lore-discussion-spoilers

[lament barn]

:3

Heheh

Nuuu

WhEre dId yOu gOOooOo

Aha

Hello

Welc

ome

:3

[noble sandal]

yeah

it's possible the scholars experimented with a ton of things

if i say frankenstein manta that's pretty far fetched

[lament barn]

:0

[noble sandal]

but the ghost mantas are part of the dreamscape thing

[lament barn]

oH

maybe they were an experiment

[noble sandal]

possibly

[lament barn]

:0

[noble sandal]

but since each level of the vault is representing a kingdom

it's also possible they just exist

i don't have an idea why tho

oo wait i just got something

so the diamond elevator is solid

we can stand on it

and on each level ther'es platforms we stand on too

but besides that everything else is uhhm

like see thru and sort of dreamy

[lament barn]

Indeed

[noble sandal]

so the scholars might've used illusions to make scenarios and stuff for an experiment or mini models or whatever

like the tree things in the second level are white and look weird

ithey might be illusions

i dunno i'm really tripping

whas fa

WAIT THEY DI

DO

[lament barn]

Trees-?

[noble sandal]

OH wait i remember what now

yeah truuu

so they might've been aware of this land then

but they were'nt supposed to crash on it

OO

i just had a revelation

if following the theory that the forgotten ark spirits came after eden

and were looking for a new land to restart civilization

then they might've survived bc they're all scholars

[lament barn]

where-?

[noble sandal]

and were in the vault

which is shown to be one of hte sturdiest places in the game

after eden explosion

since it's mostly left intact despite it literally being the closest place to eden

^^^^

they just kinda

yeah

grow

[lament barn]

Ohh

Now I remember

Thanks!

Hahah

[noble sandal]

crap i gtg to sleep

okay have fun guyss

stay safe

[lament barn]

shWoOp

You too

[noble sandal]

gnn yall

[lament barn]

Sneep now

:3

Well

...

Is everyone sneeping?

[vale ridge]

Not me

[lament barn]

Hello

[vale ridge]

:3

Heyya

[lament barn]

:3

Haii

Hehe

[vale ridge]

Linnea emoji

[lament barn]

Haha

[lament barn]

Ohh

Okie

[lament barn]

:3

[sweet dirge]

Does anyone know what this is?

[hushed steeple]

No

[sweet dirge]

Lmao

[hushed steeple]

Where is that anyway

[sweet dirge]

At the top of the entrance to forest temple

[hushed steeple]

Yea i will go there

[sweet dirge]

[humble barn]

it's the forest elder's mask, the one she used to wear in her concept images

[sweet dirge]

:O

I see

That would've been a cool mask

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/703114922719969310

[sweet dirge]

:O ooo that one

Mmmm I want to snatch it

[humble barn]

@sturdy gate late to reply but I think the symbol you found in Eden is more close to the mask on the vault gate than the forest one

[sturdy gate]

Oh yessss

I forgot about the vault one

Hmmm it looks like this is how the elder design happened

Forest was one weird lady

XD

[sweet dirge]

:O

Who's the little dude on the right

[sturdy gate]

The dev in the corner?

Or that little dark Sky kid

[sturdy gate]

Aaaa ok

I know something about that

Ummmm let me find the concept art for that

[sweet dirge]

:O

[humble barn]

most likely he's the prince/king

[sturdy gate]

Anyone a link to Tom ... (forgot his name T^T) site?

[humble barn]

the site is pinned in this channel

[sturdy gate]

Oh ok

Thanks!

[sweet dirge]

Ahah he's so smoooll

[humble barn]

as small as the supposed skykid on the left

[sturdy gate]

Here

That’s what I think it is

An indifferent Sky kid

Or even a Descendant (fir pic)

First*

[sweet dirge]

:O

I see

[humble barn]

descendants are skykids we know

[sweet dirge]

Forest elder is fabulous

[sturdy gate]

Pointed diamond = ancestor

Hmmm

WAIT

WHY ARE THE ELDERS DANGEROUS

[sweet dirge]

:O

Maybe because of the darkstone

[humble barn]

they are old concepts and not everything is true in game now

[sweet dirge]

Ah I keep forgetting the fact they are just concept art

[sturdy gate]

Well I’ll leave you guys with this

;))

[willow pumice]

Do you think these stones are actually a dark stone? They both recharge your cape light

Also, is there are dark stone under this campfire? Because this is the strongest fire source in the game and the fire doesn’t die.

[drowsy spoke]

I think so

But how does darstone work really?

I thought it was untrustworthy

And I personally think that no, the ancestors are not to be trusted

They may look like they want to help you. But do NOT trust them

[worthy mist]

Kinda agree. There's just something about them and the way they seem to hold back information like they don't want skykids to learn about the truth behind the destruction of their civilization

[heady sequoia]

I- i dont know what to say...

[normal berry]

maybe this lil dude is eden's elder lol 👀

[worthy mist]

Certainly looks evil enough 👀

[normal berry]

actually all jokes aside i kinda like the theory that there was an eden elder that was
responsible for everything that happened

[worthy mist]

They've got sassy's hair cosmetic tho 👀👀

[normal berry]

i imagined that they would look bigger/scarier tho

i doodled my take on what an eden elder could look like, should i pos it here or some other channel

[worthy mist]

I think here would be fine. It's lore discussion anyway

[normal berry]

oki

Mind the poor linework/ symmetry tool. i did this with my mouse lol

[worthy mist]

[normal berry]

hah thanks

[worthy mist]

I like that she's malevolent and corrupted

The cracked mask and darkness are a nice touch

[normal berry]

I imagine that she discovered something (darkstone or those red crystals perhaps) that the other elders didn't approve of, she made some sort of mistake that led to the eden diamond and herself getting corrupted (hence the "if only they had listened')

[lethal stump]

The screenshot looks like a smaller version of the King (wasteland statue version)

Even the mask looks similar, with what looks like a diamond in the middle

[normal berry]

Which also makes sense to why they are so secretive, maybe they are trying to cover it up in shame of an elder, their own kind, causing the destruction you see in the game

[worthy mist]

Yes!

[normal berry]

@lethal stump that would be hilarious, cause you see these GIANT statues of the king and then he's actually tiny

@worthy mist nah thats vault elder

[lethal stump]

I kinda have my own funny headcanon that the king is actually a very young lad, who was easily corrupted by hubris leading to the downfall of his kingdom

[worthy mist]

Not sure why vault elder was found crying at the elders' tombs though

Might be more plausible than you think

[normal berry]

Maybe, I just figured they were crying over their mistakes/the destruction of the kingdom or something

[worthy mist]

True, but why just the Vault elder

[normal berry]

Yeah

[worthy mist]

Vault elder is also the only one with a cracked/chipped mask, so there's alot to unpack there

[normal berry]

I assumed they were the one to seal away eded so maybe the mask got damaged from that

[worthy mist]

Possible. Vault is also closest to eden so at the very least they bore the brunt of the impact

But it also seems as though they survived everyone else, and perhaps bc of that tried to catalouge as much as they could and seal knowledge away in the archives

[normal berry]

Oooh I like that idea

[worthy mist]

Vault also seems to be he pinnacle of innovation, so instead of documenting events the way other elders did, they stored info in jars/nodes that line the walls of the vault. Except much like the technology that was lost, skykids cant read that information anymore

Its like storing data onto servers, but not having the computers to process them 😂

Vault elder could hold the key to rebuilding the world of sky and its civilization

[hollow pier]

that little person next to the other elders in the concept art is 100% the prince and in old concept art one of the eden elders

I wonder who the eden elder is now

once upon a time we had both the prince and the king as eden elders (and before that we had the prince who became the king)

and we've got confirmation that there once was an eden elder, so I wonder which eden elder we have in the current lore?

the prince or the king?

probably the king, since we have king statues in wasteland tbh

[humble barn]

imo the prince and the king was still the same person in later concept

like, prince was a good part of the king

[hollow pier]

there was concept art where the prince saves us from the king but I suppose, one way of looking at that was yeah^^^ the good part of the king before the corruption saves us

I rather like that theory

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/706782626731524147

Kinda bold theory about the king, but I also remember seeing similar theories (not a clone theory but theories of skykids being the king) long ago in this channel, based on facts like elders bowing to us in the vault cutscene and our friend constellation being the Eden crown

[fading bear]

Is there a confirmed name for the power diamonds?

[sly kestrel]

U can call em artificial stars if u want

[fading bear]

is it official?

[sly kestrel]

Well an old concept called them that

[fading bear]

I'm sorry if that sounds rude hehe

[sly kestrel]

But personally I jus call em power diamonds

[fading bear]

ooh cool

nice

[sick path]

Kinda bold theory about the king, but I also remember seeing similar theories (not a clone theory but theories of skykids being the king) long ago in this channel, based on facts like elders bowing to us in the vault cutscene and our friend constellation being the Eden crown
@humble barn I’ve interpreted this image as the Skybird creating us...could it be considered cloning us too? Maybe we are being bowed down to because we were sent by Skybird itself?

[humble barn]

I think the shattered souls leading to cloning were not exactly what Megabird intended

[sick path]

Ah ok

[humble barn]

and we are bowed down by elders because we are the bosses lol

[sick path]

Also, does anyone remember seeing the full image of this? I distinctly remember the boatman (seen just past the gate in the image) having a crown

[worthy mist]

I've always interpreted the elders bowing as a means of honoring a skykids sacrifice and perseverance in making it to the end. Much like the way way the emperor bowed to mulan at then end. But i like these theories too

[humble barn]

I think* skykids have a direct connection with Megabird, but that might be the same for elders too

yeah and like hobbits bowed by everyone including the king of Middle Earth

if there wasn't the friend constellation and the one kid in the opening cutscene I would just think the bowing was honoring

[sick path]

@worthy mist @humble barn I defs lean away from the cloning theory, but wondered how people arrived at that thought 🤔 And if the image I posted could be read that way at all

[humble barn]

ah

[worthy mist]

Ive just realsed megabird is modeled after a phoenix

[humble barn]

the image on the lake is this^

so it's not related to that cloning theory

[sick path]

@humble barn ahhh yesss tysm

I was wondering if I had hallucinated it

[humble barn]

Ive just realsed megabird is modeled after a phoenix
@worthy mist I think so too

[worthy mist]

Makes sense why fire and rebirth is an underlying thing for skykids

[sick path]

@worthy mist Yes, so it’s consistent with the rebirth story telling <—- what I wrote before you posted ahah

[worthy mist]

Skykids turn into blue orb spirits too, but why are they the only beings given the choice to reincarnate? What i mean to say is: spirit elders are out there sky surfing in orbit, but dont step through to the light to return to sky. Why?

[sick path]

Maybe because they settled when they had gone to “earth”, and so Megabird chose children instead for their never ending curiosity to explore?

[humble barn]

The spirits might have attained eternal rest, freed from eternal suffering of life.

Or maybe they would be reincarnated one day, but just not yet

imo skykids are the only ones who reborn as the same (or almost the same) beings

[worthy mist]

@sick path hmm yes, i agree. if they needed the world of sky restored, skykids' enduring curiosity and resilience would certainly see to that

Theyre just like whoop end of the week time to d*e

[sick path]

LMAO 🤣

[humble barn]

shall we go die and get some candles

[worthy mist]

@humble barn im still waitinf for the other shoe to drop on the elders. Theyre hiding something

[sick path]

It really do be like that when you’re desperate 🤣

[worthy mist]

Ikr? Oh no ts is here, need that extra candle...IN ORBIT

[humble barn]

so we know what skykids do is not really reincarnation

[worthy mist]

Energy transference

[humble barn]

we don't reborn as a baby manta or baby krill, but every time as the same or similar me

[worthy mist]

Oh no! What if the weekly lightchildren freeing is really skykids powering up megabird

Yes!

Basically skykids are rechargable batteries

[humble barn]

sounds like a zero-sum game

[sick path]

@humble barn the definition of reincarnation defs doesn’t fit with what is going on in orbit and after

[humble barn]

yeah so Im saying skykids do NOT reincarnate

[sick path]

Absolutely

As in I’m agreeing with you xD

Sooo

What is it that we’re doing?

Are we like a gateway?

[worthy mist]

Elders out here lying to us from day one

[cold steppe]

is it something similar to regeneration but you're just restored to the same body?

[noble sandal]

reborn

[humble barn]

We are specifically told to "Bring our lost stars home."

[cold steppe]

yeah, we're reborn, not reincarnated

[humble barn]

but I think we are also sent to fix something really wrong in the world of Sky

[sick path]

We’re containers, knowing we are filled, only to be emptied again

And again

And again

[humble barn]

to fix that red diamond

[worthy mist]

yeah, we're reborn, not reincarnated
@cold steppe basically the same way a phoenix is anyway

[cold steppe]

perfect metaphor!

[sick path]

@cold steppe basically the same way a phoenix is anyway
@worthy mist yeah! XD

[worthy mist]

So we're megabirb's kids then :')

[humble barn]

that's why I think skykids are children of megabird

yeeeeeeees

[cold steppe]

same

[noble sandal]

^^^^

[sick path]

Yeees

[cold steppe]

the old concept art had a nice explanation

[sick path]

Children of the Light

[cold steppe]

that we ascend to megabird and a reborn in megabird

[humble barn]

minibirbs

[cold steppe]

or something

which could also explain why we can fly and the elders and spirits couldn't

[sick path]

The Light = Megabird

[cold steppe]

so I actually had a theory a while back (or expanded on one) about megabird

that the portal we go into is the megabird

[worthy mist]

Plus in the credits we see megabirb and its as if we originate from it

Yesss

[cold steppe]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/669388649086844928
my megabird theory with pictures

the main gist of the theory is the the fact that we can see the megabird constellation in orbit and see less of it as we go into the portal, which lines up with the constellation

[humble barn]

I thought we are leaving the megabird when we pass the portal

[cold steppe]

I never really finished the theory, but my thoughts were/are that we pass into the portal (which is the megabird) and the megabird kind of spits us out when we go shooting star

[humble barn]

and thought the orbit with the constellation table and the gate was inside the megabird

[cold steppe]

that could also make sense

we need more lore

[humble barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH9vvTdKHPE

either she or somebody else sings to us when we get close to the portal

[sick path]

Ooo okay...so if we take this image I shared, then what if we aren’t flying off of the megabird, but onto it’s wings/towards it to become part of it and then shot out of it’s mouth?

[humble barn]

if only I could understand what the song meant

[cold steppe]

ah, yeah, the whispering

[humble barn]

@sick path I think that's basically right

[cold steppe]

is the singer singing in an actual language, or just "sounds"?

[humble barn]

jump to 0:37

she is definitely saying something in a language we don't understand

I think in the same language as the credits song

[cold steppe]

by "sounds" I was meaning more like do they have meaning or are they just nonsense vocalizations (or whatever the term is)

[worthy mist]

What if going through the portal to megabird is the only thing that enables a rebirth. As in, if skykids are descendants, and elders can no longer be reborn into the world, the skykid hybrid is the only being capable of withstanding megabirb's rebirth and power infusion

[stuck oyster]

Theory time

so when we die in eden, we're not reborn as the same skykid. We're reborn as a skykid we save. But the skykid possesses some of your past memories, and so they go out and collect the winged lights so they can one day save you like you saved them

[humble barn]

The composer confirmed they created a language for the credits song so I believe the gate song does have a meaning too

[stuck oyster]

WAH

[cold steppe]

oh cool

[stuck oyster]

Fixed

[cold steppe]

then I definitely agree that the gate song is in the same language

so it was a created language, not a combination of existing ones?

[worthy mist]

I dont play with sound so i really need to start listening to these things 😂

[sick path]

So I looked up the symbolism of the diamond shape

Could be like a mother singing to her child

While still in her stomach

[worthy mist]

Oh yes it did sound like that actually

[humble barn]

@cold steppe It might have some elements taken from existing language but so far no one had deciphered the meaning of the credits song

[worthy mist]

The first time i heard it as a moth i remember thinking it sounded like the celebration of life, but soothing and welcoming

[humble barn]

not a word

we hear the credits song when we reborn and when we enter the Isle

[worthy mist]

It could be a language sung in reverse too

[cold steppe]

I know it's not the same composer (or game), but I just looked up I Was Born for This and the wiki says it uses 5 languages, including Latin and Japanese. I wonder if the credits song is similar, though I would have thought someone could have recognized a bit

[worthy mist]

I certainly heard bits of sino-tibetan language

[cold steppe]

a video on YT has the lyrics "written out" in the comments for Sky's credit song

[humble barn]

well I looked up the lyrics of I Was Born for This

[cold steppe]

also, did they change the credits song?

[humble barn]

and can see there are Latin, French, Japanese and some other lines I can't identify what language

but when I see the written out lyrics of the Sky credits song, I see nothing

[cold steppe]

wiki says Greek

and old English

[sick path]

End credits is also the first song we hear in Isle

[cold steppe]

so Latin, Greek, old English, French, and Japanese for Journey

[sick path]

Part of it anyway

[humble barn]

ah makes sense Mael is me to feran may be old English and Ahleto men mei nostos is probably Greek

[cold steppe]

I ran the one person's lyric interpretation for the Sky credits song through google translate and it came up with a translation for 1 line and interpreted it as Hawaiian

the wiki for Journey says that the Greek part is from the Iliad

[sick path]

Ahh can I pls have punctuation for that sentence @humble barn ...I can’t tell which is which

[humble barn]

unfortunately i couldn't copy and paste. ask google

[sick path]

All good ty

[humble barn]

np sorry I had difficulty typing accents with my PC keyboard

[sick path]

It’s ok..I was just confused with “Mael is me to feran may”

[humble barn]

"Ωλετο μέν μοι νόστος,

[sick path]

“Oh my gosh”?

[humble barn]

maybe not this part

[sick path]

😅😅

[humble barn]

but anyway, I can say this is not what they did in the credits song of Sky

[cold steppe]

definitely not

[humble barn]

I saw a clip of an orbit song in old beta which actually sounded like Japanese (but probably not in Japanese) let me se if I could dig that piece

https://youtu.be/tonp1tVpeeU?t=319

^

[sick path]

Oof off to bed guys! Gn and happy loring!

[willow pumice]

Do you think the most common things in this game have a significant role in the lore of the sky? Most common things such as wardrobes where we change our outfit, benches where we chat with strangers for a limited time and candle message stones where we put our message and get a free heart if we get 10 likes.

And also the bell in the home which rings each 15 minute and spread a strong beam of light for a short period.

[sly kestrel]

Ehhh

In my opinion those jus seem like game mechanics

[primal vault]

What stages of life do the realms represent?

[hushed steeple]

What stages of life do the realms represent?
@primal vault Being born, young being, adolescent being, college graduate, adult, old, and deth

[primal vault]

Wow that’s amazing

[sly kestrel]

The central idea that the devs came up with is birth, childhood, teenage, adulthood, midlife crisis, old age/enlightenment, and then death

[ruby birch]

quick question, does anyone know why the home statues everywhere look the same except for the one in the wastelands?

[feral kayak]

It changes in the forest too.... the second part, I have been wondering the same

Also.... a great interesting idea I think That Game Company should add is after you complete every constellation in the game.... you can buy white and gold manta wings for 6 hearts with a headset!! This would interest many Sky players to be up for the challenge. I am sorry if I can not pay for anything in Sky.... so you might not bother to read this. But thats okay.... its just an idea I am hoping that you can consider!! 😄

[hushed steeple]

Is there an actual reason we go into eden? A reason to attempt to push through the storm??

should i mark as spoiler... the channel already says spoilers

[night sleet]

well we go to eden to deliver light to the fallen statues

[hushed steeple]

Any ideas for a D&D oneshot set in the world of Sky? I am not familiar with the lore of this setting, but it could be a fun one time thing

[sly kestrel]

I love how u guys asked a bunch of questions and no one bothered to answer

Mowana those bird statues used to be home statues that u would go to return home, they are very old and I’ve seen them in use ever since Sky Light Awaits was out. The model is supposed to be a bird statue and there was an update that said these bird statues would be removed but a lot of em still exist. But anyways, there’s more statues than jus the one in wasteland, there’s one in forest and valley as well

I never use them but I think they still work

Also.... a great interesting idea I think That Game Company should add is after you complete every constellation in the game.... you can buy white and gold manta wings for 6 hearts with a headset!! This would interest many Sky players to be up for the challenge. I am sorry if I can not pay for anything in Sky.... so you might not bother to read this. But thats okay.... its just an idea I am hoping that you can consider!! 😄
@feral kayak you should add this to #wishlist-and-ideas-archived if u want the devs to see it

[celest spoke]

Speaking of the regular home statues, they’re also the mom-shaped lanterns in Eden and I just noticed that from the side, Battlefield’s broken gatehouse spire has a somewhat similar shape

[ember zodiac]

What's this near me?

[celest spoke]

Ppl say broken krill horn

[ember zodiac]

quick question, does anyone know why the home statues everywhere look the same except for the one in the wastelands?
@ruby birch Maybe because it is a battlefield, signs of ruins and destruction

Ppl say broken krill horn
@celest spoke there are two here on the left and right sides of the platform I'm standing

[celest spoke]

Giant krill booped that ship real good

Though there’s some vaguely similar jaggedy bits inside ark’s crab farm so idk

[ember zodiac]

What stages of life do the realms represent?
@primal vault Yeah.. They also represent the time of the day...
Dawn, morning, day (rain), afternoon, evening, night, before dawn (storm)

[normal berry]

Hey i keep seeing screenshots from this concept timeline/ art but where can i find the whole thing?

[sly kestrel]

Keep in mind that this backstory is very old and it isn’t the current storyline we have today

[normal berry]

thank you!

[hushed steeple]

Hello everyone! So basically does anyone has like the full theory,like everything,from isle to eden(such as theories about how darkness came,"if only they had listened",symbols,writings on walls,were there certain ruler or rulers who ruled every realm,what did elders do wrong so the storm came in eden and how the battle in wasteland happened and similar) I assume u guys already talked about this,but im quite new to these discussions and I will keep scrolling for hours until I find all of it T^T

[fringe anvil]

@hushed steeple There are many lore theories out in here! There isn't much confirmed to be cannon lore but whatever is known can be found under the pins!
If you would like, I can pm you about it!

[hushed steeple]

@fringe anvil oh thank u for mentioning pins :)

[fringe anvil]

@hushed steeple of course!

I was reading some of what was said earlier and I have a thought. Our mission is to bring the fallen stars back home. Yet, the climax of the game results in our sky kid inevitably dying before the broken power diamond. We are continuously reborn only to die in the same area.

On a different note, Eden has/had an elder that is lost to us. No where in the game do we actually see or really cross a depiction of the lost elder (that I am aware of). Surely their spirit still exists. All of the other inhabitants of sky have died, yet their spirit is preserved in memories. Why would it be any different for the Eden Elder?

I believe that when the Eden catastrophe occurred, it broke the power diamond. This event unleashed unstable/uncontrolled energy that is causing the Eden storm. Along with this, I also believe that the Eden Elder is missing because they were present at the time of the disaster. The Elders memory/spirit could be within or very near the broken power diamond, which could explain why we are drawn to that area.

[jade river]

I would like to believe that the eden elder is lile a administrator of the diamond factory at the top of the mountain

That tried to stop the storm but wasn't able

And this elder must be trapped somewhere at eden but was forgotten due to the strengh of the storm

The fact that we see some statues were we can recover light means that it has been a long time since eden was destroyed

That easily some centuries have been pased

This could explain why almost all history was forgotten and we can only see it at walls

(Maybe you talked about this but i wanted to share my opinion)

[desert sun]

i believe the devs have said as well that the eden elder has "nothing left to save" which would explain their absence from sky

[sly kestrel]

I thought they removed the king like, REMOVED REMOVED HIM
We still have yet to prove if he is still relevant to the game or if he’s just an old concept character

[acoustic inlet]

If we think that in nature nothing is destroyed, everything is transformed, the king is still there, however indissoluble from the darkness.

[fringe anvil]

(Maybe you talked about this but i wanted to share my opinion)
@jade river you're good :D I really like your thoughts too! I have always thought that we arrived a LONG time after the initial events of the Edens collapse. I think that its possible (especially with the current season) that some spirits survived and lived for a while after. We are obviously sent after all the spirits deaths so, it would explain the time gap at least a little.

But I do believe that all the knowledge the sky kids need, to fully understand the history, is in the vault. Its just been so long, and we are so far removed from the spirits' society, that we can't access any of it. Which would leave us only with the pictographs.

As far as the Eden Elder goes, I LOVE THE CONCEPT. I'm only beginning to check out the eden lore so I havent thought about what the Elders role would be at all. The Elder being the ring leader would make so much sense

[sly kestrel]

That “eden elder” was known as the king

Only in his concept ideas, he wasn’t much an elder
More like a leader that was different from the rest

[fringe anvil]

If we think that in nature nothing is destroyed, everything is transformed, the king is still there, however indissoluble from the darkness.
@acoustic inlet oooOooooOo this would be a rad idea for why the Elder is missing!

[worthy mist]

According to concept art the king (or eden administrator) is trapped at the centre of the storm.

[fringe anvil]

i believe the devs have said as well that the eden elder has "nothing left to save" which would explain their absence from sky
@desert sun This makes me crazy curious! Thank you for telling me

[sly kestrel]

There’s lots of different concepts of the king

There is no “single” concept or idea of him bc there’s so many

[worthy mist]

True. At this point he's purposefully vague, perhaps bc he may show up at a future time

What about the ferryman though. The introduction of the forgotten ark level seems to be connected to him.

[fringe anvil]

According to concept art the king (or eden administrator) is trapped at the centre of the storm.
@worthy mist Thank youu! I'm pretty sure the damaged power diamond is also at the center of the storm? I really need to take an exploitative Eden trip

[worthy mist]

Its is. It's possible he's beyond the diamond shaped hole, and may even be the source of the storm

[sly kestrel]

@worthy mist Thank youu! I'm pretty sure the damaged power diamond is also at the storm? I really need to take an exploitative Eden trip
@fringe anvil .....well, don’t be like too sure bc these are jus things found in concepts and like I said earlier we don’t even kno if he’s in the game

[worthy mist]

True. Its all speculation at this point. None of it is canon, yet

[sly kestrel]

And I’m pretty sure kupo got that idea from the timeline, which is one of Tom Zhao’s OLDDD old concepts where the ark exploded and that’s what caused the enormous storm on the mountain. The king got stuck in the storm and was cursed along with the creatures who fought in this battle

And this timeline was made before the eye of eden was a thing
It was simply a mountain

[celest spoke]

But whaddabout the last mural in vault cutscene, of king eating apple

[celest spoke]

Also how long has the crescent moon (? or eclipse?) been in Eden

[worthy mist]

Thats an apple?

[fringe anvil]

@worthy mist ifs would be really cool if an Eden Elder would show up later at some point :D I'd be really interested to see if they would run with something similar to the old concepts or something completely new!

I know so little about the Ferry man! I read about him in the ancient story line but haven't seen anything else! Is there more on that concept?

OooOOo Interestng I cant wait to find out more about the storm!

[heady sinew]

Who's the ferryman

[acoustic inlet]

isle elder

[fringe anvil]

But whaddabout the last mural in vault cutscene, of king eating apple
@celest spoke I COMPLETELY MISSED THAT!

[heady sinew]

Ooooh!

I almost got heavily spoiled with Enchantment's ending. I really want time to pass so that we can know what the Orange Orb does to the ark

[worthy mist]

Wait are we sure thats an apple and not some newly created dark orb that eventually lead to the destruction of eden?

[heady sinew]

It's not apple shape

[worthy mist]

Ikr? Its round

[heady sinew]

Tho the japanese name for Eye of Eden is "Original Sin" so I understand where it came from

[celest spoke]

Meh symbolic “apple” bc Eden: red forbidden fruit of knowledge, red power diamond

[worthy mist]

Ahhhh

Red orb then looool

Perhaps the same way enchantment spirits terraform FA, the red orb terraformed Eden

[acoustic inlet]

The apple is similar to the lights that the enchantment spirits hold

[heady sinew]

At first I had a theory it's the end credit's/orbit's ball of light we see at the end. If the Eden King existed they might have been so greedy that they tried to consume Megabird's light

[worthy mist]

I like this theory. Concept art did paint the king as power hungry

[celest spoke]

Oh nooo “eclipse” is actually remains orb with huge bite missing

[heady sinew]

And in his attempt he couldn't hold such raw light power and caused the explosion!

[worthy mist]

But the orbit ball at credits is actually megabird tho

@heady sinew Explains his mural depicting awe

[celest spoke]

Tho tbh the mural could actually be kneeling figure offering orb to dark enthroned king, or dark spiky shape could even be krill looming behind

[acoustic inlet]

has eden mountain always been a place of ascension? i mean... beam has always been there?

[heady sinew]

Also, the mural shows the King wearing a crown that looks a lot like the favourite friends constellation. This could mean nothing at all but what if Megabird used the King's tiny remnants to create the skykid?

[celest spoke]

Also why is Orbit so offset from Eden beam? From most of the realms, they’re perfectly lined up so they look like the same place, but at the end it’s surprisingly a aways off (not just straight up)

[jade river]

@fringe anvil i would like to believe that both eden and wasteland are the oldest places at sky because of it's infrastructure and status, as desserts advance and swallow things (in a future the pyramids will be sunk under the sand) also of the condition of the place, wasteland is abandoned, completely abandoned there are non life forms apart from krills and crabs, also it's temple is nothing more than a way to enter vault of knowledge that it seems more like a storage room rather than the library it is, i think that the spirits arrived much later (like some decades after the war at wasteland and the eden chathastrophy) by that way I assume that eden and wasteland are way older than other kingdoms, due to it's infrastructure that seems more human rather than mythical and magical (maybe you talked about this but i just wanted to share my thoughts!)

[celest spoke]

So was all of wasteland originally like restored Ark area?

[heady sinew]

Hopefully

[acoustic inlet]

I guess Wasteland is a beach hahah like the isle

[jade river]

Yes it is

[acoustic inlet]

this explains the sand

[celest spoke]

But still no answer to WHY IS CRAB WHAT HOW WALK

[worthy mist]

Wasteland was formerly a seaport

[royal kiln]

Crab walk cycle = circle left circle right

[celest spoke]

Crab hokey pokey

[jade river]

Cræbs are the strongest being in the game

They pretend to be weak

But in reality

They are our gods

Respects cræbs

[acoustic inlet]

Crabs are the king in disguise

[fringe anvil]

@fringe anvil i would like to believe that both eden and wasteland are the oldest places at sky because of it's infrastructure and status, as desserts advance and swallow things (in a future the pyramids will be sunk under the sand) also of the condition of the place, wasteland is abandoned, completely abandoned there are non life forms apart from krills and crabs, also it's temple is nothing more than a way to enter vault of knowledge that it seems more like a storage room rather than the library it is, i think that the spirits arrived much later (like some decades after the war at wasteland and the eden chathastrophy) by that way I assume that eden and wasteland are way older than other kingdoms, due to it's infrastructure that seems more human rather than mythical and magical (maybe you talked about this but i just wanted to share my thoughts!)
@jade river I'm not sure when things were actually built 😅 my theory is that the wasteland used to abundant life in it like the other realms. But there is the process of desertification in over used areas. My thoughts are that, as the spirits became more industrialized, the land was overused and stripped of natural resources which led to the desertification of the zone.

[celest spoke]

But crab cat hiss/shimmy/pounce

[fringe anvil]

So was all of wasteland originally like restored Ark area?
@celest spoke that's my theory

[jade river]

@fringe anvil it's just a theory, but that's what i think!

@acoustic inlet it's cræb

[acoustic inlet]

oh sorry

[celest spoke]

Elon Musk’s kids prowl the desert and dark water

[acoustic inlet]

Crabs are babies krill... they look at us with those red eyes like the krills

[fringe anvil]

@fringe anvil it's just a theory, but that's what i think!
@jade river You're all good :D yours is super unique. I wish I knew more to co-conspire on your theory but I wanted to bounce ideas nonetheless

[worthy mist]

So are krills war machines or corrupted creatures

[jade river]

I would like to think what if there are skykids to refused to their destiny

And just roamed around the world finding their own porpuse

[worthy mist]

They certainly wouldnt embrace death every sunday

[jade river]

I would like to imagine skykids developing their little comunities and living their lives

[acoustic inlet]

Farm SkyVille

[jade river]

Skykid crossing, new horizons

[sly kestrel]

They were made and sent down specifically for their mission
I mean it’s not forbidden for them to deny their mission but, this is their main purpose

[jade river]

But what if a group of skykids didn't embrace their mission?

And truly began to develope personalities

As someone said

[acoustic inlet]

Sky world induces them to their mission, they have no choice

[worthy mist]

And the elders enforce their missions

Skykids are impressionable

Theyre the perfect scapegoats

[jade river]

When you go to eden and die, you are reborned as a skykid you saved and your memories are transfered to a new skykid, what if going to eden multiple times will make them develope their own thoughts, the memories they share and how they act

[worthy mist]

Its possible that after a time they tire of the cycle and seek other opportunities

[jade river]

It is proved that skykids have some kind of independence as they are the ones who select their friends at the corona constellation

[acoustic inlet]

I think we need to insert ourselves in this discussion... we are part of the personality of the child

[worthy mist]

Yup

[acoustic inlet]

In the introduction... the storyteller speaks straight to us

[jade river]

@acoustic inlet well that's true

So we are the skykid and we can choose if to embrace our destiny

Or to avoid it

I just want to see a village of skykids

Doing their things and being cute

Thatgamecompany must make a game where you make a village of skykids

[acoustic inlet]

A place where we just hug each others, because the hug emote is sooooo cute.

[jade river]

And when it rains over the village the skykids rush to their homes to protect their light

[waxen elbow]

Aw

I'd love to see that

[acoustic inlet]

Earlier they were taking about that comeback home lady. In roman mithology, Vesta is the goddess of the fire and home... maybe is a reference 🤷🏽‍♂️

I like that lady... it implies there's a female entity beyond the elders.

[waxen elbow]

...I think I missed that part

[acoustic inlet]

it was just about those bird statues... so they talk about the lady

[waxen elbow]

Hmm lemme scroll up

[sturdy gate]

Yesterday I had a little talk here about the old elders but I didn’t notice how the vault Elder looked like a long time ago woah
Do we know if the Vault Elder is a man or a woman?

[ember zodiac]

@jade river I'm not sure when things were actually built 😅 my theory is that the wasteland used to abundant life in it like the other realms. But there is the process of desertification in over used areas. My thoughts are that, as the spirits became more industrialized, the land was overused and stripped of natural resources which led to the desertification of the zone.
@fringe anvil clear implication to today's world, deforestation and desertification

[steep coyote]

@sturdy gate I always thought it was a Man... But what if is the Queen instead? The King consumed by the darkness died and the Queen was the only one left, that's why she's sad and she gives us that Diamond thing... Maybe the Diamonds were the symbol of the ex king

[sturdy gate]

Hmmm the only weird thing here it’s that he/she has a beard in the very first concept

[ember zodiac]

She has a beard?!

Hmm... Maybe they decided to change the gender

Nothing else

[heady sequoia]

Guys what about the endgame fight scene at the end but with sky kids

Krill are those dragon thingys on thanos's side

[lament barn]

:0

[sweet dirge]

:3

[vague plover]

Just popping in but, I feel like the elders dont really have a gender? I mean they can be represented masculine and feminine but I dont think they really are female or male.

[low seal]

^^ i feel the same becan

[celest spoke]

There’s a theory based on Home’s realm gates that Forest, Vault, and one of the Valley twins are female bc all three of them have tall topstones and Forest/Vault have diamond-shaped face icons instead of squared (both twins’ are triangular)

[hoary violet]

oooo i thought they were imitating their hair/head shape (i thought the tall twin head was for the valley boi hair)

[vast jasper]

@sturdy gate the person you are zooming in on with the beard is the vault elder not the eden elder. I believe the only elder we have not seen yet is the one on the far right, which could potentially be the eden elder

@vague plover I like that concept and see what you are saying, we don't even know if these people needed to reproduce or if they even did at all, so they might indeed not actually have a gender. However it's clear they have masculine and feminine traits. Most things we create have this just so people can relate to them easier since we ourselves are a diecious species. We are always putting male and female characteristics on things that don't have male and female gender. (Example. (The movie cars, and turbo a movie about snails)

[modern grail]

I have a kinda stupid question but I’m curious, lore-wise if everything comes from the same thing which is Light, what makes SkyKid different than the Children of Light (stars)?

[humble barn]

skykids are the children of light

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0XBmzddf40&feature=youtu.be&t=109

[vague plover]

@vast jasper yeah!! I understand that :D !! That's kinda how i see it as well and that's understandable!

[sturdy gate]

@vast jasper I think that black little weird sky kid thing is just a corrupted sky kid or something like that. In another concept art you can see the eden elder is represented as a huge creature and that thing is super tiny. The only strange thing is that it has the eden elder’s mask.

[vast jasper]

@sturdy gate plot twist, the eden elder has been a chibi all along

[sturdy gate]

Oh boi

[barren bloom]

What place this painting depicts?

The painting is from hidden forest

[neon mirage]

I think it’s the forest temple

The vertical lines are trees and there are boats bringing jars

[barren bloom]

The one building on top in the painting (on the sky in this photo) might be those building we passed when we go to orbit after eden, does it have a name? Or it's what u call orbit? 😅

[steep coyote]

It's most probably the Eden castle, or what could remain of it

And it's also a reference to the Castle in the Sky

[barren bloom]

What about this one?

Is it what we can see in the sky from prairie?

[humble barn]

That's the broken Eden castle and yes you can see it from some areas

[barren bloom]

Their technology must be so advanced that they can build such thing 😮

Unless, if the floating castle is a launched earthly ruin 😅

[humble barn]

We don't know what Eden castle looked like before it broke, but we do know that ancients were able to build floating buildings

and flying boats

So yes their tech was advanced in some ways.

[sly kestrel]

Advanced tech but at a great price 😬

🔷

[humble barn]

self-reflection time

[acoustic inlet]

maybe the physics is a little different... those floating stones

[lethal stump]

Inspired by the concept art posted earlier.
The King....
The Child King.
I also made up a little headcanon that has very little basis but I like it anyways: the big king statues we see are the Child King’s (aka CK) father. The mask is the crown of the kingdom of Sky, endowed with magic which make it stick to the wearer until the wearer dies. When the King dies, the elders (the royal advisors/lords, it’s a feudal system) reluctantly do the crowning ceremony. At first, CK is really excited to become king. But when he realizes that the mask won’t come off he freaks out.
Idk very well what happens from there, but basically because CK is, well, a kid, the powers of the mask overwhelm him and he becomes full of hubris. He starts being purposefully blasphemous towards the Stars (their gods). This leads to the creation of the Darkness. Wherever he goes, it spreads, and seeing that he’s the king who has to go places and do things, it spreads quickly. One of the most hard-hit area is the Golden Market (to be known as Golden Wasteland), since he was there the most. The darkness turns gentle creatures into violent ones. Once docile Sky shrimp (I made these up) become krill. Service crabs (Also a thing i made up) become the violent things we know now.
The castle, Eden, is the hardest hit, with it being destroyed entirely by CK’s greediness and selfishness. He’s cast from the thrown and the mask falls off, with a mind of its own, and morphs into the red diamond. CK dies, but is reborn...a skykid.
(Note that i called CK ‘Adam’ in the drawing, that’s just a reference to Eden, the carving of him eating the apple, etc., also a lot of this is non-canon so like. Plz be nice)

[desert sun]

THAT IS INCREDIBLE and i love it sm

i adore this headcanon

[lethal stump]

Omg thank you—

I’ll probably draw the sky shrimp and the service crabs so y’all get an idea of what they look like

[blazing terrace]

What’s the story behind the cry spirit, I never paid attention during the quest to figure it out, did her friends die in the cave? And she’s mourning them ?

[vast jasper]

I think it's deeper than that @blazing terrace , I always felt she was in a deep sadness, the loss of her environment, the loss of her loved ones and companions, and the realization of what their lives have come to, stuck in darkness until she too slowly fades away in utter loneliness, the light quite literally dying.

[rain olive]

They got stuck in a cave and she watched her friends die @blazing terrace

[desert sun]

she built graves for them and everything

i wonder why they couldn't escape from the top though?

[blazing terrace]

Maybe there was no top at the time

[lethal stump]

Where are the stories of the spirits ? Are they written down ? Or do we have to Just kinda guess ?

[hushed steeple]

Guys whats the purpose of the huge diamond in eden? I heard it consumes energy,but what energy and energy for what,also is there a king who ruled eden and if so,how did the storm came?

[sly kestrel]

The king is an old concept that we can’t confirm jus yet
But most of our guesses state that the eden diamond was unstable and exploded causing a massive storm

[desert sun]

Where are the stories of the spirits ? Are they written down ? Or do we have to Just kinda guess ?
@lethal stump iirc the stories of the spirits are in the pins somewhere

[lethal stump]

Thank you UwU

Now I can add stuff to my headcanon—

[desert sun]

go bonkers

Hmm so was eden like the first realm ever?
@hushed steeple if the intro cutscene is anything to go off of, then its a possibility

[steep coyote]

@lethal stump idk why but while reading I thought about Brother One (Drakengard 3 character there's also a manga about him). He became the main cause of a desease and everywhere he goes it spreads even further if he start using his power

[lethal stump]

OwO
Idk what to say but like thanks I guess
Im happy my headcanon reminded you of something lol

[steep coyote]

@hushed steeple it's not stupid, it's a theory so don't worry! ʕっ•ᴥ•ʔっ btw, for some aspects I agree, btw the Elders fell to Sky and decided to build their homes in the clouds, and later darkness became a real treat...

@lethal stump no prob hey ʕっ•ᴥ•ʔっ

[sly kestrel]

Nope the vault elder is on there, it’s the isle elder that is missing

And it’s based on an old beta model that used to represent that isle didnt count much as an actual level so it didn’t contribute to opening the door to eden
But that was old and it’s still confusing as to why the isle elder still isn’t on the door

[cold steppe]

ah, that makes sense

I was wondering about it when I went a few days ago

[heady sinew]

Consider me shocked at the fact that the Isle Elder is not on the Eden door

[desert sun]

i hope they add him soon

[gilded fossil]

/hey uh how are there birds in prarie?

[lethal stump]

Wdym ?

[gilded fossil]

/in the beggining when you just entered prarie there's like tons of birds

[lethal stump]

Yes, there’s birds

Do you think there shouldn’t be ?

[gilded fossil]

/i think we don't know where they came from

/becase they seem to be the only creatures that dont charge us

[lethal stump]

Birds charge you

[odd karma]

I took my own interpretation of the prince hfdnfdnfb

[lethal stump]

Owo i love him

[odd karma]

particularly scrawny and not too intimidating hsfhsnfb

[craggy nexus]

ooh, the cape / shawl kinda reminds me of the old forest elder concept!! Lovely work!!

[crisp whale]

"no cost too great..."
And that reminds me of hollow knight

[odd karma]

and you would be correct

perhaps,

[lethal stump]

Angy sticc boi

[odd karma]

too bad he may have gotten blown up

[lethal stump]

Imo we’re the angy sticc boi

reinstalled

*reincarnated, not reinstalled

[odd karma]

perhaps

[willow pumice]

Nearly each mechanism in this game get their power from dark stones such as doors and bridges, but these 2 doors are the only exceptions as far as i discovered, only 2 butterfly provide enough energy to open this big door, so can we say that butterfly energy is equivalent to dark stone energy? If so why did they decide to use dark stones rather than butterfly? On the second picture; the door you see is the only door that works with physical energy, why do you think they decided to use their body power while there were easier ways like butterfly and dark stone?

[sly kestrel]

The prince may have looked scrawny back then but he would soon grow to be a ruthless king with extreme lust for power and end up destroying the entire sky kingdom and the murder of creatures

[lethal stump]

As much as that sounds cool Im keeping angy stick boi (my version)

[odd karma]

I mean he probably just became power drunk in the attempts to rule over a land that probably did not Want him to be there

[craggy nexus]

do not be fooled, the king too has stick legs
he hides them under the robe.....

[humble barn]

I think the prince didn't grow🔍

[lethal stump]

OwO

[sweet dirge]

Oh it's just a tiny dude controlling a mech

[lethal stump]

Sky is a mech anime
This is what TGC has been hiding from us all along........

[lament barn]

:0

Woahh

[lethal stump]

Or....

[humble barn]

well, though that concept could be scrapped, i still think there was the prince who later became the king, and the one with halo in the opening cutscene mural is him (he's the original of skykids)

the tiny figure in the huge king had been noticed by many people here months ago, but I am thrilled to see the concept actually fits my clone theory

[lethal stump]

Tbh i think the royal family came from the stars
They’re skykids, which is why everyone worshipped them in the first place (like, look at the price he looks exact like us)
But then with light comes darkness and who they thought was their messiah was actually their antichrist (don’t mind the religious wording, it’s just the best way to describe it)

[humble barn]

back then I thought mecha king was just a joke

who is the royal family?

[lethal stump]

Oh it’s my lil headcanon thing....

[humble barn]

ah ok

[lethal stump]

it’s basically like...there was a skykid who was sympathetic to the humans so left the stars to join them, and since the humans worshipped the stars, he became their ruler
This went on for a while, with every new incarnation of the sky king being a pretty good dude, since they all became king when they were ready
But then ‘Adam’ became king too young and the power corrupted him and the land

And from there, yada yada, king mech, the land and the humans are killed by the corruption and the storm, and Adam has to relieve the ruins of the kingdom over and over to repent

[humble barn]

hm, i'd like to point out that canon says skykids are something new

[lethal stump]

It do ?

Where ?

[humble barn]

devs said skykids are new generation

[lethal stump]

Ooo oki

[humble barn]

in one of the livestreams

[sly kestrel]

There are many other concepts of the king, and not gonna lie I rlly do doubt that he was small and was controlling a suit

[humble barn]

I rlly do doubt that he was small and was controlling a suit
@sly kestrelIs this because the idea does not fit Sky or are you saying you have never watched Japanese anime

I actually do think it does not fit, but still believe the prince did not grow. he should have had some other ways to become huge

[lethal stump]

Off topic but looking at that concept for Eden makes me thankful for the Eden we have now, j e e z

[humble barn]

it actually looks less scary to me, like a disney movie

[lethal stump]

Oh the appearance is lovely

What scares me is the list of hazards per act

Like- i can barely handle the rocks, wind, and krill in the last stretch before stormlock. Imagine having to deal with seven things

the what

the what

[humble barn]

turrets in wasteland

[lethal stump]

Of course it’s wasteland.....

[humble barn]

basically turrets are immobile krill

imo krill is worse lol

[lethal stump]

oh fun i love everything about that idea yep

Thank god those aren’t in the game

[vale badger]

I had fun with catapults in wasteland though

[lethal stump]

Those don’t harm you tho, don’t they ? I’ve never used one—

[lethal stump]

dark worm off the string
what skykids will he attack ?

[vale badger]

Those don’t harm you tho, don’t they ? I’ve never used one—
@lethal stump its much better than the cannon at office if you compare the distance it covers.... like boop said hahah

[lethal stump]

Owo rlly ?

Damn I thought the canon went pretty far

I should get around to using the catapult sometime...or just...be less afraid of wasteland in general

I know multiple ways to not get hurt by krill, but no matter what they succeed in giving me heart palpitations

[humble barn]

you'll get used to them

[vale badger]

krill's roar is not for the faint of heart

but I'm used to it after getting hit like 8 times now

[hushed steeple]

What’s the name of the big fish

And is it true it’s a krill?

[vale badger]

what is the whale and krill history.... I need a clear explanation

[humble barn]

krill being corrupted whale is just a theory

that is, we have no clear explanation on them

[vale badger]

I want to understand the lore behind the game but not much is given.

[humble barn]

yeah

[hushed steeple]

We need a library room in the vault of knowledge with books about the lore and history, short stories, journals

[humble barn]

written in languages we do not understand

[vale badger]

it could be in cutscenes

[hushed steeple]

Beautiful and we have to learn the language

[lethal stump]

did someone say languages

[vale badger]

a holographic scene on what happened

[lethal stump]

• puts on conlang cap *

[humble barn]

I did

[lethal stump]

Tbh I’ve been kinda thinking of piecing together what might be the languages of Sky

[humble barn]

start with the credits song

[lethal stump]

Problem is, I’m missing things which would otherwise lead to an easy translation, such as sounds or clear grammar

[humble barn]

well all I know is we cannot expect easy translation

[hushed steeple]

Who drew all the drawings on the walls, and also on the ship in the forgotten ark? The spirits? Does it also count as the language?

[lethal stump]

Those are predecessors to language

Cave drawings...if we look at the drawing style and compare it to the writings, we could try and guess if they’re ideographs

I know there’s about 3 writing styles in Sky
The ones on the bells, the ones on the Vault elder’s hat-mask-thing, and the ones on the Levitate mask-hat-thing

Although I think the Vault and Levitate ones are two of the same system, one is just simplified

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/638217936145743904

I haven't added information on the symbols in the vault archive cubes (The top and bottom planes of the cubes are blank, and the rest of 4 sides are covered with 4 symbols, all placed in exactly the same order. Sometimes the cube is upside down.) but you can find pics of others here

[hushed steeple]

Ohhhhh thank you!

[lethal stump]

See, I’m trying to think of this in a semi-anthropological way, considering how the society would have developed
If we look at the writing system on the bells, it’s very likely that it’s an logogramic system. There’s too few characters for it to be anything but.
But the other (only other) writing system we see seems to be more akin to either an alphabet or a syllabary. I’m not surprised that we see it in Vault, because as the society progresses, it would definitely need a better writing system to catalogue information
Is this realistic ? Ehhh. The most realistic way for this to go is the logograms becoming part of the syllabary, although I doubt there would have been new additions of letters. That almost never happens, it’s usually the other way around. But if we look on the Vault elder’s hat, it’s clear there’s symbols we’ve never seen, even in the presupposed logograms. My second guess is a Hangul type system, like what Mochi said in their google doc when observing the bell logograms

And then there’s the possibility I’m over analyzing this

which I believe is false

[sweet dirge]

Big brain time

[humble barn]

the symbols in the vault archive are different from those on bells

[lethal stump]

I think the cubes are decorative, although they could also be logograms as well

I wouldn’t be surprised if it does

[humble barn]

we do not know that

[lethal stump]

3 different writing systems, yes, that’s a possibility

[humble barn]

at this point I don't know if the symbols were writings

[lethal stump]

I think it is safe to assume they are, Mochi

[humble barn]

there's no enough information to assume anything safely tho

[lethal stump]

True, but thinking from a cultural standpoint...would you put pointless angular drawings on every single one of your bells for no other reason than they look good ?

If they were patterns, it’d be iffy, but these are clearly thought-out writings

[humble barn]

"not a writing" does not mean "pointless"

drawings are not writings but they have a point

[lethal stump]

If they were drawings, they would resemble the other Sky drawings, no ?

But they don’t. They’re something unique from the drawings. They’re probably an advancement of the drawings. Writing.

[humble barn]

writing isn't advanced drawing

[lethal stump]

• glances at China and Egypt *

It can be

[sweet dirge]

advanced drawing

[humble barn]

and there can be more than one drawing style

we know that from irl

[lethal stump]

irl like something the devs said or an example from a language/culture ?

[humble barn]

well look at cartoons and renaissance paintings...

[lethal stump]

Yes, but I’m referring to before that

[humble barn]

cave paintings all over the world and and Nasca lines

even Nasca lines alone have multiple styles

[lethal stump]

Im going back to the creation of writing...it’s been shown that the precursor to written word has always been some kind of logographic or ideographic system
Really really ancient Chinese
Ancient Egyptian
Phoenician (which led to Greek and Latin as well)
Aztec
First comes drawing, then comes writing. And I think that the people of Sky have writing, in the most easy way. Logograms

Even Norse, linguists have been seeing logogram-esque patterns with the Norse alphabet and there are theories it stemmed from drawings of items which simplified over time

[humble barn]

logography is not the precursor to written word

[lethal stump]

Im not saying it is

Im saying drawing is

Drawing leads to logography

[humble barn]

no, the idea of writing lead to logography

and they used drawing as a tool

[sweet dirge]

[humble barn]

the idea of writing was hard to come by, that's why writing was invented only 2-4 times in human history

[lethal stump]

I mean, depends on your definition of writing

You could argue that the Mayan knot-language was writing. Some think it is, some think it isn’t

And depends on your definition of invented

[humble barn]

that's only because there's still debate on how much information the knots could convey

and not because they are knots

it's Inca btw

Mayan had a writing system but I think you already know that

[lethal stump]

I think we’ve gotten off-topic
My main point is
I think it’s reasonable to assume the people of Sky have some kind of written language. Judging by the fact they drew everywhere and the commonality of drawings becoming logograms becoming whatever else, we can try out the theory that their language is logographic. I might be wrong, I might be right. We don’t know, but in the world of translating video game languages you never know unless the devs give an answer
Right, Inca, I always get them confused, sorry

Also how advanced they are technologically...without a writing system, how would they be that advanced ? It’s unrealistic to think they would have things like power diamonds and floating boats without a writing system

[humble barn]

I believe they did have a writing system, I am just not sure if the engraved glyphs we see are writings or not

[lethal stump]

What do you think they are then ?

If you have a theory, that is

[humble barn]

I wrote my theories on those in my doc

my "I am not sure" does not mean "I have another theory I believe"

[lethal stump]

I just read your doc again...to me it seems that you also believed it to be a writing of some sort

[humble barn]

About the symbols, it's like "I think they are writings but I am not quite sure, there is no sufficient evidence to support that theory"

yeah

[lethal stump]

Why are we arguing then, we agree

[humble barn]

I don't know why, maybe we are lost in translation

[lethal stump]

I think
You and I both think it’s writing
But I’m more stubborn in my resolve than you are

[humble barn]

yeah and I like keeping things left unsettled😂

[lethal stump]

I think we can look past that slight difference and work on trying to decode it tho

Whatever it may be

We should try every theory we can, just in case

[humble barn]

yeah as long as theories are labeled theories I am okay

[lethal stump]

Personally imma start with mine and see if it goes anywhere

[humble barn]

but anyway I believe it's difficult to decode the symbols we have right now

except for the vault mural, that's a lot of text

[lethal stump]

Mural ? Like what we see in the end of vault cutscene

?

[humble barn]

tho I think it's code and so it would be really hard to decode too

yes cutscene mural

and it's possible that those symbols were not designed to be readable

[lethal stump]

What I think would be hilarious is
fans: we decoded and theorized the language and writing system of sky
devs:
devs: yeah about that.........they’re just squiggles

[humble barn]

[lethal stump]

[humble barn]

iirc Journey glyphs were just random glyphs?

[lethal stump]

Aw really ? I was kinda looking forward to trying to translate them

[humble barn]

I don't know much about Journey lore, and just watched a part of video on how devs made the Journey glyphs

[lethal stump]

I haven’t finished the game yet, the guardians scare me ><

[humble barn]

I was too used to krill that I could get away from them too well, had to intentionally expose myself to see what they do😂

[lethal stump]

Oh dtdssfgddgfg

I haven’t gone past the first room where you see a guardian, I’m too much of a scaredy-cat

[humble barn]

and back to Sky, we know that the credits song is sang in a conlang

[lethal stump]

Imma have to listen to it......Maybe with the power of brain I can discern some IPA sounds ?

[humble barn]

though I have no clue how to translate it,

I guess we have better chance

[lethal stump]

Already have an idea of sounds...

[humble barn]

i don't have a good ear to transcribe the song to IPA alphabet

[lethal stump]

Oh ive listened to the IPA so many times I know sounds to characters

It’s like linguist perfect pitch

[humble barn]

some people have transcribed it to English-style alphabet

[lethal stump]

Oh ?

[humble barn]

really? then I think you can transcribe it

though i know transcribing a song is more difficult than transcribing a normal speech

[lethal stump]

Yeah

You can’t tell what’s supposed to be a long or short vowel...sometimes consonants are skipped, etc

[humble barn]

it's sung by a human so there is no sound which human cannot pronounce

[lethal stump]

Ye ye

Hm, ive found an English transcription

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/703956056581341305

[lethal stump]

Meno'reah nah
Fordoh'fol'ah
Ni so ro woh'n horea
Lo sor'ha
Me'o ne o'te na
Fordoh me
Ni co
Ni co lo sor'ha

With this I’ll have an easier time doing the IPA

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/634031400445542440

here's another one

[lethal stump]

Lots of /a/
very very open sounding

Hm, i think the accents are a bit much

With the romanization and the audio, I’ll try and put together an IPA transcriptions

From there we can try and figure out how this might be written...

[humble barn]

thank you sir I really really look forward to it

[lethal stump]

Eeeeee

[humble barn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH9vvTdKHPE&feature=youtu.be

and there's a tiny bit of a different song which is probably sung in the same language (not confirmed)

[lethal stump]

Sounds very similar

But for now it’s almost 2 am so like
Imma sleep
This has been a very eventful night tho and now I have a cool thing I can do to procrastinate on schoolwork ^v^

[humble barn]

Haha good night!

[lethal stump]

Gn uwu

[drowsy spoke]

I think that it could be like a mega blast from eden that sort of wiped out the old civilisation?

The elders were strong tho so they didn't die, but got trapped in this loop outside or reality that they are forced to relive over and over again

[mellow sable]

man I just realized something that might have been very obvious for others

when we die, we turn into little blue light balls

much like the spirits

which begs the question

we're not the same race as the ancestors

so why do we die the same way?

could it be that the ancestors are also stars?

and not from the sky kingdom?

[humble barn]

I think it simply implies we all have souls

[drowsy spoke]

Hm so maybe star people in general have souls

So after we die our soul is oreserved

[sturdy gate]

Do we know that beautiful song’s from isle lyrics?

[narrow siren]

Is this that megabird yall talk about

Sure don’t look like a bird

[humble barn]

I think it is. And the megabird we all talk about is not technically a bird

Do we know that beautiful song’s from isle lyrics?
@sturdy gate it's a part of the credits song. there are people transcribed the lyrics, but there is no official lyrics or translation available rn

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/703956056581341305

[sturdy gate]

Thanks!

We also have no idea who sings it right?

[humble barn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/auroramusic/comments/co2wnc/is_this_really_aurora_singing_on_the_ending_of/

I don't know for sure but^^

[sturdy gate]

Woahhhhhhhh that’s amazing!!

[ember zodiac]

Why are so many stars in the Eden corridor together?!!

And every shiny boi in resting pose

I don't know for sure but^^
@humble barn yes she is

Is this that megabird yall talk about
@narrow siren yes

Sure don’t look like a bird
@narrow siren Watch the credits till the end

Looks somewhat like a Phoenix

Is the Harry Potter castle is actually what was supposed to be the Eden elder temple?

[grim python]

Someone had a theory that winged lights develop when someone feels a strong emotion, so it’s probably all the skykids realizing they’re in the endgame now.

but idk

[ember zodiac]

Hello,so what exactly is the mega bird,is it like the life source of all light creatures,spirits...?
@hushed steeple Life itself

[wanton raptor]

Where the heck did the theory of mega bird come from

Is there stuff in the game?

[willow pumice]

Pompeii Vesuvius volcano eruption paintings and eden

[ember zodiac]

I'm confirmed now that the entity's name is Megabird..... 🤩

[mellow sable]

watching the elder cutscenes again I have three things to say

one, the elders seem to have "lost their flame" so to speak

they get all fancy when we give them ours

two, the ancestors had weapons that used light to augment their powers

and three, the diamonds were used not only as power sources, but also as stars

we know they're ARTIFICIAL stars

so what happened to the sky kingdom that would make them need to create artificial stars?

[ember zodiac]

We don't know

[mellow sable]

I'm convinced the cosmetic symbol means "light"

it's what shows up in the isle murals when the stars fall

[ember zodiac]

Light is the energy source

If you see the vault elder cutscene closely, you will see the King eating the fruit..

Reference to the first sin.. Bible

Something they did which led the kingdom to ruin...

"Only if they listened".... From the intro

[mellow sable]

looking at the murals it seems that at first the ancestors took the lights to a castle (Eden?) and then gave them to the elder to return them to presumably orbit

or wait

that castle isn't eden

it's the isle temple

[ember zodiac]

[sly kestrel]

so what happened to the sky kingdom that would make them need to create artificial stars?
@mellow sable it was their source of technology and the name artificial stars came from the concept of the diamond factories. But anyways, artificial stars are jus power diamonds, and power diamonds for them is like electricity for us

It was their tech and eventually led to their downfall

[mellow sable]

ahh

[unreal wind]

Yee

[cedar heron]

hiio, people

what's oreo?

[long mason]

I think it's the dog from that area in Prairie

The one that opens eith butterfly

[cold steppe]

Oreo is Jenova Chen's dog in real life as well

They put Oreo in as an easter egg

[cedar heron]

Ooo, tyy

[long mason]

You're welcome

[hoary violet]

How did these crabs get here?

The labyrinth is the only place in Vault with crabs i can think of...

It's also starting to be flooded in

Not polluted water tho

[heady sinew]

Piping system

[normal berry]

[hoary violet]

But are there pipes?

[broken basin]

Can anyone tell me a dark, closed place with water where crabs aren't present??

[pearl void]

Prairie cave

[hoary violet]

Isle cave

Under the bridge in Forest.

[desert sun]

note that valleys maze doesnt have water but crabs are present

[pearl void]

They are red

[hoary violet]

Theyre fried-

[desert sun]

thats just the lighting

[pearl void]

Sub species that can live on land huahuahua

[hoary violet]

Is it tho?

[desert sun]

i moved some crabs out of the lights and they turned out to be grey

[broken basin]

Crabs start coming from Forest

[desert sun]

either its a lighting error or crabs are red in that room specifically

[hoary violet]

Crabs start coming from Forest
@broken basin i mean... They do have a little cave there

[broken basin]

I have a question.
The king is dead, right??

[hoary violet]

But that doesnt mean they originally came from forest i guess...

[desert sun]

the king is a concept at least, no clue on wether the concept is still canon to the story

but assuming it is then yes the king is dead

[broken basin]

What if all the elders had killed the king as he was despotic.

[heady sinew]

Crabs live in dark and cramped places

Wasteland is an exemption, not cramped, at all

But it's dark so

[hoary violet]

And very polluted,,,

[desert sun]

i see, so they can only thrive in dark areas

much like krill, but krill dont appear in forest because even though its dark theres more light than dark

[heady sinew]

Yus

Kind of like Rollie-Pollies!

[desert sun]

krills roll up into a ball

[hoary violet]

Pretty sure they can!

[heady sinew]

Since the last update Krills fly faster than before and sometimes I see them do a spinny spin

Cute addition

[hoary violet]

heehoo spinnaroo

I saw some science news a while back that there is evidence of crustaceans helping pollination underwater. This includes Crabs and Krilll (or shrimp but ye)
I wondered if the falling particles from the dark creatures are like... Darkness pollen? And they spread darkness and pollution to the land :0c

[heady sinew]

Could be, since they're dark creatures after all it makes sense all that comes out of them is dark matter

[sly kestrel]

Fun fact
Crabs aren’t friends with krill

They are scared of them

[desert sun]

^^

when a crab is caught in a krills light, it hides itself in its shell

[winter girder]

Maybe theres a still light left in crabs.. 🤣😅

[vale axle]

And that’s why they want a little snack from sky children

Consume more light

[primal vault]

What’s Aviary

[spring blaze]

pretty much an old homespace back in old beta

it was between prairie and isle, so it was prairie’s social hub

[still heath]

Is this normal to find a dead player? I did try to revive by hooting, does not work, abovr upper sunny forest area near the gate

[wind bone]

They’re not dead that’s just an unlit player vibing

[jade flume]

^

[sly kestrel]

Thinkin bout life

[ember zodiac]

Wanna see something guys?

[sly kestrel]

no

[ember zodiac]

Something related to Megabird

[acoustic inlet]

I have a little theory about one of the elements of the Eden storm. When the eye of eden collapsed, there was a great earthquake that explains why the temples on the eden's mountain are all tilted and also explains the ruins across all the realms ... like the broken bridge at the forest... the broken temple at wasteland, etc...

[inland narwhal]

Did someone said mega bird?

[ember zodiac]

Me

Wait..

[rain olive]

Where is that

[ember zodiac]

I think its edited

Nice one

[inland narwhal]

Yeah. A little photoshopped it all took

[rain olive]

But is it a in game screenshot

[ember zodiac]

From prairie?

And credits?

[inland narwhal]

The megabird in credit scene and from forest underground cavern and forest starting gate.

After social space

@ember zodiac thank you 😊

@ember zodiac i put together few pics and named them like Star Wars theme. Wanna see?

😂

[ember zodiac]

@ember zodiac i put together few pics and named them like Star Wars theme. Wanna see?
@inland narwhal sure🤩

[sly kestrel]

Not specifically in the timeline

But when I saw that screenshot my immediate reaction was

[desert sun]

or well canon**

[sly kestrel]

Ima pull an ash and say

WAFO

[desert sun]

brb looking up the meaning of that

ima pull an ash and say

steeples fingers

[sly kestrel]

Oh wafo means wait and find out

🧇

[desert sun]

taking into account the names of the other files... could this mean that the child of light that we hug post eden is actually the king?

and considering that we "merge" with it, does that mean we are part of the king?

[ember zodiac]

Maybe

[desert sun]

it would explain the concept art depicting the king

[ember zodiac]

The child at the end maybe the King

Whom we hug

Let me see

[sly kestrel]

I see u have looked at the files

But

DID U JUS LOOK AT IT OR DID U CLICK IT

[desert sun]

^

[ember zodiac]

Hmm

[inland narwhal]

Could this be king? As it has crown.

[sly kestrel]

Not rlly, it’s more of a symbol and I’ve seen that symbol everywhere

[ember zodiac]

The Child of Light is the King

He must be

The file that I have shown is an audio file

I listened to it

[sly kestrel]

Reika once mentioned a child of light, an entity that we apparently have a relationship with
And ever since I heard that I haven’t rlly looked into the king theory anymore

[ember zodiac]

And then I listened to the sound when hugging the child of light at the end

They are exactly the same

[desert sun]

king theory is back babey

[ember zodiac]

[sly kestrel]

[desert sun]

this does open up a bunch of other questions though

[inland narwhal]

I can’t find it

Where is it 🥺🥺🥺

[sly kestrel]

How bout......we show it to a devy and see what they say

[ember zodiac]

Where is it 🥺🥺🥺
@inland narwhal Magic

[inland narwhal]

Which pin?

[ember zodiac]

So our mission in Eden is to free the King after all

Maybe the winged lights are the imprints of the King

[desert sun]

i do want to see what the devs say... honestly file exploring is usually a key part in theorycrafting and its strange how we only just did it

[sly kestrel]

We can’t confirm anything yet

For now....jus a theory

[ember zodiac]

Yea

You can pin my screenshots if you want

[inland narwhal]

Doesn’t make sense

Imma go one by one

@ember zodiac ??

[sly kestrel]

I feel like I should ping hage real quick

[ember zodiac]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/716749549552795658

From here @inland narwhal