ok but some people take thoughts a bit to far lol
#lore-discussion-spoilers
modest sequoia
Once we started getting stuff like the class concepts, I think the Sky Historians gave up 
elder iron
mhm
modest sequoia
I mean, once we started getting stuff like that from designers
Tomcepts nearly killed Nagati
modest sequoia
The kind, foolish, people who tasked themselves with trying to document lore
They never stood a chance 
elder iron
just thought about something ........ there are different types of spirits. the ones where you follow their memory path, ones where you carry a light (maybe them) on their memory path, and ones that you collect in multiple places. could this mean a different level they are on? or is it just random game mechanic? i guess game mechanic is correct term????
modest sequoia
The answer is always... yes 
elder iron
oh
well
actually
the scared stance is not a carry spirit
well
idk what else to call it
it’s a stance that makes you look scared
not that
are you talking about the spirit with the black cape????
modest sequoia
There used to be far more carry spirits. And they usually had more to do with Sky society. There were also collect quests that had to do more with the nature side of Sky
modest sequoia
I think all the carry quests now are Seasonal spirits 
elder iron
mhm
nova tiger
elder iron
yeah we know
modest sequoia
This too
elder iron
i mentioned some where up there 👆 about the different types i recognized
modest sequoia
More, collecting flowers
elder iron
nope
just the spirit with its memories in lots of different areas that were near those type of flowers
oh speaking of seasons..... was there any lore about season of gratitude? if so what was it?
bold gull
there are twi carry spirits
one is a seasonal
i think the others a glitch from before
or a bunch are seasonal
ines in daylight prairie
elder iron
no
not that
grandma was from season of belonging
which was the 3rd season
i’m talking about first season
terse kelp
Which spirit has the pants from belonging
terse kelp
Mk thx
elder iron
np
terse kelp
Yes!!!
modest sequoia
No boats
terse kelp
Same*^
elder iron
yeah i can’t really think of any lore about that season.... i guess it was just a season without lore??? lol but i’m sure there’s a little lore there somewhere
terse kelp
Yea
bold gull
i really wish the blue shirt comes back
sly kestrel
The kind, foolish, people who tasked themselves with trying to document lore
@modest sequoia ....what are u talking about?
bold gull
its the only real style change to the boring dress
modest sequoia
The people in the pins
elder iron
i want to know gratitude lore
modest sequoia
bold gull
@modest sequoia ....what are u talking about?
@sly kestrel i think the pinned non canon lore document
sly kestrel
Ohhh butter’s doc? Yea he gave up long ago
modest sequoia
Brave, foolish souls...
sly kestrel
Nah the rideable boats were removed longgg long ago
elder iron
oh idk @hushed steeple but i heard in forest there used to be a boat you can ride
used to be
sly kestrel
There was one for praire, and isle
I think there was more but I forgot
All that was removed a long time ago tho
sly kestrel
Not much besides travelers
When they were making the gratitude season, they werent rlly thinking lore, they were thinking more cosmetics
elder iron
yeah that’s what i thought
bold gull
does the link work
elder iron
i think so
well lightseekers was second season.... and gratitude didn’t really have any lore so yeah it is first season to have seasonal lore
modest sequoia
I'll change my previous statement,
Start up a new doc, I'm sure Nagati or Mirian will add it to the pins when they're awake
Because Alex will not
sly kestrel
Yea start a new one if u wanna write it down
Cuz the stuff I said in the old doc, I didn’t much agree with
They were my old ideas
I have new revised ideas
bold gull
i put edits shoul be made in a different color or highlighted so you know whats new
sly kestrel
Don’t jus write down every theory u see
modest sequoia
Or else
sly kestrel
Write the ones with proof and evidence ya kno
Supported theories
modest sequoia
You will be recieving the hitting
bold gull
oh lol i shouldnt have made it open then
sly kestrel
Well jus make sure they put it and put at least SOME evidence and reasoning in it
Or else the document will be 1000000 pages long
bold gull
kk ill make a new one and make edits via comments and only put ones supported with evidence
modest sequoia
Reasoning?! Evidence?! What thread you talking about
sly kestrel
And if anyone DARES to write down my diamond theory
Ping or message me right away
modest sequoia
This is the 3AM frantically typing with bloodshot eyes thread!
sly kestrel
And if someone DARESSS to say the word “diamond press” spam my message box
elder iron
what is your diamond theory???????
bold gull
should i add anyone else to be able to make edits so when i sleep theyre awake
a different time zone
sly kestrel
I’m way too lazy but can someone do me a BIGG huge favor and delete everything I said in that document
sly kestrel
nope it’s non relevant
bold gull
should i make a note that previous lore might have been disproved
no one can edit only comment
i add comments that confide to the rules
to the doc
sly kestrel
I’ll write down what I what on there and I’ll kindly ask to edit anyone’s message if they are talking about my theories.
oh
Wait how tho....my friend butter made that doc
sly kestrel
Yea..
bold gull
ok i wont add anything until i get permission
when is butter in
on
or should i dm
lol watch this doc be lost in the feed
elder iron
and i think lightseekers does relate to enchantment. because light seekers were searching for a light for some reason but they saw different lights (the elements ig you would call them) they wanted more info about the lights they found and their powers... took to vault people because they have knowledge....and blah blah blah i won’t say the whole story again. btw sorry i’m super super suuuupeerrrr behind in the conversation
sly kestrel
Idk man, but his ping is @Butte r
vale ridge
????!!!
bold gull
hey i was wondering if could copy your doc and curate comments to make edits
i would credit you at the beggining
for making the whole document
@vale ridge ^
i already copied but ill delete if youd like
vale ridge
It’s fine if you make a copy :)
But what exactly are you gonna be doing with the copy?
bold gull
ill add comments people make on theories
and when im active here ill try and add theories with evidence (as much as you can really have lol)
if no one comments ill probably not do it tough so it might not happen
i was also hoping someone whos time is opposite mine could help cus ill be asleep when theyre awak
vale ridge
I’ve changed it now so that people could comment 
bold gull
oh lol
vale ridge
Because it’s so hard to do it on my own
bold gull
ya
vague plover
Ooo what's goin on? :o
bold gull
ok so use the original one isntead of the copy?
vale ridge
Yes pls :3
vale ridge
Okiii :3
bold gull
like this comment if youd like rock bois to be a community known name for crabs lol
vale ridge
hAHAH
I do wait until several people coin the term so :/
But so far 🤷♂️
Let’s wait for more votes
celest spoke
Hey, I noticed that some of the pointy spire things on the front of Forest temple are actually blue glowy diamonds, elongated in a similar way to the huge red Eden crnterpiece
elder iron
i do not think they are power diamonds @celest spoke but that’s just my opinion. i think it is just decoration for the temple. although i heard that this temple might be where the power diamonds are created (theory i think)
sly kestrel
That’s bc they were
Forest started the diamond production
And the temple isn’t a temple rlly, it’s an ancient factory
It was said that the “temples” are simply places of significant important to that specific elder
They didn’t live there, they didn’t worship there and basically, they aren’t even temples at all
celest spoke
Unlocked forest gates also light up with lots of lil blue diamonds at the lattice interstices
nimble blaze
Looks like those crystals are used for gathering lights, kinda like a solar panel or wind mills used to gather natural lights from birds and clouds
sly kestrel
It’s a power diamond, a certain type of it
Usually when large ones are used, there will be cracks on the sculpture
ember zodiac
Is it the reason the flying race area is more damaged than the other areas?
daring prawn
the races were left over from gratitude if i remember correctly no?
daring prawn
hmm. it’s been awhile sorry and thank
thorny bear
Wats a megabird?
sly kestrel
It’s an old concept of a high entity of light. The one who created all, the one who controls the cycle of life and the one who created the skykids. There were many concepts of the megabird so it’s a bit hard to explain but one thing I can tell u is that no one is for sure about it being in the current game or not
Yes there are theories but the megabird isn’t confirmed canon
chilly verge
Are we aloud to say beta related things here
undone steppe
No
chilly verge
Okie 👍
heady sequoia
Maybe eden was the first thingy but they ran out of resources when making isle of dawn and prarie OR eden was for the highest ranks and the ones behind it are for lower and isle be for slaves or i donno tell me what would live there
drowsy spoke
I think is,e and prairie be for pheasants
hollow gazelle
They didn’t live there, they didn’t worship there and basically, they aren’t even temples at all
@sly kestrel i thought the temples is where they warshiped them lmao-
also im reading lore with a danganronpa soundtrack so what i read will make it more interesting lmao
barren bloom
What do you think is this? Is this a shell/mold to cast the diamonds? Or perhaps to contain them?
A lot of them are found in the shipwreck
hollow gazelle
ikr at the side
maybe container i dunno
i mean it might be a container so they can transport it in the shipwreck
barren bloom
The way forest elder took our flame and put it in it's diamond shell suits the early concept art 😮
those from tom zhao's concept art
hollow gazelle
barren bloom
Maybe eden was the first thingy but they ran out of resources when making isle of dawn and prarie OR eden was for the highest ranks and the ones behind it are for lower and isle be for slaves or i donno tell me what would live there
@heady sequoia
The paintings in isle depicts how the people prayed and then stars (flame) fallen from the sky, the isle elder guide the people to bring back the flame to the sky through the temple
Look at the animation of 'waving' spirit, he waved to a sky ancestor carrying jars on a flying boat
And on the animation of 'laughing' spirit, they catch a floating light and put them in a jar. I guess this is before they keep the flame for themselves and seal it in the power diamond.
drowsy spoke
^^Like in all of those above
I feel like this is a big 'wow' for me because all this time I thought that the spirits and the elders are just like... good
Good for the sake of being good
And now we've got these theories that they might have destroyed the sky world, by accident or not and it's just like wow
heady sequoia
Either they painted it late or im wrong and that time spent typing was spent in vain
heady sequoia
Like waaaaaaaay after it happend
drowsy spoke
...wait what did you type
I'm sorry i was scrollng up like wait what are you talking about
heady sequoia
Thank god i dont have to spend time typing
Oh
I can just paste
Maybe eden was the first thingy but they ran out of resources when making isle of dawn and prarie OR eden was for the highest ranks and the ones behind it are for lower and isle be for slaves or i donno tell me what would live there
drowsy spoke
Ooh thanks
there are some theories that the worlds are different points in time
But I don't personally agree with that I think that isle and prairie and forest are just underdeveloped
Hm maybe eden if for kings
And nobles, which would explain why there used to be a 'prince' or 'king' there
heady sequoia
That would be understandable
drowsy spoke
Maybe during the war isle and prairie were sort of demolished?
Like if you see the pots in prairie it's like they were there for so long it's buried under
heady sequoia
Oooooo
barren bloom
Prairie and the forest is where they collect falling lights, but the forest is also the place where they made the diamonds
On the left is people collecting lights in the forest; and on the right, they give it to craftsmen (maybe a kind of forest elder, or vault wizard) who put it in a diamond, and made them colored lights that we're collecting in this season
lunar portal
drowsy spoke
barren bloom
Using the colored lights to rejuvenate the area maybe 🤔
drowsy spoke
Theories say they can control elements
And the elements take the shape of lights
Maybe if you take stuff away from the world it actually harms the world
Like the spirit that can control the water orb, maybe he used too much of that and contaminated the water around their living space
Is that why they died then?
Used too much of the elements and ran out of their food source?
barren bloom
Maybe the colored lights scattered when the ark fell, not with them anymore
drowsy spoke
yeah perhaps
i'm still with the theory that they used too much of their powers and messed up their living space tho
Because who says that they came from forgotten ark?
Maybe they came from wasteland or smthing and just crashed when the mountain krill attacked
deep voice everything changed when the mountain krill attacked
mellow sable
no, the spirits were on the ark
drowsy spoke
Yeah yeah, but who says they came from the forgotten ark island?
mellow sable
"a group of spirits was traveling towards prosperity"
drowsy spoke
Maybe the spirits came from wasteland and was traveling towards prosperity
mellow sable
yeah
drowsy spoke
They crashed on the forgotten ark island
mellow sable
actually
drowsy spoke
and died there
mellow sable
the ark is in concept art!
barren bloom
Ark painter spirit: "Yup, this is me, you're probably wondering why I'm ended up in this situation"
mellow sable
its an ark for royalty from guess where
drowsy spoke
@barren bloom Haha lo
mellow sable
wasteland
drowsy spoke
...wasteland?
😮 😮
😮
I'm tempted to spell out a word with shocked emojis but that would be a bit rude to the others so I'm not gonna 😦
Missed oppurtunity tho
mellow sable
anyways
drowsy spoke
ahem yes back to buisness
mellow sable
the layer capes are def nobility
mellow sable
boo seems to be an apprentice?
drowsy spoke
Very fancy with the turbans and weird hair tie thingies
mellow sable
crab was most likely the mechanic
drowsy spoke
crab was the vegetarian
mellow sable
i think play fight was second in command
barren bloom
What about quest giver
mellow sable
captain
barren bloom
The salute spirit in WL was looking at people leaving on boats
Are they going to the place where the ark is today? 🤔
mellow sable
probably not
barren bloom
That candle gives a lot of light sometimes
celest spoke
Working version of catapult bits near Ark elder
craggy nexus
...Do we know what the stick thing next to the catapult statue is?
barren bloom
Sword? 😳
craggy nexus
Possibly, but it's kinda small compared to the big spear things
unless it's more buried in the sand actually
jade river
I have just wondered, what is beyond this area of vault of knowledge?
I know that maybe there's nothing but i always wondered
humble barn
I think the eye is being covered by their own horns
ember zodiac
Do the krill come from under the water/ground?
And are they machines instead of living beings? I mean they sound like metal klanking and chains
When moving
But they have skeletons too🤖 🤖
sly kestrel
What do you think is this? Is this a shell/mold to cast the diamonds? Or perhaps to contain them?
@barren bloom It’s what I call a golden carrier. If u look at the diamond factories u can see that they use these carriers on the top of the machine and on the sides, they are seen carrying the diamonds. And this may be common knowledge already but if u look at the first krill area, u can see that the whole thing is one big diamond factory that’s broken down. That’s why there was a cargo ship with golden carriers nearby, it was delivering them to the factory. Or maybe some other factories, I found 3 different machines in wasteland, could’ve been for any of them
ember zodiac
there's no confirmed krill bones
@humble barn wasn't the bones in the graveyard of a mega krill or something... As written in the pins
humble barn
I believe it's just a theory?
sly kestrel
uh no
Those are bones based on whales and sea turtles
Also krills aren’t that large
And
Krill dont even have bones
sly kestrel
It’s not canon
Hage had a theory which is believable but it’s not canon
The graveyard bones are not krills and it’s pretty obvious they aren’t
Krills don’t have ribs
Or skulls
shrewd escarp
I'm imagining they only have exoskeletons
bold gull
im tring so hard to make my suggestion on the doc dark green but my computers dead lol
ember zodiac
Hmm.. I have tried to come up with something...
So, I think the elders aren't dead just powerless and so unable to join the light, though spirits are dead people.
We give light to elders to make them powerful enough to join the light again. And that's why we see them in orbit. We bring them home (the lost stars).
And many others came and failed before us (the frozen kids). We free them and die ourselves. 
bold gull
I was thinking that the butterflies were just a mode of energy for the elders and now the sky kids
sly kestrel
The eden kids were a different race of skykids I believe, and theoretically they would’ve had a different mission than us. They appear bigger and ascend as stars
ember zodiac
But.... The stars that fall from the sky are actually elders?
sly kestrel
Ye
A “star” refers to a lot of things in sky
Kinda confusing but the stars referred to in the intro were the elders
ember zodiac
Yes
sly kestrel
But they are different “stars” from the ones we collect
sly kestrel
The eden elder isn’t proven to even exist in the current game
It’s jus an old concept
ember zodiac
Hmm
Is it possible that the Eden elder is also the king?
It’s jus an old concept
@sly kestrel But we see 7 elders in the intro
sly kestrel
What makes u think the 7th is an elder and not the child of light
ember zodiac
Hmm.. good question..
young stump
Since almost everything in the game Refers to ocean life, and since krill attack us, then we must be a form of zooplankton, probably sea butterflies
sly kestrel
And yes, in the old concepts
The king seemed to be the eden elder
And they used sea creatures cuz it was easier to animate and they liked the flow of how they move
ember zodiac
It is said he didn't fall but emerged from the clouds... I don't understand what it means
In the canon sky lore in the pins
sly kestrel
At the end u can see it says “environmental observations” or something like that
This is what hage sees and his view but no one confirmed his views to be canon yet
So that last paragraph isn’t confirmed canon
ember zodiac
Ohh
sly kestrel
And I got a tiny hint from reika I think about the child of light
A person we apparently have a relationship with, and it jus so happens to be that we look exactly like the child of light
I’m still making my doc about this
But I can almost confirm to you that the glowy kid in the center of the intro is not the king
ember zodiac
I think our mission is to free the elders from the clouds and help them merge with the light again...
ember zodiac
Then it becomes infinite again
sly kestrel
To the light, we reconnected them with the light using our flame and they became full of life again
When we first approached them they were dark and empty
ember zodiac
But I don't understand about Eden.. We kinda fulfill our mission in GW.
sly kestrel
Not dead, jus.......very little light and life
ember zodiac
Not dead, jus.......very little light and life
@sly kestrel Yep
This feels like something taken from Hinduism too..
Like they were cursed to not be able to be free until they were freed by the chosen child.
Kinda like the mythological tales
sly kestrel
All krills blink
After they hit someone, they’re blind for a few seconds, then their light starts flicking and gets activated again
Actually....it’s not much blinking, it’s more of a transition to going blind from being able to see again
vale ridge
what if they blink because they hit their eye too hard when they hit us
sly kestrel
blinking in general is for the purpose of moisturizing ur eyes, I don’t think kills need that, it’s more of a flashlight turning on
ember zodiac
Yes. They also blink as they rise. Kinda like how some flashlight flickers for a few seconds
@hushed steeple maybe they are machines after all
Electricity fluctuations
sly kestrel
Artificial? Maybe
But electricity....that’s a bit of a stretch
ember zodiac
Maybe they were created using darkstones to guard the kingdom... But they got corrupted by darkness
Artificial? Maybe
But electricity....that’s a bit of a stretch
@sly kestrel Whatever the energy source
Yeah.. Light is an electromagnetic wave tho🤣
winter girder
Light are also a photon that the electrons released out from the atoms becouse of the huge amount of energy that needed to be released
Its science time🤣🤣
sly kestrel
😕
vale ridge
Sad face? wats wrong
uncut bone
Krill remind me of flying grievers but worse
hushed steeple
Krill remind me of flying centipedes
hushed steeple
Shrimp : dark edition
vale ridge
Krill remind me of actual krill
Oh wait
vast perch
hushed steeple
Plot twist : Krill are krill
sly kestrel
I think I lost 3 different brain cells reading this
hollow spruce
do yall have any theories on forgotten ark?
barren bloom
Look at the paintings on the ark
hollow spruce
tyty
barren bloom
On the left is people collecting lights in the forest; and on the right, they give it to craftsmen (maybe a kind of forest elder, or vault wizard) who put it in a diamond, and made them colored lights that we're collecting in this season
@barren bloom
I didn't took picture of tha paintings next to it 🤔 but I'm sure it depicts sky people using spells: fireworks, campfire, resize potion
sly kestrel
I have one but I think I send it too much
barren bloom
the ark is in concept art!
@mellow sable
mellow sable
hm?
barren bloom
What the concept art said about it?
mellow sable
it's an ark in wasteland for royalty
barren bloom
😮
bold gull
We need krill to be an official term now krill:krill
barren bloom
mellow sable
yeeee
barren bloom
Why were the creature attacking us? 🤔
Bcs we keep flame in power diamond/dark stone instead of returning it to the temple?
mellow sable
probably
sly kestrel
That’s a different ark
Wayyyy way different
That was a HUGE invention made out of darkstone that eventually led to the final downfall of the ppl, it also caused the storm
The enchantment ark is something the scholars used to go forward prosperity using the elemental lights
Even if the darkstone ark did exist, it doesn’t make sense bc the storm is still at eden and the ark is at wasteland so there’s no way they are the same thing
And the timeline is an incredibly old concept art and almost all of it is irrelevant to the current story
But in that old story, the ppl used a forbidden power called darkstone and the natural creatures were against this
This is why the creatures attacked and hated them
sly kestrel
Idk, ask Tom Zhao
ember zodiac
🤖 🤖
full owl
I found this interesting thing, scrapped concept?
spring blaze
probably
muted rose
Anyone ever wonder why the stars (wing light) are kind of just standing there, gazing up at the sky? Also why are they where they are? It kind of reminds me of like a last moment...
zinc vale
I wonder if they're looking at eden from faraway
The stars in eden's hall are sitting down
pearl void
I found this interesting thing, scrapped concept?
@full owl maybe some of Reika mix and match for 50 new creatures that didn't get selected into the game
Anyone ever wonder why the stars (wing light) are kind of just standing there, gazing up at the sky? Also why are they where they are? It kind of reminds me of like a last moment...
@muted rose fun fact all of them are looking at the sky except for eden stars, they are sitting in various style
muted rose
Ikr!
sly kestrel
I remember when reika tried making an eel
And then when she was tryna make it into a constellation
It was jus a line !!
That’s all I remember from her honestly 😂😂...😔
karmic ledge
There was an eel and some other creatures at one point in beta, though they got narrowed down into the current creatures we have today
That big guy up there is a old scrapped concept. Theres a concept of a similar creature also in Shira's beta album on vault!
And at least 1 remnant of the other creature concept that actually still exists in the game today
spring blaze
yall do know reika and ash aint the only artist in the company right lol
karmic ledge
If anyone hasnt seen the gnomon talk, Yui, Aaron, Cecil and Trev give a really great look into the development!
craggy nexus
I'm guessing this is what was meant by the creature in the vault album? (Screenshotted from the album [https://imgur.com/a/McjDeo4] to include the text)
I'm guessing this is what was meant by the creature in the vault album? (Screenshotted from the album [https://imgur.com/a/McjDeo4] to include the text)
Yikes, discord is freaking out... did that send at all?
vale axle
yep, twice
craggy nexus
Oops, sorry about that! D:
vale axle
nah, it's fine
humble barn
The old scrapped tomcept animal is captioned Daleth so I think he's one of elders
but then why he stood where Rainy Aunt should have
karmic ledge
Who says thats the same creature
humble barn
ooooo
karmic ledge
Also general disclaimer: they are old concepts!
craggy nexus
ohh... emphasis on similar
humble barn
my bad 😂
craggy nexus
maybe some sort of guardian / companion to elders then? they look very regal
humble barn
At some point (in development) all the elders were designed based on animals.
that's what we know and lemme find the concept arts of the animal version of Rainy Aunt aka the forest elder
^
and this is a doc about the devs livestream where we got those pics and information from
full owl
Oh, so which would the “Daleth” creature have been?
humble barn
not identified
full owl
Oof
humble barn
the names and animal elders were scrapped ideas so we only have limited resources available
full owl
That sucks :< pretty intriguing though
craggy nexus
Woah nice!! It's odd that Daleth is different from Teth, yet Teth was the name of the forest elder and Daleth takes the place of the forest elder's statue.
Perhaps they just changed their minds on names a few times before scrapping them altogether though
oH similar creature again... that's probably a different elder
craggy nexus
Oh yeah, the sketch with the circles radiating from it at top center looks especially close to the statue!
rancid abyss
Oh, so which would the “Daleth” creature have been?
@full owl idk if this is confirm information or not, but us Vietnamese usually call one of the Valley Elder as Daleth
lilac stone
What is this island?
humble barn
vault vault is Lamedoops valley, valley twin are Samekh
lilac stone
Tbh it looks like light awaits island
sick path
What is this island?
@lilac stone it’s where the first cutscene happens the very first time you play Sky as a moth so I have heard and seen
humble barn
the intro cutscene takes place in the island but we don't know we should take it in consideration when discussing about the lore
short summit
Is there any references to the prince AT ALL in game?
lilac stone
Some of the ship's bows in ark look like people to me
humble barn
Is there any references to the prince AT ALL in game?
@short summit not really but if we go with the concept of prince IS the king then there are some references of him
lilac stone
?
humble barn
yeah that cutscene
humble barn
the text is the old one the current one is pinned in this channel
It was changed to "But darkness came, and the stars fell..."
humble barn
"But darkness came, and the stars fell..." is right
and any interpretation can be wrong
hexed nimbus
Something keep sparkling over there (white dot) who know?
hexed nimbus
Golden wasteland
lilac stone
Yes but in which place
humble barn
I think ive heard it's an old meditation spot or something
lilac stone
It could also be a light source
What were the elder and his army fighting in the battlefield?
Another sky kingdom?
humble barn
we don't know
sly kestrel
If u use the warp glitch, u can actually see where that island is and the meditation spot next to it
It’s almost impossible meditate there tho, it’s oob and it’s enormous wind wall will push you back 10000 mph
spring blaze
yeah ik lol i was talking to them
low seal
yall we been focusing on the wrong aspects of lore
why do skykids have mitten hands but the elders have fingers
sly kestrel
Technical restraint maybe?
spring blaze
because we’re baby
heady sinew
Too many 3D polygons to work with
We can pretend they're kitty paws 
Y'know how some ghosts exist because they have unfinished business on earth?
What if seasonal spirits are like that, lore wise. And that's why they come back as traveling spirits, since they still feel they have something to do?
winter girder
Sell cosmetics
jade flume
I like to think that travelling spirits simply got yeeted back down to the clouds by the darkness
heady sinew
"not yet, the kids still want your stuff" — XoXo Megabird <3
jade flume
Get back down there
Travelling spirit be like, "Oh boy here we go again, time to get tabled into space"
silent hill
Hey have you guys ever wondered
Who made those metal pipes in Wa$teland?
Doesn’t seem ancient engineering at all.
What if sky is just a futuristic apocalypse?
Where kid kids got mutated to absorb power from electromagnetic radiation and mantas were brought on ground , the krills are crazy genetic experiments gone wrong?
Those doors have heat sensors that open at exposure to light,
Two player door requires more conversion and one player doors
When they said "Darkness came and stars fell from the sky " means
our sun lost its energy and sky kids are basically trying to restore the sun's capacity?
Think about it folks,Those pipes are planned and for how long have we got urban planning.with running water?
silent hill
Sky doesn’t answer a lot of questions, it just gave a goal and keeps us busy on quests, rarely giving hints on how all the elders got lost and there are no adults,AT ALL ALIVE
Reminds me of Maze Runner all over again,
You just have kids doing things in an enclosed realm, not knowing what's outside those portal
Those krills are like the spiders In Maze Runner
Guess what both of them look "robotic"
Krills LITERALLY scan the sky kids just like those spiders
And sometimes we end up in oobs
Places the devs don’t want us to go
Like in Maze Runner
Where you see chinks out to the outside
That takes Thomas and company to actual world
And just Thomas, I'm new here, a moth
And I'm questioning these uncomfortable questions
In the Maze Runner
Runner are the ones who go out where the spiders patrolled
In Sky we have ubers
Flying incessantly especially in GW and Eden, experts to deal with hostile robotic creatures
No Old people here, nor in Maze Runners Mazes think about it folks
wide root
Why there’s nothing when we get out of the maps?
silent hill
Exactly why?
kind bobcat
But in the office we can see the sun.
spring blaze
.. because you’re out of the maps
you’re out of bounds. you’re not supposed to be there
wide root
Ik
silent hill
Office is Simulatio. Of where the company works
kind bobcat
And the spiders are called Grievers
silent hill
you’re out of bounds. you’re not supposed to be there
@spring blaze
Exactly DEVS DONT WANT US GOING THERE
And the spiders are called Grievers
@kind bobcat
Yep robotic like krills
Scanning ppl
kind bobcat
Sky could be the imagination of a lost child, finding it's way home.
spring blaze
there isnt really much out of bounds either
silent hill
It’s just so many similarities with Maze Runner
It’s hard to ignore
No boomers in the entire realm
wide root
No boomers in the entire realm
@silent hill what’s that supposed to mean?
silent hill
there isnt really much out of bounds either
@spring blaze
Well "they Won't " want us to find oobs ryt
@silent hill what’s that supposed to mean?
@wide root
Only young ppl
dark flame
what about the currency system
spring blaze
the devs are aware of the oob community, heck they even allowed access to 2 of the most popular oobs
its just oobs really are just that. out of bounds haha
silent hill
Well we are not supposed to know that cz that's inside knowledge
Form moths not connected to discord
This game has striking similarities to that movie
And about the currency
dark flame
there are similarities but also differences
silent hill
I'll find a theory
Ofc
It’s not an adaptation form the movie
But look at krills, they are called dark dragons in the game
But they scan sky kids
Like Grievers
wide root
Does a krill pursue immediately players like a griever does?
silent hill
Don't they?
spring blaze
they pause and give us time to hude
hollow stream
Don’t krill pursue any light?
spring blaze
hide*
wide root
Don’t krill pursue any light?
@hollow stream true they do
spring blaze
they krill the manta in the one krill rolm
hollow stream
Like the manta
silent hill
That manta your talking about?
Yeah only in one place
What about graveyear
Battlefield
Shipewreck
dark flame
i feel like that was just an example though, to show players who’ve never seen krill for the first time what the krill does
spring blaze
a warning 
dark flame
yeah
silent hill
The moment they find you thru scanning they come chasin
wide root
Not really
hollow stream
But if it’s not true then why include it
silent hill
i feel like that was just an example though, to show players who’ve never seen krill for the first time what the krill does
@dark flame point
But the Premier similarity is the look like symbiotic robots
Grievers and Krills
wide root
Aren’t grievers are made out of flesh with pieces of metals?
Where’s the metal on the krills?
silent hill
How do you know there isn’t?
silent hill
They knock stars off
wide root
How do you know there is @silent hill?
silent hill
Not squishy fluff
hollow stream
Gotta have that evidence ._ .
wide root
Maybe krills are just living invertebrates just like lobsters
silent hill
Well if you are gonna ignore the bigher fact the chase you, reside in forbidden places plus are robotic scanners
Krill natural?
spring blaze
i mean they most likely are invertebrates. krills irl dont have bones
silent hill
I've never seen an anthropod that humongous
wide root
Bioluminescence does exist
spring blaze
but an exoskeleton
wide root
I've never seen an anthropod that humongous
@silent hill this is a game
spring blaze
we’ve never seen a fish that big and flyig mantas but here we are
hollow stream
FanTasY
wide root
True
silent hill
@silent hill this is a game
@wide root
Yep,with eerie similarities with Maze
wide root
Bc it’s fantasy
hollow stream
Concept aRt + ideas
spring blaze
theyre big bc thats who they are
hollow stream
= not always real
wide root
Failed war beasts
hollow stream
@silent hill I get what you’re trying to say tho
silent hill
Yes remember
No adults or old people, zilch
sly kestrel
There are adults and old ppl in sky wdym?
spring blaze
wrong chat-
sly kestrel
ginsy that’s iRONIC
spring blaze
JSJDJSJJDS
sly kestrel
I read everything
wide root
If i remember the sequels of the maze, there is old peoples and adults
spring blaze
wide root
The sequels are part of its universe...
sly kestrel
I’m confused, are y’all talkin about the plot of a movie or the story of sky
hollow stream
Runner
wide root
Post apocalyptic with unothaurised access to the borders
spring blaze
everyones dead and we can go anywhere
sly kestrel
🤨
wide root
With mechanical weird things called grivers (compared with krills)
spring blaze
always thought krills were mechanical
wide root
They’re invertebrates!
sly kestrel
I think krills are natural creatures but the state they are in is most likely caused by something the spirits did
But then again, darkness was always a natural part of the world so idk
wide root
Or did thy darkness camed bc of humaity’s action on environment...
wide root
Shakespearan?
wide root
But why it’s darker where eden’s diamond is?
sly kestrel
It can spread by actions from the spirits
But they didn’t originate darkness
wide root
Why krills have those same dark fluffy dots on them also found in eden?
sly kestrel
Lots of darkness is held in eden, but that doesn’t mean darkness itself was originated there
It jus has a large amount of it
Bc....they both share darkness
wide root
But peoplez created them....
spring blaze
we dont know that
wide root
Failed war beasts?
spring blaze
the devs said all creatures in sky are naturally made
crabs also have those fluffy dark dots
sly kestrel
We don’t have anything confirmed on krills being man made for war so right now that’s jus a theory yet to be proven
wide root
I can prove it: they are invertebrates!
sly kestrel
Thas jus a theory tho
wide root
...
sly kestrel
BUT ur free to theorize so keep going
nimble blaze
Whats with the carving of 3 jars at the entrance of prairie? Game design?
wide root
But the invertebrates in thy game are both attacking peoples... but butterflies are invertebrates....
What jars?
nimble blaze
Prarie cave*
Theres carving of 3 jars at the entrace of prarie cave i've been seeing all the time
nimble blaze
Ohh yeah maybe it is lol
Anyone know if there are anymore carving or past caving from other seasons just like in the forbidden ark boat
broken basin
Its all written here
Dawn(birth)
Day(childhood)
Rain(teenage)
Sunset(adulthood)
Dusk(meditate🤔🤔)
Storm(ageing, death)
Orbit(rebirth)
We were right!!
broken basin
Yah
spring blaze
between adulthood and senior
broken basin
We were discussing this theory a week ago
And i noticed this today
Our theory was exactly the same
spring blaze
then its probably not a theory anymore if its confirmed haha
spring blaze
L have u checked the concept arts pinned here? :0
wind bone
That’s not a turret that’s a king statue
sly kestrel
Ye but there were turrets that were in the form of king statues in the old concepts
That one isn’t one of them tho
wind bone
This is the full image
spring blaze
from what ive seen the turret heads are different from the king statues
rhats what we have ingame
hollow pier
At the end u can see it says “environmental observations” or something like that
This is what hage sees and his view but no one confirmed his views to be canon yet
@sly kestrel what phrasing should I use to make it unbiased?
How should I phrase this better
“In the intro the stars surround an individual who doesn’t fall, there’s also the Eden elder who doesn’t fall from the constellation with the rest of the Elders but emerges from the clouds”
winter girder
I saw that symbol in GW: battlefield
brittle gust
I wonder what did the elders do that made the king mad or something?
sturdy gate
I think he wants all the power?
wicked dragon
Idk if this comes out good but For some reason I think Dark Dragons (it Krills) are all you’re anxiety and depression that your trying to escape, I don’t really know if it’s true but it’s what I usually think and if the Dark Dragon spot you they make you loose your light an example when Anxiety kicks in and you started panicking and it’s making you more afraid.
brittle gust
In my theory is that elders like to experiments that lead to corruption on eden which is the bridge between land and orbit, I think Golden Wasteland is supposedly Golden Land cause it is where the king stays, it is the land that got severely corrupted cause it is near to eden, ths elders are fallen stars because of what they did and the king tried everything that he can but got corrupted too.
uncut bone
@barren bloom Were you just there a couple minutes ago?
With a stranger behind it?
Because I remember going in there a few minutes ago with two strangers
barren bloom
Nope, it was hours ago when the daily task restart
They must be looking for the travelling spirits as well 😂
sinful stratus
@hollow pier who's the Eden elder?
hollow pier
ember zodiac
King eating the apple
silent hill
Adam falling from grace
cold steppe
maybe orbs of light
ember zodiac
Dark light
fading bear
Dark light??
mellow sable
I just realized why enchantment is the spring season
you take a dead and desolate place
and revive it
jade flume
Forgotten't ark
So wait, is GW supposed to be an experimental area according to some theories? I was gonna ask if it was a commercial area with all the diamond factories,pipes and the merchants(on ark)
ember zodiac
Dark light??
@fading bear Not light light🤣
So wait, is GW supposed to be an experimental area according to some theories? I was gonna ask if it was a commercial area with all the diamond factories,pipes and the merchants(on ark)
@jade flume It is supposed to be an industrial port city I think.
jade flume
That makes more sense
fading bear
Hehe
fringe anvil
So this is very off topic from what is being discussed right now but... I've been thinking and would like to hear other people's thoughts.
Throughout the game our characters die and are reborn constantly. Each rebirth is aiming to make the next life stronger and more capable of returning the stars back to the sky.
What if all of the children of light we collect throught the game are a faint 'memory' from our past lives? With each little piece of memory we collect, the stronger we get and the more ability we have. This would be similar to how collecting spirit memories make us stronger and give us more abilities (wing buffs, spells, emotes, etc).
Along with this, could it be possible that the child statues at the end of eden are the remnants of our past attempts to complete our mission? That hopefully one of our lives would be able to complete what we can't/couldn't before? And if that's possible couldnt it then be possible that all of the characters in the game are different reincarnations and different versions of the original child?
ember zodiac
Is the old Eden.. The names of your friends were written above the Sky kids statues.. Meaning that they all failed and you have to save them.. But sometimes it happened that if a friends was flying with you, his name too happened to appear over the frozen statue.. It kinda created confusion that how can your friend be both with you and frozen.. So, they decided to remove the names
So this is very off topic from what is being discussed right now but... I've been thinking and would like to hear other people's thoughts.
Throughout the game our characters die and are reborn constantly. Each rebirth is aiming to make the next life stronger and more capable of returning the stars back to the sky.
What if all of the children of light we collect throught the game are a faint 'memory' from our past lives? With each little piece of memory we collect, the stronger we get and the more ability we have. This would be similar to how collecting spirit memories make us stronger and give us more abilities (wing buffs, spells, emotes, etc).
Along with this, could it be possible that the child statues at the end of eden are the remnants of our past attempts to complete our mission? That hopefully one of our lives would be able to complete what we can't/couldn't before? And if that's possible couldnt it then be possible that all of the characters in the game are different reincarnations and different versions of the original child?
@fringe anvil I wish they added some different cutscene when you finish all your constellations, get 10 wings and unlock all your buffs to mark the end of the story
fickle glen
I wanna skip the cutscene...
fringe anvil
I have a few other thoughts that aren't fully fletcher out yet too...
-Is the child you hug after eden the spirit of the orginal child? If so are we a body carrying part of their soul?
- Does our purpose are something more to do with massive power crystal at the end of eden than we realize? All of the kids are walking towards it.
-what is the journey after we ascend into orbit? Where are we physically? Is it back at our origin?
@fringe anvil I wish they added some different cutscene when you finish all your constellations, get 10 wings and unlock all your buffs to mark the end of the story
@ember zodiac I haven't finished the game yet to know what that cutscene is 😅
ember zodiac
Hmm.. Orbit is the finish Reia lol
fringe anvil
Oh I thought you meant there was a new cutscene after you completely finish the game 😅
I misread what you said!
@ember zodiac I would have thought there was one last cutscene when everything is completed to signify the end of the main journey.
ember zodiac
Oh I thought you meant there was a new cutscene after you completely finish the game 😅
@fringe anvil yeaa
ember zodiac
Oh I thought you meant there was a new cutscene after you completely finish the game 😅
@fringe anvil Like.. child of light, you have fulfilled your quest to unite the stars. Now, you are a guide to all the spirits who lost their way to the light (reference to travelling spirits)..
To keep completing seasons and TS
fringe anvil
@fringe anvil Like.. child of light, you have fulfilled your quest to unite the stars. Now, you are a guide to all the spirits who lost their way to the light (reference to travelling spirits)..
To keep completing seasons and TS
@ember zodiac that would be a great idea! Give a really good cutscene to create some finality to that chapter of our journey and create a new opening for the new journey
desert junco
I know sky kids are called sky kids but is there a more offical name for the sky children kind?
since they collect starts and when you friend other players they're shown as stars at home
kinda make me think they're more of star children rather than sky kids
desert junco
ye true
ruby acorn
In the old concepts we were called descendants if I remembered correctly.....
night sleet
Yeah
desert junco
Oh
spark timber
Is there lore for why the hec the grilled crabs are giant
Are they ancestor crabs
Are they gmo crabs
novel cosmos
Are there areas in Golden Wasteland with symbols or hieroglyphs?
desert sun
Are there areas in Golden Wasteland with symbols or hieroglyphs?
@novel cosmos no, besides ark there are none
novel cosmos
no, besides ark there are none
@desert sun
Thank you
desert sun
noble sandal
does anyone have any theories on what the golden wasteland used to look like? just curious
i like to believe it was one of the most beautiful places in the sky kingdom until it was ruined
sly kestrel
Theres actually no concept available for the wasteland before it was....a wasteland
They always planned to make it like a ruin or place of decay, I haven’t seen anything resembling what it used to look like
Although I doubt it was once “beautiful”, it’s under a mountain and it’s heavy in factories and industry, in my opinion it was corrupted from the moment it was built. One ugly sin, even when it thrived, factories with tar and military isn’t nice to look at
noble sandal
dang
i was hoping there was concept art of it before
good to know it was always ugly
sly kestrel
It’s jus my opinion tho
I’m assuming things based on what I’ve seen
desert sun
people theorize it used to be s forest, and some also say it used to be part of hidden forest
because of the trees
noble sandal
it looked like it was near the ocean or sea or something
since there's a tiny dock
or maybe it's a huge lake
who knows
celest spoke
Well shipwreck yanno
Though I keep wondering why are there soldier statues in front of the first factory entrance
celest spoke
Oh and iirc yesterday? someone was asking about “tall stick” next to catapult and someone else said sword— matched pair on display in Eden near first star
Either that or valley twins have deadly lacrosse sticks
heady sinew
Valley Lacrosse sticks but they're not family friendly
I imagine the golden wasteland (before it became a wasteland) like a grassland-mountain mix thingy. Kind of like Prairie + Valley, imagine where some mountain goats live, just like that. With some dried grass that looks golden and rich in minerals and stuff
And some lakes that branch off into the ocean too
worthy mist
So...krills are remnant automaton weapons left over from the war that destoryed the spirits' civilization?
sly kestrel
Oh and iirc yesterday? someone was asking about “tall stick” next to catapult and someone else said sword— matched pair on display in Eden near first star
@celest spoke those weapons are also found on the battlefield at wasteland as well
spring blaze
i also imagined wasteland before its fallen into ruins as a factory hub. from the distance we see more buildings with pipes. but its also a desert with mountains and stuff
probably before it was polluted it was “golden;” sun shining down and the air wasnt green
noble sandal
oo nice imagery
now i'm getting sahara vibes in the forgotten ark
also what's up with magic in the world of sky?
it looks like magic was most present in the vault but it wasn't um
taught?
to the other kingdoms yet
?
spark timber
Arent those manta bones in graveyard though? So there should have been mantas in that area?
sturdy gate
It looks like ark got a bit of that magic too
spark timber
No
sturdy gate
Well in the concept art it literally says “?” about the manta material/bones (I don’t remember)
noble sandal
it's not confirmed to be anything yet
mantas seems like they're partially made of light
sturdy gate
Yes
sturdy gate
And the ones in vault are even weirder
noble sandal
^^^^that's another can of worms
spark timber
Theres also bones in vault, where you can get ghost manta call
spark timber
And the giant bones in the level above it where that giant manta is
noble sandal
i don't think those are manta bones purely bc the ribs of those bones are HUGE
and the ghost mantas are like
flat
sturdy gate
Look at the whale bones from forest and compare them to the other bones
noble sandal
i just want to see a living whale
sky is that too much to ask
for
HWERE
WHERE
sturdy gate
Or more
spark timber
Isnt that the green fish thing flying around
noble sandal
oh i thought that was a fish tho
sturdy gate
Yes
noble sandal
HTA"T SHTE WHAle
I THOUGHT IT WAS A FISHT HE ENTIRE TIME
this is what happens in quqrantine
spark timber
I thought so too but people call it whale
noble sandal
you lose your mind
sturdy gate
Well it’s also called a fish
noble sandal
whale fish
sturdy gate
Yes it’s a whale fish
noble sandal
hehe
okay wiat back to the magic thing
is it safe to assume the vault members were scholars of some kind
spark timber
Whales arent fish
noble sandal
it looks like they were in the process of discovering magic bc of the emotes?
but they haven't shared this knowledge w the rest of the kingdoms
bc i remember the vault being really tightly closed
lament barn
spark timber
Whales are mammals #canon lore
noble sandal
^^^^yes that is me
spring blaze
if you look at the murals in ark, the spirits carrying the magic light on the boat wears the fancy hat scholars wear in vault
noble sandal
also nice pfp (cough nekuzo)
lament barn
Aha thanks
sturdy gate
Sorry for interrupting hhh
Same symbol thing?
lament barn
oH
spark timber
if you look at the murals in ark, the spirits carrying the magic light on the boat wears the fancy hat scholars wear in vault
So season of enchantment is also about the spirits ||selling|| magic
lament barn
:0
noble sandal
more like them using magic?
lament barn
Y’all so smart
noble sandal
no my brain is legally square
lament barn
I-
noble sandal
:)
cuz the ark spirits are using magic to umm
purify?
the area around them
it kinda looks like it
lament barn
Yep
noble sandal
hacking
lament barn
You good-?
spark timber
Yes but the sky kids are bringing the lights from other realms to help purify
noble sandal
nah just choking
carry on
yeah @spark timber
there's like
200 theories on the ark
and i'm too lazy to read everything
@hushed steeple i think what the spirits are doing is trying to make the area livable
since they are stuck there
with a
big
scary
krill
like the farming and water purification
^^i think so too
any other theoriess
that yall wanna discuss
bc i'm in that 1 am mood rn
I"M ALL EARS
or eyes
noble sandal
welome backk
noble sandal
oo
lament barn
Woahh
noble sandal
wait i literally forgot what vault looks like
lament barn
What-
noble sandal
gimmie a sec for my brain to catch up
lament barn
Okie
noble sandal
alright SO
lament barn
one second later
lament barn
:3
noble sandal
i read the canon interview where one of the developers said
that vault was made to be almost dreamlike
something like that
lament barn
Ooo
lament barn
Yea?
noble sandal
oo okay
so it looks like that part and above was destroyed by the disaster in eden
but the lower floors were kept intact
noble sandal
since the vault seemed to be made with protection in mind
it was supposed to be kinda secretive
lament barn
:0
noble sandal
:3
lament barn
Nu
noble sandal
LMAO
lament barn
Okie
noble sandal
i was thinking that the vault was a place for scholars
and the various emotes that had magic involved were honestly
pretty weak ones
lament barn
oH
noble sandal
like the levitation and floating thing
it's obvious the ark has much more powerful magic
it looks like the vault space where we learn these magic emotes came before eden and ark was after eden
when they had already been more advanced with their magic
lament barn
Ooo
noble sandal
just a theory but