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#lore-discussion-spoilers
fiery condor
woven tundra
beep boop
fiery condor
hjonk
woven tundra
No idea why, but i'm into this
hollow pier
The ark in concept art is so big in one example it stretches over two areas IIRC
sturdy gate
Same mural in isle and ark
The first one is inside the ark and the second one is at the beginning of isle
I’m silently waiting for someone to notice this
woven tundra
They prayed for the stars for a miracle?
Seems like a common drawing pose used by the spirit drawers?
sturdy gate
Yes but it’s the exact same mural
woven tundra
~~ i mean it could be the developers being lazy and just copying and pasting it ~~
heady sinew
They didn't lie when they said this seasons was impactful
sturdy gate
XDD
heady sinew
So we will get more details as days pass?
Today I did the red orb thingy and told me to come back in six days
Guess we gotta do the whole rainbow
woven tundra
Yeah, one of the things I don't like about the season
im unpatient
im social distancing
heady sinew
I want to get seasonal candles asap for the cool capes lol. But let's get back to theorizing
I noticed one of the boats is carrying all the orbs. This might be the fallen ark
woven tundra
Yeah we were talking about that
I was theorising that the people on that boat are the same people we are reliving it's memories of
heady sinew
Same here, tho they might have been the few survivors of the wreck
woven tundra
I wonder what the duplicates of the elemental orbs are for
warm fern
they only had one big boat so they had to transport the rest in smaller boats?
fiery condor
Not yet
But in some of the memories they were interacting with each other like fixing the ark, having fun around the deserted area, stuff like that
dull coral
flat flint
Anybody already deciphered the new murals?
wooden hazel
I'm not gonna to spoiler much but water will be purified (partially) in forgotten ark
flat flint
It looks like different elements inside some balls, and they break the ball with the asterisk (a star?)
dull coral
Is that it?
I don’t think that is what happened
Yes
The caves have some interesting drawings about this, using their jars on crabs in the water.
Maybe the thing you are talking about is later magic?
flat flint
What's your guys' take on the fact that they break only one element-containing orb, and it's not the diamond one (which everywhere else in the game is connected to the light) - a different element important to the story?
^ me too tbh
dull coral
I interpreted as the crabs were already there. And they tried to treat the crab with their light jars and made it worse because the crabs eat the light and get mad
This is what he means
flat flint
That mural, ty @dull coral
The diamond one tho, everywhere else diamond = light (albeit without a dot in the middle)
But here it's a different one? Then again, an asterisk is very similar to a star, aka light again
Yeah, so they release a different element?
Or maybe diamond with a dot is not the same as diamond without, but it seems odd as literally everywhere else diamond = light
Oh wait, yes
Especially since someone else before said that the guys with rice-field hats (the lightseekers) gave them elements
So chronologically it seems to go top to bottom
Yes
Well, he gave them the elements, and then he went home?
I wasn't playing during lightseeker season, I know nothing about that story
Yeah, someone said the rice-field hats are the lightseekers
Sure :)
All its left is waiting for the season to continue to see what they were trying to do with all those other elements
sick trellis
Why are there murals of the butterflies barrels in the ark ?
not IN the ark
But in the cave next to it
so murals probably made by the people that were in the ark
rustic elbow
This mural kind of looks like it’s of the megabird, but wasn’t it supposed to be removed from the game?
Well it does show the one spirit painting, so that’s possible
shrewd trout
So uh! I dunno if anyone brought this up yet, but I’m pretty sure that a krill knocked down the boat in the middle of the storm before the elders popped up at the lost ark.
This pops up in the back of the one big boat right after the mural where the people fell off the boat
mossy bay
Just expanding on the whole crab theory, from the murals that @dull coral posted earlier it looks like the crabs and the spirits weren’t bothered by each other both minding their own, the sky and the mantas seem calm. And then following that there are crabs pouring out of the water and the mantas are darting await with a large cloud looming over them and the spirits running away. I believe the dirty water corrupted the once normal crabs, the spirits noticed this one even tried to purify the water, which failed and led to the corruption of all crabs which later turns them against everyone
I’ really only just started looking at this page and all your theories have re-sparked my my interest in this game again! Thank you
south marlin
raw grail
Idk if this is anything big, but has anyone talked about how there’s birds seen in one of the spirits memories?
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Just something I wanted to bring up
Wdym?
hushed steeple
Is that the mega bird?
fiery condor
Possibly
warped reef
It does seem like it
raw grail
@hushed steeple I don’t think there’s any yet. Sorry for the late response, I didn’t quite understand your question.
dull coral
Maybe... I ran over that mountain yesterday and didn’t find anything.. but I wasn’t thorough
cedar oriole
Looks like they find the magic, and they want to bring the magic to help wasteland 
raw grail
it might have backfired though.
mossy bay
Okay so scratch my earlier crab theory I have another one which makes more sense.
The Line the crabs were standing on is the water level of the lake they lived in. I mistakenly thought it was the horizon because they are standing on it, but it makes sense. When there were only creatures in this area everything was fine and the land blossomed.
Slowly and slowly the spirits started to take from what already seems to be a very limited water source. Also notice that there are little clouds in the sky at this time which could mean that there was a drought, a long period of time without water and the spirits still kept using up the water.
Finally the water source had been exhausted and what was left of it had become murky and inhabitable for the crabs, who slowly watched the spirits ruin their home. The spirits attempted to purify the water but it didn’t work which then lead to the corruption of the crabs. The “stone” in the middle of the lake is actually another pot to carry water. The mantas flew away the the spirits ran away from the crabs who turned on them for ruining their home.
rustic elbow
I’m kind of wondering if the spirits didn’t accidentally create the krill, because there are the boat scenes with their elements, and the next mural counter clockwise has the krill
dull coral
That’s what I think
rustic elbow
Oh the crab idea is really good, maybe even the spirits poisoned the water on accident? I don’t have any basis for that though
This is the first time we’ve seen something like a farm (to my knowledge) and before this season the pots held butterflies, not water
Maybe something in the pots is beneficial to butterflies but pollutes water
mossy bay
My only guess is that the spirits used the water to grow and harvest their crops? But the failed attempt lead to both their demises?
I’m not sure about the clouds but I’m sure they have a deeper meaning especially the last picture
modest skiff
My friend Jiisama and I theorized that they are taking light/purity from the water to grow crops (maybe mushrooms)
They took too much light out of the water and it became impure
hard delta
We have to take into consideration that wasteland has a lot of broken ships, idk if their orgin was discussed
but spirits would have to take a loooot of water to dry that
modest skiff
Jiisama, you should send the timeline thing here
hollow pier
The timeline has been sent here before
I don't think the pots contained water, but light. In a previous live stream it's been confirmed that light coalesces directly into animals (this is where the giant praire mantas come from and the forest jellyfish) so pots are used for containing light
modest skiff
I still see so many people who haven’t read it though 😓
hard delta
Oh, I didn't know
hollow pier
modest skiff
<@&600489743716712458> can someone pin this?
hard delta
Yeah, please
livid crypt
oof ping mods to demand a pin??? 
hollow pier
It's lost way down inside a link inside a pin currently
whole quartz
Hey. Do you think the reason the crying spirit couldn’t break through the dark plants is because they had no cape?
I mean it’s a stretch, but when I did the no cape glitch, I could light candles, but I couldn’t melt any of the darkness. Perhaps the spirit and her friends got stuck and unable to break the plants because they had no winged light
modest skiff
Yikes
hollow pier
It would be nice if it had its own pin tbh
modest skiff
Yeah
exotic shuttle
we already have a lot of pins tho 
idk how many people go to the trouble of reading more than the first few
whole quartz
it would also explain why there’s so many dark plants, because if all the spirits had winged light, wouldn’t they be able to melt it? Surely the skykids would have as much darkness to deal with
modest skiff
Yeah but the timeline is like, the actual, canon backstory of the world
exotic shuttle
it is
hollow pier
Oh right, that reminds me, someone asked if the lights we see in the murals could be winged light-no.
In the first video with tgc commentary it's said that winged lights are imprints left by a Child of Light
So it's my theory that all the winged light we see are just imprints and then that glowy shiny boi we see in eden after dying is when we meet this Child of Light for the first time
exotic shuttle
Puecie that's a cool idea
i've noticed the thing where capeless kids can't burn plants too, i wondered if there could be a lore explanation
hollow pier
That timeline isn't canon, it's concept art still so it's ~almost~ canon
It lines up nicely with all confirmed canon however, so it might be canon we just don't know
whole quartz
I like to think the skykids are basically a plan X after all else fails to free the spirits
hushed steeple
Yup...once i was capeless and couldn't melt the dark creatures
exotic shuttle
i just had a thought - what if the winged light children each used to be inside the fallen statues in eden (just like we found a light child when we died, only our light child wasn't lost and hidden somewhere in the world)
whole quartz
Kinda like how I imagine God just coming to conclusions that everything has become one big mess and basically just sends Jesus down to try and fix it
hollow pier
I feel like this anchor is way too big for Forgotten Ark
@hushed steeple
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/701780437772533780/SKY_20200420_194808_.jpg
I believe you're correct, I've got a suspicion that the ark we're see in this new area is actually one of the smaller boats we see on the mural
I believe this because there's three different concept arts that mention a mega-ark that's so big it encompasses TWO areas
whole quartz
Skykids are tiny Jesus confirmed
So my theory is that skykids were created to save the spirits. They start out as hollow husks and learn individuality as a result of saving the spirits and learning about them
hard delta
I feel like they were sent to help Ancestors too
hollow pier
It's confirmed canon that winged light don't come from fallen statues in eden, and that skykids are a new subspecies of light-people
whole quartz
Skykids are sent to save, and end up dying for them
Jesus was sent to save, he also died for them
Both were sent down by a larger entity. I’m thinking that “God” in this case, is in fact not a physical being, but rather a force.
That force being whatever made the spacey area at the end of the game, and possibly the big bird
As Jesus was said to return, the skykids also return
hollow pier
I believe that spacey area at the end "Orbit" is inside the megabird because in the Ascent to Orbit at the end of that we approach the giant ball of light creatures and enter it
whole quartz
I’m not saying sky is based off the New Testament, but the parallels are suspicious
I wonder if the times before the main story are based off of the Old Testament
hollow pier
It's a reoccurring religious theme, rebirth. you're definitely not the first to notice the parallels there however
whole quartz
Oh thank god i thought I was gonna be seen as some religious extremist comparing a video game to Jesus
hard delta
I mean, creating new world out of nothing without making any similarities is kind of hard in a century when it seems like everything has been done already
whole quartz
But if the game is based off, or inspired by the Bible, then what if we use the Bible to predict and theorize about the past and eventual future?
hard delta
I wouldn't say it's based off Bible tho tbh
hollow pier
People have noticed correlations between the story of sky and a whole ton of other mythologies, not just the bible
hard delta
At least not enough to make such predictions
wind bone
There are many buddhist themes in this game
hard delta
Fire and people, that's greek
wind bone
The temples are stupas
whole quartz
I know it sounds far-fetched, but let’s just entertain the possibility that Sky is at the very least bible inspired. At least the storyline.
I also agree with the statements that mythologies have been mixed in as well
wind bone
The only explicitly bible thing in this game is the existence of eden
hard delta
And Ark
wind bone
I don’t think the ark in game is the same as Noah’s ark
hard delta
though I see this more as just symbols, since its more clear to call this ark than create new name and explain thatd basically ark
humble barn
@whole quartz you can make theories based on any religion, we often do that, and sometimes they sound plausible
hollow pier
Even Eden has a different name in the japanese version
Mochi, what's the name again?
wind bone
Original sin
humble barn
ya
hollow pier
Ah yes thank you Seraph 
hard delta
oh, wait, my bad, didn't realize that ark is basically name of a boat type
humble barn
the red rain part is called original sin, and the storm is called storm area
whole quartz
I’m thinking of actually making a chart of all the mythological and religious ties the game has
And of course, the game is basically Journey in some parts, so what if we use journey to understand the game as well?
hollow pier
Well the lore behind Journey is very different than the lore in Sky
wind bone
Sky and journey follow the hero’s journey but they’re not connected in any way
whole quartz
Ok then scrap Journey
rain olive
So where these spirits trying to get the holy Land but crashed
humble barn
lol
wind bone
rain olive
In the new season
whole quartz
Pff, the seasonal spirits tried to cheat their way to eden by using a big boat
hollow pier
In Journey light comes from a mountain and then the people build civilisation and technology and get greedy, stealing all the light from living things and the land until they start fighting each other for it then they die
warm fern
aaaahhhhh the thing the demon crabs are surrounding is a jar
I can go to sleep in peace now
humble barn
have a nice dream with a jar and crabs
whole quartz
something caused skykingdom civilization to fall, and I’m guessing it must be an outside source, unlike Journey.
rain olive
So Eden is the holy land
hollow pier
In Sky light comes from Orbit, the people of Sky build technology from light and dark stone trees and they build the Eye (giant white diamond in eden) which breaks and is probably what creates the storm which in turn destroys their civilisation
hard delta
What are those dark stones tho?
whole quartz
Ah, so accidental
hard delta
Sorry if that's basic
warm fern
it’s odd but I always got the impression that Sky was about misusing resources and irreversible climate change
wind bone
Dark stone is made from living creatures
hollow pier
Wait when did we learn canon dark stone is made from living things
whole quartz
Ho boy. So if living creatures were killed, then either they killed each other or animals
warm fern
dark stone as in the shiny red stuff in eden?
hard delta
Boi, that definitely is worthy of its name
wind bone
The light creatures are captured in prarie and shipped to forest, where the dark stone is then created and refined
The dark stone in eden is unstable
Which is why it’s volatile
warm fern
ohh the diamonds are dark stone?
whole quartz
So then there must be something in forest resembling machinery or an altar to convert the creatures to dark stones
hollow pier
But how do we canon know that dark stone is made from living things
wind bone
It’s shown off with the murals in game
hollow pier
Oh wait, dark stone just refers to their diamonds
humble barn
@whole quartz sending this in behalf of Jay-san https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/700248882558271498
hard delta
Wait, so crabs weren't stucked in jars bc they are not light creatures?
hollow pier
If by dark stone=power diamonds then 100% they use creatures of light to make dark stone
wind bone
Yeah it’s all just dark stone
whole quartz
Aaaaaah I see
wind bone
And the creation of it caused corruption of the land
rain olive
So the forest elder caused this
warm fern
yea I got used to Jay calling them power diamonds so I wasnt sure at first what dark stone was
hollow pier
I was referring to the trees they used to make dark stone, terminology confusion there
wind bone
The sludge in wasteland is the waste of production
And darkstone plants started growing in forest
rain olive
But there's darkness in isle
hollow pier
And in Valley temple
wind bone
There’s darkness everywhere
But there’s more in the places it originated
There are also crabs near the darkness in valley
rain olive
Is there darkness in vault
wind bone
Yes
rain olive
I haven't seen any
hard delta
Yes
sick trellis
And the forest elder corrupted themselves, and we give them the light
warm fern
darkness feeding off the butterflies?
rain olive
Where is the darkness in vault
wind bone
There are crabs in vault
hard delta
@rain olive there is chamber unlocked by a few players
wind bone
The corruption reached everywhere
hollow pier
We give light to all of the elders not just the forest elder
wind bone
In the archives
rain olive
I was just meaning dark plants
hollow pier
We can see how the elders light up in the same way that sky kids light up when their flame goes out
wind bone
There aren’t plants in eden but there’s still darkness
rain olive
But isle and valley seem to be the least corrupted
wind bone
Isle wasn’t really a part of the civilization
hollow pier
because neither isle nor valley were harvested like the other worlds were
wind bone
It was a place for people to be ferried off to the kingdom after falling from the sky
warm fern
do we know why plants don’t grow in eden?
heady sinew
Isle Elder seems to guide the birds in the same direction to Prairie
hard delta
Yea, it slowly goes from family friendly place to a literal storm
wind bone
Tbh none of sky is really family friendly if you look closer lol
heady sinew
I can't look at Sky the same way after seeing all the theories ngl
rain olive
I didn't think a mobile game could have such deep lore
hard delta
But the surrounding looks family friendly until you realize everyone who lived there before you is dead
hollow pier
@wind bone What do you think about krill being corrupted krabs and that's what Ash meant by the krab walkcycle mimicing something
wind bone
Moths playing: wow pretty lights!
The game: the world you are exploring is a dead civilization. This is what happens when you choose violence and greed. soon you will see the true horrors of what the ancestors have done.
Krill can’t be corrupted crabs because crabs are already corrupted
heady sinew
Wasn't darkness natural??
rain olive
I also like games that just drop you in and don't tell you anything
hollow pier
How do we know canon that krabs are already corrupted
wind bone
Where there’s light there will always be darkness
The crabs are literally covered in it
heady sinew
Like, it already existed in the natural cycle of the world of Sky before the spirits arrived
hollow pier
That could just be how krabs grow
heady sinew
Just, not so strong lol
wind bone
They exploited the darkness
heady sinew
Exactly
rain olive
Its sad to see some of the spirits last memories
wind bone
No what the crabs are covered in is not natural and wherever you see that stuff it’s always due to corruption
You see it on plants, krill, and even yourself
hard delta
Why is krill so light on murals though
rain olive
I wonder what crabs looked like before corruption
wind bone
If it were dark you wouldn’t be able to see the krill
hard delta
like, does it matter whether creature is filled with light or outlined?
wind bone
Nah
heady sinew
It's just shiny paint
hard delta
ah, i see
heady sinew
What concerns me is that we will encounter a Krill in the season haha
warm fern
could the ancestors have engineered crabs into krill?
lilac stone
Krill?
humble barn
tuna king
hard delta
It has horns
hollow pier
We haven't had the livestream on dark creatures yet I don't think we can confirm that krabs are corrupted, I also feel like I remember dev saying that krabs were natural to the world of sky but that might be faulty memory
heady sinew
The artist who painted the ark must have seen a Krill and thought "interesting, lemme paint that real quick"
rain olive
Would krill even have bones
heady sinew
Mega Krill
hollow pier
That image is of the whale, the one we see between valley and wasteland, in the forest caves and on our way to orbit
hard delta
Also, is it said what is origin of skeletons in wasteland?
lilac stone
It's in forest
hard delta
Whale
@hushed steeple is that confirmed?
rain olive
This whale
hard delta
Oh
humble barn
yeah it's the whale, confirmed by Jenova himself
rain olive
The horns match
hard delta
That explains a lot
lilac stone
Oh
heady sinew
If I remember correctly there was a theory that said the shipwreck in wasteland (not the Ark) was attacked by a giant Krill. (some "giant Krill horn" or something like that)
warm fern
so there are even bigger creatures that once existed, whose bones are now in the graveyard?
pearl void
I bump that whale so many time in valley, it is made of steel!
humble barn
yeah there was
pearl void
Well the Ark i think was attacked by the krill, there's one krill hanging over there tho he is not looking for prey
hollow pier
The skulls in the graveyard don't match, they match turtle skulls but they're not
That's canon at least
warm fern
is it possible to get hugged by the ark krill
hollow pier
I can't see what ash said about floating islands, it mustn't have been in the lore channel
@heady sinew that's my theory! I noticed that there's two giant horns piercing the shipwreck right where the ship splits
humble barn
"something something floating islands" was from Pines account
lilac stone
I think krills might have been kind of a defense system
humble barn
same person
lilac stone
They don't look like living beings
hollow pier
@pearl void in the ark murals it looks like it was lightning that capsized the ships
lilac stone
They look like machines
lilac stone
You don't see a fish shoot lasers out of its eyes everyday
humble barn
Tachikoma is a robot appear in Ghost in the Shell
pearl void
@hollow pier ohhh imma go check the mural
Is there any story behind this current season?
lilac stone
I think it was made to target light
hollow pier
the story behind this season is the ark was carrying resources then it crashed and the spirits there had to survive isolated from the rest of their civilisation
lilac stone
The crabs too
pearl void
It seems like the ship broke, and the spirits were stranded and trying to make living by collecting mushroom and cultivating crops etc
humble barn
@hushed steeple ikr! and they can jump like Sky crabs
hollow pier
that's surrounded by a lot of toxic water
lilac stone
I think the ancestors were experimenting with crabs
heady sinew
If the giant horns piercing the shipwreck are still there the entire giant Krill might be buried
humble barn
@hushed steeple i only knew a little, but watched Youtube videos of tachikoma after we got Ash riddles on crabs
hollow pier
Ah yes that reminds me @heady sinew that's the other thing that made me think the LARGER ark is hidden beneath the sand @hushed steeple
heady sinew
Exactly, maybe there is a bigger ark like Hage said
The one that has the element spheres
pearl void
I think the ancestors were experimenting with crabs
@lilac stone i think they try to catch it and maybe eat it, like the rest of the team, planting crops and finding mushroom to eat, but the crabs are just impossible to catch because they attack people
heady sinew
Probably natural elements like light, water, earth and fire
hollow pier
However @heady sinew I went REALLY close to a krill one day to get a screenshot of their horns up close and they look different than the "horns" piercing the shipwreck
@hushed steeple respectively: earth, wind?, water, ???, knowledge/spirit?, fire
lilac stone
I think the crabs might be what must be controlling a krill
It twiches like a krill does
worthy blaze
@heady sinew yeah I was thinking it was the elements as well.
hard delta
Im not sure, but base of murals it looks like air, light, water, clouds probably, dark stone i think, fire
pearl void
Speaking of those elements.... What does these represent?
@hushed steeple i can see fire, water, wind and earth, another 2 idk
worthy blaze
@pearl void I think 1 of them in light
humble barn
https://discordapp.com/channels/575762611111592007/632004389137154048/697556839260487731
Psychic, Illusion/Conjuring, Fire, Water, Air, Earth
heady sinew
Here's my interpretation, in order of depiction:
Dark stone (crossed off triangle. Dark stones are corrupted power diamonds)
Wind
Water
Idk, Spiral thingy
Earth (this logo looks crab shaped too lol)
Fire
lilac stone
I think krill aren't really organisms
hard delta
The crossed triangle is air
hollow pier
vibatu the crossed triangle represents earth energy
lilac stone
Perhaps ancestors were makeing them
hard delta
heady sinew
Ooh alright
hollow pier
It may alchemically represent air but in sky it represents earth energy
lilac stone
Maybe the skin from sands of the GW?
hollow pier
because of what happens when we collect it and release it in the coming weeks
lilac stone
Their skeletons might be metal
heady sinew
Krill are not artificial (I think this was confirmed?)
lilac stone
Maybe they are
Look at their targetting systems
If they aren't artificial, what are they?
They obviously aren't light creatures
Can we debate on about their skin?
heady sinew
I think that's mostly for gameplay mechanics. If they had normal pheriperical vision like a real life predator then Sky Kids would get krilled 24/7
lilac stone
Dark
Like the slough
Doesn't dark absorb more light and heat?
And maybe their skin is slough mixed with sand
To absorb more light and heat
Sand also absorbs light and heat
Think!
hard delta
Well their name is also dark dragons
warm fern
he also clearly can’t see me even though I’m on the neighbouring peaks
lilac stone
To extinguish anyone who comes to steal the mysterious thing they are protecting?
hard delta
Since krills have one eye, their vision field is much smaller
lilac stone
WHAT are they protecting?
warm fern
if they’re intelligent, they’re not very
hollow pier
Oh! On the earlier topic of the holy land, these are the two concept arts that mention it
pearl void
Ok with some google here what i came across
I think the spiral make sense
So it might be wisdom
hollow pier
lilac stone
Krills are machines!
heady sinew
They would cluster in one spefic area if they were protecting something
They seem to have a wandering behaviour
hollow pier
krills may not be machines they might have just been trained guard creatures of light before they got corrupted
lilac stone
There might be multiple of those things
warm fern
could the ancestors have been trying to exploit that holy land?
sleek sail
maybe they were made to protect something, but then the something was taken/stolen and now they just wander with no purpose?
hard delta
Well, who would make them if they were machines? And if they were made by ones of light, why would they attack other light creatures
hard delta
Crabs are mad bc spirits stole their water
lilac stone
Maybe the first stars might have made them
heady sinew
This sounds crazy and I'm stretching a lot but if the Krill are looking for something specific (while also looking for food, aka light).
What if they're looking for their leader, the Giant Krill we mentioned before that might have been responsible for the shipwreck
sleek sail
@hard delta i'm thinking they now attack other light creatures bc when whatever they're protecting was taken/destroyed somehow, they got corrupted as well?
warm fern
yea wasteland crabs are mad about the overuse of water resources
lilac stone
That might be the reason!
warm fern
why are forest crabs mad tho
heady sinew
Possibly, I doubt anything would survive buried underneath tons of sand and water
lilac stone
The giant krill could be a type of hivemind?
Controlling other krill?
Then when it died
heady sinew
More like Queen bees, their presence calms their working bees.
hard delta
I don't think so, that seems stretched
lilac stone
They just wander around now?
pearl void
The krill are attracted to light, the ship uses diamond that stored light to move, so the krill charge it, my idea on why the krill attack the ship
heady sinew
Yeah, it's a far stretch I'm making.
lilac stone
Because their brains have become to act like zombies?
hard delta
No, i mean, that's stretched a bit ^
lilac stone
Also maybe they were once creatures of light!
Maybe!
Now they are looking to replenish their own light!
hollow pier
if krill are corrupted elder mantas (like living versions of the spirit whales in vault) maybe those giant horns in shipwreck came from a corrupted whale fibsh/tuna king
hard delta
Base of the concept storyline, krills are dark creatures that attacked ark and were defeated, I mean that's at least what I understood from the line
lilac stone
Krill are looking to replenish their light
heady sinew
Would love to keep theorizing but my battery is at 3% 
lilac stone
Could krill be another species
Not mantas
Notice how the krill attacked that one manta?
warm fern
“unrecognizable” would mean that whatever creature got corrupted like this would have almost no similarities to their original form
hollow pier
In a different concept art we see that the tuna king played the role of a merchant the way the spirits do in our constellations, and that they played a role as elders giving knowledge to the previous generation of Sky people has this been discussed much? @humble barn @sly kestrel
mossy bay
I agree, definitely believe the krills are corrupted whale fish
They are just as large as their bones
And their are only a few/ just one uncorrupted whales left
humble barn
@hollow pier I think i don't know that art
hollow pier
It's in the tomcepts I think?
humble barn
not in the timeline one?
humble barn
i don't think it's been discussed, at least not much
hard delta
Omg those hair
warm fern
I’m glad we don’t have to use up any currency to open doors
hard delta
That would be cruel
sly kestrel
Didn’t even bother to back read, who pinged me?
warm fern
are mote batteries the early concept for butterfly jars
sly kestrel
What’d u say Hage?
hollow pier
In a different concept art we see that the tuna king played the role of a merchant the way the spirits do in our constellations, and that they played a role as elders giving knowledge to the previous generation of Sky people has this been discussed much?
off topic, I want these in game
I want them so bad
hard delta
Onde day in DP, I hope
humble barn
it says pathmakers so probably they have been replaced by the gates we have now
warm fern
floating rings look like they might have turned into those orreries in citadel
humble barn
but who knows, maybe we can have those cool ones in the future
sly kestrel
Wanna kno what I want?
hollow pier
yyessss
sly kestrel
THIS 😁
cosmic portal
I kinda wish they stuck to the king being in eden
hard delta
this would be 100% darker if there were king
humble barn
that Eden king reminds me of Sleeping Beauty
warm fern
this king looks like he has a krill spotlight on his face
hollow pier
Ahahahaha yesss jay I saw that and thought about what we missed out on, it looks soooo much fun, as do the wasteland turrets here
sturdy gate
How do you get all that art
humble barn
tomcepts
sturdy gate
I know but from where
hollow pier
@sturdy gate check out the pinned messages
humble barn
Could the art of tuna king and morts Jiisama posted mean there was a plan to make Sky with no humanoid creature except skykids
sly kestrel
Over there 👉🏼
hollow pier
The third pinned message from Miriam, the bottom link
humble barn
we know elders were once non-humanoid
hollow pier
Wait we do? Ohhh you mean in concept art how some of the elders had like animal heads
sturdy gate
Yup
hard delta
Would be cool, though it doesn't fit "sky"
humble barn
yeah Jiisama, devs said at some point in development all the elders looked like animals
sly kestrel
She was based on a fox
Last time I talked about it....nagati got mad
But she was based on a fox
humble barn
Forest elder was said to be based on lynx but it appears to be also based on the nine-tail fox
sly kestrel
Ye
humble barn
why mad lol
sly kestrel
Count the number of braids she has as well
humble barn
nine
Animals in sky are not supposed to be exactly the same as what we see irl
So I think it's quite possible Devs sometimes used more than one reference when creating a Sky being
plucky plank
Hey
slender spear
Krilk 🥛
humble barn
i dunno what did you do lol
slender spear
Never had that tbh
spice kernel
I remember there was once a ping on what would happen if Krills were in an environment with excess light
Can't find it but
I do remember
plucky plank
So, wait the first Krill was a Whale that had to live in an environment deprived of light?
spice kernel
So, here's how it goes:
So, wait the first Krill was a Whale that had to live in an environment deprived of light?
@plucky plank not sure about krills being whales
plucky plank
And why do we call them Whales when they're not really whales?
spice kernel
But anywaysssss
plucky plank
Why?
spice kernel
Becuz sky is a different world and we can call cats dogs?
slender spear
What do whales even look like sry 
humble barn
Hey I was making a theory of Animal Crossing: Sky Awaits😂
spice kernel
Das a whale
Anywayssss x2
As most of you have already known, creatures of light recharge your energy
plucky plank
Yeah
spice kernel
As a being of light, light strengthing light is logical, correct?
slender spear
While dark does the opposite!
sick trellis
Yes that's how other players can give you light
spice kernel
Before I go ahead into detail with the creatures of light
Let's go back to some real world history
sick trellis
Yes only the rains and the polluted wated
plucky plank
Fasten your seatbelts everyone, seems like we're in for a ride!
spice kernel
Back long ago (Idk exactly when, not very good at this subject), those small dragonflies were as big as a car, possibly even bigger
slender spear
💺
spice kernel
That was thanks to the amount of condensed oxygen, allowing them to grow big and strongk or smth
plucky plank
Back long ago (Idk exactly when, not very good at this subject), those small dragonflies were as big as a car, possibly even bigger
@spice kernel That can't be true...can it?
spice kernel
It's that, but with creatures of light and light instead
sick trellis
@spice kernel That can't be true...can it?
@plucky plank it is x)
spice kernel
@spice kernel That can't be true...can it?
@plucky plank unfortunately, it is UwU
plucky plank
No, please
spice kernel
Anyways (I use this transition too much...),
plucky plank
Giant dragonfly...that's kinda scary
spice kernel
Creatures of Light absorb light, giving them white and yellow colors. Those as most would consider colors resemblance of brightness, luminosity and welp... LIGHT.
slender spear
dinosaur light creatures 👀
spice kernel
Due to the fact that there's so much L around them, they'll have to release some in turn so as to not be overloaded with LIGHT
That is where the thing with creatures of LIGHT recharging our energy comes in
They're releasing light as excess for is to a b s o r b
Now... let us take another dive into the real world.
Black Holes...
slender spear
NANI
spice kernel
Let us talk about the Ergosphere
plucky plank
The ergo what now?
spice kernel
Most aho have done research on black holes would at least know that 1: It has a singularity where all of it's mass is stored
2: it has an event horizen, where anything that passes can never return
slender spear
Black holes happen when stars release a bunch of energy?
spice kernel
The ergosphere appears only in a spinning blackhole, if time and space is distorted in the event horizen due to it's sheer gravitational force and you're still able to enter and leave the ES, that means that time and space is only half distorted there
Getting into more detail will fill this channel up with sorta off topic things so I'll get to the point from now
You can make a deal with a black hole. Drop in tons of mass to take some rotational force from the ES and gain the larger benefit. And that's much more energy in turn for the black hole slowing down a bit
Now we take that and apply it to creatures of light! :p
Something I forgot to mention was that with each extra piece of information given to a black hole, it grows bigger to accommodate that information. Creatures of light constantly absorb light, and grow bigger the more they absorb
It's like with those big yeeting and kidnapping mantas in Prairie
While normal mantas which are much smaller can recharge us, big boi mantas can recharge us faster and can even carry us all the way up
That thing where you traded mass with the blackhole for more force is like with the manta, only... kinda reversed :/
Manta gib u light and then propels u
It has too much LIGHT
On the over hand, Krills live in an environment with absolutely no light at all
They crave for it, just like how black holes succ in mass and EBERITHING aroundddd
Black holes happen when stars release a bunch of energy?
@slender spear Star collapses on it's own weight under huge gravitational force iirc
slender spear
*mass
spice kernel
That's why Krills will attack anything it sees that has light, mantas and Skykids
Yes, they are different i think ;-;
But not things like crabs which have no light as well
A theory here would be that if Krills were put in an environment like Daylight Prairie
spice kernel
With tons of light, even excess
ruby wave
Frozen 2 ship is the forgotten arc and u cannot change my mind
spice kernel
It'll A B S O R B it and gain a brighter color scheme, white and yellow
hushed steeple
krill would bloom
fierce lichen
@ruby wave ok but where are their parents
spice kernel
Yesssss
modern fulcrum
dead
ruby wave
So similar 
spice kernel
Hold on-
hushed steeple
it will become light dragon
modern fulcrum
they ask whats buried in the sand at the ark
thick isle
That’s a really cool theory
ruby wave
It even has the dead trees
spice kernel
I think I went overboard on explaining something that was short ;-;
modern fulcrum
they are
fierce lichen
Elsa cape Elsa cape Elsa cape
spice kernel
YEET
hushed steeple
giant white shrimps
spice kernel
That's why I never dwell in this channel
ruby wave
Annnd it would make so much sense who the spirits are
modern fulcrum
hey did you guys already talk abt the murals on the ship and in the cave
fierce lichen
wait so the devs never gave an actual lore before 😳
slender spear
Where my white shrimps at?
ruby wave
They are the spirits from frozen who became angry with the humans
spice kernel
HoOmans
modern fulcrum
tbh viv that makes sense but the copyright
ruby wave
;-;
plucky plank
@spice kernel First of all, what can I call you?
spice kernel
But yes Green and Smorty, I went overboard and explained a bunch of Irrelevant things didn't I?
ReLaxi's my usual username
I've been camping in #questions-and-help lately so I changed it to this for the sake of the veteran guides
modern fulcrum
so can i ask abt why your nickname is scroll up before you ask
slender spear
xD
sleek sail
scroll up before you ask
plucky plank
Alright ReLaxi, I applaud you before making any comments.
spice kernel
Eheheheh
plucky plank
I feel I need to slow clap you
modern fulcrum
anyway i wanted to talk abt the murals on the boat or in the cave
spice kernel
Yes, you do
slender spear
It makes sense
modern fulcrum
so whenever you guys do that lmk
spice kernel
That was horribly presented
lilac stone
Have you ever noticed that whenever you go near a creature of light you get replenished?
plucky plank
But since this is chat and I can't, I'll just say I'm slow clapping you
hushed steeple
what about crab
modern fulcrum
ill be here just vibing
spice kernel
Have you ever noticed that whenever you go near a creature of light you get replenished?
@lilac stone SCROLL UP BEFORE YOU ASKSINRKFOSNGOSPDO
hushed steeple
if krill is extreme darkness, crab?
plucky plank
Second off, is this fanfic?
lilac stone
BRUH
spice kernel
Oh well
modern fulcrum
this is lore
hushed steeple
spirit manta?
slender spear
How come we can't pick up the crabs at the Ark 👀
lilac stone
The krill are distorted mantas
spice kernel
Most would simply say they're dead mantas
modern fulcrum
i can pick up the crabs
spice kernel
Who got Krilled
hushed steeple
they have a s c en ded
modern fulcrum
i carried them all the way to the farm
spice kernel
OH YES 606
lilac stone
Kind of like they were fresh apples
plucky plank
@spice kernel ?
lilac stone
But then they met the storm
spice kernel
Too late now anyways
slender spear
GO ON
modern fulcrum
wait theres one thing i need to confirm
lilac stone
It turned them into beasts, extinguishing their light
Normally they should die
But no
plucky plank
@spice kernel I still have questions but I'll give you a chance to answer other people's
modern fulcrum
did the elders get kicked out of eden for the damage they caused?
lilac stone
The energy of the storm was so intense
spice kernel
Power of Willpower saved us Skykids from being transformed into Crabs XD
lilac stone
It turned them into krills
modern fulcrum
i need to know bc it ties into what i think abt the murals
lilac stone
A dark creature
spice kernel
did the elders get kicked out of eden for the damage they caused?
@modern fulcrum according to a story I've heard, yes. That should be so. But not many knew that it was them
ruby wave
Nu because they show up in orbit
modern fulcrum
okay thanks
spice kernel
Ofc, I'm not good with lore as previ9usly mentioned many times
modern fulcrum
now i can think in full force
ruby wave
lilac stone
Before eden was such HORRIBLE
hushed steeple
what did the elders do
spice kernel
🍿
lilac stone
lUNATIC
slender spear
elders exploited light power
lilac stone
place
modern fulcrum
the elders destroyed the worlds for blue shiny
modern fulcrum
they fracked for power diamonds
lilac stone
It was kind of a heaven
modern fulcrum
and completely messed up everything
ruby wave
Basically they mined diamonds
modern fulcrum
the diamonds became unstable and exploded
lilac stone
But the elders might have done something sinister
modern fulcrum
aka became the red rocks
hushed steeple
red rocc?
ruby wave
:0
slender spear
Isn't it just one big Red diamond?
ruby wave
And butterflies
sleek sail
@hushed steeple the ones that s u c c your energy in eden
hushed steeple
ow
sleek sail
and manta rays too
hushed steeple
i haven't been to eden before
spice kernel
Oof
sleek sail
oh oof
plucky plank
In one of the theories I read, Eden was actually the goal because it was booming with light. There was a king who ruled over the light people and he wanted to harvest the light so he built a huge crystal (Eye of Eden) and built the red crystals around to stabilize it. But things went wrong and the red crystals interfered with the process and blew the whole thing up.
spice kernel
Many spoilers for Smorty
modern fulcrum
they stuffed butterflies in wax sealed jars and ground them into energy
plucky plank
No we can't.
slender spear
NANI
hushed steeple
am going bacc to gen chat
am getting mega spoiled here
spice kernel
Sad :<
lilac stone
What beach kids
hushed steeple
see ya wen i actually go in eden
spice kernel
You don't know of them?
lilac stone
I don't know about the beta lol
plucky plank
We have to finish the talk about Krills first, then we move on to dead beach kids.
hushed steeple
dead beach kids?!
spice kernel
Yes
modern fulcrum
oh from what i heard abt eden, it was a good place and the elders and everyone lived there. the elders attempted to get more energy fast so they started harvesting the diamonds, which backfired. the elders and spirits left eden for safety, and when the eye exploded they all died
spice kernel
They were confirmed to be dead due to one of them lying stilk and face down in the sand
hushed steeple
D:
lilac stone
DID I MISS SOMETHING
slender spear
Today's spirit?
hard delta
There is concept timeline, have you seen it?
slender spear
xD
plucky plank
This is gonna sound harsh, and I'd hate to burst the bubble around the theory...but when children of light lose light they turn to stone, not dark, light-hungry creatures. And when a Manta is surrounded by dark plants it is stuck in place with its light seemingly weak or turned off... Do you see where I'm going with this?
ruby wave
Y does old beta look so coooool
spice kernel
Even if dead beach kids is a normal topic for this channel
Mm yeah..
I have noticed it
modern fulcrum
the skykids arent pure light or light creatures
spice kernel
But wait-
modern fulcrum
theyre a mix
spice kernel
About the Skykids
ruby wave
Are we just golems
modern fulcrum
skykids are light and dark
spice kernel
POWER OF THE WILL
modern fulcrum
a balance meant to restore balance
hushed steeple
and stone is balance?
spice kernel
WILLPOWER, LOVE, FRIENDSHIP. ALL WILL COME TO THE RESCUE
plucky plank
Yes, I knew that was gonna come up that's why I mentioned the manta stuck in darkness which is supposedly a pure light creature.
spice kernel
Stone is heavier than light.
slender spear
didn't skykids come from the stars?
modern fulcrum
stone is balance ig
spice kernel
I can say that for sure
spice kernel
didn't skykids come from the stars?
@slender spear a theory was that we're somehow related to the main character of journey
ruby wave
Just made out of wax that becomes stone when you cool down
spice kernel
Getting so caught up in this channel already
modern fulcrum
i have alot of stuff i want to say abt skykids and what i think but im busy so ill be back later
well what was your question
you didnt make it clear
spice kernel
I feel like we're minions of the elders and spirits...
modern fulcrum
exactly relaxi
spice kernel
Our job is to gather candles
spice kernel
Throughout the realms, send them back to the elders for their own usage
slender spear
I can't stop thinking about the Forest elder cutscene
spice kernel
Wait hold on
modern fulcrum
im assuming the kids in eden who are stuck didnt have enough light to ascend
plucky plank
If Manta stay stuck in dark plants but with only weak/loss of light as an effect, how can Krills have been light creatures turned dark with the lack of light?
spice kernel
They are DISTORTED mantas
modern fulcrum
no
modern fulcrum
i dont believe that
lilac stone
@plucky plank the storm
modern fulcrum
i think
ruby wave
Krill are giant pieces of lint?
hard delta
Thwy are said to be corrupted whales
lilac stone
It's intensity
ruby wave
With a marble stuck in it
lilac stone
It turned them into what they are today
granite plaza
I thought they were crabs that got caught in the storm
hard delta
plucky plank
Honestly not trying to burst the bubble, I like the theory of Krills being light creatures turned dark but I can't say I am convinced with the method
modern fulcrum
i think that krills are simply krill
spice kernel
After the light from that powdwr stopped becoming of use, they threw it away? The vengeful spirit of those butterflies (I question this part myself too ._.) embodied the ashes, concentrating them into Krills?
hushed steeple
maybe it only happens in storm
modern fulcrum
if theres light creatures, there must be dark
hushed steeple
that's why the mantas don't turn into krill
modern fulcrum
its a balance
spice kernel
Butterflies knew how to fly so that could explain Krills flying..?
modern fulcrum
one can’t exist without the other
hard delta
Yeah, thats concept that almost made it into game, before company abandonned putting King in to Eden
spice kernel
And yet, the other destroys the... other.
plucky plank
@spice kernel Dead kids on the beach represent miscarriages since the beach is the level of rebirth. BOOM!
ruby wave
You think 
turned into 
hard delta
it was posted here few times today
spice kernel
OH MY GOD SHADY
plucky plank
Sorry.
lilac stone
@plucky plank watdefok
spice kernel
Yes, for some reason ._.
lilac stone
Miscarriages
modern fulcrum
ofc the dark seeks to destroy the light
but without the light, the dark would die
spice kernel
Sorry.
@plucky plank was a nice joke that made me laugh but uhhh... rather disturbing
spice kernel
And light seeks to mend dark?
slender spear
OOF
spice kernel
OOF
modern fulcrum
makes sense to me
slender spear
Jinx
lilac stone
lOL
spice kernel
Oi
plucky plank
@plucky plank was a nice joke that made me laugh but uhhh... rather disturbing
@spice kernel Well, dead skykids on a shore is a disturbing image. Also, I wasn't joking 🙂
lilac stone
Wait
spice kernel
We can post eden oics freely, correct?
lilac stone
Can the children be the children of the stars themselves?
modern fulcrum
yes
lilac stone
Huh?
ruby wave
Ok hear me out.. krill = burnt wormonastring
spice kernel
Was thinking of that too
lilac stone
The krill might be a whale after all
modern fulcrum
the skykids are part dark, part light
lilac stone
modern fulcrum
the light part is the part like the elders, connected to megabird
lilac stone
Lol
modern fulcrum
the dark part is what keeps them grounded, and keeps a balance
lilac stone
Disconnected whale
modern fulcrum
allowing them to restore balance
also if you want to see a picture of the skykids and megabird constellation in eden, i have that
ruby wave
I think skykids are just a vessel that we control until we cannot use it anymore so we “die” and find a new vessel
spice kernel
I feel like this is linked to something... considering the fact that you're doing splits as you fall down, that'd be pretty painful. Although, Skykids don't feel pain. Do they? When they get Krilled or has their light extinguished, their honk sounds like a desperate cry for help..
I think skykids are just a vessel that we control until we cannot use it anymore so we “die” and find a new vessel
@ruby wave rebrith = cloning! :0
lilac stone
What if the light inside them are child of a star
spice kernel
I'd say otherwise
plucky plank
What are the elders?
ruby wave
Maybe we are getting played and there’s some sort of sky monika character that will break the wall
lilac stone
But what about their spirits
hard delta
I don't think that skykids are here to restore balance, weren't they sent to help fallen to rise?
spice kernel
Elders ar ebig people in the cutscenes
plucky plank
Are they the same as skykids but...skyadults?
modern fulcrum
oh wait i forgot something
sick trellis
Nope shady
modern fulcrum
the skykids seem to be made of clay
ruby wave
Elders are the GIANT spirits at the end of each level
spice kernel
Considering their mask, yes
modern fulcrum
im assuming thats how theyre able to be both light and dark
sick trellis
They do x)
spice kernel
But could you explain how clay could possibly fly and how it has realistic moving and bopping hair??
ruby wave
EASY
sick trellis
Yes they do look like a light vessel
ruby wave
DIAMONDS
modern fulcrum
and the skykids are restoring balance by freeing the trapped kids, and releasing the ancestors spirit
slender spear
It kinda explains the light on their chests
spice kernel
OwO
plucky plank
To clarify, I know that Elders are the giants at the end of each level. I meant to ask, since we're discussing what skykids are made of, what are Elders made of?
granite plaza
The hair could just be made out of light
modern fulcrum
oh relaxi that bit is just the power diamond
ruby wave
MOVIE CONNECTION HOLD ON
sick trellis
We're like Clay doll x)
modern fulcrum
hair is made of light
slender spear
IRON MAN
ruby wave
You know Atlantis?
spice kernel
Buhu
slender spear
Xd
spice kernel
No fun being clay
ruby wave
The crystals they use
modern fulcrum
i like clay
spice kernel
AWW
sick trellis
@plucky plank the elders were living once, that's more of a ghost
spice kernel
hard delta
But what about scene when you rebirth
granite plaza
Pretty sure all of the spirits were living at some point
modern fulcrum
EXPLAIN
spice kernel
YOU JEPT NOTE OF THE FACT THAT SKYKID CASTED SHADOWS BUT NOT OF THEIR CAPES OR HAIR
ruby wave
In Atlantis they have crystals to power everything
hard delta
Its like a falling star
hard delta
Oh yeah
plucky plank
@sick trellis Okay, but are they the same as skykids?
sick trellis
The two people you see when you rebirth are what is inside the clay
hard delta
dark stones used to power everything
modern fulcrum
I SEE THAT EVERY TIME I PLAY
plucky plank
Yes, capes and hair don't cast shadow.
spice kernel
I once mentioned that and also how shadows are made along with how light can't have shadows due to that
slender spear
@sick trellis I've come to that theory too
sick trellis
@plucky plank I heard it has been confirmed that there are a different race
modern fulcrum
I AM A SKYKID ANTHROPOLOGIST
spice kernel
Did the Skykids = clay thing stem from that?
wicked dragon
So they crashed in a desert and lived there till their death right?
plucky plank
Capes and hair are pure light. That's why when you turn to stone you lose your cape and hair.
modern fulcrum
YES
ruby wave
Ded
hard delta
Yea
spice kernel
Or they died when they crashed
slender spear
wasted
hard delta
They lived
wicked dragon
How did they make a farm then
modern fulcrum
they lived
wicked dragon
And the tents Hhhh
modern fulcrum
bc one of them painted the murals
plucky plank
This chat is moving way too fast
ruby wave
So I can see similarities between Atlantis and frozen 2
modern fulcrum
plucky plank
So, Elders are a different race than skykids?
hard delta
Yes
spice kernel
Mhm
ruby wave
||And Minecraft ||
sick trellis
They lived there and they put marks of their civilization in the caves
spice kernel
!!
modern fulcrum
elders and ancestors are different from the kids
sick trellis
Please stop being out of context 😂
ruby wave
Maybe it’s the matrix and one day we will wake up
modern fulcrum
i want to talk abt the murals
plucky plank
Do we know if any of the Elders are currently alive?
modern fulcrum
theyre really cool
slender spear
Wait wait wait hold on
spice kernel
Hey, ever been out oobing in the valkey temple?