The storm caused them to crash in the desert but they managed to survive, then they made a home there and a farm then they died and never got home :(
#lore-discussion-spoilers
wicked dragon
spice kernel
There are many buildings in the clouds
wicked dragon
Or I’m just saying this
slender spear
Doesn't this mean that dark creatures aren't evil?
modern fulcrum
and you can see the different types of light that you have to catch were things they brought with them
spice kernel
If you lpay attention, you'll see that there are windows at the bottom
modern fulcrum
dark creatures arent evil
ruby wave
I think that maybe the king is still alive
modern fulcrum
theyre just dark
spice kernel
But upon landing in those holes, you find out that it wasn't an actual window and was just.. a hole
ruby wave
?? Hole
sick trellis
@wicked dragon I think the same
plucky plank
The king is still alive?
wicked dragon
So so wait wait, were they forgotten after that?
spice kernel
Why would there be perfect rectangular holes in buildings for no particular reason at all?
sick trellis
They went missing
modern fulcrum
for the mole people
spice kernel
We have mole ppl?
modern fulcrum
maybe
ruby wave
I feel like the king is alive still because if he wasn’t.. everything would dieeee and spread to everyone
spice kernel
modern fulcrum
i want to talk abt the murals on the ark now
spice kernel
Go ahead
ruby wave
Maybe he is just sleeping somewhere
sick trellis
Yes the ark murals
plucky plank
Okay, for the forgotten ark, there is a theory that wasteland was the location of a civil war. I think the spirits in the forgotten ark took the boat to escape the war and crash landed there till they died.
modern fulcrum
okay so they were bringing light somewhere, and butterflies in jars
spice kernel
Altho, speaking of which
modern fulcrum
but where were they going
spice kernel
That transition from a krill to mantas got me confused
To find prosperity
That was stated in the patch notes
But..
sick trellis
You sure there were butterflies jar in that boat?
modern fulcrum
i think that these spirits were bringing energy to help war efforts
spice kernel
Where is prosperity?
ruby wave
Maybe it’s weapons for the war
modern fulcrum
but they took a wrong turn into a storm and crashed
ruby wave
Butterfly weapons
modern fulcrum
ill check the jars again
spice kernel
Let me be honest
modern fulcrum
i know they were carrying some sort of light
ruby wave
Yes
spice kernel
War does not equal prosperity 
modern fulcrum
i think the red light was one of those lights
hard delta
They were probably bringing them to convert them into dark stones
slender spear
War between Circle and Diamond factions
ruby wave
And there is a krill
plucky plank
Are the devs the ones who named the whale...whale?
sick trellis
Yes they obviously crashed there and wanted to let a mark of their life in the place
modern fulcrum
when the ark crashed, the light escaped
ruby wave
That seems to be guarding the ark
sick trellis
the ark crashed because of krills I think
spice kernel
Doesn't do it's job very well tho
ruby wave
OHMIGOSH what if krill are just protectors of wasteland
modern fulcrum
so theres going to be more light
probably one of each element that was seen on the boat
viv that plausible
plucky plank
HOLD ON!!! I JUST CAME UP WIHT SOMEHING
spice kernel
That seems logical when taking into account how similar krills are to journey stone guardians
modern fulcrum
i feel like they were guarding the graveyard
ruby wave
Yey plausibility
sick trellis
Yes obviously that's what is said when you buy the season pass
modern fulcrum
probably like herding some creatures for the ancestors
ruby wave
They just want them to rip
modern fulcrum
i dont remember what happened when i bought the pass
sick trellis
Each spirit represents an element and probably a kingdom too
slender spear
Shadow of the colossus vibez
plucky plank
-
Krills are the results of the dark energy released during the civil war.
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Krills were weapons made for the war that couldn't be controlled later.
spice kernel
And I see that picture as a piece of a puzzle
hard delta
what civil war though
sick trellis
But it i Am not really convinced
ruby wave
Idk.. I like to believe that they are guarding something and are not evil
modern fulcrum
let me finish instead of trying to shoot me down
plucky plank
It has? @sick trellis
spice kernel
Mhm, sorry
sick trellis
Yup
ruby wave
Go ahead daisy
plucky plank
Which one?
modern fulcrum
okay so the lights escaped to the kingdoms when the ark broke. we know that
but where were the spirits taking these lights
were they trying to get to the power crystal in waste and took a wrong turn??
sick trellis
So the ark was carrying something really precious?
modern fulcrum
yeah
ruby wave
Maybe to vault where the thrones are
spice kernel
It seemed like a star from the sky of sorts
modern fulcrum
based on the headsets the spirits in the mural wear
ruby wave
Or to stabilize the giant diamond in eden
modern fulcrum
yeah
ruby wave
Which reminds me
sick trellis
@modern fulcrum we can guess that the energy from these lights is what made the krills to attack the ark
ruby wave
What are the lights we have to catch?
modern fulcrum
i think they went to forest and vault, and may have either been taking the light to help war efforts, or trying to stabilize the diamond
hard delta
To forest
slender spear
I do want elaboration on the things the Ark was carrying
spice kernel
Imma ask something again: Is discussion of beta allowed here?
modern fulcrum
there are literally no krills there
sick trellis
But we can see an ark mural with a krill
slender spear
Mural on the Ark
ruby wave
There is one krill
spice kernel
Over the entrance
modern fulcrum
you can see in the murals they went into a storm
spice kernel
Yes
ruby wave
In the entrance where you take the boat
modern fulcrum
beta stays in beta
spice kernel
;-;
modern fulcrum
yes theres a mural with a krill
but i dont think that whats took them down
you can see the storm knock the boat over
hard delta
But beta doesnt have its lore discussion
spice kernel
Then I guess we've gotta wait
modern fulcrum
the krill and clouds may just be the painter drawing their surroundings
spice kernel
And use what we have in the meantime
sick trellis
So why krills on the mural? Maybe this krill mural has been made after they saw krills? I mean if krills came after the big disaster, why can we see them?
modern fulcrum
i also think the spirits were bringing butterflies in the ark
for the generator in waste
hm
slender spear
Off topic but that anchor is HUGE
modern fulcrum
krills didnt come after the explosion
sick trellis
Then when ?
modern fulcrum
the krills are just creatures of dark
spice kernel
The order of the murals made sense going from left to right, seeing as that is the case, I'm pretty sure the Krills came before that storm
modern fulcrum
its a big ark
sick trellis
Hmmm
modern fulcrum
heres what i think abt the krills
sick trellis
So there could have been a krill in that storm
hard delta
Probably
modern fulcrum
i think the krills may have caused them to turn, running into the storm
thats a possibility
wicked dragon
Oh my goodness
spice kernel
Makes sense
sick trellis
Yes this is really plausible
modern fulcrum
but for krills in general i believe krills were trained to herd the creatures in graveyard, and when they see skykids they think their flock is escaping. so they attack to immobilize them and prevent from going further
spice kernel
On a slightly unrelated note, would Hecta and mine's Krill documentary be valid for lore?
spice kernel
Mhm, gonna go fetch it
slender spear
I'm confused: where did they depart from and where was their destination?
modern fulcrum
im assuming they departed from forest, and went to vault for the light
you can see spirits with umbrellas and lightseekers hats
and then they go to vault
the spirits have vault headpieces
they took this light, possibly bringing it to waste for something
slender spear
Oooh
spice kernel
"Ever noticed the black sludge in Wasteland? well my friends, that is the glorious liquid lnown as "Krill Milk". When a new baby Krill is born into the Krill as a byproduct of it's mother consuming a Light Child's Winged Lights, it is instantly dropped into the batch of Krill Milk that flows endlessly and is layed throughout the Golden Wasteland. During it's time in the Krilk (Krill Milk), it learns how to fly and gets used to it by swimming around whilst also feeding off the milk. Any Skychild walking in the Krilk may experience slow loss of light. The deeper the sludge, the faster you'll lose it. That my friends, is the baby Krills slow nibbling away and draining your light. This feeds it's first for Skychildren later on as a fully matured KrillOnce ready, it rises above from the Krill Milk (as seen in the area before Boneyard) and starts it's new life"
That's how it went in the questions channel
modern fulcrum
hm
slender spear
And then tried to survive on the island?
spice kernel
Oh nice..
modern fulcrum
they made a farm
spice kernel
And even tried to purify the water
sick trellis
Well
modern fulcrum
where else would baby krills be
spice kernel
-as shown in the memories of the shrug spirit
slender spear
krilk
modern fulcrum
thats like sludge
sick trellis
Water that makes us loose light
modern fulcrum
its not water
spice kernel
Lmao.
indigo scarab
Sludge
sick trellis
Yea i'm not a native English speaker
slender spear
Call it liquid
sick trellis
Ok so that sludge would be produced by krill?
indigo scarab
Chocolate lake
slender spear
Yum
ruby wave
Relaxi that makes sense because krill are constantly shedding 
spice kernel
Reee-
ruby wave
Just black snow
slender spear
Wait, krill carcuses?
indigo scarab
delicious yellow snow
ruby wave
:0 don’t eat it
spice kernel
Apparently, many yellow caped friends of mine were hiding there
ruby wave
What did I just say
modern fulcrum
step on them
indigo scarab
Wait, you’re not supposed to eat that?
spice kernel
I will 
indigo scarab
modern fulcrum
i just wonder what kind of crops they grow on the farm
sick trellis
Oh it's 8:41 PM here
slender spear
9:41 pm
sick trellis
Bhe
modern fulcrum
its 1:41 pm
indigo scarab
Potato
dull fox
Well but the thing is, about the sludge, from what I can tell it comes from the massive pipes all over the wasteland
modern fulcrum
all of you go to sleep
indigo scarab
Nvm
sick trellis
Why would it be crops?
indigo scarab
birds eat seeds
spice kernel
i just wonder what kind of crops they grow on the farm
@modern fulcrum there were birds there so it had to be stuff that grew from seeds or were grains like wheat or corn. Vegetables also grow from seed but some not
indigo scarab
soooo uh
dull fox
I think the inhabitants of the wasteland were somewhat industrialized and polluted the land
modern fulcrum
well before the war waste was like valley iirc
sick trellis
Yea sorry I didn't know the exact meaning of crop x)
indigo scarab
Why are you guys so concerned its just their plumbing system
modern fulcrum
crops grow on the farm
modern fulcrum
what are these spirits putting in their plumbing
sick trellis
But that land doesn't look fertile at all
modern fulcrum
they made it work
indigo scarab
Doo
spice kernel
what are these spirits putting in their plumbing
@modern fulcrum medieval blueprints
modern fulcrum
ew
spice kernel
Oh no
dull fox
It might have been fertile before what happened. We don’t know how long ago the spirits went there to colonize
spice kernel
I'm starting to hallucinate
modern fulcrum
oh yeah
slender spear
slep
spice kernel
I mean, I can still go on. It makes me sad when people tell me to sneep :(
modern fulcrum
the land might have been nicer before explosion
indigo scarab
Soz 😦
slender spear
good night relaxi
modern fulcrum
okay well im going to take a break from lore for now
modern fulcrum
will come back later
modern fulcrum
also if you guys decide to talk abt megabird i have a picture of the constellation
spice kernel
Here are some notes I got about them, maybe you guys could piece smth together?
modern fulcrum
okay ill stay for mushrooms
indigo scarab
Its just mushrooms
modern fulcrum
they probably grew them
indigo scarab
Wait a min—— fungi in deserts?
indigo scarab
Ah
indigo scarab
Huh shroom seeds
night sleet
There were what looked like plant beds in the forgotten ark area
dull fox
My theory is that long ago there was a technologically advanced nation in the wasteland that was separate from the inhabitants of all the other lands. The other lands saw how they were destroying the land and tried to put a stop to it but a war broke out as a result. After the battle ended the nation in the wasteland was destroyed as well as the land, but because of the destruction which was caused the land was tainted and dark creatures began moving in chasing out all the new people that lived there. At some point after this the spirits came and tried to colonize in the place where the arc was, or beyond that, but crashed so they had to try to survive in the untamed desert.
spice kernel
-The ones underground are black while the ones in the sky were glowing
-collecting one mushroom gives a candle each, meaning that they must have some lind of wax component or share the same material as candles
-The playfight and nod spirit were collecting mushrooms, they must've have been collecting them to consume, meaning spirits EAT wax
-When one of the mushroom was dropped in the sludge, it fell instantly and din't take time to sink
modern fulcrum
so when everything exploded, isle and prairie were the least affected bc theyre the farthest away. maybe the krill shed the flakes bc theyre slowly deteriorating bc of the radiation from the storm
indigo scarab
I hope the mushrooms were not hallucinogens
spice kernel
Those are my notes for the mushrooms
indigo scarab
Bro imagine eating wax
spice kernel
Yeah...
night sleet
Odd
modern fulcrum
did you read my krill notes
spice kernel
I did, I most likely forgot though (´･∀･｀)
night sleet
Although the sky kids basicly consume light
spice kernel
My short term memory is bad
indigo scarab
Did they also grind crabs for diamonds
modern fulcrum
crabs dont really have much light
spice kernel
Ooh mhm
modern fulcrum
theyre dark creatures
spice kernel
What about them
indigo scarab
thats why im confused
dull fox
From what I can tell about the crabs on a spit in the graveyard the crabs were eaten as food
spice kernel
No light
night sleet
You know krill remind me of dementors
modern fulcrum
relaxi let me grab the message to show you
spice kernel
I found it
indigo scarab
Because on one of the spirit’s scene theres depictions of spirits putting them in jars
indigo scarab
So uh
modern fulcrum
so when everything exploded, isle and prairie were the least affected bc theyre the farthest away. maybe the krill shed the flakes bc theyre slowly deteriorating bc of the radiation from the storm
here
spice kernel
;-;
modern fulcrum
thats my idea
spice kernel
Hmm... Krilk?
prime pasture
Has anyone thought if Krills are Corrupted sky-kids?
indigo scarab
No
spice kernel
A lot have
dull fox
That’d be weird
indigo scarab
Yeah
spice kernel
I've heard of it, just not thought of or gotten into that theory myself
night sleet
Well they are different
prime pasture
That'd be interesting tho
dull fox
I think they just exist in darkness
night sleet
What if they interbreeded with crabs
dull fox
Created by it
indigo scarab
Skykids get hurt when in contact to darkness
modern fulcrum
i think krills are just creatures of dark, like mantas are creatures of light
night sleet
Okay
dull fox
Yeah
spice kernel
Das all
indigo scarab
Yeah
night sleet
So they are like dementors
prime pasture
I always thought they are eggs in the Sparkly water and dragons/krills come from it
spice kernel
KRILL DOCU
prime pasture
¯_(ツ)_/¯
indigo scarab
The forgotten ark also has depictions of krill and crabs alongside with mantas, so they existed even before post explosion
prime pasture
I mean, A krill comes up from the water when you first meet it
dull fox
Someone contact game theory and get them on this
modern fulcrum
light and dark exist, maybe not in harmony, but together
indigo scarab
They existed before skykids
spice kernel
Some asked me a follow-up question about dark plants after I was done with the krilk docu, this was my answer: "Cacti? Y'know them? They store water in them. Darkness plants store krilk in them, whenever you burn them, that krilk evaporates and makes a sizzling sound"
prime pasture
Intersting
spice kernel
Hold on-
indigo scarab
Thats how they were born dude
spice kernel
But our krilk docu stated that baby krills lived in the krilk...
prime pasture
Maybe they are corrupted wax?
dull fox
There are plants that thrive in light, I think there are plants that thrive in darkness too
spice kernel
So are we also burning baby krills??
indigo scarab
Wax is wax
prime pasture
OHH I HAVE A THEORY
spice kernel
Nah, plants can't store babies
prime pasture
What if Darkness plant are Corrupted Wax, and Krills come up from them?
spice kernel
Wax is wax
@indigo scarab although... TGC officially calls it "Light"
indigo scarab
Ah
spice kernel
Thry also called candles "Light Tributes"
night sleet
How does an animal come from a plant
dull fox
From what I’ve seen the krill seem to burrow in the sand when they aren’t hunting
prime pasture
Since when we burn it it still gives us wax
dull fox
They probably lay eggs down under the sand as well
indigo scarab
I mean, burning things produces light
prime pasture
Krills are kinda like rocks tho
dull fox
I doubt the plants and the krill are connected
night sleet
So when I’m on the sand there might be krill eggs under me?
prime pasture
^^
spice kernel
Ewwww
dull fox
Yup
prime pasture
Not disgudting!
night sleet
My hate of wasteland has gone up
spice kernel
Disturbing!
night sleet
Of krills
dull fox
They probably live in caves down under the wasteland
prime pasture
I doubt the plants and the krill are connected
agreed
spice kernel
Under da krilk
dull fox
They hunt creatures of light which is why they inhabit Eden too
Because lots of us go up there
prime pasture
What if they caused the explosion?
night sleet
So the dead children needing light were killed by krill
spice kernel
But hey..
dull fox
I think they came after the war
night sleet
What if they were created by a side to fight
prime pasture
^^
dull fox
Because notice the anti tank defenses littering the wasteland
They’d be useless against krill
The krill fly
indigo scarab
They were killed by the rocks plummeting down
modern fulcrum
the elders caused the explosion by destroying the ecosystem for power
prime pasture
Rip
dull fox
I think the krill came after the war
spice kernel
After saving a statue in eden, it wont be there until next reset. As seen in thw cutscenes and during orbit, they ascend along with us. But on sunday reset, they're back to where they were at the start, back in the same exact spot
dull fox
They moved into the wasteland
spice kernel
Any theories on that?
modern fulcrum
the krill were around before the war bc without them the world would have no balance
and sky has balance
prime pasture
Maybe The Eden is stuck on a time loop?
modern fulcrum
maybe its just a game feature relaxi
spice kernel
Diasy all about balance 
indigo scarab
The krill came before. Ark shows them before post-destruction along side with mantas
prime pasture
Everyweek its back at the fallen kids?
spice kernel
Yin and Yang
indigo scarab
Because more people go there to die lol
prime pasture
Yeah, the krill are from past aswell
modern fulcrum
i do believe the krills and crab shed the flakes bc of storm radiation
spice kernel
Oof, not wrong
prime pasture
They existed before tho daisy
modern fulcrum
the mantas and birds werent as affected bc they were farther away
dull fox
There are anti tank defenses in the wasteland. The krill can fly over them. Why waste resources in a war against flying creatures building things that they fly over. There was obviously tanks or some other kind of advanced weaponry used in a war, but not to fight the krill. The war was fought between two different nations of sky people
modern fulcrum
yeah they existed before
prime pasture
In the art and cave paintings we can find mor eif we look closely
spice kernel
THAT WOULD FURTHER CONFIRM THE REBIRTH = CLONING
indigo scarab
Yeah eden diamond has a-lot of properties of a radioactive mineral
modern fulcrum
but the storm caused them to start deteriorating
spice kernel
AS IN, U DIE AFTER A VESSEL BECOMES USELESS AND THEN GET ANOTHER OF THE SAME
modern fulcrum
radiation is bad for living things
indigo scarab
Yep
night sleet
Yeah
spice kernel
VIV'S THEORY IS STARTING TO MAKE SENSE TOO
So now idk whether skykids are clay or vessels OwO
modern fulcrum
THE WAR WASNT FOUGHT AGAINST KRILL
dull fox
That’s what I’m saying
indigo scarab
Clay vessels.
prime pasture
I belive Eden is stuck in a time loop since the fallen kids go back to the storm every reset.
night sleet
I say it was fought with krill
modern fulcrum
it was a civil war
dull fox
It was fought against other nations
night sleet
Krill seem a lot like dementors
dull fox
And the land was left scarred and dark after the war
A perfect place for dark creatures
modern fulcrum
people wanted the information inside vault
dull fox
So they moved in afterwards
modern fulcrum
so the war began to protect that info
spice kernel
Oops
dull fox
Yeah
prime pasture
Hmm
spice kernel
G'night. Enjoyed my time here! 
modern fulcrum
i think the krill were just there before the explosion, not as hungry for light
bye!!
prime pasture
Lets host a theory group and Try to find more on the paintings maybe?
night sleet
Maybe there was more light
modern fulcrum
but when they started to deteriorate, they wanted to stay alive
so they take skykids winged light to live
night sleet
And then afterward the sky children were main source of light
prime pasture
They show alot but modt people dont look closely and ignore the cave paintings
modern fulcrum
ooh i love cave paintings
well im going to go but do think abt the krills and radiation
indigo scarab
It WAS a civil war between valley and wasteland. The architecture is the same, its just that valley has evolved culturally since wasteland got raided , thus the change in some architectural differences and the obvious signs of people renewing sports ground and the place in general
prime pasture
I didint pay attention my first runs, then realised caves told alot about the lore
indigo scarab
Yes
dull fox
And notice that the only place you can find the pipes is Eden and the wasteland
The technology between the two peoples is different
Meaning that while sharing the same island they were probably completely different
indigo scarab
They changed their technology, after all the valley people now had advanced methods of travel etc etc
dull fox
There’s also a lack of art in the wasteland
There aren’t cave drawings or anything there
indigo scarab
Please read my original post dude
night sleet
There’s a lot in ark
dull fox
The ark is a different group of people entirely
night sleet
Okay
dull fox
They were searching for a new land to inhabit but crashed in the wasteland most likely due to a krill
Once there they tried to survive
But as we know, they are spirits
So they died
indigo scarab
Wasteland was abandoned, theres no art because there was no change in culture. Since wasteland was abandoned and valley was not, obviously their appreciation for sports and the arts evolved with their architecture
dull fox
Yeah
But also everyone in the entire rest of the world is dead too so you gotta wonder what killed them
Whatever it was it didn’t destroy the land
indigo scarab
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiscokCGOhs
Changing subject, the eden diamond is a example of a unstable radioactive diamond.
It violently shoots out rocks much like how radioactive rocks shoot out ions, due to the glowing nature of the eden diamond, it probably radiates heat,light and radiation due the the amount of unstable energy inside of it, giving it a red (white sometimes) hue.
It also is apparent that the environment has suffered because of the radiation
probably maybe radiation
dull fox
That would make sense
Even though the landscape wasn’t rekt by the radiation the people couldn’t survive it and left
Or died
indigo scarab
The video has a example of a radioactive rock shooting out ions
Yeah
Some creatures are more tolerant to radiation than others
dull fox
Are the descendants of the people who used to live there and are immune to the radiation because of evolution or something.
hollow pier
@hard delta the king is still in the game architecture, and it’s canon that there used to be an eden elder but there’s nothing left to save
indigo scarab
Skykids and spirits are not related
dull fox
Ok
indigo scarab
Different species
dull fox
Well technically to have that much of a change done to us we would be a different species even if we’re descendants
Like apes and humans
indigo scarab
you know what i mean lmao
dull fox
We could be distantly related
hard delta
@hard delta the king is still in the game architecture, and it’s canon that there used to be an eden elder but there’s nothing left to save
@hollow pier ah, I see. I meant him in the Eye of Eden, though
dull fox
We are both humanoids
hollow pier
It was said that they’re not exactly different species but they’re not exactly the same species and that species was the wrong word in a dev livestream
indigo scarab
Makes sense
hollow pier
So I call them subspecies
hard delta
also, good to see you here Hage
hollow pier
Soup species-I like it
dull fox
It could be a product of side by side evolution. Two creatures that aren’t related but look the same like the Australian mole and the European mole
Or some kind of mole I’m not sure
indigo scarab
Skykid moles
hard delta
or australian and us possum
dull fox
XD
But whatever we are, we are immune to the radiation if that’s what it is
So we are different from the spirits
indigo scarab
Same family diffrent genus?
dull fox
I guess
dull fox
I’m certain we have spines
hard delta
But whatever we are, we are immune to the radiation if that’s what it is
skykids are humans after next nuclear bombs confirmed
dull fox
Well we freeze
dull fox
When we run out of light we freeze
So maybe it’s not heat that the diamond is giving off
But cold
indigo scarab
Yes because heat is a byproduct of light
dull fox
But notice that if we stand in a campfire we are unharmed
I think we are weak to low temperatures
indigo scarab
Petrifying =/= freezing
Yeah
I mean the game takes place at a high altitude where clouds are formed and snow can be found
We can even go into freezing water @ the valley ice rink
hmmm... maybe we become weak to low temperatures when our light runs out because our body heat gets taken away?
indigo scarab
Epic
dull fox
Like mitochondria
Except that our mitochondria get knocked out of us if we get hit really hard
indigo scarab
Oh no
mitochondria are inside cells, like white blood cells etc.
If we had mitochondria we would be somewhat bleeding hahaha
and idk if we have organs
dull fox
Not exactly like mitochondria but it would seem that when we run out in cold areas we freeze to death
indigo scarab
we kinda get fueled by light, we absorb it sorta
sleek sail
mmm true
indigo scarab
Yeah
dull fox
And as we climb into higher altitudes we collect light to fortify us against the cold
sleek sail
and when we run out of light in forest, we start losing stars eventually too (in the rainy areas)
mellow sable
oh my god I just realized what happened to the cry spirit
dull fox
Big sad
mellow sable
:(
dull fox
That’s like my favorite pass time
dull fox
Intelligent 100
indigo scarab
The walls were blocked by stone
dull fox
And darkness
indigo scarab
The poor dude buried his friends in the small little gravestones he built with leftover brick
dull fox
The previous inhabitants didn’t seem to have a very good way of dealing with darkness like we do
indigo scarab
Yeah
dull fox
Also they are freaking huge
indigo scarab
they dont have light readily available
Theres a theory that there were even larger ancestor predecessors
dull fox
The old inhabitants were probably closer to modern day humans
With the sky kids being called sky kids because they are smoll
dull fox
XD
indigo scarab
Btw i think the civil was was fought by larger spirit predecessors, which is why the weapons are HUGE
indigo scarab
culture passed down yadayada big doors yadayada
indigo scarab
Cant wait for sky tank update where we can shoot projectiles at krills
dull fox
Yes
indigo scarab
Genius
dull fox
We will take back the wastelandland
indigo scarab
Yes
indigo scarab
indigo scarab
instant death
zealous summit
Depends on how far up the krill you are
indigo scarab
ultra instinct krill
dull fox
Also has anyone noticed that flying over a krill is hecking dangerous?
indigo scarab
Yep
zealous summit
If you’re close enough to a krill’s face, and it’s red, you will get auto krilled
dull fox
Or flying near one in general
indigo scarab
I have a screenshot with a glitched krill,
dull fox
They don’t behave much like living things sometimes
indigo scarab
Im right next to it, still passive
dull fox
I once had to just watch a glich krill hit the same player 10 times in a row
sleek sail
oh jeez
zealous summit
Oh dang
sleek sail
that must have been traumatizing
sleek sail
wow
dull fox
I wouldn’t have dared do that
I was climbing Eden last night and a krill glitched out and got into the pipe that’s supposed to be a safe place
indigo scarab
I was under the blue light but since i was panicked i could not take a screenshot
(this isint lore hhh)
sleek sail
oooooo hold up what if the elders took whales or some other light creature and did something to them to use them as weapons in the civil war, but it backfired
dull fox
Me: climbs Eden twice in the same 5 hour period.
The game: wait, you aren’t supposed to do that
indigo scarab
Maybe
dull fox
I think that someone said that the krill aren’t artificial
That they are natural parts of the world
indigo scarab
i touched a whale (its possible) during orbit and it drained my light
dull fox
Wack
sleek sail
oh true
dull fox
indigo scarab
dull fox
But in a war against people that don’t seem to need light to survive like the spirits a being that drains light wouldn’t be very useful in the war
The krill don’t kill you they just eat your light
They krill you
indigo scarab
They yeet
dull fox
So I doubt anything that drained light was used in the war
sly kestrel
Yea but spirits and skykids can die if they lose their light 😐
dull fox
Yeah but the ancient inhabitants don’t have any light
They don’t use it
They had capes and could fly
indigo scarab
Attempted murder.
The krill will hear from my lawyer
dull fox
But they don’t have light like we do
sleek sail
yeah but it does seem that they used light to power a ton of stuff, so maybe it was a kind of sabotage thing
dull fox
Maybe
sly kestrel
Power diamonds cough cough
indigo scarab
^
indigo scarab
Eat diamond
dull fox
In the least the ones with the capes were the ones who could collect light
indigo scarab
Yum
sleek sail
c h o m p
indigo scarab
I dont think the spirits could fly easily
dull fox
Yeah
Not as easily as we can
They probably used the capes for like jumping far
Or something
indigo scarab
Maybe they use turbulence and clouds
dull fox
Yeah
The ones with capes were probably more akin to magic users or scientists than the others
indigo scarab
Yeah
dull fox
The people who got things done
indigo scarab
Wealthy nobles vs the peasantry which blacksmith and harvested butterflies for light
dull fox
Yeah
indigo scarab
Since the ones we see collecting crabs at the forgotten’s cave painting dont wear capes
Same with prairie blacksmith
dull fox
Yeah. And the dude who had the crabs roasting on a spit in the graveyard.
dull fox
What if all the spirits in the wasteland are people who came after the war to explore or find riches
indigo scarab
but less amounts))
Yeah i think that too
Since black cape and the whale mask both appear to be searching/ hiding
dull fox
It’s possible that going through the wasteland was some kind of rite of passage or something. If you survive you are allowed to become a higher class like a knight going on a holy quest or something
sleek sail
that makes sense, as the realm after gw is vault
indigo scarab
Garden of eden cough cough
dull fox
M O N T Y P Y T H O N A N D T H E S E A R C H F O R T H E H O L Y G R A I L
indigo scarab
HAHHA
sleek sail
y e s
dull fox
Maybe during the last few years before the society collapsed they began sending the bravest warriors to find the source of ancient power and knowledge at the top of Eden
In an attempt to save their people from complete collapse
Or something
indigo scarab
radiation because theres 0 way primitive prairie would know about this
sleek sail
maybe eden used to be a city, but then it got ruined and they were trying to find treasure or whatever in the ruins?
indigo scarab
Ugh why cant you be like your brother forest or maybe even valley
dull fox
Sorta like Thomas Edison gave himself cancer with x-rays even After Nikola Tesla told him that it was dangerous
They didn’t know that the diamond on top of Eden was the source of their problems
And went to find it
Or they were trying to destroy it so they’d all stop getting space cancer from it
indigo scarab
I think maybe eden was a massive worshipping temple (hence the amount of scattered huge boats and the statues which you can light on ) which was flushed with flora.
dull fox
Yeah
And then some catastrophe happened which destroyed it and launched fragments of it into space
sleek sail
and then maybe the king took over and started to build something? hence the steel bar looking thing
indigo scarab
since in biblical stories (even though the cultures which inspired the game isn’t catholic) eden was a “perfect” place with large amount of beautiful flora and passive animals
dull fox
Maybe during the civil war they were fighting over knowledge and some source of power there, but some weapon they used in the process of claiming it destabilized the diamond and rained down destruction on everything surrounding it
Because there are trenches and tank spikes and all kinds of war related stuff scattered all the way up Eden
sleek sail
that makes a lot of sense
dull fox
They were fighting over the source of light and accidentally destroyed it
And I guess we just like worship it now or something and just go there for fun or to save the frozen bodies of our comrades
Or something
sleek sail
maybe the destruction of the diamond didn't reach vault bc of the large amounts of light stored there and just went straight to wasteland?
dull fox
The vault is seemingly buried underground
indigo scarab
Auu battery died
dull fox
Which is why it’s called a vault
Like fallout 4
It was made to store the information in the event of a catastrophe
sleek sail
or maybe wasteland was the center of most of their fighting until people decided to start fighting in eden instead
indigo scarab
i thought the vault was ascending into eden, since its a mountain and we are on top when we exit the vault))
dull fox
But notice that once you reach the top you’re back in the original starting room of the vault and it’s all destroyed
indigo scarab
OH DAMN i did not notice
dull fox
I think that your journey up the vault is just a hallucination given by the spirits
indigo scarab
The kid was tripping hahhah
dull fox
The vault and Eden were what was being fought over in the civil war
The city in the wasteland belonged to the people trying to protect it
indigo scarab
Maybe they wanted to destroy the records inside the vault
dull fox
That’s what winners of wars do
When the Spanish conquered the Mayans they destroyed every record they could find of them
indigo scarab
Dont think so tbh
The barracks were so close to the entrance
they were being pushed back to the point of them being overrun
dull fox
Even in ancient America the Incans would destroy the records and history of other people’s
indigo scarab
F
dull fox
They fought to protect from the very beginning but were losing
And were eventually destroyed
dull fox
And Eden along with it
sleek sail
i think maybe that wasn't their ultimate goal but they would've if they won
or it was kinda a side goal, along with taking over eden
dull fox
Yeah. Eden has some incredible power in it
And what does America start war for?
Oil
Therefore why wouldn’t other people start wars for power sources
indigo scarab
it was a civil war, im sure the both liked the eden temple but has different views on what to do with it
and they accidentally did a oopsie and killed everyone and themselves along with eden
dull fox
What if one faction saw the power in Eden and wanted to harness it to take over the world and the other tried to stop them
It would still be a civil war
indigo scarab
The plan just went into action much later because of the obvious preservation of valley, which is due to multiple generations living there
sleek sail
maybe valley was a neutral point, like the olympics
bc valley has a very sport-y vibe to it
dull fox
But one must wonder, why is there ruins scattered all the way down The Valley
indigo scarab
The culture evolved with each generation
sleek sail
they probably preserved the ruins much like we try to preserve ruins bc history
dull fox
What if it wasn’t meant to be a skiing place until after an avalanche or something came in and wiped out the town that was once built in The Valley
indigo scarab
Fighting became obsolete so they used it for sports. Also skiing and flying exist as a race sport
dull fox
And the later generations turned it into a recreational area
indigo scarab
Yep
dull fox
The arena was probably once used as a place of battle like how the romans did things but then the later generations decided peace was better after the war and turned it into a celebratory place after the races were won
dull fox
After the war there was a shift in culture
pliant raft
Why do you think there was a war before there was races?
dull fox
Because there is so much evidence of a war in the wasteland and all the way up Eden
Broken shields, tank spikes like this
Ruins
pliant raft
I feel like all the lands are different points in time, and we progress from valley (race, peace) to wasteland (war)
dull fox
And even down through The Valley there are ruins buried under the snow suggesting an avalanche turned The Valley into what it is today
indigo scarab
I thought that too but it would not make much sense
pliant raft
Why not @indigo scarab
dull fox
Because why would a people build a whole new city every time they become more technologically developed
pliant raft
Because humans haven't built cities everywhere?
dull fox
Every time their culture shifted a little bit they’d have to move out and start over
indigo scarab
Just in the bigger picture, it would not make much sense. How would valley operate if it has no diamond presses?
pliant raft
There's cities everywhere, we just go to different ones in different times
dull fox
Time travel?
pliant raft
hmmm idk, i thought id heard we exist outside of time
indigo scarab
Exporting and importing from forest using their large labor pool to pay for it by manufacturing other goods
dull fox
The way I see it, the island is a large circle
In the Center is Eden
With the advanced wasteland around that
Then The Valley and the general city Aries
Area
And then the forest which is more like a suburb
Then the plains which is like a countryside
pliant raft
They had to have been manufacturing in forest, else how would they get the dark rain?
dull fox
Then the isle of dawn which is the beach
sleek sail
i think the wasteland also might have had something to do with manufacturing, due to all the pipes and the polluted water
dull fox
In modern day cities the more advanced business areas are in the center
The factories, offices, etc are all in the center
Eden is the power source
Then as you move out you get to where people live and then eventually to farms
The pollution is all around the wasteland because that’s where the industrialized part was
indigo scarab
Back
pliant raft
hmmm, i imagine eden as a place where they made something they couldnt control, not the power source
indigo scarab
^
dull fox
The diamond is a powerful thing that appears to have gone wrong
indigo scarab
they tried making a big power source, it became unstable etc etc
pliant raft
and they were fighting over whether or not it should be made in wasteland
sleek sail
it could've been a power source, but then the ancestors got too greedy and did a Bad Thing
pliant raft
yes
dull fox
In the wasteland they were probably trying to produce a power source but then a war broke out between two factions and they accidentally destroyed it
Destabilizing it all
Causing it to fling rocks outward and create a massive storm
indigo scarab
Don’t see why valley would want a big diamond smack in the middle of a large city (if the civil war had not happened)
wasteland became wasteland before diamond was made
dull fox
...or afterwards but before the diamond was destabilized
I think the diamond was at one point stable and did indeed fuel the world
But then something happened and, like most radioactive disasters, a meltdown occurred
indigo scarab
Once again, architecture evolved to be more complex over time
sleek sail
maybe wasteland was industrialized so they could charge the diamond more efficiently
indigo scarab
Yeah
indigo scarab
It was industrialized during production of diamond
mellow sable
uh oh
indigo scarab
????
livid crypt
little bit of reset. you can reload
indigo scarab
ah
dull fox
Sorry
pliant raft
lol
mellow sable
so, big diamond in vault
dull fox
Yes
indigo scarab
okay haha i thought the entire chat was cleared since it glitched out for me
mellow sable
is it like the elephants foot
pliant raft
but anyway, yeah, manta in vault are ghost manta
mellow sable
and that's why they're ghost manta
dull fox
They probably were caught up in the war or something and now haunt the vault
pliant raft
they got partially light sucked and dont have real bodies
mellow sable
why do some spirits have wings and others don't?
dull fox
Ima yeet myself to go get some gutes Essen
sleek sail
i thought that maybe if the lorge diamond is like the elephant's foot, it might be located in the part of eden where you give away your winged light (which protects you kinda) and when you run out, that's why you "die" or whatever
mellow sable
can the winged spirits fly like the sky kids?
dull fox
Maybe
mellow sable
I think the red crystals are related to diamonds
indigo scarab
They are
mellow sable
broken diamonds that only suck up light
indigo scarab
Fragments of eden diamond, which is the only corrupt light example
eden diamond is, infact, a diamond
So yea
mellow sable
then Ragnarok makes sense too
indigo scarab
Are related
mellow sable
the rocks that fall down in the last part of eden are all fragments
and that's why the light disappears so fast
it's absorbed
mellow sable
what exactly is the eden diamond though
indigo scarab
If you go far enough
A corrupt giant diamond
Probably got as big as it got due to thermal expansion
mellow sable
oh, the big rift looking thing?
indigo scarab
idk what that is lol
mellow sable
do you have a picture of the diamond
indigo scarab
Which, eden diamond?
mellow sable
yeah
indigo scarab
Aughhh i just finished rebirth
mellow sable
😔
indigo scarab
I was helping moth thru eden haha
mellow sable
so
it would seem creatures of light are being sucked into the diamond
and krill also attack creatures of light
did the krill get corrupted by the eden diamond?
indigo scarab
Krill existed before eden diamond
Example: forgotten arch
Boat mural has krill and manta depicted
mellow sable
then what if it's the other way around
indigo scarab
So they probably existed before diamond
mellow sable
the krill corrupted the eden diamond
rocky estuary
do you still need a screenshot of the diamond?
mellow sable
yeah
indigo scarab
Hmmm maybe, but theres no proof for or against it, except that we have never seen a krill corrupt something else
rocky estuary
rocky estuary
I thought it was a rift... is it a physical thing?
it almost looks like a foggy landscape
mellow sable
yeah
so all the red crystals are from the eden diamond
and they suck up light
this means that potentially all the statues reset every week because of the diamond's influence
rocky estuary
also it makes sense that the krill existed before the diamond was corrupted, as they managed to survive and weren't annihilated when the diamond went bad
oh neat, hadn't thought of that
aside from the gameplay, interesting if it's a constantly resetting/endless struggle against something that's expanding or maintaining its influence
indigo scarab
It resets because skykids die there haha
mellow sable
what even ARE skykids though
mellow sable
and turning into a statue
but then that ALSO begs the question
what are winged light
are they like, the souls of sky kids?
rocky estuary
I thought it was imprints of the Child of Light that's up in Orbit
rocky estuary
but we're the skykids, we get reborn
sly kestrel
U got the imprints from the child of light correct
But idk about it being up on orbit
mellow sable
child of light?
indigo scarab
Starter kid :
😳
sly kestrel
Light had a baby
mellow sable
oh
indigo scarab
😳
mellow sable
so the light is an entity?
sly kestrel
Not light itself
rocky estuary
@sly kestrel talking about the shiny boi we meet post-Eden
mellow sable
I do wonder what lore purpose candles serve
rocky estuary
the one that needs a hug
slender spear
GUYS there's a krill in Ark
indigo scarab
Yes
indigo scarab
Behind the ark when you enter
slender spear
Literal krill xD
indigo scarab
Theres a krill in the background
slender spear
I'm guessing it's the one in the mural
mellow sable
probably the krill that shot down the ark
curious though
why is it called an ark?
indigo scarab
Big boat
mellow sable
forgotten comes from the fact it wasn't accessible until now
but an ark is like
a big boat housing life to go to a new land
indigo scarab
Yes that was what they were doing
slender spear
That's just Noah's ark?
mellow sable
the enchantment spirits do seem much different than the other ones
slender spear
But there were orbs there
mellow sable
arabian nights aesthetic
mellow sable
each light has a symbol too
slender spear
I want to know more about the symbols
night sleet
Is that krill able to interacte(krill) with you
mellow sable
indigo scarab
Red light and green light is still light just diffrent wavelengths
slender spear
Uh I was inches away from it but I didn't want to get krilled
mellow sable
the wizard symbol is the alchemical symbol of earth(?)
slender spear
I was messing around and got off the boat and flew up and there's a krill just chilling there and I came here right away lol
mellow sable
so we have symbols for water and earth
diamonds usually mean clarity
three wavy lines could be wind?
spiral and three orbs I have no clue
wait
three orbs
like the isle boat
there must be a reason why the last traveling spirit was at that spot
slender spear
OHHH THAT BOAT
mellow sable
?
slender spear
I didn't get what you were referring to lol
mellow sable
oh
sonic urchin
I’m 100% new here, and as such don’t know much, but on the matter of the symbols, the spirit said that the red light thrives in darkness. Maybe red/spiral is darkness and purple/diamond thing is light? That would make the others just the four elements
Also, the sprits holding the dark blue and green light are found near water and earth respectively
sly kestrel
I would say stuff but ehhhh it’s sort of a spoiler
coral quail
It’s very much a spoiler jay. Don’t say
What we do know is that the spirit with the blue light tried to use it on the dirty water, but failed
So there is a very clear connection between the blue light and water
sonic urchin
True
coral quail
So we could expect the same for the green earth light
sonic urchin
Right. And that guy was farming. Or, at least trying
coral quail
He succeeded I think
He scared off the crows at least
Although that dirty water couldn’t be good for his plants (better than no water at least)
Hey where can I find a good picture of the season art with the spirits holding the lights?
hushed steeple
There was a krill that was painted alongside the huge boat, and it’s in shambles and in the wasteland..
Maybe a krill attacked the boat or smth??
just thoughts tho
coral quail
Yes probably the krill in the entrance to the ark area is what took down the boat