lore-discussion-spoilers

[mortal viper]

Hence the red light

[orchid crypt]

anything emitting energy like that has to be hot if we're going by real life physics

[mortal viper]

Exactly

[orchid crypt]

on a bit of an unrelated tangent, i looked up the opening again after clueless mentioned the king being amongst the fallen stars in the opening: it starts out with the caption of "With the stars united, our light was infinite // But darkness came, and the stars fell" -- notice that there're lines connecting the 6 constellations to the central figure at first

[mortal viper]

So that would be the king

[orchid crypt]

but then before they fall, all the lines recede and they disconnect...makes me wonder if there was some kind of discord or unrest amongst the elders prior to them actually falling to the clouds

[cold steppe]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/726150631160545311
here's a convo from a week or so ago about it!
it's super interesting to theorize about the murals

[round musk]

I think they just became selfish and didn't want to share their light with each other any more

[mortal viper]

but then before they fall, all the lines recede and they disconnect...makes me wonder if there was some kind of discord or unrest amongst the elders prior to them actually falling to the clouds
@orchid crypt i think it could be possible

[orchid crypt]

oh, the child of light thing is definitely interesting wren

[hushed sable]

The king in that mural is giving me Deity vibes

[cold steppe]

since that convo, Ash confirmed that the king is still in game, just not exactly what the king is

we were discussing the child of light in the convo, but with the new info, it could possibly be the king

[mortal viper]

Though i am more curious about what this darkness event may be

[orchid crypt]

there's also the fact that our in-game friends list may possibly be eden's constellation, which just gets even more confusing

[hushed sable]

Wait... we keep talking about the king like he was the cause for the fall and storm...

[mortal viper]

It is

[cold steppe]

the favorite friends list was the eden constellation that was repurposed

[mortal viper]

there's also the fact that our in-game friends list may possibly be eden's constellation, which just gets even more confusing
@orchid crypt we see it as the last constellation in the vault cutscene

[cold steppe]

right now we have confirmed:
Child of Light (possibly multiple? the devs changed from singular to plural sometimes in the livestreams, which confused Hage and Mochi and all of us)
Eden elder
King

[round musk]

I think this would be a good time to bring up how the friend constellation is now officially titled "The Light"

[orchid crypt]

yeah, i think we talk about the king like he's the cause of the downfall because of some of the stuff we've seen in the concept art -- we might be heading in the wrong direction for what's actually canon now

[cold steppe]

I don't like it

[sand abyss]

[cold steppe]

it's confusing for new players who will need to go to Eden to get the elder gifts

[hushed sable]

What if it's the reverse?

[short owl]

One of the two needs to change. Don't particularly care which tho

[cold steppe]

it could indicate that the favorite friends constellation definitely is the Eden constellation

[round musk]

What's this new info you're talking about?

[cold steppe]

I was referring to Ash definitely confirming that the king is still in game

[mortal viper]

Whatever it is, all this talk of fallen and Eden really bring me the feel that they did something to upset the light, brought the darkness upon themselves and then fell in disgrace

[short owl]

In which case, we are the Eden Elder, despite the difference in species

[orchid crypt]

there're statues in the golden wasteland that seem to resemble the dusk king's design from the concept art

[cold steppe]

well, the king at least

[orchid crypt]

oh wait, or are we assuming the eden elder and the king might be separate entities?

[short owl]

Or... Maybe we're the beginning or replacing Horizon's leadership?

[cold steppe]

we don't really know for sure

what is Horizon

[mortal viper]

Whatever it is, all this talk of fallen and Eden really bring me the feel that they did something to upset the light, brought the darkness upon themselves and then fell in disgrace
A lot like christian lore of the fall of man and lucifer from heaven

[hushed sable]

Yes> oh wait, or are we assuming the eden elder and the king might be separate entities?
@orchid crypt maybe??? Probably not?

[short owl]

I call the land of sky Horizon

[cold steppe]

oh
it's slightly confusing

[short owl]

Cause it's where land and sky meet

[round musk]

I like it

[short owl]

I can't just call it Sky! That's so much more confusing!

[cold steppe]

it's nice, but I think the official name is Sky though

[hushed sable]

I feel like the king is either like adam or jesus of we're comparing to christianity

[short owl]

Am I talking about the sky sky? The game? Orbit which is in the sky? The world we run in?

[round musk]

Well the official name might include Orbit for all we know

Orbit kind of represents the sky

So I agree that the physical world of sky could be called Horizon

[cold steppe]

from the website

[orchid crypt]

i'm alright thinking of the main world as "Sky" due to all the clouds floating around -- orbit definitely feels like...more out there in space

[short owl]

But Sky is the name of the game, so it works if the name of the kingdom isn't Sky

[round musk]

It's the kingdom in Sky, which could include the parts of sky that aren't the kingdom

i'm alright thinking of the main world as "Sky" due to all the clouds floating around -- orbit definitely feels like...more out there in space
@orchid crypt I suppose that makes sense

Now that you mention it, the realms all represent different kinds of sky

[orchid crypt]

hang on, really weird tangent thought: do we ever run into clouds in the golden wasteland after falling through the cyclone?

[hushed sable]

Yes

[round musk]

Yeah in forgotten ark

[orchid crypt]

oh right, that throws that line of thought out the window

[mortal viper]

We have to get into a flying boat to get there tho

[hushed sable]

The stars fell down out of space to sky so it makes sense that orbit is in space

[cold steppe]

other than that, there's not really clouds

you have to rocket to get to them

[mortal viper]

I feel from that part of the game we already reached the mountain to eden

Just not the dangerous part

Like, the bottom of it, perhaps?

[cold steppe]

I'm not 100% sure about the geography of Sky

[orchid crypt]

i think it's the plains right before the mountain, yeah -- all we do once we get to vault is ascend

[cold steppe]

but it looks like Wasteland could be the base of the mountain to Eden, which also contains Vault

[round musk]

It's weird to think that the underground area in forest is technically part of the sky...

[hushed sable]

Around a big mountain will typically be some hills or smaller mountains

[cold steppe]

temple of Wasteland is the very bottom
ascend the stairs to Vault
ascend Vault to Eden

maybe

[hushed sable]

We do go up an elevator in vault

[mortal viper]

This looks like the most linear part of the game

In geography I mean

[hushed sable]

So eden is the at the peak

[cold steppe]

possibly

[round musk]

Based on the size of the mountain, it must be a pretty tall set of stairs that leads to the base of vault inside the mountain

[cold steppe]

from a linear view of geography, it appears to look like that

[hushed sable]

I know there's a map somewhere in the pins from the concept art

[round musk]

Vault is not that tall in the grand scheme of things

[cold steppe]

we also go up a mountain in Eden

the entire journey is uphill

the mountain view of Eden from a distance looks like the castle ruins that could either be the place above the point of no return or the area leading to orbit

[mortal viper]

I think the area leading to orbit is a bit higher

[cold steppe]

true

[mortal viper]

We can see the diamond from distance

[cold steppe]

it looks more like the point of no return area

[mortal viper]

Yes

[round musk]

Seriously tho look how huge the mountain is. I think there's a lot more distance than we think between the end of wasteland and the base of vault

[cold steppe]

that's assuming Vault isn't set inside the mountain itself

[hushed sable]

From the concept art

[cold steppe]

ah, the concept art

[round musk]

Even so there's a ton of distance to cover just to get that far into the mountain

[cold steppe]

it's technically outdated and not canon

[mortal viper]

It looks to me that part of Eden fell to the ground all things considered. Or a part of it was literally blown halfway to orbit

[hushed sable]

Can still be useful for reference, help us get an overview

Yo, like a valcano

[orchid crypt]

i'm not even sure if the part of eden we play is the absolute summit, considering that we walk quite a ways into a hallway after the last krill

[hushed sable]

What if there was so much condensed light there it litterly blew up

[cold steppe]

and there's also whatever there is on the way to orbit

we also might not be getting exact perspective

[mortal viper]

What if there was so much condensed light there it litterly blew up
@hushed sable it does feel like it

[cold steppe]

game mechanics vs lore maybe at that point

[orchid crypt]

yeah, i've always assumed that the ascent was mostly metaphysical, seeing how there're aspects from all parts of the game there in some way

[mortal viper]

Yo, like a valcano
@hushed sable the first time I went to eden I really thought it was a volcano

[magic stream]

after eden, the messed up vity that we flying around on the way to orbit... itsstill part of eden right?

[orchid crypt]

the architecture during ascent makes very little sense relative to what we actually saw at eden

[mortal viper]

Especially because of all the flying rocks that kept hitting me in the face

[hushed sable]

Orbit is beyond eden (?)

It's more like heaven

Eden is still in a "mortal" plane. You die and litterly go towards the light

[orchid crypt]

orbit's beyond eden, yeah, but there's still the ascent, which is what we see as we're flying up after helping up the child of light

i think we were told that some parts of the vault climb were something akin to a dreamlike state, where everything looked much grander than it actually was -- to me, ascent is that on a much bigger scale

it looked far too symbolic for me to think that we were flying through the physical parts of eden after the red crystal

[magic stream]

ah, so it is called the ascent

[orchid crypt]

i think orbit refers specifically to the area where you get the ascended candles, though i wouldn't discount the area where you're collecting candle wax from the spirits either (that's...definitely not in the atmosphere anymore)

[hushed sable]

I thought orbit referred to the ball of light with everything around it

The part where you collect the ascended candles is inside of that?

[orchid crypt]

i'd assume so, that's where we wind up after seemingly flying into it

maybe not "physically" there either, but it seems to be the gathering point for all souls

[hushed sable]

The ||office|| when you first enter has that ||pool of light that with the mantas that represents orbit||

[orchid crypt]

i've yet to explore there, someday

[cold steppe]

the "mantas" are most likely the megabird

not mantas

[hushed sable]

i've yet to explore there, someday
@orchid crypt yo ditto... I did see something interesting in the beta leeks

[cold steppe]

no beta discussion here

[hushed sable]

Not gonna say anymore than that

the "mantas" are most likely the megabird
@cold steppe the spirit mantas?

[cold steppe]

in the pool

I have a picture somewhere, one sec

[orchid crypt]

forgive the offtopic, but i just realised the irony of "servers being down" being the literal equivalent of "grounding a sky kid"

[cold steppe]

these

it's probably the megabird

[orchid crypt]

the thing as a whole being the megabird?

[cold steppe]

yeah

[hushed sable]

The big one has to be the mega bird

[orchid crypt]

the smaller components, i'm not sure if those are mantas or sky kids actually...but i guess the design doesn't match up

[hushed sable]

The smaller ones look like mantas to me

[cold steppe]

the concept art sounded more cultish about the megabird

[hushed sable]

Ah there's a boat in there

This pool is really interesting. The glyphs are so different from all the other ones in the game

Here's a boat in another glyph

[short owl]

An upsidedown boat

Hmm

[near garnet]

I think the drawing represent for their ship got sank

[hushed sable]

Wait that's the little guy doing in the boat on the bottom left? Is that a sheild?

[near garnet]

Wait that's the little guy doing in the boat on the bottom left? Is that a sheild?
@hushed sable a spell to purify something like in the cutscene

Also the isle elder wearing a mask has a boat shape

[hushed sable]

Huh

Do you think the elders where ever truly physically present in sky -- to the spirits? Or just their "shrines"?

If they were physically present that opens a lot of different things

[round musk]

I think it's stated that they exist in a state outside of space and time, so probably not

[near garnet]

They lived once ago, with the spirits. Theres a reason they called elders not god or something

Like the wasteland elder, in the cutscene of thr temple, u see him jump down and in the ready position, still holding his spear and shield

He fought with krills

[round musk]

Those are symbolic though

Also it was a civil war b/c krill could just fly right over the barricades

[hushed sable]

I feel like they were defending something

I know there's a theory they were defending the vault

Which could definitely be the case, they could also have been going to eden, before it fell

[near garnet]

Yes it's a civil war. But do u remember the stealthy survivor (black cape) she were hiding from the krills

[hushed sable]

Yes

Are you saying the krills were made as war machines?

[round musk]

The krills were created as a byproduct of diamond production

[hushed sable]

The krills were created as a byproduct of diamond production
@round musk I thought that was what the dark plants were

[broken veldt]

Uh... I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that darkness and dark creatures are natural in the world of sky

[round musk]

Creatures of light are formed from clouds and other light sources. Likewise dark creatures seem to be formed straight from the darkness.

[hushed sable]

Uh... I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that darkness and dark creatures are natural in the world of sky
@broken veldt that would honestly make more sense

[orchid crypt]

what i don't get is why the krill sound so mechanical as they fly over you -- that whirring doesn't sound like something an organic creature would make

[near garnet]

what i don't get is why the krill sound so mechanical as they fly over you -- that whirring doesn't sound like something an organic creature would make
@orchid crypt YES

[broken veldt]

What noise does it make exactly?

[near garnet]

That was i trying to say

It doesn't sound so natural

[orchid crypt]

it's this strange humming that makes you think of an energy reactor or some kind of anti-gravity device, i'd say

[near garnet]

It has blue light when searching, turns red when spotting

[round musk]

It's to allude to their connection with industry and technology. They were literally born from the waste of factories

[near garnet]

Or

[orchid crypt]

easiest way to hear it is to hide underneath one (though you'd really want to choose good cover)

[broken veldt]

But they are natural, I don't think something natural can be made in a factory?

[near garnet]

They could be a mistake creates by thosen

U even got blew away when trying to fly towards them

[round musk]

They weren't created in a factory, they manifested from the darkness that resulted from diamond production

[hushed sable]

Just curious, @broken veldt did you read they were natural from the pins? I wanna find the reference for that

So I can read more

[near garnet]

I dont trust the pins much, it's still our fan's opinions. So it best to keep thinking about it lol

[round musk]

Krill just seem mechanical because that's the form they take because of their connection with diamond production

[broken veldt]

@hushed sable I remember people talking about it and they said it was confirmed by the devs, also that darkness has always been in the sky world. If you search like a keyword you will probably find something.

[hushed sable]

I dont trust the pins much, it's still our fan's opinions. So it best to keep thinking about it lol
@near garnet k

[broken veldt]

Maybe Krills are a natural dark creature but they were changed by the spirits?

I would use the search and look for stuff, best next thing other than live streams are what Ash says and other devs

[near garnet]

Talk about wasteland, how about forest. At the entrance of the door to the temple, i looked down and sees trees and bridges collapsed

Not bc of thunder or something isn't

[round musk]

It might be worth considering that creatures in sky seem to take their form based on their environment and what they are born from. Crabs are always found in caves and other places with stone, so that might be why they look like rocks. Similarly, krill might take a mechanical-seeming form because they are born around factories

[broken veldt]

I really want to confirm that because of something from the new season but I can't

[near garnet]

I really want to confirm that because something from the new season but I can't
@broken veldt the new season i guess it's like Hawaii

[short owl]

That makes sense... What was our environment then?

[broken veldt]

Yes but there is one detail there about crabs that really interests me, though I can't go into full detail

[short owl]

The peaceful space of Home combined with a reaching out?

[broken veldt]

We came from the sky

From space

@near garnet basically what the new area confirms is that crabs act differently depending on their environment which will suggest that creatures will also physically change depending on their environment

[near garnet]

We're born from the star, at the beginning. We've been created by someone, and our task was to bring the lost stars home. all along the path, we also borrowed stars as the thing to keep us flying and also a storage to give back the fallen once

@near garnet basically what the new area confirms is that crabs act differently depending on their environment which will suggest that creatures will also physically change depending on their environment
@broken veldt they pretty aggressive tho

Some were nice, most of them doeesnt

[short owl]

Gah pls no spoil new season

[near garnet]

I say the crabs, they always are

But in the office, they were pretty nice and cute

[short owl]

Also the narrator said they "reached out to us", which suggests suggests that we were already down here

[broken veldt]

But we were sent down to complete a mission

[short owl]

||Office crabs|| are aggro too tho

[near garnet]

||Office crabs|| are aggro too tho
@short owl nah, we are aggressive, some people just go in the room and do the big honk

[short owl]

@broken veldt I think our internal light child was, but not the dark person who does the running around and rescuing

[broken veldt]

@near garnet crabs attack on their own too without the need of us honking

@short owl there is a thing in office, I think it talks about how we are stars or something but I know the theory about us being stars is all over the place. That's our body

[round musk]

I think our physical form is just an extension of our "inner light child"

Our body disappears when we ascend to Orbit

[broken veldt]

Because it stays in the eye of Eden when we die

Or at least that's the last time we see it until we are reborn

[mortal viper]

the architecture during ascent makes very little sense relative to what we actually saw at eden
@orchid crypt a little late to this topic, but what if the ascent is happening inside the diamond?

[round musk]

That would make sense, considering we fly up a beam of light similar to the one shooting out of the diamond

[mortal viper]

My thoughts exactly

[round musk]

Another interpretation tho is that we are able to ascend to Orbit even without dying. We just are expected to die because we need to save as many other skykids as possible

Our body disappears in the cutscene after we hug the CoL, which implies that is was just an extension of our soul

[mortal viper]

To me it looks more like a fusion

especially because we get a cape

just like it would happen when we first collect a wl

[short owl]

It may be more than that though. We spend every moment in Horizon giving. Give to others. Spread your light. Rip out your lights.

If there's something that requires us to keep the light inside of us for a while (say, because we need to be made hot) , it wouldn't be until we were incapable of giving more light that we finally stay still long enough.

[round musk]

I just had a thought
I think our body is a winged light but molded into a physical form

(Going off my theory that skykids are the Eden elder)

[short owl]

Then ofc we go and give again (a hug, but still) [but also maybe our body as well? We glow so much after the hug] before we can fly to Orbit

[round musk]

I think the glow is a result of us literally becoming our entire cape

We only have one winged light, and we don't need to use it entirely as a physical form anymore, so we can use it to fly as well

Whereas before we had one winged light being used to form our body, while the rest are stored in our cape

When we ascend to orbit our body and cape both share one winged light

[mortal viper]

I get five or six bars in my cape icon

[round musk]

While you're flying to orbit?

[mortal viper]

Yup

[round musk]

That's strange. Maybe a single winged light is more powerful when ascending to orbit?

[mortal viper]

I don’t know

It’s been like this ever since to me

Anyone else?

[round musk]

I think it's the same for me too, I just forgot

So apparently when flying to orbit, a single winged light is powerful enough to allow for a physical form, body movement, and five or six bars of cape energy. Wow

[mortal viper]

Yep

[round musk]

I guess that winged light is just super anxious to get to orbit

[mortal viper]

XD

I was thinking, what if that scene is us receiving the wl from another kid?

[round musk]

That's what I've been thinking too

[mortal viper]

Pretty much what is happening to all the others we saved

[round musk]

I think that's the only viable explanation for how we're able to revive after we die

[mortal viper]

Yes

[round musk]

Maybe the other skykids we see flying up with us aren't actually the ones we saved, but rather the ones you got saved along with

[mortal viper]

I guess that winged light is just super anxious to get to orbit
@round musk or maybe when we make ourselves full light, the wl is more powerful then when kept inside the cape

[round musk]

Although why wouldn't we just be full light all the time then?

[mortal viper]

Because it might be dangerous?

Easier to lose all your light

[sly kestrel]

Maybe the other skykids we see flying up with us aren't actually the ones we saved, but rather the ones you got saved along with
@round musk we literally see them breaking out of their petrified forms tho....

[near garnet]

A dumb question of mine: i see crabs on a stick at golden wastelamd. Is there before once was a man was grilling some crabs but end up eaten by krills ?

[mortal viper]

Perhaps

[sly kestrel]

Idk about eaten by krills

But that came around season of belonging

The dad was getting food for the family

[mortal viper]

Who was he telling not to go ?

[sly kestrel]

Guitar guy

With mustache

He was the dad of the belonging family

[mortal viper]

I know

[sly kestrel]

...then why did u ask

[round musk]

@round musk we literally see them breaking out of their petrified forms tho....
@sly kestrel Is it specifically the ones we save that do that?

[mortal viper]

I got to see him as a traveling spirit

[sly kestrel]

Traveling spirits are spirits from old seasons

They aren’t new random ones

[mortal viper]

...then why did u ask
@sly kestrel i forgot to type part of the message

Hello. He does that emote when a crab he captured escaped
@hushed steeple what a drama queen!

[near garnet]

So the 2 person wearing the same red cape in red, r they couple or they twins

Just wondering

[sly kestrel]

My dinner

There’s 3 wearing red cape

Kid, big sister, and older brother

[round musk]

@sly kestrel What are your thoughts on the favorite friends constellation being now titled "The Light"?

[sly kestrel]

Dance emote, confetti, and headpat

Well remember how it has the eden crown

And when u finish a constellation it tells you to “visit the light”

[near garnet]

The upcoming ts and the boy with the earmuffs previously

[round musk]

I always assumed the light was another name for orbit

The Light = Orbit = Megabird
I was under the impression they were all synonyms

[sly kestrel]

They are all from season of belonging

None are twins

[round musk]

That's what I'm confused about

[sly kestrel]

Traveling spirits are simply from old seasons and they are an opportunity for new players to get old seasonal content sazzy

[mortal viper]

When I downloaded, the crown was different
Looked a bit more like a castle

[round musk]

Either way it would represent Eden

[mortal viper]

Yup

[round musk]

Random thought: what if the souls of spirits broke off from the souls of the elders, similar to my theory on how skykid souls are fragments of the Eden elder's soul?

I know spirits existed in sky already, but maybe they only gained souls after the elders fell

This would explain why skykids are stars in the friend constellation but spirits are the stars in the other constellations

[mortal viper]

This would explain why skykids are stars in the friend constellation but spirits are the stars in the other constellations
@round musk I was going to say it was unlikely, but this got me thinking

[round musk]

So skykids and spirits are biologically unrelated, but spiritually related

[mortal viper]

Though they could be related to those constellations due to who they worshiped/served when alive or where they spent most of their time in sky world

[round musk]

Then why were they arranged in constellations in the intro?

[mortal viper]

What do you mean?

[mortal viper]

I think of this more as their symbols

Just like the gods from different mythologies and cultures in our world have

The elder from Isle symbol is his staff

[round musk]

But these are stars that are making up these symbols, so they must be some kind of being that the stars represent

The huge star is CoL, the medium stars are the other elders, and the tiny stars are the spirits

[short owl]

Maybe what is seen as a star is more of a hub than an individual

Many stars work together to do stuff and recharge eachother. The lines would be common pathways through the hubs

[round musk]

Spirit souls had to have been connected to the light initially for them to be reconnected with it

So I wouldn't be surprised if the stars in the constellations shown here are the spirits before they inhabited human bodies

[hushed steeple]

.

[mortal viper]

As I have said before, the sky society seemed worshiped stars. Just as we have constellations associated with the zodiac, they might have constellations associated with their elders, and every land in sky focused more in one

Se people that lived in a certain realm tended to feel closer to it’s respective elder

And, when died, ascended towards it

This is my theory, at least

[round musk]

I agree

That makes a lot of sense

[round musk]

Why was there a Child of Light in the first place?

What role did he serve?

Perhaps the CoL was born to act as a sort of brain for the light

[vagrant bobcat]

Hey I'm kinda confused, what do you mean by Child of Light?

Do you mean the players? Or another entity

[round musk]

It refers to another entity who we know very little about but is confirmed by the devs

[vagrant bobcat]

Aah

[round musk]

Check the canon lore doc in the pins

[vagrant bobcat]

Thank you

[round musk]

Although according to my theory it also is the players, technically

I think the Child of Light is the essence of all skykids combined

[vagrant bobcat]

Hm it's a good theory i gotta say

[sly kestrel]

The child of light itself isn’t a theory

[round musk]

Nah nini meant my theory

I think

[sly kestrel]

But further details, we have to theorize about it
Not much speculation to look forward to

Yea Ik

[vagrant bobcat]

Yea I meant @round musk theory lol

[round musk]

What do y'all think the Child of Light was created for?

[normal berry]

Someone said that they thought the CoL was the prince/king

[round musk]

I think so too, but first he was the CoL

As the name implies, he was born from the light. But for what purpose?

[short owl]

What if the child of light was the first to come to Horizon and fall in love with the land?

[vagrant bobcat]

Idk tbh but I think there is a great connection in between CoL and the king

[normal berry]

perhaps the CoL is like our own species in it's purest form

[short owl]

They could have taken up our body to more freely interact with it, or have reached out to us when they found us while there was an opportunity to send others home, essentially sacrificing themselves for a home they loved

[vagrant bobcat]

The CoL is in a way our life form, so yes maybe our purest form

[normal berry]

I mean, after eden we do glow brightly like him, along with the freed statues

[vagrant bobcat]

Yeah

Maybe our bodies are more like the spirits as our souls are more like him

[round musk]

If skykids are the scattered bits of the king's soul, and CoL is the king's true form, then that means that the CoL is just all of us combined

[normal berry]

there is also a theory that we are/come from the fragmented spirit/soul of the king

[vagrant bobcat]

Yall are too good with theories istg

[short owl]

@vagrant bobcat the secret is millions of bad theories

[normal berry]

then you eventually get a good one

[vagrant bobcat]

Well, the king being the CoL does give more reason as to why there at so many shiny bois before the final stage of Eden

Oof i shall try to achieve thy greatness

[round musk]

That actually makes sense

[normal berry]

actually that would make sense

i think everyone here collectively assumed he was in that area during the eden event

[vagrant bobcat]

It is quite possible

[normal berry]

so it only makes sense that the majority of his fragmented soul would be near that area

[round musk]

Although it is stated that the elders exist in a place outside of space and time

[vagrant bobcat]

As he saw how it was maybe he left them shiny bois go help in the future

[short owl]

Here's one that wouldn't make it to the channel but got heavy consideration one on one: sky kids exist to take people and add them to the crystal to generate power. We think we're bringing the light home, but in reality, we're just taking who is left and adding them to the power generator.

[vagrant bobcat]

Oof

[short owl]

The Valley OOB encourages a lot of sad thoughts...

[vagrant bobcat]

I like to think that when we give our wing to them kids that the one wing is the one we get reborn with (the kid we hug) or the first light of a new player

[short owl]

In Orbit though, it feels like we have much less control or room to explore than normal

It's almost like the player is just there for the ride?

[vagrant bobcat]

True

[short owl]

Everyone who added as a reaction: this can be expanded as spirits are the people who came before us. They've lost just about everyone, and seek the elders regarding their own families.
And... They know we're trying to help rather than harm, so they try to teach us about feelings and themselves. Even doing so, they fail to teach us what we are really doing.

If all are lucky, we do wind up reuniting people with their families in the power generator, but it is unlikely we find their children.

The ascended candles we bring to them may well be made of letters to family still on the outside. Find enough, and the spirits join us as we search for them

[vagrant bobcat]

I shall repeat myself, you got amazing theories

[fresh dragon]

Do y’all think the rain in forest actually hurts sky kids

Like it’s painful

[short owl]

Probably

If sky kids run on heat, then rain would be significantly colder than they are

[gaunt folio]

Sky kids are kind of like plankton in the sense that we need light to survive and we get attacked/eaten by krill

[sacred dawn]

When is the anniversary party in office

[wicked egret]

We need a Sky kid anatomy ASAP

[vagrant bobcat]

@sacred dawn i think I starts at the same time the season starts

We do!

[sly kestrel]

Cold doesn’t affect us

I think it’s jus the rain specifically and what’s in it

[round pulsar]

Yeah

Cuz Valley is obviously cold

I mean, it’s covered in snow

[short owl]

@round pulsar perhaps, but in Valley we never stop moving and are at a high altitude. Higher altitudes have warmer snow, and motion generates heat

[round pulsar]

You’re right about the slopes, but what about the ice rink? You can swim in the icy water there without getting hurt

Maybe the reason the rain in Forest hurts you because it’s polluted

The same way the water in Wasteland is unsafe

[vagrant bobcat]

I agree with you @round pulsar , probably the pollution

As the absence of Light/warmth does not affect us

It's really only when we come in contact with something polluted

[round pulsar]

@vagrant bobcat Now does anyone have any thoughts on how the rain got polluted?

[vagrant bobcat]

Well, I think that the darkness may come in different forms

Maybe as gas, and then come in vobact with the clouds polluting the water

[round pulsar]

@vagrant bobcat Maybe it has something to do with the water cycle. Like if the polluted water from Wasteland evaporated and moved over to Forest as gas, which resulted in the rain becoming polluted

Like acid rain

[sly kestrel]

It’s a corrupted factory but

I don’t know what exactly made it polluted

[vagrant bobcat]

Well, as the devs have said darkness always existed

It nought have evolved in such such way it make it :polluted"

Thats true @round pulsar

[short owl]

What if poluted water is not actually poluted, but filtered?

Like there's something missing from the water that makes it dangerous

[vagrant bobcat]

As if it needed some regulations?

[short owl]

As if there's a micro-ecosystem in the water that makes it neutral (or compound or whatever) and poluted water is missing a light element that would make it balanced

[vagrant bobcat]

True

[eternal hearth]

These look like doors, could they be portals to the other realms?

[vagrant bobcat]

It could be very possibel that it is natural state then

[sly kestrel]

Idk about other realms

They confirmed there weren’t going to be any more

Maybe more rooms in that huge castle but not realms

[eternal hearth]

The doors could’ve been a way to get to the places like valley and forest

[sly kestrel]

Even if they did
Don’t u think they would’ve labeled it with a symbol or at least made it look like a portal

I think they are jus doors
Afterall, the wasteland castle is the biggest temple out of all of the realms

[wicked egret]

A made a quick sketch of the theory I was imagining

Skykid Anatomy

[sly kestrel]

Electric skykid ⚡️

[vagrant bobcat]

Great sketch

[wicked egret]

Leeeeeeeds

💡

[sly kestrel]

Gimme ur led’s

[misty forum]

If there is a mask on each character, then what's under it? Sorry for bad english

[vagrant bobcat]

LED KIDS

[wicked egret]

@misty forum

[misty forum]

this looks so cursed

[bleak pier]

oh dear

[sly kestrel]

Jus looks like a maskless face

Cursed is when ppl say the line between the eyes is their mouth and then they open it and....

[lyric isle]

The spirits have names now which we could get a lot out of as to the background of the realms

[sly kestrel]

Yeah

[mint iron]

I definitely like that we now know every spirits name.

[sinful anvil]

why do some spirits whose memories we need to retrieve have capes that look like ours?

[mortal viper]

Apparently it is the other way around. The kids work on a basis of mimicking the spirits, so they’re copying the spirit’s fashion

But I don’t know. This capes just seems to be part of Sky culture of as a hole

[sinful anvil]

ooh

[sly kestrel]

There’s no evidence of the spirits being able to fly so I rlly don’t kno either

My guess is that their capes were jus used for capes and not wings

[hushed sable]

There’s no evidence of the spirits being able to fly so I rlly don’t kno either
@sly kestrel there's acually evidence to suggest they don't. They have flying boats to travel around in

[strong flame]

Sorry ^^'

[nova glade]

Are spirits the same thing as children of light? Or are they completely different

[sly kestrel]

Yea but the main purpose of the boats were to transport the pots

But other boats could’ve been for their transportation so I that also makes sense

[nova glade]

Bc maybe, just maybe, they lose their ability to fly when they become adults?

[sly kestrel]

Also yes they are completely different

Totally different race

[nova glade]

Huh

[sly kestrel]

It was confirmed too

[nova glade]

So all and all sky kids are just mimicking the spirits

[sly kestrel]

Spirits, elders and skykids are all 3 different races

Yea

That’s how they learn emotes

[nova glade]

Who made the sky children? Was it told?

[sly kestrel]

Most likely the narrator at the beginning

[nova glade]

Interesting i always thought they were the same

[sly kestrel]

Nope

They won’t grow up to look like them and when the spirits were young they weren’t skykids

[forest dragon]

Question, whats the giant eel thingy that dives through the clouds at the cloudy area between valley and wasteland? Is it the same one as in the end of ||eden||? Is it some like dark corrupted version?

[lethal stump]

it’s tuna king ! it’s always the same whale

[forest dragon]

Ahh

I was revisiting wasteland and only just noticed it. Djfjsnd I should really read the lore doc

Well the lore doc is underwhelming

I thought there'd be more explanations but..f

[sly kestrel]

Nope

It’s not cuz we suck
It’s cuz the confirmed lore is very vague and all we can do is theorize until we get more answers in the future from devs or updates

[cyan halo]

what's the link for the lore doc?

[lethal stump]

in pins !

[sly kestrel]

There’s a lot more than jus hage’s doc

Jus wanted to point that out

[ripe turtle]

I found out that in my country it was believed that the color red keeps the spirits away--

eden's red--

I wonder if thats anything related

[cyan halo]

@ripe turtle so is valley tho

[ripe turtle]

@ripe turtle so is valley tho
@cyan halo not rlly its like reddish orange

[cyan halo]

@ripe turtle so like, dark red to keep spirits away? I kinda thought it was more like a mordor/eye of sauron thing lol

[ripe turtle]

@ripe turtle so like, dark red to keep spirits away? I kinda thought it was more like a mordor/eye of sauron thing lol
@cyan halo Yeah probably because thats the color of my grandmas curtains that she said does keep em spirits away

[cyan halo]

@ripe turtle thats really interesting. Maybe there are other significances with color that are similar to more things in your culture. I definitely like the idea.

[ripe turtle]

@cyan halo thank you

[wet lynx]

Can I just throw a couple of images up here and let you guys have a look? In the middle of work but wanna share smt

[mortal viper]

Sure

[wet lynx]

Not sure if they’re of any importance lol but smt I finally found when I got my glow potions uwu

[mortal viper]

the flags?

i think the last one is just to signal the players where the docks to the ark is

[nimble siren]

i always figured they were used to mark something, like hiking trails or something

[humble barn]

weapons in the battlefield have those cloth thingy attached too

[wet lynx]

Was thinking if the colours got any significance

Coz red in eden and blue in wasteland

But I guess it’s just design

[lost hull]

Wait there’s a red cloth hanging right above the whirlwind in wasteland

[wet lynx]

Sooooo

Red for landmarks(?)

[chilly jewel]

I can't find anything about this, is this yellow pot part of a seasonal emote or sorts?

[wet lynx]

And blue for weapons

Beta stuff

[lost hull]

Maybe red is sort of like a check point

For the spirits back then

[nimble siren]

i believe the yellow pot is left over from the really old builds

[wet lynx]

@lost hull that makes sense, thx

[lost hull]

@wet lynx yee

[chilly jewel]

Is that the only red scarf BTW?

Was thinking since it's pretty windy and it's cuts looks liek a Cape, it also might be a spirit's Cape that was blown away maybe?

[mortal viper]

hold on

let me check

Ok i’m back

[lost hull]

Ooh maybe there was an invasion and spirits used the red cloth to mark where they’d been

[mortal viper]

So it seems the flags in GW changed colour to blackish. The ones on top of Eden Gate are also blackish.
And then there are two red ribbons, tied at the sides of the gate

[lost hull]

So both Golden Wasteland and Eden are the only places that have these ribbons

And both are there only places where wars and corruption took place

[vagrant oyster]

Hello! I don't really check this channel often but are there any recent theories?

[mortal viper]

I am just about to drop a few

[humble barn]

flags can be seen in the valley too; blue and red

[mortal viper]

So both Golden Wasteland and Eden are the only places that have these ribbons
@lost hull I didn’t check all the other realms, but from what I recall, the only other place with flags is the valley

So, I was going through the pinned messages to check what we have so far and a few things caught my attention.

1. It is mentioned that crabs have a walking cycle. What if they are machines?
2. The skeletons in the Graveyard look a lot like turtles’ skeletons. At least the skulls do.
3. From the concept arts, I think those giant pillars in the Battlefield are the King Statues Ash mentioned.

[humble barn]

1 -> possible 2 -> It's confirmed that the skulls in the graveyard are designed based on a turtle skull 3-> Apparently yes

[mortal viper]

Just so people don’t have to look the pins

[woven perch]

there's a piece of concept art somewhere that calls them "dusk king statues" so yes, they're of the king

[ripe cloak]

Those pointy things are barricades, right? To stop ships from landing on beaches?

[spring blaze]

for me the way creatures move depends on their element. light creatures and dark creatures act differently
light moves more smoothly, flowy and natural. their nature is to heal (ex. butterflies and birds, mantas in forest)
meanwhile dark creatures act more jittery and machinelike, complete opposite to the way light creatures move. their nature is to harm (crabs and krill attacking light creatures and us)

[mortal viper]

Those pointy things are barricades, right? To stop ships from landing on beaches?
@ripe cloak or people/horses/cars/tanks from crossing

[orchid crypt]

krill are...interesting in that they fly pretty smoothly, but they have really jittery insectoid movements on their legs

[mortal viper]

Not to mention the way they move after loosing us

[spring blaze]

the machinelike things abt krills is their movement patterns (returns to their route after going off trail), the sounds they make, cracking their bodies and suck

such

[orchid crypt]

i remember seeing someone mentioning that crabs will seemingly chase after dropped winged lights sometimes instead of attacking the player -- maybe rather than "harm", the dark creatures instinctively go after light out of greed/hunger?

though i suppose crabs still look pretty angry when they turn red right before charging after you

[spring blaze]

even if they do chase after light they still harm

[hushed sable]

They seem attracted to light. Maybe wastland is so desolate because they are up all the light there

Although the crabs like dark dreary places

[orchid crypt]

yeah, it's just more a question of whether their motivation is out of something like hatred or hunting instincts

[exotic shuttle]

skykids chase after light creatures too. the difference is we're nice to the light

[orchid crypt]

i think sky kids just might like creatures in general, considering we can pick up flipped crabs without doing anything more to them

[hushed sable]

This isn't quite a discussion point but it made me really sad. The crying guy buried his friends in the cave...

All the headstones are broken off the tops though

i think sky kids just might like creatures in general, considering we can pick up flipped crabs without doing anything more to them
@orchid crypt honestly the light creatures kinda seem attracted to us too

[mortal viper]

Yup

[orchid crypt]

yeah, especially considering the butterflies respond to deep calls

[mortal viper]

But they also approach if you have spent energy. Mantas will do the same in the Forest.

[sly kestrel]

Pretty sure it was a girl

[hushed sable]

Pretty sure it was a girl
@sly kestrel maybe. I met a guy in sky using his cosmetics. know lots of guys in rl with longer hair like that length. It's honestly impossible to know for sure

[forest dragon]

So whats the deal with power diamonds/darkstones I keep hearing about?

[hushed sable]

Dark stone and power diamonds are very different things

The theory with power diamonds is that they're made in a factory (see the forest "temple" & wasteland) and creating them caused a lot of pollution. Also the power diamonds are on every level of the game. Vault being the most prominent

I think earlier today someone suggested the big diamond at the end of eden was created as well

Atleast that's how I understand it...

[forest dragon]

Wait there was a diamond in eden?

[orchid crypt]

that's what a lot of people believe the big red thing in the last area is

this thing

[rare field]

Funny I was just going through the cannon lore doc

Under "Observations Not Canon From Devs" tho

Me, finally going through everything in this channel for the DND race: I don't need sleep, I need answers

[hushed sable]

Also found this in the official lore doc: The forest temple door implies (but does not confirm) they cut down trees and combined them with light from pots to make darkstone/power diamonds

Under the observations section as well

Me, finally going through everything in this channel for the DND race: I don't need sleep, I need answers
@rare field
DND race?? What's that?

[rare field]

DnD- Dungeons and Dragons
I haven't found anyone make a skykid race yet so I'm finally speed reading all the lore

[hushed sable]

Oooohhh, let me know how that goes. Sounds like fun

[rare field]

Is it somewhat confirmed that the realms are the same place at different times? I feel like they're different territories, since they appear together in murals (intro and isle of dawn temple mentions)

[orchid crypt]

people have put forward that theory, but i don't think there's much evidence really supporting the idea that it's all one place rather than different spots at the same point in time

in particular, think of how different the geography of wastelands and eden is

[rare field]

Ye
I just hit that point in the theory doc and saw them debating about it and bringing up the "same place, different time" thing

[hushed sable]

I don't think that theory has much weight either. It is interesting to think about though.

[rare field]

Yeah it's brought up like it's fact

[orchid crypt]

it's an interesting idea to play with, but i think it falls apart once you take into consideration that hidden forest and wastelands are comparatively flat, while valley of triumph goes on a pretty sharp descent

i don't think the elders or the spirits had the power to change the shape of the land like that

[rare field]

And Prarie is v island-y

[hushed sable]

Also every building in every level is in varying states of ruin

[orchid crypt]

isle of dawn and daylight prairie might've been where the idea came from, since in both levels, you sort of have to climb up to a temple that's relatively higher than the rest of the level, before flying through the clouds to get to the next area

[hushed sable]

Also the "factory" in forest and wasteland

[sly kestrel]

Oooohhh, let me know how that goes. Sounds like fun
@hushed sable if u want the full explanation jus ask

Wait wrong quote..

but I heard u talking about the power diamond thingy and jus wanna let u kno I have the full details on it

[hushed sable]

I just know what's in the doc, what what I've read of it in the discussion

[sly kestrel]

I’m jus sayin the doc doesn’t explain the power diamonds as well
And discussion about it from earlier doesn’t quite explain it either but okay

[hollow pier]

They confirmed there weren’t going to be any more
@sly kestrel devs said it wasn’t likely but still possible; re: new realms

Well, as the devs have said darkness always existed
@/Nini thats not what the devs said, they said that there’s an ecology of light and dark, but not whether it’s a naturally occurring one
Edit: that nini left the server sorry for pinging the wrong nini

[teal sage]

why can i swim in forest water but the rain hurts me?

[orchid crypt]

entirely conjecture here, but perhaps it's got something to do with how you're wet and exposed to a lot of air, so that's cooling you down quite rapidly (i.e. not good for body temperature/flames)

we're fine with swimming in waters that aren't too cold since we're keeping ourselves warm and presumably insulated to some degree being in the water, but being wet and exposed to a lot of wind is seemingly worse

...the analogy with human anatomy works up to there, though the idea of "fire being submerged in water" is something i've got no answer to

[hushed steeple]

Study this area, you will get it

[magic stream]

Im still wondering about this mural story

[hushed steeple]

It requires vault of knowledge

[magic stream]

Did you mean it is related to Vault of Knowledge lore? You made me more confused 😅

[hushed steeple]

👀 play long enough, you will understand.

[magic stream]

I wonder if im actually will understand it someday 😅

[potent gate]

you can learn the lores in pinned messages as well!

[hushed steeple]

I wonder if im actually will understand it someday 😅
restudwikurnianto#5567 if you do it scares the life out of you

[teal sage]

so i'm reading the osaka fan meeting transcript, is there a reason why there is no glass in the world of sky?

[spring blaze]

maybe its resource/gameplay related?

plus it doesnt really seem to fit the aesthetic of the game

[teal sage]

also, the concept art is god-tier

[wise storm]

I’ve been playing for more than half the year and understand nothing other than screaming helps other kids

[teal sage]

@wise storm yeah u just rapid fire tap on ur kid when u need help

[wise storm]

Tunnels in for assist

But no that I’ve written it... why does voice help to recharge? Interesting that while we seem to be light based sound can also help to recharge.

[teal sage]

maybe we're releasing light as we call?

[wise storm]

Kind of like the bells? I’m only curious as to what is inside the kids that creates this force of light as we do

[teal sage]

do bells help recharge? can't remember

[wise storm]

Nope. They don’t. But when they’re rung they will produce the same light aura, as do mantas/spirit mantas when they call (although you don’t have to specifically be doing the manta call to recharge others)

[sly kestrel]

I never knew I would walk in a discussion about screaming

[teal sage]

it might just be a game mechanic to encourage cooperation, but it could have implications in lore

idk

[wise storm]

Just wondering how much of a role sound plays into lore

But scream on.

[wise storm]

Also that it’s strong enough to flip crabs over at its highest setting, hmm. Whatever this implies... I only wish it means if we have enough people screaming at krills it would repel it from attacking. Though krills have that same aura just a second before diving for attack. Maybe just a game mechanic and I’m thinking too much into it

[magic stream]

Im imagining if there is a krill call, lol that would be scary 😅

[wise storm]

Crabs would be the only creatures that don’t produce an aura with their attack/action. Maybe because they don’t have souls.

[frozen pivot]

I mean krills werent supposed to be krills they are now until the disaster fell, they got corrupted

Theoretically

[wise storm]

If it is indeed intentional I like the implication that we’re theoretically from the same source, including krills. Maybe crabs are simply a native species to the land? Like organically there.

[frozen pivot]

They are organic, atleast thats wat the murals in ark cave symbolizes

They came out of the ground after their water got drained out

[wise storm]

Oh gross q n q make them go back in

[frozen pivot]

Lul, theyre cute tho

[wise storm]

I still sort of think sky children are simply vessels considering how we can get wl knocked out of us with enough force... but I’m kind of making it up as I go

[frozen pivot]

Anyway, there couldve been more neutral creatures other than crabs but it got wiped out with the disaster

Tho this is just speculation based on the flowers i saw earlier in prairie

And crabs couldve just been corrupted aswell thats why theyre hostile to light like krills

[wise storm]

If they’ve been living underground I imagine they’d be sensitive to light

[spark bramble]

Crabs do have little pebble things on them that look like the pebbles that go on the kid after they get Eden’d, so maybe that corrupted them?

[frozen pivot]

Well ye that too

[wise storm]

Fungus... maybe...

[frozen pivot]

Nop, i forgot wat they call it but its the same 'dandruff' that falls off the krills

Kinda like residue or ash

[wise storm]

Ooooh I didn’t know this. That’s super cool info. So maybe that’s the explanation for the why krills sound like glow sticks when they’re cracked question I had.

[frozen pivot]

Btw we both have pfp from the same thing

[noble ferry]

wozwald?

[frozen pivot]

Yes

[wise storm]

It is a sign.

I vaguely remember those weird pebbly/ash textures being on emote spirit statues as well before being freed... wonder if they’re freed because we relieved their memory, or because of the fire from our candles

[copper hatch]

I think these are like mould, bits of darkness that's dripping or growing on the attached body

[sly kestrel]

Well u see these black flakes and black texture on u when ur dying right?
What if the krill and crabs are slowly dying?

[copper hatch]

I think they are possessed by darkness

[wise storm]

Parasitic darkness...

[copper hatch]

Ah yes, that's the idea

[wise storm]

Sappy thought but imagine if companionship, love, and light is what wards this away and that’s why we can free them

[frozen pivot]

Does the same happen if u die via rain in forest?

[wise storm]

I think I just turn white like a bleached blanket and go get my pity light from Go but I might remember wrong.

[copper hatch]

never seen anyone die in rain there, maybe can try after an eden run 😛

Probably that would just make you cape-less instead of dying

[wise storm]

Vaguely remember a whoosh sound as the fire goes out but yeah I... haven’t actually died in months discounting Eden

[frozen pivot]

If theres a source of corruption where u die, then theoritically u will die covered in ash cus it couldve grown on to u

Tho idk if that happens with rain so thats still just a random idea

[wise storm]

Has anyone died in golden wasteland waters if we get ashed?

[frozen pivot]

I saw a vid of it tho i dont remember correctly wat they died to

But theyre trying to be capeless so they did that

[sly kestrel]

I tested it, u guys were right
The black flakes are only an eden thing

[nova tiger]

BLAKE FLAKE

[wise storm]

Oof thank you for your valiant sacrifice...

[sly kestrel]

If u die anywhere else like forest rain, wasteland water etc, u jus lose ur cape

BLAKE FLAKE
@nova tiger shush 😂

[nova tiger]

BLAKE FLAKEJSJDSJD

[wise storm]

What’s a Blake... flake

Is it like a cornflake

[sly kestrel]

I accidentally typed it when I meant to put “black flakes”

And autocorrect was to blame too

But I edited it dw

[sweet dirge]

Blake flake

[sly kestrel]

OK POINT ISS
The black flakes are only there when u are dying in eden but anywhere else u simply jus lose light and enter the hidden realm thingy

[frozen pivot]

So it really is the ash rain in eden then

[sly kestrel]

I’m tempted to call it the upside down

Either that or jus simply darkness
Remember, eden is the most corrupted place out there

[sage isle]

This is probably dumb.

No, no!

I was gonna say, does anyone else think the elders were once sky children.

[sly kestrel]

Nope they confirmed they are different races

[sage isle]

Rats

[frozen pivot]

So that could mean that, there was a wider ash rain that covered the entirety of sky, but that would be unlikely cus theres some spirits that died while in shelter

[sly kestrel]

They won’t grow up to be elders and when elders were young they weren’t skykids

[frozen pivot]

So the mystery remains

[sage isle]

So, in the sky universe, the world is supposedly ending right?

[frozen pivot]

I have this idea that since the cotl king was canon, then the elders couldve just mimicked how the spirits looked to fit in

[wise storm]

Sorry what is cotl qvq

[frozen pivot]

Was gonna go for the biblical theme where the angels were banished from heaven then got morphed into hedious beings as they fell but meh

[humble barn]

@sage isle the civilization ended, the world apparently didn't, but corruption remained

[frozen pivot]

Children on the lake

Cotl

[sage isle]

@sage isle the civilization ended, the world apparently didn't, but corruption remained
@humble barn so, what's going on with Eden? I remember one theory that a diamond exploded? Idk

[frozen pivot]

Welp its as jay said, its the most corrupted place so that means its the epicenter of the corruption

[humble barn]

@sage isle diamond explosion is a plausible theory because it seems the diamond is still exploding and Eden is most damaged

[sage isle]

Ahhhhh

Alright. Alright. I see now

[frozen pivot]

its all coming together

[humble barn]

we don't really know what's happening but I think those child statues in Eden imply the kids were trying to stop the red diamond

When they or we make it the game ends (just my theory )

[sly kestrel]

Going by what Mochi said I think the eden kids were a different race of skykids before us
Perhaps with a different mission, perhaps they were skykids sent to stop the diamond but after that failed, we got sent to recover what was lost (the elders) and to return the light to the fallen kids

[frozen pivot]

We didnt make it either, we just saved the statues and we died too

[sly kestrel]

Also it’s crazy that kids were sent to do horrible missions like this...

[frozen pivot]

Thats interesting

So basically were soldiers of the light

Not children

[sly kestrel]

I mean

We are children nothing can take that away

We start off as kids and since we don’t have a natural body, I don’t think we can age

For example, we don’t grow hair or grow in height naturally
we use spells and wear cosmetics from dead people

[frozen pivot]

Are the size altering spells canon tho?

[humble barn]

I personally believe the kids statues are same kids as we are. The horrible mission it is, but if we are the king then we are probably just trying to fix what we have done ourselves in the past

[frozen pivot]

Cus if the size altering spells are canon then wat u said earlier could be likely, jay

[sly kestrel]

No I’m talking about jus the idea of it in general
We don’t have natural bodies

[frozen pivot]

No the one where theres children sent with a different purpose than ours

[sly kestrel]

We can’t grow hair, get fat, get taller, get muscular, get old , etc
We jus got stuck with one form, a child

Oh that

Yeah, thas an old theory I had

[hushed steeple]

10000 years old spirit stuck in a child

[frozen pivot]

I mean, if there were kids existing with the spirits before they all died, then the spirits making resize spellls for the children wouldnt be impossible

[sly kestrel]

I’m a bit confused on them too actually, lot of unanswered questions
Where are the details on the child of light and why are his/her imprints the same lights we supposed to “return to the fallen”

Wow that sent late

[frozen pivot]

I type slow kek

Thats still relevant anyway

Maybe its just the purpose that differs

[sly kestrel]

Even tho I do believe they are the same as us, i noticed that they seem a bit bigger too
And they can ascend as stars
So this is where I got the idea that they are still skykids but a different race of skykids

Like

Skykid 1.0
And we are skykids 2.0

[humble barn]

since they/we are the children of light and the child of light, their/our imprints belong to them/us

[frozen pivot]

Like, were all in these concentration camp where whoever gets chosen to do this purpose then they get yeeted, then watevers left will be reserved for when another purpose is needed

[sly kestrel]

This got dark

[frozen pivot]

I cant word it better

[hushed steeple]

or probably they're volunteering

as tributes

hunger games intensifies

[frozen pivot]

whoever wants to this, honk twice

[sly kestrel]

I mean idk
Remember the famous line “wake up child, bring our lost stars home”
I don’t think it’s us volunteering, I think it’s the narrator telling us what to do and we are simply jus listening

[frozen pivot]

Yep, im partly correct with the conscripts

Anyway, maybe the 'lost stars' the narrator refers to are the ones that failed

They could ascend because, well their job is finished, although they didnt succeed on it

[sly kestrel]

Oh they confirmed it was the elders

[frozen pivot]

Nvm then

[humble barn]

not really

the stars fell in the cutscene are confirmed to be elders

[sly kestrel]

I’m sorry I didn’t mean to crush ur theory

[wise storm]

Sent to complete their mission...

[sly kestrel]

Ye the 6 stars that fell were confirmed as the elders
Thas what I meant

[frozen pivot]

Thats just me, going 'ooh this goes here, oh that make sense' so not really a theory

[wise storm]

Completely not lore but I’d fall out of orbit for the valley and wasteland elders

[humble barn]

My theory says the red diamond is somehow hindering the natural cycle of life-light, and fixing it is an important part of fulfilling our mission, to "bring our lost stars home"

[sly kestrel]

Is that a sky version of saying “I would die for you”

[wise storm]

I would break my cycle of rebirth just for you

[frozen pivot]

Thats romantic

[humble barn]

don't you rather wanna stay in orbit with the elders

[frozen pivot]

forest elder

[sly kestrel]

It hurts when ur active in 4 discord servers at once

[frozen pivot]

U have ur way of flexing weird jay

[sly kestrel]

Forest elder is taken, sorry sir

[wise storm]

From the scene that plays it seems like I dissolve back into the source of the beginning... I rather own an individual form and go... find them...

Source... sauce... creation soup

[sly kestrel]

I mean u technically do

U save them

How are we supposed to save em if we don’t interact with them in the first place

[wise storm]

Fingers crossed for more canon lore content... I gotta run but thank you everyone for all the insight and input. It’s been eye opening

[lethal stump]

i hope sanctuary gives us lore content

[strange vale]

Can we spoil here?

[broken veldt]

You can talk about anything, just not the upcoming season, only after it goes live

[strange vale]

Ahh

[gray bridge]

• as long as it could be related to lore i guess

i wonder what the story will be about for this season though! a sanctuary is a place for people in hiding/seeking shelter

[broken veldt]

I have a theory but it gets hard proof from the upcoming season, gonna have to wait

[hushed steeple]

8 is a spoiler.

One vague answer why we can't krill oreo

[spring blaze]

because its mean

and oreo is a real dog

[lethal stump]

no krill the bb

[hushed steeple]

Oreo is another thing if you look deeper.

Hint: 8

[wise storm]

Summon Jenova’s dog and you’ll strike the lottery?

Huh I took a look and he really is

8 years old

And 4 lbs

I still want to strike the lottery Oreo please come to me in my dreams

This aside I doubt they’ll be increasing the number of players in the instance for every year Oreo gets older.

[spring blaze]

yeah oreo is just a cute easter egg

hes not related in any lore

[wise storm]

We all missed his birthday by the way. It was March 29. I have failed Oreo the fourth wall god.

[spring blaze]

[hushed steeple]

wait for the new season. You will see it.

[lethal stump]

i tried getting better picks of the runes on Vaulty’s headgear
also of the runes in the projection

use this as you will

ill probably try and write the runes out in a more readable way later on

(i had 100% graphics for this so that they’re the best they can be)

[sly kestrel]

We have em pinned already

[short owl]

Important question: why do mantas leave spirits alone?

Clearly they previously didn't, but sneak and brave are in full view

[sly kestrel]

Well why would they approach the spirits

They’re dead..

[short owl]

Would they leave spirit mantas alone then?

[sly kestrel]

I’m confused what ur asking

[mortal viper]

talking about spirits, who is the daily quest spirit?

[hushed sable]

I have a theory!!!

[sly kestrel]

Spirit mantas don’t rlly exist
They are part of the vault simulation and wasn’t supposed to be real creatures

[hushed sable]

Ok ok, so the things stored in the vault, you know how they are activated by light...

[short owl]

So Krills like to attack things of light (and you when you are out of light?)

[sly kestrel]

They attack everything

Except other krill

[hushed sable]

What if they project things. So the mantas are just projections of light (so the kids can still interact with them)

The other ones must have projections of the history etc.

[sly kestrel]

Oh they do, and their concepts state that too

The lanterns are like projectors and that’s where the knowledge is shown

Only thing is, us skykids don’t rlly kno how to use them

[hushed sable]

So in a sense they are just a memory , because they don't currently exist

[sly kestrel]

Nonono the ascent part is where they memory/dream/simulation is at
But the knowledge that was stored by the scholars in the lanterns is all real

Basically a library

[open bridge]

Hey guys, what exactly do crabs mimic?

[mortal viper]

rocks?

ok, my next stop will be GW to study crabs

[open bridge]

Lmaoo

[hushed sable]

The way they start up and charge makes me think of those little toy wind up cars

[hushed steeple]

mmmm

[mortal viper]

ok I'm back

[hushed steeple]

they dont walk sideways like crabs in real life do

they waddle

[mortal viper]

they walk in circles, mostly

[hushed steeple]

and then they turn into a rock

yeah and they walk in circles

[mortal viper]

spining anticlockwise

[hushed steeple]

so uh im confused

what kind of animal or thing even does that

ok so they are probably robonoids

[mortal viper]

yeah

[hushed steeple]

like those in steven universe (except they dont kill)

unless they hit you too many times

[mortal viper]

XDDD

[humble barn]

sky mantas fly in circles

[sly kestrel]

“A fun crab lore fact: there's a specific reason for the way that Sky's crabs walk the way they do. their walkcycle mimics something... ”-Ash

“Ok are their legs mimicking something, or is it their whole body”-Me

“Its the walk cycle, but what that mimics is also relating to what the crabs are, technically. How crabs are born/made/created/come to be. What are crabs 🦀”- Ash

@open bridge This will give you a better view of what she was talking about

[mortal viper]

they sometimes also move in a way that looks like the infinite symble

[hushed steeple]

yes. but the way sky crabs move compared to real crabs is unnatural

[sly kestrel]

We gave up after a while

[hushed steeple]

if it doesnt resemble life, its a robot

[sly kestrel]

Apparently it will connect to who they are and how they’re made

But we never got a single clue after that

[hushed steeple]

yeah that made me more confused

[sly kestrel]

.....how is it a robot

[hushed steeple]

they act like robonoids to me

o_o

[sly kestrel]

Doesn’t match the theme of sky to add robots but who knows
U could b right

[humble barn]

we actually got a crab cave with lots of mantas painted on the wall

[mortal viper]

oh no

[sly kestrel]

Oh yeah that story
Yeah only one thing I got from that story, mantas used to have a heavy population in wasteland back then

[hushed steeple]

Doesn’t match the theme of sky to add robots but who knows
U could b right
@sly kestrel ive come to the realization that this game is a VR world

[mortal viper]

XDDDD

[hushed steeple]

LMOAOOOOO

i just started watching that breh

[humble barn]

i think vault is vr but other places are meant to be real

[hushed steeple]

check at vault. notice how things seemed powered by a central source (at the top of the elevator). its highly likely that the mantas in that level are projections

yes

and the bones? seriously why would FLOATING BONES be real?

[humble barn]

those are candies

[sly kestrel]

Only the ascent in vault is whats not entirely real

[hushed steeple]

Vault is VR, the elder knows shes in a game, and ||we're screwed|| (jk)

||it would be terrifying if the elder was self aware oh my god-||

[sly kestrel]

The elevator at vault supposed to be a simulation to teach us skykids about the history of the world before we enter the “brutality of eden”

[hushed steeple]

each level represents the kingdoms one by one

[sly kestrel]

Yeah

I’m getting this info from the live-streams btw

[hushed steeple]

it starts getting more and more complex as we go which probably meant the world was getting to problematic to handle

i read this theory from the wiki

heh

[sly kestrel]

The theory is called “heh”?

[hushed steeple]

nO-

[humble barn]

does wiki cover theories now

[hushed steeple]

well, no

[sly kestrel]

I hope u don’t mean Wikipedia

[hushed steeple]

i just saw that each level represents each kingdom in the vault of knowledge page

no the sky wiki

[sly kestrel]

Yeah they do

They confirmed that

Long time ago

[hushed steeple]

hmh

ye

h

[humble barn]

so it's canon

[hushed steeple]

uh huh

[sly kestrel]

So what are u trying to say?

I thought u were gonna send the “heh” theory

[hushed steeple]

I thought u were gonna send the “heh” theory
@sly kestrel no. i was just elaborating on vault

[sly kestrel]

Also the elevator tech on how we float
It’s powered by a power diamond, a common tech used by the sky kingdom and also the downfall of the civilization

[hushed steeple]

wait a minute... if the lore in game is supposed to be ancient... and if vault is VR then...

im never going to vault again...

[sly kestrel]

No not the entire vault

[hushed steeple]

oh wait

the end of vault

at the eden gate

THAT is real

but thats a tiny portion of vault

[sly kestrel]

Ok think of it like a library with a fun activity for kids in the middle (elevator)

[hushed steeple]

yeah ik

but im skeptical of the elder now

:C

[sly kestrel]

And then the archives is the employee room which customers can’t enter

[short owl]

Hexbugs. Crabs are absolutely hexbugs

[hushed steeple]

LMAOOOO YESSSSSS

[lethal stump]

crabs going in circles remind me of that big golden spinny thing at the end of forest

[sly kestrel]

Is ur pfp....a recycled egg?

[short owl]

@sly kestrel a reusable egg

[sly kestrel]

Reverse card egg 🤜🏻

[hushed steeple]

so uh... how long did the war on wasteland last

[sly kestrel]

We dunno

[hushed steeple]

we can infer

[humble barn]

how

[short owl]

I bet it wasn't that long

[sly kestrel]

Well we come into the world yearssss and years after the extinction of everything so it’s a bit hard to do that

[hushed steeple]

check out the weapons

they dont seem pulverized

[sly kestrel]

How are weapons going to tell how long the battle lasted

[hushed steeple]

flags and banners seem only a bit torn

ships were broken down but not too much

[humble barn]

it only suggests when it ended

[hushed steeple]

the catapult still works

[sly kestrel]

I think ur overthinking this
All of that ruin is bc the sky kingdom is very old

[humble barn]

not when it started

[hushed steeple]

the war wasnt too long

[sly kestrel]

Whether it was short or lasted a hundred years, the point of the story is simply that a war started

[hushed steeple]

yeah

[sly kestrel]

⚔️

💎 ⚔️ ☀️
Inside joke

[hushed steeple]

the reason for war is kind of obvious but im not sure what they were fighting

[sly kestrel]

All we can do is theorize and I have my own but as of right now, we don’t have clear answers

[hushed steeple]

i know

most of sky is shrouded in mystery

so we need theories

[sly kestrel]

We all have theories

[short owl]

They were probably fighting eachother about Eden

[sly kestrel]

There’s no point in writing down every single theory we have, plus we have 100k in discord

[hushed steeple]

there was this one theory i saw earlier on this chat that the war was between people who want to keep using power diamonds or people who want to use an organic source of light as an alternative

im sticking with that

[sly kestrel]

Yah

Wait what

How did u find that

That’s long ago

[hushed steeple]

yeah

i still remember

[sly kestrel]

Hm

I don’t remember you 🤔

Well, u sorta got the idea

[humble barn]

im still stuck with king vs rebel theory

[sly kestrel]

Yep

[hushed steeple]

my long term memory is weirdly specific and my short term is really bad idk

[orchid crypt]

there's visual evidence suggesting that in wasteland: there're two shield patterns there, with one depicting a sun and one depicting a diamond

[short owl]

If you had an opportunity to send people who were desperate to go home (and may well have been sick) home, but the technology had the potential to create... Well Eden... What would you do?

[hushed steeple]

im still stuck with king vs rebel theory
@humble barn king as in elder or...

[short owl]

Both those who would be helped and harmed are your friends and neighbors.

[humble barn]

@humble barn king as in elder or...
@hushed steeple corrupted eden elder

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple corrupted eden elder
@humble barn r u saying theres two? and corrupted guy??

[humble barn]

@humble barn r u saying theres two? and corrupted guy??
@hushed steeple that's wasteland elder

[sly kestrel]

Here’s the main idea
The sun shields were against the abused power of the diamonds and supported the natural light instead of this corrupt system
Not jus the diamonds, the whole kingdom, they were all corrupt and followed the Kings command, the sun shields were the rebellion against them
And of course the diamond shields were the soldiers supporting the new kingdom and the power diamonds

[hushed steeple]

ohhh okok

sun shields???

where did you find that?

[humble barn]

battlefield

[hushed steeple]

ohHHHHHHHHH

tHOSE SHIELDSSS

oh yes

[humble barn]

also in wl temple and eden

[hushed steeple]

so a rebel group led with a sun insignia led a rebellion again their own homeland that has been corrupted by excessive power using power diamonds

reminds me of steven universe ngl

Where do I find the full story of ancient civilization of sky?? Especially in wasteland.

[sly kestrel]

Another thing
Wasteland elder started off supporting his kingdom using the diamond shield but he then started to realize he was wrong and joined the others using the sun shield
He used the diamond shield in the murals and constellation but as u can see in the temple, he switched

[hushed steeple]

Where do I find the full story of ancient civilization of sky?? Especially in wasteland.
@hushed steeple vault elder cutscene

[sly kestrel]

Uhhh not rlly

We don’t have the full confirmed answers for everything

[hushed steeple]

thats the most we could get idk...

[sly kestrel]

Mainly jus theories

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple vault elder cutscene
@hushed steeple but it's very small not everything is clear.

[sly kestrel]

U could try reading the pins and u will get info there but thas about it

Like I said, we don’t have simple confirmed answers like that

.....maybe one day

[humble barn]

we meed official sky novels

[hushed steeple]

we need a studio ghibli film of sky

[sly kestrel]

We need the narrator to come back and finally tell us everything
We are grown up now

[hushed steeple]

yes

yesyeseyseyseysyesyeyseysyeyseysyeyse

[sly kestrel]

Instead of “if only they had listened”

[humble barn]

Phoenix

[hushed steeple]

those were the elders talking

[sly kestrel]

Nope

[hushed steeple]

at the beginning

no?

[sly kestrel]

The elders were the fallen stars the narrator talked about

[hushed steeple]

oH

damnit i mix up

[humble barn]

elders were they who didn't listen

[hushed steeple]

wait

[sly kestrel]

most likely the people too

And the king prolly influenced them as well

[hushed steeple]

wow damn

[short owl]

I don't thinj the elders can be the fallen stars thougb

[sly kestrel]

“Hey lil guys, come be my supporters
We have a world to rule 👑”