lore-discussion-spoilers

[pseudo leaf]

Hmm I always saw the Elders as the civilization that occurred before us and the spirits their memories. I almost saw stars falling as children of light or maybe how Elders developments their technology.

[plush moon]

because it doesn't make sense for me for the elders to leave "heaven" as the forms we see them as - i would think that they would be blank slates...but then again the scene showed them being connected to constellations so they didn't fell to earth necessarily they joined it

the spirits as their memories are possible...but the scene shows them falling then the civilization growing

[pseudo leaf]

Oh, hmm I almost saw it as opposite but I’m still trying to work it out.

[plush moon]

i wonder what the world was before the elders showed up

and why certain spirits become part of the constellation - maybe to depict the theme of each area thru its individual aspects - that's literally what a constellation of many stars does

[pseudo leaf]

The elders to me are gone we only see in cutscenes and Eden. The constellation and Eden in a way represents heaven or afterlife.

[inland narwhal]

I think they worshipped stars and when they saw it fell with curiosity they followed. Only to find that they are powerful source and voyage across the clouds and built them shrine and developing each realm.

[pseudo leaf]

We are reborn but Elders are not.

@inland narwhal I agree

[plush moon]

OH so they collected the stars in places where the temples would be built

do you think this is before or after the elders came and what is the distinction between "a fallen star", "an elder", and a "winged light'. they look so similar...maybe to signify that they come from a common source

[pseudo leaf]

A fallen star is a source of energy

I almost wonder how stars and children of light and wings are all interconnected

[inland narwhal]

I posted my theory on winged light before. But someone shot at it, saying they were footprints.

[pseudo leaf]

Elders to me were previous civilization that built temples used stars but misuse lead to destruction of their civilization

The temples were built by Elders

[inland narwhal]

Those lights they are carrying resembles a lot like the fallen stars they talk about in intro.

[zealous summit]

B O A T S

[plush moon]

yea...and it's confirmed that the fallen stars are elders...

i wonder why some stars fall...maybe that's their version of dying?

[zealous summit]

I just came here to say Boats. I’ll bring so real lore tomorrow. Peace

[plush moon]

so when were power diamonds developed then? how are these boats flying? powered by the stars right then how come wasteland didn't use stars...(too rare then - then why do stars fall)

[inland narwhal]

We see boat making in pairie. They might have developed something by then. It takes time to build a civilisation in one area. And with growing population they move to new place.

[plush moon]

i wonder how a power diamond would compare to a fallen star

[inland narwhal]

The power diamonds could be battery.

I don’t think it was their reason for fall.

[plush moon]

have we seen anything that resembles a fallen star?

i still think it's strange how they could simply carry a star...

[inland narwhal]

Or else why would there be power diamond in vault to light up and see the elder and in forest end the diamonds are required lit up to open gate.

[plush moon]

maybe the winged lights are the stardust left behind by the falling stars - they seem to leave trails

[inland narwhal]

Also the diamond shape means light.

[plush moon]

Or else why would there be power diamond in vault to light up and see the elder and in forest end the diamonds are required lit up to open gate.
@inland narwhal and so the fallen stars are self-regulating..

we have a diamond shape on our forehead...

[inland narwhal]

And in chest too

[sly kestrel]

the fallen stars are the elders, and power diamonds are man made by in world materials. Even tho power diamonds are called artificial stars, I don’t think they relate to the actual stars in any way.

[plush moon]

we're talking about these kinds of stars

they seem to be gathering the stars as power sources

[pseudo leaf]

Technically referring something as a fallen star has a double meaning. It can also mean falling from grace.

[plush moon]

i have no idea where they put them .-. maybe contained them into early power diamonds

Technically referring something as a fallen star has a double meaning. It can also mean falling from grace.
@pseudo leaf COUGH hey that connects to the opening scene...i'm not sure how this connects to this instance...

[sly kestrel]

Ok ok ok it may have a double meaning but if u guys are referring to the fallen stars in the intro, it’s the 6 elders. A devy made sure of that too

[plush moon]

yes i know...

but these are different - u see them in the same place not across realms so i doubt they are the same fallen stars

[inland narwhal]

To me it seems like travelling with it not gathering. The ones they gathered seem a bit different than the one we see at isle and intro.

[plush moon]

wow thanks for these

[inland narwhal]

Wait they do seem similar while falling.

😂

[plush moon]

what are those vertical lines i'm confused

[pseudo leaf]

@sly kestrel yes but there is some confusion because we are discussing two different things. The Elders are the falling stars but are also harnessing light from falling stars? I’m not sure if I’m following what you mean.

[plush moon]

what they r holding looks suspiciously like umbrellas .-.

[sly kestrel]

OOOOOHHHHHH

Ok u guys confused me for a moment

And lofti have u played during the season of lightseekers?

[plush moon]

:) I joined last week

[sly kestrel]

oh

[pseudo leaf]

@inland narwhal cool picture from ark I think? Could the boats have been used to transport?

[sly kestrel]

If I explained the umbrellas and stuff then, u wouldn’t understand 😔

[plush moon]

;-;

I can try

I need to eat dinner first tho cya

[pseudo leaf]

It could also be a tool though not a umbrella

[inland narwhal]

@pseudo leaf I’m resending this ark theory

[sly kestrel]

My theory sort of revolves around that

[pseudo leaf]

Oh thanks I have played a few months but just found this group.

[desert sun]

everyone seems to forget about that one mural inside the ark 😔

[pseudo leaf]

Which one?

[inland narwhal]

Which one?

[pearl void]

It's the same as the isle mural

Praying to the stars

[plush moon]

If I explained the umbrellas and stuff then, u wouldn’t understand 😔
@sly kestrel hit me up

The forgotten ark is so interesting, but I wonder if light was depleting...why couldn't their light be replenished with the light creatures? They are still around when we visit... @inland narwhal

[frigid merlin]

About the forgotten ark, are we replenishing it to its former glory?

Because if u have done the second light quest from this current season then you should’ve seen that ||the toxic water of the ark is turned into crystal clear waters||

[plush moon]

I think that's a stretch....I don't understand why we would need to restore it. Maybe the ark is a spirit of its own and then we can unlock his history like we do with spirits and their memories

However it was only the water surrounding the seasonal spirit guide thing that changed....so I ask again what's the point @frigid merlin

[merry hemlock]

well, i would say we could just be restoring the ship, but ||the whole sky changes|| too

[humble barn]

I think it's a kind of terraforming rather than restoration. Maybe we are doing what the Ark spirits failed to do. They might have lost their colored light when the storm hit the Ark (im not sure about this because the upside-down Ark in the mural still has the light in it), and anyway they didn't have enough colored light to do terraforming (as suggested in the shrug spirit's cutscene).

[merry hemlock]

i wonder if itll stay like how it was left after the season

[humble barn]

i think everybody does

[spring blaze]

yeah bc ppl who hasnt seen the cutscenes yet dont have the altered stuff

[heady sinew]

Tomorrow we'll get more insight

[spring blaze]

2 more hours..,.,.,.,

[heady sinew]

Yeah,,,

[sly kestrel]

Wait what

What’s happening tomorrow?

[sinful lantern]

new quest from the ark spirit

you know the collect ____ light quests

[desert sun]

im feeling... green

[sly kestrel]

Oooooooh new light

Well beta is different than live so ig we’ll wait and see what it is

[vapid bolt]

@frigid merlin yeah i think so our goal is to chase the Darkness away of the Land to see how it was before and i think that its so Amazing to do that

[inland narwhal]

Does anyone have lore on manta?

[humble barn]

try channel search😉 manta in: lore-discussion-spoilers

[fiery dagger]

I found one thing that doesn't fit the theory of krills being mantas and chasing light hoping to turn back: in the wasteland, after the 1st room with a krill you can go straight on or to the right. If you take the one in front of you, there is an area with 4 krills. Near its exit there stands a child of light (a winged light). Krills spot it, but they do not attack (and we know they attacked people from the spirit with black cape). Any ideas why is that?

[pearl void]

Oh I've been wondering and observing this too, and if i stand close to the wing light child, the krill also didn't attack me, i always do this at the first krill area

How the krill got this name btw? The official name is dark dragon

[inland narwhal]

1. So the bones in vault are of cosmic mantas?
2. Mantas are light creature how are they not affected by rain. Is it because they have hydrophobic body.
3. I came across one where it said the cosmic mantas were species created after an experiment. So, would they be affected by rain?

[hollow stream]

Lul I didn’t notice the krill in the background until now

Btw that’s in ark^^

[pearl void]

Yeah she's not hungry tho, just chilling there

[pearl void]

1. So the bones in vault are of cosmic mantas?
2. Mantas are light creature how are they not affected by rain. Is it because they have hydrophobic body.
3. I came across one where it said the cosmic mantas were species created after an experiment. So, would they be affected by rain?
   @inland narwhal maybe manta do hurt under the rain, they just chillin under the entrance door, and occasionally fly to you, maybe to recharge or just save you from losing light, i got one manta follow me a long distance before flying off, it made me so happy lol

Btw if anyone got the tallest height pls dm me

[inland narwhal]

@pearl void don’t know about tallest but I’m taller than most

[pearl void]

@inland narwhal you know which height are you? On the scale

[inland narwhal]

I would happy to let you know once I figure out how

Or you saying to guess

Could be 9.

[pearl void]

There's height measure on pin at #questions-and-help

[inland narwhal]

I see thanks

[pearl void]

You mean height? Hard to tell from the pic. You should follow the instruction at the pin

[inland narwhal]

Okay

@pearl void 6. Turns out I’m not tallest. But I haven’t came across any that is taller.

[mellow sable]

look at these oars!

they're ginormous!

and that seems to be the slot?

or the "connector"

[drifting copper]

really big oars

decided to record it so people can look back on it

[spring blaze]

ye

[flat flint]

That's supposed to be the Vault's summit isnt it?

Which feeds into the theory that when we go through Vault it's a memory of some sort, rather than a physical place

[spring blaze]

yeah

even the devs themselves are like “yeah vaults pretty interesting”

thats pretty much one of the most accepted theories here

[humble barn]

In the vault, if we skip the cutscenes and look down below, we can see the cosmic mantas and cosmic whales disappear when the elevator moves to the next floor. Especially, the cosmic whale disappear in an elaborate manner.
I think this supports the theory that they are not real creatures but are virtual projections.

sry it's not about the vault summit but I happened to be writing this post

[flat flint]

Wait, I agree, but elaborate manner? It just fades out :p

[humble barn]

compared to how the cosmic mantas disappear😂

[flat flint]

Oh I see it haha yes, it is elaborate that way

[vapid bolt]

I know its not the topic of the conversation but Can someone tell me where i am ? And whats behind the door ?

[spring blaze]

not quite the right place to ask but thats the entrance to the secret area that is.. the office

[flat flint]

It's not really a lore place

[spring blaze]

you’ll need someone witha beta or founder’s cape to be able to enter the gate and access the portal to the office

[vapid bolt]

@spring blaze sorry guys im kinda New here so im still learning how to use discord haha but thanks anyway 🥺😆

[spring blaze]

that’s alright!

[vapid bolt]

@spring blaze i see thank you 💙

[chilly jewel]

has anyone ventured the mountains at the forgotten ark where the krill is? is there anything special?

[spring blaze]

aside from krill no probably

[cobalt palm]

@vapid bolt
Douzen asked

can skykids travel outside the world of sky?
And Reika (one of the TGC staff) replied
douzen thats gonna be a spoiler so i can't say

[humble barn]

I found nothing special but you'll get hit by krill

[vapid bolt]

@chilly jewel i tried to go there but still havent found nothing for the moment i thought that if there was the krill searching around something must be suspicious 🥺

[chilly jewel]

@chilly jewel i tried to go there but still havent found nothing for the moment i thought that if there was the krill searching around something must be suspicious 🥺
was thinking of that too, kind of cute that its chilling there though

[humble barn]

I thought Reika was suggesting Home is outside the world of sky

it's still my headcanon

[spring blaze]

i thought they were adding a new world til i realize its just office space and iss

[cobalt palm]

@plush moon on your question about lightseekers, the seasonal spirits wore floppy hats and had umbrellas, similar to those depicted in the Ark's murals, also in the murals they are chasing balls of light, so literally seeking the light through what could be a forest (vertical lines being trees)
https://sky-children-of-the-light.fandom.com/wiki/Season_of_Lightseekers

[pearl void]

Have you guys noticed this?
@hushed steeple if you track back earlier before that vault summit statue, you'll noticed the pointy structure, the one leading to the prairie too

[spring blaze]

lightseekers also introduced us to the light catching quests

[cobalt palm]

@humble barn@spring blaze, that's how I read it anyway, though she could also mean homespace.

[spring blaze]

i heard rumours you were able to tp to ppl at iss thru homespace.. but its false

[cobalt palm]

That would have been an innovative way to break into ||office||

[wintry island]

Hey guys, sorry this is from previous discussion but how do u find the height scale? Not sure if I got tallest or not

[spring blaze]

its pinned in #questions-and-help

[wintry island]

Tysm

[humble barn]

A random theory on the Child of Light:
A long time has passed. Now, I call to you.
Wake up, child. Bring our lost stars home.
The king/prince was the Child of Light, a dear child of the narrator/Megabird.
Maybe because he swallowed multiple souls while he was ruling the kingdom of Sky, or maybe because his soul somehow shattered into pieces, multiple ungrown clones of him wake up, one by one.
So skykids are the Children of Light, clones of the original Child of Light.

[vapid bolt]

I Wonder what happenned to the realm of light before we came Like its so interesting we are collecting light from spirit so intriguing 🥺💙

[sly kestrel]

Reika did say it’s a person we have a relationship with....we also happen to look exactly the same as the child of light

[humble barn]

yeah and our friend constellation is a crown

[full egret]

!travelingspirits

[pastel brook]

The next Traveling Spirit is scheduled to arrive on May 14 at 00:00 Pacific Time (UTC -7:00)
You can read how Traveling Spirits work here: http://bit.ly/TravelingSpirits

[humble barn]

I think a clone theory explains those well, but the downside is, there's no proof

[lilac stone]

@humble barn it isn't a crown?

It's an anchor

[spring blaze]

its a crown

in eden you see the friend constellation and there’s a crown sketch/drawing/art thing behind it

[mellow sable]

it's a crown yeah

the friend crown

[lilac stone]

Where?

[spring blaze]

check the constellations while in eden

[lilac stone]

Can someone send me a photo?

[humble barn]

(from vault cutscene)

[spring blaze]

i think they meant the drawing in orbit

[humble barn]

oh sorry I don't have that

but we can see the drawing at home

[spring blaze]

ye

[humble barn]

just need to turn the brightness up

[sturdy gate]

Yes. I believe it’s on YouTube

[hushed steeple]

I was always curious about what game the valley elders play in their cutscene... is it cricket? Basketball 2?

[cobalt lintel]

I think it’s their own game

Also I’m abt to go on a bit of a tangent I’m sorry

I was thinking about the Elders, right? And I suddenly had a thought that kind of made me wanna draw Vault and GW Elder together

If we think abt it, the GW Spirits memories all show some sort of a crisis happening, and this can be tied back to the initial corruption of GW

And I’m gonna assume that GW Elder and their spirit army, that is probable bc look at play dead spirit

All “died” either during the initial corruption of GW, of while fighting off the corruption trying to protect vault

This theory only makes a modicum of sense if you subscribe to the idea that GW and Vault were the last realms standing

And in the GW Elder’s cutscene, they’re still fighting, and they’re still trying so so hard to get back up, but why?

What if the GW Elder was still trying to protect the Vault, orrrr

The Vault Elder?

Idk I just want the elders to interact outside of their cutscenes and uh, this sort of felt like a sweet last stand type story

Feel free to shoot this theory down though

Yah it was

[novel kettle]

wasteland and vault elder sitting in a tree

i see what you did there

[willow pumice]

Is this the dark stone and Is this ark a dark stone technology?

[wind root]

seems like it

[modern grail]

Is it really the same Ark from the old timeline?

[wind root]

I think its the same technology that is used here

[willow pumice]

Are you sure the power inside of this diamonds doesn’t come from dark stones? Is power diamond completely differrent power source?

[pure root]

what if ||oreo|| was a krill in disguise? And hes trying to trick players into summoning him and riding on him so he can steal our light?

[modern grail]

Highly unlikely, but cute headcanon nonetheless

[heady sequoia]

late but
K I S S I N G
@novel kettle

[novel kettle]

yes

ty

[heady sequoia]

Cri

[novel kettle]

akjdjwjs i wanna draw them together now-

[hollow pier]

I can't be bothered reading two days of messages, usually I could but not today. Did I miss any new theories or confirmations?

[heady sequoia]

So UH

Tatatatattatatatatatattatatatatataaaaaa
Vault is a simple memory of something gone..........we see the actually summit during acension
Wasteland was corrupted by the sea
Valley wasnt that touched-
Forest rain is problably from wasteland
Prarie is safe
Isle wasnt even touched at all

Tgc said they created the realms like life
Isle is the babyhood, peaceful, nothing much-
Prarie is child stage, getting smarter
Forest is when the trouble starts, not that bad
Valley is life going downhill
Wasteland: the problems, stress, work
Vault: not sure
Eden DEATH

[hollow pier]

I've heard of all of those

[heady sequoia]

Idk what vault is? You are so old you get delusional?

[hollow pier]

Just because we see the top of vault during the ascent doesn't mean it's a memory

[heady sequoia]

then why it be so un corrupted

[hollow pier]

Wasteland is representitive of midlife and midlife crises

So Vault would be representitive of Wisdom with Age

[heady sequoia]

And wat about the end of vault-
After the cutscene

[hollow pier]

I have a solid theory about that

[heady sequoia]

Eden: STILL DEATH

BABIES!

EEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeEEEEE

[hollow pier]

Vault is exists interdimensionally, like how the elder cutscenes exist outside of time and space but still interact and effect this world Vault is the technological example of this. The Eden section of Vault doesn't match the Wasteland section of Vault simply because they're different places and both entrances to Vault

[heady sequoia]

About the solid theory-

Oooooooooooooooooh

Confusing

[hollow pier]

At least levels 3-6 exist interdimensionally

In my theory

[heady sequoia]

Hmm

W O W

[hollow pier]

I like this theory because it's ingenuitive and new but I'm still sticking with my headcanon haha

[heady sequoia]

I STICK WITH
@hushed steeple

Kwak

Ur headcanon be noice

One time i tried making the hidden forest contraption work.....IMAGINE IF PLAYERS FOCUSED AND LIT ALL THE THINGYS

Maybe if i ubered a group of people

And we got the machine to work-

[vast nova]

Hello ' ^ '

I'm new in this discord group

Thank you ^^

[hollow pier]

@vast nova

[vast nova]

:0

<3

Sorry I might repeat this context

I mean you mightve discussed this

I was wondering what's your lore about the idea of why the children of light are kind of destined to idk the term but kind of sacrifice themselves for the fallen

[hollow pier]

We here can answer your lore questions, or give you our theories anyways. In the pins you will find valuable information, like concept art (probably not canon), cutscenes for reviewing, some canon lore, our theories, things like that

[fiery dagger]

There is that cutscene at the very beginning of the game, that's probably the reason for you being brought to life

Wake up, bring our lost children home (or sth like that)

[vast nova]

Are the lost children the same as them though?

[plush moon]

Maybe the lost children are the fragmented bodies of the child of light

[hollow pier]

Wow good question right off the bat, we're not sure why we have to sacrifice ourselves. In an old version of beta we could save the statues without dying, but that's long since removed (and not dying and dying did the same thing) I think us dying at the end of the game is a way of telling us it was inevitable to fail and die, that it's all part of the cycle of life in Sky

[vast nova]

Sorry I have a lot of questions since the storyline does have a plot but its not much kind of clear to others that much 😓

[fiery dagger]

I had a theory that we as a player were created like krills

[vast nova]

Same

[plush moon]

I don't think the krills are man made. Most of the tech we've seen doesn't really come close to what krills are

[vast nova]

Like the idea of "Behind every light lurks the shadow living among them" kinda thing

[plush moon]

Oh so like yin and yang

[fiery dagger]

Lofti Then why do they sound so mechanical?

[vast nova]

I mean krills are lowkey scary but lowkey lookin like lobsters ngl

[plush moon]

True...

But I don't really know of places where they could make krill

[vast nova]

I also have like idk a random theory about the entirety of the lore of sky like the entire theme isn't mainly about being selfless but also like a renaissance kind of stuff

[plush moon]

like that's their roar?

[fiery dagger]

I first took it as the bones hitting each other

[plush moon]

like for power diamonds we have places and a process of how they were made...for krill they seem to resemble creatures more than machines...

for example we haven't seen AI creatures being built other than in the vault, where it's established that its a virtual reality of holograms....

[fiery dagger]

Yeah, but think about entering the fist part of the eden after the storm

After you open the door, a krill flies by

And it's not his natural route

[plush moon]

krills like the gather where there are darkness...

i will be hesitant to attribute that because that was a cutscene how do you know that the devs just wanted to scare you? i mean establish the mood...

[fiery dagger]

I know, yet still this seems like some security system

[pearl void]

And I’m gonna assume that GW Elder and their spirit army, that is probable bc look at play dead spirit
@cobalt lintel Brilliant! You just gave me an idea. I never thought of it, but when you relate the spirits and the elder this way, i just have to find the relation between the spirits and the realm they were in, what is their story to the realm.

So i watched back all the GW spirits when we first encounter them, relive their life.

This guy seems to run away from something and eventually drop dead.

This person is running towards the building. His spirit shows that he duck from something, i hear like a creature's sound as he do the action. But i can't think of what creature it is, it doesn't sound like krill. Update: he duct from the crumbling building. Thanks Hage for pointing that out.

Alert stance emote. This man is in the broken machine room that we know was used to produce the power crystal. I think he is guarding the area, standing casually, which also implies that there is no krill at the room initially. Update: he is hiding from the krill, the camera pan to the krill for a second towards the end of the spirit journey. Thanks Hage for pointing that out.

This one is at the shipwreck. I like to think that he send off his men to look for rescue as the ship wreck and give a salute.

Cautious stance emote. This guy is hiding from something. At his scene, he is hiding from a red light, and we know what emit red light in the game, it is the krill! The sound is quite similar too.

This man is at the battlefield. After watching his scene, i come to understand that this is also the watch tower, the fortress, the last defense. This guy is a watch man, he climb up the watch tower and keep on eye to the surrounding. He seems to spot on something, turn his back and blow the horn on his back. His action struck me that whatever cosmetic that we get from the spirit, may imply something important to the clues that we are looking for.

To sum it up, i can definitely say that the GW elder is fighting some creatures, possibly the krill, they may not having a civil war. And the spirits story definitely relate or contribute to the function of the realm that they were at.

[vast nova]

Woah that's awesome!

[plush moon]

why are there different kinds of shields? and barricades

[cobalt lintel]

Woah! I’m happy that I was able to help you figure that out, that’s amazing!

[plush moon]

barricades are quite useless for krill and they are at places without crabs..

I know, yet still this seems like some security system
@fiery dagger there's a theory that krills are corrupted manta who want revenge/return to being regular mantas.

The Two Shields Theory
@hushed steeple then i assume we're thinking about the same thing?

.-.

[vast nova]

Sorry to ask this out of the blue but how did things go down in the first place?

[plush moon]

wasteland started destroying their forest (see tree stumps) and began mass industrialization > used large mantas to make power diamonds (see skeletons) > created controversy (see light shields vs diamond shields) > forest allied with the light faction (disagreement - no big mantas) > king allied with gw > war/rebellion > diamond wins > clean up - krill used in battle (harnessed krills not created krills) > difficult task - the war torn region began to be overrun with krills > gw elder realizes his mistake > symbolically allies with light faction > king continues production > krills continue to attack

this ain't a wall...

[hollow pier]

Alert stance emote. This man is in the broken machine room that we know was used to produce the power crystal. I think he is guarding the area, standing casually, which also implies that there is no krill at the room initially.

[plush moon]

i think

[vast nova]

Yeah and how did the darkness existed

[hollow pier]

also part of this spirit is a moment where the camera pans to the krill

it seems like the alert stance is hiding from the krill

every time we see the spirit memory they're hiding

[cobalt lintel]

Shinners want me to explain a bit in DMs so that we don’t clog up the chat?

[vast nova]

Sure ^^

[plush moon]

nice

[pearl void]

also part of this spirit is a moment where the camera pans to the krill
@hollow pier oh i didn't notice the last part the camera, i have to watch that again.

[plush moon]

i still don't know what's the king's motivation is to create a huge power diamond...and if it relates to the war and killing krill

[hollow pier]

The scared emote: doesn't seem to be creature roaring only the sound of the building collapsing https://drive.google.com/file/d/12ZtNssqbkwGsUMsg1LG5OP4lqnk1jL0u/view?usp=sharing

[humble barn]

maybe he wanted an infinite battery

[plush moon]

maybe he realized the shortfalling of the current process (krill) and tried to create a big power diamond so that they don't have to create anymore (its own light source no more killing mantas)

so what are the differences between our theories?

[cobalt lintel]

What if the krill and crabs were meant to be helpers and bc they couldn’t be sustained, grew dark and began to devour all the light that they could?

[pearl void]

it seems like the alert stance is hiding from the krill
@hollow pier i have to watch several videos and finally get it. You're right about this. He is hiding from the krill.

[plush moon]

yea the crabs would help by letting us eat them

[pearl void]

The scared emote: doesn't seem to be creature roaring only the sound of the building collapsing https://drive.google.com/file/d/12ZtNssqbkwGsUMsg1LG5OP4lqnk1jL0u/view?usp=sharing
@hollow pier ahhh so that's what it is, i change my text a bit.

[cobalt lintel]

What if the krill and crabs were meant to be helpers and bc they couldn’t be sustained, grew dark and began to devour all the light that they could?
And that’s why the krill look so emaciated compared to the concepts

[plush moon]

What if the krill and crabs were meant to be helpers and bc they couldn’t be sustained, grew dark and began to devour all the light that they could?
@cobalt lintel what would be uncorrupted krill?

[cobalt lintel]

Hmm

An uncorrupted Krill would def be a whole lot less angery and not scream so much

[plush moon]

So, in planning the creation of power diamond, there's two factions fighting over, those who agrees with using creatures as light source (could be the diamond faction. And those who didn't(Sunburst).

Then, they found out about these elemental orbs, and the Diamonds wanted it to be examined so they can use these instead. And so, they loaded them in a big boat, hoping the Vault scholars will analyze them.

However,as we've known, this boat disappeared, nowhere to be seen. So the Diamonds have no choice but to use the light creatures, which infuriates the Sunburst faction.

Which led to war between them. Then eden exploded.
@hushed steeple oh u mentioned something i forgot about...maybe we combine both of ours

[cobalt lintel]

Hh I never thought of adding the Enchantment Spirits to my theories

Two cheebs become- an even shorter cheeb

The controls for that must be weird

[hollow pier]

I personally VERY strongly believe uncorrupted krill is this thing because in a livestream we're told that each level of Vault reflects the other levels of Sky, and this creature appears on the Wasteland level of sky; and the ONLY reason this creature would be on the wasteland level is if it were related to wasteland in someway. Thus I believe this creature is an uncorrupted krill!

The alternative theory is that somehow the giant ribcage seen here and in the graveyard is supposed to fit inside this cosmic whale, which I really don't agree with this theory

Because: We see the dead remains of spirits and the tuna king/whale/light dragon and in both of these examples their remains fit inside the living creature

[plush moon]

tbh i was confused bc i was convinced that mantas can't have skeletons

yea now i agree

[hollow pier]

I also don't believe that this creature is a manta, but that's less important (because the head is too pointed and the wings don't match the big to little pattern mantas have)

[plush moon]

not even evolved manta?

[hollow pier]

I don't think creatures of sky grow for two reasons: the elders were always elders and never anything else (canon, doesn't necessarily mean they didn't grow up/bigger? I don't remember exactly what was said in that live stream) and because when we ring the bell towers in praire we summon those big manta into existence from light, so they go from light>big manta (canon)

[plush moon]

remember some manta has like double flaps maybe this thing is like that but loooonger

i assumed that the bells just wake them up or summon them

[hollow pier]

Neither of these things exclude the possibility that manta and other creatures of light can grow, but to me it seems to imply that they don't grow

[plush moon]

where they come from is that light sphere probably...

[hollow pier]

*they're not canonically called elder mantas

[cobalt lintel]

What if the cosmic mantas all look like that bc of the interdimensional vault theory and used to look like normal mantas?

[hollow pier]

There's a single concept art that refers to them as "elders" along side pictures of mantas (that aren't even called mantas in this concept art)

[plush moon]

i agree with the evolution theory: in old age a light creature returns to the light sphere and is reborn like us as a higher level creature

[hollow pier]

This same concept art also has butterflies on it

[plush moon]

the one's who don't apply to this is elders and spirits since they seem to rely on external energy sources

[hollow pier]

by the same logic of using this concept art to say that they're elder mantas is to say that butterflies are baby mantas

[cobalt lintel]

So the cosmic mantas just might be really old?

[plush moon]

that is why i think we're are like a hybrid - literally and symbolically to bring light back to the earth

[hollow pier]

What if the cosmic mantas all look like that bc of the interdimensional vault theory and used to look like normal mantas?
@cobalt lintel I don't understand sorry

[plush moon]

i think it's like bird > butterfly > baby manta > manta > adult manta > elder manta > tuna king

[hollow pier]

The butterfly doesn't seem to be for scale, but for a scale of size progression, mantas of varying size are used for size reference directly beneath the elder creature however

[pearl void]

So, in planning the creation of power diamond, there's two factions fighting over, those who agrees with using creatures as light source (could be the diamond faction) . And those who didn't(Sunburst).

Then, they found out about these elemental orbs, and the Diamonds wanted it to be examined so they can use these instead. And so, they loaded them in a big boat, hoping the Vault scholars will analyze them.

However,as we've known, this boat disappeared, nowhere to be seen. So the Diamonds have no choice but to use the light creatures, which infuriates the Sunburst faction.

Which led to war between them. Then eden exploded.
@hushed steeple i really like the idea! But the timeline did not matched. They are transporting the element on the Ark that powered by power crystal, which suggest that the crystal come first, the discovery of the elements came later. So there's some mismatch.

[cobalt lintel]

There was a theory mentioned earlier that Vault was on an inter-dimensional plane, and because of neglect, the containers that we see on the shelves broke open and the information inside them sort of form the upper levels we play through

[plush moon]

so they're scrambled info?

[cobalt lintel]

So I was wondering, what if the mantas we see in Vault aren’t mantas at all but instead, are just imprints or memories

Kind of, yeah

[hollow pier]

By that theory we could say that the elder creature we see in the screenshot I posted isn't actually an elder creature but the information of several mantas shoved into one creature by way of information seepage

[plush moon]

.-.

[hollow pier]

Vault is krilling weird ok

[plush moon]

oh god nooooo

[cobalt lintel]

Yea it really is

[plush moon]

;-; this makes it harder nooo

[hollow pier]

Good theories are HARD because sometimes you can twist them upon themselves like that haha

[cobalt lintel]

I was just musing, it doesn’t have to make any impact on any of the current theories

[humble barn]

Putting elder (manta) concept or evolution theories aside, I still think the cosmic whales are smaller virtual projections of the creatures which left the bones in the wasteland graveyard.
Because there definitely are unidentified bones in the wasteland.

[plush moon]

why use a see page when they are individual vessels of info arranged like a library...

[humble barn]

oh sorry i meant cosmic whales *corrected

[plush moon]

if u see the murals don't they explicity contain mantas of the same species...

why combine them...

[cobalt lintel]

Putting elder (manta) concept or evolution theories aside, I still think the cosmic whales are smaller virtual projections of the creatures which left the bones in the wasteland graveyard.
Because there definitely are unidentified bones in the wasteland.
@humble barn Man, those creatures must be HUGE

[humble barn]

yeah

[plush moon]

it's not even a table of contents because unlike a table of contents it is divided into sections: pg 1, p2, but there's nothing like that in the manta it's one cohesive being...

[humble barn]

The wasteland mural in the vault cutscene also depicts huge ribs. Maybe those huge ones were ancient and long extinct?

[hollow pier]

I think the unidentified bones here and in wasteland are simply from creatures we haven't seen yet because they're extinct

[plush moon]

honestly i don't like using the vault reason (it's wierd ok) because it's impossible to argue against!

[desert sun]

i still think thats the manta bones

[hollow pier]

It's krilling weird, the use of the turtle skull, we see it above^^ and in wasteland but the ribs and spines of the creatures don't match

[humble barn]

yeah, i think that pic suggests the turtle-skull whale-ribs are of manta and something resemble manta

[desert sun]

didnt the mods say that it wasnt really a turtle skull, they just used it as reference

[hollow pier]

It doesn't suggest that! because there's no whale ribs in the above pic

[humble barn]

I meant turtle-skull

no it's manta icon and manta shows up when you press the button

[humble barn]

and yes i am ignoring the voice we get there

[plush moon]

it's just inspiration...

[hollow pier]

It's just all sorts of weird, we have two different skeletons with the same shaped skull

[pearl void]

So I was wondering, what if the mantas we see in Vault aren’t mantas at all but instead, are just imprints or memories
@cobalt lintel you are catching up fast, i like the way you think, maybe this can help you on the vault theory

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/705400144287498292

[hollow pier]

I also ignore the voice we collect there because I don't think the skeleton matches a manta

[cobalt lintel]

@cobalt lintel you are catching up fast, i like the way you think, maybe this can help you on the vault theory

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/705400144287498292
@King.#7185 thanks!

[humble barn]

we get a whale voice there

[desert sun]

the most needed answers are:
what is the connection between mantas and cosmic mantas
what are crabs

[hollow pier]

I thought we got a cosmic manta voice

[humble barn]

oh yes we do sry i got confused

[hollow pier]

@desert sun I still think no1 thing we should ask the devs next time they visit is if "but darkness blinds so I cast them away" is still canon

[desert sun]

honestly fair

[hollow pier]

Living manta call to get the cosmic manta call certainly seems to imply that it's manta bones

[plush moon]

that line is so messy - literally- figuratively---

[humble barn]

anyway I think the turtle-like skull is a manta skull and therefore the huge turtle-like skull in wasteland should resemble manta in a way

[hollow pier]

Vault y u so

[desert sun]

vault, lore wise, is the jalapeño in salad

i stole that joke

[plush moon]

so what' sthe difference between a cosmic manta and a manta manta

[pearl void]

I think the unidentified bones here and in wasteland are simply from creatures we haven't seen yet because they're extinct
@hollow pier set aside the evolution theory, this statement may held some truth

[cobalt lintel]

I like to explain vault’s wonkiness away by saying a lot of it’s corrupted data

[humble barn]

yeah I do agree that they're probably extinct

even the spirits and elders never saw the creatures alive

[plush moon]

I like to explain vault’s wonkiness by saying a lot of it’s corrupted data
@cobalt lintel i don't like that ;-; (how do u prove the vault is corrupted) (because the creatures look weird) (what if these are new creatures) (they are probably not - the vault is old and weird)

[cobalt lintel]

Oh, that would probably make sense

[desert sun]

because theres no murals

[pearl void]

I like to explain vault’s wonkiness away by saying a lot of it’s corrupted data
@cobalt lintel haha just wanna show you the canon stuff that the devs have said, and tryna relate that to your theory

[desert sun]

the archives in vault do contain forbidden knowledge, which is why theyre sealed away

[plush moon]

why then are the bones there at the wasteland but not everwhere else if they are basically the skeletons (fossils) of extinct creatures?

[desert sun]

probably the same reason why wasteland is a wasteland

[humble barn]

maybe it was an excavation site?

before the catastrophe

[cobalt lintel]

@cobalt lintel i don't like that ;-; (how do u prove the vault is corrupted) (because the creatures look weird) (what if these are new creatures) (they are probably not - the vault is old and weird)
@plush moon I didn’t mean like that, sorry for the misunderstanding, I meant that, maybe some parts of Vault were damaged during the corruption of GW and the formation of Eden

[humble barn]

like, the scholars excavated the bones and tried to make a hologram of extinct creature (like humans do) in vault

[plush moon]

probably the same reason why wasteland is a wasteland
@desert sun it used to be a forest....why couldn't it be in the hidden forest then

[marsh coral]

@hollow pier tbh i think its that one in the forest, that appears only one time and in ||Eden at the very end when u fly to the sky|| It also makes an appearance there... and well... i thought it wouldnt hurt me, but it did so yea... my opinion its likely the uncorrupted krill

[plush moon]

@plush moon I didn’t mean like that, sorry for the misunderstanding, I meant that, maybe some parts of Vault were damaged during the corruption of GW and the formation of Eden
@cobalt lintel yea i know u aren't the first person to say that ;-; i just found debates on this topic EXTREMELY slippery and it traumatizes me

[desert sun]

wasteland used to be a forest?

[marsh coral]

while the krill is the one consumed in the accid water in wasteland i guess?

[humble barn]

the bones in the graveyard look really really old, some of them are partially buried inside the rock

[pearl void]

I like to think that wasteland is a dumb site, with all the sanitary piping going on, the corpse are dumb there

[cobalt lintel]

@cobalt lintel yea i know u aren't the first person to say that ;-; i just found debates on this topic EXTREMELY slippery and it traumatizes me
@plush moon Oh, sorry for that then!

[plush moon]

naw it's fine i just need to brace myself

[desert sun]

@desert sun it used to be a forest....why couldn't it be in the hidden forest then
@plush moon where was this said 😳

[marsh coral]

well, wasteland used to be sth sth... sth kingdom ? or stuff and there was war so not sure how it was before. Can be related to the accid water that everything looks dead 👀

[plush moon]

wasteland used to be a forest?
@desert sun yes that's the theory i and one other person discovered - -there's tree stumps around the map and if u look at theworld map you will see that the forest and wasteland are near each other

[cobalt lintel]

the bones in the graveyard look really really old, some of them are partially buried inside the rock
@humble barn So, could GW and Vault be directly connected to each other bc they were research sites?

[humble barn]

they are next to each other

[plush moon]

why did they try to excavate them?

[hollow pier]

@humble barn I don't think the bones being buried in rock counts for much because all creatures of light and darkness that we know of can phase through solid rock, so they may have died while partway through rock

[desert sun]

theres a map?

[marsh coral]

@plush moon very likely, maybe cuz the civilization tried with technology? And thus all those accid waters and it led to the land how it is now

[plush moon]

what r u quoting me on

[marsh coral]

cuz above u mentioned wasteland = forest 👀

[plush moon]

oh yea like the wasteland removed its forest to build large scale factories and the cycle began with the pollution killing more of the environment

[marsh coral]

yep

there are also those pipes and wreckship

[humble barn]

I think there's no canon map of the world of Sky we have now, but we know by playing the game the vault is directly next to the wasteland

[desert sun]

vault and valley

[plush moon]

theres a map?
@desert sun i got the map from "emotional storytelling" u can see the pdf in the pinned messages - idk if there's another one https://twvideo01.ubm-us.net/o1/vault/gdc2019/presentations/Kong_Jennie_EvolvingEmotionalStorytelling.pdf

[flat flint]

@plush moon where are the tree stumps in gw?

[marsh coral]

tbh im very scared of the water at the night 😂 even at home, cuz whenever i change the ankle a bit, u cant see anything below in the ocean. And it sorta reminds of the water in wasteland

[plush moon]

i don't want to go back there...

[marsh coral]

cuz the water in wasteland is like not deep at all? And the krills just appear from there in battlefield

[flat flint]

i don't want to go back there...
@plush moon is that an answer to my question?

[humble barn]

@humble barn I don't think the bones being buried in rock counts for much because all creatures of light and darkness that we know of can phase through solid rock, so they may have died while partway through rock
@hollow pier I am still not sure if we should take that into consideration though, it can be due to a technical limitation

[plush moon]

someone else's pic

[marsh coral]

hm it sorta.... has a very similar vibe to atlantis.... in a way ? The stargate one 👀

[pearl void]

tbh im very scared of the water at the night 😂 even at home, cuz whenever i change the ankle a bit, u cant see anything below in the ocean. And it sorta reminds of the water in wasteland
@marsh coral change the ankle?

[flat flint]

Oh, in ark! I thought in the og gw

[marsh coral]

ehm change the camera view

[cobalt lintel]

@desert sun here’s the link to the world map https://imgur.com/a/BYQEWAA

[marsh coral]

like ur at home, go to the ocean when its night, do the play dead emote, and then change the camera a bit til u can see below the ocean

[pearl void]

I'm more interested why you scared of the water at night.. At your home haha

[marsh coral]

game home 👀

[pearl void]

Oh at the gane home dum dum lol

[marsh coral]

now i am interested why u thought i would do that in real life lol

but yea, generally im afraid of the ocean 👀

[pearl void]

@hollow pier I am still not sure if we should take that into consideration though, it can be due to a technical limitation
@humble barn i second this too

[desert sun]

@desert sun here’s the link to the world map https://imgur.com/a/BYQEWAA
@cobalt lintel thanks! are any of the maps still canon or are they more tomcepts

[plush moon]

And then it asks how power diamonds are made of light can phase thru stone..

[hollow pier]

[desert sun]

yeaa i say creatures phasing thru solid things is more of a technical thing than a actual thing

[plush moon]

They are prob meant to rise from the clouds

[humble barn]

I just realized mantas cannot stop, they keep flying all the time

[hollow pier]

I don't believe it's a technical limitation, we see krill emerging and entering rock/sand in the graveyard, swamp, and battlefield; and the praire manta clearly have a flight plan through the bell towers, they could have easily fixed this by now because I'm sure it's been suggested in feedback and bug reports lot that people get kidnapped in this manner

I could be wrong of course

[desert sun]

that is a good point

[plush moon]

Now that I remember whales can collide into stuff

[hollow pier]

So krill do this in three separate areas

[marsh coral]

oh yea the krill pre thing

[hollow pier]

the whale does it in eden

[marsh coral]

what does everyone call the eh... thing in the forest?

[desert sun]

the whale breaks stuff at least

[hollow pier]

and mantas even do it in both valley flying race and the ice rink

[marsh coral]

ah whale ?

[hollow pier]

I think they do it in the flying race...

[marsh coral]

🤔

[plush moon]

So they can phase thru stuff...though it can be said that their mechanics are flawed so it seems they phase everywhere

[desert sun]

i dont think theyre whale bones? they dont give you a whale call

i really want a whale call

[marsh coral]

actually... it hit me pretty hard in ||Eden||

[hollow pier]

In eden I'm fairly sure that the whale emerges from rock, but I could be wrong

the whale bones do give you the whale call! It's the fish voice

[desert sun]

it emerges from clouds

[marsh coral]

yea it emerges from clouds

[near ermine]

In the new season, once someone collects the cyan light and brings it back to the forgotten ark there is wind from the holes in the sky and it seems to try to make the player float up. Does anyone know why this might be?

[humble barn]

because cyan light is wind magic

you don't need to spoiler tag in-game matters here

[hollow pier]

Okay so I only have 5 examples of creatures phasing through solid objects not 6 then

[near ermine]

Thank you @humble barn

[desert sun]

add that to the list of questions to ask developers

[marsh coral]

oh ok

btw does anyone know if the eh tower that faces to the race in valley is on purpose ?

like the top is sorta bugged in a way?

like there are pieces missing of it, and its still sorta connected in a way ?

[desert sun]

ohh ik what u mean

[marsh coral]

Otherwise the maybe that its a virtual world seems to be likely true

[desert sun]

no its most likely on purpose

that weird floating thing in eden does it too remember

[marsh coral]

well... it is eden

sth sth space time thingy 😹

[desert sun]

this is a world where boats fly

[humble barn]

the one in citadel?

[plush moon]

and we don't have mouths

[desert sun]

i say its intentional

[marsh coral]

and likely need suncream cuz we look so burned

[desert sun]

im assuming the citadel one

[humble barn]

then I also think it's intentional

[desert sun]

why do it float? i dont have an answer

[plush moon]

that reminds me how in isle u get a vision of eden the top part of it is floating

[humble barn]

maybe the same reason why the golden thingy are afloat

[desert sun]

yeaa i think this channel has yet to discuss why half of eden is missing and floating 😳

[marsh coral]

maybe the leftover from the eh.... high technology ancient past?

[humble barn]

you know, citadel and the bird's nest are weird, things in the areas are afloat with no (apparent) power diamond attached to it, and our wing power is recharged spontaneously there

[desert sun]

i think the citadel wing charge is def caused by the spinny things

[pearl void]

Okay so I only have 5 examples of creatures phasing through solid objects not 6 then
@hollow pier It may also means that devs can't make every stone solid in crumbling building, all the debris to looks real, that's high tech almost like costly CGI movies

[desert sun]

birds nest ??????? no clue

[marsh coral]

i mean there was a big building with all those stairs

[plush moon]

yes but in the vision in isle some parts are floating...not even a 3d interactable model it's like a graphic or render

[desert sun]

thats the citadel @marsh coral

[marsh coral]

and maybe they discovered another dimension cough and it led krills to their place and thus war broke out

and likely why eden looks like that

@desert sun eden citadel ?

[plush moon]

what if it's connected to it be the elder's spiritual home?

[desert sun]

lofti that part if eden is always floating throughout the game

[pearl void]

you know, citadel and the bird's nest are weird, things in the areas are afloat with no (apparent) power diamond attached to it, and our wing power is recharged spontaneously there
@humble barn wing power spontaneous recharge i think due to the birds flying around, there're plenty there in those 2 areas

[desert sun]

even when you fly past it in eden

[humble barn]

it's not the vision Lofti, you can see also from other places that the top of Eden castle is detached and afloat

[plush moon]

lofti that part if eden is always floating throughout the game
@desert sun ik the vision also* shows it so i doubt it's a glitch

[desert sun]

@desert sun eden citadel ?
@marsh coral no no the place with the weird spinny things is the citadel

[marsh coral]

well, theres a sorta mechanism in that flying area in valley, not only the birds, but also those circle tech stuff

[desert sun]

lots of stairs

[marsh coral]

oh, but i meant eden the big building

[humble barn]

@humble barn wing power spontaneous recharge i think due to the birds flying around, there're plenty there in those 2 areas
@pearl void it recharges even when you are not near the creatures

[marsh coral]

about the part why there is no discussion about eden yet

[desert sun]

oh

im confused now

[marsh coral]

@pearl void it recharges even when you are not near the creatures
@humble barn maybe cuz of those circle mecha things, their movement generates wind and reflects the sun thus = energy? 🤔

generally its difficult not to float there.... or even going down to the ground there

[desert sun]

theres a word for those weird spinny things but i cant recall

[humble barn]

Shion you can try channel search: Eden in: lore-discussion-spoilers

[heady sequoia]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

[pearl void]

Anyone know what is behind the 4 player telekinesis door in vault?

[heady sequoia]

Idk but this be problably what a sky kid thinks

Cri

[humble barn]

@humble barn maybe cuz of those circle mecha things, their movement generates wind and reflects the sun thus = energy? 🤔
@marsh coral circle mecha thing is only in the citadel

[marsh coral]

i know 👀

u guys were talking about the citadel and why theres energy charge for the wings gauge

[humble barn]

we were talking about two areas

[desert sun]

ARMILLARY SPHERE

[humble barn]

^

[desert sun]

thats the name of the things in CITADEL**

[humble barn]

or orrery

[marsh coral]

@open perch i think theres a self moving one.... 👀

like those many metal balls

[desert sun]

arent they all self moving

[open perch]

You did the wrong @

[marsh coral]

ops sry

so many daes Dx

[desert sun]

it happens

[open perch]

Right , :”v when I thought my nickname was original

[desert sun]

i also thought so its ok Dae

[marsh coral]

nothing is original nowadays

hm cant find the self moving ones

the moving balls are called
Square Stainless Steel Retro Metal Ball Decoration Metal Stents

[desert sun]

wdym self moving

[pearl void]

The thing that share the similarity between in citadel and bird nest, that may recharge energy, i still think are the small birds

[marsh coral]

ive seen those as those ame sth sth

[marsh coral]

its likely the sun is being reflected by those metal eh circles

thus it leads to the charge of energy

i mean, there is a building somewhere when sunlight is reflected on it, it directs the light to somewhere else, and there are cases where ppl make eggs on their cars lol

in real world 👀

[humble barn]

if the light is reflected the energy is also reflected and cannot be used, that's why the solar panels are dark in color

[desert sun]

when youre actually inside of the big building in citadel your energy recharges naturally. however if you are chilling outside of the gate to the race, it wont recharge. so i believe it has to be the spheres

[marsh coral]

@desert sun

ok i did it

i found it

lol

just dont know what its called

[desert sun]

if it helps you can just try @ enraged

[marsh coral]

Electric Colorful Kinetic Orbital Perpetual Motion Swing Moving Ball

[desert sun]

NOOO

[marsh coral]

lol

is it allowed to post pic of an example related to the lore ?

🤔

[desert sun]

yes

[marsh coral]

it looks like this

aaaand its not showing up for me 👀

[desert sun]

me neither 😔

[marsh coral]

oh urs showed up above

[humble barn]

uploads are being lagged again

[marsh coral]

hm it says magnetic swing balls.... lmao

[desert sun]

shion the technically term for it is armillary sphere or orrery

[humble barn]

just wait a while it will show up

[marsh coral]

this looks better

oh and it works

[eternal valley]

valley elders have boat paddles as their signature item, and there's not much that suggests valley had any winter sports, which is... odd, considering the elders are very sporty
I'm thinking that the valley civilization had a much warmer climate, and that some of its monuments remain frozen over by ice and snow

[marsh coral]

oh ice would be nice idea for wishlist.... 👀

[humble barn]

cricket

valley had ice skating

[marsh coral]

oh yea

[humble barn]

valley lightseeker spirit was a skater

[eternal valley]

Yeah

[humble barn]

but I also think the valley was warmer before

[eternal valley]

That sort of throws a wrench into that theory, but I think spirits can be remnants of different times

[humble barn]

yeah

[eternal valley]

Also it could just be warm valley, but in winter

[desert sun]

it wouldnt be bad to assume that sky would have seasons, considering the world has both a sun and moon

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/703148935094730762

[desert sun]

which id like to point out is massive

[humble barn]

seasons result from the axial tilt of a planet so

[desert sun]

OOOO OMG

thats really cool!! that means sky is technically literally earth

[humble barn]

maybe

[lyric dawn]

Maybe Stonehenge are the portals we walk through in Sky at home

[hollow pier]

I think the tilt of the large armiliarry sphere could just be an easter egg

[desert sun]

how come?

[hollow pier]

Well earth doesn't have a megabird floating above it or krill or light based technology

I'm not saying that sky isn't based on earth just that the tilt of 23.5 degrees might be an easter egg

I'm a pragmatist

[desert sun]

i meann if we have a sun, a moon, and a sphere that represents the globe, blue skies...

[humble barn]

maybe the devs didn't want to make the world different from Earth yet not too different from Earth

yeah, that similarities i think are intentional

to avoid making Sky a hardcore scifi

[hollow pier]

It's worth pointing out that the orrery has three smaller spheres about it, earth only has one moon and sun

[hushed steeple]

We’ve been talking about this in our gc on tumblr, but what do you guys think the story behind Ark is?

[desert sun]

i have a whole section in my notes for what i think happened to the ark

do you want a dm?

[dull fox]

They were seeking to colonize a new land but were attacked by a dragon and the boat crashed so they tried to colonize the area they crashed instead

[desert sun]

or should i repost it here

[hushed steeple]

I think a repost here is fine 😄

[desert sun]

also @hollow pier an armillary sphere and orrery are different, i think that citadel is mire armillary

okay, lemme pull it out

So, ive been absent from the lore channel as to avoid season spoilers and in that time ive come up with my own thoughts abt what happened so please correct me im im wrong:

1. The pre-spirit citizens of sky prayed to the heavens/wherever and were blessed with enchantments which come in the form of different colored lights, much in the same way they received the elders after praying
2. After receiving the enchantments and messing around with them, they built an ark to transport them somewhere (presumably eden)
3. On the way there, they encountered a storm and crash landed into the place we see the ark at today
4. Lost and confused with nowhere to go they decided to set up camp there and even farmed mushrooms for sustenance (presumably this all took place before wasteland became the wasteland, allowing actual life to live there)
5. finally, they all died off (for one reason or another) after leaving old murals for anyone who might come across their forgotten ark.

So, ive been absent from the lore channel as to avoid season spoilers and in that time ive come up with my own thoughts abt what happened so please correct me im im wrong:

1. The pre-spirit citizens of sky prayed to the heavens/wherever and were blessed with enchantments which come in the form of different colored lights, much in the same way they received the elders after praying
2. After receiving the enchantments and messing around with them, they built an ark to transport them somewhere (presumably eden)
3. On the way there, they encountered a storm and crash landed into the place we see the ark at today
4. Lost and confused with nowhere to go they decided to set up camp there and even farmed mushrooms for sustenance (presumably this all took place before wasteland became the wasteland, allowing actual life to live there)
5. finally, they all died off (for one reason or another) after leaving old murals for anyone who might come across their forgotten ark.

i based it all purely off the murals

also worth noting, i believe the krill that is hovering over those mountains in the ark area is what's preventing them from trying to leave, kind of keeping them there

which is why there is a mural of a krill

[hushed steeple]

I completely agree with that part about the krill preventing them from leaving. I never really thought about what the lights could represent though

[desert sun]

what lights v

?*

[violet pagoda]

The seasonal lights that we catch every week

[pearl void]

Well this is my version of the ark interpretation

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/703654226332483654

[desert sun]

only problem i have with that is that elders are usually represented as circles with a dot in the middle, otherwise sounds solid !

[pearl void]

Can't think of other being, because that mural is exactly like the orbit

[plush moon]

@pearl void what do u think are those swirly lines in the sky?

[plush moon]

Mural 1 sort of resembles it but I can't see it for mural 2

[desert sun]

i assumed it meant the blessings (elements, lights, whatever they are) came from orbit instead of the people

because if you remember the first isle drawing, you can see the people praying and then the stars fall down (the elders)

you can see almost the exact same mural in ark, except instead of stars they get the elements

[plush moon]

So they were the original people megabird wanted to restore the light/civilization?

And then they failed and eventually died leading to our creation?

[desert sun]

who? the elders?

[hollow pier]

@desert sun so I call it an orrery because there’s more than one armillary sphere; it’s possible I suppose that all four armillary spheres could be models of the same planet measuring different things I suppose

[plush moon]

The people who received the blessings and built the ark what if they wanted to go to Eden that's why there was a darkness storm

Why do u think the orrery was there? @hollow pier in that specific realm

[hollow pier]

@plush moon that gives me an idea; I had previously thought that what the murals show is the ark doing it’s thing as a transport then the storm happens (the eden darkstone breaks creating the storm) but you’re right! They could have been transporting things into the storm, towards Eden!

I think the former theory is more likely, but that’s just my intuition talking

[plush moon]

It makes sense that we are like a second trial...megabird wanted to help them so why not earlier?

[wheat valley]

i like to think that the spirits are spirits and are still lingering in the realms in because they have unfinished business, and when we say goodbye to them, it is a promise that we will do what they did not, which is to go to orbit and see their respective elders.

[desert sun]

thats what i thought! they were headed towards eden and got caught in the storm, struck by lightning, and crahed

[plush moon]

They wanted to revitalize the civilization by going to the heartland and defeating the darkness with the blessings

[desert sun]

sounds good to me @wheat valley

[hollow pier]

Well orreries/armillary sphères on that scale could have only been constructed for two reasons, for either arts or research

[desert sun]

oo oo that reminds me of something!! i have to find it gimme a sec

[plush moon]

So we're these people studying megabird? Did the elders want to go back?

[wheat valley]

someone make a backstory for the child that we hug when we die in eden, i need to know more!

[hollow pier]

@plush moon that’s one explanation for the number of spheres: one for the planet, the others for the moon, sun, and megabird

[plush moon]

Ah @sly kestrel said that it's probably the child of light and the winged lights are its imprints

[wheat valley]

ooooooo

[hollow pier]

I also believe that the child we hug in eden is us meeting the child of light (who we canon know left behind imprints aka winged light) for the first time

[desert sun]

bam

[plush moon]

@plush moon that’s one explanation for the number of spheres: one for the planet, the others for the moon, sun, and megabird
@hollow pier that's so cool - maybe this place is dedicated to the king as his entertainment ---what if the king wanted to know more about the heavens so he could go back there and - that achievement was put in the valley of triumph because it was literally a triumph

[hollow pier]

Woah actually

The eden elder has never been to the megabird so, they probably would be EXTREMELY fascinated by the megabird

[plush moon]

Yes that explains the fascination with the stars which trace back to primitive times

[wheat valley]

do we “reach” the stars when in orbit

[plush moon]

I don't think so

[desert sun]

depends on what you think is a star

[plush moon]

The rescued children will leave behind candles and then ascend u can see them turn into stars

[desert sun]

currently there are 3 different definitions of stars running around lmao

[spark abyss]

Do any of you think that this game could be at all related to journey... I'm still addicted to it- qwq

[sturdy gate]

It definitely has some journey parts but it’s a different world

[pearl void]

Whoa the screenshoot that @desert sun shared about Reika statement on citadel is like validation to why i said that the wasteland is like dump site. I too think the valley that in general a rich and civilised city (citadel is part of it), hid behind an ugly truth, or literally underneath it as what reika said "goes all the way down.. Under the clouds where the lights don't reach are kind of like slum." well the wasteland is below valley, we fall down hard to the ground from the clouds after we pass through valley. If take her word literally, I'd say wasteland is the dark ugly truth from all the advancement of the city.

[sly kestrel]

We dunno if she was referring to wasteland specifically

[heady sinew]

citadel looks very expensive tho ngl

[pearl void]

We dunno if she was referring to wasteland specifically
@sly kestrel of course not, she don't want to spill the beans, but yeah only if taken her word literally, that could have make sense

[plush moon]

Whoa the screenshoot that @desert sun shared about Reika statement on citadel is like validation to why i said that the wasteland is like dump site. I too think the valley that in general a rich and civilised city (citadel is part of it), hid behind an ugly truth, or literally underneath it as what reika said "goes all the way down.. Under the clouds where the lights don't reach are kind of like slum." well the wasteland is below valley, we fall down hard to the ground from the clouds after we pass through valley. If take her word literally, I'd say wasteland is the dark ugly truth from all the advancement of the city.
@pearl void maybe the wasteland is like a "slum" city with factory workers and cheap labor (necessary for industrial expansion and construction). Reminds me of the gilded age

[minor adder]

this has probably been said before

but what if skykids are diamond-powered machines created by the spirits to save the fallen?

somewhat like wall-e

[sly kestrel]

Ur the first one to say this

[minor adder]

fr ?

i just think it’s interesting how they have limited flying power (like a rechargeable battery) and the forehead diamond is the biggest hint imo

also the glowing light circle on the stomach area and eyes

[desert sun]

forehead diamond :o ur right

interesting!

[plush moon]

I don't think so other than our light's color being different (we glow orange). If you noticed, power diamonds glow blue. Furthermore, if we are created by the ancestors why do we ascend at the end of the game with the other creatures. How are we reborn? Why in our simplest form we don't see a power diamond but something that resembles a winged light @minor adder

[mossy bay]

Sorry to switch topics a little bit but I’m a little confused about eden. What are the statues in eden? Are we saving our past selves from the storm, our past failed attempts? Do you believe the statues died all in one fell swoop or one by one? Were they also sent to sky but failed at the last hurdle?

I’d love to hear everyone’s interpretation of this part of eden

[pseudo leaf]

I wonder if statues are fallen sky kids who die giving up winged light. We are too but when someone gives them winged light they are then reborn.

[plush moon]

After Eden u seen these children turn into stars I doubt they are like us

[pseudo leaf]

If you think about it when we die in Eden we become a blue light just like the wings we give to statues @mossy bay

But we also see other sky kids flying with us

After we die

[mossy bay]

Ah I see. So when we die we turn into a statue just the same until someone comes along and give us a winged light like we have to the other statues?

[pseudo leaf]

They are also same size and shape of us. The spirits seem to be larger in my opinion. It’s just a thought though.

[mossy bay]

And we limp towards that gifted light in the final scene?

[pseudo leaf]

@mossy bay yes that was my impression I could be wrong though.

Are there any thoughts on the big fish or dragon or whatever it is we see in Forest, between Isle and Prairie and after we die in Eden?

[mossy bay]

I like you’re impression thank you for sharing

‘Mama tuna’ or ‘king tuna’?

[pseudo leaf]

Yes what is that thing?

[spring blaze]

its a whale

what does it do, we dont know

[sly kestrel]

Pretty sure we are different from the kids at eden

[pseudo leaf]

Oh okay it moves like a whale

[sly kestrel]

After all, we don’t turn into statues when we die. Plus they are bigger

[spring blaze]

it doesnt look like a whale but we and the devs refer it as such

[pseudo leaf]

Maybe we do become same color as statues and move slower and slower. It’s just a though though.

[plush moon]

it doesnt look like a whale but we and the devs refer it as such
@spring blaze it resembles more of a coelacanth but that doesn't roll off the tongue

[spring blaze]

yeah

we probably say whale because its a fat big fish

[sly kestrel]

And the name tuna king is a lil nickname from the devs

[spring blaze]

yep

[desert sun]

love em

[pseudo leaf]

Lol a friend thought it was a type of krill but I didn’t think so

[plush moon]

@sly kestrel what do u think is our relationship to the child of light

i watched another person lose all their stars and they wake up in the void with a winged light.

[sly kestrel]

Idk, she jus said we have a relationship with him

Or her

[plush moon]

if u die in eden u wake up in the same place but this time the "light" isn't shinying and the child of light is sitting down

i didn't say: do we have a relationship with them. i said what is our relationship (wait nm i read it wrong sorry :I )

i think that the winged lights as the imprint of the child light together form the essence of the child of light. i think that the child of light represents the entire star system. that is why when u return the winged lights to the eden children to go up to heaven (their bodies) (when they both have a form and a light)

but what distinguishes us that we don't return to the stars after we die we are reborn

in all other sense we are appear very similar

so I think that we are merely a second body of the child of light (or the star system) - they explains why we can contain stars and the stars we get eventually go to the sky (join the first body)

so we form an invisible cycle or bond, in which the first body helps regulate the second body (vice versa)

if the first body is of the heavens then we are of the earth

it is like when light creatures evolve they go to earth with fresh light and then leave in old age to the heavens with spent light. we go to earth without many wings to collect the fallen stars and we take them to the sky for them to fall again. when they fall their souls and physical forms separate, so their physical forms fall through the beam of light in eden (like rocks) - while their souls fall, scattered across the realms (like feathers)

maybe this cycle was a recent development. the opening vision showed the winged lights falling after the fall of the civilization so maybe megabird had to create this cycle in order to bestow light and help the civilization rest by knowing their history, freeing the spirits and the elders.

i dk how this ties into stars falling beforehand...maybe they were not dying stars but simply blessings of stars that megabird sent down to help the ancestors

[zealous summit]

Wow. That’s a lot of text

[brazen lantern]

oh wow

That explains a lot4

[stuck fjord]

@plush moonkinda like how gods need humans for worship and vice versa,ie the heavenly winged lights and the earthy us

So we sustain them through eden and in return are reborn?

[plush moon]

i think so we sustain the child of light (the stars) by restoring them and they sustain us by giving us wings. i think this is overall forms a part of the system of Light, hence Child or Children. i think the other part involves the light creatures @stuck fjord

[celest spoke]

Anyone think there might be some significance to the seasonal light colors/locations? Based on the preview pix and what we’ve seen in live so far, we may end up with two complementary color triads: red, blue, and green (primary colors of light); cyan, magenta, and yellow (primary colors of pigment). Red is Wasteland, blue is Valley, cyan is Prairie (or maybe technically Isle; it isn’t in the same area as Prairie’s seasonal candles)...? Do complementary color pairs (red/cyan, blue/yellow, green/magenta iirc) mark realms as “opposites” in some way?

[fiery condor]

Interesting

But sadly no yellow light, it’s probably the orange you’re referring to?

[hushed steeple]

There might be some correspondence, though I personally believe the lights simply match the realms, and the realms themselves could be opposites, hence the lights would be opposite. I don’t think that made any sense but uhm...

[fiery condor]

Have you noticed how isle and prairie’s seasonal spirits dressed up like compared to the other spirits? They both don’t have capes and their hairstyles are like villager style. Maybe this shows isle and prairie spirits are less privileged than other spirits? Notice when you look at the constellation, no capes to buy in isle but only one cape in prairie.

Makes me think that the capes are for chosen people or people with a high rank? Or at least something special in them that gave them that cape and gives it a distinct color

[wind bone]

@maiden glen hey can you upload those to something like drop box? I can see your personal info through google drive

[maiden glen]

Ooooh

Ok! I’ll look into it, sorry

[wind bone]

[tulip marsh]

Hmm

A game theory

🤔

[oak moth]

Light the matpat signal. xD

[wintry island]

Hey guys, I usually am not super active (although I read the chat I don’t talk much ;w;) but I was reading ur theories on the war in the wasteland and the light shield vs diamond shield. Wanted to clarify what side the Wasteland elder was on? Cuz I heard u guys say he was on the diamond side but I was recently at his temple and he has a light shield :/

[plush moon]

A theory: he changed sides after the war (took a shield from a light faction soldier) and used it in his battles against krill (the desolation his victory caused)

[fiery condor]

I’m thinking, what if the valley twins were not the first elder/s for the valley realm. Like how young they were among other elders. There’s no evidence of a past elder, but it’s just a thought q:

[plush moon]

I’m thinking, what if the valley twins were not the first elder/s for the valley realm. Like how young they were among other elders. There’s no evidence of a past elder, but it’s just a thought q:
@fiery condor i think that their appearance is more symbolic - they are young, (in their prime years), fitting in with the theme of their physical, technological, and intellectual triumph - tall, athletic, agile, brave, and clever

[fiery condor]

Mmm a point there

[blazing terrace]

(ok, so i'm new) the Forest Elder is the same height as them too? She could be just as young?

[plush moon]

i believe that she's the same height from screenshots - appears as young - her outfit is quite angular and uses straight lines (alluding to the power diamonds) - she seems dignified and regal - and the cutscene shows her as ambitious and proud (of her craft). she seems to fit with the reserved and aloof atmosphere of the forest with the towering trees and the muted cool colors @blazing terrace

[willow pumice]

Is this the Megabird?

[humble barn]

I believe so

[pearl void]

So i have some spare time, and make a real quick rewatch for vault spirits emote. Idk if anyone have done this, but I've been trying to relate the spirits life to the realm they are in. I've written about wasteland before here
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/706880541085139016

Vault have 5 spirit emotes. The first one is
Pray spirit behind the 4 player telekinesis door. He walks around from one stone to another which seems like tombstones and stop at the top of the ramp and pray. I like to think that these tombstones are the grave of the workers, who died during the vault construction.

Telekinesis spirit behind the 4 player lift up door. At the end of the scene, the spirit manage to lift up the vessel from the ground using telekinesis. This might suggest that these scholars have found a way to develop and use magic, psychic power. This is also i think how they arrange all the vessels on the shelves despite also having tall ladders. Maybe the ladders were used before they know how to use telekinesis. On the side note, i think vault store virtual informations like memory inside the vessels, instead of physical things like books in the library.

Polite stance. Idk how to relate this to vault. Maybe a form of meditation to realise one potential or spiritual power.

The manta call. Reveals that the light creature have bones. Also hint that the bones in the vault are of those whale/manta.

Levitate spirit. May hint that the spirits can learn various magics. But i don't understand why he have a chair on his back, what is the relation to vault.

[novel kettle]

that’s a cool theory. kinda working out what the realms was about based on their emote.

also, i saw in the docs document that there had been some theories of the krill being robots or something similar and i just wanna add some more to that. When theyre on their route their movements are very smooth as its probably something theyve been programmed to, but when they see someone and the person gets to hide, when it resumes to their route the movements are very stiff and kind of goes as a wave down their body which makes it look more robotic. also just the fact that they have routes is also an indicator of them being robots as real living creatures wouldnt really have routes that can be observed and taken into consideration as the krill's routes can.

also, @pearl void , you should definetely save those theories for the individual realms in your notes or something as they can be added to the docs that someone in here made which is full of theories written in here

[fickle lintel]

maybe the rain in forest damages you because all the clouds block your main source of light, the sun. So swimming in puddles or general water is fine because its in the light, and that's the difference between pools of water and rain

[shut granite]

Me and a friend looked at the murals in the crab cave in Ark

the crabs used to be peaceful

[novel kettle]

@fickle lintel theres also theories that forest temple and wasteland temple is the same just in different time periods, so it could be the start of everything being polluted and gross.

[shut granite]

but because the sky kingdom took so much water from their pools, they attacked back

[fickle lintel]

huh

[shut granite]

crab spirit was trying to make peace with the crabs

also nice pronouns @novel kettle! :D

[novel kettle]

thank you lmao

[shut granite]

nonbinary gang

[novel kettle]

yeet

[violet pagoda]

nonb gang rise up 😎

[novel kettle]

woop woop

[hollow pier]

ooooooooh events are planned alongside the seasons!

[novel kettle]

ohhhhh

[hollow pier]

Or maybe we've already seen events, those might be the double hearts/seasonal/normal candles we've had happen

[novel kettle]

i know that all the places added from previous seasons have stayed. for example the two player door in vault

[violet pagoda]

So the Forgotten Ark has a chance of hanging around, then?

[novel kettle]

most likely

now its just whether it will turn back to the first state with the pollution or if it will remain healed like its being now

also, @violet pagoda isnt that underfell pappy in your pfp??????

[violet pagoda]

Yep, yep he is!

[novel kettle]

ayyyyyy

[violet pagoda]

Undertale gang 😎

[novel kettle]

i havent played it myself but ive watched a gameplay.

i kinda wanna try to play it thooo

[violet pagoda]

You should!! It's worth going through yourself even if you know the endings

[novel kettle]

yeah. my sis has it. its just about convincing my parents to let me get it

[pearl void]

ooooooooh events are planned alongside the seasons!
@hollow pier Halloween, Christmas, valentine's day

I think were those past events

[spring blaze]

days of spring too if you’d count that

[hollow pier]

I wouldn’t consider an iap and a dress up just the office a seasonal event personally

[novel kettle]

i heard that office is a wip. so it will be interesting to see when they finish it

[pearl void]

Idk if sharing link is appropriate or not, but this is an up close tuna king, the head resemble the krill, more the reason to believe that the krill is corrupted version of the tuna king
https://youtu.be/8gcDqN51o5A

[sly kestrel]

I don’t get how u guys see it
Krills and whales look nothing alike, and Ik everyone has their own views and opinions but I’m jus rlly confused rn

Also the head.....if u wanna clear view of what the head looks like, there’s a corpse of the whale in the hidden forest

[night heart]

I was right, this is a rock

I think in Forest they were mining this kind of rocks

We can also see them when revealing the mini cave spirit's memories

Here

[sly kestrel]

Does anyone have a rlly good view of the huge mountain and the giant cloud above it, I have an idea

[humble barn]

like this?

[flat flint]

@sly kestrel what's the idea? Don't keep us hanging :P

[queen delta]

@bronze bison

[bronze bison]

Yey

[queen delta]

wooo

[sly kestrel]

It’s fine, I’ll jus get my own pic

I jus need a good view of the cloud above the mountain

[abstract kelp]

They not accept poor like me

[winter girder]

ooooooooh events are planned alongside the seasons!
@hollow pier can you guys explaine what is this.. i kind of confuse on that map.. i know it Sky maps but what are those "season ( all realms )and events ( all realms)?

[sly kestrel]

I’m kinda confused too
Hage sent a pic about seasons and events earlier and even tho I’ve been in this chat for quite a while, I’ve NEVER seen it before

[coral quail]

That picture is very clearly from back in the aviary days

[humble barn]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/664159989476229120

the pic is from these GDC talk slides

[humble barn]

maybe "season" meant to be changes in realms (like the ice rink at home) and and "events" meant to be some limited-time quests and spirits added to the realms (like the seasons we have now), but that's just my guess

If you have played other online games you may know that something like "Season of XX" in Sky is usually called an event

[wind sail]

@ornate anchor Pinging you here since it’s more relevant to theme of the channel, my thought is that this is the place where the glowing kid cutscene takes place

Since both the diamond and the cutscene place shoot a mildly chaotic stream of light

Maybe getting to the invisible wall was never truly intended

So it would always look as some distant goal

And then bam you’re inside it

[ornate anchor]

Okay, so it is an object

[wind sail]

I guess?

Much of the lore and world elements is up to interpretation

That’s just my take on it, I’m sure there have been others before here

[ornate anchor]

Okay, that helps

Thanks

[tawdry star]

How was the ice rink before?

[humble barn]

home ice rink?

@ornate anchor it's an object, probably a broken octahedron https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/703977843075579966

[tawdry star]

Oh wow

[lavish terrace]

I have a lore discussion that’s gonna pet all your peeves

[tropic hinge]

[proud cairn]

[tropic hinge]

"Eyes on sky?"

[lavish terrace]

She looks so—

God what’s wrong with her

[cold steppe]

they look so... realistic in cartoon form

if that makes sense

[lavish terrace]

It’s it does

She’s opened her eyes

[mighty siren]

[lavish terrace]

^ Hey look it’s my character

[winter girder]

Thats so scary lol

I have a lore discussion that’s gonna pet all your peeves
@lavish terrace how could that happen?? Hahah

[lavish terrace]

That face pets my peeve

[torn grove]

They not accept poor like me
@abstract kelp where is this from?

[hushed steeple]

Elders
•The guide
•The protector
•The blacksmith
•The athletes
•The warrior
•The guardian

[abstract kelp]

@abstract kelp where is this from?
@torn grove vault of knowledge

[reef plover]

Hey Lore ppl. What is the citadel? Why are there floating rings in the sky there? Like, is it just there for decoration? How'd those even get there??

[warm fern]

advanced alien anti-gravity tech

[cobalt palm]

@reef plover not sure I can provide a definitive answer, but the citadel is like the "pinnacle" of the ancestors society, and was called the oratory, so could be considered a place of worship.
The central spinning sphere is tilted (or Reika hoped) at the same angle as the earth, so my interpretation, is that it's like a armillary, so was used to study the sky and stars.

I’m not the most scientifically correct person out there
But I did tilt that 23.5 degrees when I made it
I hope I got that right
Reika

[wintry island]

Does anyone have a rlly good view of the huge mountain and the giant cloud above it, I have an idea
@sly kestrel

I have a photo of the mountain from each world in sky (GW and Vault not included cuz u can’t see it from there) as well as some from Eden, if u would like

[cobalt palm]

Like this?

[carmine saffron]

I have a close up of the end of Eden

The white thing

Do you know what this broken thing is?

[cobalt palm]

Current thoughts are it's a giant power diamond, as we see the Forest and Vault elders using

[wintry island]

If anyone ever needs them

I took these to see if the mountain got any closer as we progressed through the lands, cuz I originally assumed that the world progression was very linear

[wild vortex]

are elders in orbit taller than usual?

[hollow pier]

it's an object, probably a broken octahedron https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/703977843075579966
@carmine saffron

[zealous summit]

Alr, guys! Sorry, I forgot to bring you lore yesterday. Actually, I forgot altogether, until I saw this on a candle run:

I also got a few others, this one to back up the one about butterflies being artificial

I also noticed the spirit in the 2 player door was building a few other things

I think this spirit, or maybe the people of daylight prairie, made a lot of the tools we see in Sky today, such as the height measuring light thing

And the ladder

And the B O A T S

[warm storm]

ye

[ripe cloak]

A war?? I’m very new... could someone explain just a bit about that that? 😄

[safe musk]

@sly kestrel GW oob

[sly kestrel]

That’s perfect u guys, thank you

[novel kettle]

@ripe cloak there’s a link to a docs document where someone added all the theories written in here. check that out and you should be pretty much up to date

[sly kestrel]

Ehhhh butter gave up after a while and a lot of the stuff I said before, it doesn’t really make sense anymore. It was jus my ideas at the time but u can read it if u want

[ripe cloak]

@novel kettle thank you

[novel kettle]

you’re welcome

[plush moon]

What if spirit mantas aren't dead mantas but extinct ones. They are at a different evolutionary stage and are "extinct" because of wasteland's manta-ing. That explains their different, more complex design

[heady sinew]

Or maybe they're endangered and the last few specimens are kept safe inside the vault?

[wide root]

Are those rock supposed to signify something?

[cold steppe]

they're clocks

the bottom one indicates the time of the rainbow (I think it's when the dots align)

[wide root]

Ok thanks

[plush moon]

Or maybe they're endangered and the last few specimens are kept safe inside the vault?
@heady sinew the mantas may be holograms...

[zealous summit]

@cold steppe But what’s the top clock?

[zealous summit]

K, thanks

[sly kestrel]

Jus a little thought that came across my head yesterday.....

@hollow pier what do you think?

[hushed steeple]

Is like a early concept of the mega bird?

[vague sun]

@sly kestrel I think that’s a cap cloud? A cloud on top of a lot of y’all mountains, but the volcano idea is cool :0

[plush moon]

i don't think megabird is a cloud...and you see the stream of light going thru it - megabird is probably higher than that @sly kestrel

[hushed steeple]

Also, what’s even the deal with this megabird? I never saw it

Seems to be a real big deal tho

[plush moon]

some theorists see it as God, so it's kinda important

[hushed steeple]

Wait what

[plush moon]

Im sorry I JUST WOKE FROM A NAP

what did i write my god ;-;

fdslksdlk

[hollow pier]

Plausible @sly kestrel but i think that beam of light goes straight up to the megabird and not through

[hushed steeple]

@stark marten
Oh cool (writes it in fanfic ideas doc)

One thing that I noticed and wanted to share

If you look closely, spirits with capes don’t have stars. This means they weren’t able to boost.

That makes you think

How did they even get around?

[plush moon]

B O A T S

[hushed steeple]

But even so

Like, in tight places

Like the Whale Cave

[plush moon]

remember the vault - some spirits learned "magic"

maybe it was just harnessing power diamonds?

[hushed steeple]

remember the vault - some spirits learned "magic"
@plush moon
Of course, see the enchantment spirits

[plush moon]

crab spirit - that's all I remember

[hushed steeple]

But we never see them...y know, actually flying, or using light, or candles

[plush moon]

Like the Whale Cave
@hushed steeple yea I thought that was strange and they created some kind of doorway there?

and the only option was to fly there?

[hushed steeple]

Yeah

The forbidden door

Aka the most frustrating star to get

Together with the one on the first arch in wasteland

[plush moon]

ikr

[hushed steeple]

It’s on a really tight space

[plush moon]

why was that place blocked off

[hushed steeple]

Boats can’t really go through it

[violet pagoda]

It's very possible that there were other means of transportation beforehand that got destroyed in the mass extinction

[hushed steeple]

And we never see a boat there

[violet pagoda]

TGC is adding new things all the time, after all

[plush moon]

maybe they can r ide mantas

[hushed steeple]

Also....

The humans don’t seem to be made of light...

Are they like, hybrids of Light and Darkness?

[violet pagoda]

Maybe? Or maybe they were neither? Obviously relevant humans who dedicated themselves to the light became part of the constellations when they passed, but the rest seem to have just kinda...disappeared.

[hushed steeple]

@violet pagoda the disappearing part is easy...they all died with the corruption

[plush moon]

i think humans are neither light nor dark nor both

[hushed steeple]

The dark plants, know

[violet pagoda]

Maybe

Well, okay, yeah, they all died in that event but I don't think the dark plants are their remains

[hushed steeple]

i think humans are neither light nor dark nor both
@plush moon
So if that’s the case, so is the world of sky like a copy of Earth, and the whole game is some really recluse place in Asia or something where only a few humans reached, and since it’s so close to the Orbit Kingdom, it changed its surroundings to have more Light

Well, okay, yeah, they all died in that event but I don't think the dark plants are their remains
@violet pagoda
There are graves tho

[violet pagoda]

Oh there are? oh

My mistake

[hushed steeple]

The crying spirit

[plush moon]

but there are flying islands .-.

[hushed steeple]

She was crying

[plush moon]

that's certainly not earthly

[hushed steeple]

In the graves of her friends

that's certainly not earthly
@plush moon
As I said...a copy of earth, but they are close to the space kingdom, the light kinda leaked to the planet and changed things and creating a new ecosystem

[violet pagoda]

Okay but here's a big question. Are the statues in Eden human or are they skykids?

[hushed steeple]

Okay but here's a big question. Are the statues in Eden human or are they skykids?
@violet pagoda
Previous skykids

In the cutscene were you break free, you can see some of them do the same

[cold steppe]

was that confirmed?

[hushed steeple]

And the player turned to a statue aswell

[plush moon]

@plush moon
As I said...a copy of earth, but they are close to the space kingdom, the light kinda leaked to the planet and changed things and creating a new ecosystem
@hushed steeple there's a theory about that - it relates to megabird and post-eden

[violet pagoda]

That doesn't make sense though. Why were we able to break free on our own and they had to have the assistance of another person? Is it supposed to be implied that someone else came and helped us, and we're all trapped in an endless cycle?

And the player turned to a statue as well
@hushed steeple They didn't turn into a statue though, they turned into blue light.

[hushed steeple]

Really?

[plush moon]

Okay but here's a big question. Are the statues in Eden human or are they skykids?
@violet pagoda oh i answered that a while back. i created a monster ;-;

[violet pagoda]

oh?

[plush moon]

https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/706973473406451744

ppl called me out

[violet pagoda]

I guess that makes sense in a strange way? But I don't get what you mean by "Let civilization rest."

[plush moon]

it's dead dude

[violet pagoda]

Returning the corrupted human spirits to the sky to become part of a constellation again makes sense in terms of "Oh, these are part of us now so we have to protect them"

I understand that

[plush moon]

i thought more of freeing them and releasing them from darkness

[violet pagoda]

I'm just saying, what else is there to protect and "let rest" after those spirits have returned? The rest of the humans are dead. Is the megabird acting as a historian for what once was?

[wide root]

It looks like a giant cape

[plush moon]

then they can rest and move on to heaven - then if u help them enough they are "alive" enough for the elders to ascend also

if u noticed after u unlock the wing buff the spirits turn a golden color

i think megabird felt pity for them and he wanted to show their history to us by allowing us to interact with spirits

It looks like a giant cape
@wide root and that dot is maybe the person we see in the opening vision in isle

[violet pagoda]

Maybe so. Deities do tend to have different codes of morality.

[plush moon]

that makes me ask why did the elders fall to the clouds

they used to be by his side

[wide root]

Maybe it’s the war that did it

[plush moon]

the vision showed them fall before the civilization prospered