lore-discussion-spoilers

[round musk]

Well there's a lot of light in Vault though

Despite it being the night realm lol

[twilit current]

Well, wasn’t the vault sealed off from the rest of the world for awhile?

[vague plover]

wait what was the question are we talking about just the vault or

I think so

[twilit current]

If the dark plants spread like normal plants, could they not have had time to spread into the vault yet?

[round musk]

We're just talking about places dark plants don't grow

[vague plover]

Yeah that would make sence

[round musk]

Ok I just came up with a theory about this

[twilit current]

Let’s hear it

[round musk]

What if dark plants are only present in realms that actively participated in diamond production?

And in Eden the red stones are dark plants that have been affected by the storm

[vague plover]

Hmm

[twilit current]

That could be something

[round musk]

The red stones are dark plants that were condensed into pure darkness

[twilit current]

But why is there red crystals falling in the last part of Eden?

[vague plover]

I thought the red rocks were something blown off from the eye of eden but I could be wrong.

[round musk]

They are iirc

Basically I think they're pure darkness in a mineral form

[twilit current]

Ok, i think I can I see what you mean there

[round musk]

Dark plants aren't fully dark b/c they trap light, but if the light were to be removed, maybe they'd condense into a basic mineral form

Plants are something inherently associated w/ light, so it's possible dark plants only take that form because of the light trapped inside them

[twilit current]

I think it would also be pretty hard for normal dark plants to grow in Eden because of the strong wind

Assuming they grow like normal plants

[round musk]

Oh yeah I didn't think about that

Even if they don't grow like normal plants they still need some kind of holdfast

[twilit current]

That’s true

[round musk]

I think we solved this mystery

[twilit current]

Noice

Anything else you want to discuss then?

[round musk]

Have you seen either of the two theories I came up with recently?

[twilit current]

No I haven’t haha

You’ve caught my interest though

[round musk]

Well let's discuss the second one about spirits being partially light beings

[twilit current]

Ok, so what would a light being be considered as? Is it what the Sky kids are?

[round musk]

Light creatures/beings are basically any species in sky born out of the light

[twilit current]

Ah ok

[round musk]

So that does include skykids

[twilit current]

Carry on

[round musk]

There are these cave murals in isle

They show stars/lights falling from the sky, being collected by the people on the earth and then being brought to the isle elder, who then sends them up to the sky

At least that's my interpretation

[twilit current]

Ah the first ones

[round musk]

Well all of them really

[twilit current]

I’ll have to look at them again

[round musk]

I'll send em

[twilit current]

Coolio

[round musk]

I sent them in the wrong order so view from bottom up

[twilit current]

Haha it’s been so long since I’ve gone through the isle are these in the cave of the pointing spirit?

[round musk]

Yeah and the top one is the no thanks spirit

[twilit current]

Oh ok

[desert sun]

wow! totally forgot about those ngl

[round musk]

You can actually only see them the first time you live the spirit memory

[twilit current]

Same here haha

Oh oof

That’s probably why I don’t remember them

My first play through was almost a year ago now haha

[round musk]

So my theory is that these murals are symbolic of the isle elder's job: to guide the spirits to Eden

[twilit current]

To Eden or to orbit?

[round musk]

Both

[desert sun]

both

[twilit current]

Oh ok

[desert sun]

if isle elder simply acted as a guide then that would explain why there is no hint of civilization in isle

[round musk]

Basically my idea is that the falling lights are actually heavenly souls being showered onto the people and fusing with them

[desert sun]

doesn't explain the presence of murals doe

[round musk]

Well people would have hung around and explored

Maybe made some cave art in the process

[twilit current]

Well, I think that the people that lived in the Sky world just liked murals

In the forgotten ark, the murals would have to have been painted after the ark crashed

The ones on the boat shows how it crashed

So unless they can predict the future it would have to follow that timeline

[desert sun]

yup we watch the spirits draw on the broken ark

[twilit current]

Ah right

[round musk]

So back to my theory: humans (spirits) are confirmed to have already been on earth when the stars fell, which would make them neutral creatures (neither light nor dark)

[twilit current]

Yes, that makes sense

[round musk]

And yet their spirits give you light and can ascend to orbit even after death

[twilit current]

Well, all the spirits we’re shown seem to be at least decent people

[round musk]

So my idea is that they didn't use to have souls, but they were bequeathed with souls of light when the stars fell

[twilit current]

Yeah? So they’re kinda like vessels for the light then

[round musk]

When they were alive, yes

Now they are basically just light creatures

The only thing that puts a wrench in this theory is that a whale is seen ascending to orbit, and whales seem to be neutral creatures

[twilit current]

Hmm well, if a creature is neutral, would it be able to choose for itself wether it leans towards the light or dark?

[round musk]

Good question

[twilit current]

All the spirits we see are good from what I remember

Surely the population of humans weren’t all fantastic people?

That is if they’re based off us haha

So maybe a whale could specifically choose to be a good whale

[round musk]

That would make sense

[twilit current]

I definitely wouldn’t want to run into an evil whale though 😂 Krill are bad enough haha

[round musk]

Yeah that would be terrifying

[twilit current]

It would be considering we see it knock down parts of buildings

[round musk]

I did have a theory that whales are actually light creatures, but they stopped sharing their light due to being hunted

[desert sun]

i think we just gotta say that as long as you arent dark/impure then u cant ascend

which is why we burn the darkness in spirits

🤷‍♂️

[twilit current]

Ah fair enough

That’s an interesting take

[round musk]

And maybe whale bodies are similar to crab bodies, cause those are the only two (possibly) non-neutral creatures w/ physical bodies

Other than skykids

[desert sun]

regarding the neutral creature theory, i was told to look at darkness/light as more of a spectrum, as i krill being on the far dark while crabs are less dark and closer to neutral

a physical body with darkness properties

[sly kestrel]

The way I saw it, the crab is a neutral butttt, it has the ability to take light, it’s more of a physical creature
Light can be taken by hard force

[desert sun]

its dripping with darkness doe

[sly kestrel]

Maybe that’s how the charge works, it’s not the darkness that’s taking it, it’s the force of the charge

U right u right

[round musk]

Well it's about intent

Crabs want to take your light

[twilit current]

There are murals in the ark area that point to the fact that crabs weren’t always hostile too

[round musk]

Oh yeah I forgot about that

[sly kestrel]

Well look at it like this
All humans are neutral creatures but, some are bad and want to hurt ppl
That’s basically crabs, they are born as neutral but have the intent to hunt for light

Though I am a bit confused about the dark particle thingy they have

[twilit current]

Fair enough, a crabs gotta eat somehow

[sly kestrel]

A little hole in my theory

[round musk]

It's worth noting though that every single crab in the present sky world is hostile

[desert sun]

well everything that's associated with darkness has the dripping dark particles so either crabs are
""corrupted"" by dark in some way
or they are inherently dark

[sly kestrel]

Also, it’s also worth noting that the crab’s existence in certain realms could jus be Bc they traveled and snuck in dark places in those realms, I don’t think it necessarily means a crab’s presence means place of corruption

Kinda like how a spider can sneak in a holy temple

It can be a good place but it’s also possible for a dark creature to enter

[round musk]

Maybe we can tie crabs into my spirit theory; possibly crabs used to be neutral, but then were imbued with souls of darkness

CRABS ARE THE ANTI-SPIRITS

[twilit current]

Haha fair enough. How do think this could happen though

?

[sly kestrel]

Also I am jus theorizing about this new crab idea today so I haven’t put much thought into the stuff I said

Time to make docs

[round musk]

Haha fair enough. How do think this could happen though
@twilit current Well spirits just kind of fell on humans and became their souls, so I guess there doesn't have to be a reason why crab souls rose out of the darkness

Maybe souls without bodies naturally seek hosts

[twilit current]

It kinda feels weird for it to just happen out of the blue

Maybe, but do the souls just all of a sudden start existing?

[round musk]

Well krill were formed out of the blue I think

[twilit current]

Hmm, I’ll have to think on that

[round musk]

I think they just spontaneously form in areas of high elemental concentration, perhaps?

[twilit current]

I feel like it might have been suddenly, but just without cause

[round musk]

Like the cave in forest probably filled up with dark rain

[twilit current]

Maybe

[round musk]

And we see lots of crabs in the sludge in wasteland

Actually I just remembered it's confirmed that light creatures just spontaneously form out of clouds

[twilit current]

That’s true. I think the placement of things can probably give us a good hint as to what they mean or represent

Oh ya?

[round musk]

So I think that answers our question: it's very possible that crab souls spontaneously formed out of darkness

And once they ran out of crabs to corrupt, they merged together to form krill

[twilit current]

That makes krill even spookier

It’s interesting to see how other people form their theories though

[round musk]

Yeah this channel is fun

[twilit current]

Yes, I’m enjoying our conversation. It’s going well for only lurking on this channel before haha

[round musk]

Yeah, you should help theorize more often!

[twilit current]

I agree with that

I’ll have to start writing down ideas so I can bring them here

[round musk]

I only found this channel like last week and it's all I do now lol

[twilit current]

I can see why

I’ve always liked reading through what people put here

[round musk]

I wonder where whale souls came from

[twilit current]

I don’t know haha

[round musk]

And how are they even able to bring their bodies to orbit?

[twilit current]

Well maybe they’re just really hardy? Like giant water bears lol

[round musk]

Well if orbit is kinda like heaven, how can you bring your body there?

[twilit current]

I don’t know. Do we actually see it go all the way up to orbit?

[round musk]

Not all the way, but when we're flying past the floating castle you can see it above you

Wait

What if the whale dies just as it reaches orbit??

[twilit current]

Far enough, but that seems to happen when your still in the atmosphere

Maybe

[round musk]

No the whale's soul goes to orbit

Its body doesn't

So basically what you don't see is a giant whale carcass fall down onto eden

[twilit current]

That would be terrifying

[round musk]

It just occured to me that spirits probably weren't reborn after ascending

They just died and sent their soul up to the sky

What did Eden do with all the bodies...?

[twilit current]

Honestly, the krill probably got them

[round musk]

Fair enough

[twilit current]

Krill are the clean up crew of sky I guess

They do too good of a job tho

[round musk]

Although they probably wouldn't attack dead bodies b/c they don't have any light

[twilit current]

Well fair enough

They could just be blown away and broken up over time.

Or they could burn up on their way down too

That’s kinda dark though

[round musk]

Do you think the spirits went to Eden to live out the rest of their life before they died, or did they go there specifically to get killed?

Sorry this keeps getting darker

[twilit current]

It’s ok haha

Hmm

I think they’re already dead when they go up personally

[round musk]

Well when they ascend to orbit they're already dead

But how do they die?

[twilit current]

That would solve the problem of falling bodies at least for the people

Well, how did all the building fall down, especially as you get closer to Eden (other than the vault)? Why is there sand and ice in the valley? There seems to be a lot of things that we don’t know

[round musk]

Well I think the buildings just fell to ruin due to long-term decay

And the snow and ice in valley I believe is because it's on a mountain

[twilit current]

Yes, but why the sand. I don’t usually think of mountains as sandy

[round musk]

I didn't know it was on a mountain until it said so on the blue light quest description

I'm pretty sure that's snow not sand

Maybe the color is just from the sunset lighting?

[twilit current]

Really? I personally think snow really behaves how the stuff in the valley does. It also seemed different from what they put in the home island near Christmas

[round musk]

Hmm... maybe snow has a different quality at higher altitudes

I honestly have no idea

[twilit current]

In real life I don’t really think it does haha. I live where there is lots of snow

[round musk]

I'm just gonna assume it's snow, because you're right sand doesn't make a lot of sense

[twilit current]

Haha sounds good. I’ll have to see if I can come up with a reason as to why it’s there

Maybe it’s blown in from somewhere else.

I’ll have to think about it more some other time

[desert sun]

i had a theory that the eden explosion was so widespread that it caused the destruction of wasteland and some of also some of valley

[twilit current]

That would make sense. And the vault would be protected because it’s built into/under the mountain

[desert sun]

haha yea at the time i made that theory i had no way to explain vaults un-touched nature but now that we can say its built into the mountain everything makes a lot more sense

[twilit current]

Forest has a large wall and temple too, so it also makes sense as to why it stops there too

[round musk]

And in addition to the direct force of the explosion, it created a shockwave of pure darkness that killed all the spirits and bound them forever to their vices

[twilit current]

And the rain would probably make it fall and erode into the lakes too

And the ones that weren’t immediately killed would end up like the group with the crying spirit in the forest

[round musk]

Imo the reason spirits are covered in darkness before we save them, despite the fact they seemed like decent people, is that they settled down permanently in their realms and didn't go to Eden to ascend

So they were bound by their mistakes, and we have to free them

[twilit current]

Maybe if they all died suddenly, they couldn’t go to ascend even if they wanted to

[round musk]

Yeah that's true

I had an idea that humans who died before they reached Eden could have their spirits guided there by their loved ones, but if everyone died at once there would be no way for them to be taken there.

[twilit current]

That seems to work. The elders probably help do that job when we actually play through the game too. It would explain why you need to take the spirits to the shrine at the end of the level

[round musk]

Yeah I wonder why the isle elder couldn't have just sent them to orbit from the start though

[twilit current]

Well, I think the elders would be weakened after their respective places fell and people stopped visiting their shrines

They’ve lost the power to light they’re own shrines and being in the dark for so long probably takes a toll

[round musk]

Oh yeah true

The elders were already disconnected from the light when the humans gained their spirits

Maybe the light beam shooting up from Eden was there before the eye was even created, and that was how spirits and creatures returned to the light

[twilit current]

Hmm ok. So how did the eye of Eden eventually get to where it is now?

[round musk]

To clarify, when I say the eye I'm referring to the giant power diamond

[twilit current]

Yes. I didn’t realize that people think it’s a power diamond

That’s new to me haha

[round musk]

I think the general idea is that the Eden elder (who no longer exists) had a giant power diamond created to harness energy from orbit directly, but it absorbed too much power and created an explosion which led to the extinction of the humans

[twilit current]

Nice, thanks for letting me know. I guess I haven’t been on enough to hear it be put together like that

[round musk]

Yeah I had to do some fishing to put all the pieces together

[twilit current]

Well, I’m glad you’ve saved me some time then haha

[round musk]

Also check the pins, you can find a ton of information there

[mellow sable]

We also know the spirits have weapons that use light as ammo

[twilit current]

Based off the wasteland elders spear?

[mellow sable]

Wasteland elder's spear shot our light like a bullet

A flare to distract krill maybe?

[round musk]

I thought that was just symbolic but that could be true

[twilit current]

That pretty cool. Definitely something to think on

[celest spoke]

Crescent or eclipse or smth visible thru cloud hole above Ark now

[desert sun]

i think its a crescent 🤔

actually im 55% crescent moon theory and 45% eclipse ngl

[round musk]

lunar eclipses look kinda red

[unborn fog]

no that s a crescent

if it was an eclipse the corona would be flaring from the sides a bit

what?

did someone say something

[round musk]

Nope I'm mature I didn't make a childish joke just now

[unborn fog]

oookay

[rotund coral]

Anyone know the bird(I think?) creature name at the rhythm season's cutscene? I don't think we ever see a similar creatures before...?

[round musk]

That's a good question, I don't know

Whatever it is it's another example of a creature of light with a physical body

[dapper pond]

I wonder if there's a specific requirements for a light creature to gain a physical body...

[round musk]

My theory is that the ones with physical bodies used to be neutral creatures (born from the earth) but then were given souls from the light

[dapper pond]

Oo, interesting theory

Huh, a question just pops out from my mind
Can a light creature merge with a neutral creature? (To gain a physical body maybe?) Or can a light creatue merge with another light creature? (Same and different kinds)

[bold grotto]

Does anyone notice the creature near the front of citadel? I’m not sure what it is but it looks a bit like a manta

[vale ridge]

The bird?

[round musk]

I think it's a snow sculpture of a bird

It's from beta I believe

[bold grotto]

Oh

I’m really confused since it’s on a pedestal thing and there is a circle in front of it? Sorry if this is a bit weird

It seems like we could do an emote or something on the circle

[dapper pond]

It was for previous mission (spirit I think?) From beta

[bold grotto]

Oh ok then

[round musk]

There's a bunch of those left over, like the pot on the first floor of vault

[lofty trench]

Anyone know what this stone is originally?

[round musk]

Huh, a question just pops out from my mind
Can a light creature merge with a neutral creature? (To gain a physical body maybe?) Or can a light creatue merge with another light creature? (Same and different kinds)
@dapper pond That's a good question. I personally think it makes a lot of sense if they can

[dapper pond]

Sky kid and manta

sky kid and manta

I want to see a mix of them

[drowsy spoke]

OOOOH

[round musk]

I have a theory that krill the result of the darkness running out of crabs to corrupt, so the dark souls accumulated and merged into krill

[drowsy spoke]

I think there was a concept art of a skykid with manta wings???

Do you think that's how they would look like?

[round musk]

So I don't see why that can't happen w/ light creatures too

[drowsy spoke]

Wait

Why the darkness running out of crabs tho?

The crabs be innocent 😦

They wouldn't hurt a fly!

[round musk]

Crabs' one motivation is to steal our light

But according to the cave murals near forgotten ark, they didn't used to be hostile

So they must have been imbued with souls formed straight from the darkness

[rotund coral]

Welp, Ruru
I guess your fan Made Character can makes sense, congrats @dapper pond

Also, hopefully we can see more of this light bird creature, unless its one of the creatures that almost went extinct

[dapper pond]

A light creature merging with a human, who is a neutral creature

It would be interesting to see a mix type creature in game though

[round musk]

Basically that's what happened w/ the spirits

According to my theory, that is

[dapper pond]

Mm, I just read your theories

It was interesting, you did a good job at theorising things

[round musk]

I wonder if cosmic whales are a result of cosmic mantas merging together

Maybe as a survival tactic to avoid getting drained of all light to power the knowledge capsules. Strength in numbers

[drowsy spoke]

@round musk Yes they will hurt skykids... but skykids are not flys

[round musk]

This is true

[sly kestrel]

We also know the spirits have weapons that use light as ammo
@mellow sable huh

[raw barn]

why aren't corrupted manta's/jellyfish a thing?

[round musk]

Crabs have physical, neutral bodies that got imbued with darkness, but mantas and jellyfish are light creatures so darkness would just cancel them out

[raw barn]

interesting

[round musk]

This is purely theoretical of course

[raw barn]

or maybe they can refract light so that's why they can't be consumed by dark matter

[sly kestrel]

Ur username 🤣🤣

[pearl void]

Anyone know what this stone is originally?
@lofty trench I'm guessing that is at the forest underground? That is power charger stone, it'll rapidly charge your cape if you're near it

[sly kestrel]

It was something from season of belonging and I’m pretty sure it was meant to be like a lantern but it got clipped into the wall

Apparently it never got fixed

Oh well

[pearl void]

I wonder if cosmic whales are a result of cosmic mantas merging together
@round musk we know that the light creatures go through evolution base on the concept art
e.g double wing, quadwing, hexawing, elder manta
Baby jelly, mama jelly, jelly king

Tho we can use your theory, to go for evolution, merging of multiple light creatures enable the evolution process

(i just put together jelly name )

A light creature merging with a human, who is a neutral creature
@dapper pond i have a name for this, this is called fertalization in modern world combine of two traits and born new entity with having both traits, nearest example is the skykid

The skykid in the concept art portray that they have both light and darkness, tho not necessarily from fertalization, skykid is refered as the descendant of the Children of Light in the concept art. light as in the power to use cape and produce light, darkness is the temple of the body itself

[dapper pond]

[raven viper]

Plot twist elders are actually evil and overthrew the king

Wreaking havoc and causing all the stars to fall

[rugged rose]

Ooohhh now that's a good plot twist

[lofty trench]

@lofty trench I'm guessing that is at the forest underground? That is power charger stone, it'll rapidly charge your cape if you're near it
@King.#7185 and @sly kestrel thanks

[rugged rose]

Wreaking havoc and causing all the stars to fall
@raven viper
Oh may I add some of mine too that might correlate to yours? The forest Elder's cutscenes looks so sad. Especially when they float the rocks and it just; crumbles. What if the forest elder felt guilty about what they've done? :0

[raven viper]

@raven viper
Oh may I add some of mine too that might correlate to yours? The forest Elder's cutscenes looks so sad. Especially when they float the rocks and it just; crumbles. What if the forest elder felt guilty about what they've done? :0
@rugged rose youre onto something big here

[rugged rose]

@rugged rose youre onto something big here
@raven viper and instead of us retrieving the light to the elders for them to restore it. We actually helping them to hide the lights.
Just my theory so this could be easily debunked XD

[raven viper]

@raven viper and instead of us retrieving the light to the elders for them to restore it. We actually helping them to hide the lights.
Just my theory so this could be easily debunked XD
@rugged rose oooo, hide the lights so they don’t have to face the same guilt 🌚🌚

[deep heart]

does anyone know why the lights we give to the elders fell in the first place? :0

[rotund cipher]

what is..?
(in the backs of skykids from camera clipping)

i do notice the other small ornament inside of the body but im more focused on the arrow and wing shaped one since i havent seen it anywhere else in the game and speculate its either an unused overlap star (for people with more stars that can fit on the cape) or just an unused star pattern for capes or back pattern design for capeless children

ive seen the two ornaments before but i never got to take a good look

[humble barn]

It should look like ＜◇＞ when not clipped, similar to the pattern on a skykid's chest and capeless back. It's something used to be visible from outside glowing like the light ball we have now

https://i.imgur.com/BbvVVOq.jpg

^like this (from pinned Sky beta history albums by Shira)

[pure root]

ive heard somewhere that crabs are actually made fron stone??? is that canon?

[spring blaze]

no, it’s just a theory

[uncut bone]

what is..?
(in the backs of skykids from camera clipping)
@rotund cipher You see the oval glowing light inside your body, correct? That represents your light. When you light a candle, you pull that light out of your body and into the candle. That's why skykids reach for their chest while lighting a candle.

[nimble stump]

Ok so I have a theory on the cutscene where a silhouette of a king was shown at the friend star constellation:

I think that the realms used to be ruled by a royal family, I don’t know if we’re going to see them appear in the game or as official art.

The said ||“Eye of Eden”|| used to be an utopia until the core of the map got corrupted by || red rocks|| (thus the reason why we lose our energy really fast if we get pelted by them)

Remember the castle ruins floating in the sky as we fly to the ||orbit||?? If the map wasn’t corrupted in the first place, it might be the most beautiful temple among the realms.

Now moving onto wasteland, a lot of us might have expected Vault to be corrupted by krills but it’s not, so I think the Vault and Wasteland elders are both from the royal court to serve the monarchs, as a warrior and the royal librarian or historian.

[uncut bone]

Would be interesting.

[nimble stump]

Instead of calling the wasteland temple a “temple”, I would call it the royal library gates

Since it’s a building to the royals, it should be heavily guarded against harm at all costs

So that’s why the krills aren’t able to corrupt the library because the gate auto shuts in a very fast speed when a Sky kid enters the library

[vague plover]

Indeed, I thinks a pretty cool theory and it could be possible in a way? I've never thought of the elders in that light.

[nimble stump]

For valley of triumph, it’s more like a realm being obsessed of entertainment and speed, instead of choosing the leader based on their ability to rule the realm, the realm has a unique method to choose the leader, that is to choose the best athlete. But the twins could hardly compete over each other in both flying and sliding race, hence Valley is the only realm with two elders

They both excel at the races till the extent that they have the same level so it’s impossible to have them to compete each other

[spring blaze]

there was a king created in the official concept arts!

[warm breach]

It's cool on how people are making theories

[nimble stump]

I still have tons lol

[spring blaze]

https://verdant-soaring.tumblr.com/post/621289785038946304/another-experimental-video-crabs-will-charge-and

til crabs can put out light in general, not just ours

[ember zodiac]

does anyone know why the lights we give to the elders fell in the first place? :0
@deep heart To connect them with the Megabird again

[fossil lark]

I am always wondering where the krills in the battle field of wasteland come from, anyone get an answer pls?

[round river]

Surging from oil

Someone said that before and even got a pic

But I forget who

[urban sparrow]

That's fascinating Ginsy!

I never knew that. I wonder if the krills are the same...

Has anyone tried setting a bonfire somewhere the the crabs / krills can see it?

It'd be useful if we could distract them like that...

Especially in the wasteland graveyard

[urban sparrow]

I was just thinking about the crabs in the hidden forest, the ones in the hide and seek spirit's cave don't try to put out the candles...

[plain osprey]

does anyone know why do sky kids wear masks? :0

[urban sparrow]

All of them do...elders, the spirits and sky kids...

[plain osprey]

so its like an aesthetic choice?

[urban sparrow]

Sorry, I haven't read any explanations about why they wear masks...so not sure. But might be related to their species

I heard people guess they might be a type of golem. I don't think there's even confirmation of what sky kids are made of...their masks are stone I believe.

[azure apex]

anyone know where i can read sky lore from very very begining?

i kind of can't following the chat

[nimble stump]

You can look through the pinned messages

[hushed steeple]

The vault elevator diamond ( the top one) is made of the same material from which prairie pots are made

[arctic edge]

They probably wear masks to cover their acne

[hushed steeple]

Skykids don't have acne tho, you can see that if you wear "no mask".
Nice joke tho

[timber geode]

@azure apex but what kind of war happened?
Did we get born trough light bc of darkness came into light and u know...?

[azure apex]

@azure apex but what kind of war happened?
Did we get born trough light bc of darkness came into light and u know...?
@timber geode that one i want to know too hahaha

[round musk]

You talking about the war in wasteland?

[timber geode]

And if war happened that means...
That there are also CHILDREN OF DARKNESS

[azure apex]

i don't read the pinned throughly

yet

[timber geode]

@round musk
We’re pondering on why and how sky kids got born trough light.

[round musk]

Oh I have a theory on that

[timber geode]

Tell us ur theory XD

[azure apex]

wow tell us

[round musk]

Skykids are the scattered bits of the long lost Eden elder's soul

Collectively we are all the seventh elder star

[timber geode]

@round musk
How did the Eden elder loose his soul?

[round musk]

He died slowly after Eden exploded

[timber geode]

How did Eden explode?

[round musk]

Well the generally accepted theory is that the giant diamond at the center of Eden absorbed too much energy at once and sent out a shockwave of darkness

Killing all the spirits in the process

[timber geode]

@round musk
Where did the energy come from?

Spirits?

[round musk]

You know that big beam of light shooting out from Eden?

[timber geode]

We’re collecting all the spirits. But all the children is stuck at the end of Eden.
Maybe they were there for an unknown reason..

[round musk]

That beam of light is a direct portal to the light, and the power diamond was created to harness energy directly from orbit

[timber geode]

Wht draws u to that conclusion? :0

[round musk]

The power diamonds were all made by the spirits and elders, and a diamond as big as the one in Eden seems like something the king (eden elder) would have commisioned

[timber geode]

@round musk
Power diamonds?
Why were they created?

[round musk]

They were made as an energy source to power the technology of the sky world

You see them everywhere

It's theorized that they used creatures of light as an ingredient for the diamonds

You can find the full theories in this doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-SOY_5WrhQ2ftVZEM9VMBsz92-n_53kBzQoHKmY2-24

[uncut bone]

Why does no one use the search bar...

[fickle tundra]

My brain is now overflowing with Sky lore and I love it

[sly kestrel]

Apparently none of mine are on there but it’s Ight

[nimble stump]

Another theory about the King is that winged light are fragments of his soul or power, if Eden exploded in the first place, he died but scattered throughout the realms as winged light

So instead of being a Sky human, he’s a giant human of light

discord light mode

The child statues at the area of no end are the fragments being contaminated by red rocks or dark forces so Sky kids have to purify them by sacrificing their own winged light

[sly kestrel]

Technically it’s not ours, it was from the child of light imprints we found around the world

[urban sparrow]

Apparently none of mine are on there but it’s Ight
@sly kestrel is it possible to include them? I'd love to read them...

Any theories about the dead sky kids? I found two today...one at home and one in the hidden forest....

[desert sun]

they aren't dead

theyre just players vibing

it's possible to glitch your way to being capeless as well

[urban sparrow]

No, it wasn't- there was no light next to this one...

I couldn't "reveal" him...

[desert sun]

they also have to "reveal" you

they didn't light your candle so you cant see them

[urban sparrow]

But there was no icon, the candle icon. You know which one I mean?

[desert sun]

mhm. it wont show up all the time

[sly kestrel]

It doesn’t show up if they are laying down

You can do that too

Press the sit button 3 times

[urban sparrow]

Aah...i did not know that!

[desert sun]

oh jay you know when you slip because you did an emote in midair? thats what that players doing

[normal berry]

also keep in mind when your knocked out like that your cape clips through the ground, making it invisible

oh jay you know when you slip because you did an emote in midair? thats what that players doing
this^^

[sly kestrel]

Oh yea that too

[desert sun]

but yes you can lie down with the sit button

[normal berry]

thats not lying down tho

[sly kestrel]

Press a still emote while jumping and then

[normal berry]

i do it all the time

[desert sun]

pressing the sit button 3 times makes you lie down?

[normal berry]

yes, but they wernt doing that in that particular photo

they are knocked out probably due to pressing an emote mid air

[sly kestrel]

We al do it do vibe

[desert sun]

o yea yea sorry misunderstood

[urban sparrow]

The hands are raised...mine are lowered when I lie down...

[sly kestrel]

Different stances

Also the slip thingy makes you have another laying down position

[normal berry]

once i did that and went afk, came back to three skykids crying over me

[sly kestrel]

Ok point is, this isn’t lore related

It’s jus a game mechanic

[normal berry]

yes back to the topic

[urban sparrow]

Sorry

[desert sun]

i have a question

how come on the way to the eden diamond where all the statues are, we see other various children statues? yet we cant save them?

[normal berry]

the ones with the crystals growing on them?

[desert sun]

yes theres some like that, and there's others thatll just crumble

[normal berry]

imo those ones are too far gone and they cant be saved anymore

like maybe if your a statue for too long you soul gets destroyed or something like that

[sly kestrel]

Actually um

[normal berry]

oh no lore time

[sly kestrel]

Those are old models from beta
Before the black particle effect, there would be blue crystals growing out of ur body when u were dying

The ones that crumble, well they look exactly like the ones I remember

I don’t know why they are still there

[normal berry]

I just assumed they were there to reference old ver

[sly kestrel]

It could be that

Cuz there’s a lot of leftover beta memories

The blue kids could be another one of them

[normal berry]

actually what bothers me is they ere there pretty recently right? the statues?

[sly kestrel]

Oh and I’m pretty sure u looked up while u were in the constellation table at orbit, u may have seen the 3 skykids holding hands

Well that icon was also something from old beta and I’m a little faint on memory but it had to do with something on how we upgrade our friendship levels

[normal berry]

so the crystal statues were there around the same time as the ones near the eden diamond

ah

[rotund cipher]

@uncut bone oh i was referring to the arrow looking symbol i know about the light core hehe

[uncut bone]

Ohhhhh.

[desert junco]

I don't know if this has been discussed before with the crying spirit but um are these stones corpses?

[normal berry]

nah

[sly kestrel]

Nope those were graves built for her dead friends

[uncut bone]

eeeeeee search bar

[blazing terrace]

I always thought they were ships even thou it doesn’t makes sense

[uncut bone]

Nah, graves

[sly kestrel]

...why

[normal berry]

hhhh

[blazing terrace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[sly kestrel]

Grabes

Grapes

[desert junco]

I don't think graves cus they're on the other side of the cave

[sly kestrel]

She moved em

[desert junco]

I guess

[sly kestrel]

3 Bc 3 friends

[desert junco]

Yeah

[wet rapids]

[normal berry]

maybe because the water was rising

[blazing terrace]

Movin entire bodies for the aesthetic

[heady sinew]

Or for respect for her friends

[desert junco]

Wait I'm thinking more into it

[sly kestrel]

Nah the bodies weren’t moved

[heady sinew]

I doubt anyone would like the graves flooding

[normal berry]

I just meant the stones

who would dig up corpses

[desert junco]

Yeah makes more sense

But if sky kids turn into stone when dying in eden....

And the statues at the end when freeing a new Spirit you haven't gotten yet look similar to our corpses

She are stone people

*we

[normal berry]

ancestors aren't the same species as sky kids tho

also those statues only appear after we relive their memories

[wet rapids]

Wut!

[sly kestrel]

It’s pretty obvious....

And they confirmed it too

[wet rapids]

?

[sly kestrel]

We are a totally different race than the spirits

[normal berry]

ancestors, elders and skykids are all different species

[sly kestrel]

We won’t grow up to be them and when they were kids, they weren’t like us

[wet rapids]

🤔

[sly kestrel]

Want me to explain it again

We aren’t da same

[desert junco]

I didn't think that the spirits were a different race. The elders is obvious

[wet rapids]

Ancestor and elders where different?

[sly kestrel]

Yes

[normal berry]

theres something about it in the pins i think

[sly kestrel]

Elders, ancestors and skykids, all different races

[wet rapids]

Hmm interesting

[sly kestrel]

Hey Alan

I like ur pfp

[round musk]

Elders and skykids are actually super similar

Imo the only difference between them is that skykids can interact w/ the physical world

[sly kestrel]

nah

Live-streams 🤜🏻

[round musk]

Think about it: they both need to be lit from within to survive

Im not denying they're different races

Im just saying that they are super super similar ones

[sly kestrel]

They don’t need it to survive

[normal berry]

they need it for power/strength it seems

[round musk]

Think about the Eden elder

[sly kestrel]

As if he was still in game

[normal berry]

also we don't know how he died

[round musk]

Also skykids and elders are the only species that wear masks

[sly kestrel]

I’m tempted to ask the devos again jus to end this

The eden elder, the king
Is he with us or NO

I must ask them

[normal berry]

nope

[round musk]

Livestream stated that he's not around to be saved anymore

[sly kestrel]

U say that like u watched the livestream

[round musk]

So he's not in the game, but he was in the world of sky

[potent nova]

I would love to see the edén version with the king

[round musk]

U say that like u watched the livestream
@sly kestrel Ok fine but I did watch one of them just not that one

[sly kestrel]

Ok what I’m trying to see is if he was ever put in the canon story of sky
If he is relevant to the lore or jus an old concept, yes I believe he is in game but the fact that he’s a concept and not something confirmed is what puts a huge hole in my theories

[normal berry]

@potent nova im sorry to say, but we probably won't

I mean the statues are still there

[round musk]

So is the vault mural

The Child of Light is a canon concept and seems to be related to the Eden elder

[normal berry]

and the lil dude in the intro with the crown halo thing

[sly kestrel]

They could be a different use or simply jus a pillar design, Bc we have no proof that those statues have the same reference to the concepts

That’s the child of light

Yes he is canon, but I don’t believe it’s the king

[round musk]

Why not? Everything seems to point to it

[sly kestrel]

ehhhh

[normal berry]

the child of light: you should see me in a crown

thats the first and last time im going to reference bille ellish

[sly kestrel]

Ok I’m not turning down king theories it’s jus that he’s not confirmed or rlly mentioned at all, what I rlly want to know is if he’s jus concept and since they didn’t answer me last time, I’m guess it’s a WAFO

[round musk]

The intro, the skykid you hug in Eden, and the inconsistencies in the livestreams all point to the Child of Light being the Eden elder

[normal berry]

they do be secretive tho

[sly kestrel]

No one said it was the eden elder

[round musk]

No one said Eden exploded and yet we all accept it

Unless it is confirmed idk

Remember, we're here to THEORIZE, so there's no point in just Waiting And Finding Out

[sly kestrel]

She do be secretive doe

I was desperate for king answers back then so that’s why I seemed a bit rude with my questions

[ancient blaze]

dang, the king really just left us for mario 😔

[sly kestrel]

Also almost every conversation I have with her I’m always like “reika” “reika” “reika” “REikaaaaa”
Cuz her name is so fun to say

[normal berry]

i do be here analyzing "he moved to mario world now" doe

[round musk]

@sly kestrel If you don't think CoL is the Eden elder, then how do you explain why the Eden star in the intro is shown as a child?

[hushed steeple]

omg now im theorizing stuff that doesn't even make sense

[sly kestrel]

U assumed it was the eden star huh

[hushed steeple]

Children of Light are dimension hoppers bruh we're getting into Stranger Things territory

[normal berry]

there may be a connection

same halo

[round musk]

Also in the middle in both murals

[normal berry]

the rest are smaller

less detailed

[hushed steeple]

what if they did some she-ra stuff and messed up the light so hard that it broke like that or there was a danger that made them exert the power so hard that it went splat

[normal berry]

however you dont actually see the CoL descend to the eden castle (like how the stars representing the other elders fell to their respective realms), so you cannot say that it is definitely the eden elder

[hushed steeple]

we don't ever get to go there tho-

[normal berry]

yeah you do

its just all broken up

but that's not the point

[hushed steeple]

we don't get to land and explore tho

[normal berry]

you can theres just not much to look at

[hushed steeple]

o h

I've been trying for so long lolll

has anyone figured out what the murals under the first courtyard of forest are about

specifically

[round musk]

I have an explanation for why there isn't a direct trail from the child star to Eden

[hushed steeple]

share

[normal berry]

👂

[round musk]

It's because the Eden elder transformed from the CoL into the King, so he wasn't the same person

After he dies his soul splits up and gains back its initial form

[hushed steeple]

you have any whys yet

[round musk]

Well in the concept timeline the prince crowned himself king

[sly kestrel]

has anyone figured out what the murals under the first courtyard of forest are about
@hushed steeple pot delivery to make power diamonds

[round musk]

Maybe in the new canon the CoL took on a new form as supreme ruler

[hushed steeple]

if a creature of light becomes evil does it become a dark creature

and vice versa

[round musk]

Creatures of light are pure light so they would just die if they gained darkness

[hushed steeple]

dang

imagine being corrupted, though

somehow

[round musk]

I gtg, happy theorizing

[strong zodiac]

I heard that there's an early concept of the genders and names for the elders in sky?

[sly kestrel]

Not genders

Jus the names

And they were based on Hebrew letters

I forgot the exact ones but I remember the forest elder was teth

[strong zodiac]

is this true?

[pallid gyro]

There’s eden elder?

[strong zodiac]

apparently, yes

[pallid gyro]

fascinating

[strong zodiac]

I'm just here to ask if those are the elder's official names

there's two versiosn which I am not sure which one is correct

[sly kestrel]

There’s eden elder?
@pallid gyro well it’s complicated

[pallid gyro]

my my

[strong zodiac]

which one is correct?

[unborn fog]

the elders don t have official canon names btw

[hushed steeple]

idk why the wasteland elder would have an adventure family kid name but whatever floats ur boat tgc

im interested in season elder names owo

[lyric isle]

That’s...that’s incredibly fascinating

I knew that the Hebrew alphabet is utterly sacred, but never knew those apparent depths and symbolisms

and naming characters after that with the attributes that fit

[lethal stump]

this makes me wonder if, since the names are based in hebrew, the language of sky is similar to hebrew
it would certainly become easier to figure out

[lyric isle]

http://www.walkingkabbalah.com/hebrew-alphabet-letter-meanings/

[celest spoke]

Can the bell glyphs be interpreted as Hebrew letters in somekinda stylized font?

[lyric isle]

I wondered why they had letter names
as a self-taught Yiddish student that is (a very long story made of several stories behind why I’m willing to do so)
never knew this

[lethal stump]

isnt Alef the hebrew equivalent to ‘A’ ?

[lyric isle]

...depends

[lethal stump]

or glottal stop

[lyric isle]

but sometimes yes

[lethal stump]

imagine that

someone: what should we call you, Prince ?
alef:
alef:
alef: a

[lyric isle]

No idea about Hebrew but in Yiddish it can either be A, O, or just nothing and put there for the sake of spelling rules

(it is sometimes marked to tell it apart)

spelling rules to signify a vowel at the start actually

[lethal stump]

yeah
i know that the root of ‘alef’ is ?alph (no phonetic keyboard), originally from Phoenician. i knew it became ‘A’ so i was wondering if the same was true for hebrew lol

[sly kestrel]

They used to be animals, humanoids with animal masks, simply gods, normal beings, and a bunch of other stuff
So many concepts passed and I think when they had names they were jus called ancestors

[lime maple]

I kinda want a future season to expand on the lore of what we know now

[spring blaze]

all seasons expands the lore of the kingdom

this season was more exciting lore-wise becasue it was connected to lightseekers plus many new murals and stories

[lethal stump]

nnnhhhh trying to not talk abt the beta season rn

[pale kestrel]

What is the meaning of these symbols? And why do some have rocks placed at some points

Future seasons?

Uhh ok what did they do?

[unborn fog]

it gave you a candle if you completed it

but it was removed because it distracted from the main storyline or smth

[sly kestrel]

Basically

[uncut bone]

there's two versiosn which I am not sure which one is correct
@strong zodiac I believe the second.

Aleph: א
Tsadi: צ
Tet: ת
Samekh: ט
Dalet: ד
Lamed: ל

[lyric isle]

may I make a correction if that’s alright

Tet: ט
Samekh: ס

but ye

[pale kestrel]

Strange object in eden

Any ideas?

[celest spoke]

Ya, Jay keeps saying that’s the top of Vault tho personally I don’t see the linkage

[wind bone]

Why wouldn’t it be the top of vault it’s literally on the exit of vault lol

[pale kestrel]

^

[unborn fog]

well there s a lot of proof actually

siderakat look to the left when you re in the preorbit sequence with the whale

[pale kestrel]

Are there any theories about it yet?

[celest spoke]

Hm ok, will try to remember... above the shattered statues?

[unborn fog]

yeah when the whale plows through that building

theories on what exactly extex?

[celest spoke]

Btw I was looking at the official Ark shop page: the Vault holocube things are “scrolls” (chat objects + rainbow), “spells” (the 5-minute temporary effects) are made of pure light (butterfly jars and colored orbs), and “potions” (instant recharge + permanent resize) come out of a huuuuge butterfly jar with lil diamond -shaped windows and an active flame inside

[round river]

So knowledge what makes fireworks?🤔🤔
I do understand the rest since it use light but didn't fireworks need light(?)

[sly kestrel]

Some lanterns hold other things than knowledge

Also, that “strange object” is a symbol that ash made a hint about a while back

Apparently there’s a deep meaning to that symbol and what it represents

[heady sinew]

The "top of vault" has that symbol, the devs said it was important once

Oh

Jay already said that

It has four squares, kind of like the Forest Temple door. Power diamond logo ?

[round river]

Some lanterns hold other things than knowledge
@sly kestrel
Ouhh... I thought it's only knowledge since i didn't see anything else aside from knowledge in vault

[dusk sluice]

The strange symbol/object also appears in valley if I remember correctly

It also resembles the diamond helmet skykids can wear

[celest spoke]

Maybe rainbows/fireworks aren’t “real” light but rather a sort of mind-affecting mass hallucination? since chat objects induce a sort of group telepathy, even among casual acquaintances and complete strangers... which in a way suggests that Sky music is a mass hallucination too

I was also trying to figure out any pattern to what requires which currency, since candles are just farmable light around us, but hearts mostly need to be “farmed” from friends and ascended candles are from ripping off our own wings for dead kids

So using an ascended candle for resize is like... getting a new size from dead kids

[sly kestrel]

It also resembles the diamond helmet skykids can wear
@dusk sluice theres a lot more as well

After a while of playing I started to notice this specific design, 3 diamonds pointing up, left, and right, while there’s another diamond in the middle

[celest spoke]

iirc the first composite diamond we see is on Forest temple door, with all 4 smaller diamonds equal-sized and symmetrically balanced, contained within the main diamond outline; the “king’s crown” version has three smaller diamonds pushed out to the corners and the fourth one taking on more prominence and moving to the center of the original outline, so it’s less... democratic? idk

[sly kestrel]

3 kingdoms connected by one

Jk idk but

[scenic cave]

Is there a name for the big flying bememoth?

[sly kestrel]

I rlly wish ash gave us a bit more info

Thas the whale

[celest spoke]

She be the white whale, arrr matey

[sly kestrel]

Based off of 2 fish irl

[earnest tapir]

the eye of eden is a giant prominent diamond

[sly kestrel]

I know one is the coelacanth but I forgot the other

[unborn fog]

coelocanth >:V
arapaima sort of works

[earnest tapir]

whale bones

[celest spoke]

The diamond headdress in our cosmetics is Forest Aunt’s, not quite as decentered as king turret crowns

[sly kestrel]

I wasn’t saying it was

I was jus referring to the design

And yes it may look like the king statues in the concepts but those are concepts, the modern design could represent something else entirely different from the king

[celest spoke]

So just the abstract filigrees in Valley/Wasteland temple etc?

I keep thinking it reminds me of an abstract Japanese kamon I’ve seen but can’t find it yet

[finite vine]

So at the end of vault, the wasteland elders chair thing is the only one that seems to be crumbled and destroyed (I had a screenshot I dunno where it went) dunno if that has any significant but yeah

[dull fox]

Maybe the other elders resent the wasteland elder because of something they did?

If people still think the civil war theory is true it fits because the wasteland elder would be one of the people who started it

[earnest tapir]

the wasteland elder is kind of depicted as more aggressive than the others in its cutscene

[dull fox]

...or maybe not I dunno

I’m not smart

I think the wasteland elder could take on a krill tho

[earnest tapir]

wasteland is the first place we see krill

[dull fox]

just frikkin skewer it

[earnest tapir]

lolol yes with his big spear

[dull fox]

Roast it over a fire and crönch

Anyways

I haven’t been on this chat for a while so I’m out of touch

But I could try to answer questions or something because I write books and stories so I am good at making up lore based on evidence

[earnest tapir]

This is a bit of a stretch but maybe the wasteland elder brought the krill to the wasteland from eden

krill are plentiful in eden and that could be something that incites violence

[dull fox]

That’s possible. Personally I think the krill just kinda moved into the wasteland after whatever happened that made it into a wasteland

And the wasteland elder tried to fight them off as some kind of general

me making this up on the spot

[earnest tapir]

👁👁

[broken veldt]

@lethal stump @lyric isle
I know the elders having names of Hebrew letters is not canon but I still wanted to do some research. The letter daleth or how you are supposed to say it Daled, ד, means the lowest point, under heaven, under the kingdom, whatever that means. Then the letter Ayin, ע, represents the eyes, but not seeing the physical, seeing the spiritual. The next letter is Teth, but you actually say it as Tet, ט, which means pure and good, and the right side of the letter seems to represent a person praying to the left side of the letter which seems like it represents the letter Vav, ו, which usually stands for God in Hebrew. Sadly I couldn't find much about the word Samekh, ס. The next letter is Tsadi, צ, which has a nagetive and a positive side to it. The letter is spelled like this, צדי, the first 2 letters, צד, means to hunt, which is negative becaus it's hunting for the physical things in life, unlike the last letter, י, which means God, the speritual world and the counting of the crown, which I don't understand what it means, but then you might think, by combining those 3 letters does it make the definition change to hunting God, seeking God, looking for the spiritual things in life, and I guess not because it says that it's raising the soul of the first man that was scattered because of the the sin which the first man committed, the job is to find the scattered soul particles so it will go to heaven. I can not find the definition for Lamed, ל, either but I do have one for the letter Alef, א. Some of the definitions for Alef is to learn, practice, and knowledge.
For anyone wondering why I @ them it's because I saw you talking about it so I thought u might be interesting in what I said.

[finite vine]

I still believe that krills are mechanical in nature, just the way they act and move

Oh

Thats some text

[broken veldt]

Took me a long time to gather all of the information 😂

[dull fox]

I’m pretty sure the devs said somewhere that the krill are biological creatures and are natural to the sky world just like the crabs, mantas, birds, and butterflies are.

I’m not sure where tho

[finite vine]

Ah, they act very mechanical for being biological then

[dull fox]

They are just angry

[earnest tapir]

They do wait around if you hide though

[dull fox]

Like they are coated in hard shells of keratin so moving would be difficult

Like a spider seems kinda robotic to us

[finite vine]

I dunno, them seem to be awakened by bells heard around wastes as you enter the second area

Which is why I thought they were mechanical

[dull fox]

The krill are intelligent hunters. They monitor the area around where you hide just like any hunter would do

[finite vine]

Good point

[dull fox]

I think the krill just recognize the sound of the bells as “ooh, prey is here!” And then crawl out from under the ground.

[earnest tapir]

In the wasteland on the boat, the spirit there shows others in boats leaving the area

the boat is also sunken and covered by that one krill

[dull fox]

Yeah. The boat crashed and the people fled from the krill

[lethal stump]

maybe they’re brainwashed/damaged by the darkness, making them act less « natural »

[dull fox]

It is unknown whether they survived

Maybe

[earnest tapir]

well they are spirits so

[dull fox]

I see

[earnest tapir]

that kind of means they’re not alive

[dull fox]

[lethal stump]

cora idk if that’s directed at me but i’m talking abt krill not spirits—

[finite vine]

Isnt it only that only because its the spirits memories

[dull fox]

I think the skykid emotes livers are failing. They all have yellow eyes ;p

[finite vine]

So it wouldnt mean they are dead?

[earnest tapir]

maybe it was the most significant thing in their lives

[dull fox]

Well youre also reliving the memories. It’s possible that the other spirits are just part of the memory and not actually there

[broken veldt]

Some think the Krills were made to protect something, possibly the crystal factories in Waste before everything kinda failed and was forgotten.

[earnest tapir]

now that I think of it there are a lot of images of boats

[dull fox]

But the krill are biological

[broken veldt]

I said some think that, I did not say its what they actually are

[dull fox]

My theory is that as the wasteland became more polluted a war broke out in an attempt to preserve the land, but in the process of the war the people living there were wiped out and the land was left scarred by darkness. The krill moved in after the fact because it was a good climate

[tulip spire]

I think the Krill want to avenge their fallen friends and blame the humans for their home becoming the way it is 😐 that or the Krill just blame the humans in general for just about any reason they can come up with

[dull fox]

Evidenced by the tank traps and barricades that wouldn’t work against flying krill

[broken veldt]

But that wouldn't explain the Giant spears

[earnest tapir]

Well this season we were given the ark, and an ark signifies the idea of people leaving an area en mass for a better life

[dull fox]

The old people were a lot bigger Than the sky kids

The elders average at 8+ feet in height

With the wasteland elder being around 10

[earnest tapir]

maybe we are just little tiny babies

[dull fox]

We are called children of the light

But anyways

The spears could’ve also happened after the fact

[tulip spire]

What is that thing? Someone said it’s a whale but it don’t look like a whale to me

[dull fox]

There is obviously some kind of powerful technology that was in use during the war. Something similar to tanks at least

[earnest tapir]

it’s a ghost whale

[tulip spire]

Cosmic whale...weird but I like it

[earnest tapir]

:>

[tulip spire]

I want one 🥺

[broken veldt]

I'm pretty sure that's a space manta

[dull fox]

But the krill could’ve also moved in during the war, who knows, and since the light powered weaponry of the people was useless against krill they started using spears that couldn’t be eaten by the krill

[broken veldt]

Just a giant space Manta

[earnest tapir]

maybe the krill were an act of war

[tulip spire]

Okay. I just thought they were dead Krill

[earnest tapir]

he’s spiky like a whale tho

[tulip spire]

Since they kinda do look like krill

[earnest tapir]

whales are like chonky krill

[broken veldt]

No, but it was said that you should trust the things that happen in Vault

[rugged rose]

Does anyone know what is the cubic/diamond shaped rock that the Forest Elder and the Vault Elder hold? The Forest Elder recreates it after snatching our light while the Vault Elder gave it to us so we can give it our light. I'm wondering what is that thing's purpose

[broken veldt]

Because Vault is like a "dreamland" nothing is real

[dull fox]

It’s a power source like a battery @rugged rose

[earnest tapir]

the little diamond is also like the big one in the vault on the platform

[rugged rose]

It’s a power source like a battery @rugged rose
@dull fox Oooh! I see I see

[dull fox]

There is one of them in each of the doors we open. The light and heat from our candles causes the thing to output energy which causes the door to open

[earnest tapir]

honestly vault being a dreamland would make sense in between such horrific places

[tulip spire]

;-; what

[dull fox]

I’m certain that only the bottom floor of the vault is real. Because you just wake up there after reaching the top

[rugged rose]

honestly vault being a dreamland would make sense in between such horrific places
@earnest tapir it's like a peaceful dream between the harsh reality

[earnest tapir]

yeahh

[dull fox]

And everything is broken

It’s not like that happened during the cutscene

You were just super high or something from finally escaping the krill.

But the thing is, the term “Vault” implies that it is something hidden

You don’t build a tower when you want to hide something.

[sly kestrel]

Because Vault is like a "dreamland" nothing is real
@broken veldt not the entire vault is a dream, it’s original purpose was to gather what was left from the destroyed civilization and put it alll in this huge vault storing knowledge and memories. Think of it as one huge library, but the elevator section of vault is the dreamlike part tho

[earnest tapir]

maybe it’s more like underground?

[dull fox]

I think the vault is a buried building meant to hold something

[broken veldt]

I was half right then, good

[rugged rose]

It's like, you have to be unconcious to reach the higher levels in Vault

[sly kestrel]

Yes

[tulip spire]

Okay...my thing is gone. Shoot. What I said was my thoughts on that big cosmic beast was that if it really was a dead Krill then the living Krill were mad that the humans were killing them off for being there and that’s why they’re attacking us.

[celest spoke]

(mutters about Gothic vaulted cathedrals)

[broken veldt]

Jay did you read my thing about the Hebrew letters lol

[earnest tapir]

the whales have almost all been killed off

there’s just a couple that you see but the rest are bones

[rugged rose]

Oh that reminds me of the ghost manta call

[spring blaze]

theres only one whale in the game

[sly kestrel]

Vault isnt necessarily underground but inside the mountain

[broken veldt]

Isn't there 2?

[dull fox]

I think the cosmic whales and the normal whales aren’t the same thing. The cosmic whales remind me of some kind of evolved manta

[spice kernel]

aint there 4?

bones, ||orbit||, caverns and wasteland

[earnest tapir]

there’s ghost whale and the whale before wasteland

[spring blaze]

the whale you see throughout the game is the same one

[sly kestrel]

No, it’s jus seen in 4 places cuz it can move remember

[dull fox]

Apparently there’s just one whale that follows you the whole time

[broken veldt]

One in forest another ||on the way to heaven after dying||

[spring blaze]

no need to spoiler here

[spice kernel]

the whale you see throughout the game is the same one
@spring blaze wowie howd u know?

[dull fox]

This is a spoiler chat fam

[sly kestrel]

Wow so active today it’s crazy

[tulip spire]

And if you notice there is a little manta just before you see the first Krill in the wastelands. Why is it there? Why hasn’t the Krill killed it?

[spring blaze]

idk but im preetttyyyy sure theres only one whale

[spice kernel]

what about the whale bones at forest, ginsy?

[rugged rose]

And if you notice there is a little manta just before you see the first Krill in the wastelands. Why is it there? Why hasn’t the Krill killed it?
@tulip spire now that you mention it--

[sly kestrel]

So many questions and topics
Which one should I respond to 🤔

[earnest tapir]

don’t krill attack mantas?

[spring blaze]

if there was more they’d definitely be flying in eden with us

[broken veldt]

@sly kestrel can you read the long paragraph I said and give me your opinion on the matter?

[dull fox]

I don’t think the krill are strong enough to krill the whale. It does smash a building with its head after all

[sly kestrel]

what about the whale bones at forest, joshir?
@spice kernel that one is ded

[celest spoke]

Krill keeps krilling lil manta over and over

[earnest tapir]

true ginsy, if all of the whales are dead why aren’t they in orbit

[spice kernel]

its dead but still another one

[broken veldt]

Well there are whale bones in wasteland, so

[sly kestrel]

Hmmm I’m gonna have to give up this time

[spice kernel]

and i meant ginsy im so sorry cri

[sly kestrel]

Ginsy u take over

[dull fox]

when you’re that one manta who’s only job is to be krilled over and over only to be respawned to die again

[sly kestrel]

Too many people

[tulip spire]

See this is what I don’t understand. The little manta flies around and the Krill sees it but does nothing about it. I think that the Krill is only after Humans

[spring blaze]

huh

[dull fox]

The bones in the graveyard are from something bigger

[spice kernel]

when you’re that one manta who’s only job is to be krilled over and over only to be respawned to die again
@dull fox prometheus in a nutshell

[dull fox]

Probably something extinct.

[rugged rose]

Does that mean every manta that got krilled dies and became a ghost manta in Vault?

[sly kestrel]

No

Those are different

[lethal stump]

we need slow mode skdjfhg

[spring blaze]

the krill does attack it

nawww man

see its dead already

[earnest tapir]

the ideas are flowing

[sly kestrel]

Could’ve jus killed it and demolished its light since it doesn’t have a physical body

[tulip spire]

I’ve never seen the Krill attack it. It’s a white manta

[lethal stump]

several people are typing

[broken veldt]

The bones are from the whales, stand near one of them at then compare the difference of your character to the bones with your character to the whale we see around the map sometimes

[dull fox]

There are two types of manta in game, and both look different, but for the sake of keeping things simple the devs called them both mantas even tho one looks like a manta ray and the other doesn’t.

[spring blaze]

rip

[dull fox]

Pretty much yeh

[regal fiber]

[tulip spire]

OH MY GOD NOOOO JERRY

[sly kestrel]

Boop, ur the new professional trickster now
I’m goin to bed 😴

[dull fox]

We need to name that manta. Give it a real name

As part of the lore

[rugged rose]

Oh then what do you guys think about the creature in Sunny Forest?

[spring blaze]

which?

[tulip spire]

His name shall be Jerry

[broken veldt]

What creature?

[rugged rose]

The one in the underground caverns

[broken veldt]

The whale?

[dull fox]

That’s a whale

[sly kestrel]

That’s also the whale

[spring blaze]

thats the whale

[tulip spire]

Rip to Jerry the manta

[dull fox]

That’s the one and only whale in the game

[regal fiber]

[spring blaze]

F in the chat for Jerry

[regal fiber]

[earnest tapir]

f for jerry

[spring blaze]

rip

[dull fox]

It just follows you around

[rugged rose]

F for respect for poor Jerry

[dull fox]

Can we please don’t

[broken veldt]

@spring blaze is there a chance u could read the long paragraph I said some time ago and tell me your opinion about it?

[spring blaze]

yep, you see the whale in underground cavern in forest, near the wasteland social hub, and eden i believe

[tulip spire]

Oh right! I was wanting to ask about Eden. Is it okay to explore a lil in Eden and then come back and do more things in the normal world?

[dull fox]

As long as you don’t go past the point of no return

You can do anything you want

[tulip spire]

And that’s the Storm Lock?

[dull fox]

That’s the part in the cave where it asks you if you want to continue

[spring blaze]

hunter i think thats pretty interesting! we talked abt the names of the elders before but i dont think i saw any of us actually define the letters tgc chose

[rugged rose]

Basically you can go back home as long as you don't enter the Eye of Storm

[tulip spire]

I’ve already seen what happens in part of Eden. I just need to know if I need to have toilet paper handy when I go in

[dull fox]

Funny, isn’t the eye of the storm supposed to be the calm part

EYE OF EDEN IS NOT CALM

[broken veldt]

@spring blaze my knowledge of 13 years living in Israel and being born there finally paid off 😂

[spring blaze]

eye of the storm has never been defined as calm haha

[dull fox]

In a hurricane it is

[tulip spire]

Oof aight thanks guys

[earnest tapir]

eye of the hurricane is calm

[tulip spire]

Still...I hate I never noticed that Jerry dies...

[tulip spire]

What if Jerry is that baby cosmic manta in the vault at the bones?

[dull fox]

But the eye of it is calm

[spring blaze]

yeah in hurricane terms its more calm

[regal fiber]

[spring blaze]

but we’re not in a hurricane theres rocks and evil water trying to kill us

[dull fox]

Hecking Eden defying storm rules. Don’t make me report you to the whether police

[rugged rose]

When it's supposed to be calm but it isn't

[dull fox]

Wait

[broken veldt]

I think they always say that if you are caught in a Hurricane try getting to the eye of the storm because its the calmest part

[rugged rose]

XD

[dull fox]

No

I was wrong

Hold up

[celest spoke]

Dudes y’all’re earworming me with “Hamilton”

[dull fox]

That final area isn’t the center of the storm. It isn’t the eye

[tulip spire]

What if it’s a fire hurricane

[dull fox]

The red diamond is the eye

That’s why as you approach it the rocks get worse

[earnest tapir]

Have you ever noticed that you can’t see eden from home

[vale sun]

Funny I just went in here expecting to hear big brain knowledge and we're talking abt weather 😂

[dull fox]

If you could just reach it you’d be fine

Weather is big brained

[earnest tapir]

even though you’re outside you can’t see it in the distance

[dull fox]

Home isn’t a place

[regal fiber]

[dull fox]

“Home is where your heart is”

“And where is your heart Finn?”

[spring blaze]

👂

[regal fiber]

[rugged rose]

Now I wonder what will happen if you managed to go into the red diamond and still alive

[spring blaze]

you cant

[round musk]

Maybe it's on the other side of the sky world of it is a place

[sly kestrel]

Nothing

[spring blaze]

theres a windwall

[dull fox]

“Well it’s right here inside you, while I’m sitting here besides you”

[spring blaze]

but the diamond is broken up

[dull fox]

-jake

[sly kestrel]

Even if u go, there’s nothing there but a big diamond, it’s not a portal

[celest spoke]

Home has different times of day, unlike anywhere else in Skyworld cept Office SSI nite

[dull fox]

But logically the diamond would be a peaceful place since it’s at the center of the storm

[sly kestrel]

Nope

[earnest tapir]

If diamonds are like batteries, what does that make the eden diamond? a big evil battery?

[sly kestrel]

Storm covers the entire mountain,

[dull fox]

A giant power generator that is highly unstable and breaking apart

[earnest tapir]

same difference

[spring blaze]

more like a big failed battery

[dull fox]

Technically the storm only covers wasteland and beyond

[sly kestrel]

And yes, theoretically it’s a giant power diamond and the den diamond was prolly going to be used to power the whole city or whatever eden was

[dull fox]

Everything outside of that is chill and good

[celest spoke]

Don’t make your power diamonds outta graphite

[round musk]

Well technically the inside of the diamond is full of light; it's just the outside that's spewing darkness

[broken veldt]

It's possible the red diamond was used as an energy source but something happened and it got corrupted making Eden the way it is now, destroyed and consumed with darkness

[round musk]

So the inside of the diamond is the eye of the storm

[dull fox]

Yes

[sly kestrel]

...no

[earnest tapir]

good theory

[spring blaze]

the most common theory is that it exploded

[rugged rose]

It's just bursting out it's light

[sly kestrel]

💥

[celest spoke]

Rebirth gate looks like cat iris actually

[dull fox]

Or it failed and when it failed it started absorbing light which is why it prompts us skykids to ascend and feed it our winged light

orbit is inside the diamond

;p

[earnest tapir]

Branching of off that maybe the winged light is strategically placed to give the diamond more power

[dull fox]

Yeah

[spring blaze]

i sent this before but it looks like something exploded here. only visible in the isle elder room

[dull fox]

Nuclear explosion

[spring blaze]

ft dead skykid

[celest spoke]

But

[dull fox]

Definitely resembles a nuclear explosion if you froze it in time moments after it went off

[round musk]

Who else thinks that orbit is just the new name for the motherbird?

[dull fox]

I think orbit is just what happens from our perspective.

[celest spoke]

Orbit offset from ascension beam

[earnest tapir]

maybe it exploded when we went inside it and fed it more power

we could be the cause of the chain reaction

[rugged rose]

By giving it our winged lights, the diamond restores it's powers but that will somehow run out soon, so in return we got rebirthed and sent to search more winged lights to send it back again to the diamond

[dull fox]

Like in reality we, and all the dudes we save just get sucked into the diamond and the diamond brings us back to life to have us collect more food for it

[rugged rose]

Repeat cycle

[spring blaze]

me too boop

[rugged rose]

Endless cycle

[dull fox]

Yes

[round musk]

I think Orbit literally is "the light"

It's the force we're born out of and return to

[dull fox]

We are spaceskykids

[round musk]

In concepts it was called the motherbird

[earnest tapir]

then again what are winged light? why are they there

[dull fox]

The megabird is what prompts us to fly to the heavens

[round musk]

whatever it's past midnight for me

[dull fox]

The winged light is fallen stars as described in the intro

We are supposed to collect them and return them to the heavens

[celest spoke]

There’s at least 1 manta between elder stone and rebirth gate, off to the side where the ramp to the review stone starts

[spring blaze]

it was still called orbit in the concept arts lol

[earnest tapir]

then they just go right back to where they were

[spring blaze]

in the concept arts the megabird* was a separate entitiy