lore-discussion-spoilers

[cold steppe]

Mochiii

[round musk]

The trees being petrified wood explains why they haven't eroded under the acid rain

[cold steppe]

True

I don’t remember if there was something about petrification or not

I’ll go search it

[humble barn]

They are cloud trees so the clouds are their leaves

[cold steppe]

Thanks Mochi

[hushed steeple]

That could be true, or the clouds aren’t actually part of the tree at all, they just form around the trees because of air currents

[round musk]

I wonder if the clouds covering the forest are actually a form of smog created by diamond production, hence why the rain is damaging

[hushed steeple]

That sounds promising

[cold steppe]

Ooh that would make sense

[celest spoke]

Whenever you see the tops of the big trees they’re just... cylinders with no branches, like if you turn around and look above Forest social area on the way down, or Sunny Forest overhead OOB

[humble barn]

then comes the question why the clouds recharge our light

[hushed steeple]

That’s why I’m thinking the trees are petrified

[cold steppe]

Yeah, that’s the thing about the clouds

[humble barn]

what we see in OOB is not designed to be seen

[hushed steeple]

Well, I think there are clouds, which recharge your light, but the smog is something else entirely

[celest spoke]

Trees might’ve been stonelike material to start with

[hushed steeple]

True

[cold steppe]

They kind of sound stone-like

[celest spoke]

Overhead social area tho?

[cold steppe]

When you run across them

[humble barn]

the term "cloud tree" is probably not in the game now but I think it's still true because the cloud trees are drawn in murals in game

[celest spoke]

Dunno what splains the branched saplings in Ark area and Vault’s Forest analogue level

[humble barn]

imo the cloud tree design is most evident in prairie above the 8 ppl puzzle

[hushed steeple]

That’s why I was saying air currents

[humble barn]

the vault tree actually had some leaves in a spirit's cutscene and that's nagging me actually

[hushed steeple]

True

Maybe it’s a different kind of tree?

[humble barn]

yeah that's possible

[hushed steeple]

Cause only the smaller trees have branches or leaves, maybe the bigger ones are petrified but the smaller ones are not cause it’s after the disaster

[cold steppe]

Also vault is supposed to be somewhat dreamlike

Is it real or is it not, basically

[celest spoke]

Hmm random question— what are our bonfire logs made of? Same trees?

[hushed steeple]

Ok random off topic question, is there a theory about what the civil war in wasteland was about?

Aight

[humble barn]

there are tons of theories about the war. enter "civil war" in search bar

[hushed steeple]

Aight

[sly kestrel]

Um

Well it’s a bit more than that

To simple it up a bit

[hushed steeple]

Oki

[sly kestrel]

Bad guys had bad technology that involved death of creatures and it was artificial tech

[celest spoke]

Pondering an unseen stage of the war where the barricades were meant to keep out crabs the size of tanks

[sly kestrel]

Good guys supported natural light

So they fought

[pulsar ice]

hello everyone i mean not to interrupt but i just had the most satisfying revelation

[sly kestrel]

Hm?

[pulsar ice]

i know a lot of ppl were a tad bit suprised that the orange light didn't make the boat in ark start flying again or something

[hushed steeple]

K cause I had a theory where it was over food. I don’t know if it makes sense, but I’d think the people would hunt Wales, but then it turns out they wreren’t supposed to so the Wales almost went extinct (hence bones in boneyard) so it was a fight over resources, which might involve light somehow

[sly kestrel]

Idk who to listen to

[pulsar ice]

idk, we don't have much evidence that sky ppl ate, let alone had mouths

[sly kestrel]

But keep going

What was ur
revelation

[celest spoke]

Beg spirit hunting krabab tho

[pulsar ice]

ok it's honestly not that big lol, but it hit me at the boat in ark crashed into the ground because it got hit by a krill (there is a krill at the very beginning of the area, krill depicted at the end of murals), just like shipwreck ("krill horn" seen stuck into ship, also a krill circling around there too)

[sly kestrel]

I don’t think it’s a krill horn

They don’t have physical bodies

[pulsar ice]

that might just be a funky layering thing, we're not supposed to really touch them anyways

[celest spoke]

I think violet means the zigzags in shipwreck, not the whatever in ark?

[pulsar ice]

very angery? like a football player shoving lots of ppl

what?

[celest spoke]

pfft how does a goose crash a jetplane, or a deer crash a car?

[humble barn]

just skip the crash part

[pulsar ice]

krill are known for crashing the lights out of you, literally, their size isn't so small compared to the ships

[celest spoke]

Damage to crucial engine bits or pilot overreaction

[pulsar ice]

i mean the ships have literally been split in half, both ark and shipwreck

[sly kestrel]

It was shown that the storm caused it to crash

And the impact is most likely what caused most of the damage

[celest spoke]

Ships might’ve broken on impact from high fall, not just krill momentum

[sly kestrel]

I think they found the existence of the krill after they fell

[pulsar ice]

ohhhhh

aww rats

[sly kestrel]

Cuz it was on the back

[pulsar ice]

rats.

[sly kestrel]

🐀

[pulsar ice]

so much for my eureka moment haha

[sly kestrel]

Mochi u should talk instead of react to messages

Share ur thoughts

[humble barn]

oh I thought revelation part comes after the crash part

i will talk when there's no reaction to convey my thought

[pulsar ice]

poor spirits...

[sly kestrel]

Maybe they have nightmares of it every night

[pulsar ice]

they got mega s p o o k e d

[sly kestrel]

Though it would be cool
Seeing a dark creature and having its presence stuck in ur head

Haven’t thought of this actually

The “death stare” of a krill

[celest spoke]

Actually I should go back in and look around Ark again— the stall in the front looks very much like mini-Vault (and blocks access to small cave underneath)

[pulsar ice]

man, even i have trouble drawing krill and i'm so scared of them that whenever i get spot i close the game, i don't even wanna imagine how the spirits felt

[sly kestrel]

Oh they have the vault lanterns Bc they are scholars

[pulsar ice]

yes. intellectuals

they got big brain

[celest spoke]

Shelves are now built up where no shelves before

[sly kestrel]

I don’t think it’s possible to fix the boat.....even if they tried
6 tiny lil guys fixing a 1000000 ton boat

[pulsar ice]

nah, they just need some f l e x t a p e

[sly kestrel]

🤜🏻

Go flex tape

They were stuck

Pretty sure that’s why they decided to adapt and live on the island

And maybe mushrooms were their food

That’s why play fight spirit got mad at the farmer

“u IDIOT THAT WAS MY LUNCH “

[celest spoke]

Oh gosh just realized they must’ve tried to ride out the storm by anchoring back by where farm is now, but got capsized all the way where they are now

So many mini boats around ark area tho

[pulsar ice]

them

[sly kestrel]

Haha

And in my view, I think this boats were from ppl who discovered the island before the ark scholars

Maybe

⚔️

[celest spoke]

Poor light quest spirit gonna be stuck there forever now

[sly kestrel]

Heyyyy he chose to stay with us cuz he loves us

[sly kestrel]

....though he will be gone once season ends

[pulsar ice]

turban spirit was so amused by our table endeavors, he just couldn't leave

[sly kestrel]

Would be amazing if all the quest givers decided to have dinner at the dinner table in forest

[humble barn]

he'll stay in the Ark for light quests

[celest spoke]

Thought the light quests to restore the ark were gonna last into future gameplay?

[sly kestrel]

Oh yea they will

Hm I wonder how that will work

[celest spoke]

So light quest spirit gotta stay for that, no?

[sly kestrel]

Does that mean turbo is gonna stay forever? :0

[celest spoke]

That’s what I meant

[rain olive]

The turban will be gone

It's just the light quests that stay

[sly kestrel]

Someone will have to guide the players the light quests

Yea but....how will it be organized with no turbo

[rain olive]

Just no ulitmate rewards on the side

It's will be the same just no side Branch

[celest spoke]

Maybe it’ll be run from the store stall w colored lights?

[rain olive]

That's how it works in beta

[sly kestrel]

Discord booster flex >

[rain olive]

[sly kestrel]

Tbh I rlly did Forget about lightseeker guy

[rain olive]

Wasn't the lightseekers qg a girl

[sly kestrel]

I don’t remember honestly

[humble barn]

some people remember him for not giving his mask away

[rain olive]

They had pigtails

[sly kestrel]

But.....I’m still mad China got the mask

[humble barn]

yeah you do remember then

tbh I didn't need his mask so I am okay

I always want their dresses

[celest spoke]

Argh so are the colored light quests just gonna be fetch quests for hone spirit, or will Ark still have to be restored for/by new players

[sly kestrel]

This might need to be taken to another channel

Also Mochi.....hm idk why but I feel like u would be a great community shepherd

[humble barn]

Ark light quests will stay for new players

[celest spoke]

Mm yeah guess this is going more generic seasonal not lore

[pulsar ice]

lightseekers was my first season haha, i called questgiver "money grandma" jokingly

so seeing the belonging questgiver be an actual grandma scared the lights out of me

oh wack i just realized, lightseekers was the only season with the questgiver not wearing the ultimate prize(s)

she did, on her back, i think

rushes to the wiki

yup! 😄

[sly kestrel]

They started the seasonal heart thing at belonging

Earlier seasons they jus had it alone with the ending seasonal cutscene

[spring blaze]

GRANDMAA!!!!!!!!

people didnt really like lightseekers for some reason (and ah, a good number people expressed that) so its nice to see it get traction lorewise

[sly kestrel]

I think the hate from the lightseekers came from the fact that they saw it as a “downgrade” from season of gratitude

[nova tiger]

a very sad season for non pass players

[sly kestrel]

Even tho I’m not a dev
It rlly does make me sad looking at all the seasonal criticism 😔

[hushed steeple]

Oh wait i know im late to saying this but i read here that another game is coming out? :0 did the devs say it or was it just a speculation

[nova tiger]

not that i know of

[barren bloom]

Do u think those 6 are the seasonal spirits?

The one with taller hat might be the daily task spirit

And there are two smaller boats near the ark

But... We don't know about the passenger of those two boats ☹️

[frozen pivot]

Actually the hats looks like the ones from vault

[humble barn]

I think they were the seasonal spirits or maybe parents/grand parents of seasonal spirits.

The number of people depicted on the ark does not have to be accurate, and there could have been more people on that huge ark.

I think the ark was destroyed when it crashed on land, and some -or many- passengers were killed too

Also, the seasonal spirits we see are not necessarily the only people living there at that time.

[urban viper]

It tells the story of the ark i think its there journey to sky and that is them falling off the boat in the storm of wastland

[pulsar nova]

why is the chat so active when I’m offline 😭😭

[willow bear]

It's interesting that I feel more lonely after I close Sky app.

[pearl jackal]

cuz the game is depedant on social interaction

its genius on their part

[novel cosmos]

Factions?

[pearl jackal]

there was a war at one point so probably

or a battle

something like that

[novel cosmos]

The Wasteland Elder apparently is under the faction using the Sun/Star symbol

[sly kestrel]

He used to be on the diamond side

[sly kestrel]

On the mural and his constellation he has a diamond shield

So he switched at some point

[novel cosmos]

Ooooh!

[pearl jackal]

mutiny

[novel cosmos]

Where is this mural?

[sly kestrel]

And to get a basic view on the war
Good guys are the sun symbol, the natural light. Bad guys are the diamond symbol, the ones who supported the fake, evil artificial light with their corrupted power diamonds. Wasteland took this horrible tech too far, therefore a war broke out

[novel cosmos]

Is it Wasteland and not Eden?

[pearl jackal]

what was the fake light?

[sly kestrel]

Artificially made power

Not rlly fake light

Sorry if I made it seem like that

[pearl jackal]

oh oof

[sly kestrel]

And I have a full explanation on power diamonds but here’s the basic view

[pearl jackal]

u got some more juicy lore stuff

[novel cosmos]

The power diamonds can become switches, store memory and be used as a power source right?

[sly kestrel]

Power diamonds are a corrupted technology that ended up causing the downfall of the civilization. The way it was made involves creatures death and

No

[pearl jackal]

cuz im still confused on why we are where we are

[sly kestrel]

It doesn’t store memory, ur thinking of the vault lanterns

The power diamonds is like...:their form of electricity

But...it’s evil

[novel cosmos]

Oh okay.

It's made up of light extracted from light creatures right?

[pearl jackal]

very deep stuff

[sly kestrel]

Confirmed butterflies but there could’ve been more creatures

[pearl jackal]

do the mantaray things count aswell

[sly kestrel]

The butterflies were put in pots, shipped in forest, pressed by a factory at forest along with a separate material to make a power diamond. But since wasteland took this tech to a whole new level, there could’ve been a different process

[pulsar nova]

Forest is def on the diamond side

[novel cosmos]

They may have created the dragons or used them to hunt light?

[pulsar nova]

does anyone have a list of the sides?

What if the dragons were some sort of after product of the diamonds

[pearl jackal]

i always thought they were corrupt beings that now have to obey to the diamond side

[pulsar nova]

Could be that during the extractions they got corrupted and boom krills

[novel cosmos]

Hey @sly kestrel can you tell me where the mural is showing that the Wasteland Elder used to be on the diamond side

[ember zodiac]

Valley twins are half an elder each🤔

[pulsar nova]

Oh yeah

Also I have a bit of a theory that I’ll discuss later

[ember zodiac]

Hmmmm

[pulsar nova]

It’s just a small observation I made

Nothing serious

[hushed steeple]

Could be that during the extractions they got corrupted and boom sexy krills
Can you delete this message please as it's a family friendly server. Thank you
@pulsar nova

[novel cosmos]

Obviously the diamond can store knowledge too. The sky child threw the powered diamond the Elder gave and it started showing memories of the other realms.

[barren bloom]

I found that almost all default spirits has diamond pattern on their clothes, but none of them has sun pattern on it

Maybe... The diamond faction is the one who rule the kingdom. And the sun faction come later as a rebel to restore the natural light

[tired leaf]

New here- are we certain the diamonds are the ones corrupt? Like are they actually diamonds or are they stars

Thinking about it- cuz the sun is just one star, just on the earth. They had disconnected to live there, and that’s how discourse was made

[fervent dune]

Is there anywhere I can read the full lore online?

[humble slate]

there's a link to everything we know in the pinned messages

[cold steppe]

Though some of the fan theories aren’t in the pins, so you might have to use the search function

[frozen pivot]

Where did the sun faction even start from

Like wat realm did they start from

[fading bear]

Maybe the sun faction could have started in the Valley. The society was thriving, but then some people found out where the diamonds got their power from: creatures of light. The people thought it was cruel and they started to rebel against the people who made the diamonds, also because of the pollution the production was causing. Then the war broke lose and the society collapsed.

[novel cosmos]

I think the diamond faction are the people from Eden. It's the most corrupted place in the game. They may have been the ones who became abusive in using the power sources. See the big pipes and the giant diamond of Eden? It may have backfired against them and the giant diamond started the storm.

The Sun/Star faction may have been the people of the Golden Wasteland (which I think was a Golden City before which could have also been as rich as the Valley of Triumph) stopping their abusive use of the resources.

[fading bear]

It could be that the Wasteland (before it was a wasteland) got rich by producing a loads of diamonds, even more that the Forest. But when the pollution got worse, more and more people started to think it was a good idea to stop producing the diamonds. I've read somewhere in this chat that the Wasteland Elder might have switched sides, so maybe at first, he wanted to keep his realm thriving and rich, but later he saw how bad the production of power diamonds actually was, so he switched

[novel cosmos]

I can't actually see any mural that proves that the Elder switched sides.

Not in the cutscenes as well

[fading bear]

No but the constellation has a diamond shield, but in the temple there is a sun shield

[novel cosmos]

But it can be possible. Since there are a lot of pipes there and so much pollution. There was a factory there surely.

[fading bear]

I'm not sure about it either, but it would be interesting. It could also be that he stood on both sides, since he has a diamond spear and a sun shield, but I don't know how that would work

[hushed steeple]

Hmm but why did they start producing diamonds in first place?

[fading bear]

The first area where you have to get past a Krill is a diamond factory I believe

Since it looks a lot like the forest temple

[novel cosmos]

Where?

[fading bear]

The constellation is a diamond shield and a spear

the diamond shields have that shape

[novel cosmos]

Hmmm

I think I need more murals.

[fading bear]

In which direction does the boat in the shipwreck area go?

Because if it goes in the direction of the industrial part of the Wasteland it could be transporting parts for (new) factories to the Wasteland. If it goes in the other direction, the direction of another realm, it could be transporting factory part to other realms, meaning that the Wasteland would supply parts for factories in other realms

[pearl void]

Valley twins are half an elder each🤔
@ember zodiac i see that statue as if they are watching each other face to face

[novel cosmos]

I think that wouldn't stand until we get more clues.

As per the weapons. I think the sun faction used spears and the diamond faction used swords.

Based on the weapons I saw around the battlefield

[pearl void]

In which direction does the boat in the shipwreck area go?
@fading bear the salute spirit at the shipwreck shows that they are taking boat and sail away further to northeast, my guess is that they're parting with each other to find help after the ship wreck, but it may also means that they are continuing the journey and leave the salute guy patroling the wrecked ship

[fading bear]

I thought it was the other way around, since the spear has a diamond on it I believe, but it would make more sense if the sun side used spears, because then the Elder would use both the shield and the weapon from the Sun side

[novel cosmos]

Also the colors of the shields and weapons match

[fading bear]

That would also make sense for the constellation, because both sides would be represented

[pearl void]

The elders mural at vault elder cutscene, shows that the wasteland elder using the diamond shield, but his cutscene showing sun shield

[novel cosmos]

That one's a sword I was just too short

[fading bear]

@fading bear the salute spirit at the shipwreck shows that they are taking boat and sail away further to northeast, my guess is that they're parting with each other to find help after the ship wreck, but it may also means that they are continuing the journey and leave the salute guy patroling the wrecked ship
@pearl void That's interesting

[novel cosmos]

Hmm. There was no imprint on the shield so I really didn't take it as a diamond shield.

[pearl void]

At eden you can see sun shield at the entrance above the first map too

[fading bear]

The elders mural at vault elder cutscene, shows that the wasteland elder using the diamond shield, but his cutscene showing sun shield
Wait, so then he could have switched

I'm going to check

[novel cosmos]

Me too

[fading bear]

Time to go through Vault for the second time today haha

[novel cosmos]

And it's so glitchy right now.

[fading bear]

It is?

[novel cosmos]

Yess
That would also make sense for the constellation, because both sides would be represented
@fading bear

To me at least. 😋
It is?
@fading bear

[fading bear]

Yeah, you're right haha

[humble barn]

Imo the sun shields were of royal guards

Eden side

[fading bear]

Is that from the first scene? The thing you see when you start for the first time?

[humble barn]

yes

[fading bear]

hmm that also looks a lot like the constellation button at home

[humble barn]

and there's a theory that the civil war was between the corrupted king and his people rebelling against him

[fading bear]

wait a minute

It also looks a bit like an eye

"The Eye of Eden"

[humble barn]

It's a head but yeah there should be eye(s) on the head

[fading bear]

Oh oops

haha

[humble barn]

and the sun symbol look like elders' stars too😂

[fading bear]

It also looks like a compass

This is so confusing😂

It’s everywhere

[humble barn]

Not related to the shield theories but here's another interesting finding from the intro cutscene

[fading bear]

The Child of Light? That's what it makes me think of

The child that left imprints in the world (the winged lights) and that you have a connection with (maybe the light child you hug after Eden?)

[humble barn]

yeah it's everywhere and that's why I don't really think the sun-ish symbol represent natural

[fading bear]

or maybe it's just supposed to be the player

or the Prince

Oof we really need some stuff to be confirmed, this is so confusing

[humble barn]

if you watch the youtube video linked in canon lore doc

it says "children of light" (plural) left imprints

[fading bear]

Oh wait there is a youtube video? I must have looked over it, I read the whole thing

Hmmm

[humble barn]

the link is in the canon lore doc

[fading bear]

That's even more confusing

[humble barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0XBmzddf40

[fading bear]

So are we the "Children of light" or are they/were they other people? I always thought we were the children of light because of the game's name

[humble barn]

skykids are children of light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0XBmzddf40&feature=youtu.be&t=109

^^start the video this particular time

You wake up as a child of light

[uncut bone]

I think the diamond faction are the people from Eden. It's the most corrupted place in the game. They may have been the ones who became abusive in using the power sources. See the big pipes and the giant diamond of Eden? It may have backfired against them and the giant diamond started the storm.
@novel cosmos Eden wasn't always that way, literally which destroys your theory.

The Sun/Star faction may have been the people of the Golden Wasteland (which I think was a Golden City before which could have also been as rich as the Valley of Triumph) stopping their abusive use of the resources.
@novel cosmos The Wasteland Elder switched sides after seeing the destruction of the diamonds.

[fading bear]

hey that's what I thought! haha

[uncut bone]

Where did the sun faction even start from
@frozen pivot Now I have to explain the entire TST, give me a sec.

[rustic elbow]

So if sky kids are children of light but not all children of light are sky kids, what else is a col?

[humble barn]

The king aka prince

The one with halo in the intro cutscene

[novel cosmos]

Where does it say that then?

[uncut bone]

It doesn't, it's heavily implied. I suggest reading through this channel before making theories.

Eg, putting eden in the search bar.

[novel cosmos]

How condescending.

[fading bear]

This is what it says about winged light in the canon lore doc:

[humble barn]

yeah but that description came from the youtube video above

[fading bear]

hmmmmmmmm

[uncut bone]

Alright, back to where I was.

TST, two shields theory.

From the battleground in Wasteland, you can see two different shields with different designs, a diamond, and a sun.

The diamonds were on the side of using diamonds for power, and the sunlight side was on the side of not using diamonds for power, and simply letting it be like sunlight and finding an alternate power source.

[fading bear]

uhm yeah

[uncut bone]

Diamonds were a very good energy source, however they corrupted everything around them.

In Forest, the last room is a room we (the lore junkies) call a diamond press.

[fading bear]

There is also one of those in the wasteland

[uncut bone]

Those were made to form those huge gold diamonds we see on the roof and elsewhere in the game.

Correct, in the Shipwreck.

[novel cosmos]

Shipwreck

[uncut bone]

There is what we are assuming, a diamond press in wasteland where you encounter the first krill.

[fading bear]

Yup, and I believe the first area with the krill used to be a diamond press

[uncut bone]

What I said.

Anyways, after seeing the mass destruction of the diamonds, the Wasteland elder switched sides.

The outcome of the battle, no one knows.

[ember zodiac]

I think the player is a part of the King

[fading bear]

It could be that the Wasteland (before it was a wasteland) got rich by producing a loads of diamonds, even more that the Forest. But when the pollution got worse, more and more people started to think it was a good idea to stop producing the diamonds. I've read somewhere in this chat that the Wasteland Elder might have switched sides, so maybe at first, he wanted to keep his realm thriving and rich, but later he saw how bad the production of power diamonds actually was, so he switched
I had a little theory about that earlier today haha

[uncut bone]

Uh what.

[ember zodiac]

Which the King separated from himself before the destruction of the kingdom

[uncut bone]

What the hell did I read.

[ember zodiac]

To free him

[uncut bone]

Rich?

[fading bear]

dude

[uncut bone]

There is no currency in the game that the elders use.

[ember zodiac]

If anyone saw the movie the Forbidden Kingdom he would get an idea what I'm trying to say

[uncut bone]

This is sky, not a movie...

[ember zodiac]

This is sky, not a movie...
@uncut bone

Did u watch it or not?!

[uncut bone]

I don't need to.

[ember zodiac]

[uncut bone]

Guys please, if you're going to try and do something with the current information, please use the search bar.

[fading bear]

If you would read a couple of messages before that little part I just quoted, you would read that someone else started talking about how the Valley was very rich, and how maybe the Wasteland was that rich too at some point before the war. You are right about there being no currency that the elders use, but it is pretty clear that the valley was a thriving city and the cold and the fact that they had the time to do sports suggests that there were pretty "rich" (as in they had a lot of resources or something like that.)

[humble slate]

There is no currency in the game that the elders use.
@uncut bone but there could've been before everything was destroyed. There are shops in Ark, so they must have had a currency, or they used an exchanging system

[uncut bone]

That-

.

[ember zodiac]

If you would read a couple of messages before that little part I just quoted, you would read that someone else started talking about how the Valley was very rich, and how maybe the Wasteland was that rich too at some point before the war. You are right about there being no currency that the elders use, but it is pretty clear that the valley was a thriving city and the cold and the fact that they had the time to do sports suggest that there were pretty "rich" (as in they had a lot of resources or something like that.)
@fading bear Valley was the capital city, Wasteland was the Industrial city, Prairie was the Village

[fading bear]

@uncut bone but there could've been before everything was destroyed. There are shops in Ark, so they must have had a currency, or they used an exchanging system
@humble slate you could be right! It would make sense

[uncut bone]

No, I really don't think so.

Jesus christ.

[fading bear]

dude

[uncut bone]

Can you guys like, use the search bar for things like this? There are reasons how and why each of the realms relate, and that's not one of them.

[novel cosmos]

Rich doesn't always have to do with currency. The Valley is quite rich in culture. Sports. That's indulgence

[fading bear]

Aeternum, I hate to say it, but you're being kind of rude. (no offence)

[humble barn]

FYI: The shops in the ark do not sell you spells, they let you make some spells with light we have. When you buy some spells it ask you whether you want to "craft" them, not "purchase" them.

[fading bear]

Yeah that's what I meant with "rich" :)

[uncut bone]

@novel cosmos Notice how Valley is different from all other realms? Straight forward, no exploring whatsoever. We think it might be to hide everything that was going on in forest. And that brings me to my next point.

[ember zodiac]

The Elders taught the people what we see in the Elder cutscenes maybe

[uncut bone]

Oh my god.

Alright so. Can I speak real quick without interruption?

[fading bear]

You could put it in one message if you don't want to be interrupted?

[humble barn]

if you wanna avoid interruption type them all and post it at once

[fading bear]

yeah haha

[uncut bone]

The realms represent each stage of life, from birth (isle), childhood (prairie), emo teen phase (forest), adulthood (valley), midlife crisis (wasteland), and death (vault).
They could also represent life on Earth today. Before anything happened, most of the world was bare (isle). Before man came, the world flourished and became full of life (prairie). But when man came, they ruined it. Think of forest as the industrial revolution. Valley is modern day. There is pollution everywhere, however most people don't see it or choose not to see it. Wasteland represents what would happen if we continue with the pollution.

[fading bear]

yup

[uncut bone]

@ember zodiac
That's how each realm connects.

[ember zodiac]

Everyone knows that I suppose

That's old info

[uncut bone]

Exactly.

[fading bear]

Well, that's speculation Aeternum

I mean, I also think so, but you shouldn't talk down to people who think otherwise

[uncut bone]

The first one is mostly implied, the second one is speculation.

[fading bear]

yeah, that's what I meant

[supple totem]

I am afraid of eden

[ember zodiac]

The first one is mostly implied, the second one is speculation.
@uncut bone Its confirmed

[uncut bone]

Ah, alright.

[supple totem]

Oof hard ti admit it but I am

[ember zodiac]

You see the pictures in ||Office||

What the realms represent

[fading bear]

Isn't it also like that in Journey?

[uncut bone]

Yes.

Now back to where someone said that eden was the head of the diamonds. Eden wasn't always like that. The giant diamond in the center corrupted everything in eden when it was put there. I am not entirely sure on this, but Jay can tell you a bit more.

[novel cosmos]

Ok that was me.

[uncut bone]

Let me check the search bar rq.

[ember zodiac]

Eden was the King's place

The Child of Light u hug in the end is the King according to a theory

[fading bear]

I've read somewhere that the games are like emotional journeys through worlds that represent stages in life. I think that that concept is just so amazing. A lot of games focus on for example action and stuff, but Sky and Journey (and maybe also other games from tgc) focus more on emotions and I just love that so much

[humble barn]

we hug ourselves in the end

[uncut bone]

Here, this is what jay said.
"So the diamond symbol connects to wasteland’s side in many ways, first of all, the first krill area seems to be almost identical to the forest temple, indicating they used the same architecture. And the masks on the wasteland spirits have diamond symbols, just like the forehead plate on teth. Also, the diamond symbol is seen on 2 castles in wasteland that look like the one on the shields. Diamond shaped symbols were said to represent use of technology and to be an artificial symbol unlike the flowing smooth feel of creatures and nature. I got that from the concept arts but anyways, forest is known for their use of industry and their production of the power diamonds. Now regarding the sun symbol, there is a building in eden"

[ember zodiac]

we hug ourselves in the end
@humble barn What if the player is the King / Eden Elder himself?

[humble barn]

we are

in my theory, we are part of the king

yes

[uncut bone]

I highly doubt it, as the king is a concept that never made it into the game.

[humble barn]

remember the friend constellation

[ember zodiac]

in my theory, we are part of the king
@humble barn yes.. That's why I was asking if any watched the Forbidden Kingdom movie

[fading bear]

Oooh maybe the King split himself into little shards hoping he could somehow fix what he had done

[uncut bone]

as the king is a concept that never made it into the game.

[humble barn]

who said that

[ember zodiac]

Some concept taken from Chinese Monkey King Lore

[fading bear]

Doesn't the first scene also say something like "finally you're here" or something

[humble barn]

@ember zodiac no i haven't

[uncut bone]

There is a king. In the Vault cutscene, and friend constellation. But that's only where the King appears
@hushed steeple as the king is a concept that never made it into the game.

[humble barn]

@fading bear no, the intro cutscene is pinned btw

[ember zodiac]

as the king is a concept that never made it into the game.
@uncut bone I can tell u something but it would get me muted or worse banned.. So no thanks

[uncut bone]

???

[humble barn]

My version of two shields theory: There were royal army with star (sun) shields and rebels with diamond shields. The wasteland elder could have switched the side: from king's guard to people's guard.

[ember zodiac]

There is a king. In the Vault cutscene, and friend constellation. But that's only where the King appears
@hushed steeple The King eating the apple yes.. Taken from Bible

Original sin

[uncut bone]

My version of two shields theory: There were royal army with star (sun) shields and rebels with diamond shields. The wasteland elder could have switched the side: from king's guard to people's guard.
@humble barn The king never made it into the game.

[novel cosmos]

Doesn't the first scene also say something like "finally you're here" or something

@fading bear in the beginning of the game?

[humble barn]

who said that @uncut bone

no

[fading bear]

wait a minute, Eden is called Original Sin in Japanese?

[uncut bone]

It's not in the game, that's how we know...

[humble barn]

yes, the red rain area is called Original Sin in Japanese

[fading bear]

oooooohh

that's interesting

[uncut bone]

@humble barn Read through this.
So the diamond symbol connects to wasteland’s side in many ways, first of all, the first krill area seems to be almost identical to the forest temple, indicating they used the same architecture. And the masks on the wasteland spirits have diamond symbols, just like the forehead plate on teth. Also, the diamond symbol is seen on 2 castles in wasteland that look like the one on the shields. Diamond shaped symbols were said to represent use of technology and to be an artificial symbol unlike the flowing smooth feel of creatures and nature. I got that from the concept arts but anyways, forest is known for their use of industry and their production of the power diamonds. Now regarding the sun symbol, there is a building in eden

[ember zodiac]

It's not in the game, that's how we know...
@uncut bone What if the Child of Light is the King? The Child of Light is made into the game right?

[uncut bone]

The king IS in the game. But only showed twice. In the Vault elder cutscene, and the crown (representation of King) constellation in Home.
@hushed steeple Can confirm the king is not in the vault cutscene.

[humble barn]

@hushed steeple (and the intro cutscene)

[ember zodiac]

@hushed steeple Can confirm the king is not in the vault cutscene.
@uncut bone The King is in the Vault cutscene

[fading bear]

It also says that "the Eden elder is not around to be saved anymore" somewhere in the canon lore doc I think

[humble barn]

yeah that is true

[uncut bone]

The eden elder is the king.

[fading bear]

No I know, but it could be haha

[humble barn]

because he's dead and reincarnated as skykids

[uncut bone]

Oh my god.

No.

[humble barn]

no it's just a theory, which I believe

[uncut bone]

It is a concept that never made it into the game. I am watching the vault cutscene now.

[fading bear]

Also, that would mean that he is canon, only he doesn't appear in the game because he's "not around to be saved anymore"

yeah

[humble barn]

not really

[fading bear]

sort of

[humble barn]

yeah, the intro is kinda clear

lol what does kinda clear even mean

[fading bear]

He's not around to be saved anymore does mean that he was around sometime haha

[ember zodiac]

This is the King

[fading bear]

with his crown and his apple! haha

[ember zodiac]

King eating the Apple and committing the sin

[uncut bone]

@ember zodiac Speculation, but it is implied to be so. That drawing doesn't mean the king is in the game.

The cutscene shows a drawing of him.

Not him being in the game.

[ember zodiac]

This a symbolic drawing

[uncut bone]

There's a difference.

Right, it doesn't mean he's in the game.

[fading bear]

uhmm

[humble barn]

he's dead

[fading bear]

yup

[ember zodiac]

The Child of Light we hug after dying is the King

[humble barn]

King clone theory:
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.
The king/prince was a Child of Light, a dear child of the narrator/Megabird.
He became a corrupted king, and when he died, his soul somehow shattered into pieces. So when the megabird woke him up, multiple incomplete clones of him wake up, one by one.
So skykids are the Children of Light, clones of the original Child of Light.

[round musk]

I think it's safe to assume though that the king is a metaphorical representation of what happened to the whole sky civilization. That isn't to say that the king idea wasn't recycled into something different (the Child of Light)

[ember zodiac]

The frozen statues are other Children of Light who tried to free the King and failed maybe

[uncut bone]

I don't believe that.

[ember zodiac]

Because...

[fading bear]

You could maybe try to be a little bit more open minded, Aeternum

[ember zodiac]

In an old eden version, the names of our friends appeared over the frozen statues

[humble barn]

@hushed steeple If you are talking about Child of Light in canon lore dock, then you should watch the original youtube video

[uncut bone]

Skykids were sent to do their mission and bring home the elders, maybe the shape of the skykids were based on this child of light. That’s why we all look the same, and the past sky kids that died in eden look just like us as well

[humble barn]

the link is in the canon lore doc, the first one

[uncut bone]

Skykids....are children of the light

[humble barn]

yes

the video simply says we are children of light

[round musk]

The Child of Light is something different

[uncut bone]

Skykids....are children of the light

For me I used to believe those other children in eden are just the other sky kids that were sent to do our mission but failed at eden. Now they are petrified souls. But then I remember that it said “return the light of the fallen” so technically we were borrowing their own light and simply giving it back. AND THEN I hear that the winged light is just imprints left from the child of light and we are connected to him.

[humble barn]

the video does not imply the existence of "the Child of Light"

[fading bear]

Aeternum, the "original child of light" the kids could be based on, as you say in your theory, could also be (a fragment of) the King

[uncut bone]

Read what I said before.

[humble barn]

there are "a child of light" and "children of light" all referring to skykids

@uncut bone watch the video

[uncut bone]

Skykids are children of the light

[humble barn]

yes

[uncut bone]

Can you guys please use the search bar? It works.

[humble barn]

I was here since the channel was first created

[round musk]

children of light is an umbrella term that refers to all beings born out of light. This includes skykids, elders, and creatures of light

Iirc

[fading bear]

Skykids were sent to do their mission and bring home the elders, maybe the shape of the skykids were based on this child of light. That’s why we all look the same, and the past sky kids that died in eden look just like us as well
@uncut bone "this child of light" that could also be the King. It doesn't have to be, but you shouldn't shut it out entirely

[uncut bone]

I don't believe so, but.

[humble barn]

@round musk no it basically refers to skykids

[uncut bone]

Simply because the king was never brought into the game.

[fading bear]

yeah, but that you don't believe it doesn't mean you have to act like that

(no offence)

[uncut bone]

Winged light is imprints of the children of light

[humble barn]

watch the video

[round musk]

Ok ill go watch it

[humble barn]

it actually says imprints of "children" of light

[vital perch]

Hey

[humble barn]

hi

[fading bear]

Hellooo

[vital perch]

I saw someone that day talking about game files

[uncut bone]

Don't talk about game files or get banned.

[humble barn]

then you shouldn't discuss that in this server

[vital perch]

Hello Wing. What brought u here?
@hushed steeple interested in Sky lore

[paper matrix]

Hi guys I found a cool detail with spirits

[fading bear]

ooh what is it?

[vital perch]

You were discussing about the King that's why I said that

[uncut bone]

Alright so.

[humble barn]

we discuss lore based on what we can see in game, concepts, and livestreams and such, but not game files

[paper matrix]

The kid here
Is he play-mimicking the falling stars that we see in the murals?

[fading bear]

woow

[uncut bone]

The king was a concept that never got into the game.

[fading bear]

I love that kid, very cute

[paper matrix]

Circular shape, same flat then steep trajectory of the “star”

[humble barn]

he's clearly mimicking an airplane

yeah most likely a boat

[vital perch]

Maybe he could be mimicking catching light and putting it in a pot

[uncut bone]

Oh here's some lore on krill.
Honestly, that's part of the reason I think krill were used as part of the production process. My personal favorite theory is that krill were used to hunt whales/large creatures but they could have also been used for protection or something else. It explains why they are all over industrialized areas, especially around production zones. But after their misuse in the war, either (of they are machines) their programming could not be fixed (causing them to be light-seeking killers) or they were corrupted (explaining their appearance similar to light-less children and light-seeking behaviors.)

[paper matrix]

but crashing it?? like
the only reoccuring theme of falling is with the stars right?

[uncut bone]

__ hi __

Two underscores.

On each side.

[paper matrix]

[vital perch]

How to strike through?

[humble barn]

@paper matrix but doesn't it looks like an earth kid mimicking an airplane? he's a kid with a short arm so

[uncut bone]

Two squiggly lines. ~~

[paper matrix]

but a definitive crash into the other hand

[uncut bone]

Here's something interesting.

[paper matrix]

I’m thinking of reoccuring storyline themes

[uncut bone]

You guys will like it.

[humble barn]

hope it was a safe landing

but falling star is also possible i guess

[vital perch]

but a definitive crash into the other hand
@paper matrix Maybe some spirits could fly cause they have a cape

[humble barn]

it's in murals maybe people knew the story of fallen stars

[uncut bone]

You can see next to the silhouette of the corrupt king, there's a little white glowy child - and they have a shine around their head, which when the mask on the right is compared to it, they seem to emulate the same shape. As though this white figure is the Prince, and his mask tried to emulate the "holy shine" he wore.

That being said, the appearance of the Prince is jarringly similar to our own and if you compare it to the skykid next to the Isle Elder they're even the same height; I think the Skychildren were made in his image, as we don't even really come close to resembling any other Ancestor Spirit or even Elder. His cape is clearly very similar to ours and, hopefully the image isn't too blurry as I had to screenshot it, he even wears the "default/moth shorts" underneath.

And with the screenshot I took of the notes document where the "shiny bois" nomer was mentioned, especially as something they maybe shouldn't say, it made me think maybe the stars/children of light we collect are actually imprints of the Prince, and the child we hug at the end of Eden/beginning of Orbit (Limbo) might not necessarily be ourselves, but the King trapped and returned to his original form - wingless, as he "can't be saved." After all, the winged light child is "a character you are connected to," also implying it's images of the same child and not multiple, and, if we're made in the Prince's image, that makes sense to me.

[vital perch]

Maybe the kid is imitating how to harvest butterflies and put them in a pot?
@hushed steeple Maybe, I thought that

[uncut bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/710880678522388510/Screenshot_20200515-101513.png

[paper matrix]

Planes are our cultural context; to consider their cultural context we need to look at their murals, like we do for old, fallen/ past civilisations usually

[humble barn]

flying boats are in their culture tho

[paper matrix]

They are, but I’m partial to stars due to these two points:
-making a circular shape out of the snow, as per the circular star shapes in the murals, rather than a flat shape of a boat
-combined with the intro cutscene + repeated mural scenes of people finding falling stars, curved trajectory always illustrated

[ember zodiac]

You can see next to the silhouette of the corrupt king, there's a little white glowy child - and they have a shine around their head, which when the mask on the right is compared to it, they seem to emulate the same shape. As though this white figure is the Prince, and his mask tried to emulate the "holy shine" he wore.

That being said, the appearance of the Prince is jarringly similar to our own and if you compare it to the skykid next to the Isle Elder they're even the same height; I think the Skychildren were made in his image, as we don't even really come close to resembling any other Ancestor Spirit or even Elder. His cape is clearly very similar to ours and, hopefully the image isn't too blurry as I had to screenshot it, he even wears the "default/moth shorts" underneath.

And with the screenshot I took of the notes document where the "shiny bois" nomer was mentioned, especially as something they maybe shouldn't say, it made me think maybe the stars/children of light we collect are actually imprints of the Prince, and the child we hug at the end of Eden/beginning of Orbit (Limbo) might not necessarily be ourselves, but the King trapped and returned to his original form - wingless, as he "can't be saved." After all, the winged light child is "a character you are connected to," also implying it's images of the same child and not multiple, and, if we're made in the Prince's image, that makes sense to me.
@uncut bone Nice job.. What I always thought

[uncut bone]

No.

You said the king.

[paper matrix]

Boats never had that curved downwards trajectory illustrated

[uncut bone]

The king is a concept that never made it into the game.

@ember zodiac

[ember zodiac]

Oh yeah Prince

[fading bear]

You don't have to repeat that over and over again

[ember zodiac]

I haven't seen the image u uploaded before

[humble barn]

the theory does not sound like that came from someone who believes the concept of king never made it into the game

[ember zodiac]

Maybe we will get to know more in upcoming seasons

If a season is organised in Eden maybe

[humble barn]

the king never made it into the game but the prince did?

[ember zodiac]

Forgotten Castle or Palace maybe

[fading bear]

Oh no what if the spirits were in eden and we would have to do one of those things were you have to drag the memories to the spirit haha

[ember zodiac]

the king never made it into the game but the prince did?
@humble barn Technically, if the King is dead, then Prince should be the new King, so the King still exists

[paper matrix]

Devious idea but I’d give it a try

[humble barn]

@ember zodiac actually I believe the prince is the king

[ember zodiac]

@ember zodiac actually I believe the prince is the king
@humble barn same

[humble barn]

I am just curious what Aeternum believes

[fading bear]

oooh maybe the prince is the person we hug after Eden

[humble barn]

I searched The king is a concept that never made it into the game." and found no old posts, and actually I think this is a common misconception in this channel

[ember zodiac]

oooh maybe the prince is the person we hug after Eden
@fading bear I actually believe that is the King and there is only the King and no Prince

Waiting to be freed by us

[fading bear]

I actually don't know, I was just throwing it in here haha

[paper matrix]

Hey there’s a Tom Zhao concept that revealed the prince was crowned king during the height of the valley civilisation

so they’re the same person

[humble barn]

in theory and in concept yeah, not canon tho

[fading bear]

Woow cool!

[humble barn]

and "the Eden elder is not around to be saved anymore" is also canon

[paper matrix]

You were supposed to free and restore the prince from his corrupted king form

I’m guessing iPhone restrictions made them rethink the complexity of eden

[ember zodiac]

Maybe the King was so consumed by darkness that only a pure soul could free him.. And then we enter

[paper matrix]

Bingo

[humble barn]

no he's already dead and reincarnated as skykids (theory)

there's no Eden elder anymore, just a bunch of skykids (theory)

skykids are now here help elders and spirits (canon)

[uncut bone]

@ember zodiac actually I believe the prince is the king
@humble barn the prince and the king are two different people

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/710880678522388510/Screenshot_20200515-101513.png

[ember zodiac]

no he's already dead and reincarnated as skykids (theory)
@humble barn Maybe his soul broke into fragments and became Sky kids but the important piece of his Soul remained trapped in Eden

[paper matrix]

Hey you guys wanna know some mind boggling lore

[humble barn]

@uncut bone I have seen the pic and I still think they are the same person

[uncut bone]

Why?

[ember zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/710880678522388510/Screenshot_20200515-101513.png
@uncut bone where did u get this?

[uncut bone]

|| Office ||

[ember zodiac]

Oh

[humble barn]

@ember zodiac "the Eden elder is not around to be saved anymore" is true, so no there's nothing left to save

[uncut bone]

Right, that doesn't mean the prince and the king are the same person...

[paper matrix]

The canon but pre-release (2018 sky) had 16 elder headstones; only our seven ) intact

Technically 6 bc twins have one

But the other headstones only had their bases remain

[humble barn]

@uncut bone my theory of them being the same person is partly based on the tomcepts

[paper matrix]

One was slightly less destroyed than the others and was also present next to in orbit

[uncut bone]

@humble barn They are two different people.

[humble barn]

@uncut bone They are the same person

[uncut bone]

Look at the timeline.

[ember zodiac]

I think some concept was taken from Monkey King lore

[paper matrix]

Sky takes a lot of inspiration from worldwide religions and folklore

[ember zodiac]

The monkey king was able to summon his clones by using his hair

Maybe we are just the clones of the King

And the other sky kids too

[paper matrix]

can’t rule it out

[humble barn]

@uncut bone which one?

[ember zodiac]

He released us just before the destruction of the Kingdom in order to free everyone including himself in guilt..

[uncut bone]

The early one, in office.

[humble barn]

the pic you posted?

[uncut bone]

No.

There's a timeline in the office.

It shows everything that happened until we came.

[fading bear]

Isn’t all the art in the office just concept art?

[ember zodiac]

Maybe Aeternum is someone from TGC in disguise and so trying to emphasize his point🌚

[humble barn]

I don't know what timeline you are referring to, there's no legible timeline in the office. Just concept of realms in relation to stages of life

[uncut bone]

@fading bear Most of it are concepts that didn't get into the game.

@humble barn Found it.
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/632004389137154048/695006718161322085/image0.jpg?width=1203&height=159

[ember zodiac]

Old orbit was so boring

[fading bear]

Yeah, so that timeline could also be non-canon

[humble barn]

That's tomcept storyline and it says the prince IS the king

[fading bear]

Also, the timeline you just sent is very old concept art I believe

[humble barn]

yup

[uncut bone]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/695006718161322085/image0.jpg

[humble barn]

so I don't say king = prince is canon, it's a theory

it says the prince IS the king

[uncut bone]

The prince was crowned king.

They may not be the same person.

[humble barn]

it means the prince was crowned and became a king

"I was crowned king" means I became a king

[ember zodiac]

The Prince is crowned King

[humble barn]

if it says "the prince crowned king", then it means king and prince are different people

[ember zodiac]

And the explosion happened after the Prince became King.. So the corrupted King and the Prince are the same

I think there wasn't any King before the Prince

He took the civilization to new heights and so the people and elders crowned him King

[humble barn]

yeah that's what the tomcept timeline says

or implys

[ember zodiac]

And about Krill... Their light was absorbed by darkstones and so they turned dark maybe

[uncut bone]

I literally put a theory of krill before.

"Honestly, that's part of the reason I think krill were used as part of the production process. My personal favorite theory is that krill were used to hunt whales/large creatures but they could have also been used for protection or something else. It explains why they are all over industrialized areas, especially around production zones. But after their misuse in the war, either (of they are machines) their programming could not be fixed (causing them to be light-seeking killers) or they were corrupted (explaining their appearance similar to light-less children and light-seeking behaviors.)"

@ember zodiac ^

[ember zodiac]

What if the Krill were Whales themselves

That's why we see so less Whales

That's why Krill search for light creatures to gather light for themselves..

[humble barn]

we are not sure if the whales are light creatures

in game, they don't attack us but they don't give light to us

[ember zodiac]

But light exists in every creature

Whether they give us light or not

Every creature is connected to the Megabird

[sly kestrel]

Krill are not whales

[humble barn]

if that's the definition of light creatures then the crabs and krill also be light creatures. they have glowing eyes

[sly kestrel]

They are totally different creatures

Plus they are bigger and have physical bodies unlike krill

They literally have a different species name too so....it doesn’t make much sense

[ember zodiac]

But didn't the concept timeline said that the Darkstones absorbed the light?

It's like in the real world unfortunately
Humans destroy forest and in turn animals wander into cities and attack us

[humble barn]

concepts are concepts not canon

[ember zodiac]

Because they have no place to live

[humble barn]

at this point krill origin is not confirmed

[sly kestrel]

Krill concepts came in later development

[ember zodiac]

Hmm

[sly kestrel]

Back then it was jus
creatures

They weren’t organized by dark light or neutral

[humble barn]

and wandering animals irl are not intent on revenge

bears will attack us in forest too

[ember zodiac]

and wandering animals irl are not intent on revenge
@humble barn not revenge

But, they wander because they have no place to live

[humble barn]

I mean, none of irl animals are corrupted to monsters

[ember zodiac]

Nah

[humble barn]

irl reference doesn't work if you want to go with corrupted creature theories

[ember zodiac]

But, sky is made from irl situations

[sly kestrel]

Yea but it’s used for references

Doesn’t mean it’s exact

[ember zodiac]

I mean we can relate many things from sky irl

[humble barn]

yeah but not corrupted creature theory

[ember zodiac]

Like industrialization and pollution and all

[sly kestrel]

Hey Mochi

I’ve been wondering this for a while.....

What is ur pfp 😐

[humble barn]

hey Jay you are no longer a professional liar?

[sly kestrel]

Ima trickster now

[ember zodiac]

Chinese lamps?

[sly kestrel]

🃏

[humble barn]

Japanese traditional paper lanterns

[ember zodiac]

Hah

[sly kestrel]

oooooh

[ember zodiac]

Why the radioactive symbol tho

[humble barn]

something like a sigil of Tokugawa clan (shogun) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_clan

[ember zodiac]

Oh

[uncut bone]

@sly kestrel
"Honestly, that's part of the reason I think krill were used as part of the production process. My personal favorite theory is that krill were used to hunt whales/large creatures but they could have also been used for protection or something else. It explains why they are all over industrialized areas, especially around production zones. But after their misuse in the war, either (of they are machines) their programming could not be fixed (causing them to be light-seeking killers) or they were corrupted (explaining their appearance similar to light-less children and light-seeking behaviors.)"

Your thoughts on this?

[ember zodiac]

Krill maybe machines tho.. Cause we hear clanking metal sounds when they pass close to us

[sly kestrel]

Hmmm, I did notice they are near machines and significant buildings

[ember zodiac]

Why there are pipes in eden tho?

[cobalt lintel]

I like to think that while the eden event caused the initial destruction of the civilization, it was the krill and crabs that really wiped out the rest of the spirit’s population

[sly kestrel]

More industry

[ember zodiac]

Do u hear sounds when you are in the pipe stairs?

Like jammed levers and all

[sly kestrel]

And I’m still hoping there is at least SOME other dark creatures out there

And yes it supposed to support the vibe

Metal cranking, falling rocks, etc

[ember zodiac]

Season in Eden would be appreciated

New areas

[cobalt lintel]

oh no

[sly kestrel]

oh yes

[tranquil thicket]

i'd be intrigued how that could be pulled off

[ember zodiac]

Is Eden still in development tho as stated in the wiki?

[cobalt lintel]

Not sure

[sly kestrel]

Might have to put this in #wishlist-and-ideas-archived or a general chat

[ember zodiac]

Yea

Lots of people will be to request the same thing tho to get some importance to the topic

[cobalt lintel]

Anywho, I just popped in to point out that if you factor in the fact that all the spirits are canonically dead, the seasonal stories get a lot more bittersweet

[broken kite]

oo

[tranquil thicket]

yep. like the dead family

sweet to see them together. but those kids be dead

[cobalt lintel]

Esp. since the seasons are really the only way for you to see the relations between spirits bc they don’t interact outside of the seasons

Yeah Belonging’s probs one of the saddest

[sly kestrel]

It wasn’t sad in my opinion I think it was jus wholesome

The only sad part was the emo kid with daddy issues

[cobalt lintel]

Which one was that..?

[broken kite]

whomst

[sly kestrel]

Headpat spirit

[cobalt lintel]

I wasn’t around during belonging I’m a rhythm babey

Ohh

[broken kite]

OFJF

[tranquil thicket]

it's wholesome but like. that's a dead family

[ember zodiac]

Did Granny come in belonging?

[tranquil thicket]

they all died somehow. wish we could see how tbh

[broken kite]

yeb

[sly kestrel]

Dead but spirit lives on

Granny was the questgiver

[tranquil thicket]

yeah, granny was the one who requested you reunite everyone I think

i think belonging is just bittersweet in general

[ember zodiac]

Technically we die all the time..

Every week

[sly kestrel]

And its called grandma Bc it’s our view of her, we don’t kno her exact gender or what it truly was

[tranquil thicket]

because at the very end, you are invited to sit with them, and then they disappear. so that kind of just really emphasizes that as a sky kid even though you have friends you don't really have a family? you don't have that inherent belonging

[cobalt lintel]

Yeah belonging is really bittersweet, bringing home the family for one last dinner

[humble barn]

I think the disappearance emphasized that the family is gone (dead)

[ember zodiac]

But if you see the bright side... They are together now

[tranquil thicket]

oh certainly

it's a bittersweet thing. they're dead! but they're all together

[cobalt lintel]

Rhythm is like, also reuniting an entertainment troupe for a finale that they probs never got

[sly kestrel]

I love how in the ending cutscene everyone was so welcoming and happy to invite me and then theres uke boy in the back jus lookin at me like this

[tranquil thicket]

and anyway, does it really even matter that they're dead if they have consciousness after anyways?

[sly kestrel]

[ember zodiac]

Hope they come as TS so that we can ascend them and meet them in orbit

[tranquil thicket]

too bad the quest giver won't 😔 i really wanna meet grandma spirit

[cobalt lintel]

Ts from the same seasons you meet in orbit are just standing together again

[ember zodiac]

Everyone should request in wishlist and feedback

[tranquil thicket]

they'll be back eventually. the one we have now is from belonging for instance

[sly kestrel]

Also....I’m pretty sure this is common knowledge but lore involvement started around season of lightseekers
Gratitude and winter was more of a thing to get cosmetics

[cobalt lintel]

I think they meant qgs

[ember zodiac]

But the Ark questgiver isn't leaving

[tranquil thicket]

i don't know how they could possibly do a ts of the questgiver, since their entire tree is entirely different

[cobalt lintel]

Ark qg isn’t?

[tranquil thicket]

what was the lore of lightseekers? I haven't heard about any lore outside of rhythm and that was basically "entertainers"

[cobalt lintel]

Lightseekers doesn’t have lore

[sly kestrel]

Ts for a quest giver....that’s basically being able to unlock the ultimate reward and I’m pretty sure a lot of ppl won’t like that

And yes it does

[cobalt lintel]

Lore started coming abt in belonging

[tranquil thicket]

yeah exactly jay

[ember zodiac]

Ark qg isn’t?
@cobalt lintel I'm in Beta, even after season ended he is still there

[tranquil thicket]

makes sense

as there is a place for quest giver to physically be

...though I do not know how it was in other seasons. was the grandma spirit at the table in forest

[cobalt lintel]

And yes it does
@sly kestrel Oh it does? I wasn’t able to find much about that when I went looking for lore on it

[sly kestrel]

Wafo

[humble barn]

only in the cutscene @tranquil thicket

[tranquil thicket]

gotcha that's what I thought

so quest giver is indeed unique in this season because they are physically located on the map

[sly kestrel]

Try not to stray into seasonal chat

[ember zodiac]

What if the Ultimate reward cost 300+ candles

[sly kestrel]

we need da lore

[tranquil thicket]

bro....

it'd probably ahve to be hearst also

[cobalt lintel]

Yea I wondered what the role of qg was in this one

[tranquil thicket]

what do you think actually crashed that ship

[cobalt lintel]

Bc rhythm’s qg was like, the leader of the troupe

[tranquil thicket]

do you think it was the krill

[humble barn]

storm

[sly kestrel]

In enchantment I’m pretty sure the qg was the captain

[tranquil thicket]

oh was it actually stated in the thing

my memory is horrible

[ember zodiac]

Maybe the krill over the hill was chasing them

You can see the murals

On the ark

[sly kestrel]

And back in winter there was no questgiver
The spirits jus gave u the quests. When rhythm came out they needed a way to make it modern so i think they took a generic winter design and put it as the questgiver

[cobalt lintel]

Rlly? It sort of looked like to me that playfight was the captain, although that makes sense

Although rhythm qg is my favorite design

[ember zodiac]

Rlly? It sort of looked like to me that playfight was the captain, although that makes sense
@cobalt lintel playfight memory was funny

[cobalt lintel]

A lot of this season was a little more on the comedic side

[sly kestrel]

“U idiot u made me drop my dinner!! “

[ember zodiac]

Harvesting mushrooms tho

Underground mushrooms

[humble barn]

@tranquil thicket In the Ark murals the krill wasn't there when the boats were capsized but the thunderstorm was

[ember zodiac]

They were supposed to be part of enchantment

[sly kestrel]

The Underground mushrooms were completely a glitch and not lore related

[cobalt lintel]

I saw a theory once that connected lightseekers w enchantment somehow... I’ll have to look for that again

[sly kestrel]

Yes

I have one actually

I never send it cuz new players jus read it and go like
“Huhhhhhh”

[ember zodiac]

I think they intended to do something with them but couldn't due to technical difficulties

[cobalt lintel]

Ah I see

[sly kestrel]

This is my view and opinion on the backstory of the ark. The spirits from the season of lightseekers found this mysterious light source and decided to share it with the scholars, they then adapted it to make new powers, psychic, illusion, fire, water, air and earth. Scholars had an idea to change the world with this power, to seek prosperity and change, probably to undo the damage in wasteland. When the season started it even said that these spirits were on their way to prosperity. But with all that power and all the orbs in 1 single ark, it attracted a deadly storm and caused them to crash into a deserted place. They were stuck here without a way out so they decided to adapt to their environment and wear clothes for the desert and we see them as “turban” clothes. One of them even made a farm. With no way out, another one of the scholars painted murals on the ark so someone could know their story and maybe one day, someone will find the ancient ark buried underneath the sand and return the lost lights.

[ember zodiac]

I would have liked if the crop field became green too after gathering all the lights

[cobalt lintel]

Also I was absolutely thrilled to find out that my theory of this season somehow providing a spells shop was correct

[simple bronze]

whats this about

[sly kestrel]

Also from lightseekers

I think it was like a model of the ark delievering lights but....a lil different view from another person

The spirit memory for that area is actually pretty random too

[simple bronze]

interesting

[cobalt lintel]

Or maybe it could also be a memorial? Although that’s really unlikely if all of the Lightseekers were from before enchantment

[sly kestrel]

someone got a prophecy of an ark saving the world with these balls of light and they decided to make a model of it and spread the word

[simple bronze]

make sense

[sly kestrel]

I’m joking

Idk

[simple bronze]

oh ok

[sly kestrel]

Never put much thought to that boat

[humble barn]

I think there were actually many lightseekers back in time, and only some of them became the seasonal spirits, and only some of them were depicted in the Ark murals

[cobalt lintel]

Man I hope next season gives us a little more again

[sly kestrel]

And why is the piggyback spirit there, what is it doing there, why is the piggyback spirit

And yessss Mochi I thought that too
It seemed more of like a culture or sort of a clan or group of ppl

[cobalt lintel]

This might be really farfetched but hear me out

[sly kestrel]

no

[cobalt lintel]

Alright :((

[sly kestrel]

Jk go ahead

[cobalt lintel]

If there were more lightseekers like you guys theorized, what if there were also more arks? Arks that didn’t have as stable lights as the one in enchantment had and that’s some sort of memorial for an ark that crashed

And the piggyback spirit is maybe related somehow to someone on the ark that one is dedicated to

[humble barn]

I think there were multiple Arks

[simple bronze]

could have been

[cobalt lintel]

It would explain the amount of boat ruins everywhere

[simple bronze]

like in golden wasteland

the area with the krill circling the boat

[cobalt lintel]

Also, I’d really wanna see what all the realms looked like while everyone was still alive, if there’s art of that pls link it to me

[humble barn]

In the kingdom of Sky boats are like cars and they needed boats for daily living

[broken kite]

👁

[cobalt lintel]

I think shipwreck was more of a warship, seeing as to the nature of the spirits in GW

[simple bronze]

i n t e r e s t i n g

to be honest

[cobalt lintel]

I’ve talked about it before, but the nature of the spirits in GW all indicate a distressing situation, or some kind of danger/conflict

[simple bronze]

i think the boat in the picture i sent

was an easter egg

[cobalt lintel]

Nope, it was an area added specifically for the lightseeker spirit

[ruby birch]

Hshshs im tied between making a lore joke and actually being serious

[cobalt lintel]

Sort of like how ark is for enchantment

[ruby birch]

Kay heres my terrible joke:
Its almost as if the people of sky had a religion based around boats amirite-

Hehe
Terrible joke

[humble barn]

@cobalt lintel https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/708957334830841896 some concept art pics

[sly kestrel]

Other arks could’ve jus been for smaller amounts of lights

But the ark decided to hold all 6

[cobalt lintel]

:00

[ruby birch]

[sly kestrel]

Hmmmm some of those are pics from the old tomline

Yes I said tomline on purpose

I think maybe those extra ones could’ve been additions to it

[cobalt lintel]

Tomline is now part of the vocab

[sly kestrel]

Man I rlly wish I watched that livestream 😭

[cobalt lintel]

Where do you guys find these streams?

[sly kestrel]

They used to have em daily

They stopped after a while and now with corona coming around, I don’t think they’ll do another one anytime soon

[cobalt lintel]

Aww man

[sly kestrel]

unless they do a zoom meeting

[cobalt lintel]

So I guess we’ll just have to go off of what they left us with now

[humble barn]

you can still watch all the Japanese ones on youtube. On this particular day the Japanese livestream had more pictures than the English one

[cobalt lintel]

Aight, imma go check those out. Have fun theorizing a lil more, ciao!

[near mural]

yo

is the skeleton in hidden forest a krill?

[sly kestrel]

no

It’s a whale

[simple bronze]

is this dirt on the clouds

[near mural]

ah i see

so the whale crashed and died?

[sly kestrel]

Ye

[near mural]

but how did the whale

completely up root

a tree

instead of going through it

[sly kestrel]

Since we have seen a big whale it’s only safe to say that it was a younger whale that died

poor dude jus learned to fly and he ended up crashing the first 10 seconds

[near mural]

maybe it was a female whale

and it had eggs on that cut down tree

doubt it though

and

where does the wood go

there cutting down all those trees

and i have yet to see a wooden structure that i remember

but no

that spirit must've died on that very same day

because they never picked up that tree so they seemingly died to it

on the very same day

maybe the whale came and killed them

[sly kestrel]

Theorizers say....that the crashing whale is what caused the rocks in the cave to kill the cry spirit’s friends

[near mural]

most likely

i wonder what happened to valley of triumph

[ember zodiac]

and it had eggs on that cut down tree
@near mural I think whale is a mammal

and it had eggs on that cut down tree
@near mural they are birds eggs

[near mural]

theres no bird that big

maybe it was the beta bird

or a manta

[ember zodiac]

Manta eggs probably

maybe it was the beta bird
@near mural maybe that too

Someone said it is a literal easter "egg"

They do look like easter eggs tho

[near mural]

mhm

i wonder if the krills came to valley of triumph

[ember zodiac]

I wonder if we get a Dark creature season

[near mural]

please now

*no

we should be able to fight back then

[fleet hamlet]

Krill vs skykid pvp area

[near mural]

indeed

[cold steppe]

I mean, they are literal easter eggs

also I believe TGC has a policy of no violence in game (per se) by players, so I highly doubt that we will be able to ever fight the krill

[near mural]

lmao

[fleet hamlet]

We knock over crabs
violence

[near mural]

the story line behind it though

[cold steppe]

behind what

oh Sky?

Yeah, there's a history of violence, but I believe the players themselves are somewhat supposed to be pacifists

with the possible exception of crabs, but that's just knocking them over. We don't really fight them

[near mural]

hmm

where did the krills come from

[fleet hamlet]

What if they used to be light creatures o-o

[sly kestrel]

The ppl who inhabited the sky world were no doubt cruel and participated in violence and murder
But skykids will always stay innocent, I highly doubt they will make skykids fight

[rustic elbow]

Something I noticed is sky kids can’t properly learn, we just mimic what we see in ancestor’s memories

[lost hull]

Well it’s probably bc they don’t fully understand the context of the ancestor memories

Like the dead emote spirit

[sly kestrel]

“Awww he’s sleeping “
“Bruh seriously I jus died and u think I was sleeping 😐”

[lost hull]

Like the dude had a stomach wound and was probably dying a painful death

Sky kid: haha so funny

[broken kite]

uh oh

[spring blaze]

faint spirit: no!!!! you cant make my tragic death a funny misinterpreted emote!!
skykid: haha faint go womp

[river ivy]

womp

[mellow sable]

@cold steppe what about roasting them over a torch

[spring blaze]

it doesnt kill them

its like making a rock hot

[ember zodiac]

PvP arena

They should have a PvP racing realm to compete with players in real time

Excluding Valley ofcourse

[jade flume]

Wait so skykids are more or less homunculus?

[unborn fog]

excuse me what

[vague plover]

[desert sun]

Wait so skykids are more or less homunculus?
@jade flume considering the size of spirits compared to the size of a tall skykid, wed be pretty small. but its probably because skykids are just still "skykids"

not skyadults

[mellow sable]

sky: adults of the light

lol

[hollow pier]

Uhhhhhhh @humble barn I just realised I linked the wrong video re: the winged light imprints in my doc

Meant to link this one (quote at 17:20)
https://youtu.be/wZ0qBJQ0auw

[humble barn]

that clears things up! thx for checking

so they were saying something slightly different from what they have said

[hollow pier]

Interesting that the two videos refer to child of light in one and children of light in snither

Yeah

I’ve updated the doc to include both phrases

[humble barn]

i think skykids and the king are children of light, so both references work fine

[hollow pier]

I’ve been thinking about krabs again, someone pointed out they’re similar to butterflies in that they travel in circles, but I don’t think it’s been mentioned that the fact they rush at you when you honk is also like butterflies!

I’m still not sure if they’re corrupted butterflies though, as they’re so much larger than butterflies and butterflies fly, krabs don’t.

Perhaps krabs are amalgamated piles of butterflies?

[humble barn]

mantas fly in circles

[hushed steeple]

I thought crabs were corrupted jellyfishes— but the theory of amalgamated butterflies sounds much more cooler

[humble barn]

butterflies or manta, i think it's possible the crabs are from waste of light creatures

[hushed steeple]

Are krills hunters or guardians...

[humble barn]

can be both

[hushed steeple]

If they are hunters...why do they hunt

[humble barn]

maybe to guard something

[sharp bone]

for s u s t e n a n c e

[simple bronze]

krills hunt because if they dont they will die

life

kill or be killed

also

is the vault just endless

[zinc arrow]

krills just dont like light ig

[ember zodiac]

Skykids are not kids.. They are from dwarven race

[hollow pier]

I believe the vault exists in a pocket dimension similar to how the elder cutscenes don’t take place in the world of Sky but somewhere slightly adjacent

[blazing terrace]

Isn’t the vault supposed to be a dream?

[unborn fog]

no, vault is not supposed to be a dream

it is said in a livestream that it is dream like

it has also been confirmed to be preparation for eden

and if you look to the left when the whale smashes the building you will see the summit of vault

so there is a lot of proof that vault is not a pocket dimension and not a dream

but rather embedded in the eden mountain itself

and is a simulation

does that make more sense

[hushed steeple]

Can someone explain the whole lore to me I have no idea what’s happening

[unborn fog]

hello

welcome

to the fascinating world

of sky lore

join us

lol okay what do you want to learn about first lily