lore-discussion-spoilers

[sly kestrel]

Bye Totoroooo

Wait

WAIIITTT

[snow shore]

Yes?

[sly kestrel]

if u post it there make sure to spoiler tag it

[heady sinew]

Lmao

[snow shore]

How do you do that?

[sly kestrel]

Better to ask in another channel but

[unborn fog]

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[pastel brook]

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[sly kestrel]

Vroom vroom, u beat me again miles

[unborn fog]

hahaha nyoom 🏎️

[uncut bone]

Jay you should really make a document of all of your theories

[heady sinew]

Master theorist's masterpost

[sly kestrel]

I actually do have them written down but

Only the ones with all the proof and the ones that make the most sense

[uncut bone]

Oh cool

Do you mind sharing it?

I just want to see what they are and try to add to them

[subtle sinew]

does anyone have the names of all the elders?

[unborn fog]

um

isle elder, prairie elder, forest elder, valley elder 1, valley elder 2, wasteland elder, vault elder

i don t think there are official names actually

might be some in the lore document

[heady sinew]

I have this screenshot I took. Not canon. These were the names used in old concepts

[unborn fog]

woah

[drowsy spoke]

Okay quick idea I'm gonna write down

We actually can't touch creatures of the opposite “element” (light can't touch dark, vice versa)

The only reason we lose light when a krill hits us is because of the wind wall around the krill

[subtle sinew]

thanks :o

[drowsy spoke]

We already established that if we hit something at a hard enough speed whatever, we lose heat

The krill hits us with enough speed that we get propelled backwards... and lose light

up for discussion

[sly kestrel]

.....plz credit me for that

Oh wait

Nvm ur theory is different

I thought u were writing down my theory and saying it was urs, I was bouta say 😂

[noble night]

hello, I'm new to this discord server but I'd love to talk about lore /.\

I'm not sure how that works lol

[round musk]

I think the wind wall is just there to knock us back. In Eden I once accidentally stood in a krill's face and immediately lost my light. You don't need to touch a creature of light directly for it to give you light, so I think that similarly you don't need physical contact with a krill for it to take your light.

[uncut bone]

That is true.

Here’s my take on this
There are 3 types of creatures, dark, light and neutral
Neutral creatures have physical bodies such as flesh and bone, dark and light are simply made of light and dark essence
@sly kestrel Would this mean that sky children are neutral?

[noble night]

There are cases where the krill loses it light though, when that happens you can touch the krill all you want and you won't lose light

[round musk]

Crabs are the only non-neutral creatures with physical bodies

[mild rose]

Hello, sorry if im interrupting anything but is there any name for the stone hedge like things?
Like this?

[round musk]

I would just call them arches, but idk if there's an official name

[mild rose]

Okay, thank you

[plucky scarab]

when you fly, there is no shadow of your cape. what if you were simply dreaming? of the heights you’d reach, the places you’d see and the friends you’d make, but you are just a shivering mass lost in the storm of Eden, like any other

[sly kestrel]

Crabs are the only non-neutral creatures with physical bodies
@round musk this is why the crabs seem so much or a mystery, ash kept hinting that they were made, they mimic something and hints about a backstory of these creatures and how they came to be

when you fly, there is no shadow of your cape. what if you were simply dreaming? of the heights you’d reach, the places you’d see and the friends you’d make, but you are just a shivering mass lost in the storm of Eden, like any other
@plucky scarab the reason why we don’t have shadows on our cape is a technical restraint. It would take too much effort for tgc to put shadows and it’s such a small detail as well so it would be a waste of resources and work. Lag is also a thing too

[plucky scarab]

i know im just being bored at 1 am

[sly kestrel]

hello, I'm new to this discord server but I'd love to talk about lore /.
@noble night welcome!!! This chat is all about lore talk and discussions, although it hurts to admit that we barely have anything confirmed and any concrete straight forward lore, we still have some good theories and talks

[noble night]

I don't know if this is explained in the lore, but spirits are kinda weird aren't they? They're like memories you relive and once you do you can't see them again, and they're just grey and unmoving, but you can buy things from them?

@noble night welcome!!! This chat is all about lore talk and discussions, although it hurts to admit that we barely have anything confirmed and any concrete straight forward lore, we have some good theories and talks
@sly kestrel jfewiaofjeoiaw tyty, don't worry, I love to talk about things even if they're not canon

[humble barn]

speaking of shadows, mantas and birds have circular shadows○○○ probably due to the same technical restraint but are kinda pretty

[noble night]

so are the spirits dead? but they can travel (like travelling spirits)

[humble barn]

yeah they are dead but their spirits can travel

[sly kestrel]

The only possible lore explanation is that they are made of light, like how fire doesn’t have shadows

[plucky scarab]

i think the spirits are dead yes.. it makes things a lot sadder to relive their memories once you realize that

[noble night]

i think the spirits are dead yes.. it makes things a lot sadder to relive their memories once you realize that
@plucky scarab 😦 especially the ones inside the cave at the last forest stage. Because they're stuck and slowly dying

[sly kestrel]

And yes they were once ppl that were alive and eventually died but let’s jus say “dead but their spirit lives on”

[humble barn]

we are dancing with beautiful ghosts

[sly kestrel]

...we get our clothes from dead ppl

[plucky scarab]

hey dead people make your clothes cheaper!

[noble night]

kekek

[humble barn]

lol

[noble night]

do you think the elders are alive? or are they like the spirits and they're dead

[sly kestrel]

Nope they are alive

But

Before we save em and reconnect them with the light, they are dark, empty and lifeless

Not exactly dead but

Yk what I mean

[noble night]

lol yea

[plucky scarab]

probably worse than dead

[noble night]

they're probably immortal?

[sly kestrel]

Like depression!!

[noble night]

fighting against the darkness for us for eternity

[plucky scarab]

i like collecting elder hair bc.. seeing them after eden, it’s like lifting their burden

it’s over now, you can rest, kinda vibes

[noble night]

oof

and then new elders will come?

[plucky scarab]

not sure! we’re all stuck in a painful loop

but at least it is a pretty loop

[sly kestrel]

Well

This is one thing I can confirm
There won’t be anymore elders

It’s jus the 6

[noble night]

I thought the devs had thought of adding new worlds

[sly kestrel]

Nope

New areas and additions to the realms yes
But whole new worlds no

[noble night]

oo okay

[round river]

Ahh jay you r pro trickster now?😂😂

[sly kestrel]

Did ya kno all fruit loop colors are actually the same flavor?

[heady sinew]

I did a while ago and I felt betrayed

[undone steppe]

Two types of people:
I found out froot loops are all the same because I read it on the internet &

At age 8, I extensively tested the frootloops and their off brand counterparts because I wasn't sure that applejacks would be around much longer considering the mascot's poor relationship and I needed a compromise.

[unborn fog]

is this on topic jay

[undone steppe]

My world was shattered. All I could taste were lies.

Deception had become apart of my balanced breakfast.

Then again, I suppose it always was.

[frail anchor]

does anyone have an idea on why the eden constellation is the same one on the home pad?

[undone steppe]

Pretty sure it's a sky kid constellation. There are other constellation s for other light creatures and elders

As above, so below. Everything has a place in the stars.

Sometimes when I'm on a theory rant I just imagine the devs peering over Jay's shoulder, flabbergasted at my thematic dissection of their masterpiece

[round river]

It looks like manta constellation to me
Same like the one in prairie

I wonder why too

[shut pike]

okay

i need someone to follow me on this one

so in wasteland there are all of these spears that have just been absolutely blown through shields

do you think, that maybe while this war, or that battle that was going on, the krill (floating demons) watched and mimicked this behavior and so thats why they spear towards us as an attack

since they saw it worked so well during the "war"

they decided to copy it

[unborn fog]

actually the krill didn t fight in that war, you could say it was a civil war!

if you look there are two types of shields in a sun and diamond shape!

one representing eden, hence the sun, and the other representing the power diamond faction, hence the diamond!

they fought over whether or not to continue power diamond production because even though power diamonds hold a lot of power they also pollute the area around it when they are manufactured

so they fought in the wasteland!

[dapper pond]

I think sleepy means the krill mimicking on how they use the spear to attack
Hench why when krill attacks us it like someone throws a spear at us

[shut pike]

thats exactly what i mean but i was really interested in what cambion was just saying lmao

but no i did mean what owl just said lol

[dapper pond]

They do have lot of interesting theories here

[shut pike]

yeah for real

i was just strolling through wasteland when that popped in my head, i figured no one would know if it was true, but it makes sense no?

[undone steppe]

I think _____ have a lot of experience ramming into things.
[Fill in the noun]:




*
?
!

But what we should really ask is...

Where did the krill come from?
If they're natural to the material world, Do you think darkness was passive toward light before the civil war? Did elders corrupting eden cause darkness to ooze out of the world?

[drowsy spoke]

I think krills are pretty natural

It's kind of like... before the whales and krills are balanced

[hushed steeple]

Maybe they were light creatures

Then corrupted by the dark

[drowsy spoke]

But then because of the war, there is a big decrease of light creatures

So they don't have anything to keep the krills in check

[hushed steeple]

Like imagine em white and pure being ridden by spirits

[shut pike]

which light creatures though

[undone steppe]

So from what I'm hearing only the elders and skykids were sent from heaven.

[drowsy spoke]

Therefore overpopulation of krills

@hushed steeple Yeah!

Krill overpopulation is bad because they hunt light...

And the cycle continues

Yah Yah

[undone steppe]

Boop says spirits rode Whales and their decaying corpses ominously hover their graves, hunting with the speed and precision of a undead darkness dragon.

Update. Boop is now a table

The talk table with Vinde Miatrix

Sorry, I was bringing in @hushed steeple

Wasteland descisions is fun, and I love your spirit idea

[shut pike]

shouldnt the krill not be able to see you if youre out of light completely

if they target light

[hushed steeple]

Omg that's true

Maybe they simply detect movement

[shut pike]

i went through a little mission the other day, let them take all my light, but they saw me even though i was half dead, and had no problem detecting me

[undone steppe]

Playing dead fools them occasionally

[hushed steeple]

Sorry, I was bringing in @hushed steeple
@undone steppe what do u mean? I'm sorry I'm still kinda sleepy lol

[undone steppe]

I'd like to explore the roles of the spirits during their lifetime.

Because we don't know if they lived side by side with the elders.

[hushed steeple]

I'd like to explore the roles of the spirits during their lifetime.
@undone steppe my gosh that's true

Maybe they were like praying the elders

And each elder was the protector of a relam

[undone steppe]

Elders do seem to have a place within the stars, and we can see people like the light seekers and enchanters understand complex mathematics and astronomy

[shut pike]

they had to be praying towards them, because whenever you pray at an elders shrine, they always look all beaten up like they havent had any worship or prayer in years

[undone steppe]

Elders seem to be eternal and only need their candles to be lit to let them communicate.

The boat man's mask is completely broken when we see it

His is the only early kingdom in ruin and his mask isn't even on the door to eden

[hushed steeple]

The boat man?

Ah

Makes sense now

[shut pike]

hes not on the eden door?

huh

[hushed steeple]

Grampa yesss I'm not the only one calling him Grampa then yay

[shut pike]

i didnt even notice

[undone steppe]

So why are his spirits so sad. Why are there ruined boats and barely hollow hills next to a grand temple

Even the isle has power diamonds in it's twoplayer door

And boats are known to use diamonds aswell

I've only seen them fly on clouds tho

[shut pike]

well the one in wasteland doesnt seem to exactly need clouds to lift off, the boat thats heading towards the ark

[undone steppe]

Why the damaged mask. And what about the starting area?

Also I rescind my cloud boat comment following newer evidence.

Idk. Spirits seem to be co existing the the middle of a political elder war. Imagine if angels existed and they made you crush the life out of manta Ray's for magic resizing potions.

Do the other elders masks need to reform in their cutscene?

[spark notch]

no

[undone steppe]

It seems important for someone from orbit to have a kind of third eye in the mask.

Imho, no real evidence to back it up.

Also I'm rambling and we need to stay on topic.

[shut pike]

maybe hes there to be that wise old man that helps youngins after birth and after rebirth. but since the spirits that used to pray to him have since died, and also not a lot of people go to isle due to the lack of candles so maybe thats why hes so...broken

[spark notch]

maybe he was attacked by something

he facepalmed so hard that he cracked his mask

(kidding)

grandpa of dawn.... we appreciate u

[undone steppe]

My point is that elders. Divine rulers who descend from the manifestation of light can physically die.

Do you think there are spirits who lived without elders? What kind of relationship can peasentry have when they learn their Lord's bleed?

[shut pike]

imo i think that the reason every elder looks either sad, lost, or hurt is because the spirits that we all find have died. and those were the light people that prayed to the elders or tended to them. and now that they are gooone. when one of us little moths comes by offering our light. it heals them up and gives them hope for this new world

maybe

maybe

for spirits that lived without elders. i wouldnt even know what to think of those

would they be in the same gen as elders

[ornate linden]

what purpose do you think that moths are created for? to help the elders?

[shut pike]

before elders stepped up

[spark notch]

i feel like it couldve been relatively recently

[shut pike]

okay but who made the moths

[spark notch]

given the state of the world

it varies of course but a lot of structures and things are very intact

[shut pike]

we all start off as empty shells though

and then start collecting remains of other moths

[humble barn]

A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.

[shut pike]

of which we call our wings

[humble barn]

it's what the narrator says in the opening cutscene

[undone steppe]

Normally I'd say a lit camp roast is evidence of recent activity but I've been walking up to a lot of lit torches recently

Was it the masks?

I didn't nt know if that computes.

[ornate linden]

the overall purpose of a moth is pretty sad tho

destinied to die over and over again

[humble barn]

yes it is

[sturdy condor]

Ye

[undone steppe]

So is the purpose of a caterpillar. But we all get our wings

[shut pike]

i feel like the spirits in the ark were trying to get away from the main land of wasteland during the war

[sturdy condor]

Yeah

[humble barn]

I think most of the normal/seasonal spirits we see in game are relatively newer people who lived after the civilization collapsed

[undone steppe]

I saw them as escaping the vault.

[sturdy condor]

And they thought they might aswell explor while they are at it

[ornate linden]

what if the spirits in the ark had their ship shot down

for trying to escape the wasteland

[undone steppe]

I think it's odd to have them burried so deep in the vault

[sturdy condor]

Maybe

That’s a possibility

[humble barn]

but the people on the boat were scholars

[sturdy condor]

After all, they do contain what looks like the light holders in vault (idk what they are called)

[undone steppe]

Wasteland ship is so different in terms of style, so you may be right

[sturdy condor]

Yeah that

[humble barn]

projection cubes

[sturdy condor]

Whatever they are called, that ship had them

[undone steppe]

Which they use to make magic.

I think I know what happened

[sturdy condor]

What happened

[jagged glacier]

What if a war was coming up and the spirits were trying to defend themselves because you see spirits who are working

[shut pike]

well they did have the knowledge to make all of the potions and spells

[undone steppe]

Someone stole lanterns from the vault. Probably the ark people.there is heavy evidence of a break in.

[humble barn]

the season opening said they sailed for prosperity

[shut pike]

thats probably why we couldnt buy any before, had they gotten to vault they would have brought that knowledge to vault

but like boop said they got stranded on the way

holding that knowledge with them

until they were discovered

it is called forgotten ark

[sturdy condor]

And the knowledge just happened to be on potions and spells

[humble barn]

what about the huge table and chairs in the vault

[undone steppe]

I think it was a seating place for elders?

[sturdy condor]

Yeah

[jagged glacier]

Probably

[sturdy condor]

Maybe a meeting place

[jagged glacier]

Maybe that’s why there is this huge door so others can’t come in easily

[undone steppe]

There are a few meeting places for elders. Do you think social places were for the server spirits to sit?

[sturdy condor]

It’s possible

[humble barn]

yeah, for spirits who had taken huge spells

[shut pike]

i know of two potential meeting spots for elders

the one in the sunny part of forest

right before the cool cave

[jagged glacier]

and the one in vault

[sturdy condor]

Or maybe the top of vault

[humble barn]

aren't the seats in the sunny forest normal spirit sized?

[shut pike]

i thought it was a little big

but maybe its not as big as im thinking

[humble barn]

You can look for Season of Belonging opening and/or ending cutscene

[undone steppe]

It is not unfortunately

[humble barn]

they are rather big for skykids but not for spirits

[undone steppe]

But the wasteland temple has huge doors and Eden has a few places built for elders frame in mind

[shut pike]

you guys know the cutscene at the end of vault

where it shows all of the elders in a row

[jagged glacier]

Do you think the children statues in eden are also sky children who died there trying to save the sky world?

[shut pike]

this one is the biggest elder

[humble barn]

@jagged glacier yes

[shut pike]

the one in wasteland

i mean

he is huge

[jagged glacier]

he is

[shut pike]

he would fit at that table no problem

[jagged glacier]

yeah

[undone steppe]

Yeah and apparently hold this sheild too

[shut pike]

yeah this dude is massive

but there are definitely some that are much smaller right

like the twins at valley

are those elders...

[undone steppe]

Found in Eden, giving him more connection to the divinity. I wonder if those massive statues in Eden were scale to anything...

[jagged glacier]

why do you guys think that you see the spirits memories when reliving them? I mean you could also just burn that little thing and that would be it

[undone steppe]

They are small elders. They seem to come in many sizes

[shut pike]

yeah

[undone steppe]

I think some are memories and some are guides

[shut pike]

but i guess they all are averagely big

[jagged glacier]

guides?

[undone steppe]

Your soul can follow and talk to other players in Eden. Sometimes you chase spirit souls through a string of not so meaningful events because they lead you there

[humble barn]

@jagged glacier I think it's because we first need to know about them in order to save (burn) them.

[jagged glacier]

But why memories? It could also be just the soul like in eden

[undone steppe]

I think it's the only way they can communicate

To feel at peace

[shut pike]

well in the world of sky it does say to help the spirits relieve its memories

[humble barn]

We have statues, not souls, in Eden and we are not burning the statues

[shut pike]

to feel at peace is exactly it

[jagged glacier]

hm

[shut pike]

we find them some ways away from their...bodies i guess

[jagged glacier]

I still think there’s sth more

[shut pike]

but we have to guide them there

[ornate linden]

maybe by relieving them of their memories, they are able to break free from the cycle

[undone steppe]

Whatever form of bind it is. Its important to the spirit that it's guide to the afterlife sees it.

[shut pike]

shes quite massive as well wth

[jagged glacier]

Well I gotta go now. Bye

[undone steppe]

I should leave also

[shut pike]

bye guys, it was a pleasure

[ornate linden]

see ya!

[round river]

Dear lore wise
I just remembered about the sneaky stance spirit.... She's hiding from krill right?
Doesn't that mean the krills aren't corrupted but already a dark creatures from the beginning?

[echo kettle]

Hi!

Anyone down to converse about how some of the spirits we saw have wings, but others don't?

And since each of these spirits are a part of their constellation, I'm sure we've all noticed that each constellation resembles something we see in each realm. Like how the GW is a sword and shield, and the valley is a pair of pedals?

[nova tiger]

yep!

[drifting copper]

the capes worn by the spirits were just regular capes and they couldn’t fly so we aren’t related to them

the constellations resemble the elders’ important heirlooms i suppose and what they contributed to each of their realms

like the paddles of the valley elders contributed to entertainment for the citizens of the Sky kingdom, the sword and shield of the wasteland elder contributed to the protection of the kingdom during the war and other things

[lofty trench]

I’m a noob to the lore so all of the realms the sky kids explored are all ruins of previous eras?

So where do the sky kids come from?

[humble barn]

the opening cutscene hints that the skykids were fallen from the sky, or from the clouds

[glass creek]

Not fallen, more like sent, from orbit

The opening cutscene tells you (the skykid) to “bring our lost stars home”, and in orbit you’re flying with all the spirits, like you’ve brought them back from some sort of middle realm between dead and alive.

Back to where they were supposed to go, and where you actually came from.

I just wonder who was the person, or being, that sent you in the first place, starting your whole cycle

[lofty trench]

Yeah

[humble barn]

Well the intro cutscene does not specifically say the narrator sent us to the world. She woke us up.

[lofty trench]

I guess the sky kids’ job isn’t over yet since they went through the cycle of resurrection from Eden

[short owl]

Maybe the job is over when they want it to be. Aside from being yeeted at the ground and having rocks pelted at you, it's not a bad job

You meet lots of friendly spirits and make lots of friends, and no one judges you for goofing off

[glass creek]

Do the skykids memory get wiped every time they’re reborn, though? And they just look at all the cosmetics they gathered in their previous lives and think, “oh cool! I wonder where all this stuff came from?”

[humble barn]

I think the statues in Eden are petrified skykids and our mission there is not over because we always die there saving friends and cannot even touch the red diamond, which all the petrified kids had apparently been trying to reach

[short owl]

You can get sooo close tho

[humble barn]

yeah and your friend's name that's the reason why I said cannot even touch

[lethal stump]

do y’all want a lore meme

[short owl]

Yeah I named them that cause we were after the impossible recharge station

They lit it. I have the post lighting pics.

[lethal stump]

impossible recharge station ?

[short owl]

The one in the unending storm

[lethal stump]

ah

theres like two of em i think

anyway
want a meme ?

[lofty trench]

Yes

[lofty trench]

Oof 😓

[lethal stump]

vault is tired of the kings diamond shenanigans

[lofty trench]

I see

This is unrelated but It got me thinking that the Eye of Eden is once a huge red diamond factory that’s radioactive and the Krills are Terminators. The Children of Light were prisoners...

[drowsy spoke]

Hm... radiosctiviry would explain the plant mutations

[cedar radish]

Has anyone noticed that after getting the orange light, the description for Forgotten Ark turns into ‘An enchanted pearl in the Golden Wasteland’? Maybe the spirits sort of settled down after their boat crashed.

[drowsy spoke]

I suppose we lay them to rest

We gave the spirits closure, so the forgotten ark isn't a mystery anymore

[tranquil thicket]

or maybe because we've restored it so much that it's no longer a mystery what was there

after all, the first one was "what was buried in the sand?" (which I really liked)

[normal berry]

Do the skykids memory get wiped every time they’re reborn, though? And they just look at all the cosmetics they gathered in their previous lives and think, “oh cool! I wonder where all this stuff came from?”
@glass creek I don't know if theres a confirmation that says so, but personally I'm going to say no they don't forget

[glass creek]

Yeah, I think so too. It makes more sense that they remember so they can guide others through everything

[carmine saffron]

Guys explain

[wind bone]

Bug

[sand abyss]

yup that’s definitely a bug for the krill who got stuck down there

[fading bear]

Does the "Eye" in "Eye of Eden" refer to the giant power diamond or the "eye of the storm"?

[unborn fog]

iirc it can refer to both, but i m not sure

[fading bear]

hmmm

[round musk]

I think there's a connection to be made between skykids and crabs

They are the only two non-neutral species that have physical bodies

My theory is that they are both vessels of their respective "element", but aren't naturally light or dark

Well I'm introducing a theory but go ahead

It doesn't look like a bug to me

It is a strange pattern to have on a teleportation shrine though

[unborn fog]

also i would try to keep that out of the lore discussion when theorizing is active please!

[round musk]

The social space shrines all must have been designed by Eden or something, so maybe this looks different because it's homemade by the enchantment spirits?

Or possibly it has that effect because it's made from a material only found in the wasteland

Anyway, back to my theory:

I think there's a connection to be made between skykids and crabs
@round musk
They are the only two non-neutral species that have physical bodies
@round musk
My theory is that they are both vessels of their respective "element", but aren't naturally light or dark
@round musk

In the intro, it almost looks like the skykid was already on the earth, or just rose out of the ground and got imbued with heavenly light essence

[digital prism]

@round musk yeah i agree! bc when your sky kid dies their spirit still floats around

so their body is gone but that was just the house or whatever for their spirit

[round musk]

In addition, many have pointed out that skykids' bodies seem to be made of wax. Wax is an earthly material, so it would make sense if skykids' bodies were forged from the earth

Crabs have a striking resemblance to rocks, and seem to be made of some stone-like material. It's possible they used to be just rocks but then got imbued with dark essence

[digital prism]

And it’s also interesting that now we have a crab emote as well so there’s probably some connection between crabs and the spirit we got it from

[round musk]

Probably we have crab emotes but not krill emotes because crabs are only carriers of darkness, whereas krill are just pure darkness

[digital prism]

Exactly

[round musk]

Also skykids can be killed by darkness, and crabs can be cooked by light

[digital prism]

ah yes

i gtg to work sorry... nice talking to you

[round musk]

Have fun!

[normal berry]

Also skykids can be killed by darkness, and crabs can be cooked by light
@round musk does somthing happen when you put crabs on a fire?

[round musk]

Maybe not if we try it, but there was a seasonal spirit who managed to cook crabs in the graveyard

The fire and spit are still there

[normal berry]

oh yes, i never saw the memory for that, which spirit is it i will look it up

also i really like the names of these guys. brave bud, ha

[celest spoke]

you can carry a crab to a fire and I think make it glow but they don’t die... giant wasteland krabob prolly died from yknow BEING SPEARED BY KABOB

[round musk]

We lose light when we get physically damaged (hitting something real hard), so does that mean crabs lose darkness when they get speared?

[celest spoke]

actually if you flip them and watch, dark flakes fall off— easiest to watch when holding, or with tame crabs in office so their friends don’t boop you

[round musk]

Interesting...

[celest spoke]

oh but if you hold them for too long, they flip in your hands

[round musk]

Do dark flakes form on crabs when they're not flipped or being held by a light creature?

I've never payed attention

Imma go study crab behavior brb

[celest spoke]

btw after they knock you over, if you stay down they don’t charge again

[unborn fog]

which map lemme go check

which floor

lol that s someone playing on the harp in the distance

[normal berry]

haha that would be cool if there was mysterious lurking around in the vault

I would look for it

[unborn fog]

cosmic krill in the vault

[normal berry]

I want more spooky stuff in sky

[sly kestrel]

Seems like u came to the wrong game if that’s what ur looking for

[unborn fog]

wasteland has entered the chat

[sly kestrel]

Siriacha lookin at wasteland

[normal berry]

basically haha

I've said this before but normally I play horror games so that's what I'm used to

The game is beautiful and i love everything about it

but somtimes I get starved of scary content

and yes jay, wasteland dosent even phase me

[glass creek]

Well now I want to play harry potter music in the vault and see what happens

[cobalt mortar]

I have a theory that somewhat similar to @round musk's but a little different.

Skychildren are not creatures of light. Rather we're creatures of darkness. Like the krill and dark crabs, we're attracted to light and can manipulate it. However, we have chosen to merely be vessels for the light rather than consumers of it.

We carry it, use it to fly, and return it in Eden. Unlike mantas, birds, butterflies, glowing mushrooms, and sky jellies we don't actually produce our own light. This is why we have to hold a candle, channeling some of the flame we've already collected, in order to light things rather than simply being near the thing.

The skychildren themselves are dark and do not glow, except for our eyes when we wear a mask that amplifies the light we're currently holding. Having all the light knocked out of us reveals our true form - black and cold.

At the very end of Eden, one final winged light embraces us, and does more than simply lend us their light. In fact, they join with us and we become truly a creature of light as we never were before. Now we glow. Now we can bust through buildings and rocks. Together with that final light's power, we become more than we ever were before.

[simple bronze]

a giant shield?🧐 (to the right)

[sly kestrel]

There’s another to the left

And duel swords

[carmine saffron]

I have a theory that somewhat similar to @round musk's but a little different.

Skychildren are not creatures of light. Rather we're creatures of darkness. Like the krill and dark crabs, we're attracted to light and can manipulate it. However, we have chosen to merely be vessels for the light rather than consumers of it.

We carry it, use it to fly, and return it in Eden. Unlike mantas, birds, butterflies, glowing mushrooms, and sky jellies we don't actually produce our own light. This is why we have to hold a candle, channeling some of the flame we've already collected, in order to light things rather than simply being near the thing.

The skychildren themselves are dark and do not glow, except for our eyes when we wear a mask that amplifies the light we're currently holding. Having all the light knocked out of us reveals our true form - black and cold.

At the very end of Eden, one final winged light embraces us, and does more than simply lend us their light. In fact, they join with us and we become truly a creature of light as we never were before. Now we glow. Now we can bust through buildings and rocks. Together with that final light's power, we become more than we ever were before.
@cobalt mortar

It makes sense to me
But why then if we finish light we die?
It may be because like krills we need it to survive

[sly kestrel]

I’m pretty sure we are meant to have light with us and our true form is when we are connected with it, and our “dark side” is jus us being empty without it. It doesn’t mean that it’s what we truly look like inside

[cobalt mortar]

@cobalt mortar

It makes sense to me
But why then if we finish light we die?
It may be because like krills we need it to survive
@carmine saffron I think so - pure light or pure darkness are static and unchanging. Everything moving and dynamic is on the spectrum somewhere in between. I'm also not so sure we die, per se, so much as simply stop. Having the light join us brings us back

I’m pretty sure we are meant to have light with us and our true form is when we are connected with it, and our “dark side” is jus us being empty without it. It doesn’t mean that it’s what we truly look like inside
@sly kestrel In a similar way, we could say that crabs and krill are probably meant to have light, they just go about acquiring it in a distinctly aggressive fashion 🙂

[sly kestrel]

Well darkness and light are a natural part of the world

Who knows, krill could be natural but naturally dark

[cobalt mortar]

Yup! And balance each other in interesting ways.

[sly kestrel]

What I’m saying tho is that not everything supposed to be in a form of light, not everything will glow and be good
A krill could jus be a simple dark being and not meant to a light creature at all

That’s like

Making a shark vegetarian

[cobalt mortar]

Interesting... I'm thinking that the point is that nothing is meant to be pure light or pure darkness. That there must be a gradient for there to be anything worth experiencing. Either extreme makes the world impossible to experience because there is no contrast at all. The balance for each creature may be more of one than the other, but for it to be alive (or "dynamic") it has to have at least a little of each to avoid being static

Krill may be 95% dark. Crabs 80%.

Birds 90% light, Mantas and butterflies 80%, Jellies 75%.

Numbers are arbitrary

I think, all told, skychildren are more than 50% dark

[real hinge]

I’ve been on Instagram lately but I keep seeing tiny/huge potions, does anyone know where to get them? They are super cool !

[tulip edge]

It's at the ark in wasteland after you had completed the seasonal tasks.

[real hinge]

Ohh okay, I thought those were just the regular resize potions

[steady tundra]

GUYS GUYS THE THING ABOUT WHATS UNDER ARK IS WRONG

this is under ark

and under it is a bottomless hole

and some polluted water

I almost lost some stars

" what was buried under the sand " NOTHING

[vestal solar]

does anyone have the picture of the timeline?

[unborn fog]

the scrapped timeline?

[vestal solar]

i dont know why but discord isnt letting me use the search bar hm

yeah

[unborn fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710644162990571581/714134261866692648/image0.jpg

this?

[vestal solar]

mhm! thank you!

[unborn fog]

yup!

[steady tundra]

idk if its true i dont have beta

[unborn fog]

cupcakes we already got it

[steady tundra]

mhm! thank you!
@vestal solar https://i.redd.it/6jl3rf18cit41.jpg heres a fan made one but almost close to the normal one

[unborn fog]

why henlo lyst

[drifting copper]

if anything, keep beta content out of here

[unborn fog]

honestly this chat is popping when i m sneping and when i m up it s literally dead silent sometimes

[steady tundra]

@vestal solar I found it

[drifting copper]

also whoever was the one to talk about things being % dark % light i feel like you don’t realise how things are formed in the sky world sjhdjddh

[unborn fog]

cupcakes we already posted it a while back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/710644162990571581/714134261866692648/image0.jpg
this

[drifting copper]

cupcake you are 8 minutes late

birds, mantas and whales all emerge from the clouds and dissolve into the clouds since they’re made out of light and the clouds give them a more solid form which makes them very flexible

[unborn fog]

@cobalt mortar this up here ⬆️

[drifting copper]

compared to krills, they’ve got jagged bodies and very slow movement because they emerged from the darkness which is more heavily weighted and hard to move around

[normal berry]

crabs sure are speedy tho

[drifting copper]

skykids are pure light but since they can’t have a permanent solid form from the clouds like the mantas they acquire a mix of darkness in them to create a balance and more permanent body

krills and crabs are actually really fast but only when charging

we have to take in account that they’ve probably been hibernating ever since the kingdom’s downfall and a decline in their natural food source which is light

i have a little theory about the whales as well but i don’t know if it fits or not yet

[steady tundra]

weird thing is when you touch the whale you take damage

[drifting copper]

but anyway they don’t have the energy to move fast ever since they woke up again because they’re trying to preserve energy

[normal berry]

makes sense

I wonder if there's a reason to why the sun doesn't provide any energy to skykids other than it would make the game less challanging?

[drifting copper]

the whale only makes you take damage when you go OOB but i have some reasons to believe they’re the top of the food chain of the creatures in sky

because the sun doesn’t actually give you light, it gives you heat

and heat usually bounces off on light i don’t remember science class anymore shdhdgdhs

or was it

ok i got it now sidhdjdhdheh

[normal berry]

i mean, the sun is no more than a big ball of gas and flames i think? idk, i always hated science

[drifting copper]

heat comes from everything that‘s warm and the heat makes visible light like how our sun does so maybe the skykids can’t recharge because it’s not hot enough??

[unborn fog]

no the sun radiates photons which contain kinetic energy which effectively on collision transfers kinetic energy to the object
so the sun radiates light

[drifting copper]

the sun’s made out of plasma djdhdjhd

[unborn fog]

did you just say the sun isn t hot enough

[drifting copper]

y e s

bet the sky star isn’t actually as hot as our sun skdhdhddh

[unborn fog]

let s pretend that sky is on mars for a sec and call it a day

[drifting copper]

because valley is so cold despite getting the most sun

KEHDJDHDIDHp

[unborn fog]

oh well light only comes from direct sources like fire and clouds iirc maybe some other things

[drifting copper]

it’s canon: sky takes place on mars

[normal berry]

i suppose then my theory was right, they just didnt want it to be too easy to get light energy

[unborn fog]

the sun isn t fire or a cloud soooooo...

[drifting copper]

fire, clouds and light creatures

sun ain’t any of these so

[normal berry]

the sun... puts off light tho

[drifting copper]

sky logic

[normal berry]

which is why everything isnt dark all the time

[drifting copper]

if anything the sky world would be 17 celcius at most and that’s not even h o t enough like a fire

[sturdy condor]

Science class

[drifting copper]

science class welcome JSVDJSHSH

[tulip wing]

I love this conversation

[normal berry]

i assumed we got energy from light and not heat

[sturdy condor]

I think it’s from both

[normal berry]

sky: children of the heat

[tulip wing]

Keep going, it's interesting haha

[drifting copper]

i think it’s more for heat atm

[normal berry]

I have one braincell

[drifting copper]

because skykids are already light

[sturdy condor]

After all our light recharges when we meet a wl

[drifting copper]

so why feed light to light

[split light]

[unborn fog]

well because our cape

we use light as energy

[normal berry]

because why have light when you can have more light

[drifting copper]

[unborn fog]

hence feeding time

[drifting copper]

KEHDJDHDJDH

[sturdy condor]

[drifting copper]

we absorb light and make it part of ourselves so we don’t really depend on light but more for heat cause we don’t lose stars but we lost energy

[normal berry]

I just think its cute to imagine little skykids sitting in the sun absorbing the light

[drifting copper]

light depends on heat to exist

so

ye a h

[unborn fog]

um not exactly...

but

ye a h

[sturdy condor]

And vice versa

[drifting copper]

kinda iffy but ye a h

[sturdy condor]

Heat can make light, and light can make heat

[drifting copper]

my theories are always iffy lmao

o yeah true

[unborn fog]

Heat can make light, and light can make heat
um

[drifting copper]

unless miles wants to explain physics didhejdh

[burnt dagger]

i mean we do glow super super bright during ||the section after eden and before orbit||

[unborn fog]

yes i will be happy to explain molecular physics and thermodymamics

oh preorbit

[normal berry]

sky children of the wind clouds and heat

[unborn fog]

fhasdhflkasjdk YES

[sturdy condor]

Atleast concentrated heat (fire) can make light and concentrated light (how you burned ants in 5th grade) can make heat

[drifting copper]

you don’t need to spoiler tag here sjdhdjhd

[normal berry]

WHO BURNS ANTS JKWDKW

WHATS WONG WITH-

[drifting copper]

JEHDJSHSHSEH BURNS ANTS

I DID NOT DO THA T

[sturdy condor]

B u r n

[burnt dagger]

oop- yeah I don’t type on channels much mb

[unborn fog]

Welcome!

[drifting copper]

so most of the things that exist in sky are concentrated light and heat oof

which might explain why krill and crab have heat sensors

[burnt dagger]

😮

[drifting copper]

or heat vision eidhddhhe

[burnt dagger]

g a s p

[normal berry]

anyways in conclusion: my theory is the reason why we don't take from the sun but take energy from the wind walls and clouds is because of this wonderful thing called game mechanics

[unborn fog]

and physics

[drifting copper]

and game logic

i do not get heat from the sun where are yall getting this free heat smh

[normal berry]

physics doesen't matter when your cute little sky star light people thingies

[drifting copper]

we light ghosts on fire

[normal berry]

jfsldakdjsacljcz

[unborn fog]

and collect light to stuff in our cape ajlsdjflkasjdfa

[sturdy condor]

Ok next lore discussion

I think we finished this one

[drifting copper]

anyone wanna ask a question that’s in their mind then

[burnt dagger]

wait.. so are instant recharge potions basically balls of condensed clouds (water?!)

this means that we’re spending 5 candles on a bottle of water

[sturdy condor]

I’m so confused on the map from vault to Eden

[drifting copper]

LMAO REN

[normal berry]

next lore: when am i gonna find a spirit to make them read the sacred text in the vault archives

[drifting copper]

you can ask grandpa spirit from belonging

[sturdy condor]

So vault is in the eden mountain, but how do you get into the bottom of Eden from vault

[drifting copper]

vault’s a tower

[normal berry]

theres a theory that vault is inside of the eden mountain

[unborn fog]

no it s embedded in mount eden

[sturdy condor]

Vault is also in Eden

[unborn fog]

[drifting copper]

and terraforming is different

[unborn fog]

hoo boy

[sturdy condor]

at the top of the mountain in orbit, you can see the final meditation place

[drifting copper]

o boi get ready for explanations from people

[sturdy condor]

Eden spoilers

[drifting copper]

you don’t need to spoiler tag here

[unborn fog]

this is a spoiler channel \

[normal berry]

which makes sense when you think that eden is a castle and the vault spirits look like nobles/ scholars

[sturdy condor]

Ye

[normal berry]

my bad "used to be"

[drifting copper]

some people say we’re not going through the realms in a straight timeline

[burnt dagger]

i mean i tried flying to mt eden from waste and vault but
waste: wind wall sigh
vault: never ending

[sly kestrel]

Oh boy what have I missed

[drifting copper]

so when we’re ascending to orbit that might’ve been the time the storm took everything away

a lot jay

a lot

we also had science class LMAO

[sly kestrel]

Anything good?

[normal berry]

@sly kestrel i decided to argue about the sun

[sturdy condor]

I believe yesterday, we had a discussion on how the scholars in ark were trying to bring/take knowledge to/from vault

[burnt dagger]

in vault it was cool because, after rocket jumping for 20 minutes, we could read the conversations that people were having in eden via table

[unborn fog]

some people asking for the lore of the game, the timeline

okay well technically-

[sly kestrel]

Hmmmm

[drifting copper]

then we talked about why the sun sucks at its job

[sly kestrel]

I believe you should kno that

The scholars AREE the enchantment spirits
That’s why they have the vault lanterns in there

[unborn fog]

yes the sun is not doing enough while its keeping 7 billion people alive

[sly kestrel]

Like a rockstar with his van
Of course he’s gonna dump all his guitars in stuff in there

[drifting copper]

LMAO

[normal berry]

you clearly haven't visited florida

[drifting copper]

ISVDSJHDJSH

[sturdy condor]

The sun is already keeping us alive and your here asking it give us recharge

[sly kestrel]

Ever been to Texas

[normal berry]

the sun is a deadly lazer

[drifting copper]

i didn’t demand though?

[normal berry]

[unborn fog]

jayyy

[sturdy condor]

Anyways, that was what u missed

[drifting copper]

[sly kestrel]

Well, ping me if someone brings up a rlly good theory or sum

Oh and if someone says diamond press

[normal berry]

also i said i was gonna make a spirit translate the archives or else...

[sly kestrel]

Ping me for that too

[drifting copper]

at least we didn’t do the weird loop of power diamonds and battlefield sdjdndbdj

[normal berry]

diamond press

[sturdy condor]

We’re about to discuss geography rn

[drifting copper]

geography time guys

[normal berry]

no more science!!!!

[sly kestrel]

Sky earth is flat

[burnt dagger]

sand, grass, dirty water, clean water. much cloud.

[normal berry]

sky: children of the flatearthers

[drifting copper]

because we’re in the clou d s that’s why it’s fl a t

LMAO

[normal berry]

oop-

[burnt dagger]

lmao

[drifting copper]

I SAW THAT

[sturdy condor]

Oop

[sly kestrel]

[drifting copper]

we can use you as an ironing board smh

[unborn fog]

your science boy is back

[burnt dagger]

do you ever wonder what would happen if the elders decided to switch realms

[drifting copper]

professor miles what are you gonna teach us today

[cobalt mortar]

Sky earth is flat
@sly kestrel You can see the curve of the horizion if you fly high enough, even in Sky 🌐

[sturdy condor]

How do you get from the top of vault to the base of Eden if there is a hallway directly connecting them and the top of vault is near orbit

[drifting copper]

chaos ren just chaos

[sly kestrel]

What makes u think the elders never been to the other realms 👀

@sly kestrel You can see the curve of the horizion if you fly high enough, even in Sky 🌐
@cobalt mortar ....I was joking

[cobalt mortar]

Cool 🙂

[unborn fog]

yeah like in valley you can actually see about 30 degrees of a curvature if you fly over the ice rink

[sly kestrel]

I’ve seen the curve before

[cobalt mortar]

I just find it need that they programmed that, or at least the rendering works that way

Yeah

[burnt dagger]

im just imagining in waste: the valley twins fighting each other instead of the krill

[sturdy condor]

Lmao

[normal berry]

yeah like in valley you can actually see about 30 degrees of a curvature if you fly over the ice rink
minecraft being real quiet rn

[drifting copper]

vault vault struggling to keep things in order at valley

[burnt dagger]

[drifting copper]

forest aunt wrecking vault smh

[burnt dagger]

true cHaoS

[drifting copper]

isle elder too busy telling stories to the workers at forest

[normal berry]

wasteland elder like : AAAAAA WAR HKDKDKSDKCJV

[unborn fog]

wasteland elder in prairie

[drifting copper]

prairie elder naps through everything LMAO

[burnt dagger]

lmaoo

[sturdy condor]

Lmao

[drifting copper]

anyway i wonder what the elders’ relationships with each other are

[sturdy condor]

The ogs

[drifting copper]

cause they knew each other before falling

[sly kestrel]

siblings

[burnt dagger]

true true

[drifting copper]

i

s i b l i n g s

[normal berry]

eden elder: ⚰️

[drifting copper]

JEJDBDKDDHES

[unborn fog]

i think someone once said that vault and wasteland elder were in a relationship-

[sturdy condor]

Does Eden even have an elder

[unborn fog]

ALSDKFJLAKJL THE KING

[drifting copper]

SJDBDBDEHBDJD

[burnt dagger]

I wonder what they think of the other spirits in their constellation

[sly kestrel]

It was a concept but we dunno if he still exist

[sturdy condor]

Wait there’s a k i n g

[drifting copper]

PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT VAULT VAULT AND EDEN ELDER WERE IN A RELATIONSHIP

[burnt dagger]

btw im just putting up a bunch of “i wonders”

wahhh

[normal berry]

@sturdy condor if there is he dead. eden elder = king

[sly kestrel]

But I would say they are..... acquaintances

[drifting copper]

eden elder and the king aren’t the same i think

[sly kestrel]

Ye

Scrapped concept

[normal berry]

acquaintances?

[sturdy condor]

But where do you even find the eden elder

[drifting copper]

king still technically exists with the many statues

[sturdy condor]

Is there even one

[normal berry]

you ddont

[sly kestrel]

If he is current canon I will step on a lego and go jump off a cliff

[unborn fog]

the statues in battlefield are all of the king

jay that isn t family friendly-

[normal berry]

yeah he's implied though statues

[drifting copper]

eden elder’s dead he’s gone we can’t save him

[burnt dagger]

what if the little light dude that you hug is the eden king elder boi

[sturdy condor]

But aren’t they all dead

[drifting copper]

eden elder also technically exists because they didn’t say they were scrapped but just said couldn’t be saved anymore

so maybe in a different timeline they existed

[burnt dagger]

ooo

[drifting copper]

also silver only the spirits are dead

[sturdy condor]

Imagine all the veterans finding out tgc is adding an eden elder

[drifting copper]

the elders are trapped in another world

[sturdy condor]

Oh

[drifting copper]

so they’re in a limbo of sorts

[normal berry]

eden elder’s dead he’s gone we can’t save him
in the words of hall & oats: 🎶 hes gooooOOoone🎶

[sturdy condor]

And they need light to return to the real world?

[drifting copper]

anyway i’ll be getting off now lmao

[sturdy condor]

Ok

Byee

[normal berry]

bye

[unborn fog]

bye lyst

[sturdy condor]

Are we done with geography

Oop, nobody here anymore

[normal berry]

unless theres more lore to offer ima run away to #general-sky-discussion 🏃‍♀️

[sturdy condor]

Erm, how about the subject of history

[normal berry]

history huh?

[sturdy condor]

Basically a timeline ig

[normal berry]

there is no canon timeline but theres an old old one in the pinned messages

but basically what i got from the canon lore is: stars(elders and stuff) fell, they made a society, started making power diamonds, someone didnt listen, big power diamond in eden got overloaded somehow, eden diamond went boom and then extinction :((

aight im off to homework

[burnt dagger]

but basically what i got from the canon lore is: stars(elders and stuff) fell, they made a society, started making power diamonds, someone didnt listen, big power diamond in eden got overloaded somehow, eden diamond went boom and then extinction :((
@normal berry
remembers dr stone

[steady tundra]

the diamond must be made from dark stone and was overloaded by fire @normal berry

[sturdy condor]

Ye

[sly kestrel]

no

[unborn fog]

oop-

[sly kestrel]

[frigid crown]

[unborn fog]

hi reika!

how r u?

[frigid crown]

herro!

[sly kestrel]

Hi reikaaaa

[unborn fog]

jay calm down

[sly kestrel]

I choked on my sandwich when the blue username popped up

[unborn fog]

[frigid crown]

please chew

[sly kestrel]

How are you today?

[frigid crown]

busy day today!

should probably not be on discord

[sly kestrel]

😮

But, devs gotta take breaks tooooo

[frigid crown]

🙂

🙃

[spring blaze]

hullo reika

[frigid crown]

hi ginsy!!

[unborn fog]

ello ginsy

[hushed steeple]

Hi Reika

Hope you are well! Awesome job on the game! I'll get back on topic though now

[noble talon]

omg

[uncut bone]

Mmm

[hushed steeple]

Where can I read up on the lore of Sky?

Would like to run a D&D session in it's world

[unborn fog]

check the pins

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE

[round river]

Is there any lore about sneak stance?
Bcs i was wondering about what if the krill being a dark creatures from beginning and not bcs of corruption 🤔

[sly kestrel]

I believe she is a survivor of wasteland. Someone that survived the events of the war or the eden explosion and it’s obvious that krill were around when she was alive so this is where I got the “survivor” vibe

Seems to be hiding in the enormous creature carcass so this proof that the graveyard’s bodies were dead for a rlly long time

[desert sun]

oh yeaaa i didnt think about that

[round river]

I see
That's mean the spirits in GW mostly are the survivors of war and explosion

[celest spoke]

You’re assuming they survived

Oh not quite lore but if you try to fly from Forest social straight over clouds twd Eden, the relative direction of the sun goes nuts wrt right/left of Eden, much more than you’d expect from the distances involved

[zinc slate]

I don't know if anyone have already discussed this and have an answer bout it.
I wondered now, why are all the animal we seen most of them are from sea, especially have electricity as their strength.. i mean, those glowing jellyfishes, mantas we can charged because they have the energy right?

So.. do you guys think there's an answer as why there are a lot of sea animals in sky??
This thinking occurred me when I just sitting beside jellyfish thinking why am I not get stung by it...

[west yacht]

I think tgc just likes sea critters :p

[celest spoke]

Bioluminescence is different from electricity tho

[zinc slate]

Hmmmm my bad :"

But still why lol

[unborn fog]

Probably the antithesis of sea creatures in the sky

Also sea creatures are easier to animate and rig

[round river]

This reminds me of Abzu
I remember someone says that some of Sky devs are also a part of Abzu before🤔
It's like they combine all from Flower, Abzu and Journey into one story
Which is Sky

[sly kestrel]

I heard it was Bc it was easier to animate and they liked the flowy feel of sea creatures

[near mural]

I wonder what different dark creatures there were or are

Bcuz there was definently more then 2

[zinc slate]

Hmmm i see... I thought there's some reason for the lore :"3
Okay! Thanks everyone

[sly kestrel]

?

[odd igloo]

What is this?

I see this first time

[cobalt palm]

I believe it used to be part of an old quest, but it was before android beta, so I didn't see it myself

[pliant agate]

Hi. Does anyone tell me if there is a butterfly pot as an accessory?

[spring blaze]

there isnt

[pliant agate]

A spirit of || the office || I had it, and I think I saw it on a YouTube video, was it a fake?

[spring blaze]

an office spirit does have it yes, but you can’t buy anything from the office spirits. when you relieve their memories, it only tells a story and that’s it

there isnt a butterfly pot item sadly

[pliant agate]

I can't put the name of the youtuber, but could it be that when I use the pot as an accessory it was for doing illegal things?

Sorry if you don't understand, I am using the translator, what I mean is, is this person manipulated the game?

[spring blaze]

ah, i think i know who you’re talking about. then the person manipulated the game to put the butterfly jar as an accessory. we can’t talk about hacks here!

[pliant agate]

I don't want to hack, I just wanted to know about the pot.

[spring blaze]

i think i know who the youtuber you’re talking about. he hacked the pot into the game, but there isn’t an actual pot item in game.

[pliant agate]

Thank you, I am not going to investigate the subject

[spring blaze]

you’re welcome!

[sly kestrel]

The v word

[spring blaze]

yes

[hollow pier]

All the items the spirits have on their backs (pick, butterfly jar, etc) are items in the files that live in the same place as instruments in the game files

[round musk]

So from everything I've pieced together about the Child of Light and whatnot, it seems pretty clear that skykids are the new incarnation of the Eden elder.

[sturdy condor]

Im listening

[round musk]

Winged light are left behind by Child of Light, who appears in the intro in the place for the Eden elder. In Eden before we die we give winged light to fallen skykids as replacement souls. If skykid souls are made of bits of the long lost Eden elder's soul, then you could say that skykids are all collectively the new Eden elder.

[sturdy condor]

So if you find a way to combine them, they would be the eden elder reincarnated

[round musk]

Exactly

So the reason we "shepherd the light through the storm" is because we need to bring all skykids back home so that the final star is reunited with the light.

I'm sure this isn't a new theory but no one seemed to be talking about it so I thought I'd put it out there

[sturdy condor]

New ending to eden, you find the reincarnated king and he gives you ascended candles depending on how much light you gave to him

[round musk]

Basically that is what happens

The skykids are collectively the king, so the ascended candles represent our own reconnection with the light

[sturdy condor]

Or, the sky kids are what gives him energy, so the more energy you give him, the more he is able to make and give to you

[round musk]

Nah the king is dead; I think it's only us now

[sturdy condor]

Ye

Us and the other alive skykids

[round musk]

Ye

In the intro the light that falls down to awaken the skykids is coming from just above where the Eden elder was, implying that this is when the king finally died, spreading some bits of his soul across the realms (winged light), while the rest of his soul pieces became the souls of skykids.

When they say the Eden elder is beyond saving, I think he died a lot more recently than we expect: at the start of the game.

This theory also explains why Child of Light and children of light have such similar names: because they're parts of the same thing.

[round musk]

Basically skykids are a result of the king 'starting over' and bringing an era of collective unity rather than selfishness.

That's my whole theory; please bring any constructive criticism to the table

I also have a theory about spirits based on the cave murals in isle, if people want to hear that too

[humble barn]

weeee yeeeeees

Though I think the Eden elder had been dead for some time, because in the opening cutscene the narrator said "A long time has passed. Now, I call to you. Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home."

[full yacht]

I wanna hear the theory! @round musk

Sounds cool👀

[dapper pond]

Hello!!
I want to ask, do the sky kids exist when the civilization still standing? (Before them fall) Since I'm curious on how long the sky kid statues at Eden have been there for...
Sorry for my bad English, I use translator

[full yacht]

I was wondering

What’s the difference between stars and winged light? Or should I put this question in #questions-and-help ?

[ember zodiac]

The king is the eden elder

What’s the difference between stars and winged light? Or should I put this question in #questions-and-help ?
@full yacht winged light are the shiny bois. They were called stars in old versions

However the stars in the intro cutscene refer to the elders

Nah the king is dead; I think it's only us now
@round musk U hug the king after dying... The child of light at end of Eden

[marsh onyx]

@round musk I have the same almost theory

[humble barn]

@dapper pond No they didn't , and I think the skykids statues in Eden have been there relatively recently, after the fall of civilization. Skykids came after the fall. My headcanon says the skykids existed with the civilization in some sense, but not exactly as the same person

[marsh onyx]

In short, I understood from the ENT: there was light (the one where there are many birds, and a circle when we fly in Eden), but darkness came. No one knows and will not tell you where it came from, it is as natural as night and day, light and darkness. If there is light, then there will be darkness. And this darkness began to fill the constellations gradually, separating them and unhooking them. As a result, when the main star (elder) fell, the constellation disappeared, and small stars showered after them (in the house, by the way, in the constellation you can see how many stars there are, they correspond to the number of children in the locations, why instead of a circle there is just a star, well, here are spirits + simple stars - a constellation comes out). And these elders decided to build a new house. But now far from the light, they did not hear his "call." Their strength was in unity, but initially having lost their "home", they scattered and each created his own "era". We, as children of the light, need to revive these eras. Like we are little insignificant stars that have to go through all this and bring light to the house in the sky. Well, after that, each civilization lived its own way, because of the loss of unity, darkness began to constantly fill their worlds. For example, on Isle of Dawn, an elder points the way to a nascent storm that is not yet so strong. This is the first starting point, and the elder is the oldest of all. He is still thinking about how to get everything back. This, by the way, is the only lock where the light is almost empty and deserted. Like, they fumbled what was needed, and therefore did not bathe about the arrangement of the island. They knew that it was necessary to collect the light and take it “upstairs”. On the prairie, the light "blooms." They begin to collect the moths that light generated, to grow plants, so everything is fine and fine there.

[dapper pond]

@dapper pond No they didn't , and I think the skykids statues in Eden have been there relatively recently, after the fall of civilization. Skykids came after the fall. My headcanon says the skykids existed with the civilization in some sense, but not exactly as the same person
@humble barn I see... Thank you!!

[marsh onyx]

My 2 part don’t want to be sent

[dapper pond]

Maybe it too long

[marsh onyx]

It’s okay

Maybe it has some information that is not appropriate to the topic

[cold steppe]

if it's over 2000 characters, Discord won't let it upload

if it has profanity or other bad things, the filter sometimes catches it

[zealous sedge]

@marsh onyx your part two contained a profanity so the bot was wiping it. You can post it once you’ve edited the word out.

[abstract crypt]

Are all Krills the same or do they have a mother Krill or some kind of a leader? I just had a thought of it.

[humble barn]

so far, I've never seen someone spotting distinct variations in krill

I think it's a cool idea though. Some creatures in Sky do have variations, so why not krill

[abstract crypt]

I had a thought of Krills have a Mother Krill who is massively large like the Krakken and has its own lair deep in Wasteland

[normal berry]

big concept dark creature with teeth

[cold steppe]

I think that was more concept art than beta content

[normal berry]

[cold steppe]

some days i feel like we were robbed

but also those look scary

[normal berry]

we were robbed of scary

[cold steppe]

it really is interesting to see the progression of ideas to what the game is now though

[normal berry]

yes it is, the concepts were a little unclear imo

[sly kestrel]

Hmmm not much of a krill concept

It’s jus a concept of dark creatures that were thought of

[cold steppe]

yeah

[normal berry]

fixed it

[celest spoke]

Eden krills can quick-drain the light from you just by passing too close without noticing, not even a direct hit; non-Eden krills just activate an automatic duck/cringe reflex (without draining) at the same range, like hanging out in certain safe spots in Wasteland where they cruise just under you

[visual knoll]

We really need to learn a lot more about the story

Like what happened to wasteland? What are the red crystals in eden? Who is the elder with the crown?

[cold steppe]

there's some theories that attempt to explain it

[sly kestrel]

🤜🏻

[cold steppe]

hi jay

what's with the fist. it feels vaguely threatening

[humble barn]

[vague plover]

@visual knoll I would suggest using the search bar for these questions. Most of them have been theorized on and you may find some pretty nice theories. Also pins is a good place to look.

[visual knoll]

Alrighty

[round musk]

I wanna hear the theory! @round musk
@full yacht Ok here goes:

Humans (I'll just be referring to the spirit species as humans) originated from the earth, and therefore would have been neutral creatures (neither light nor dark). If humans were earthly creatures, then there is no reason for their spirits to remain when they die. The concept of spirits usually has religious roots, seeing as it describes the part of people that have a connection with a higher power. In the world of Sky, spirits would have to have had some kind of connection with the light in order to leave behind spirits that could connect with the light.

Here's where the murals come in:

In the cave murals in Isle, we see humans catch falling lights from the sky and take them to the elder to be returned to the sky. I believe this is symbolic of humans being bestowed with heavenly spirits, and then being directed to Eden by the elder so that they can die and take their place among the stars.

This would explain how spirits are able to ascend to the sky, as well as why spirits give you light when you're near them.

[regal prism]

@round musk that's a good theory

[round musk]

The spirits that we save are the ones that chose not to bring their spirit to the sky, and instead settled down and made lives for themselves in the earthly world.

We have to help them realize their mistakes and take their rightful place in their constellations. We do this by bringing them to the elder of the realm they lived in, and showing them that the person who led them astray is willing to make amends for their actions and return with them to the sky.

[sturdy condor]

So the stars in constellations that don’t have a spirit represent the people who have returned to the sky?

[round musk]

Yeah, I guess that makes sense

Also in the intro, the constellations are there in the stars along with the elders. I believe those lights fell and became the spirits of the humans who were living on earth.

So basically there are two types of stars: elder stars and spirit stars

[sturdy condor]

Also, the elder stars are always the one closest to the center of the constellation (except for isle and forest)

[round musk]

Though I think the Eden elder had been dead for some time, because in the opening cutscene the narrator said "A long time has passed. Now, I call to you. Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home."
@humble barn What I believe it's actually saying is that a long time has past while the elders wasted away, wallowing in their mistakes as the abandoned kingdom crumbles to ruin, until finally the Eden elder dies and disperses bits of his soul everywhere, creating the skykids

[cold steppe]

I think the devs have established that the spirits were already inhabiting the world of Sky

[round musk]

Yes, as earthly humans

But then spirits of light fell from the sky and became one with them

[cold steppe]

I think the question is if the word "spirit" is used synonymously with "soul" or with "ghost"

because that could pull the lore one way or the other

[round musk]

There wouldn't really be a reason for the humans to form ghosts that are light in nature, seeing as humans are naturally neutral

[random dome]

Since they're dead, it could be interesting if the chrysalis we burn away is their physical body from a Pompeii-type event that killed them. Their spirits that we follow are tied to those forms and we have to destroy it, destroying the physical thing tying them to this world, so that they can leave

[round musk]

That's actually a really interesting idea

[sturdy condor]

Yeah

[cold steppe]

I don't think that's where they died, just a particular memory of theirs

[uncut bone]

@round musk damn bro

[cold steppe]

much like the temple isn't actually a temple. it's just sort of a favorite place of the elder

[uncut bone]

Nice theory

[humble barn]

I don't think we are destroying physical things, because we see nothing solid until we see their memories

[sturdy condor]

And then it was turned into a temple after they fell

[cold steppe]

I believe it's implied that they fell and lived with the spirits

[round musk]

That ties into my theory as well, because it was their earthly attachments that caused them to be unable to return from the sky. The Eden explosion was directly linked to those earthly attachments, so it makes sense that that's specifically what trapped them

[cold steppe]

could be wrong

[humble barn]

@humble barn What I believe it's actually saying is that a long time has past while the elders wasted away, wallowing in their mistakes as the abandoned kingdom crumbles to ruin, until finally the Eden elder dies and disperses bits of his soul everywhere, creating the skykids
@round musk Yeah I just have a different opinion on when "a long time" occurred

[cold steppe]

also the Eden elder hasn't really been confirmed in-game

it was more of a concept

[sturdy condor]

Yeah but we’re trying to find what he would be if he was ingame

[round musk]

Tell me: how much of what we talk about here is confirmed in-game?

[sturdy condor]

We start off with something ingame then do a whole bunch of stuff that ends in something the game hasn’t even mentioned once

[humble barn]

I am calling the person with halo in the opening cutscene "the Eden elder" because he's depicted with the Eden castle while other stars (confirmed to be elders) are located on temples of non-Eden realms.

[cold steppe]

I agree with that, especially since they have what looks like a crown

but it's kind of hard to theorize because of the lack of actual lore/evidence for it

pretty sure that what would have been the Eden constellation is now the favorite friends constellation

[normal berry]

crown? new mask idea? give 🖐️

[cold steppe]

which can kind of imply that the Eden elder may not be in the game, but who knows

[sturdy condor]

Which actually can help prove our theory even more I just realized

[humble barn]

we know that the Eden elder is not around to be saved anymore

[sturdy condor]

The goals of our friends is to get the winged light as well and give it the the lost ones

[round musk]

@round musk U hug the king after dying... The child of light at end of Eden
@ember zodiac The Child of Light is basically the collective essence of all the skykids, imo. It's confirmed that the Eden elder is beyond saving, so the col we hug must be a representation of what's left of his soul (in other words, the collective soul of all the skykids)

[humble barn]

I think "the Eden elder is not around to be saved anymore" is a strange statement if the Eden elder had never existed in the world of Sky

[cold steppe]

didn't someone confirm that the child of light was connected to us though?

[normal berry]

i'm sure they had existed at some point

[sturdy condor]

Yeah

[round musk]

The Child of Light is us

[sturdy condor]

As well as our friends

[round musk]

Just a representation of all of us combined

[sturdy condor]

Has anyone payed attention to the theory I just put out

[round musk]

Which theory?

[sturdy condor]

The goals of our friends is to return the winged lights to the lost ones

And the favorite friends list is in the shape of a crown

So the friends we make along the way is a part of the eden elder aswell

[humble barn]

I believe the statues in Eden are fellow skykids but I also think saving them is just a side mission

[round musk]

Exactly

I explain all of this in my next to most recent theory

[cold steppe]

in old beta they used to be fellow skykids

but that was since taken out

at least, the names were

[humble barn]

yeah but even so they look like skykids

[round musk]

Oh I see what you mean

[humble barn]

I think it doesn't have to be friends as long as they are skykids

[cold steppe]

I know someone had a theory that the ones to save were sort of a pre-skykid race

but it could also make sense that they're also current skykids

since we see our friends and the ones we saved on the way to orbit, and they look similar

[round musk]

Our two singular missions though are to return the lost stars to the sky and to shepherd the light through Eden

[sturdy condor]

And the knowledge they passed down, winged light, helps us to get to the end and return their spirits to them

[cold steppe]

were spirits referred to as stars? I can't remember
I know the stars in the opening were the elders

[humble barn]

Our true mission has something to do with the giant red diamond,

[round musk]

Well we don't really interact w/ it in Eden so I doubt that

[sturdy condor]

The giant red diamond is a part of the lore

[humble barn]

because the petrified skykids were apparently trying to reach the diamond

[cold steppe]

and it was confirmed that the power diamonds contributed to the destruction of the civilization

[sturdy condor]

Time table time

[cold steppe]

that's concept art though

[sturdy condor]

Someone posted it in here once before

[cold steppe]

it's really not the current lore

[humble barn]

The time table has no red diamond

[cold steppe]

the backstory concept included megabird as well

[sturdy condor]

The ark mentioned may have turned into the diamond

[undone steppe]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/559164334622900235/722733716178206740/image0.png

[cold steppe]

the Ark is in Wasteland though

I think they're unconnected

[sturdy condor]

Different ark

[cold steppe]

in a way

[humble barn]

they said "The ark mentioned may have turned into the diamond"

[cold steppe]

ah, that one

[round musk]

Maybe there was one skykid who thought: I wanna see if I can touch the big red diamond! So now every other skykid has died in the process of trying to reach that one skykid and it's just become a whole thing now

[cold steppe]

sorry, I misunderstood

[humble barn]

and I think it's possible

the concept of ark in tomcept might have turned into the huge red diamond in Eden

[cold steppe]

agreed

[sturdy condor]

We were the only one able to get the winged lights to them

[cold steppe]

but would it be more like it was a repurposed idea or the ark was actually the diamond

if that makes sense

as the timeline mentions megabird, the king, and the ferryman

[humble barn]

probably repurposed, and changed around a lot

because I don't think they made the red diamond to flee from angry creatures

[sturdy condor]

The ancestors did destroy the ark soooo

The remanants May have come together and made the diamond

[humble barn]

the creatures destroyed the tomcept ark

[sturdy condor]

Oh

Wait, I didn’t read through it thouroughly yet

[cold steppe]

Elder creatures

I believe the tomcept refers to Ancients and Ancestors rather than elders

[sturdy condor]

Yeah o was kinda skimming through it and ig I read it as normal elders

[cold steppe]

which means that a lot of things were changed

looking over it again, I believe the Ancestors were the elders and the Ancients were the spirits in the tomcept

but now we have elders and spirits

[humble barn]

yeah I think some other concept art pics also use those terms: Ancestors and Ancients

[round musk]

Should I enter my Skykids=Eden Elder Theory and my Star-Spirit theory into the vault?

[sturdy condor]

Ok

[cold steppe]

hi jay

[sly kestrel]

Tell me: how much of what we talk about here is confirmed in-game?
@round musk

The Child of Light is us
@round musk the child of light is a completely separate being than us. The one that created the imprints around the world and most likely the narrator and the one who created us, or sent us down to bring back the elders

[sturdy condor]

Then why not he just give all the winged light to us automatically

[round musk]

How do you know it's a separate being?

I see it as a symbol of our collective essence

[cold steppe]

from the pinned lore
Winged light: “Throughout the world there are these imprints this child of light, a character you are connected to and have a relationship with” frequently called shiny bois by devs and in one later livestream “shiny bois” is referred to as something they should maybe not say while streaming, spoiler maybe?

the devs have said we're connected to it, and not the same