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My least fav part probably?
But since we got the Ark now.... What if the next seasons they put a new place in Valley? So many buildings and we can't access to them all
Tbh the Vault is probably the most advanced thing in the civilization though.
hey guys do you have any ideas on forgotten ark
I would love a valley expansion
@hushed steeple We had a massive Ark discussion yesterday.
Basically the synopsis.
Valley and the Vault are both kind of small and one way directed especially compared to the Forest
- How did the Ark crash there?
- What were the lights for.
Forest and Prairie are huge
Well the mural on the ark does show how it crashed tbf
@wind bone did you see my proposed mockup art of a flying colesseum?
I miss oob candles
Valley is my favorite place, it's so well done and energetic - I freaking adore it (plus the Twins best CG ahem)
Who's skeletons are in boneyard and are they same as the Caterpillar thing in forest underground and before wasteland and the ones we see after dying?
I think I did mael! I would love more things to do in valley
Valley is my favorite place, it's so well done and energetic - I freaking adore it (plus the Twins best CG ahem)
@steep coyote Same. I love the Valley, my fav for sure
@wind bone True but it doesn't tell us everything.
And a flying coliseum would fit the athletic theme
Please no more bones
How we sorta came to it is.
@hushed steeple and I want more glassed lakes 
Lmaoo
@hushed steeple and I want more glassed lakes
@steep coyote ohh the whole iced lake thing is so beautiful. Love it
I love the Prairie village
Who's skeletons are in boneyard and are they same as the Caterpillar thing in forest underground and before wasteland and the ones we see after dying?
????
Trueeee plus the flying and the Sliding races - YES YES YES .. YES
It’s the whale
Trueeee plus the flying and the Sliding races - YES YES YES .. YES
@steep coyote Racing is one of the best things to do in game imo
Did they go extinct or something?
It gives a lot of candles too right?
So was valley always frozen?
I feel so much lonely and empty in valley🥺 🥺
I believe so since its high up on a mountain
I think there’s only one whale left alive
Yes! Especially for fast farm candles and to have fun ~
Where?
The Ark is fleeing from the wasteland as it falls to corruption. However with all the lights it has inside the Ark it causes an unnatural storm. The Ark is whipping through the mountains, trying to avoid them. However a Krill charges at the Ark, the Ark swerves and avoids the Krill, but they slam RIGHT into the mountains, tearing up the oars and making the ship lose control and crash land into the area it is now.
That's sorta what we came up with.
The one we see in forest/wasteland/eden
I think there’s only one whale left alive
@wind bone The forest one?
Dear Toyota Camry please read the chat 20 minutes ago.
Is the coelacanth whale and the cosmic whale the same species? They don’t look very similar at all
@wind bone you think the same whale in forest caves is the same in wasteland and orbit?
So the Caterpillar thing is the Whale?
Yeah mael
That’s an interesting theory about there being only one whale left
Poor guy
So the Caterpillar thing is the Whale?
@hushed steeple we've had a huge whale discussion like 20 mins ago
Where is whale in the wasteland???
I hope those are 3 different
@wind bone hmm... I think 3 at least... One underground Hidden Forest, One another near the entrance to Westeland and the last one after Eden
@ember zodiac before we reach wasteland
I’m not sure about the cosmic whale thing in vault
When you are flying from the end of valley to the social area in wasteland
@drifting heart that's a nice take on it, I was thinking they were going to wasteland with their lights to restore the land, like we see in the ark
Oh
@wind bone that could be the one in forest broken bridge areas bones
But here's where it gets a little grim.
The flight sequence from Valley to wasteland, we see it @ember zodiac
@steep coyote yeah I think those are all the same ones kind of guiding us to the end
Because of that Krill
I would love to see Westeland to it's original beauty
Oh!! A whale sighting at the wasteland entrance as whale as in orbit
The crew can't even repair the ark and escape, the Krill literally blocking their only escape route.
Maybe it was a port city
But isn’t each level in vault based on a previous level?
The crew can't even repair the ark and escape, the Krill literally blocking their only escape route.
@drifting heart They use home glitch🤣 🤣
I believe that's why we see so many bones
The crew can't even repair the ark and escape, the Krill literally blocking their only escape route.
@drifting heart so they just started to farm and stuff there?
@wind bone I'm not sure on the very top level (pre cutscene) as we also see that in orbit
The 100: except they're all dead
The cosmic/spirit creatures, really only the manta and the big “whale” are supposed to be similar in appearance to their living, judging from the spirit mantas at least. But then we also see a whale skeleton in forest
Can't leave because if they do, the Krill will relentlessly attack them.
They were forced to remain there.
@drifting heart nice.. I thought why was the krill there
The 6 statues area in vault temple is also there in orbit
The skeleton matches with the living whale we see but not with the spirit whale in vault at all
@drifting heart nice.. I thought why was the krill there
@ember zodiac there's a Krill in the ark area?
I can't delete pics sorry
@lapis charm We call the spirit whales in the vault "Mult-Mantas"
Yes
you mean they are stuck there?@drifting heart
At the very beginning.. over the hill
I go there all the time yet never saw it lol
There's a krill about the mountain pass at ark
Oh! Makes so much more sense
Why can't they repair small boats and escape with them? Easier tbh. The Krill won't spot them since he can't even spot us ahah
I just jump off the boat ASAP and fly to the main spirit in the ark
The Krill will notice what.. 6 or so boats?
I think there were more than 1 krill when they were alive
And it'll pull a Moby on them.
One by one passing?
and we have no role in it?
I would love if the clouds disappeared from above the ark
Remember that we are only showing up maybe hundreds of years after the spirits were there
helping spirits i mean
We have no part in the crash.
The same route we do
That to.
They could get spotted
Hmm ;--;,
Also Ardy.
Idk they're dead anyway lol
If you fly to the Krill it will notice you.
Oh-!!
And go SCREEEEEEEEEE, like any other Krill.
Idk they're dead anyway lol
@hushed steeple we are seeing just their memories
Will it instantly attack me or give me a few seconds?
Exactly, no need to think about them ahah
Yep
It'll behave like any krill.
Also Bubble this is back when they were alive.
But the Spirits are dead, we just free them from their burdens
The Krill most definitely would see them try to escape.
dang
We will know the story when season ends
Felt cute, might go and tease the Krill in the Ark area idk
In the Ark murals it also kinda looks like different groups (for each color light) of people coming together
And go like "UH UH" and nyoom at them.

Yeah our role in this game is to relive the spirits memories and then ascend them
Seasonal spirits show up in ascension too
That's why they are "imprisoned" in the rock before we save them
Yeh.
They got krilled
I think that we are getting rid of the darkness in their soul
We burn the darkness plant and then we free them from the rock
Sad that I can't add my theory of the Ark's crash into that doc though, lol.
Just like how we free the sky kids in eden by giving them light
Yes!
And in return, the spirits teach us domestic abuse
mfw the one emote where you can beat up your friend
Skykids get trapped similarly in Eden, but nowhere else... are we just more durable?
Just kinda use your friend like a meat bag you can punch
Eden is supposedly ground zero of the corruption.
We are more connected to the light than the ancestors are
But it’s weird how when sky kids are petrified and freed they just go to that winged light form whereas when the spirits, who we find already petrified/dead, are freed they become well... spirits
I'll do that with my boyfriend if he dares to Krill me
The playfight emote recharges your light really fast tho
Well we are literally spawn of the light.
My thinking is that sky kids and the original spirits are related but not the same “species” for lack of a better word
I'll do that with my boyfriend if he dares to Krill me
@steep coyote use the domestic abuse emote on him
@hushed steeple Always AHAHAH
Wow get out of my head
Pfft-
But that’s confirmed ! The devs said that
Yeh
Oh period
Skykids are literally light spawn
The ancestors are.. well were.. probably just normal people.
So they're not human indeed? At least the sky kids aren't
Yeah none of us are human
Yea the ancestors do look way more human like
We are like 2 feet tall too lol
The spirits too then?
Well I wouldn’t worry about real life heights
In the beginning of sky, the intro cinematic makes it seem like some of the spirit race came down to the world of sky but not all, who stayed as stars in presumably orbit
The heights of the elders vary in game depending on where you see them
He is sorta a godly being isn't he? He should be able to manipulate his height
But I think that it’s implied that sky kids are just Small
Like remember that thanksgiving artwork?
With the ability to change height.
But I think that it’s implied that sky kids are just Small
@wind bone "I'm baby"
So I wonder if the orbit-faring spirits maybe creates the sky kids for the express purpose of saving the earthbound spirits
Sky kids are smaller than turkeys
Or turkeys are very big.
What if we are like Little Fairies?
Turkeys are huge
Like Tinkerbell
What if we are like Little Fairies?
@steep coyote makes a lot of sense to me
I've seen a turkey almost the height of my parents.
Eye
I’m-
Also @wind bone Where's this thanksgiving artwork?
So, the sky kids are still way, way smaller than average human
Yeh.
Would we say about 3-4 feet?
Let me go get it
@hushed steeple and the Chibi mask makes us way smaller
We are tiny cute things!
Sorta like with Hollow Knight.
why do we see our friends at the end when flying in eden
They’re that big? I thought they were bugs...
Then there's me... Using a resize potion (I didn't even want to use it) and becoming taller...
They are bugs, HUMANOID bugs.
I thought they were tiny humanoid bugs hudjcnns
Petition for turkey mount
thought there is a meaning to it xD its my fav part
why do we see our friends at the end when flying in eden
@hushed steeple Might be implied that they too are children of light, so we all end up in the orbit in the end of our journey anyway
Pfft
Yes all sky kids are children of light
The winged light we collect are also children of light
We've sorta set a general consensus that everything is Hollow Knight is roughly human scale @wind bone
That’s scary..
So yes Bardoon is huge
Are we cannibalistic?
I don’t think we eat them lol
MY THOUGHTS on the children of light we collect
We just absorb them
We don't actually need nourishment?
Oh god.
"hi sibling" vores
Each child of light is a child of light in eden
AHAHAH
Skykids are Namekians!
i think they’re like NPCs giving us extra light power lol
The devs say that the winged light is a child of light we are connected to
I can't feel my lungs --
Oooooo
So I think that we collect it and bring it back to the child of light stuck at eden
Yeah thatd be pretty cool
Possible.
We also get stuck at eden after death, but they don’t show that for gameplay reasons
Maybe. Return them to their true owners?
I still like the Namekian idea.
so they belong to eden?
Oh kinda like reuniting them with their soul/light
We also get stuck at eden after death, but they don’t show that for gameplay reasons
@wind bone Do we not get reborn?
Oh kinda like reuniting them with their soul/light
@lapis charm probably. So we collect the souls and return them to their frozen bodies in eden.
Wait so why do we then go Super Saiyan in the ending custscene?
Ascend
Maybe!
Oh yeah, when I died I tried to position myself somewhere "Safe"
I’ve always been confused by this: in eden after getting stoned, and we’re a shadowkid. Who is the child of light we help up and hug? Is that another us? Someone else?
"Rise and shine!"
flies to the orbit
I think so too
Sky kids are a hybrid of light and dark
In the cutscene when we wilter and die trying to save our friends, but then another comes along and gives us out light so we can go EVEN FURTHER BEYOND and ascend.
Like a “don’t give up” inner self
@lapis charm it's us, the shiny us
So I think that’s your light half
Rather than dark, it seems like a neutral part of us meets with a light part
But our darkness it's different if we notice
Since dark would symbolise corrupt and harmful
We don't hurt anyone
Yea seems more so "empty" and neutral rather than dark and corrupt
Not corruption darkness
Wait so...
Ye
Skykids are vessels?
Absence of light darkness

Light/life force snuffed out darkness
In a way since they do have the power to contain winged lights, then share them with others
Mom found the light energy vessel
Skykid.. heart of dark, soul of light.
Btw ... Dark can't be extinguished, because without Dark we couldn't have the light and vice versa. They complete eachothers, such as the "SkyKid" we are the ultimate breed where Light and Dark coexist
But we heavily shift towards light. Perhaps it's because we are trying to bring balance to the force-
We're literal vessels oh god.
You were the chosen one, Skykin.
You were supposed to destroy the darkness, not join it.
No no.
Yep
But we heavily shift towards light. Perhaps it's because we are trying to bring balance to the force-
@hushed steeple
Soul of Light, Soul of Dark. Heart of Kid.
Mechanically, the game repeats itself: you go through all the realms, go through eden, die and are reborn, repeat.
But narratively, do y’all think the story is doomed to a loop or do y’all think that us skykids are making progress and will eventually save everyone?
I think it's looped.
Because the frozen kids respawn weekly.
But, if the game creators are done with the game entirely, they might end it with a mission accomplished.
In between. As long as we remember of what we Explore so, we will always be in the right
I think that the healing of forgotten ark shows that we are making progress, if slowly.
Yeah I wonder what will happen to the area when we finish the lights.
We sure are. We save the spirits, and they're saved permanently. It's only the winged lights and the frozen children in eden that refresh.
Well, we can't save everyone tbh... But we can still try, that's what matters!
We literally only have one light left to collect right?
That’s right I forgot about that
@drifting heart yes!
And still no spoiler
Orange.

Skykids purpose isn’t primarily to save other skykids possibly, but those of the spirits stuck
Ah! I think i have found it already for a quest.
Oh? The last star? It's another light?
But then why would skykids go to eden if there’s no spirit there
To finish the job
to carry the light to ascension
To save the frozen kids. Also, from the very start, we can see Eden shining and calling to us from the mountain.
@lapis charm because there still someone trapped in eden
So the kid itself probably moves towards it on instinct
Ahh the rest of the skykids
Exactly
Like moths
Yep
Ye
Imagine this though.
Darkness: Ahahaahahah! Soon I'll corrupt all things! The whole universe!
Skykids: So you have chosen.. death?
Skykids : fricckin dies
Then respawns
Dies again

Darkness do be camping doe.
The possibility that skykids are created or at least used to save the other spirits by the orbit spirits gives me very neon genesis vibes lol
Then respawns..
Dies again
Imagine when we finally complete the game though.
Get loop'd
We do like a Family Kamehameha and blast the source of the corruption.
I don’t know if we’ll see a narrative completion
What if ....
Maybe when the creators are done adding new stuff
We might as well get perma death.
No no
Whot
AHAHAH
Sky and Journey seemed to draw a lot from Buddhist themes and a central theme of that is cycles of life and the cycle of reincarnation
..Even though Eden looks like New York.
Not NY sidjsjksks
Eden looks like my room
Eden: exists
1996 Toyota Camry's room: Finally, a worthy opponent!
Idk why but putting the whole name into the mini-meme made it better.
You mean the garage
You know that makes me wonder..
Perhaps
Can Skykids travel to different universes?
You know that makes me wonder..
@drifting heart you always wonder-
Wondering is good
Hm. How so?
The different maps could be different universes on their own. Or the part after the orbit.
Like uhh..
The different maps are connected though
On what basis do you wonder that
SkyKid travels to A Hat in Time or somethin'
Probably not, I think their purpose is in this universe
Like through physical disatance
Not to say anything...
though the office raises some questions
You can fly through all the realms without using the portal
The different maps are connected though
@lapis charm Yeah. They are. They just load separately because.. Well, to have mercy on our phones.
I can't even get in.
Do you want me to take you?
I STILL haven't seen the office
@drifting heart Me neither. Not very curious though.
@lapis charm Maybe.
But I felt like a old Nokia model while going into the Eden Storm
@steep coyote Does it lag that bad? Can you drop the graphic quality?
In beginning it says stars fell through the sky and made home in the clouds, so we're just going from one cloud to another, just on a higher level
No interdimensional traveling
Still..
I don’t think the office is canon
Imagine Hat Kid in the Sky universe..
@hushed steeple no I meant... I was hard to kill off AHAHAH I had 75 winged lights
Nokia is strong though
I don’t think the office is canon
@lapis charm probably isn't canon indeed.
Bashing a Krill's skull in with an umbrella.
Yeah the office is not canon
The devs said that
Also it has glass
Glass doesn’t exist in sky
The office is not canon, yet we can go there, which raises the questions about travelling between universes
Isn't the officie supposedly like.. a dev room?
@hushed steeple no I meant... I was hard to kill off AHAHAH I had 75 winged lights
@steep coyote oh! Same here. My first time I went there with all the winged lights I could find, except for some secret areas I forgot.
Yeah it’s just the devs office
Now I am above 80 stars so we will see how long I'll last next week.
No glass, only ice, ice, baby
It’s an Easter egg it wouldn’t say it has any bearing on lore
Ah.
Though yet again if it's not canon, and has glass.
That does mean we sorta can do interdimensional travel.
Oreo is also in game but that doesn’t mean there’s dogs in the Sky world
That does mean we sorta can do interdimensional travel.
@drifting heart Only if you pay for it irl or if you're an early beta tester.
Someone can take you there for free.99
Pfft.
Right lol
The space station is supposed to represent the remote developers :D
Omggg that’s why they beam
That’s so cute
Like devs in other countries?
Skykids can do dev sanctioned interdimensional travel only :)
Beem
Yeah just devs that don’t work in the Santa Monica office
Ah.
Oh
Wait where is Santa Monica?
California
Ah.
And that upstairs room is full of sand because that’s the office they used to develop journey
Wait, what's the difference?
You know how Skykids can use calls right?
People live on a space station
Space station is where astronauts live
That means we do have some form of vocalization.
I see, but
... they left that space unoccupied?
Omg I didn’t know that. That’s so cute
So does that mean..
I see
Skykids can talk?
Sky kids have so many common super powers lol
They can sing
they can beep
From what I've seen, they can't talk. They just make noises.
In orbit they sing
Yeah I think they can talk but it’s not like our language
^^
You DIDN'T just make me imagine that
They can technically do that with the horn
Shsksgsjbss
Wait why don't they use the same space in the building as they created journey?
Ehduno.
It’s filled with sand
Like, it's just upstairs
Because they needed more room probably?
beeps Never Gonna Give You Up in orbit to annoy the spirits
XD
That makes me wish we had a singing function.
Like imagine the instrument functions, but with our voice.
The horn used to be like that 
As in our character's voice.
There are some dancing emotes. Not sure if some of them do allow your character to make vocal noises itself as it changes figures.
Journey had so much sand that is flooded into the office, making the room unusable
I want my Skykid to sing like Brendon Urie
So, if I make a game 1 in room 1,
So to make game 2 I will use room 1, why abandon the room 1 and get a new room.. like what?
I want my Skykid to sing Ysera's death music.
Maybe cost?
I panic but there's no disco anywhere.
The TGC almost went bankrupt making Journey or something
Dear god.
The TGC lol
Why not use the same space though
They probably did use it
Hope so
They may have needed to move to another area, or they may have needed more space.
But it's upstairs
@hushed steeple OMGGGG AHAHAH
It is upstairs in the Office area right?
The upstairs area is smaller
Who says it was also upstairs irl?
Touché
It may have been in another town, god knows.
Irl that is
If that's the case
They didn’t almost they did
Oh Oop
They basically shut down for a bit
Poor bbys
Journey was very expensive to make
They had to wait until the money came in from the sales to reopen
There can be a lot of reasons. Such as, going bankrupt and having to get a new place later.
Hmmmmm
That’s crazy
I see
I’m glad they were able to recover
Or upgrading to a bigger better place for comfort.
And even thrive
They're getting the attention they deserve
They actually deserve more but. Oh well.
They get so much attention people think they’re a aaa company 
The games TGC makes are amazing to us, sure, but they’re definitely not like super marketable triple A games
How big is their team
I love that for them
Around 30 ppl
Hmmmm
We’re flipping lucky this game is free and ad-free
They're still very impressive games especially considering it's on mobile. Making a game like that on mobile.. Holy cow
XD
Tgc engineers are gods
yea
Ads aren't a problem
We’re flipping lucky this game is free and ad-free
@onyx meteor exactly! It's not one of those pay to win games either
Am I the only hype about Sky on Switch????
Ads aren't a problem as long as they're forced *
Everyone is 👀
The reason vine shut down was because they didn’t have ads either
I don't have switch so I am not hype about it
I'm really glad we can access the whole story without having to pay extra,,
But Sky is so likeable that people want to buy bundles
Maybe DLC would be nice
They should get ads, just not make it forced
Noo ads
Like watch 1 ad for a day and get 1 candle or something
No not story, more costume events
Yeah I don’t think it would make sense with their mission for the game about unity and stuff
Oh that’s just seasons
I'm really glad we can access the whole story without having to pay extra,,
@craggy nexus exactly. It could've been asking money for the rest of the story after like the forest, kind of like the one game where you're stuck in living land and afterlife.
I think they work to let people experience the games they make
They will continue to make those

How do you feel about season of enchantment
Love it. I hope all seasons are like this in the future
Only the capes are cool
I think emotes are better than cosmetics
Rest of the stuff is meh
Like watch 1 ad for a day and get 1 candle or something
@hushed steeple I'd take ads like those gladly.
There’s so much story in this one and with it we can finally figure out the origins of crabs
Very nice scenery in ark!!
@daring current it's the first Season I'm experiencing, it's so beautiful tbh
Yessss crab backstory
Crab origin story lol
Like those spirits are stupid
Belonging had a nice story too but having this whole season being centered in wasteland is very interesting
I think they were close to getting to eden and crashed from krill attack near the boat river
They saw a krill, and decided to ram a boat into it...
What did they think was gonna happen?
I wonder what happened to all the other spirits on the ark
Maybe they fled
Hmm.. I like this season cosmetics but I hope we'll have Blue colors next season :3
monched by krill perhaps
Or maybe they died too and their stories aren’t important to us for gameplay reasons so we don’t see them lol
That’s a sad and scary thought
I was hoping for some farmer spirits in future
Because I think the sky spirits couldn’t return to orbit they need skykids to save them but if they fled and we can’t find them
Also it's supposed to be desert wear and accessories related to deserts, that doesn't look like a desert though
Well they stuck
Thats terrible seraph haha
Place is pretty, but don't look like desert
Hey, does anyone who went to the mushrooms before they were removed know if they were able to be picked up like crabs?
Straw hat spirit in the future
You picked them
Straw hat = yes
Nah
Lmaoooooo
You just picked them
I thought they were moving TO the general area the ark is in
Like how you pick the candle at home
Not away from
What do you think inspired sky??
All past tgc games
Will the ark section exist after season is over?
@hushed steeple yes all areas are permanent additions
Also the quests to collect the light is also permanent
I would like to think past tgc games with japanese inspo from movies and anime
What section were in previous season?
Like spirited away was a big inspo
The vault archives is totally a castle in the sky reference
Woww
@hushed steeple underground caverns in forest, that maze in the valley temple
The kikis delivery service now accessory
A really old TGC game, fl0w, basically shaped my childhood... I have no idea it was connected to Sky's team until recently... I've come full circle
Ooo
Maybe not intentional but very similar
Flower was amazing on the ps3
Flower was great. I need to play it again
Well reika is a fan of studio ghibli and she works on a lot of the cosmetics 👀 (she is also a level designer)
Ive seen journey and it looks well
I love her
I’m still devastated that I missed out on Journey free download on the PS
fl0w was different from flower, though that was great too!
The more Ghibli stuff the better. Barring copyright threatening stuff ofc
Yoko Taro's games shaped so much my view of many things
I love this chat and everyone in it
I think one small detail in game is a reference to flower
You know what, since we're children in the game, they should add a school or a playground theme season, with school uniform cosmetics lol
Lol @fringe plover
Have you noticed when sky kids walk on grass there’s a light trail
I feel like the tgc members are gods. Like imagine them to all be elder spirits with one of a kind capes
It’s just like flower
Aww
Yess its like jet trails
It's also on sand
TGC also definitely has a large theme of nature/respect for nature versus industrialization
I would love events in sky
With flower, Journey, and sky
Like live action events
But not foot prints
Nah a reference can't be Copyrighted :0
I mean the grass and flowers themselves light up as you walk on them
Imagine a live action event where we see the designers and engineers
It’s kinda like Avatar
But as sky kids
I’d love that
And you get to interract with them got emotes and cosmetics
They did put sky kid version of themselves in the office for Halloween!
More dev team Easter eggs would be cute
Ooh yes please!
Omg
Oooh thats a great season idea
It think the flora respond to the player due to them being a literal star
The sky kids descend from the stars at the beginning of the game
I’m excited to see what the ark area looks like once completed
Orange light 
My guess is it has to do with fire since the icon is literally fire.
They added lanterns everywhere with the purple light too
Season of Boat > Season of Enchantment
I love the little bazaar look
Yea,, fire and life are pretty interconnected, maybe it restores creatures?
:0
Yes
Heal the crab friends... 💚
I think that the mantas in the crab cave murals are too convenient to just be for decoration
That would actually make some sense
I thought they symbolized light, but that does make more sense
Them being crabs, that is
As in forest we see two mantas trapped by dark plants and in the forest temple there’s the large plant with a crab by it
Perhaps the mantas eventually got snuffed out and corrupted
When you look at the crab murals there are a lot of manta and a few crabs, but the more corruption added to the land the more the mantas fall and become crabs
I think Crabs are just naturally creatures of the dark, the Enchantment spirit did take some water from the Crab pond, though the Crabs got angry when too much of their water was taken. They need it to survive cause you usually only find crabs in locals with water or polluted water
There was a imgur album but I forgot where it is ghfjjcjjs
Hahaha that’s okay
I don’t think dark creatures are natural
They are covered in corruption
The same kind you see in eden
Light probably drys the crabs up, which is agitating for anyone
And the same kind you yourself get covered in when you’re about to die
I think they can
But you have to take them to eden
Which is hard to do when they wanna kill you lol
Krill are covered in clouds of dark particles
(Take back their light)
carries crab to Eden
Also did you guys know crabs attack any source of light
Yeah!
I learned that from you yesterday
They can attack fire from lanterns and make it go out
And I saw it later yesterday too
they go after lanterns too, right?
Yep
But neonicide what does that imply 👀
They hate my bonfire
No the krill thing lol
Krill have a significantly larger mass compared to a crab, allowing them to contain more darkness
....jus came by to say that crabs are actually scared of krill
No
If crabs are covered in corruption
That means that krill must also be some type of corrupted light creature
I wonder if we can save a krill some day..?
probably not, they're a lot bigger than a crab, and a lot harder to manage
Both the eyes of crabs and krill are colored with the same red of the Eden Crystals when angry
Man I wonder what the krill looked like before corruption- and also I just wanna ride one 😔
Oh! The crystals absorb light, and crabs can steal some light as well
Also krill have one eye do u know what else only has one eye 👁️
cyclops?
A hurricane

OH
jellyfish?
Do they have eyes?
Probably not in a sense that we understand
That wasn’t what I was going for but now that’s something I gotta think about lol
oh oops uh
Just floating eyeballs..
👀
I remember seeing in a video there was some sort of dark manta/bird thing somewhere in the wasteland?? I really want to find the video but I wonder if it was a corrupted manta
Do mantas have eyes?
Oh okay!
It’s not a small manta though but a large one
Oh interesting!
It’s the eye of the storm
Like we see in vault that large manta
It also has one eye
I believe that regular light mantas also grow that way
They eventually become weird long eel things
So that type of manta become corrupted
This sounds like something outta hp lovecraft
It also makes sense how light is necessary to fly as when you’re completely corrupted you can barely jump
Maybe when mantas get corrupted they lose the ability to fly and become warped into earthbound crabs
How are krill still in the air, I wonder?
Growing legs
There’s also this concept on it
Cooling something down usually slows movement of its atoms
Oh wow so it’s possible they’re not even different species at all
Tuesday just said something interesting
ooh yeah i love that concept
Do u guys know what ash (tgc artist) said about the crabs
But just stages in a single species life cycle
That last manta would require a large amount of food
Ash says that the crabs walk that way for a specific reason... it’s mimicking something
(Doesn’t necessarily mimic something in game)
ooooo
Where is the elder part of the creature found?
I’m on the edge of my seat wondering what it is lolol
Think about it 👀
Intrigued
Why they walk that way 🤔
They mimic crabs?
Us? Idk
crabs walk sideways
Where is the hex wing? And the elder winged creature?
clock
a clock
Rainbow clock
Oh lol
it shows when the rainbow will appear
That's the speaker that plays the forest theme
Ohhhh
The pot of gold has yet to be found
Not Seraph dropping that and then leaving. I’m-
There is a pot of gold?
Wait no
JSISIWKSK
Gold pot. Old beta quest
Large insects maybe?
Think about what you said about mantas losing the ability to fly
No lore tho
@wind bone where is the hex wing and elder creature found?
Perhaps they run out of light energy
@hushed steeple whats that?
Yeah I think they run out of light to fly and they can only walk now
I only remember seeing normal mantas
There’s the spirit manta that has many wings at the end of vault
Crabs can drink corrupt water?
And the whale we see is the elder
I love the spirit manta
Guys!!!
But whale don't look like that picture tho
Yes?
Does it?
hey here's a wackytheory
Look at all them wings
Many people say its a cosmic Whale
Totally
What includes darkness creatures in this game?
Crabs and krills
Where did these old spirits lived?
Omg sunfish/mola mola light creature
@lapis charm ok now think about irl about flying creatures
When a mass extinction happens do you realize who survives?
And how do we get them back to their home???
It's mostly the small creatures
Where is the dark manta? I remember seeing it in a video?
Like a manta that attacks us
That was a video from a hacker, not official
Oh ok cool
Ohh no don't talk about it
Not everyone knows that it was hacked it’s ok to ask
Hmm irl flying creatures
Oh okay! I didnt know it was a hacker 😔
You'll get a message from a bot
With multiple legs
It's mostly the small creatures
@undone steppe yeah...
Arthropoda
But larger creatures can live in selcluded places like the freezing cold, the air, a cave.
But it would be cool to see a dark manta
ROACHES
YES THEY DO SJDJSJS
Yeah they do
Flying roaches
repressed memories
Lololol hmmmm
How do we get spirits back to their home?
There's a species of spiders which fly too
And where is their home???
Their home is orbit
There were large animals aswell. In the age of the spirits. And Huge elders before then
Hmm....
Crabs remind me of Mudcrabs from Skyrim
There were only 7 elders
Our elders are probably the last of their kind.... there were probably way more
The Whale is the elder!?
I don't think
Look at wasteland
What whale???
That’s also why I think the whale is the last one alive
@pearl staryes
If a whale is an elder creature
In the very first intro cutscene it shows 7 stars falling from the sky
It was probably the only one to survive the incident
@wind bone only 2 whales in the whole game
Ohh wait, yes ik that whale
7 elders
One in the forest area and wastelands too
The whale is Probably one of my favorite creatures in the game ah🥺 I hope they find friends like themself soon!!
Yea, I think that's one whale
Giant weapons, the scale upward. It all correlates to things being bigger than us
I’m scratching my head with this mimicking thing. But i think that for some reason, unlike skykids who get petrified, the other creatures become corrupted and instead of light rejuvenating them, they have an insatiable void for light. Crabs attack any source of light and krill attack light creatures, presumably eating or absorbing their light. But they’re never satiated by light that way. It’s possible Krill are so corrupted they’re able to fly ooooorrr they’ve consumed so much light they can fly as dark creatures
@undone steppe the 7 red things? Those are the 7 elders
@wind bonei was about to say that
Oh, and the whale appears in the end when we get near orbit
Ok let me phrase it in a different way
Or you know after eden???
Think about how some flying creatures walk
These have been in discussion for a long time
@wind bone Whale would walk like an earthworm
So many swimming creatures fly, so you're suggest some flying creatures to walk? @wind bone
Most flying birds hop, flying insects crawl
Keep thinking of other flying creatures and how they walk
@hushed steeple I’m referring to how the crabs walk
Do crabs mimic the krill?
Oh
Ok, maybe?
Giant weapons, giant animals, ancient monsters. It seems like there's been a decrease in resource, like a vital supply such as oxygen. It mimics the way our earth went to the cyanazoec {citation need } extinction
or they've been killed off
Birds, bats, insects
stop there
I was thinking that is the krill hungry of light?? Bcse it only eats mantas and attacks us and not the crabs..
What Tuesday said

I was thinking that is the krill hungry of light?? Bcse it only eats mantas and attacks us and not the crabs..
@broken basin yup, light eater cus dark hates light
Think about those 3 things walk
they hop
And think about a crab
Crabs walk
Flying birds hop. Not like a crab
Why doesn't a manta eat a krill????
Bats climb/crawl
Manta too smol lol
Insects would be most akin to the crabs. They have multiple legs
Crabs don't fly in game...
It won't be fun if they do in real life
What if the light from Eden has been depleting.
Keep thinking Tuesday
😂
There r always giant versions of the animals
What if the light from Eden has been depleting.
@undone steppe interesting
Ugh I feel like I’m close. I’ma keep thinking
YOURE SO CLOSE PLS KEEP THINKING
Sjsisksksksk
🧠
Even look at gifs if it helps
big brain times toyota
Im going in game to watch these crabs 
U got this Tuesday!
Tuesday is about to have an epiphany
Like we see giant mantas in prairie bell area, giant jellyfishes in forest clearing and eden and probably the Whale which we see is also the giant version of the normal whale( take the Whale skeleton in forest as a reference of the size of a normal Whale)
Crabs are just reusable grenades
Some crabs are weak
More darkness stronger the crabs
More darkness stronger the crabs
@hushed steeple true, for example, the valley crabs
you think there are birds that walk like the crabs in sky?
Excuse me
are they mutants of birds and insects?
@cold steppe who???
the crabs
There's crabs in valley??
yeah, valley maze
Dark creatures can't exist if light is present
I’m so invested in this now. If someone figures it out I’m gonna be upset sksksksk
Figure what out
Me rn
😂
y'all can do it 
Thinking about LEGS
Tuesday you’re literally the only one to get this close I believe in you
Just think about those 3 things u said...
So we talking about crab legs
What 3 things
Imagine if for a second Eden was a door, like like the sun, letting in light (in the form of spirit) into the world and bringing it back In to clean it. ( a sense of rebirth. Godspark, or activity ) Before it was beautiful but slowly it became corrupted. See darkness is a thing that feeds upon light. Trapping it in the material and denying it's rebirth. This corrupts the natural creatures of the plane
I’m going all the way back to homologous and analogous morphologies
The crabs are cordyvergs
incests, bats, birds, and how they walk
to what now
They're controlled by the darkness like an insect controlled by a parasyte
They can take in the darkness by drinking it's waters
Homologous and analogous. How animals have similar structures that serve different purposes or different structures that serve similar purposes
Darkness rains upon people. Causing suffering and halting rebirth.
I think that darkness is like a moth, and the diamond is like a lamp, and the moth gets attached to the lamp, so every darkness is near the diamond
youre losing me 
I just noticed something
That sounds complicated lol just look at how those irl creatures walk and compare it to a crab I promise you you will get it
Sorta??
The crabs in game or irl
Like, it's like a mud pool
More close you get to the middle more muddy it gets
They belong symbol looking similar to the things in game (like our chest) is a coincidence actually
ohh
The devs didn’t realize how similar it was until it was pointed out gjjfjdjsj
same with the valley banners right
Yee


But our chest does line up with eden
We have a clear connection with eden
Delete
Stahp lol
Man I might understand now about the crabs but I want tues to say it waa!!!




