Hmm probably
#lore-discussion-spoilers
fiery condor
sick trellis
But for crabs I'm not sure
fiery condor
Krills in Eden would represent diseases or anything thst causes death
Crabs in Eden not sure
sick trellis
And the rock rains would represent the death from natural causes
fiery condor
But sky crabs in general show up from Forest to Eden, probably resemble abandonement
Since some of them settle in unused places like the Labyrinth in Valley
sick trellis
Or maybe self doubt or think like that
fiery condor
And Vault maze
sick trellis
What is vault maze ?
fiery condor
If you open the two player door on the right side
I call it Vault maze, I don’t know what’s it really called
sick trellis
By the way the fact that it is the vault of knowledge can represents the life experience you have when you get older
Never saw that maze
hushed steeple
I also think that.... But in the office's chart they omitted the vault
fiery condor
Basically when you enter vault, go to the right. You’ll see a wall door that needs 2 players to open. I just don’t know what it’s really called. I just called it a maze
sick trellis
Maybe the vault isn't a real part of life, it accumulate the knowledge
fiery condor
I think vault of knowledge represents revisiting old memories. Because every time we ascend, we’re shown the constellation of the past Elders we’ve visited.
Ascend I mean sit on the platform
sick trellis
Now with the main spirit at each temple
hushed steeple
That's mean in vault we memorize our whole life journey?
fiery condor
Revisiting, not necessarily memorize our entire journey
slender spear
I thought the things on the "bookshelves" were power crystals
fiery condor
I think there were theories that those big diamonds in the shelters of vault are memories of spirits
I guess so too
sick trellis
So at the first temple it's an old man like someone innocent and caring, in the second one there is a giant, i think of it as again something caring and kind, or maybe someone from a fairy tail you're told in childhood
fiery condor
Is this still related to the life symbolism of Sky?
sick trellis
But then the forest temple is an angry-looking woman that takes the candle from your hands, like how tennagers can be mean and/or discover the world with anger
I think it is
sick trellis
It makes sense to me, plus, they all appears in the knowledge vault like the steps and the figures you went throug while growing up
fiery condor
I’ll pass for today, I’m sleepy 🥱
sick trellis
As a teenager, I can see how it can be represented as someone almost rude and angry but without bad intentions
But then the twins for the valley... I don't see
slender spear
adulthood
hushed steeple
They are playing as our adulthood
slender spear
but can't quite connect it
sick trellis
@fiery condor I think it is still related to the symbolism as it is one of the core concepts of the game and when they had to make a choice for the spirit they use, they would refer to the life symbolism
fiery condor
Probably valley resembles the time we graduate and be successful in life as a young adult
sick trellis
(Sry I'm not a native english speaker I don't know if I say what I think I say 😅)
crimson plover
and then you have to pay taxes and arrive to wasteland
slender spear
^
sick trellis
Yea littles life troubles are like crabs, from teenage to death
fiery condor
I guess taxes would be part of the problem. With krills being our major problems
hushed steeple
And then the wasteland as our depressed mid age
slender spear
But the only place there are crabs in valley is the temple hmmm
fiery condor
Wasteland’s adulthood
crimson plover
krills are the taxes inspectors
sick trellis
Yea and rain in the forest as the teenager troubles
slender spear
It's like you're putting up a facade and hiding away all your troubles in a deep place
sick trellis
The you slide and pass the valley really quickly, I don't know maybe it means this goes vert fast and you don't see it going
hushed steeple
Troubles makes sometime anger feeling so the elder in forest is angry when we go to her
I guess
sick trellis
@hushed steeple yup, and teenagers are usually discovering being mean, and can be rude as they sometimes don't understand theirselves
But the twins in the valley?
crimson plover
The you slide and pass the valley really quickly, I don't know maybe it means this goes vert fast and you don't see it going
@sick trellis and then you suddenly hit the ground like when you arrive into wasteland, realizing all the good times are behind you now
sick trellis
What is the spirit in the wasteland temple?
crimson plover
the warlord
sick trellis
Btw I think the spirit of the vault knowledge is actually you, remembering your life
crimson plover
to me, vault is like some kind of afterlife
sick trellis
No it's more orbit when you remember all
crimson plover
that time when you remember all your life
slender spear
vault is like mental preparation before the inevitable, remembering the experiences you had, I guess
crimson plover
and access to wisdom
sick trellis
And since eden is death, and the vault isn't representing a part of life in the developpers chart, we can see the vault as all the knowledge you have passively accumulated in your life
crimson plover
understanding connection between things
sick trellis
And yes wisdom represented by the old man at the end
hushed steeple
That's why they didn't add vault in the chart
sick trellis
Yup
But the twins???
And yes still in the valley what about that little maze which is the only one that got crabs
outer lark
Can I find this developper chart here in the pinns?
@sick trellis the one u mentioned, about part of live. Guess its about the stages of live 
outer lark
Ahh ok thanks
sick trellis
There are a few more things I don't know how to interprate
Like the statues you're giving your light to in eden
hushed steeple
Isn't the maze symbolise some depression in adulthood
sick trellis
Maybe, or maybe it's just a game feature for the player
slender spear
that's kinda what I thought yea
hushed steeple
So many things to know
slender spear
The whole world structure is still strange to me, could they build on clouds and reform them?
sly kestrel
🙂 🍿
slender spear
Or is that just some kind of child perspective
sick trellis
I think it's childish
Prairie is green, beautiful, you go flying from one place to another
You even summon a puppy
slender spear
But then what about the pictures on the walls, in forest for example, it has clouds in it
hushed steeple
As no bounds and lots of happiness in childhood
sick trellis
And your fire is like your good thoughts and Hope and dreams, you're spreading it while changing and it defeat little troubles of life like crabs, but not cancers or that sort of things (krills)
Didn't someone said that that big strange dragon is a symbol of resurrection in the Japanese culture?
warm aurora
Im here
sick trellis
So why do you guys think we can see it in that secret green peaceful place in the forest?
Is it teenage depression?
hushed steeple
Or that's the whales who are caught by the darkness
Remember the bones in graveyard
They seems as whales bones
warm aurora
Those whales don't look like any kind of whales
sick trellis
But we only see them a few times
warm aurora
What does the battlefield represent?
sick trellis
Which battlefield?
hushed steeple
Wasteland
warm aurora
In wasterland
hushed steeple
After the graveyard
sly kestrel
The fish looks similar but don’t forget it’s not confirmed that they are the same and it’s referring to that certain fish
sick trellis
@sly kestrel we don't assume anything, we're trying to interprate the game
sly kestrel
Also the environment and whole level in fact is what represents the stages of life, not certain parts of it
Stages of life are represented but don’t forget theres actual story on what happened in the realms
thick mulch
Maybe the graveyard was a former body of water
But since darkness came, water levels got low or polluted just like now?
Maybe that's the reason behind the bones
It's way deep as well
Remember the whirlwind we used to enter to get to wasteland
It's like waaaaay down
sly kestrel
They do fly but we can’t be sure that the bones in graveyard are exactly whales
sick trellis
I think we should make interpretation even if there's a lore in the game
warm aurora
I think they are too big for whales
sick trellis
Btw that lore looks like of adam and eve are bannished from the eden garden x)
Each element of the game have a meaning in the game lore and in the lifetime interpretation
hushed steeple
If the bones are not of whales nor krills then the bones came from where?
sly kestrel
How u interpret the game is all up to u and yes I know some stuff about sky lore now but if ur new, I think making ur own story and interpretation will b good
warm aurora
Maybe another creature
thick mulch
There's instances where there are different variations of mantas
Like that long manta on vault
Maybe different kind of that fish?
Bigger in this case
warm aurora
Yeah yeah
sly kestrel
Mantas dont have bones
hushed steeple
And what about the bones in vault ...is that of mantas
thick mulch
The main elevator
hushed steeple
Before the top level
thick mulch
Yea
warm aurora
Maybe
thick mulch
Since this darkness thingy
sick trellis
What do we now for sure about the actual game lore? Like that speech in the beginning with the stars
warm aurora
I was thinking, were there any common animals and were they extinct?
I saw normal fish in a pond
sly kestrel
I know a lot but I don’t wanna crush ur guy’s theories.....
hushed steeple
Wait a minute.... Before the top level in vault we saw the wasteland's constellation..... Mean we recall the krills
royal kiln
Could These be the suns you see people carrying in the drawings
warm aurora
And there's the dog on the hill
royal kiln
Lol jay
sly kestrel
Imma feel bad
thick mulch
Like the statues you're giving your light to in eden
@sick trellis My thought on this is like, they're just like the player who went to save other statues and died too but didn't find their inner light which revives them?
royal kiln
I mean it’s not crushing it’s kinda helpful to have answers
sly kestrel
And I done it before, they got all sad and everything
After that I jus started letting em talk 😂
royal kiln
You’re one of the ppl who made me rewrite some of my theories and I’m thankful actually lmao
sick trellis
Gotta admit it sounds a bit prententious but I'd be happy to listen to what you know @sly kestrel
hushed steeple
Jay knows a lot, whenever I enter the lore channel he’s always here lol
thick mulch
You guys think the big robot thingy on the office would be implemented?
sly kestrel
Heyyyyy I do other stuff too 😂😂
hushed steeple
What the manta doing outside of the wall
sly kestrel
And no, nothing in the office contributes to the lore in the sky world
thick mulch
Aahhh i see
wind bone
Mantas do have bones tho
hushed steeple
Office is just a lil Easter egg teehee
thick mulch
I was hoping for a giant humanoid boss 😂😂😂
sly kestrel
They do....
royal kiln
Well there’s that useful poster in the office but that’s pretty much it
hushed steeple
Ye
wind bone
You get the spirit manta voice from a manta corpse?
sly kestrel
Cuz the sky mantas are as thin as paper
hushed steeple
How would they move without bones tho?
sly kestrel
Oh yea that
I was wondering about that, cuz the bone structure looked nothing like a manta and......idk
thick mulch
Magic
hushed steeple
Muscle needs to be attached to bone
sick trellis
Sooooo jay you can't just tease your knowledge and say nothing 😂😂
royal kiln
Snails
sly kestrel
Also not everything in vault is real
hushed steeple
True
thick mulch
They should have bones but not as thick as those in vault or graveyard
thick mulch
Bird-like skeletons
royal kiln
Oh can you share evidence plz I’m never sure how to prove it
sly kestrel
Think of part of it like an ascension of knowledge and as u go up u learn more stuff
Devys said they wanted to make it like a dream and at the end they even hinted “maybe it was all a memory”
They didn’t rlly confirm much but they gave us inspiration on how they built the vault and it would make total sense if some parts of it weren’t real. And the lantern cube thingies are also described as memory projectors or knowledge projectors
Who knows, the huge diamond on the elevator could’ve been one huge projector
sick trellis
Yup and what is for sure about the story before we spawn
fickle glen
Maybe it's all Dumbledore, It's in your head but that doesn't mean it isn't real
sly kestrel
Also where we got the dream thingy, it was from a live-stream and notes should b in the pins
royal kiln
Oh true I did read that it was possible
hushed steeple
Also at the end of vault, after u meditate, you see the elevator u “fixed“ but it’s still broken
royal kiln
But then you see the elder floor again during the ascension
hushed steeple
Idk if fixed is the right word
sly kestrel
Oh yea another thing
This isn’t confirmed but from all the knowledge and common sense I got from playing the game and looking at the pins, I can say this
The vault is in the mountain
hushed steeple
Ooh
royal kiln
Maybe it’s the remains at least
fickle glen
Wow that makes sense
hushed steeple
So maybe the elder floor is broken off bc u see it floating there
sly kestrel
And wasteland might be somewhere under the mountain
hushed steeple
So it rly is broken
royal kiln
sick trellis
Someone things look related to the bible genesis
thick mulch
Oh yea another thing
This isn’t confirmed but from all the knowledge and common sense I got from playing the game and looking at the pins, I can say this
The vault is in the mountain
@sly kestrel the one we see with the glow like on starchildren?
fickle glen
Wow
thick mulch
hushed steeple
About the mountain I think
thick mulch
This mountain?
hushed steeple
Yes
thick mulch
Sorry I was unclear
royal kiln
That’s Eden ova dere
sick trellis
Yes all the game is like a trip to the mountain
sly kestrel
Yea
hushed steeple
I don’t think so...
sick trellis
And the vault is the mountain ascension
hushed steeple
I think Eden would be a diff area bc it’s much more wide open than vault which is like a tube or something
sly kestrel
Common sense talk
if u notice at the end of valley, u can see how close you are to the mountain and then u get sucked under the whirl wind which will make sense to be under the mountain, and u suprisingly keep going, all the way into the tower of vault, and at the end of vault, ur around the summit of the mountain where eden is
thick mulch
I'm thinking like, darkness ruined the Vault of Knowledge
sly kestrel
Soooo
Yea I don’t rlly have any other explanation to it, if dusk and vault werent under the mountain.....well where else would they be
sick trellis
But how can it be a dream if you are really ascending the mountain?
sly kestrel
Technically everything was ruined by darkness
thick mulch
A dream about the former vault?
Since it was destroyed already?
You're reliving the past of the vault itself?
sick trellis
At the end of the vault we are at eden which means we are at the top of mountain
hushed steeple
I don’t know if you actually traveled up vault bc at the end of vault, right before the gate to Eden you are still on the ground floor of vault
sick trellis
Really?
thick mulch
If I were to base it on the Bible, Eden is the garden where Adam and Eve were, the fruit at the center provides knowledge. If fruit=vault then vault would be at the center of Eden
sick trellis
Si it means wasteland is at the same level as eden if we didn't go up, but it doesn't look like it
sly kestrel
Yes but don’t forget if u go to the eden social space and look at the building u were in
U can see the top of vault
hushed steeple
Ah true
sick trellis
In the interview I found in the pinned message they talk about "original sin"
sly kestrel
And yea if vault didn’t go up, it doesn’t explain how u get sucked under a whirl pool and magically arrive at the mountain top
sick trellis
If you see "top" of the vault it means the vault has a top ?
exotic shuttle
though you do climb up eden too, but ye
hushed steeple
I always thought the flying part after Eden was how u got to the top
sick trellis
The top of the vault is the beginning of eden ?
sly kestrel
Hey joshur
exotic shuttle
hey Jay
exotic shuttle
i think the part of eden with the statues and the diamond is top of the mountain itself.
hushed steeple
Ooh maybe
exotic shuttle
i may be wrong tho
sly kestrel
When u enter isle u see a pic of eden right
hushed steeple
Mhm
sly kestrel
And u see the top is split off
royal kiln
Do I put a long or short theory as my first yt video
sick trellis
Yes but at the end of wasteland you are the base of the mountain
sly kestrel
I think thAT part is the ascension of eden and below that is where we die
thick mulch
Long @royal kiln
sly kestrel
We get beamed up to the top part of eden that wasn’t affected by the constant storm and then we have our lil emotional ascension
sick trellis
So you first climb it with the vault, then you do a part in Eden, and then there is the place with the statues
sly kestrel
Yea
hushed steeple
Vault is so mysterious 👀
sly kestrel
Made more sense when I had screenshots
sick trellis
So the vault isn't a dream since you really go up
hushed steeple
It’s a dream but not a dream
sly kestrel
Who knows
It could all be a projection
exotic shuttle
i’d say vault could definitely be partially a dream
hushed steeple
It’s like with elder cutscenes, they have an impact in the real world too but...
royal kiln
Big diamond make you high
Flying castle is bc of Eden eye
It can Makes stuff levitate
Like in vault
Maybe
I dont want jay to yell at me on that one
exotic shuttle
vault is interesting because after you ‘wake up’ from the elder cutscene, you’re in that cramped, musty room and the elevator is all broken, as if it hadn’t operated in centuries
hushed steeple
Mhm
sick trellis
So there is an in game lore, and an interpretation to all that
exotic shuttle
tgc likes to keep us guessing
hushed steeple
We barely have any confirmation on stuffs TwT
sick trellis
I mean what do everyone mean when they say "the darkness went in"
sick trellis
so what is game lore?
indigo scarab
Hahaha lore
thick mulch
Is the story like 100% complete?
sly kestrel
Either one is fine to discuss in this chat
indigo scarab
Barely anything
sly kestrel
Yea but tgc gives more knowledge of it bit by bit
indigo scarab
Yeah
sick trellis
I want to know about the story in this game, and then give it my interpretation
indigo scarab
Waiting simulator
sick trellis
Is there any Apocalypse thing that happened?
hushed steeple
There’s some good stuff in the pins if u haven’t checked there
hushed steeple
Based on what I know I’d say yes
exotic shuttle
you can learn a lot by reading the pinned messages (if you haven’t already)
LOTS of great material to dig through in there
sly kestrel
The whole time I thought u jus wanted to talk about ur own interpretation elicarus 🤦🏻♂️
sick trellis
Noooooo
hushed steeple
The whole Eden diamond incident and stuffs
sick trellis
I want to know about the things we now for sure
sly kestrel
Pins
thick mulch
I'm a week old player
hushed steeple
Check canon pins
indigo scarab
Epic
thick mulch
But boi this game is making me more curious everyday
sly kestrel
Look at the notes for live-streams too
hushed steeple
Ye
sly kestrel
Seems like all u want is straight forward stuff
I can give u that but it’s an old concept of the story 😂
indigo scarab
hushed steeple
There isn’t much straightforward stuff tbh
sly kestrel
Wanna read a bed time story
indigo scarab
Me
sly kestrel
Yea
thick mulch
The straight forward stuff are prolly like introduction tot he story
hushed steeple
Sky lore is all guessing and theorizing
thick mulch
General storytelling
sly kestrel
The lore we wanted but never got 😔
hushed steeple
T^T
thick mulch
I wanna know the deep small details but I still don't know kuch of the general story yet
hushed steeple
Check pins
indigo scarab
i mean sky is a very beautiful game but good storytelling isn’t just witholding everything.
hushed steeple
They have a load of info
thick mulch
Okie I will
sly kestrel
I have really good theories that make sense (in my opinion) but if all u guys want is confirmed stuff idk what to say
I mean most of my theories are based on what what confirmed
hushed steeple
I wanna hear these theoriesssss
indigo scarab
Jay’s theories are epic
royal kiln
Jay u wanna write some stuff together?
exotic shuttle
sky tells its story ‘non-linearly’. you piece it together as you slowly make connections between tiny details that seemed insignificant before
hushed steeple
Yup
sick trellis
Same as koretsu x)
royal kiln
I have some theories I was wondering what you think
indigo scarab
Yeah i get that
royal kiln
The good ones are outdated tho
hushed steeple
It’s like those mystery novels, every lil insignificant detail might be very important
indigo scarab
Fnaf did that too and look at its cesspool that they call lore lol
sick trellis
I prefer interpretation of the game to theories about the lore, but they are closely related so I would be happy to hear some theories
indigo scarab
Its pizzeria horror game
hushed steeple
Five nights at freddys joshur
hushed steeple
Tis scary game
royal kiln
Pizzeria doesn’t sound so scary
indigo scarab
Whaddup
hushed steeple
That’s cause ya didn’t play it yet
indigo scarab
Yes
sly kestrel
Scary? U mean how butterflies were grinded in factories and used for power diamonds 🙂
royal kiln
Bruh
indigo scarab
Yes thats scary
sand abyss
indigo scarab
I had to grind to see this view
exotic shuttle
Skymii is a master of speaking emoji lol
sick trellis
Yea the fnaf lore is amazing, I had a friend explaining it to me during 1 hour
indigo scarab
(insert eden)
hushed steeple
Fancy
sly kestrel
Skymii has stickers like no otherrrr
royal kiln
Butterfly for diamonds doesn’t sound so realistic
hushed steeple
How so?
sly kestrel
....u haven’t read my thing huh
indigo scarab
Mmmm fossils-
sly kestrel
Welp, too lazy to grab it
royal kiln
No I haven’t
hushed steeple
I mean it’s a game so like.. not meant to be realistic
sly kestrel
Yea have u ever seen a 50 foot krill
hushed steeple
Lmao
indigo scarab
Thats a diamond press
royal kiln
Ig they used butterflies for light
hushed steeple
Mhm
sly kestrel
I’ll dm it to you Clem
hushed steeple
To make the power diamonds
indigo scarab
Butterflies recharge light
sick trellis
@sly kestrel can you dm it to me too pleeeease
hushed steeple
Yes bc they have light
royal kiln
But they have candles, the light orbs
sly kestrel
Wait lemme ask some questions
royal kiln
Ask
indigo scarab
Spirits =/= skykids
sly kestrel
Have u both seen the forest temple door mural?
indigo scarab
They cant harness light as easily as skykids can
royal kiln
Which one
sick trellis
I think so
indigo scarab
Heck i dont even think they can use it like skykids can
sick trellis
But I couldn't tell you for sure haha
royal kiln
Elders could but not spirits
sly kestrel
Do u guys remember the wave emote cutscene
indigo scarab
They needed to power their ships, gates, etc
royal kiln
Yes jay
indigo scarab
Using separate objects
hushed steeple
Yes, so they used power diamonds
sly kestrel
What do you remember
royal kiln
He waves at the end 
sly kestrel
And
royal kiln
The boat
hushed steeple
Pfff
indigo scarab
I don’t have time to remember spirit cutscenes lol
hushed steeple
There’s pics of all the spirit thingys in the pins
royal kiln
I love eating bricks
hushed steeple
Mmm yum
indigo scarab
also since isle once was a ocean would it make sense the boats y’know... flew across the water lol
hushed steeple
I think they float on cloud too
indigo scarab
yeye
sly kestrel
Have u seen my essay fresh static
indigo scarab
yes
royal kiln
I haven’t seen any of ur essays jay
hushed steeple
Essay? 
indigo scarab
ess yay
royal kiln
Glad I’m not alone
indigo scarab
O
hushed steeple
im intrigued
heady sinew
Today I'll try coming up with theories of our fellow whales
heady sinew
slender spear
Oh yea using the butterflies to get more power, yike moment
sly kestrel
Ur username says it all
desert sun
thank you thank you
i cannot wait
i need something because i cannot for the life of me figure out these things
short summit
So last night I asked whats up with the elders messing with your light. Someone answered that you're offering it to them and jts your purpose to reunite them with the light. That you're made for it. Do by the end of the gsmd your characters reunited every elder and spirit with the light, do what's the lore reason for your chapter bei f reborn after eden
desert sun
you go throught the rebirth process to guide and return everyone to eden
or
orbit
i mean
guiding everyone back to orbit is the purpose of a skykid
i think
cold steppe
darkness came and the stars fell
sick trellis
That’s what I meant sorry x)
cold steppe
no worries! I've been wondering about the same. Like what exactly does it mean for the stars to fall, and what is the timeline
cobalt palm
Not necessarily causal relationship there, or possibly reverse causal.
Did the darkness come and stars falling just happen together, did it even happen around the same time?
Or did darkness come because the stars fell
sick trellis
I think the darkness came because the star fell
exotic shuttle
darkness was always part of the world
sly kestrel
I was jus about to say that
exotic shuttle
hhhhh
sick trellis
Ah it looks like the contrary
sly kestrel
But yes darkness was a natural part of the world and it wasn’t something that the elders created
cold steppe
light and darkness are both natural
exotic shuttle
i forget where, but that is something we have confirmation on, light and dark are just natural
cold steppe
darkness is merely the absence of light
cobalt palm
checks pins
exotic shuttle
even if darkness was always part of the world, maybe the elders did make it worse, so your ideas may have been going good places anyway
cobalt palm
“The world of Sky has a rich ecology of light and dark” darkness IS a natural part of the world not something the ancestors did
It was in one of the first 8 tgc streams
sick trellis
So as jay said if they overused the power of the diamonds they may have caused so big damages
sick trellis
So I think that each of this represent a part of the chain of the diamonds creation to its use
sick trellis
Probably because they wanted to create too much power, and ended up with the big diamond at eden?
And so that diamonds chain breaks
sly kestrel
The power diamonds came after they fell
cobalt palm
"darkness came" may be the darkness came somewhere it hadn't before though...
Like the tomcepts of the creatures invading the holyland
royal kiln
Child of light in the middle you say?
cold steppe
I wonder if the child of light in the middle was the spirits
sly kestrel
Ok the whole civilization of sky came AFTER the elders fell
sick trellis
Maybe darkness is the darkness humans have? We can see a battlefield after all
cold steppe
I think it might be literal darkness as well
Wasteland is ominously dark, and the krill look stereotypically monstrous
sick trellis
Like a curse?
cold steppe
it's not certain if the dark creatures were corrupted or of darkness to begin with
royal kiln
I don’t see how darkness could impact the infinite light source in a way to make the elders fall though
sly kestrel
Like krill, they could’ve been dark from the beginning
cold steppe
exactly
sick trellis
I remember a book where the apocalypse was caused by two nations in war, and one of them created such a powerful weapon to win the war that it destroyed everything
cold steppe
perhaps it means that the darkness fought against the elders
sick trellis
It looks like it
sly kestrel
prolly the power diamond situation bebo
cold steppe
we need more lore
sick trellis
Like if they had listened the « don’t go too far »
sly kestrel
I have lore
I JUS NEED CONFIRMATION
sick trellis
But who told them that?
cold steppe
aaaaaaaaaa
sick trellis
Listened to who?
cold steppe
has the narrator in the beginning been confirmed yet?
desert sun
nope
desert sun
do we have any answers jay 
sick trellis
I’m more asking that question so that you can say what you think
cobalt palm
To the lore-mobil
cold steppe
the "our" in the beginning sequence
"our" light was infinite
but only an "I" called
for us to bring "our [their]" lost stars home
cobalt palm
My headcanon atm is that it's the shiny kid in Eden, being controlled by the Megabird
sick trellis
It looks like the narrator warned them
cold steppe
well yeah
desert sun
waot
cold steppe
but it would be interesting to know who the narrator is
desert sun
did yall ever see that constellation of the kids flying ?
desert sun
post orbit?
sly kestrel
Yes
desert sun
could that be the same child
sick trellis
What do you think are the spirit in each temple?
cold steppe
it's next to something that could be the megabird
the cutscene spirits are the elders
sick trellis
Like what was their role at the time?
sly kestrel
Also I have a huge thing on the child of light theory but
Still not finished 😅
desert sun
that looks exactly like the megabird post credits
cold steppe
gimme when it's done, Jay
desert sun
yes bebo
desert sun
hey i only looked up recently 
cold steppe
thanks for asking!
sly kestrel
We only have 1 rule
No taking about beta content
sick trellis
Can anyone explain that mega bird thing to me?
desert sun
its a diety
cold steppe
I have pictures
sly kestrel
Plus it’s a concept thing
Concepts change
sly kestrel
U guys kno there’s like 5 different megabird concepts right
cold steppe
yes
desert sun
sick trellis
Okay there’s no problem about that
sly kestrel
So....good luck choosing one
cold steppe
sick trellis
It’s not about chosing one
cold steppe
personally, I think Hage Jiisama's imgur album does it pretty well
sly kestrel
Yes it is bc there are different megabird explanations
sick trellis
It’s about learning what people think so that we can have our own idea
The more you see the more you can inspire yourself from
I’m not gonna believe a theory immediately, you talk about it like it’s like joining a sect
sly kestrel
All I’m saying is that there are different versions and stories of the megabird so it’s hard to explain it when there’s all these versions, I don’t get what ur saying
I need sleep
cold steppe
go sneep Jay
sick trellis
I say I’m interested in whatever people want to make me learn x)
desert sun
i have never seen jay say good night
sick trellis
Good night 😴
sly kestrel
I don’t say goodnight cuz no one says it back 😔
desert sun
i say it back 😡
sly kestrel
NO
cobalt palm
Goodnight Jay :p
desert sun
good night
sick trellis
@cold steppe is that imgur album pinned? (Too many pinned message I can’t find)
cold steppe
no, I'll get it
https://imgur.com/a/W6mXT4S Lots of info about the megabird from Hage Jiisama's album
@cold steppe
sick trellis
It doesn’t exist anymore the link gives me an error
desert sun
they right the page is broken
heady sinew
While getting whale pictures for my theory cooking, I got distracted and found a passage in the Valley temple
Found a wing, even!!
Exploring is amazing
sick trellis
The one up at the left?
cold steppe
Oh no
I’ll see if I can find the original posted link
That one used to work
Well, both used to work
the original doesn't work either
sick trellis
So I think that when he says "with the stars united" followed by a drawing of all the constellation, the stars united means the production chain used to create diamond, from isle to the mountain
And I would like to know which step of the production each zone is used to do. The forest temple create the diamond, and the wasteland looks sometimes obviously like a city, so were the diamond is used
Yes eden mountain, I don't remember that last constellation
The prairie is for collecting the butterflies or whatever is used to make the diamons
The valley looks like a place well guarded, protected, by these two twins
And the current sewer in the wasteland could have been used to transport diamonds
heady sinew
Nice connections!
I would like to talk about whales and how they might be related to Krill population in the world of Sky. These are very vague theories since the developers only said we still have a lot to discover about our vocalizing friends, with no hints, I will rely on pictures and locations!
sly kestrel
Sent u a whole essay and u still confused about how they made 
heady sinew
Could be could be
I was going to mention Whales could be the Dark Dragon counterpart
Personally, my first time seeing a whale was when I went into the caverns area of the Hidden forest.
The place has a lot of clouds, and the whale dives back after coming up and making a call. I assume clouds are the whale's favorite place to live.
Now, about the whale skeleton in the forest, someone pointed out (I forgot who) there's a broken tree in the posible whale's path before falling down.
Maybe whales fly over the hidden forest, since the leaves are made of clouds
Kinda! I'll get there soon
sick trellis
Jay weren't you supposed to sleep 😂
heady sinew
We don't see any whales in the Valley of Triumph during the races or the Citadel. But in the Valley-Wasteland transition we can hear and see many of them flying around.
(it's a bit hard to screenshot these ones, they are quite fast 
)
wind bone
I think it’s the last one alive :(
sly kestrel
Who sleeps? Not me 🥱
heady sinew
Assuming whale are not endangered in this case.
merry vapor
but is it also the same whale you see in forest cave?
heady sinew
I noticed there are no Krill except for Wasteland and Eye of Eden
It could be, I'm not sure though
wind bone
Yeah I think it’s all one
heady sinew
All mantas look quite the same so I assume whales look quite similar to eachother with not many differences
wind bone
According to the concept art whales are elder light creatures so I think that none of the other creatures have lived long enough to become a whale
heady sinew
About whales being Dark Dragon counterparts, knowing there are no Krills aside from Wasteland and past Eye of Eden (Aka Orbit, we also see another whale, but I didn't want to do a whole run for a screenshot lol).
I have come up with the theory that krill are, in fact, scared off by whales.
Either that or too much sunlight harms them (both Wasteland and Eden are very cloudy places)
(not counting the Vault) The Krill only stay in two areas and we see whales at the beginning and end of said areas. (Valley-Wasteland transition, and Orbit)
celest spoke
Random observation: Wasteland temple looks dramatically different when viewed from the end of Shipwreck vs actually being in Battlefield
heady sinew
Maybe that's the Vault
If I remember correctly you don't fly to reach the Vault
You just walk inside the Wasteland temple and then you go into it
Or, there's a wall only on one side of the temple
celest spoke
First pic is from the top of one of the tall pillars near the end of Shipwreck— compact building, lots of round towers clustered together under the central spiky spire. Second pic is from the top of the ruined gatehouse in Battlefield: three spiky spires from otherwise low-slung building
heady sinew
Considering the shipwreck area must have had a dock in the past
merry vapor
there couldve been multiple temples in wasteland too
sick trellis
Yes
heady sinew
Not that I know of, but yeah I think so
sick trellis
The game is about going up
celest spoke
Wasteland is way below Valley— I tend to think of Wasteland as being in the precipitation shadow of the Valley mountains, like the high desert in the Western USA
heady sinew
You fly down before entering the green clouds at wasteland too
merry vapor
someone mentioned this before, but maybe wasteland fell
heady sinew
Meaning the place is lower
Huge tsunami
But yeah, wasteland crumbling down and falling makes sense tho
Kinda like Venice! The water goes up slowly each year
Whales seem to be much bigger than Krills too
merry vapor
huh, so if the water goes up then maybe that’s what caused the pipes to break and cause the water to be gross
heady sinew
I think we're up to something here
celest spoke
Or if they were pumping stuff from an aquifer-type formation under the landscape, and the emptied hollows collapsed
merry vapor
oH that too
heady sinew
celest spoke
Or catastrophically over-fracked
cobalt palm
Interesting conversation from Beta general...
Not going to include any beta spoiler content here.
The way water affects our light seems inconsistent, however, I would like to propose a theory that "fixes" the consistency.
Firstly rain in forest reduces our light, but the standing water and rivers do not.
Likewise in prairie and isle, the water does not reduce our light.
More noticeable is the ice rink where you can literally go "underwater" (I'm thinking the skykids made of stone/clay counters the "why don't we swim" inconsistency there)
But the standing water in wasteland does reduce our light energy.
A theory is that the water in prairie and valley is "purified" somehow, and so made clear, and the wasteland ones are unpurified, having some extra sludge in it.
Wyatt suggested maybe the bells stop the rain and purifies the water in prairie, as we see bells in forest stop rain, and kanpai suggested the the purity of the earth clenses it, but wasteland has too much impurity for it to work.
Sorry for the wall of text again, tldr : impure water hurts us, water from rain gets purified somehow, bells purify water / stop rain.
heady sinew
That's quite interesting to hear and makes a lot of sense now that I think about it
celest spoke
Don’t remember any bells in Valley tho? But good point about Forest... maybe the trees draw out the toxins somehow, and that’s why standing water doesn’t hurt us when we’re under cover there
heady sinew
The giant golden structures could also work as purifiers tho.
cobalt palm
@vast wharf but sunny forest, the lake doesn't hurt us
I haven't fully figured it out, and I get game mechanics etc, but seems to be an idea, especially regarding "holy water" and similar concepts in most religions
And purifying acts
Yep
Is there anything anyone knows of for bells purifying irl?
I'm thinking Buddhism, but can't find any solid references of bells and purity
Same lol
Only thing driving me to Buddhism, is I know that some koans relate to bells, and they are used in meditation.
But then, churches in Christianity generally include bells, as do some other Abrahamic religious buildings
exotic shuttle
maybe the darkness in the forest rain is drawn into the dark plants by roots
cobalt palm
Nice thought, all the "bad" rain stuff is absorbed by the plants
exotic shuttle
would explain why forest and wasteland have so many dark plants
cobalt palm
But then the dark plants on the bell towers in prairie seems opposite to that
Unless the bells haven't rung in a long time, so they absorb all the rain in prairie
exotic shuttle
there would have to be something causing the prairie dark plants. maybe the bell towers were powered by captured/enslaved butterflies, causing darkness to manifest
most of the bell towers in forest have dark plants on them too
cobalt palm
Very good point
And especially the power diamonds
Did I just wake Jay up with that
celest spoke
You have to burn dark plants away from the Prairie belltower candles before you can light them to summon mantas
sick trellis
But we should have already seen some of those enslaved butterfly if they existed I think
I think the dark plants are just a manifestation of the darkness taking over, plants are being corrupted
merry vapor
dark plants seem like weeds or something that leeches off of light though. you often see mantas in forest being taken over by dark plants and sometimes even spirits.
desert sun
im very late to vibatus whale theory but i agree that they were used to scare off krills
thats probably why they wear those masks
alsoo noted the mask look like it is dark unlike the rest of the body
hushed steeple
Why do skykids wear masks
Why do they rarely show their true face
Is it a cultural thing for them?
quick shuttle
Well do they have a face?
hushed steeple
Yeah-ish
hushed steeple
The face is black
sick trellis
Ah yes the no mask mask
inner kelp
||what does the space mean on office|| 🤔
inner kelp
theory
hushed steeple
Anything in office is not tied into lore
inner kelp
ah, ok
hushed steeple
Are they though?
inner kelp
at least I called them Shrimp dragon
a friendly a bit name
but, what if the Skrill is actually a machine? 🤔
I mean, it could be a creatures too, because we have a lamp fish irl
hushed steeple
So this game is about eternal death and reincarnation
sly kestrel
No
hushed steeple
Judging by how many times i did eye of eden
sly kestrel
After ur first run at eden u completed the game already and now u can go back and save the rest of the spirits and do other missions, like seasonal events
Don’t think if it like ur stuck in a cycle of dying
idle nacelle
hi
deep onyx
Any theories about the lore of sky?
hushed steeple
idle nacelle
and why is everyone talking about it
deep onyx
Oh what a suprise!
idle nacelle
o h
merry vapor
sky lore is 
idle nacelle
will they ever show us what happened before?
cold steppe
there's not a lot of canon (confirmed) lore, so much of this channel is speculation
deep onyx
I think we need to look closely at every map but I am too lazy
idle nacelle
oh ok
cold steppe
check the pins though! There's lots of really cool things there
idle nacelle
ty guys
hushed steeple
Np
cold steppe
concept art, stuff that is confirmed, etc.
last wigeon
May mega bird bless you! I hope they do a time travel
idle nacelle
wait how can u see pins-
cold steppe
Welcome to the best part of the server
idle nacelle
ee i am not that good at discord yet
hushed steeple
Bias...?
idle nacelle
mobile
cold steppe
you can tap on the channel name at the top and a menu with notifications, pins (middle icon) and members
will pop up
last wigeon
I want to know what the turtle spirits were all about in pre beta times
idle nacelle
ohh i figured it out
cold steppe
or you can swipe from the right
idle nacelle
i saw it
last wigeon
With new season I predict lore channel will rise like Phoenix
hushed steeple
y e s
dense ravine
isn’t this new season meant to bring in lore
cold steppe
we'll see
last wigeon
Because 
wind bone
All seasons bring in new lore
cold steppe
you can share things that are normally spoilers, but BETA CONTENT BELONGS IN BETA CHANNESL
hi seraph
wind bone
Seasons aren’t disconnected from the sky story
last wigeon
That they do
dense ravine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
last wigeon
hushed steeple
merry vapor
we can only hope
snow loom
we should have a weekly obscure hint
like with the crabs
a staff member shows up
says something vague that's apparently lore important
and then leaves us to fight amongst ourselves
hushed steeple
:0
hushed steeple
When you click yourself and make that sound is it echo location, what is it in the lore
It’s a call, not sure if it rly plays any role in lore
whats the order of the thing like birth somehting somethimg something midlife crisis something death?
i forgot
Check pins, there should be some stuff there
oh ok
glacial osprey
Oh lore?
hushed steeple
yea
Why do the big dragons with blue light that turns red attack us
Isle-birth
Prairie-childhood
Valley-adulthood
Wasteland-midlife crisis
Vault-hmmmm
Eden-death
I think thats it @hushed steeple
empty veldt
Also krill x fish
hushed steeple
Bc theres a lot of stuff abt vault being a memory/dream
@wind remnant thanks
Wrong pingggg
oh
Reet
oops
It’s ok its happened before
;-;
sly kestrel
It’s 3 letters how do u get it wrong.....
hushed steeple
There’s two of us called pea
yeah................ one of you add like........... i dunno have two e's or two a's?
but thats your choice i guess
sly kestrel
hushed steeple
I dont understand "hmmmm" for vault can you elaborate? i just want to make a sky comic
celest spoke
@hushed steeple From the Gnomon talk pin:
hushed steeple
o
exotic shuttle
i love how juggling is labelled "maturity"
hushed steeple
hahaha
brazen solstice
Is that island?
exotic shuttle
woven perch
do you want the technical answer or the theory answer lol
brazen solstice
I have shoort memory
woven perch
you'd be correct
on the other side of that island are the graphics from the opening cutscene
exotic shuttle
i wonder what it would mean that those murals are on that particular island
so close to home
who draws the murals
warm fern
old age
telekinesis
cold steppe
Wasteland certainly gives my skykid a mid-life crisis
hushed steeple
You: peacefully burning darkness plant
Moth: opens Wasteland exit
You: sees cutscene
panik
night sleet
@cold steppe
Why yes it does
proven mountain
Recently made a new game(wanted to see the opening again) and took some pics...
I can always get more pics if wanted/needed (cause those probably weren’t helpful at all! 
compact scarab
Wasn't it just the isle elder?
Bc I think most would remember such a guy xD
(If the dark king was in game)
hushed steeple
Is the weather in eye of eden so bad and storm of rocks everywhere because 2 beings are fighting and its their shockwaves causing all that on top
delicate belfry
I like to think that the red diamond messed up with the gravity so much that all the rocks and debris are in a constant speedy orbit around the mountain
grim nebula
Yeah gravity seems a bit funny up there.
This might not be related, but do y’all think that the floating islands (where the bird call spirit is) always floated like that, or did the Eden cataclysm break them loose from the landmass somehow?
hushed steeple
I always thought there is some super powered demon named eden that shooting the place like a maniac with energy blasts and causes cataclysmic events
I thought it was the power diamond breakdown
And we are at the mercy of his rage hence eye of eden
Power diamond?
That huge red diamond
grim nebula
Yeah the giant red diamond at the end of Eden- many of us think it’s a larger version of the smaller diamonds we see in other levels
hushed steeple
Mhm
So its breaking down and causing havoc?
U can read more abt it in the pins, that’s usually the first place to go for me haha
I took a picture of it right before i died
I gave my last energy to last 2 dead people and watched the thing erupt lol
heady sinew
A constelation I believe
Someone pointed out Home looks like an hourglass from above
hushed steeple
Yes i noticed that
heady sinew
So maybe it's that one
desert sun
i think someone said they were puzzles left over from earlier stages
but idk
just what i heard from someone at one point dont let that stop yall from theorizing on it
heady sinew
Also that one screenshot of Eden,,, today I made another run and I reached the last section I hadn't gone to before.
I saved almost all the statues (I hope I did) and I had only one star left and the last statue was right in front of me.
Crawling to that guy felt like a powerful movie scene
desert sun
i wonder why it glows white when you die?
heady sinew
I think it's mostly for transition purposes
hushed steeple
Once i tried to reach the red stone
heady sinew
Like when in movies they add that high pitched noise when a character hits their head too hard, I think it's to enhance the experience
Such power @hushed steeple,,,,
hushed steeple
But there's a wall right in front of it
heady sinew
I heard white is all the colors combined, so maybe it's symbolism that when you die you're nothing but also everything at the same time?
desert sun
the beam coming from the top is a lot less big compared to when viewed from a distance
heady sinew
Perspective is key
desert sun
vibatu, do you remember the talk about that weird symbol
heady sinew
Which one? I forgot already lol
desert sun
dis
heady sinew
I can't see it- 
heady sinew
Oooh that one
It doesn't ring a bell for me, I think I wasn't present when the symbol talk happened
It does look interesting tho
desert sun
apparently ash gave a hint about it
but i cant find the hint myself 😞
jay remembers what it was but idk myself
idk if we were talking about its meaning or symbolism or what
heady sinew
We'll ask Jay when they come back then
If we have hints we might be able to uncover the juicy secrets
desert sun
hints are all we thrive on 
royal kiln
Getting yelled at by jay is what we thrive on
First video hopefully coming out tomorrow about Eden
Either that or birds
desert sun
birds are NEVER talked about
inb4 ash comes in and says "theres more to birds i havent seen talked about yet" and spins us off on another animal hunt 
whales and crabs are enough
royal kiln
I think it’s because we see so few whales and krabs in the game that they are more intriguing to players I guess
desert sun
nooo
more like ash calls out that they are important and we are like
id like to point out i was the og whale investigator just for the record
sly kestrel
It was me
desert sun
gotta gimme a bit i cant see the pic
short summit
It the light boyos that give you light wings
short summit
Like, I kinds just always boop there nose and thanos snap em before I've ever observed them
I noticed they sometimes appear in different poses and stuff, like in the eden tunnel
And i stg I saw one following me with its head one time
Like they was watching me where I moved
lilac glen
I always thought they were remaining light from previous children or something, they may not be alive but they could be somewhat aware?? I dunno, that’s a little tricky
gleaming hemlock
I didn't even notice at first that each of the stages were supposed to correspond to a stage of life
I read it in some article and I was like ooh
hardy dagger
ye! it's really cool
gleaming hemlock
That makes sense, isle of dawn is like the dawn of your life i.e infancy and prairie is early childhood, and then I guess valley of triumph is high energy and competitive like teenagehood, wasteland is adulthood and krills are taxes lol
And vault is associated with wisdom and finally Eden represents ||death||
But u always have other ppl, like the other players, to help u on ur journey
Oh yall were just talking about this here yesterday :o
sly kestrel
U almost got it
Teenage is forest cuz that’s where depression and emo ness comes from and yes I heard that from a dev
Adulthood is valley, and wasteland is Mid life crisis
inner kelp
@compact scarab wait
if that pics is the art concept
which mean
the king has turn to dark?
inner kelp
wait how??? 
hushed steeple
u asking how the crabs went there or how my avatar is standing diagonally?
hushed steeple
what
hushed steeple
but r crabs edible doe
night silo
I think that would really clash with the peaceful concept of this game
hushed steeple
i wanna bring a smol crab and show it what happened to his parents
inner kelp
what's shish kebab?
night silo
Skewered meat
inner kelp
🤔
night silo
It's turkish I think
hushed steeple
I think that would really clash with the peaceful concept of this game
Hidden dark lore woot woot
inner kelp
I thought that stone crab meat are the one
hushed steeple
what