so do u believe that we as players are reliving the same experiences over and over again? i'm confused
#lore-discussion-spoilers
plush moon
ember zodiac
Why do we free the statues then I don't get that? Would the freed statues restore the kingdom to it's previous glory or something?!
desert sun
theres a theory going around that the kids in eden that you give statues to are actually a first generation version of skykids, which would make us a second generation
desert sun
skykids with the same purpose as us, that failed in eden
ember zodiac
theres a theory going around that the kids in eden that you give statues to are actually a first generation version of skykids, which would make us a second generation
@desert sun so why did the first generation go to Eden?
ember zodiac
There is nothing in Eden
low seal
to try to dismantle the crystal if the evil king theory is correct
desert sun
the first generation were presumably tasked with the same mission that we have: to save the elders
low seal
eden used to be something
desert sun
"bring our lost stars home"
low seal
next time youre in eden, look at the structures
plush moon
why does the first generation when freed leave behind ascended candles and go up above?
low seal
blessings for setting them free probably?
ember zodiac
Maybe they tried to trap the king of darkness or something🤔
low seal
theres a lot of stuff we dont know yet guys OTL
ember zodiac
They should release a canon story
low seal
its being released slowly lol
thats the point of the seasons
theyre adding to the story
desert sun
the generation thing is still a theory, im not really up with it myself but it is interesting to think about
ember zodiac
Or atleast some additional cutscenes after Eden
desert sun
it explains the statues at eden, at least
ember zodiac
What did the free kids do
low seal
sky is a game with dialogue or direct quest, the point is to raise questions on what really happens
desert sun
and it also explains why there are social spaces
ember zodiac
Its so nice to talk about sky lore
plush moon
beware about observation though there are some leftovers from Beta
ember zodiac
They should have kept the Eden door
low seal
??
ember zodiac
And make an story over it
You had the choice to not die in Eden in beta from what i have heard
desert sun
the only things i wish we had confirmation on is:
What are crabs
Is the power diamond theory correct
ember zodiac
Creatures corrupted by darkness?
Maybe the darkness corrupted whales to become Krills too
And what is the oreo? Why is it there?
low seal
also check pins OTL some of yalls questions will be answered there
ember zodiac
Hmm
They should make a channel for lore suggestions too😂
Lots of theories going on around here
plush moon
it's their work let them decide what to do with it
ember zodiac
GN guys.. see ya
plush moon
?
desert sun
plush moon
oh
desert sun
whenever something is getting power by a diamond, the platform is usually cracked/split
plush moon
i don't recall the prairie elevator being cracked
disclaimer i don't recall a lot of things
desert sun
the citadels spheres also have similar cracks, with blue lights and everything
steep coyote
I always wondered... What's the diamond thing that the last Elder gives to us? If you all noticed, we were always the ones to give Elders and Spirits something (light) and then the last one gives us something...
plush moon
the vault elder? it's a power diamond. the thing embedded in platforms, boats, doors, etc
desert sun
its not the cracks im concerned with, its the blue light under it
steep coyote
@plush moon yes him! But whey he gives it to us?
plush moon
they didn't quite give it to us? didn't it just float away?
steep coyote
Nope, we bring it the light and then he gives it to us, then yes, it floats away :0
plush moon
i didn't interpret them giving the diamond to us just letting it float off to a shelf or something
steep coyote
Oh :0
plush moon
if they wanted to give it to us i would assume that they would have gestured towards us like they did with us and the light in our hand
low seal
i think the diamonds/lights are keys to the next realm/power the portals to each realm
plush moon
I assumed that discovering a new place would open the realm there
low seal
you need to meet each elder for them to open the door to the next realm if youre traveling linearly
theres always a door opening sequence in each kingdom
including eden
plush moon
that sounds more like a game mechanic that goes in line with the light theme than a theory
low seal
eden got double door
i think the doors could have lore significance but i could also just be looking too deep into it
plush moon
but i understand ill try to think about how it will fit in the lore
ye i'm thinking that too
i saw the doors more like obstacles than bridges
low seal
bc when u start the game, all the portal are closed and the only way to progress to the next realm (including from home) is to summon the elder, cutscene, then they open some form of door
except praire to forest which i think might be more symbolic than anything
plush moon
honestly this asks the question : who made home?
turbid ledge
It was us
low seal
sky theoretically is the sky kid circle of life
turbid ledge
Mabe
low seal
(re) birth, infancy, adolescence, adulthood, middle age, old age, death, rebirth, etc
plush moon
i assume that what we call Light (megabird) made it
it coincides with the ages of a civilization
i think home is an entirely different realm
turbid ledge
The kings came down from the hevens but how did everything fall apart and everyone just starts dieing i didnt get that
plush moon
theory: eden built a big power diamond - power diamond went boom - created a black hole of darkness - rip civilization
turbid ledge
Oof
plush moon
i think u can still see the diamond if u look to eden it's that shiny thing
low seal
turbid ledge
Ooo i havent reached the dimond yet every time i just die so is it like the ultimate goal to reach that
low seal
u cant reach the diamond
turbid ledge
Oh
low seal
theres a wall around it unfortunately
plush moon
XD break the game
plush moon
the ark may imply that ppl didn't die instantly
we see the ark getting hit by lightning there's lightning around eden
low seal
nothing but facts lmao
stuck oyster
Also you know the spooki emote
The one thats supposedly a scarecrow spirit
What if
those aren't crops
What if
they're graves
plush moon
they're crabs
plush moon
we don't see gravestones tho...
low seal
i think they are crops
plush moon
then again the entire place is barren
low seal
or some form of vegetation
low seal
when you bring back the green (i believe) light, flora flourishes in the ark
plush moon
not like coffin-sized
stuck oyster
Who knows
plush moon
I would assume they need wood or stone for a proper grave marker
the way the ark is arranged makes it seem that they regained control of the ship and landed (upright) there
however I haven't paid attention to surroundings enough to see any skid marks
but the other ships...rip
this is why i need to take pics randomly ;-;
low seal
i dont think the sky kids/elders have burial rituals as we know them to be with marked graves
more honoring those who have lost light rather than seen as death, which is likely lost to our generation (as the player) bc of where we come into existence in the timeline
plush moon
low seal
oh fax
plush moon
we also see the crying emote burying her friends when they r trapped in the cave
low seal
fax im dumb
low seal
but i think burial rituals are probably hella different still for sky kids as we are now
its a huge difference in the generations purpose
plush moon
lol we're fixing the problems the older generation made
low seal
yea
meant to be a reform to the hypothetical and literal corruption of the previous generation
plush moon
i think we aren't exactly fixing them tho not in a sense of replacing more like ridding the problem all together
i think we're meant to free them and conclude their civilization
and in the process we learn their history and mistakes
i assume that the vault cutscene is supposed to hammer this down
low seal
plush moon
errr that's baldness?
anyways so the vault elder literally personifies our duty as skykids
low seal
yea i feel that
plush moon
it's like their new home -- in history when their capital was destroyed
i recall in eden they have the similar layout of elders that is at the top level of the vault
so i assumed you are versed in the civil war theory?
low seal
im gonna go look now im curious which part ur talking ab bc i straight up dont remember
plush moon
what's your opinion on which realms are neutral
plush moon
ok in wasteland: we see two different kinds of shields: one with a starburst thing and another with a diamond
so: my take (i don't know if it's identical to what other's think but this is what i remember) is that there was a civil war between those who wanted to use light creatures (mega mantas) for creating power diamonds and those who disagreed and wanted to save em
low seal
honestly? neutrality? probably forest
plush moon
wasteland lost (see the battefield outside the temple) and he was changed to the light side
undone steppe
I believe the civil war was caused by the lower realms (isle, prairie, forest,) stealing power gems from the vault (who is allied by the wasteland and valley )
plush moon
i think eden, valley, and vault are neutral
but i have seen light shields in eden
hmm i haven't heard that before
plush moon
but i assume the distribution of power diamonds are part of the economy after all we see prairie giving butterflies to forest - it would make sense they would get something back
undone steppe
Perhaps it was a capital?
undone steppe
Well the orriarys more of a science structure I feel
low seal
perhaps wasteland faced the brunt of the attacks, while valley was more a thriving base of operations
plush moon
i think the map shows valley as floating islands
low seal
the aviary?
undone steppe
Orriary???
plush moon
i haven't seen any evidence of war there - no fortifications
undone steppe
I don't know how to spell it
drifting copper
orrery?
low seal
the citadel is the area past the giant spirit gate
in valley
there is no avairy
theres the birds nest in praire
drifting copper
aviary was removed rip rip
low seal
at least ive never heard of the aviary (,:
plush moon
noooooooooooooo
drifting copper
the orrery is used by scholars though
undone steppe
The place with the gyro scopes!
plush moon
i don't know what that is but it sounds cool ;-;
i think it's an airfield base thing?
undone steppe
The valley had a focus on tourism, commerce and science.
plush moon
i can agree
low seal
the "gyroscopes" are in the citadel
undone steppe
It does have tons of walls
low seal
i dont feel like a citadel would be where tourism would really flourish in wartime if the civil war theory is correct
undone steppe
People like to think it's a sporty area, but isn't it more of a collesium
plush moon
ik but with wasteland right? there was probably a population of worker's families with the industry going on there
low seal
what i think, going off the line of thinking of what you stated from the theory
plush moon
then they weaponized for war
drifting copper
this looks similar to the orrery in the center of citadel oof
low seal
the wasteland, before the war, was a beautiful place (golden) decimated by war, there was also a battlement in the wasteland
like there was a fortress in citadel
plush moon
i think it plausible....but i just blurted it out cuz tourism brought it to my mind
low seal
those were the fronts
plush moon
oof valley was luckier
low seal
wasteland, obviously, faced the brunt like how a lot of modern day wars tend of have one place as absolutely decimated
plush moon
so u think valley surrendered?
low seal
i think wasteland surrendered
plush moon
and then valley?
undone steppe
Mountain citadels tend to be well defended
plush moon
why would valley fight with wasteland?
low seal
i dont think the realms were necessarily singularly divided
plush moon
it would make more sense for vault (more power diamonds)
undone steppe
The abuse of Eden's light seems to be a majority of the problem
low seal
moreso bases of operations were established in areas to give the up hill advantage
undone steppe
Wasteland houses the vailt
low seal
yea the vault's reality as whole is questionable lmao
undone steppe
The vault only really goes up and doesn't cover much land
plush moon
i think that eden tried to unite the realms by creating a source of power that evaded the points of conflict
undone steppe
It's like the Vatican is a country within italy
plush moon
it's an actually place - isle showed us a tower
it was in the temple murals
wait nm
low seal
im saying the vault itself isnt as vast as wasteland or isle because it is a building
plush moon
ik i was talking about...
yea the vault's reality as whole is questionable lmao
@low seal
then i think u mean like the creatures?
undone steppe
Perhaps wasteland protected the vault as it was the only entrance to Eden.
low seal
plush moon
NOOOO
undone steppe
Eden's light would be a power source for the rest of the realm
plush moon
ye like a unifying force then it killed everyone
low seal
eden was corrupted by the power diamond
plush moon
unified in death
low seal
hence tying everything into a pretty neat bow on the objective of the war
undone steppe
War is always about power
plush moon
i think the vault is a virtual reality
low seal
but i do disagree, vinde, on the objectivity of "lower" realms being isle, forest, praire
plush moon
so i guess it kinda fits...?
low seal
in the sense i read as you were referring
i dont think the order of the realms necessarily dictates their power
plush moon
but i recall that compared to valley, wasteland, and vault forest makes less use of technology
there's no sprawling architecture
it reminds me of skilled labor with quality over quantity
riiip i have to go
so i do think that isle - prairie - forest make sense
celest spoke
Forest has those big walls/gates tho, and we don’t know what else might’ve been in the fallen bridge area— and Forest temple is one of the most complex things we see other than the broken version in Wasteland
plush moon
(haven't seen as many buildings as valley...)
I can talk a bit longer
Valley is more impressive altogether
Forest temple only has one diamond press
Wasteland has one we can see with other factories in the distance
Plus the ship we see transported a ton of diamond press parts
vague plover
Maybe like there was some sort of thing where one of the groups knew that the power source was bad and tried to fight they're way to eden to stop them but were to late? Hmmm wow the lore is very good I can't wait to learn more honestly
celest spoke
There is that very factory-looking thing off to the distant left of Wasteland’s landing area
plush moon
Forest is limited by available land but many raw resources
desert sun
@celest spoke wasteland is believed to be a mass production area of power diamonds
celest spoke
Should we consider Forest temple to be more of a historical site (diamond press invented there but no longer a major production source at the same time as Wasteland), or specialized R&D lab?
plush moon
Ye like skilled labor over industrial labor
vague plover
I dont want to interrupt the discussion my apologies👉👈 but I found something that caught my attention in the shipwreck area in the wasteland. Mind if I send it? I'm trying to figure out what it is and what it was used for
celest spoke
Go for it
plush moon
Sure
vague plover
plush moon
Oh those things
vague plover
Yea!!!
celest spoke
Broken krill horn is general consensus
peak frigate
Is diamond press like crystals ?
vague plover
Ohh, yeah that makes sense, poor krill😔
celest spoke
Diamond press is Forest Aunt’s ceiling fan; functionality shown on temple door: butterfly jars combined with something from trees and compressed into spiffy new power diamond
plush moon
Idk the power diamonds still look like they're made out of stone
Jay sent me this and it just says raw material
vague plover
Woah that's so cool!!
celest spoke
It’s also a giant version of its own activator disc and Prairie’s elevator, which was prb also butterfly-powered
peak frigate
Oh ok that explain why they stocked butterflies
plush moon
? It makes more sense if they used candles to activate it
Butterflies were used for their light
celest spoke
Butterfly call spirit is outside elevator door, which in turn shows butterfly lighting up toward yellow diamonds
low seal
hua im back
plush moon
I don't remember :))
low seal
u can probably find it w a quick google search or in pins
plush moon
Ye I don't remember what that spirit does..
low seal
@vague plover the krill horns are supposedly from a "megakrill" i believe ill have to scour thru pins again
but i do believe that what dictates the sophistication of technology isn't necessarily the material its made from but its function
plush moon
U sound like an mla essay aka my English teacher
low seal
the forest and vault are extremely technologically advanced going off that perspective bc wasteland and eden are the only realms that have metal structures
(,: i try, im a wannabe english major turned medical specilization
low seal
oh yea w/o out a doubt
i think in terms of the technological sophistication of each realm its ranked more
vault
wasteland
forest
valley
prairie
isle
eden would top all of them if it wasnt in the state of disrepair that is in the current timeline
as eden was more geared to contain the darkstone power crystal
low seal
my after thought supports ur current thought
im talking more in terms of the current state of the realms
talking past state as we assume them to be itd be
eden
vault
wasteland
forest
valley
prairie
isle
plush moon
This is something I forced myself to notice a week ago ;v;
low seal
haha yea i explore eden a lot just bc im rlly comfortable there but sound actually helps a lot with discerning where you are and what you're walking on
you hear metallic sounds in: eden, wasteland, and vault but noticeably not forest or prairie i believe
plush moon
Can u explain where we are when inside that area with the frozen kids
low seal
the storm?
plush moon
Why so many statues
low seal
presumably the previous generation who harbored the crystal's remains after it rapidly absorbed/destroyed ur light
but in the storm, you can take notice of a lot more building esque structures
low seal
before you enter zone 2, or while youre in zone 2, theres this giant entrance looking thing thats either made into the side of the rock or was thrown into it
OH
those are shrines
theyre the beta version of the statues u give ur lights to
plush moon
Geh
low seal
i think they were more left as design/homage to beta
- recharge bc u light them for to recharge if u get hit
if they had more of a purpose other than functionality, i feel like theyd have further significance in how you beat eden aside from recharging light and being from beta
plush moon
So u think it's more like a game mechanic
low seal
yea
plush moon
Idk why Eden would put these shrines all over the place
low seal
in my honest opinion
plush moon
Except for the symbology of home
low seal
but i could also be totally wrong
i truly think theyre a homage to beta?
but other than that, its a design choice
the only real lore significance i can think of is honoring the megabird who gave the elders their power
vague plover
@low seal mega..krill?😳 sounds delightful! Do you know where about in the pins I might be able to find it?
plush moon
Do u have an opinion on the cape constellation
vague plover
Okay thank you!!
low seal
OH
i think its megabird
the capes are designed after megabird, which grant the ability of flight w light energy because. Bird
vague plover
I wonder why we see the same symbol in the village area in prairie? Or I think it is?
plush moon
Oh that's part of like a scrapped concept
vague plover
Ohh!!! Okay!
low seal
im runnin around sky like a doofus trying to find all the places we're talking about lmao
plush moon
Run faster
vague plover
😔🙏 godspeed
low seal
OKAY SO
vague plover
yes?? :oo
low seal
my brain is poopin out thought
so
megabird
manta
same design?
manta summon in praire
the stars correlating w the shrines u light in prairie main area light the certain spots on the constellation in the centre
prairie is the original shrine to megabird
vague plover
ooOOO!!!
low seal
hence why you need to fly to get to the top shrine instead of building a bridge like you do in forest
plush moon
Y'know I tried to count the stars in the cape design to see if they lined up with winged lights somehow I lost count like 3 times
plush moon
the stars correlating w the shrines u light in prairie main area light the certain spots on the constellation in the centre
@low seal r u talking about that disk? Isn't that a scrapped concept. Originally it was like a quest
low seal
probably but the design is in three different places
plush moon
Ye that's scrapped I learned that with Deakstop
low seal
the quest is to light the shrines, go from that plat for the top to the elder
i think ;;
i poppin around there rn
lmao nvm folks
im just an Idiot
its Literally A Manta Constellation Design
pack up go home the braincell officially is dead
vague plover
Kwkekkfkskrkr ur not an idiot!🥺
low seal
i need to get to that one area at the end of vault lofi was talking ab
low seal
bc ik which one ur talking ab
i just need visual bc my brain cannot picture things well
vague plover
Oo!!!
plush moon
Just take pictures of things that seem vaguely relevant :'D
plush moon
Except for the Eden door :I
low seal
eden elder cracked bc he Dead Dead
vague plover
😔🙏rip
plush moon
There's 6 for 6 places
low seal
yes!
only five elders bc the eden elder took a massive L
an L so massive he never could come back even in spirit form
WSIT
plush moon
Nani: isle 1, prarie 2, forest 3, valley 4...
low seal
what if he cant come back bc the crystal,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
vague plover
I kinda wonder what the eden elder would've looked like? I think they had a crown right?
low seal
wait 6 elders im booboo the fool
he was supposedly the king i think according to that theory
thats why ur friendship constellation is a crown
vague plover
Oh!!
plush moon
hes da dead
plush moon
Why do u think they used a star as a symbol for the back pieces
It even has a special floor
low seal
probably like how the elders all carry something
vague plover
Especially in the social area in the forest, like that cosmetic peice is was up there
low seal
i dont know if it's necessarily symbolic as much as it is design choice bc not all wearables are instruments (chair, bonfire, staff)
^ as well as the pendants for the seasons
vague plover
True
low seal
yems and he becomes the eden elder/dark king theory
plush moon
Rippo
low seal
is it isle when u first enter u can watch the intro in?
i always skip it bc im just there for wl and wax 😔
low seal
oh bet
off topic but im so close to the vault elder hair and i want it so bad
im watching the cutscene rn
plush moon
So is the vault elder male or female
plush moon
looks at forest elder
low seal
i dont think they necessarily conform to binary
as much as they are just coded a certain way
a lot of elderly male characters have long hair
low seal
im probably projecting as a gender queer/non binary individual but i dont think gender or sex is really a construct within the society of sky
there is no binary to conform to so they just vibe and look cool All The Time
plush moon
Maybe.....
But it's kinda easy to tell whose male and female but anywayssss
What do u think of the vault mantas
low seal
love them
plush moon
Why are they there?
low seal
i think they contribute a lot to the theory of vault being a dream/not a true place in reality continuum
plush moon
They're cool lookin
vague plover
Yea!! I wonder like when we start to dream/project the memories, do you think it's as soon as we get through the wasteland elder cutscene?
plush moon
Why does the vault mural show the diamond lanterns projecting them
Yea!! I wonder like when we start to dream/project the memories, do you think it's as soon as we get through the wasteland elder cutscene?
@vague plover if u see the concept map wasteland and vault arent connected. I think it's more like a transition
low seal
hh can u show a picture if u have it
plush moon
;-;
low seal
vault is in the wasteland
its in the realm description
but with the idea of vault being conceptual, rather than objective
the connection is more cerebral than literal
plush moon
its in the realm description
@low seal .-. where
low seal
hh hold on
plush moon
Why havent I heard of it
low seal
i missed it bc i was typing
Golden Wasteland
"Beyond the barren wastes, the Vault of Knowledge awaits."
plush moon
Golden Wasteland
"Beyond the barren wastes, the Vault of Knowledge awaits."
@low seal I thought of it as literally after wasteland is vault
low seal
vault wouldnt technically be a separate realm altogether, from the way a vault is literally described (as in the definition)
a vault is a container within a place
vague plover
Hm... so if the vault is like a dreamscape/memory type of thing how do we end up at the social area after the vault??? Is it like we ascend to that area while having those memories?
sick path
I have something that might help make sense
vague plover
Okay!!
low seal
its a continuation down a hall from the last area after the battlefield in wasteland
👁👁 sab bestowth
sick path
When you finish Eden, as you fly up to orbit, look behind you next time
You will see that Vault is actually obliterated
plush moon
sick path
So the story that it’s a dreamscape could be that you’re exploring Vault as it would be
vague plover
OHHHHH
plush moon
Vault is totally enclosed
low seal
the vault as we know it conforms to definition two
sick path
Not as it actually is
plush moon
You will see that Vault is actually obliterated
@sick path isn't that the floating roof of eden
It had the pillar thing??
sick path
I don’t have a better photo, but it’s all the statues at the top if vault
sick path
When the sky whale crashes into the pillar, look to your left
You’ll see al the statues there
low seal
also have we talked about how the thing that the forest elder has is also in the second area of wasteland
sick path
Yeah, that’s the one!
plush moon
But there's no proof that those statues belong to vault not eden
low seal
just disassembled
low seal
can we establish how far eden extends bc thats something ive never been sure about
from beginning point to when you go to orbit? is that all of eden?
plush moon
I think this is after u enter then we go up and see the statues
We r in the Eden temple
sick path
Could they not be the same thing? Just existing on two seperate plains? Past and present?
low seal
bc assuming vault was more of an actual, concrete place before perhaps it was optimized by the elder spirits as a form on congregation of the second generation of sky kid's gathering of the power diamonds?? these are remains of vault/eden temple
plush moon
Plus vault is a solified place the isle mural shows it alongside the others it's just a cylinder
low seal
the vault's sequence (be it augmented reality) does have to have some semblance of actualization to move the player from beginning area to the point where you enter the social area of eden
plush moon
Could they not be the same thing? Just existing on two seperate plains? Past and present?
@sick path there's no proof that these are different times. We just travel by distance
Plus we can see Eden from every other realm
low seal
except vault ^
sick path
Plus we can see Eden from every other realm
@plush moon Every realm except vault?
plush moon
Ye
low seal
bc vault is an enclosed area
plush moon
Especially why u leave the social area of each realm and go towards it
low seal
u cant see outside and u cant see in
plush moon
It's a tin can
bc assuming vault was more of an actual, concrete place before perhaps it was optimized by the elder spirits as a form on congregation of the second generation of sky kid's gathering of the power diamonds?? these are remains of vault/eden temple
@low seal can u clarify
Gathering power diamonds?
low seal
the diamonds u get from each elder
they presumably go to vault bc while vault is augmented reality, the vault elder is very much real
plush moon
the diamonds u get from each elder
@low seal :P?
low seal
i dont think vault, from the beginning of its creation, is entirely conception
concept has place in objectivity
plush moon
U sound like an essayy
low seal
the little blue lights u get from each that open the doors?????
plush moon
That's better..suffer
low seal
😔 ple ase
plush moon
Honestly I forgot
low seal
so ANYWAYS
plush moon
:'D
plush moon
raises hand
low seal
the whole idea of a dream is its a jumble of information your brain has gathered over time
whether it make sense or not, is up to interpertation
if vault is a dream sequence/virtual reality-esque, there has to be something it was based on prior
low seal
yes!!!!
i was about to reference
in forest and isle, the little crystals you light active moving platforms (in the puzzle area to the right of isle temple and the forest temple w the moving platforms) hence the elevators
the call function of butterflys, riding manta in prairie, and the (fish?) call in forest
vague plover
Indeed for me I feel as it is more like a dejavu (I don't know how to spell oops) like we go in and we remember how it was. (For me) it's a building but it also builds on the memories passed down from the history and information gathered. It's like going into ruins and feeling a dejavu but in this case its visual?? Kwkrkfkkekr
vague plover
YAYY!!!
low seal
none of the functions of vault were inherently new
they were things we've done in the other realms
opening multiple player doors, lighting crystals to unlock the next area, chasing spirits through more path like areas
thats why theres no darkness in the vault aside from the crabs in the labyrinth but ill get back to that
vague plover
Yes!!!
low seal
the darkness is conception but it has reference in objectivity
which is why its called the vault of knowledge, its a modpodge of all the story elements and mechanics from the other realms
vague plover
Also the labyrinth really intrigues me the most about the vault.. was the some sort of seasonal spirit that was down there?
plush moon
the darkness is conception but it has reference in objectivity
@low seal .-.
plush moon
Tbh I think u guys are describing game mechanics
low seal
exactly
plush moon
So what?
low seal
vault is the bow ontop of the cohesive whole
vague plover
If we're able to find it I kinda want to see what their job was/or something they did down there. It seems like such a vital part to some sort of theory but I cant place my finger on it?? Or maybe it's just my curiosity is just 👁👁
plush moon
So what????
low seal
if the vault was the bring together level, eden would have all the mechanics utilized that vault does
but it doesnt bc eden is decimated
plush moon
I think u are finding symbolism in game mechanics
It doesn't have significance story wise
low seal
its more the consummation of what vault is as a dream sequence
dreams take information from reality and apply them
you know how to run in your dreams bc youve seen running/ran
the same in vault
plush moon
opening multiple player doors, lighting crystals to unlock the next area, chasing spirits through more path like areas
@low seal it can just be another realm which uses the same tricks we have seen like other realms
low seal
dude ur gracing over my point
plush moon
We all do this anyways but it seems different bc of the surrounding
plush moon
But u r concluding the similarity is due to "dream logic"
low seal
but vault is a consummation of those mechanics
plush moon
While it can be game logic
plush moon
Ur main point is consistency when consistency is embedded in the game
I feel like u r taking that main idea and attaching it to a more specific one and calling that ur reasoning for why vault is like a dream
low seal
Indeed for me I feel as it is more like a dejavu (I don't know how to spell oops) like we go in and we remember how it was. (For me) it's a building but it also builds on the memories passed down from the history and information gathered. It's like going into ruins and feeling a dejavu but in this case its visual?? Kwkrkfkkekr
@vague plover
its bringing this point made by becan home by adding contextual examples
plush moon
When the sound conclusion is that vault is part of the game
plush moon
Eh I'm not
I just need to ask what's the significance of this deja vu
R u concluding that bc of this that vault is a dream
low seal
commonly in games, the "final" or resolute level is a consummation of a lot of what youve applied throughout
DISCORD PLEASE STOP BREAKING IM HAVING AN INTELLECTUAL CONVERSATION 😭😭😭😭
yes bc dreams have basis in reality with the information within them
the vault prior was a real place, or had some semblance of what it is now, but with the crystal and darkness, the elder had to make it like a dream sequence/augmented reality
DISCORD PLEASE STOP IM MAKING POINTS 😭😭😭
undone steppe
BECAUSE ITS BEEN BROKEN FOR A LONG TIME
That explains why the walls fade away
Why it's just bits and pieces of a broken temple
low seal
YES!!!
undone steppe
It's like frozen in time
vague plover
Ok.. so how I see it is..we physically go into the vault BUT I feel like maybe there is some sort of dejavu we experience (visually) leading way to most of what we see making up the vault, memories and experiences we've had getting there and shared by the natives of the land.
In other words the vault is in ruins but since it's like a dream state our minds are making up for what isnt there anunire.
vague plover
Oob time
vague plover
Indeed
low seal
this part brings my point home
undone steppe
I've recommended a voice channel for theorizers perhaps we can push for it so we could discuss in game
plush moon
Can I say my opinion maybe we can arrive at a consensus
vague plover
Yea!! I think we need that! But then again like idk if they would let us since it would probably need moderation so nothing gets to heated
undone steppe
Go for lofi
vague plover
Yee!! I wanna hear what you think on it! I'm kinda down to whatever since they leave it up for everyone to see it how they see it :D !!
The everyone sees it is vaild
plush moon
So basically I believe that vault's dream like feel is due to its creators (the scholars) and they used their holographic tech to build their own unique environments, completely different from the outside ones.
For example on a level we see a holographic tree which we can grow by lighting candles
And this shows them using the technology to create a hologram of an entirely new. creature
vague plover
Yea!!! That makes alot of sense :o !!
plush moon
It simulates the function of the real manta with its own call and light but it can be turned on and off . Be programmed
The diamond lanterns sort of act like pixels in a screen with their own projections
sick path
And then when we come back to the real world, we’re met with this room:
plush moon
Honestly I forgot how we got there
sick path
You meet the elders, and then just .... get here
I just did it
It’s different from the others cos there’s no “segway room”
plush moon
Oof
sick path
It does give that that feeling of coming out of a dream
plush moon
I do think that the vault isn't the dream
It's in the concept map and in the isle mural
I think the levels do exist but the way the map is arranged may imply that the scholars are superhuman in the sense they can also fly or levitate
Teleportation doesn't seem too far away
low seal
thats why im saying prior it had an actual structure
we're sayin virtually the same thing with one digression
plush moon
vague plover
Also I apologize If I've made your way of seeing the vault invalid, it definitely is valid! I believe and I'm pretty sure they said that it's up for interpretation. But know I really like your idea!!🥺 I love how there are so many different ways of seeing things waa!
low seal
i think the vault had actual like, structure but the diamond had way in destruction so the vault was more formulated into a dream sequence
plush moon
Also I apologize If I've made your way of seeing the vault invalid, it definitely is valid! I believe and I'm pretty sure they said that it's up for interpretation. But know I really like your idea!!🥺 I love how there are so many different ways of seeing things waa!
@vague plover wut u didn't offend me at all. U wholesome
Also I apologize If I've made your way of seeing the vault invalid, it definitely is valid! I believe and I'm pretty sure they said that it's up for interpretation. But know I really like your idea!!🥺 I love how there are so many different ways of seeing things waa!
@vague plover oh I think we can combine our theories
Maybe the inside of the vault is flexible and can be programmed
We are experiencing a specific program for this use of explaining the history of the civilization
Like they had prepared for it
low seal
yea
plush moon
So everything does exist but is like a dreamlike, virtual, manipulated reality
vague plover
Oh okay! Just wanted to make sure you knew you were being heard :D and yes!!!
low seal
i think thats agreeable actually and a huge compromise of our ideas lofi
plush moon
And the doors on the side allow us to peer into their lives
low seal
yes!!!!
plush moon
Once with graves and the other with a study
vague plover
Yes!!👏👏
low seal
i like that it makes sense
plush moon
So it makes sense! The vault is like its own machine with parts coming apart and coming together in different ways
Its contents transform to show the different facets of the knowledge the vault has to offer
rocky delta
Guys
low seal
yes!!
vague plover
Yes? :o
rocky delta
Why does one type of water damage me and other type of water doesn't
low seal
pollution
rocky delta
low seal
pollution from darkness
the same can go for forest, itd more like an offset from the wasteland bc of the darkness but i think forest rain actually has a canon explanation? im not sure tho
plush moon
XD i assumed that the pollution come from the remains of mega mantas
low seal
oh fax
plush moon
Like every creature contains both light and dark
That explains the pipes in wasteland
They are disposing of this by-product
And some of it evaporated and drifted over to forest where it rained
vague plover
Yea!!!
plush moon
Then again the rain stops when u light the candles of the manta shrine ?
Like the last tower
Maybe it's the revenge of the manta XD
And they're leading u to free the trapped mantas in the temple
vague plover
AKKEKFKEKKRJ yes! Haha!
low seal
yea 0:!
plush moon
Ooh like the rain is technically part of the manta right
Maybe it contains a part of their soul
And like sounds have their own spirits right
Maybe it's like that
vague plover
I think it's like you said before everything has a dark/light side. Maybe the mantas cast out the dark in them to make the children of light come and let em go
vague plover
Hmm...
plush moon
XD
low seal
mantas good
they're light creatures
the whole dark/light side thing would explain why they aren't completely absorbed by the plants in the forest but still spotted by krill in wasteland 0:
vague plover
Yea!!
rocky delta
i see
vague plover
The sky children are purely light tho right?
plush moon
We have blue souls that's kinda a dark color
And we emit blue light when we use a wing
Winged lights also have a blue color
vague plover
Hmm
low seal
that would make sense bc the wing lights are reminiscent of past sky kids
plush moon
Hmm I have a theory on winged lights
vague plover
So we are kinda in the middle of the scale I suppose?
low seal
no we're the next generation from the previous the followed the elders
no wait frick
nvm
ignore that
vague plover
Also.. so the natives that used to live in sky, they would probably be also light/and dark? Maybe that's why there was corruption.
low seal
in a sense, yes
i think the corruption also comes from the darkstones
kinda like allegorical for fossil fuels being seen as a good thing but are actually terrible
undone steppe
Was just in the forest and I notice that in the crying emote memories, someone who was dying was becoming corrupt by one of the dark plants
undone steppe
Darkness is a byproduct of expending too much light
plush moon
Rip I gtg
undone steppe
Everything has light. From the kids to the mantas, to the birds nd the butterflies
vague plover
Bye dude!!🥺I had fun discussing stuff with you!!
vague plover
Indeed!
undone steppe
But also, noticed the hidden forest has a secret area with what looks like a war room.
vague plover
If you have ss send them please! I don't think I know about this place
If you dont have ss do you know where I can find the room? :o
undone steppe
low seal
OH
undone steppe
LOOK ABOVE THE MANTLE
low seal
hm i see where u could get thst from
undone steppe
that's the symbol again
plush moon
I survived
low seal
hewwo
plush moon
Btw those colors remind me of the team colors in valley
vague plover
Wb!!!
plush moon
Gray and gold??
low seal
oh fax 0:
vague plover
Oh right!
plush moon
I can stay for a bit longer
plush moon
Ok bye
undone steppe
<3
low seal
WHYYY
undone steppe
I'm the squaaaad
vague plover
Bye!!🥺
vague plover
Yea!
low seal
as for war room,,
i just saw it as a dining table lol
the little clearing is like a sanctuary
undone steppe
I guess, but it's so regal imho
low seal
fax i see it what u mean
undone steppe
I feel like it was important considering the eden symbol
It's on the table cloth aswell
vague plover
Yea!! Maybe it was used for something in the past before that family used it
vague plover
That's true!
undone steppe
Maybe it's the hidden part f the hidden forest
vague plover
Maybe it was a secret base regarding that war theory?? I think that is what you were stating. Like a council would be up there round table style
craggy nexus
Isn't the only other big table like that in vault? Maybe they have similaities
low seal
i feel like if it was that thered be more evidence throughout forest
vague plover
True!!
low seal
of that being the case
undone steppe
like if your team was
- Boat faring people of the isle with caves for homes
- Praire butterfly catchers living on some floating rocks
- Forest people who like to cut down trees and cry
- A bunch of mountain yuppies with a perchance for academia and arena ( I'm dubbing "Academarenia" )
Against the forces of Knowledge, Magic, the Industrialization of heaven itself
Wouldn't you like to protect one of the last forested hideout in existance.
vague plover
Tbh I'd probably be some sort of waste land sir! I like the the sands and vastness
Ok I'm trying to think, do the diamond Crest symbol is representative of the forest people right?
undone steppe
No way
It's on Eden, It's on the vaultavator, Its even on skykid's
This has to be THE LIGHT
undone steppe
So why did they know about THE LIGHT so far from eden.
Well maybe they were fighting to free eden???
vague plover
Ok before we keep going, how do you preseveive the theory? Like about the maybe war and such? I wanna make sure I understand you :o
undone steppe
So we know a few things.
undone steppe
Everything used to be within the kingdom of light. The Elders, which are like Demigods.They split the clouds and formed the material world. They brought about spirits which were able to use the natural resources to form pollution by sucking the light from things to power their machines. They eventually weaponize'd the source of light ( Eden ) and began to tap into it's power. This angered the spirits and elder's who lived in peace with the world. ( Forest, Valley, Isle, and Praire )
plush moon
Diamonds in general represent light but the diamond in between the two horizontal Vs I think symbolize forest
sly kestrel
Diamond symbols all vary and a lot of them have different meanings
Also
The people on the ground were always there before the elders fell
undone steppe
The peace treaty decided to free Eden from the clutches of the Wasteland and Vault but ultimately failled to the superweapon krills which left unchecked stole light from most others until the collaspe and death of soceity
I feel like the elders fell for the people, like how Sarumon was corrupted in LoTR
sly kestrel
Maybe
Maybe the reason why they fell is bc they wanted to go to the “human” world and thrive there
And I’m calling em humans bc I literally don’t kno what their race was called
vague plover
Ooo okay! I get it! :o thank you for explaining it because I wanna make sure we are on the right page so less confusion!
Oooo!
sly kestrel
I was jus guessing earlier but tbh THIS ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE
undone steppe
That's what I've Been trying to tell you
sly kestrel
?
undone steppe
sly kestrel
Wdym
plush moon
Free Eden from the clutches of wasteland and vault?
undone steppe
I'm jsut being a brat
sly kestrel
U didn’t....tell me anything
sly kestrel
That's what I've Been trying to tell you
@undone steppe
U haven’t told me anything....idk what ur talking about
I was talking to myself earlier
About my view on the elders falling
plush moon
Oof a disadvantage of discord
If I recall from the intro @sly kestrel "but darkness blinds, so I sent them away" may suggest that it was against their wishes to go there
After all their light was infinite with the stars united
undone steppe
Hmmmm
It's intereesting how every elder has a constellation
They have a place in the stars
sly kestrel
@plush moon That’s an old version of the intro
Really old
So it’s not much relevant anymore
The new intro says “but darkness came and the stars fell”
undone steppe
Jay do you work for TGC or something?
plush moon
@sly kestrel ok that makes more sense
Jay do you work for TGC or something?
@undone steppe no he just has a special relationship with the devs
sly kestrel
I may be a professional liar...
But when it comes to lore discussion, I’m a totally different person
undone steppe
So.... where did the darkness come from?
sly kestrel
Darkness was a natural part of the world
There are ways to spread this darkness and make even more
But in the beginning of everything, darkness always existed as well as light
blazing terrace
Are the skykids able to sense how many wing flaps they have? Seeing as they themselves can’t see the bar at the top of the screen?
vague plover
Well, maybe not at first? But after awhile it would know that it can only flap x amount of times before it runs out of energy and glides/parachutes to the ground. @blazing terrace
blazing terrace
Hmm, ok that makes sense
XD
sly kestrel
I think
It’s a more of a game mechanic
But.....I guess they know how many flaps they have
icy pewter
I imagine it works the same way as you knowing how long you can run
vague plover
Yeah its more of a game mechanic :D but you know I'm sure they'd know somehow haha!
icy pewter
Collecting light is just skykids working out 
vague plover
Yea!!
desert sun
the door in isle of dawn is extremely similar to this door in eden
narrow siren
desert sun
at least the top of it
hushed steeple
I saw the intro to the beta game
““In darkness, lays a kingdom covered in clouds where, from ages long past, dwelt the spirits of light.” Back then, light and dark lived in harmony, but as time went by, a kingdom prospered that had fallen. ““The prophecy promised its children would return to restore the light.”“For those were the days of the winged travelers...”
That is so cool
desert sun
yea, the crack is similar though
hushed steeple
I want it
celest spoke
odd thought about Vault, in terms of Prairie’s butterfly elevator as a butterfly compressor on the way to Forest’s diamond press— what if Vault’s elevator is, I dunno, somehow compressing/prepping us to be fed to Eden? (is Isle’s side-area butterfly elevator related?)
narrow siren
How in the sky world are whales creatures of light if I lose some buffs when I bump into them
sly kestrel
We all lose wedges if we bump into something at full force
Like a wall
Jus bc it makes us lose our light
Doesn’t mean it’s a dark wall
sly kestrel
I think it’s more of a neutral creature
Not dark and not light
desert sun
thats exactly what i think!
sly kestrel
It can ascend to orbit and isn’t hostile
Also it’s appearance doesn’t resemble a light creature
But
They don’t seem like a dark creature either
sly kestrel
No idea what u said
desert sun
yea thats what im saying
i think its semi dark in some aspect, which is why its able to damage us
im not sure if its corrupted or naturally like that tho
ive been damaged like, half of the time i go to eden
narrow siren
Yup lost like 3 wedges when I bumped into it
desert sun
really my only problem with the semi dark thing is its ability to go to orbit, unless you dont need to be 100% light to ascend
sly kestrel
Ur running in the street for no reason and zooming car jus WACKS YOU bc u got in the way of it’s path
Is it the car’s fault for hitting u and damaging u? Or is it prolly ur fault bc u got close to it
desert sun
im not saying its hostilee im analyzing its ability to damage you in the first place
sly kestrel
The whale has the force to break open the building up in front of you and if ur in the way of that and it hurts you, that doesn’t necessarily mean it’s evil and a dark creature
Ok look at this this way
There’s a good guy with a sword, ur some kid that decided to poke the sword and now ur hurt and bleeding
Does this make the good guy evil.....NO
desert sun
im not making him out to be evil eitherrr im just saying i just dont believe that a creature of light --in where every other creature of light feeds you light-- is able to take away and damage your light
i just believe that the face of a whale has some resemblance of a dark creature 
and its probably responsible for damaging a character
sly kestrel
I don’t think it’s the creature damaging u
I think it’s u damaging urself by ramming in front of the creature
But u did make me realize something tho
All creatures seem to be made of this pure light or pure darkness, they seem to be made of light or their body IS light. They can recharge as well as take light away. But whales....have a more physical body. Their body seems to be one made of flesh and bone. No dark force, no light force
Simply....flesh and bone
Heyyy I jus discovered a whale fact
desert sun
yes ! that is interesting
they have more design and stuff on their bodies and everything
sly kestrel
But anyways, imma call these creatures......neutral creatures. The ones made of flesh and bone
And my other guess is that the creatures at the graveyard are also neutral creatures
desert sun
so if we are to believe the megabird theory, then should we assume that megabird created neutral creatures as well?
narrow siren
What does the megabird look like?
desert sun
also jay, i noticed that the dark plants that grow on the whale bones in forest dont have light trapped in them
What does the megabird look like?
@narrow siren we dont know for sure
we have a lead
gimme a sec
narrow siren
Well there’s some wax if you go there after someone already burnt the plants
sly kestrel
The light and dark seem to have no bones, krill don’t have bones, mantas don’t have bones, butterflies seem to be made of light and butterflies are also made of light....with no bones or natural flesh
So I’ve come to another conclusion
Creatures with flesh and bone are the “neutral” creatures while light and dark creatures have no bones or flesh
sly kestrel
Those aren’t manta bones
Mantas don’t even have bones
Yes a manta comes out of the body
But jus think about it for a moment
Compare the bone body
To the manta body
Do mantas have ribs? Do mantas have skulls like that?
desert sun
then.. why does it summon a manta? would the devs do that?
one heck of a misdirection
sly kestrel
I guess we’ll wait till ash comes back
Or if we are lucky
Maybe reika will visit 👀
desert sun
we should do a dance to summon them 
desert sun
also jay, wasnt it confirmed that bones are left behind when creatures die of unnatural causes?
sly kestrel
Have a lot of questions for em actually
I try to get as small as I can so I can add up to a lore statement that’s BIG
No it was a concept but IT MAKES SENSE
desert sun
a concept 
sly kestrel
All creatures ascend to orbit, and lots of concepts explain creature migration
If something stops them from their migration to orbit....don’t u think their body will be left behind
And that was actually one of my questions I was gonna ask em
desert sun
quite sad tbh
but it does make sense
jay next time you see the mods make sure you ask them what in the world cosmic animals are
sly kestrel
Ima make a tiny doc on what questions to ask devies
I won’t get too detailed and discriptive, I’ll jus ask tiny lil questions that will eventually add up
sly kestrel
Cuz if u ask em straight up about the whole story of sky they will jus look at you like
😐
desert sun
lmao i bet, a cryptic never reveals their secrets
plush moon
Maybe u can share the doc and ppl can see and write their theories
sly kestrel
Hey lofiiii
Did u see my breakthroughs earlierrr
plush moon
No?
wide root
This is suspicious