hushed steeple]

That eye gif I loved it

[gray bridge]

ooo @mortal viper you should put it in the vault doc

[open heart]

thank you guys! :DD

[mortal viper]

ooo @mortal viper you should put it in the vault doc
@gray bridge sure! I’ll do it tomorrow, tho. I need to go sneep

[gray bridge]

okays gn!

[hushed steeple]

Gn bluespirit

[mortal viper]

Byby happy people! See you tomorrow!

[wise storm]

King propaganda

[magic stream]

Did anyone have some ideas what kind of place the Citadel really was? And what was that floaty circles thing used for?

[gray bridge]

armillary sphere was used to study the night sky

gen chat is so toxic rn i'm going to camp here

and the sphere looks like the light ball sphere in orbit

[magic stream]

Which sphere did you mean? Is there sphere in Orbit?

[sly kestrel]

Look up what an armillary sphere is and u will see res

Yk what imma be nice and look it up for you

[gray bridge]

yeah i've looked up the sphere already

[gray bridge]

ahh thank you

[sly kestrel]

That’s what it looks like
It’s purpose...well u gotta look that up urself cuz it’s a bit hard to explain

[gray bridge]

but... it does look like the light ball in orbit right

the structure of it at least

[sly kestrel]

WAFO

[gray bridge]

?

[sly kestrel]

🧇

It’s the answer to everything

[magic stream]

the structure of it at least
@gray bridge aah now i realize which one you talked about

Its kinda do similar

[gray bridge]

yeah that what i was trying to say

[hushed steeple]

I've a question how stones, structures floats in sky?

[sly kestrel]

I think it’s simply the environment of sky, a lot of stuff floats so I think it’s a natural thing

[hushed steeple]

Low gravity world

[sly kestrel]

We are used to our natural environment irl with our gravity rules, that’s why it seems strange
But with sky, there are no rules

[hushed steeple]

Hmm got it

Ty

[sly kestrel]

Gravity will be there whenever it wants to

And the gravity at the bird nest simply said “Ight imma head out”

[hushed steeple]

Lol

[hushed steeple]

Also in citidal

I forgot the spelling

😩

[gray bridge]

citadel

[sly kestrel]

Citadel

[hushed steeple]

Oh

[sly kestrel]

Oh

[gray bridge]

Oh

[sly kestrel]

[gray bridge]

[sly kestrel]

Ok imma stop before I get yelled at by nagati or sumtin so imma try not to get off track

But yes

It’s spelled citadel

[gray bridge]

yeso

oh man i wanted to bring up the leitmotifs i found earlier

actually, are leitmotifs in sky's music considered lore

there's a common progression that comes from the music that plays when interacting with the butterfly spirit in prairie

E4-F4-G4-C4-C5 (since the music is in c major)

the same progression can be heard in vault's first floor and also briefly in citadel's music

[hushed steeple]

I do wonder if sky music also have some hidden meaning buried in it... Like some kind of information in music's spectrogram

[hidden marsh]

hello!

[faint warren]

I do love the leifmotifs

[hidden marsh]

what's a leifmotif?

[magic stream]

I do wonder if sky music also have some hidden meaning buried in it... Like some kind of information in music's spectrogram
@hushed steeple if its actually true, thats some spy level difficulty

[gray bridge]

it's like a tune that is associated with a certain idea

[hidden marsh]

oh I see

[faint warren]

a recurrent theme throughout a musical or literary composition, associated with a particular person, idea, or situation.

[gray bridge]

yeah !

[faint warren]

According to google

[gray bridge]

oh yea the sneep emote do have the same leitmotif as the orbit music as well

[faint warren]

You know, the main theme leifmotif for example, you can hear it when you fly to the temple of Isle, when a big manta carries you to the temple of prairie, somewhere in the racing music of Valley

etc.

[hidden marsh]

mhm mhm

interesting that sneep is tied to orbit

[faint warren]

Yeah

I wonder why

[hidden marsh]

after we're reborn there is an animation where we get up kinda like we were sleeping

sorry I'm new to lore and my brain is fried if this is just superficial

[gray bridge]

it's fine

[faint warren]

I'm kinda new to lore as well

[hidden marsh]

it's fascinating tho

I love that it's so open to interpretation

[faint warren]

Yeah, same here

[magic stream]

interesting that sneep is tied to orbit
@hidden marsh maybe Orbit mean to be the place to rest? 😅

[hidden marsh]

ö

[hushed steeple]

Watching skylore discussion while enjoying a bucket of popcorn is like I'm in heaven

[hidden marsh]

just like orbit

in other storytelling things tho sleep and death and rebirth really go hand in hand in hand

[gray bridge]

yep!

ah man i really want to make a doc to compile all the leitmotifs, they could mean a lot of things to story

[magic stream]

I saw a video, I think on youtube...that when we flying to orbit (the moment when we encounter spirits & friends) we actually can sing along the woman voice singing

[hidden marsh]

I would totally read it

oh yes I've heard her

[gray bridge]

aurora!!

[sly kestrel]

Yep u can sing along, I thought it was a cute feature

[hidden marsh]

is it weird I sometimes refer to Eden as a she

[gray bridge]

i've never heard eden referred to as a she but i think it's fine

there are weirder things out there in sky community

[hidden marsh]

:0

why

like the smell?

ohhhh

must be real good cheese

[orchid crypt]

i don't know about you guys, but i like my cheese with less krill in it

[magic stream]

is it weird I sometimes refer to Eden as a she
@hidden marsh I think we currently doesnt know if there are genders in the sky world...or is it?

[hidden marsh]

I haven't really given anything else a gender

it's the same idea as if people refer to the ocean or ship or weapon of war as a female

although I'm not sure where that idea came from

[trim fog]

does everyone realized that we can't see our capes while flying or is it just me?

[gray bridge]

like our skykid can't see the cape?

[trim fog]

oh boi just like peter pan

[sly kestrel]

That and a technical limitation
Adding shadows is a lot of effort and would cause more lag and a lot of work would be needed, so they decided it’s not necessary to do all that for a detail so little

[hidden marsh]

anybody wonder why a lit candle is always shown before rebirth after the credits roll?

[orchid crypt]

it's pretty thematic for the game, but exactly what it means...that's probably quite open for interpretation

the main thing i noticed was that it showed no signs of going out, so it clearly wasn't the "end"

[sly kestrel]

The whole sky universe is inside that candle

[magic stream]

Hmm, i wonder...and that is the red one

[sly kestrel]

Jk idk
But to me, it did seem important so I guess we have to wafo until we get future answers

[orchid crypt]

it's a red candle as well, so maybe it's alluding to the fact that our quest to bring light to the world continues? since that's the candle the sky kids use to light up everything

[magic stream]

This make me wondering why is the red candle is red? All the red things in sky usually pretty dangerous to us tho

[orchid crypt]

most of the candle wax we collect is from red candles though

colours don't really have one fixed meaning, like red can symbolise both "danger" and "passion" in some cultures, while blue can be calmness/depression

[magic stream]

Hmm, maybe...because of @hidden marsh mention about red candle in the cutscene it keep me wondering what the importance of the red candles

[orchid crypt]

like i said before, read too much into it, and you'll soon be looking at moths offering their red candles as being similar to alerted krills

[hushed steeple]

Red is auspicious in most eastern traditions

[gray bridge]

the red candle at the end is possibly your candle (the one you pull out from your chest)

[hushed steeple]

Btw guys

What is the flying part in this mural

[hidden marsh]

at the top?

[orchid crypt]

you mean that thing above the big building?

[magic stream]

The very top one?

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[hidden marsh]

isn't it Eden?

or above eden

[magic stream]

I doubt it is Eden

[hidden marsh]

sorry I was referring to the castle in the sky

[orchid crypt]

if that big building is meant to represent eden, then i imagine a place higher up than it would be orbit/the place about the sky

[gray bridge]

the big palace in the middle is probably wasteland, so the top is eden

[hushed steeple]

No

It's forest temple

I guess

[sly kestrel]

na

[magic stream]

Maybe when the Forest before downfall there is a structure above the cloud?

[hushed steeple]

The mural is in forest area

[sly kestrel]

The forest temple isn’t the main one on the mural

I actually got sort of a clue on this mural

But it will only spark up even more questions

[hidden marsh]

the silhouette is closer to the wasteland temple, isn't it?

[gray bridge]

yeah, forest is more triangular

[hushed steeple]

Wasteland temple has three large turrets

Or king shaped things

[sly kestrel]

Look at the building before the wasteland temple

[magic stream]

Wait i need to look at other mural about the temples

[gray bridge]

here ya go

[sly kestrel]

The building before the wasteland temple, It has the same architectural motif as the one in the forest mural
I got this from reika

I lost the pic tho

Holdup

[magic stream]

Hey, thats actually looks pretty much similar as the mural 😮

Then, it actually wasnt Forest temple then

[hushed steeple]

I still think it's forest one because of the two tower thingies on either side of the temple

[magic stream]

Wait ill go to the Forest and see the actual building

[sly kestrel]

Chilli

[gray bridge]

could it be a...

[hushed steeple]

Nani

[gray bridge]

power diamond factory??

[sly kestrel]

No

[gray bridge]

aw :^(

[sly kestrel]

The factory is the one before it
And the one at forest

[orchid crypt]

"the ruins do mimic that motif" -- sounds like that screenshot building is imitating what's in the mural, rather than the other way around

[bold locust]

That must be a place where the creatures stocked their light

[sly kestrel]

No

[bold locust]

Maybe for the warriors to resplenisn themselves?

Alright

[gray bridge]

wait which mural are we talking about again

[sly kestrel]

Roblox pfp

[bold locust]

Yes

[orchid crypt]

the mural found in the underground part of hidden forest near the beginning

well, inside the water tunnel rather

[hushed steeple]

I want to go to golden wasteland rn but ima get yeeted 75%

[bold locust]

Forest

[hidden marsh]

this motif is repeated a lot in forest so we can compare that to the mural

[orchid crypt]

i feel like that general pyramid/spire structure is used a lot in their architecture

[bold locust]

Yep

[orchid crypt]

same kinda reason i can't really tell apart the dawn/prairie/forest temples from the outside at a glance, if you ignore their locations

[bold locust]

In every building motifs there are almost always towers on each building

[hidden marsh]

I think there was some concept art making distinctions between realm architecture lemme see if I can find it

[orchid crypt]

oh that's interesting, the shift from the bird of light motif to the king symbol

[magic stream]

If we took refference from this mural...its seems to more resembling Wasteland Temple

[hushed steeple]

Yes

[hidden marsh]

Wasteland, vault and eden

[gray bridge]

yeah same i like it too, the shift slowly goes from bird to temple and then ** K I N G**

[orchid crypt]

it's not a perfect match, which is what's confusing about whether it's actually any of the exact temples being shown

[hidden marsh]

the shift in power is tied to advancing technology

[orchid crypt]

it's missing the king star at the top

[hushed steeple]

It could be forest temple before being ruined

[hidden marsh]

it's missing the king star at the top
@orchid crypt it's possible that Eden didn't exist when the mural was created, based off the assumption that dawn is the oldest realm

I mean not Eden but the big uhh star like u said

[orchid crypt]

yeah, but that'd point towards it not being the wasteland temple if that's the case

[hidden marsh]

are we talking about the temple on the top?

[orchid crypt]

the big building depicted here:
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/731395941915033670

the silhouette doesn't perfectly match the mural designs from the opening or the ones we see in the dawn temple

[hushed steeple]

50+ msg .....

Are there any traces of the white trees in wasteland btw

[orchid crypt]

the fact that they didn't draw a door on it implies there's probably some artistic interpretation going on assuming it's a temple, but it having some rough resemblance to a few of them doesn't help with identifying which one it is if it is one of them

there's a large hollow tree in the graveyard

[hidden marsh]

your forest mural is closest to the wasteland temple depicted in the dawn temple mural

the bottom temple in the picture above

[hushed steeple]

And another thing about the arch below

The arch in the mural

[hidden marsh]

which one?

[magic stream]

I just realize, if we assumed that the building in the Forest mural was Wasteland temple (which is the most one resembling the mural), then the clouds in the mural doesn't match the Wasteland location right?

Didn't Wasteland located on the ground?

[orchid crypt]

that would be assuming those are clouds and trees, instead of something like chimneys and smog

[hushed steeple]

Don't you see a face?

The arch below

[orchid crypt]

that wasn't visible in any of the screenshots above, good catch saath

[magic stream]

Don't you see a face?
@hushed steeple where is it?

[hushed steeple]

It was ini jayproffesor's screenshot

I went back to check it

If we took refference from this mural...its seems to more resembling Wasteland Temple
@magic stream here. Sorry for cold ping

[hidden marsh]

the arch looks pretty similar to the arches in Forest

[orchid crypt]

hmm...those are boats with butterfly jars

[magic stream]

that would be assuming those are clouds and trees, instead of something like chimneys and smog
@orchid crypt hmm, there aren't any chimney like structure in the Wasteland right?

[hushed steeple]

And if they're chimneys

This would be hard to explain

[orchid crypt]

yeah, i don't think there are now that you mention it -- mostly noticed fluid pipes

there's also the fact that if this is depicting golden wasteland, i don't think they'd have any use for butterfly pots -- they seem more like they'd be using the powered diamond/whatever it was that the forest elder constructed

[magic stream]

I just took this, I think this temple wasn't the temple in the mural

[orchid crypt]

it doesn't really match up with the water tunnel one, yeah

i see fallen trees, but i'm not sure i see any spire-like structures nearby on the sides

[hidden marsh]

@orchid crypt yep about not needing butterfly pots esp with another diamond press or whatever in the krill pool at wasteland

[orchid crypt]

i'm not sure daylight prairie would entirely make sense either with the tree-like depictions there, though at least the butterfly jars aren't out of place

the shape of the building doesn't match up very well, but the idea that makes the most sense to me at the moment is that it's showing spirits ferrying jars of butterflies to hidden forest to make powered diamonds, or something of that nature -- the mural was drawn underneath a drained dock

the arch might be that structure we see in hidden forest's social space, but still no idea what that structure at the top of the mural represents if this is how we're meant to read it

[bold locust]

By the way what is a powered diamond

[orchid crypt]

the first thing resembling one that you see is the thing that the forest elder forges with the blame you bring to them -- in an older version of the cutscene, it's made more clear that that's the device that powers the circular machine which opens the door towards valley of triumph

[bold locust]

I assume it's the thing the Forge elder crafts

Oh alright

[orchid crypt]

i think the large red thing at the end of eden is also considered an unstable one

not sure if the diamond-shaped crystals you have to light up on doors count

[magic stream]

The only place with so much similar structures with Forest is Wasteland...and if we assumed the place that depicted in the Forest mural was indeed Wasteland temple...then maybe this structure is the one on the very bottom of the mural ( some kinda gate?)

The only missing link with this assumption is the 2 other structures beside the main Temple on the mural.

We can even find some transport boats at the Graveyard area

[hushed steeple]

There are also remains for the two blocky things in wasteland temple now that u mention it

[magic stream]

Blocky things?

You mean the trees? Or assumed to be trees

[magic stream]

Or...what if that trees on the mural wasn't actually trees at all...the way they're in some row formation & seems almost exact height thickness and etc

It is remind me of bridges like structure in Wasteland area

[hushed steeple]

But again the jellyfish confuse me

[magic stream]

There are also remains for the two blocky things in wasteland temple now that u mention it
@hushed steeple like i said earlier, if we assumed this theory is true...that 2 structures were only missing thing from Wasteland

I can't find any similar structure

[orchid crypt]

there're mantas on the left side of the mural as well

there's always the chance that golden wasteland used to look quite different in the past, but there're some things that definitely seem a bit more like hidden forest on that mural

[magic stream]

What if there are once all creatures at Wasteland like in any other realms? Wasteland was a beach area, that isnt strange to found some Jellyfish...like the Forest area

It is just my brain assuming and connecting possible things

[hushed steeple]

What I meant is

They lined up like those what lead you to the temple in forest