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tru xD
she has a hammer she knows how to use it
i can’t trust an elder who was supposed to be sexy and possessed
valley elders has paddles they can just smack them
forest aunt is thor but better xD
prairie is sleeping shhhhh 
How did she get make that hammer without having previously said hammer?
she used a hammer to make a hammer
or its like.... materialized of light, like mantas
its very glowy
forest aunt's hammer is mjolnir 2.0
big glow
BTW, Prarie dad not actually very nice.
Or that was one big ash butterfly, with claws
i still feel like krills are more like programmed war machines or even trained war creatures they made
Maybe it was just a bad day
leaning more on the former
hello everyone
police krill-
like 2 krills at battlefield are almost synchorised in movement
police dogs
yes
don't the krills have a set path that they patrol? xD
very large german shephards
yeah they do
JDJCKDJD
that’s why i said synchorised movement lmao
Made to stop escaping butterflies and eels?
they’re very blind
ik xD
Jail wardens
i kind of thought everyone died in a sense
everyone died
no it seems like it was transport between broken temple and battlefield
the odd shapes of graveyard
ohhh
Why krill no eat krill?
can’t be natural
they aint the type to eat they own kind
cannibalism
plus they only target light anyway
Destruction too organized, not organic
any theory here is plausible at this point 
i wonder why theres so much.. bones in one area anyway. did they all just die there? were their bones moved there? theres bones in rocks
im just ???????

maybe bc there were a large group of animals that lived there, idk
well we do have shipwreck
why are there krills patrolling the graveyard area? everyones dead. what are they patrolling for?
i think it was an army base camp
would make sense as to why theres a literal crab roast and why theres lamps in hiding holes
perhaps travelers passed through and put those things there idk
so it makes the most sense for me
hell no
wasteland is a literal wasteland
army dogs could work
like the mantas maybe
whales would be to transport their barricades or weapons and such
My theory, krills scavengers, feeding off the waste put out by the Wasteland refinery just beforehand. Like seagulls at a landfill
That's why bones and stuff, they'd just throw the scraps there after they got the usable light
A pipe can carry a whale, boat not big enough
bye
no happiness in this post-war world
lol
I should add an angy mark on that squint emote-
sky looks adorable and pretty and nice but like when you dig deeper its prettt dang dark
Gotta find expansion space
secret tunnel
kinda wack of rhem to throw in a tunnel that just twists and overlooks the room lol
it is the sacred tunnel that gives people ebic thonking power
I actually just like my bad contractors thing
Ok
The tunnel was made to guide the residents that work inside the vault to get a view or transfer the magic towards the crystal.
The crystal was then enchanted with the knowledge the crystals had.
Looking for a way out?
Maybe the tunnel was like quick travel or an emergency exit
( P . S this was my theory )
yup
unless........
Why would that spirit be there?
to seek knowledge probably idk
Exactly-
Bad contrators trying to figure out where they made a wrong turn
To gain knowledge to make their performance more elegant-
We went straight, I thought
Tbh I think the vault spirits are waaay older than the Wasteland ones
lmao we're gonna have to get sum photo evidence of the spirit's story or sth
“so here’s a tunnel that leads to a better view of the graveyard”
“i think we’re going in cirlces”
And to mention that the wasteland warriors sweat more compared to the vaults
I like the fire escape idea now
Hm
Like the vault sprits show u the vault and stuff like it’s whatever but the vault is in the wasteland and the wasteland spirits fight the krill like we’re krill bad when the vault spirits were there
hewwo~
Or trying to link it to the 'cube graveyard'?
confused
the sacred orange pot of unlimited power
i gotchu fam
cUz ThEy LiKe OrAnGe
Come to think of it, how long was that corpse of whale bones in the final area of wasteland?
I mean-
How did they kill it-
.
It’s sinking in the sand so I feel like it’s been there for awhile
Same way as the forest whale bones
Personally I would like to think that vaults help to support and enhance their weapons with light, and that light will help gain knowledge to know what happen with that corpse.
Before it became a corpse,
And after that.
My only problem is that games like sky are really like what’s it called landscaped based like a lot of stuff is there for aesthetic
it looks like the think spirit is just looking around. after being found by the pray spirit, she guided them up to the top or sth idk lol-
Switching conversation in 3 2 1...
I do not trust the vault spirits tbh they seem sketchy
oop-
Well wasteland=kril—oh
You saw nothing-
i saw it alright lol-

Lol
idk, probably the polite stance

since they have no cosmetic items, idk-
Ok what I need to know is what is the big light thing at Eden
pray spirit
To me it’s just a very angry neon blender
Like the diamond shape thing that you die in front of
the giant power diamond
Oh
my interpretation of the vault seasonal?
Has anyone played journey btw
looks like im late lol but i think its just the pray spirit and another spirit touring them around
it seems like the rhythm spirits seems to be just looking around the kingdom
the devs also try to avoid a lot of similarities between sky and journey
Like (spoiler!!!!) at the end it’s the mountain of Eden before it’s destroyed unless that it rebuilt idk the timeline it’s so confusing
No need to spoiler that.
:/
Would anyone even mention why there is sand in vault?
I know I just didn’t want anyone who maybe wanted to play journey and didn’t want the end ruined lmao
Oh yeah the sand
I forgot about the sand covering the floor like the bottom of the vault is like sinking?
lmao-
Gasp
Vault,
The first time we see the vault of knowledge we get this alluring beauty of tower that had multiple stages that were divine each time we encountered them. Vault had many mysteries such as the secret door and the many deaths of others...
After we finish vault, all of it is ruined.
Which means
Vault was a hallucination of perfection
Ooh that’s so creepy I love it
Made by light
To only see the truth,
That it was already gone.
Now an entrance to eden.
Dang beanie ur gonna keep me up all night with that
Also-
👁👁
True
Vault is the process of aging and dieing
Our memories get mixed up.
Which represents the first stage we see vault.
And we get hallucinations.
The creatures are our souls we knew.
Once,
For a lifetime.
Eee I gotta draw now!

baii
Tbh what if like the star kids you collect (winged light) are like previous incarnations of yourself
Bye!
hMMM
lmao xD
i mean, if u put it that way, eden would be like we're losing our memories. when we collect light, we gain pieces of our memories back.
Oooooooooh
with each ascended friendship of the spirits that we have, we have certain memories that our brains never forget
or sth like that lmao-
Yeah you know how the spirits are constellations and stuff like each has one, they are made up of all the sky kids (and now spirits) that died there I think
Like when a sky kid dies they become a star
lmao
Tbh I wish we could have pets in sky like lil critters to follow us like I wanna have a krill pet
if i had a choice of pet, it would be winter borbo uwu
Owo
Do you think that the isle and the wasteland were once oceans because of all the boats
I wonder if the world was once flooded with water
i think i've read a theory that isle, wl and forest are under the clouds-
Yeah well duh the Forest is under some clouds, it’s raining lol
lmao xD
The vault now is more scarier than the wasteland thanks to this discussion
anything can be scarier if you think in a certain mindset
that’s vaguely threatening, thank you
np lol xD
Add that to bird watching goes both ways
i think that the boats were just crashed in the context of isle, since i think that the design is similar to the ones that the wave spirit's friend yeeted off somewhere, as well as the spirit with the boat in the shipwreck area of wl
idk
idk, much interesting
perhaps it could've been a prestige kind of thing? idk
p r e s t i g e
maybe that’s why the forest capes are colored like they seem like they have a high rank idk
The valley twins don’t have wings either
Neither does the elder isle
0-0 wat this mean oh no
the only elder with a cape is battle dad
some spirits have capes but I don't think they were wings
Hi
Well you also can’t fly without it that’s the only probl—WAIT
WHAT IF THE CAPES WERE JUST CAPES UNTIL SOMEONE FIGURED OUT HOW TO HARNESS LIGHT AND MAKE US FLY
probably us idk xD
Like you know how the vault spirits are lifting things using their minds
i mean in space irl you kinda move like ur swimming as you move around the iss i think lol
Maybe that was them first trying to use light power (and diamonds and all that Jazz)
Gosh my English is so bad what is it called when you lift stuff with your head I can’t remember the word
telekinesis? the emote is called telekinesis
l E a vE
m E
bE
mb, was just making a reference xD
lol
lmao
Do we actually have faces or do we always have a mask because when we lose all our light we have no eyes and look at that weird line across the avatars face like what is that lol
And it has a diamond on the forehead
the spirits swim in the orbit because they never been able to fly when they were alive.
humans will swim in the orbit too
skykids and birds and sky mantas can fly in the orbit because they know how to fly
when ur maskless, u have eyelashes uwu
Gasp
Okay but what’s with the diamond on the head like are we living creatures because we are like powered by light and die when we get rained on too much and sizzle and when we lose all that light we have no eyes
hihi boop
lmao
xD
idk, but the last thing that was mentioned was by bluena about why the masks have diamonds on their forheads
It’s open game at this point lol
lol
Got anything juicy
^^
lmao
Hmmm I dunno
i believe they don't
no stars on the capes i think
I just remembered something ooh
You know how we light white candles to see the stories of the elders
What if like those were left for us to find if something went wrong because the elders didn’t really know if this whole power crystal thing was gonna work out
Yeah
Like a time capsule!
Hm what do you mean
why were you hoarding those butterflies elder, huh what were you gonna do with them
👁️

Too many pots
you open all the doors and more butterflies fly out
He got lost in the pots
It’s like he’s still alive and there and he is trying to call for help with the candles and butterflies
Oh geez I just looked at the time I need to sleepp
they are just hiding more pots they hide them from the prairie elder
Oh goodnight 💤
b o a t s ?
i wonder if like
i guess it’s possible for uh
hello!!!!
and goodnight bluena
i wonder if it would be possible for the ancestors to come back? like atleast the people besides the children of ligjt
because it’s pretty vacant and lowkey sad once you think about everyone being dead
where are their bodies though?
^^ 😳
we probably walk over their bodies in all honesty
it’s like how after battles the grass covers up the bodies over time and we never seem to think about it
sand covering up dead soldier’s bodies...
tru-
man i dont wanna think of that
^^^ basically!!! they’re just there you know
like gettysburgh
you’re just walking on bodies man
REALLY
DJEMDJDJDM
yeah
NSNXNSNDND
there was this skykid on a boat that like calls to you
omg that's so sick
this game makes you very happy but very sad
aa i cant find the kid on the boat one but i swea ri remember seeing about it
yooo i wanna ride a boat 🥺
oop-
YO....
ugh we stan deep lore
i just want to know what’s up with vault mom
ahhh
she is a mom and that is all
she probably got wacked since she has that scar on her eye 😞
wonder what happened

possibly an enemy that landed a blow on her while she ran to the temple’s safety
wasteland elder does seem like he’s protecting the vault and all its knowledge and resources
we need 30 of him
best boi
he’s just big boi
he is the one to say all women are queens
he's a tired boi, let him rest lol
we must make it perfect so he gets the gud rest that he needs
I return bearing gifts of the wasteland conundrum
it broke my heart when he fell in his cutscene ;-;
it's beautiful ty
wow, look at all of them buildings
those pipes run throughout wasteland (not sure where they start) and finally into the temple which is vault
pretty
so they’re either dumping sludge (oil) into wasteland while trying to refine dark rocks, or they’re bringing in something, or exporting something else
hMMM
the temple does lead into the first floor
the massive wall behind wasteland temple
wALL
so perhaps that’s the eden outer wall
v good wall
11/10 wall
i keep thinking aboht the hero stance ancestor in the valley and how she had a kid 🥺👉👈
big sad ;-;

it’s real sad
but hey we know spirits were basically human
they naturally showed some affection towards each other while sky kids don’t
JSNXJSNDJD
NDBDJSHEJSHSBS
last theory before i duck out: sky people made cosmic mantas through genetic engineering via slicing jellyfish dna (they both have the same appearance), hence why you only find them in vault. im convinced “knowledge” in vault is just all their most advanced science in the form of a giant research facility at this point.
theyre called spirit mantas though
does tgc call them that or did players come up with the name?
i believe that their names are cosmic mantas, as the voice is called the cosmic manta call
ah ok. yeah, i was just going off the appearance alone of taking a normal manta and making it translucent using the jellyfish appearance. i’m not exactly sure if tgc simply refers to them as that, or what the actually sky ppl call them, or if the name has relevance to the species
eh its alright
what i do know tho, is the sky ppl def tamper with wildlife if they turn them into diamonds. it wouldn’t surprise me what else they’re capable of
your theory can still work out. you were able to back it up, and we dont really know how the spirit mantas really existed anyway
oh geah
i mean they chopped off trees to built thir diamonds
ya. maybe someone will translate the text for vault and we’ll have more answers like egyptian hieroglyphs 😂
lol xD
man one day i wish tgc will give us some answers
though i doubt it cus they like secrets lol
i mean, who doesn't? xD
me :( i want some answers
Okay... so some spirits appeared to have kids... right? So that may mean that before all of Eden and stuff, perhaps there was a community or town of some sort? (That’s a weird way of wording it)
But if this idea that children of light grow up somewhat and can reproduce and parent their offspring, what happened to the protagonist’s family?
Basically, I decided to create my lil’ baby’s mom because why not.
I would really like to see (if the idea of towns/villages, prior to everyone’s untimely death I guess, is real) these towns and potentially spirits could live there?
I know, that makes no sense. But I would really like to see more depth to the protagonist and their history. I wanna visit a town that has spirits of parents, Warriors, shop owners, etc. I wanna see them just lowkey be there. Because in the valley of triumph, it looks like some remnants of a town were there, where did they go?
Sorry for me pouring out my feelings, I just wanna see that there was actual life within the world before the fricking apocalypse.
(It would be really fun for me because angst)
not sure if that’s a suggestion ^, but TGC has indicated the elders, sky spirits, and child of light are all different beings.
elders are more like deities to the sky ppl, and children of light seem more or less created from light to save those incapable of moving on. i remember someone in here talking about children of light not functioning the same as sky ppl, with respect to aging etc.
as far as cities go, I think the sky ppl colonized all the different realms, but eden and valley were major cities. i think of eden as their capital so to speak, likely where this king of theirs was.
since the elders fell from the stars and there is orbit, I also think there is an ascendant realm where they lived. tho i’m not sure if the child of light has any of that if they were created by elders for a specific task
lol i was thinking about whether elders and spirits were related and i saw this message, thx for explaining this
Wasn’t valley the center of their civilization?
Could have very well been, and maybe later they decided to expand to Eden with golden wasteland providing the resources. Kinda like how Kyoto used to be Japan's capital for a long while until they changed to Tokyo.
I mean, I knew that Elder and children of light were different but ya know... tea.
Does that mean that children of light are potentially angels in some way? Sky spirits are humans (or what’s left of them), elders are gods, and children of light are angels
I meant, that way, angels can’t be born to a family, so that would add
I have to leave in a minute but what if
The skykids
uhhh
so u know how all the spirits were wiped out
Yea
we don’t see many child spirits, most are adults
what if the kids survived
and turned into children of light
because
the fallen stars protected them from the storm
and created their capes
Well, proud stance in valley had a child
and turned them into beings of light
And they look different from us
@delicate belfry ya, valley might have been their main civilization. eden is just so massive compared to the other cities i assume they moved there or expanded
idk
i gtg tho oof
Besides, i think in a livestream, the creators said that we’re different species from the spirits
@hushed steeple I agree with you. Thats what I thought about in my first post, I just worded it terribly
working on a mega lore doc which encompasses many of the theories here and what is known about sky, so look forward to yalls cannonocal critiques when it’s done. hopefully will be able to add some of it to the sky fandom which is devoid of lore
YESSSSSSSS
I wouldn’t get too excited yet 😂 this thing is turning into a book
do we have any in-game examples of these corrupt descendants?
Statues in eden
@wind bone the ones we give wings to? or are there other statues too?
The ones you see when you’re scaling the mountain
the old bodies of the spirits that you burn to release them also look like the corrupt descendants
Maybe the adult sky spirits were corrupted somehow, maybe it’s some d e e p metaphor about adults and how they get corrupted once they grow older?
deep
d e e p
thanks Seraph 🙂
If you look closely in the background there’s these huge factories surrounded by pipes makes me wonder what they were doing
writing about that in my doc, but basically the pipes seem to exit into wasteland and i believe they trace all the way back through all of wasteland into eden. on my next eden run i’ll trace back where the pipes lead to figure out what sludge it is they were pumping
What if the weird side tunnels in Vault were supposed to be pipe channels but were never finished?
Also, I noticed when rewatching the Prairie temple cutscene that the Elder takes candlelight and uses it to actually create a butterfly; did they create all the other light creatures too?
I think with the pipes they are extracting light from the big diamond in eden then to wasteland (which i think used to be some place different before krills happened), then to valley all the way to forest to be distributed for more diamond productions for whatever machinery they’ll build, maybe because the diamond had too much to handle and cannot control itself anymore, the light in the pipes are liquified and turned dark.
So much to think about it’s hurting my braincells 
Also @celest spoke i also agree that the tunnels in vault used to be pipe channels, there are water dripping and all over the ground when we get to the deepest floor of the maze infested with so many crabs, unlike the other floors where there are just few
I never thought about the continuity of the pipes... it’s interesting that they’re in forest and wasteland. And vault tunnels could definitely be remnants of the pipes but is there an actual pipe in the vault anywhere like we see in wasteland?
I don’t know, we don’t see any more pipes outside of the maze of vault, maybe just hiding on the walls and we just can’t see it 
probably not true but just an interesting concept: what if dark creatures were created from negative thoughts
Omg i was thinking of that too. Sky kids getting corrupted because of so much anger and hatred, but question is, what would they be so angry at? Other sky kids or something else theyve faced alone?
maybe just the state of the world and how it was destroyed and the stupidity of the spirits putting themselves in danger and then needing the sky children to fix everything for them
Hmmm maybe
Or maybe dark creatures/ sky kids are created from their remains after they ‘die’
Not saying that dark creatures are like zombies
theyre zombies
No like i mean the kind of zombies that would eat other creatures
maybe the kind of zombies that turn them to one of them by not eating them
no wait theyre almost the same thing—
Just a random thought- so the wasteland and Eden are both horrible places to hang out but in between them is the vault and it’s just vibing there with nothing to worry about whatsoever, it’s not even possible to die in there. Do we ever get to see what’s on the outside?
jaybird, our on going theory is that the vault is an illusion because the real thing is actually destroyed (like the vault spirits left us a intact recording type thing)
@hushed steeple close up of those statues
Those are probably dead sky kids.
It's just water out there
Which was extremely brutal..
But lorewise not sure
yeah ani but we dont encourage that
Has anyone thought of sky kids as protostars?
idk what’s happening but the entirety of office is all easter eggy and has no connection to lore. its just a fun area for those who supports the devs via founders cape and during pre-launch
Hmm
knite, in the gnomon talk they said the exact same thing!
Would anyone like to hear me about the protostars theory?
YES
un, yeah?? we’re always down to hear any theory!
hit me!
The birth of sky kids
Before the sky kids were born, the elders ruled as the giants of a sector. They were a peaceful cluster, Orbiting and becoming as one together.
But that didn’t last long.
As another was coming.
A massive nebulae star approached their sector / eden. The star collided with their main star, flinging them out of their sector.
The star cluster scattered along with the nebulae cloud.
The next few billion years.
The 6 stars were in a different sector, now they are the giants that rule those.
The first star:
During the collision.
The nebulae cloud began forming protostars.
Now becoming sky kids.
Those stars roamed across the galaxy, encountering isle.
Isle represented the birth of stars as where are our sky kid were born and made,
Daylight.
beanie has big brain
Now that I think of it the shape of sky kids do look like stars
Daylight was the stage of maturity as the stars developed and increased size.
Hidden forest.
Especially with the capes
reverse chibi mask
Hidden forest was the stage of cooling down.
yeah because some older spirits dont have capes
The stars light began to dim...
Valley
Valley was the heating of the stars, now making heavy elements. After that, they grew More size and became giants.
Wasteland
Some of the stars died as another collided which were the krills.
But some lives.
This is making me think of how people call the winged light children Stars
As a small dwarf.
Vault.
Vault was the dieing of stars as their light became more dim, the first time we see vault we see this fine and alluring beauty of blue and grace of each level which represented it’s past stages. And after, vault became a ruined tower.
As it was already ruined
Eden.
they remind me of stars haha
Once we enter the rebirth sequence of passing down the stars to the dead sky kids, we have already died there as we became supernova. And that supernova we play as the nebulae cloud which form the.
New stars.
so like the more spirits that use light and create things without thinking just playing around the more it dims
And that is the life cycle of stars.
plus its easier to type than winged light. i typically call then stars or starkids unless im answering a question
Any questions?
i like how you used science in this theory because we are stars
hmm but if we come from stars why do we become them when we die (spirit constellations)
What do you mean?
like if star kids are protostars and are born from stars but spirits are put into constellations when we die (like when we ascend we are in space)
like in the terms of your theory is the star kid different from us sky kids and the spirits
It’s different?
L
.
We do become constellations.
Since at eden
By looking up, you can see a sky kid constellation.
So
We became a constellation.
oh wait i get it now sorry the rebirth part messed it up in my small brain
(i forgot how a freaking star worked)
Pfft-
this discussion has made the wasteland my favorite realm
same!
full of so much lore
plus im not scared of krills anymore B) im willing to get hit
wasteland seems to hold a lot of keys to unlocking sky
the other realms are important, but there’s a lot going on there
i know its so interesting and dark i wish i could explore it more but the krills make it impossible

What about they use the old concept for the krills-
WTB observer mode to explore the maps outside of character
theyre HORRIFYING
they are literally a flying black mass with a mouth THAT HAS TEETH
How bad would it be?
wait i don’t think i looked at the old krill concept
I mean, yay.
SHOW
I MUST SEE THE MONSTROSITY THEY WANTED TO PUT
Ok
horshoe crabs!
HOW-
if you look toward the bottom of that pic i posted, you see the same exact concepts the guardians are made from in journey
FROG MY DUDE
THE LITTLE LEGS
AND THE LONG MOUTH THING REMINDS ME OF A LEECH
LIKE LEECHING LIGHT OUT
mhm. a lot of similarities are intenntional but the devs also try not to put too much journey into sky
in the gnomon talk yui says something like.. journey and sky are “parallel universes” if i recall
okay what are those HUGE creatures that you can see in the wasteland home thing and that zone in the forest (the one where you have to break the floor to get in)
like they are really f a t and they kinda remind me of eels
i looked them up lol
apparently theres one you can interact with in eden!
Or neither?
Coelacanth?
It’s a kind of rare fish. I’ve seen the whale be referred to as that somewhere before and there are some similarities....
Anyway sorry to change the subject, I really just came in to drop this text I wrote, elements of faith in Sky.
I don’t know if this is common knowledge but I just found out the real life version of the darkness that is amethyst mushrooms.
fungi that grows after some place gets abandoned?
that also reminds me of yesterday when i was speculating if the darkness plants were actually spirits that died there
but then i noticed the little baby plants in the butterfly pots so that’s probably why i forgot
hmmm
i’m not sure if anyone mentioned this but
this definitely looks like eden in the isle oob
most likely before or during the explosion
Makes me wonder why it exploded.. cause theres no beam of light, and the beam of light is how you got to orbit
that concept of dark creature scares me
well there’s an oob where a power diamond that powers eden blew the elders away
ikr
imagine that one got into the game, it might be scarier x1000 times
but they look like frogs and leeches
Tbh I wish more dark creatures were in the game
won’t balance then
nightmare-ish map for pro players?
all light has to have darkness as well so oop
But what about lore side, having more monsters to be drawn on the walls?
Creatures you have never seen but could fear.
well we still have the mega krill and megabird theories
Thats like a whale and a krill had children
they look like journey’s creatures
one that we could ride in Valley, and one we should avoid all cost in Wasteland
or they just stuck to your body and we have to run into lights to get it off, if not they will eat your lights out

Evil jellyfish could be red and black or blue and black
Feeds on the light, nom nom
It could get annoying though.
om nom nom
Little jelly leeches
the pots are weird
chunky outside but tube inside
are all the pots the same cause if so they literally just cram every butterfly they can inside that
squished together can’t even fly
Idrk where this should be discussed but what do you think is going on in the crying spirits memories? I sort of have an idea but not really
Oh :’( thanks man
The pattern on top of the door looks like the portals in the home area- There’s also a star on top and the middle one looks like the Eden door- I don’t know if this has anything to do with the lore but— also the inside of this room looks like the picture in the vault constellation?? If that makes any sense.
Like the windows are the diamonds on the sides or smthn idk
It’s also a very long room
@stark marten the way I saw it is that there was this girl with some friends in the cave, idk why they were there but rocks collapsed on them and you can see the cry spirit and another friend try to get them out but sadly they died 😕. Then her other friend also died and idk how but a dark plant was around him and that’s when she built graves for all of them. Basically all her friends died and she was in the cave crying for it 
does anyone have a link to the japanese livestream 2 where some of the cannon lore came from?
awesome, ty
and the 3 beings are elders, descendants (sky kids), but what are the ground people called?
I think they are called ancients
well this is pretty neat. wondered what was inside those cubes in vault.
Borg space ships It looks like more of the light/memory diamonds like what we see in the room with the telekinesis emote
yeah. going to translate the japanese live streams and see if they discuss these
amongst other stuff
So- why isn’t the isle spirit on the Eden doorfkhdkdhdk
Was there like- some alliance thing the isle isn’t part of
The design explanation for that is because the same model of the Eden portal we have now was taken from the aviary. Back then, you awakened in isle and after finishing the level you would go to the aviary and hear the prophecy about getting each elder blessing to face the storm (eden). Each level had a portal for you to visit and after you finished it, their mask would light up on the Eden gate and it would be available once all of them were lit
Isle wasn't really one of them, more like a prologue you would come back to after being reborn (you could still revisit isle, but it didn't have a portal like other levels)
Some people have the theory that isle and eden are related on the process of rebirth, and that's why it wasn't included before and now!
or maybe with all the design changes and being born in home now, and isle being a proper level they just didn't update the door 
isle is so confusing. originally they wanted it to be a shipyard, then it was an intro level and the elder shipped the kids off to the next level on boats. and now, we just fly through the clouds to prairie and are shown a scene of isle elder being able to control light and birds. meanwhile in vault, we’re shown content from prerelease isle elder’s guidance to sky kids
the current mural is different than the one we had when isle had boats we could use to go to prairie
the current one doesn't look like skykids on the boats, but maybe spirits
the old one for comparison, with exactly 4 boats (just like the level had) and skykids on them
it makes sense to shows spirits on the boats though, because we can assume that's the way they used to fly between lands
the current isle temple seems to be on top of a boat (if you look at the terrain around it, it looks just like a boat). some people believe that there's where the kingdom started, and maybe all the boats departed from there
you can even see boats on the walls of the isle temple
interesting. thanks for posting the old version for comparison. but yeah, in Isle, I don’t recall seeing anything that provides explanation for the vault constellation. I need to go back through the level and screenshot all the wall paintings and reference them against the vault version.
I just noticed that these birds have markings like the mantas.
@crimson grove ok, what you were sayin makes sense. isle elder i’m guessing helped the ancients with understanding boat tech and then they transported the other fallen elders throughout the other kingdoms?
Yeah I think so!
Maybe the constellation represents each elder “role” on the kingdom. Isle might’ve been transportation, prairie storage, forest industry, valley entertainment maybe? wasteland military and vault the archives
I believe so. most things line up with the old concept with the exception of the old vault and eden ideas.
spirits
ancestors if we’re going in game terms
also journey and sky being parellel universes gives me some sort of idea of the differences
one where the stars didn’t fell and were worshipped as gods and the other where the stars fell and built a kingdom in the clouds and more worshipped as rulers than gods
I am a little curious about journey
same
Personally, I prefer sky because of the customization and additions to the game. But I also REALLY wanna see more lore from the world... world building is awesome~
so far though in journey i can only tell that the people (ancestors) figured out how to live for themselves while worshipping the stars
similar to real life
I’m kind of stuck between two separate theories
now in the sky universe since there aren’t gods but rulers it’s a bit more chaotic
lmao i’m stuck between all the theories
One where sky kids are angels, elders are gods, and sky spirits are humans of sorts.
The second one is that elders are gods and sky kids and spirits created a civilization of his own. Unfortunately, this came to an end because of the storm. Now the children are living in a beautiful post-apocalyptic world where they watch the spirits of their ancestors. Who all passed away.
I like to think that sky children had families and lives before the events of the game, and depending on whatever, they were ripped away from their family.
That’s just me... y’all can ignore me otherwise
lmao
well it wasn’t the sky kids that had families but the spirits
sky kids are mere vessels that are used to bring back the elders home
they don’t even have emotions so oop
i like to think the elders were gods but then became rulers to the spirits as time passes
forest aunt did oop
at least her industry did
my belief is the elders created it. they are the reason the world is how it is. they wanted to industrialize, they wanted to change everything. and eventually it imploded
they wanted too much power
seems like they started abusing their power around the time before eden’s power diamond created the explosion
i’m still going wild about the journey and sky theory i suddenly had in general lmao
yeah. for me the worlds are a progression through the story though not exactly in order (for me vault wouldnt be exactly where it is in the timeline). you can see the world get more complex and technologically advanced, and valley is the height of it. then it got corrupted and fell to pieces and thus wasteland.
i think the elders are dead lol
the narrator is the creator and is like not an elder imo
thats where people think it is the eden king i think
elders are dead bro
yeah it’s most likely the king
can’t be vault vault
maybe the prince?
I feel like we only ever go through entire thing once
And every time we go back through a portal we’re travelling back in time to when we first went
And Home is kinda like Purgatory
i feel like the less technologically advanced realms denied to add more things so oop
ouch purgatory
kinda just leads me back to the war that happened in wasteland
Not dead but not exactly alive either, stuck outside of time
my belief is the elders created it. they are the reason the world is how it is. they wanted to industrialize, they wanted to change everything. and eventually it imploded
This is feeling so real right now
ok this is a weird thought brought on by too much tea and shwarma this late at night... but if the elders could create butterflies out of light and stuff them in clay jars, and extended the process to making bigger and stronger light creatures and putting them in more high-tech containers, what if they made us and the winged light is like, our real souls but our skykid bodies are just the clay containers walking around trying to refill ourselves
Hmmm
Or the jars were contaminated and accidentally breading moths, the moths died and we just released their light spirits to wander the world
well we are basically just
walking vessels with no human traits
no emotions, no care for others since all of that they either learn or we control them to do so
plus they’re only here now to fulfill their mission
so yeah the sky kids are probably shaped by someone who has some better skills than prairie dad
he can only form a butterfly but whoever created the sky kids has some better skill at manipulating the shape of light
forest aunt hammered us into shape ow
I’m just joining this
I’ve been contemplating it since I started and finished the first time
The depth and philosophy/ lore/ mythology they have used and created is mind blowing
The understanding of multiple cultures layered like this is brilliant
I have theories but I would like to hear others I’ll read this whole thing now just to get a handle on the consensus
I’m happy to listen to anyone
check pinned messages for canon info
whut
Question: what exactly are moths, because I’m a little curious to know what exactly they are
they’re a community term for new players
Still a clown tho
won’t that be a mess of traits
I like how sky children honour/greet spirits by imitating their movements. Lowkey laugh-crying at unlocking the comedic
emote from the poor dude in Wasteland who straight up fell over and died lol
Lol it is funny. My question is, obviously spirits are different than sky kids, so why do some of them have capes?
Lol true
The star behind the final eden gate that you can get if you don’t skip the credits..
Is there a video on that¿
Better to ask in Eden chat
But just keep walking forward through the portal, eventually you’ll hear the sound of collecting a star
I’m pretty sure you get the star even without watching the credits
@shy relic walk through the gate, let the vid play, put your ears close to the phone and u will hear a star collection sound, u can skip the credits now
Oh wow I didn’t know that thanks
I remember seeing the names of the Elders somewhere
Could someone direct me to that doc?
Found this image by searching;
Tsadi, Aylila(?), Teth, Alef and Daleth (which is which?), Lared (?), Samckla(??)
Those don’t rlly apply
It was a rlly old concept where they were named after Hebrew letters
yeah all of them are so different from the current designs it’s hard to pin who’s who
Ohhh
What was the purpose of these orbs? They don’t restore light but the glowing circles on the wall do. Could these orbs have the ability of what the glowing star children have? Or did these orbs give the spirits winged light?
They were part of the Lightseekers season
The isle spirit could be found there
Now they’re just there lol
Oooh
They’re the same kind of lights you chase for daily quests sometimes
Ohhhhhhh
Sounds like hebrew letters -
tsadi- צ, - (forest)
ayin ע
Aleph - א (valley)
Tet (teth) - ת
Dalet(h) - ד (isle)?
Lamed - ל (isle?)
Sameach - ס (prairie or vault)
Now I wanna look at the constellations lol
Tzadi looks like forest, Aleph looks like valley
Samech could be vault or prairie
Isle is lamed or dalet
@glacial linden where did you find it?
Just chat searched this channel for the keyword “elder names”
Had to scroll for a bit
Image someone else posted
Seems samech ס was what became vault
The one named Ayiin ע became isle elder tho isle constellation looks like a lamed ל
Concept of the twins from valley doesn’t seem to exist in that pic tho
Yeah it looks to me like in that image, the one named Teth is forest, Tsadi Prairie
So cool that forest spirit originally had an umbrella
You’re right! Instead, it makes seven figures because the king was included 🤔.
Seems king was Aleph
I think the super short, hunched over Vault mom design is cute
That’s the prince to her right, isn’t it?
With the cone hat that now belongs to the sassy spirit :V
Not sure never seen a prince concept
Interesting the constellation shapes still seem inspired by the hebrew letters
Think @coral quail would find this interesting
a person?!?!!
They are small but mighty
Oh it’s just the head shape
On the prince, it’s not a hat
Were these two figures supposed to convey a sense of artificiality?
I’m not exactly sure if the concepts were scrapped, or if they were actually destroyed as livestream 8 says the eden elder is no longer around. it sounds like neither made it into Sky, similar to how the ark ship concept doesn’t seem to exist in eden either. or maybe I missed those somewhere.
Wait? I didn’t know there was a prince?
Okay so I was viewing some older messages and I saw thatskykid bring up the cubes in the vault and they remind me of the cubes in castle in the sky by studio ghibli, anyone else? Maybe they had a use like those lol
@grave totem Keep in mind, this is old concept art, and not everything that was drawn at the time made it into the game as originally conceived, if it made it in at all
Yeah, I know, I kinda wish we could see the prince again in game.
@calm bobcat In the Japanese livestream 3 they say the main area of vault is old and a place where knowledge is hidden, and the large cubes are used to store knowledge. super vague answer.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zmWKRTc_kqI
The concept art of vault tells us that the sky kids go into vault to read ancient paintings, which show stories and memories. I’m assuming that means the little power source deals that light up the diamonds also serve as holographic hard drives . This is also seen in old prerelease screenshots
Ohhhh that sounds equally as cool
There was. A prince
I noticed each realm is a nod to bits of mythology
The valley speaks volumes to what ruined them
A peak and implode
But that’s not surprising I’m assuming
details of the eden castle!
i noticed its the same design as the actual model in eden but here its much more clearer imo
The design on bg mean anything lore-wise?
Why does Megabird bubble?
Maybe it’s meant to represent the womb? The like sounds and stuff
Actually found a similar design in valley earlier.
Makes me wonder why only on those places.
wasteland elder’s statue is broken at the vault, i wonder if wasteland elder died due to an injury like that and his death is more important than we think...
I thought that the elders were gods of some sort? I’m assuming they were immortal, but maybe no?
i think they were immortal, but changed when they left orbit
his statue is also broken in the temple, not just in vault
Is it just me or does the Eden castle look like it’s part of the valley?
I just put this in suggestions what do you guys think
Idea for new land that would not mess with the lore. The land of the time before the battle. Maybe when the tensions were ramping up and the last days of civilization where happening. We could see the building of the great diamond in ||Eden|| look at the light extraction factory in forest, wander in the golden wasteland before the graveyard and see the krill when they where tame before they lost control of them. And go to vault of knowledge where the elders, fearing the end, where making the first sky kids to try to carry the light on. And we could put the portal here
Sorry my art skills are learner with layering and whatnot
Also another diamond on top of the tower in battlefield
I wonder what they are used for, since the one on top of the temple in battlefield is lit up 
That maybe could be what lifts the gate
Diamond you light up sends some sort of message to it?
But its on the corners as well, i feel like they don’t have a relation to the gate opening 
@last wigeon i think a lot of that stuff could be covered in cutscenes, and i’ve suggested we have a in-game lore book to replay memories and have text to tell us about things we discovered. i always have to look up youtube videos to rewatch the spirit memories.
@warped reef perhaps the lit up crosses were a weapon
@hushed steeple a lore book we could find in the vault of knowledge
Hmm maybe. Or maybe the ones at the back fueled something else, like the shields and spears you find around battlefield
Yes @warped reef like a force field until the main power reactor blew up and they were all left defenseless
oh that reminds me. the pipes run from the beginning of wasteland all the way through eden up until you go through the cave. if anyone has seen pipes in the last section of eden or has screenshots of them let me know
I’ll see if I can get some tonight I’m Ubering a friend
thanks!
I wonder if whatever the elders feel (being joy, sadness or anger, etc) could affect their surroundings and the lifestyle of the other spirits. I thought of this one at one point while i was candle farming in forest, was thinking the toxic rain is happening because forest elder felt so sad and desprate she let out toxic rain in her realm
Like they used to be gods but not really anymore but still has the power?
oo that does make sense! watching their cutscenes, the mood of their cutscenes kinda reflect on the situation of the realm
imo
They do have some influence on the outside world too, it’s shown with the pot appearing in the prairie temple after the cutscene, also the forests door mechanism receiving its last diamond after the forest elder snatched the little flame you bring and repairs the diamond.
I don’t remember any other specifics but ya!
the weird vault teleportation from the level to the entrance of eden
Oh ya! I forgot that one dmdnejw,, idk how
jsncksjc its ok ^^
Anyone else think that the big crack is where the krill broke in
I think that’s jus ruin
Do we know what this stone thing is?
I think it tells you what time the rainbow happens
Wow sky tech is pretty advanced to be able to predict a rainbow
Welp thats that then
yes its a clock
the clock shows when the rainbow happens in the US pacific time zone. It's an OOPArt in game 
if the rain is constant and the angle of the sun doesn’t have any seasonal variation, then yeah rainbows can be predictable— sunset rainbows are a regular thing in Hawaii along the edge of the rain shadow
I just thought those were put there during the first Season (Gratitude) 
“The more you know”
TGC: hippity hoppity no more these things in my property
I mean yeah sure I can see something breaking an arch, but leveling a whole cliff?! Nah bro
They fixed up the butterfly fields to make it feel more open and easier for new players to navigate
@@halcyon ingot this channel is specifically to discuss lore related to the story, it’s not a general spoilers channel, so your post would fit better in #screenshots-and-videos with a spoiler tag. Can you remove and repost there please?
@sudden sleet sorry, and done 
1_ Isle of Dawn : it’s the beginning of human life , where you lost and you’re not educated, that’s why it’s like desert .
2_ Daylight Prarie : it’s the childhood part where you go to school , you get education , the desert you were in turned to life , imagination and happiness .
3_ Hidden Forest : it’s the teenage part of your life , the rain that hurts you is the changes that your body goes through , it’s rough part because your thoughts are changing , your emotions! You feel depressed because of your changes that gets a lot of your energy however this won’t last long the rain won’t rain forever, at the end of your teenage-hood , your mental health and your body changes will be stable !
4_ Valley of Triumph : it’s the adulthood part , you will go through a lot and try to find a job and of course also you will lose a lot of friends but the real ones will stay with you and complete the race with you ! This part of life is really fast more than you imagine .
5_ Golden Wasteland : it’s the parenting part , it’s hard because of the children you got , you try to be the best parent ever and give your kids the love they want , you feel exhausted because of the challenges that you face you in the way (dragons) but these challenges worth going through , all you want to see is your kids smile ! Because these moments are like Gold to you
6 _ Vault of Knowledge: it’s the elderly part of your life , you gained a lot of information and a lot of experiences and it’s the point that you ready to leave this life
7_ eye of eyden : it’s the end , your soul left your body but you still want to stay with your kids and you still want to care and look after them but the light in the end tells that it’s ok , your kids are under my protection so you accept your destiny and you will go through your beautiful memories
Connecting to this idea, i also found this poster in || the office||
well that’s already canon
not really a theory but it’s still nice to see what others think 
They even said it in live-streams
Yeah @maiden glen it’s exactly what I was gonna say, I didn’t think of the right words to say. I do notice the pot replaced the candles after prairie cutscene too but I didn’t think about how elders would influence the outside world that time
Now that I’m seeing it again, I’m thinking why the rain stops when you light up the end of the bridge, my mind was like ‘what if the forest elder feel our presence’. Probably through the ring of the bells and she could hear it, thinking someone will come to the temple.
Omg so much unanswered questions to solve it’s hurting my braincells! 
all i wanna find is evidence to support that sky and journey are probably happening at the same time 
though maybe they have weather machines up there in the clouds
rain being a defense mechanism against enemies perhaps
we do see spirits using umbrellas and running from the rain so when the bell towers ring in unison it stops the rain for a brief amount of time
Jenova said sky is a spiritual sucessor to past games, I don’t think they’re happening at the same time/same universe
I think they still connect somehow 
Many similarities like the story arc, the enemies, the mountain...
I’ve also seen some interesting theories with the broken structures in the vault looking the same as the ones from journey
agreed
They do resemble the structures found in Journeys “vault” level. I always seem to find small connections to Journey whenever i’m in Vault 
maybe the parallel universes connected some time ago before the eden explosion seperated the two worlds 
And maybe that the journey boys people help constructed the vault
ohohoho
y e s
especially since vault vault looks like the white being from journey
The vault elder do have some similarities to the caped journey people. That could be highly possible 
They want to pass down their traditions to the kingdom

They do have some similarities. It’s kinda crazy. Even vault elder clothes resembles the cloak a bit if I don’t remember wrong 
yup
Maybe the vault elder is a descendant of the Journey people
perhaps
We got the runes from parts of the vault
or maybe an apprentice from one of the journey people
like I said it could be that they passed down their traditions to the spirits
the spirits are just chilling
though yeah they did pass down traditions
like the masks perhaps
Oo i was thinking, what if the spirits in vault or vault elder were like descendant/s of the people from journey, and yeah passing down the tradition until it reached the time of the recent vault elder
Imo vault elder was the strangest to me even from my first impression from them. The hair, the mask and why in eden their eyes are closed (yes, I do know it was inspired by some mythology?), their actions, mainly when they were kissing (or whispering something) the diamond before releasing it through the air
I think whats strangest is the markings on the mask.
They don’t seem.. naturally put there? More like chipped away or damaged than painted on or something.
yup looks like someone or something caused those damages to appear on Vault Elder’s mask

or just terrible mask material 
If we think about it, maybe since vault is in front of wasteland, someone got in, but that’s when the eden explosion happened
what do yall think broke the isle gramps mask
Maybe Isle elder is the meaning of like, if someone helps you, try to see if you can help others
Since we help him by giving him light, and he leads the birds to orbit
For Vault Elder, personally i thought it might happen within the Vault itself, perhaps something with the Archives?
As for Isle Elder, perhaps with the lack of lights, his mask slowly begins to crumble
hence the mask falling to pieces and blinding him
( and may evidence that with enough light sources he could repair his mask back into one piece, as seen in his cutscene )
Hmmm, makes sense that isle elder was lacking light, if you see the candle places in isle, there aren’t a lot
mhm mhmm
ironic cus its isle of dawn lol
It’s also a bit odd the vault elder rarely stands. They always are sitting minus the one part of the cutscene. Even in the elder hair part the elder is sitting. Maybe this also has to do with the mask? Maybe the darkness of Eden being so close to the vault had something to do.
i had a random lore idea that i really like:
what if the entire game takes place inside the power diamond (the “eye” of eden), we children of light represent the power diamond gaining self-awareness, trying to understand itself by experiencing memories of the world
to me this could explain how the forest temple is also the first krill room in wasteland, and how the vault elder statues appear in eden (only in ruins).
Maybe the vault elder serves as another ruler of sorts? Considering the Eden elder is arguably a “king” of all with the castle being there at the very top and last. The vault seems to be a part of that castle with the entryway from vault to Eden looking like castle corridors. It’s hard to tell considering Eden is in shambles however.
there’s a line from the japanese livestream that talks about the child’s mission is to return light that will return oshio. any japanese speakers know what the oshio reference means?
I always thought of the vault elder as the head scholar of the archives/library/whatever-the-vault-holds
Google translate says salt so I have no idea.
