lore-discussion-spoilers

[frail iris]

Yeah

[inland dune]

I felt that searching two shield theory

[sand abyss]

welcome to the lore channel, Turtle hehe

[sly kestrel]

it’s been like 2 minutes since we told u about the search bar.....

[frail iris]

Reeeee

I will become the vault of knowledge by tomorrow morning

[sand abyss]

the two shields theory an interesting one tbh

or even just the battlefield itself

[sly kestrel]

The whole realm 😂

[inland dune]

Tru

[sand abyss]

indeed, Wasteland is very interesting for us lore seekers

[sly kestrel]

If u wanna see our huge paragraphs or insights of that theory
Search shield or diamond symbol, or something like that

[frail iris]

Yeah yah yeah

[sand abyss]

us tbh

[sly kestrel]

if u somehow read that whole thing in a few minutes and u still have questions
We’ll try to answer

[sand abyss]

we could try make a short summary or something if you like ?

[frail iris]

The giant thing in the “ski hill one” (forgot name) with all the rings and stuff, that’s gotta be some sort of power source of sorts, because being just in that region charges you

[sand abyss]

a quick run down as to what some theories are

[frail iris]

No no it’s fine I’m questioning everything lol

[sly kestrel]

Are you talking about the spinny ball thing

In the valley of triumph

[frail iris]

Thank you yes

[sand abyss]

[frail iris]

😭

Yeah yeah

[sly kestrel]

Wow there’s a gif for it....

[sand abyss]

this one called an orrey

[sly kestrel]

Why haven’t I seen this before 😐

[frail iris]

Ooh ok

WHAT?!

[inland dune]

I wish I could stay longer, but I need sneep, byeee

[sand abyss]

and now you do

lmaoooo, also cya Random!

[sly kestrel]

goodnightttt

[frail iris]

@sly kestrel it’s the other path at valley of triumph, the left path wich requires unlock

Yeah your not higher class

[sly kestrel]

I’m too broke for discord nitro

[sand abyss]

yup that’s path leading to the citadel

i got the nitro as a gift sooo

[sly kestrel]

a giFt?? WAT

[compact scarab]

Same skymii

[frail iris]

And it’s one of my favorite places tbh, oh is there a official lore to that? Or just speculation?

[compact scarab]

Boop! Hello

[sly kestrel]

Not really no

[sand abyss]

mostly speculation but they pretty fun to talk about

since someone made a theory that the orrey based off the solar system of the game

[sly kestrel]

But I remember u saying something about a power source
And it wasn’t the spinny ball thingy, it was actually a power diamond

well....multiple power diamonds

[compact scarab]

The lower diamond from eden?

Power*

[sand abyss]

ooo the diamonds !

[frail iris]

Yeah it is! But tbh I think it’s a source of power, cause when you get close to it, it charges your light

[sand abyss]

ah wish i have the emoji for it

[frail iris]

The diamonds?

[sly kestrel]

This one is almost to the point of being confirmed

[compact scarab]

there is an emoji for it?

[sand abyss]

power diamonds ~

[frail iris]

The things you give to the big guys?

[sand abyss]

mmm don’t think so but would love to use it if there is one

[compact scarab]

The things u give to the big guys? Do u mean ascended candles ? Like Eden candles?

They got the ♦️ mark on them

[sly kestrel]

But the idea of it is
The daylight prairie realm stored butterflies in these pots and they were shipped to the forest realm
This realm cut down trees and used the shipped pots to make power diamonds and these diamonds are blue. You can see then almost everywhere in forest and valley

[frail iris]

@sand abyss why is it that you don’t exist? Like I click your name and you just aren’t

[sand abyss]

perhaps i’m a ghoooOOOooost

[frail iris]

He’s a spirit lol quick take his light

[sly kestrel]

I don’t have screenshots but I noticed that when a power diamond is used, it’s common for there to be blue cracks all over the structure and these blue cracks were seen below the spinny ball thingies. And there was another one below the main ball in the citadel. So overall I think it’s safe to say that the power diamonds are what the citadel uses

And I can click on his name....

Does that mean I’m special? 🥺

I can spot GHOSTS

[frail iris]

I mean wait

[sand abyss]

perhaps so Jay

Hmm must be something wrong with your discord Turtle

might be laggy if that’s the case

[frail iris]

The blue diamonds with the big dudes at the end of each level?

[sly kestrel]

Spam click it
Or tap it
Whatever device ur using, jus spam it

[frail iris]

Ide rather not break my phone lol

[sly kestrel]

Also they come in many sizes so.....I don’t know which specific one but talking about

[frail iris]

I pulled up name but can’t do anything else lol, HES FAKEEEE

[sly kestrel]

NO HES REAL TRUST ME

or

I think he is...

[frail iris]

Are we thinking of the same thing when we say diamonds?

[sly kestrel]

We are talking about 3 different things right now

[frail iris]

Like the giant one below the Elivator in vault

[sly kestrel]

Ohhh yea that one too

Those have cracks as well

[frail iris]

Augh!!

“Which diamonds are we talking about”

[sand abyss]

[frail iris]

“Yes”

[sand abyss]

many

[sly kestrel]

It was also said that the diamonds were the cause of the kingdom’s downfall....

[frail iris]

Yeah they must be contained power

Ooh snap

[sly kestrel]

Butterfly pots + stuff in trees=
Power diamonds

[sand abyss]

I like to make connections that Forest and Eden has some sort of alliance with each other

[frail iris]

Tbh do you think they went this deep or are we just digging our own treasures here?

[sand abyss]

and that Eden uses the diamonds that Forest made for the developments of the Kingdom

[frail iris]

The forest made the diamonds?

[sly kestrel]

Yes

“The forge”

[sand abyss]

I mean, could be since the Elder seen to be the blacksmith there

( especially with the hammer and that anvil )

[frail iris]

I think wasteland and Edin are the only two that are corrupted and the remaining ones are safe from this corruption in a way

[sly kestrel]

She also has a hammer and anvil on her constellation

[frail iris]

Oh forgot that one

[compact scarab]

@quasi rock so Im not sure what “baby moths” are but moths are generally new players or new borns who’s just started playing and are in the default set up. Their cape is brown and kinda looks like a moth’s wing

[quasi rock]

oooH

ty~

[sly kestrel]

And they are clumsy at flying

Like moths

[quasi rock]

pFfFff

[compact scarab]

Yup

[sand abyss]

hehee

[frail iris]

Accurate

[sand abyss]

hence the nickname moth

[compact scarab]

People call them moths, brownies newbs, newborns ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frail iris]

When you see a brown wing with 9 lvls: hidden in plain sight

[sly kestrel]

I remember when I first started flying I flew over a cloud and landed at the bottom of existence and then my game crashed

But anyways, I forgot what we were taking about

[frail iris]

I flown to the cutscene area where the valley of triumph is.

[sand abyss]

ehhh we’re talking about moths

[sly kestrel]

Moths are cool

[sand abyss]

before was the power diamonds

[sly kestrel]

OHH YEA POWER DIAMONDS

[frail iris]

“What are we talking about?”
“Yes”

[sly kestrel]

So turtle u were asking sumthing about power diamonds
What was it?

[frail iris]

Yeah no I’m saying the actuall region the two big guys fight for the diamond, it’s a separate place

[sly kestrel]

Ignore my spelling I’m jus rlly lazy

[frail iris]

I was just saying I think they’re a stored power that came from the edin one

But let me explain something here:
You guys: what is it you are questioning?
Me: yes

[sly kestrel]

I have an idea for the power source of the eden diamond
One day I went to eden with a friend and noticed light creatures going into these pipes that led straight to the diamond. I’m not sure if they were actually going to the diamond but I made a theory they those light creatures were feeding the huge power diamond

yep

Animal cruelty

[frail iris]

What if we’re all sacrifices being fed the light to fatten up light cattle only to be eaten by the edin, when we actually think we’re trying to stop it

👀

[sand abyss]

hmm perhaps they found a safe route to Orbit

i mean how else would you see these light creatures when you travel upwards to orbit ?

[sly kestrel]

We aren’t stopping eden, we are simply giving the fallen stars their light back and it happens to be at a place where there’s a huge diamond destroying everything

[frail iris]

heavy breathing what if were all just being used

Yeah I think the game should make a part two after you restart

[sly kestrel]

I forgot who it was but someone decided to see where those creatures went but it was sadly out of bounds

[frail iris]

But when we give them their light kinda seems futile, I mean you can’t escape the red stuff and they all clearly couldn’t,

And there is no safe way to end, you lose everything either way

Smh it really do be like that sometimes

[sly kestrel]

We if u look at it like that
We technically are being used, we were sent for this huge mission, not to live peacefully in a huge sky kingdom

[lost hull]

Eden is supposed to represent Death itself

[frail iris]

Even though edin is commonly referred to as heaven and peace, something clearly went wrong

Wing buffs?

[sly kestrel]

Eden and it’s rebirth and purpose is rlly hard to explain

[frail iris]

Oh that ok

All I know is you have a max lvl of 9 I think

[sand abyss]

max is 6 wedges

[sly kestrel]

The maximum is 59 I think but I haven’t checked in a while

[frail iris]

Wings, you can have 9 I thought

[sly kestrel]

59 star thingies

Wing buffs

[frail iris]

Same difference

[sly kestrel]

Wedges are the thingies that allow you to make one full boost

[frail iris]

K Gnight lol

[sand abyss]

Nini!!

[sly kestrel]

Hey what if he’s older then all of us

U never kno

[frail iris]

I am many moons of age

[sand abyss]

[frail iris]

I know much and yet so little it seems

[sly kestrel]

U have much reading to do

[frail iris]

Yes quite so, ok my fellow light bearers, May we talk again some time

[sly kestrel]

when I first joined and seen the pinned messages, I was hooked for about 2 weeks and now I’m jus making theories everywhere

Goodnighttt

That’s the dead call

I call it

Players that aren’t acquainted have that call and if u lose all ur light somehow, u have that call as well

[spring blaze]

wasnt in beta you lost your emotes instead of light?

something like that

[sly kestrel]

Yupp

Eden threatened ur emotes

@hushed steeple when u lose ur flame, u can still do all the emotes with the light effects.....well except for the teamwork emote

It’s not jus there

Losing ur light at any place makes u have the dead call

[spring blaze]

its probably going back to our true voice: the human call

like all the calls we have are learned, but the human call is the one we’re born with it

we start with it, we reborn with it?

[sly kestrel]

Oh the default call is different from the dead call

[wary prism]

chibi mask also goes off in that spot right?

[sly kestrel]

Hello there ansolas

I.....haven’t tried that
I’m always tall 😐

[wary prism]

hmmmm i know that when your flame goes out you shoot up to your real height

[sly kestrel]

Oooooh

I don’t wear the chibi mask often so I never knew about it’s chibi physics

[wary prism]

sort of reverting to your default/real state

hsfudaikj n

[spring blaze]

idk if the chibi mask goes off?

we did eden a few days back and my character was still tiny

[sly kestrel]

Well all ur cosmetics go off

[wary prism]

ooooo

[sly kestrel]

Maybe bc.....you were short from resize potions?

[spring blaze]

but im taller now so maybe it does and i just didnt notice?

my height was like average height

noticeable when you change from chibi masks to other masks. but maybe im just oblivious

much like krills and crabs, dark plants also makes krill flakes dark particles

i just noticed this

[wary prism]

dandruff

[spring blaze]

spreading weeds

[sly kestrel]

Well they all have one common thing
They have “dark” in the name

Ima name it
DARK DANDRUFF

[spring blaze]

ah yes, dark dragon, dark plants, dark... crabs

soot

yeah i think

[sly kestrel]

We also have that dark dandruff when we get hit by the rocks in eden at the end....

Ok I needa new name

Dark dandruff don’t sound right

[wary prism]

Just darkness could work

[sly kestrel]

DUST

[sly kestrel]

Yupp there it isss

[spring blaze]

i mean krills have their nifty eye light

peep ans in the corner lolol

[sly kestrel]

We all see you 👀

[wary prism]

hmmm i think the redish glow we see when we burn them is more of a AAAHHHH im being damaged thing rather than releasing light?

[sly kestrel]

Oh that’s the light particles u get when u melt it

[spring blaze]

when we burn the normal, tiny dark plants they disappear with a burst of light and wax

so theres a possibility of “theres good in everything”

[sly kestrel]

“Dark plants steal light”
Well we harvest that light and make candles from it, if u take the light and reset the server, the dark plant will simply be a dark plant. No light inside if it, jus a dark blue.......plant

Also I never thought of krills harvesting or taking the light
I always thought they were rather destroying it. When you pour water on fire, the water doesn’t take the fire, it extinguishes it
Jus like krills, they don’t take it, they get rid of it

Oh and crabs do it too, they extinguish any lanterns they see.....including us

Well if they extinguish light from lanterns and stuff, I’m pretty sure they would want to do it to us too bc.....well our main source of our body is light

[spring blaze]

i always saw krills as consumers of light

as long as u can back it up yeah

thats what i always say haha

[sly kestrel]

I don’t think of it like eat I think of it like.....extinguish
Or simply getting rid of it

Go away light

[spring blaze]

but why?

its ok haha

[sly kestrel]

what if I donate you a phone

Will u have the evidence then

📲——> Boop

Well what are you looking for specifically

I can be ur second man that does everything for u and while u yell at me and give me orders

but if u tell me to go die at eden I’m out

[spring blaze]

if u wanna look at eden im sure @wary prism would b willing to look around with me for u

or maybe not, but its easier with two

[sly kestrel]

Easier with 3

Join ussss

And we shall all die for the sake of lore

[spring blaze]

did u even accept my friend request jay

[sly kestrel]

Idek what we are looking for

[sand abyss]

oh? Lore Trip I see

[spring blaze]

skymii join us for a field trip to eden!

[sly kestrel]

And omg I am so sorry I meant to accept it a while ago but I never did

[spring blaze]

haha its ok

its still valid i think, i didnt delete it from the crown

[sand abyss]

oh! Might need to do eden but didn’t know if i have time for it

[sly kestrel]

I accepted ansolas before u and that’s sad bc u asked first...🥺

[sand abyss]

after all, managed to finish the entire constellations... just need to get the vault hair and i’m d o n e

[spring blaze]

aw its alright

yay skymii!!

[wary prism]

congrats!

[sly kestrel]

I’m fine with an eden trip, I jus gotta kno what to look for

[sand abyss]

thanks you two!

[sly kestrel]

hmm

U mean that spiky ball thingy in the middle?

[spring blaze]

you can take a bigger look at it with the bug dark plant bases

theyre like little balls of oil

the same rainbowy stuff you’ll see on wasteland water

yeah

[sly kestrel]

Well the spiky ones can be found at forest and it’s jus the spiky balls itself without any outer flaps

So jus the balls?

U mean like this?

I didn’t think inappropriate until u mentioned it 😐

[spring blaze]

theyre

uh

... blue balls of rainbow oil

[sly kestrel]

Round shapes

Well those balls are on the spirits when u already completed them

[scarlet wren]

I wonder what those pots originally held

[spring blaze]

i like to think that little room is like a lil storage area

[scarlet wren]

bc looking at the dark plants that don’t rotate on the dark plant days eg, Whale bones and the place where the Play dead spirit died, what if

[spring blaze]

or a tiny tiny workshop of sorts

considering theres an intact boat near the room too, its like a small workshop or a storage room

maybe? possibly!

[sly kestrel]

Oh I thought it was something from beta where there was this dark plant spider thingy

[spring blaze]

this bad boy?

[sly kestrel]

There were a lot of pots around that area that had dark plant balls on the top

[sly kestrel]

Yess that

And omg what am I looking at, I’ve never seen this before

[spring blaze]

i sent a pic from the beta album ^^

[sly kestrel]

Seems like I still have much to learn 🧐

[spring blaze]

basically there was a statue there in the room and the devs just pushed it under instead of getting rid of it

so now its buried under the tunnel room

[sly kestrel]

Is it there....in the current live version?

[spring blaze]

someone here in discord mentioned it and me, being a oob enthusiast, dragged ans and rose with me to find it

yeah!

that pic was taken last week!

[scarlet wren]

I think it’s tied to the spirit in that room

[wary prism]

if you'd like i could yeet us down there again

[spring blaze]

yeah

[sly kestrel]

And no one TOLD ME ABOUT THIS

[scarlet wren]

Well i guess it’s more like i know it is, bc at one point in beta it had a burnable plant

[sly kestrel]

Also wdym pot mask?

[scarlet wren]

and not like, early beta just some time in uhh belonging beta?

[sand abyss]

prairie mask!

i think

[scarlet wren]

that’s the one

[sly kestrel]

.....it’s a pot??

Seriously??

[scarlet wren]

yeah!!

[sand abyss]

mhmm!!

and now you know

[sly kestrel]

Omg I really do have much to learn

I knew the isle mask was a boat
BUT THAT WAS A POT

[sly kestrel]

Ok I’m still kinda confused tho, how does that resemble a pot

[scarlet wren]

I HAD THE SAME REVELATION MDHFJFNFJ

[sly kestrel]

Oop

I see it now

[spring blaze]

i didnt know that statue still existed until there was a small discussion of someone accidentally clipping thru the prairie lobby and finding yet another tucked away beta build

gotta keep my ears 👂 and eyes 👀 open

[sly kestrel]

Yea it’s a pot

I

Jus learned something new

Wait a secondddddddd

[sand abyss]

the valley masks will forever be a mystery for me

[sly kestrel]

Isle mask is a boat....prairie mask is a pot....forest mask is a diamond

[scarlet wren]

i think i caught footage of that statue on that art stream but i’m not with my laptop atm fjfhjf

[spring blaze]

wastelands has helmets

[sand abyss]

Wasteland is Whale i think, especially for the faint spirit and Elder

[spring blaze]

i forgot valley

vault is the scholar head piece

oh thats a good way of identifying people actually

[sand abyss]

yeahhh Valley kinda hard to tell what they meant to represent

[scarlet wren]

the vault head piece also looks like a tower

[sand abyss]

mhmm mhmm

hence the long vertical piece on their head

[spring blaze]

the valley’s elder masks are said to be simple because they’re athletes and needs to have comfortable wear

theyre athletic masks

[sand abyss]

they do sports after all

like the Romans

or was it Athenians ???

[sly kestrel]

Isle is known for its boats
Prairie is known for their pots
And forest is known for their diamond forge
Isle has a boat mask, prairie had a pot, and kamiho has a diamond
Wasteland elder also has a whale mask and their corpses are on the battlefield.....
Valley’s masks represented twins...
WHY HAVENT I NOTICED THIS EARLIER

[sand abyss]

don’t forget vault too!

[sly kestrel]

Idk about vault tho

[sand abyss]

[sly kestrel]

It’s jus a

Plate

With runes

[sand abyss]

plate to serve!

[spring blaze]

valley only has like one-two masks?

[sly kestrel]

Runes are cool

[sand abyss]

two masks for valley

[spring blaze]

vault is for scholars

[sly kestrel]

Yea each mask represented their opposite like the statues had them too
A left and a right
Each with one eye

Like.....yin and yang ya kno

[wary prism]

Not a great image to show both the masks but it’s the only one I can find 😔

[spring blaze]

so they have fancy long head plates that looks like the long ceramic sushi plates and has runes on them

[sly kestrel]

that screenshot makes it look like they jus had a baby

[spring blaze]

heres the male valley one

[sly kestrel]

Well wasteland is a whale mask
And I only connected it by the whale corpses

In the graveyard

That guy literally reminds me of Kakashi but anyways
I still don’t kno what vault mask is supposed to be..

[scarlet wren]

tower

[spring blaze]

yep they have a mask

[scarlet wren]

bc vault is a tower

[spring blaze]

a plate of runes

[hushed steeple]

yeah i think the vault elders mask represents knowledge

[sly kestrel]

It had runes

[spring blaze]

just a thought, but kinda like tablets for rules and stuff like in the bible

but

[sly kestrel]

Or some type of writing on it

[spring blaze]

on their heads

[hushed steeple]

because it s the vault of knowledge and it’s like significant for its books and stuff or whatever

[wary prism]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/641128555467505667/IMG_0446.JPG
close up of vault mask runes posted by seraph a while back

[scarlet wren]

was it the telekinesis spirit that sells the mask or?

[sly kestrel]

Yes sirrr

[hushed steeple]

on a kinda unrelated topic has anyone else thought the valley twins were both male?

[sly kestrel]

Bonus points for whoever can translate the vault mask writing

[hushed steeple]

ive always thought they were

[scarlet wren]

bc i had the assumption that particular mask allowed for telekinesis since that spirit is the only one that displayed this ability but i dunno

[wary prism]

same here aria

[spring blaze]

theres a pinned doc made by mochi about the vault texts

on their plates

[scarlet wren]

I think that’s a common interpretation

[hushed steeple]

same

[spring blaze]

androgynous ig

[sly kestrel]

Honey where can I find this doc

Omg

[spring blaze]

... pinned

[hushed steeple]

what if... they don’t... have genders...

[sly kestrel]

Ginsy*

[spring blaze]

i said it was pinned haha

OH

[hushed steeple]

h o n e y

[spring blaze]

[sly kestrel]

yes but WHERE

Ok to save me time

[sly kestrel]

....do u mind telling me what the doc said 🥺

[hushed steeple]

i have a theory on krill

[sly kestrel]

Ok fine I’ll look at it

[spring blaze]

sure ill summarize

[hushed steeple]

also i named the isle elder gandalf

[sly kestrel]

Ok I read it

Aria what was ur theory on krill??
Sorry if we interrupted u

[spring blaze]

i call him gramps

and he deserves love

[sly kestrel]

I call him isle elder 😐

Prairie I cal him chonk

[spring blaze]

hes like the grandparent everyone doesn’t call

[sly kestrel]

Because I jus do

he’s so tall, one day, ILL BE JUS LIKE HIM

[spring blaze]

me too he was the first elder i visited oob and i was absolutely amazed

[sly kestrel]

My first was Orion 😂

Or

[spring blaze]

its what sparked my love for oob

[sly kestrel]

Wasteland elder

[spring blaze]

orion sounds neat

[sly kestrel]

And then I visited kumiho

Which was pretty cool

She smacked me with a hammer

if u don’t kno what kumiho is
It’s basically a 9 tailed fox and it was in her concept arts, it apparently stuck with her because there are 9 braids on the forest elder’s hair

[spring blaze]

really? woa

tgc pls... spare lore

[sudden sleet]

This channel discussion should be about Sky lore...

[sly kestrel]

Tgc mainly focuses on bugs and upcoming seasons
I don’t think we’ll ever get lore answers 😔

Apparently it’s not sky lore but it is what the forest elder was sorta based on

And now
I shall take a nap

[wind bone]

I thought the forest elder was based on a lynx

[spring blaze]

new seasons brings additional lore owo but still

[sly kestrel]

It’s based on a lot

Lost count

[spring blaze]

is this abt current forest or beta forest

[sly kestrel]

Also I’m not actually taking a nap

I have a 5 page essay due but anyways

Goodnight Boop

And ginsy

👋🏼

[spring blaze]

gd afternoon, work on that essay!

[hushed steeple]

i feel like sky is about the process of being born, growing up, growing old, and dying

and doing it over and over again

[rough steeple]

@compact scarab you were right. No cape shadow

[sly kestrel]

It can be a part of the lore I guess
Our cosmetics are from dead spirits and our capes are pure light so it makes sense that we don’t have a proper shadow but
One of the main reasons is because it would cost soooo much if the shadows matched our character and our tiny phones can only hold a decent amount of detail and design. It would also be incredibly hard for the devs to add matching shadows and it’s just a minor small design, why waste all these resources and time for a really small detail.

[rough steeple]

@sly kestrel I really do think that the shadow we see is dynamic. I'm not sure why the cape isnt included but what I am beginning to wonder having played with that video creation a bit is how that shadow is being done. It looks like it's being ray traced to me, but when I look close, i see that the the hand is just a circle, and the arms are straight lines, so I'm thinking that there's some trickery going on to give the illusion of a shadow without it actually being one. That, in and of itself, is pretty cool.

[elfin vessel]

Isle elder is based on Charon

Charon was the ferryman from the Isle of the Dead (Isle of Dawn) to the Underworld

I did more on this thought process: https://pastebin.com/e8vzqNrC

In beta the elder was literally a ferryman

[sly kestrel]

....never seen that before

[elfin vessel]

The Valley link is a bit weak

But the rest of it lined up reasonably well

[strange river]

@elfin vessel I might agree, however, doesn’t dawn mean the beginning of the day? shouldn’t charon be based on something more at dusk than dawn? i really like your theory though!

and it does make sense...

your theory I mean.

[frail iris]

There’s still a lot of people on this

[cold steppe]

@sly kestrel I believe the devs originally tried to put shadows in for the capes, but ended up scrapping it because, like you said, it's too hard to individualize them

[rough steeple]

@sly kestrel thinking about it overnight, I think even more so that the shadows are dynamic, but not "really" shadows. When you see a shadow for a bird, or a manta, it's always just a circular area, which says to me that the shadow is no ray traced as such, but they are using some sort of tracing to position the shadow and orient it so that the effect passes cursory view.

[maiden glen]

It’s been stated before that the lack of cosmetic and cape shadows was cut because it would a) be a lot for mobile devices to handle and cause lag as well as b) was a thing the dev team had to cut because of resources (Correct me if I’m wrong please)

So I wouldn’t think too deep into it

[rough steeple]

@maiden glen oh but it’s fun to speculate and play with

[maiden glen]

It is!

[rigid crystal]

Um, the shadows in the game are definitely not ray tracing, they're simple shadow maps

Cape not casting a shadow is likely a mix between conflict of performance vs artistic intent: The capes could likely be made of light and that is a good explanation in itself.

However there is also the option that because the devs already said they were having issues with performance of the textures on capes, which were in the game earlier and these days we have simple textures now(gratitude capes, red green and white/gold capes). It's a possibility that they're compromising on shadowmap render distance for player models already, and adding the very dynamic capes which have their own shader for the recharge effect, that it could simply be way too much of a performance penalty when 8 players are close.

You can already see the game lag on the latest iPhone/iPads when in the 9 player puzzle and someone sets off a firework or two, and if you up the graphics to high res and 30fps it definitely has some issues.

Earlier in development the capes were dynamic with unique patterns just like in Journey, where once you finished eden your cape evolved it's pattern

Idk how much lore there is to look into it

[compact scarab]

Well I just thought it would be fun to make a small lore about the cape not having a shadow as it's made from light

[hushed steeple]

okay so krill theory

the krill, like most dark creatures, were once full of light. but when darkness fell upon the kingdoms, they were corrupted along with it, but they did not die. they turned into creatures hungry for light. it seemed like they wanted to destroy all light... but maybe they need it because they lost their own light and it’s all they can do to survive and to keep the darkness from eating them alive.

[spring blaze]

i knew i read the consumed light somewhere

[scarlet wren]

hungry hungry krill

[maiden glen]

They are hungy,

[spring blaze]

light gummy lite gummy

[maiden glen]

Hungry hippos but Krill instead

[minor light]

i have a forest elder theory

so for the vault elder cutscene, we see the forest elder with her anvil and hammer standing in front of a group of people
The general idea i have is that with her anvil and hammer, using the light from her head crown mask thing, she created the whole forest, and gave life to it. with the very little light she had left, she created the now spirits you find in the forest.
because she used her life to create the forest, her soul is also implemented into it, so with her tears comes rain, with her happiness comes sunshine, etc. when you pray at the shrine, she almost seems amazed by the light you are carrying, so she grabs it and makes something new. idk how to continue this theory i was just bored.

[celest spoke]

Took another look at the new(ish) vault cubes, and some of the designs remind me of very stylized ideographs.

[hushed steeple]

i still want to know

what are sky kids made of

i need a good answer

[spring blaze]

no solid answer but imo baked clay

or stone, iron

[hushed steeple]

TGC said all the creatures come from the light and the game is called child of light. I’d say it’s safe to assume they’re made up of pure light

well, all creatures that aren’t of the dark

[hollow viper]

mmm but if they are made purely of light they wouldn’t have a shadow

[hushed steeple]

light manifested into a physical form. otherwise it’d be like the air itself. same how the mantas and birds have physical forms but are born of the light

[hollow viper]

i think that they are a mix of things that the lady of the begging used to make because we can see that there is a lack of light in the sky

enough light to create that many kids

[spring blaze]

i think the child of light is more of a metaphor (???) than a literal thing

idk how to explain it though

[hollow viper]

yeah

[hushed steeple]

possibly. i think the form taken after dying in eden is their true form. a being of light. it then manifests into a physical form in order to be able to interact with the physical world. that’s just my 2 cents.

[spring blaze]

yeah

[warped reef]

(From general chat, )
Does Sky even have kings? They have elders... do we consider those fallen kings maybe

[spring blaze]

*cracks fingers * oh boy em you should check out the lore channel more often

[sand abyss]

perhaps so~

[drifting copper]

oh b o y

[frail iris]

Well I think edin was the kingdom but it went to heck and now it’s all corrupted

[drifting copper]

eden was the big boi kingdom

[hushed steeple]

ive always imagined the creatures of light (mantas and stuff) to be spirits reborn as creatures of light to guide their saviors along on their journey idk lol

[sly kestrel]

I always knew the creatures had a physical form but....I also agreed with some people that they are simply pure light. Have u ever noticed we don’t really touch creatures at all. When riding a manta, we jus float, and butterflies and birds don’t rlly touch us either, they go through us and give us light. I can say the same thing about krills too, if you can get past their wind wall, u can fly straight through them.

[hushed steeple]

what happened to eden

[frail iris]

Blew up

[hushed steeple]

why?

war?

[frail iris]

No idk lol

Imo I’m assuming that due to being too powerful they created something they couldn’t control. And restarted in things such as the golden wasteland and the eye of edin being the way that they are

[hushed steeple]

eden looks like some kind of factory'

is it like some kind of nuclear meltdown

So you’re saying

Eden is literally

That one famous radioactive abandoned place

Uhh

chernobyl?

well the lore did say eden was some kind of "power diamond" that blew up

so yeah

i guess its kinda like that

maybe whales and butterflies were mutated by the explosion

and turned into crabs and krill

[frail iris]

Dang ok

But Ide say the golden wasteland is in a more “radioactive” state than edin, endin is just complete chaos

[hushed steeple]

@hushed steeple that’s the way I think of eden (ground zero). all of their power diamonds are small in scale compared to eden’s power crystal, possibly indicating they went overboard with its creation and it went into meltdown (fracturing), and wiping out all life in the nearby vicinity. or somehow this darkness was drawn to the overwhelming light and attacked the crystal.

in old eden, there are dead spirits floating around the crystal. then the stone spirits all around eden, similar to nuclear shadows

the “nuclear” fallout contaminated the ecosystems leading widespread to corruption of the lands (dark plants, mutated wildlife like crabs).

maybe some things were transformed during the blast into empty shells of sorts incapable of holding light and feeding on it (krill).

Im not sure if the stars falling into the lands should be interpreted literally or if it’s some sort of metaphorical allegory. TGC refers to it as darkness, but instead of being an actual metaphysical force, it simply could have been the dark within the ground people (the corrupt king). or maybe like in lord of the rings with sauron and his mind corrupting abilities

^ The last bit wouldn’t surprise me given Jenova discussed his vision of sky in interviews and wanted to focus on bringing out the best in ppl in sky due to humans having dark tendencies.

[hushed steeple]

headcanon that the storm in journey is the same storm in sky

[delicate belfry]

@hushed steeple that would be pretty amusing. sky is on one side of the mountain and journey is climbing up the opposite side.

[hushed steeple]

and eden is super dark and the snowstorm in journey is like blinding white

[chrome geyser]

There are two wolves

one is dark and throws rocks at you
the other is bright and throws snow at you

you are not alive

[hushed steeple]

Omg lmao

[hushed steeple]

sounds like i need to go play journey

[sly kestrel]

Same

[hushed steeple]

i think eden is like reactor no 4

and golden wasteland is like pripyat

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE/

[rigid crystal]

The real piece to put together is "Why are there only kids solving the issues" while the adults just stand around playing mystery trader for their heart addiction.

Damn boomers destroy the ecosystem and then lets the new generations fix it.

[wind bone]

Well they are like

Dead

[hushed steeple]

yes the spirits are dead

and im pretty sure in the very beginning it says the children of light were created from the stars specifically to bring back the light

[rigid crystal]

I wish there were community goals that would unlock lore, like 10,000 hearts unlocks another wall with pictograms

[sinful trench]

imagine having 10k hearts

[hushed steeple]

were the elders sky kids once?

[minor light]

i dont know

but it would be cool if they were

speaking if elders

why are there like 3 warrior elders

we have the isle elder, the butterfly maker, the blacksmith, the all knowing, and the twins and wasteland

unless the twins dont count as warriors

[hushed steeple]

imagine a sequel where you play as a grown up sky kid

[minor light]

i want a sequel for the elders, like you get to see their story and stuff

[hushed steeple]

maybe that'll explain the story of sky

and what happened with eden

[minor light]

yeah all we know is that darkness fell on the kingdoms, etc.

and that eye of eden is what cuased the storm

maybe eye of eden was like the garden of eden from (i think it was) roman or greek myths

[hushed steeple]

i'd wanna know how they messed up eden so bad

[minor light]

remember the stars that fell?

[hushed steeple]

which ones?

[minor light]

the ones that we’re told about in the prologue

[hushed steeple]

yeah

what about them

[minor light]

didnt they fall from eden or something?

[hushed steeple]

yeah but why

[minor light]

maybe the stars are what kept eden a happy and pretty place

[hushed steeple]

i'd like a sequel that explains how and why eden blew up

[minor light]

but when they fell chaos fell

[hushed steeple]

i think they probably tried to harness too much power from eden

[minor light]

and the stone statues might be the kids that tried to stop the storm

who knows, for now all we have is our imagination

[hushed steeple]

i'm just imagining like i said above

it's chernobyl lol

[minor light]

lmao

ok i googled it

and i cant understand, but i think it says that sky isnt a sequel

like a lot of people thought it was a sequel for journey

so for now we can cross out the events from journey and all the other tgc games

[hushed steeple]

probably not a sequel, but striking similarities. especially now that i’ve seen the stone dragons which bear resemblance to the krill if they had been corrupted

stone dragons = https://journey.fandom.com/wiki/Guardians

[crimson grove]

Sky is a spiritual successor of journey, along with other TGC games

This is taken from an interview with Jenova Chen for the EDGE magazine:

Do you see Sky as a spiritual sucessor to Journey?
I wanted to combine all the games that we've made, and the lessons we've learned, going back to Cloud, which I made in school on a PC - [like Sky] that game is about flying in the clouds. So I wanted to make a new game that had all the good parts of the others. Originally, Sky was actually supposed to be Cloud's sequel. But then as we made it, we realised there were so many things from Flower, Flow and Journey that we wanted to influence it. And so as a result, it's more like a spiritual sequel of Flower, Journey and Cloud.

[rigid crystal]

I wish they would expand on the mystical lore of the game though, you feel like there's something there but it doesn't have the same aura as journey for example

[minor light]

the ending of journey had me crying

[snow loom]

We do know why eden is well eden

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10ZWJRGiJSrIXgDvJ4pST61moZbVB_hBExUjOaF-pmOE

This is handy lore wise

[minor light]

i had no idea this existed thank u so much

question

by eden elder, does it mean the vault elder?

[rigid crystal]

Ah yes, the lore of the shiny bois

[minor light]

wait a minute... the twins had masks?

also at least i know now they are athletes

but why do they carry swords?

i dont think ive seen an arena

oh wait nvm

[rigid crystal]

For eden stuff, there is someone who recently uploaded what eden used to look like: https://youtu.be/n6Y4_q2Rq_o

[snow loom]

Pretty sure they’re separate

[sly kestrel]

@minor light they aren’t swords

@hushed steeple someone asked that question in a livestream and they answered saying that the werent. Skykids and elders are 2 wayyy different things

[spring blaze]

yeah in the elders livestream. i think they also said that even spirits and elders arent the same specied (?)

[sly kestrel]

Yupp

Reika said it I believe

[minor light]

if they arent swords, then are they batons?

[sly kestrel]

The only warrior is the wasteland elder
Prairie is the one that sends the pots to forest, no need for any fighting there

Also if u look at the constellation for dawn, u will notice it’s simply 2 paddles and a ball, not swords ⚔️

[spring blaze]

like cricket bats

[compact scarab]

hmmmm what about the purple cape in forest?

Don't they have a bow?

🏹

[spring blaze]

yeah! one of them had abow

[sly kestrel]

One of my theories is that she shot down the whale (on accident because it’s the stress emote) and it’s body crashing is what caused the rock cave to collapse and kill the cry spirit’s friends

[spring blaze]

thats a pretty tiny bow compared to a massive whale

but thats an interesting fheory that’d make sense too

[ember temple]

Yeah I do wonder what was up with that

It feels kinda improbable that such a small bow could shoot down a whale that huge

[spring blaze]

unless she wasnt alone

like there were other bow people w her not shown in her memory?

[ember temple]

Oh huh that could be true

Like a tribe of hunters or something

[spring blaze]

but i dont think a whale could be taken down that easily if it could crush through buildings like what we see in eden

unless its a younger whale

bc the skeleton is pretty small compared to our bug whale friend

[ember temple]

Target practice?

[spring blaze]

yeah

its like ghosts yknow

[ember temple]

Huh

[spring blaze]

when the spirit with the bow existed at the time, the log tunnels in the final area of forest wasnt there during her timeline

if that makes sense

animal possibly?

her spirt is the oh no one right?

maybe she was just messing around and happened to hit something she wasnt supposed to hit

from where she was she’d be hitting some land around the logs

nvm

shes aiming towards the tree over there

no i get what u mean

the one with the manta under it right

idk its hard to tell from the vid alone

aaa i wish i was a newbie again and actually pay attention

skfjks its ok

around yeahthat

that made n sense

around that yeah**

wym the manta thats now a skeleton? the big skeleton?

yeah

and besides, the skeleton crash site is around the range of the spirit, and if we’re gonna take the “the whale crashed into trees and died” theory, then the whale wouldve been hit somehwere around the entracne of the area?

if that makes sense

like the broken trees we see on the left of the entrance from the orevious area, not sunny

so what was she aiming for??

small enough for like.. the mantas in the area

oh yeah, magic can also come into the play

i kinda always just thought that magical abilities only existed in vault lol

i mean

stares at wasteland manta

possibly

thing is we dont even touch mantas. we like.. float on them

we get purple particle effects

are mantas magic?? is that why theyre hunting them?

yea

idk

uh

i think theyre physical in a way?

we have a manta skeleton in vault. the one that gives the spirit manta call

even though the skeleton makes no sense

like how we’re called children of the light but we have a physical body as well

kinda like the orb in spirits

yeah!

the spirit mantas also has them

maybe thats their core? it looks like a weak spot too

HMMMM?

[hexed turret]

And is also a reference to belonging

Light creatures

[spring blaze]

theyre light creatures

[maiden glen]

If you look at some concept arts fuuuuurther up in chat its always been shown that Mantas are natural and light based
I don’t think they’d be “man made” at all

[scarlet wren]

you could ask that about most of prairie tbh

[maiden glen]

Honestly yea,

Its sky bro, things just float and move and we go with it

[hushed steeple]

I haven’t noticed any power diamonds under the floating islands, so I’d say it’s a natural part of the Sky world, which is pretty magical in its own right.

[rough steeple]

There’s nothing to suggest (anymore) that there is anything other than what we consider floating land. There is no “planet” or body that our land floats “above”. The land just is. Whilst gravity exists there’s no visual indication of what generates that field.

[elfin vessel]

Home seems to be on the planet. Possibly isle also.

The opening titles are after completing Isle - this is where you ascend into the Sky

[tawdry heart]

About <Vault of Knowledge>

What is the meaning of this word 'Vault' in this game?
Is it Arch? Cave? Tomb? Safe?

[humble barn]

depository

[tawdry heart]

So simillar to Safe Building....

Then Korean Translate is Wrong

[humble barn]

but it does have a dome on top and tombstones on the first floor

[tawdry heart]

<Cave of Knowledge>

[humble barn]

지식의 동굴?

[tawdry heart]

Yuh

Cave

Huh

[humble barn]

oh

I guess so

I mean I guess it's a mistranslation

[humble barn]

If you have time please report it. If it was indeed a mistranslation (which can happen), they'll fix it in a future update.

if they didn't we can speculate about Cave of Knowledge lorewise

[drifting copper]

[sand abyss]

would be interesting if there is a cave within the Vault of Knowledge

[icy pewter]

Could the pray spirits room be considered a cave? 🤔

[warped reef]

What would the cave have though

[sand abyss]

hmm

[humble barn]

Yeah that room looks like a natural cave. my speculation goes like what if that cave was really special for the spirits and elders and and they actually built the vault for that cave?

[sand abyss]

[sly kestrel]

I always thought that was something built aside from the vault. And it’s also a graveyard

[icy pewter]

it definitely seems sacred

[sly kestrel]

Well....gravecave

[icy pewter]

in that its where the vault spirits are buried and also the act of praying is located there

[sly kestrel]

Ye
The pray spirit was blessing over the dead I believe

[icy pewter]

Also its the only place where you find those floating star lights in vault? At least the places in vault grounded in reality

[warped reef]

Maybe a cave, off the top of Vault with some secret lore. Something that entices people to traverse the top.

[spring blaze]

the pray spirit was also putting candles on the graves

[celest spoke]

if you float around the 2-person vault area and then keep fainting, eventually you land on a solid floor waaaay down there— straight walls tho, not lumpy cave

[sly kestrel]

Oh that place
Idk if it’s lore related but if u stay there long enough the music shuts off and eventually.....everything will be so dark you can’t even see urself or the light effects from emotes. And u hear footsteps every now and then but it’s nothing rlly

[celest spoke]

Vault is also interesting in that you start out in the hallway from Wasteland (now sealed off) to the elevator room... and then when you get to the “top”, you’re back in the same room but the elevator is broken and the hallway now leads up to the Eden vestibule. And if you keep fainting from the middle floors, you end up in an intermediate version with no elevator at all but the entrance hall is relatively normal

so in a sense the Eden entrance is the same place as the Wasteland exit?

Oh— and also, you can oob back thru the top of the Eden vestibule arch into a maze of fallen stones, like the Vault room completely collapsed behind you

[hollow viper]

could that blue/white dot be orbit?

[lost hull]

Probably. I’ve noticed it in Wasteland, it seems like a new addition to me

[hushed steeple]

why is it in the middle of the vortex?

[modest sequoia]

Would this be the channel to talk about blobs? Anyone watch the Gnomon talk see their whole section on modeling with blobs instead of meshes?

I guess it's hard to gather lore from a shape, but each area seems to have its own unique shape language.
Isle and Prarie - wide, oblong, oval and circular shapes
Forest - Harder vertical edges and planes
Valley - Sloped (duh), round yet angular???
Waste - Windswept ovals? Mixing with harder shapes for the krill swamp
Vault - Solely hard edged shapes and angles?

There definitely seems to be a shape progression to the game, particularly the main path

Round -> square -> triangular -> line -> evil pointy Eden shapes

Removing a dimension/side each iteration

Laughing now, because I remember them talking about how there's a set limit to the # of blobs they can use before the shapes themselves start turning angular.

As the levels got grander, as they kept adding more blobs, they started to become more angular the closer they got to the max blob count.

So either, the guys at TGC are freaking geniuses who were able to plan out and carry a shape progression, a shape story, through an entire game and 7 years of development.

Or it's entirely an accident of limited resources

Which is it?!?!

[scarlet wren]

some times when you write things just line up and it’s absolutely genius but you never realised ahhaha

[celest spoke]

The shape progressions might be an offshoot of the level design wrt phases of life: from round chubby low-slung babies to tall gaunt old age

[delicate belfry]

with the amount of concept art... and the never-before seen concept art that is released in streams (i’m just ) i wouldn’t be surprised if the shape progression was deliberate from early stages

[hallow orchid]

For a sec I thought those were krills and was excited to see round krills

[signal zinc]

round krills tho-

babs

[open perch]

I have a question

Are sky child’s made of clay?

What are we made off?

[lost hull]

I think we’re made of either clay or iron

Could be both but idk

[open perch]

Thank youuu

:”0

:3

[glacial linden]

Hey all this talk of shapes and progression reminds me of how I found myself struggling with intense game slowdowns more and more as the story went on. On some of my Eden runs this is still a big problem—I can’t help but appreciate it regardless?

The open ended nature of this game means that it’s always going to be imperfect–the ambition and scope of the levels and possibilities within them are just too broad to patch out every bug. So instead, you can see some hints of the game’s imperfections earlier on: The wonky camera and slippery controls... I don’t know how common it is to go OOB on your first play through but I must have been led by other players to OOB areas like twice, and wound up in one by myself at least once. It’s another kind of narrative thread, the way the limits of the game and its systems reach their limits and how it becomes more hostile to you as you go on (I don’t even want to think about all the times I’ve had my device overheat and had to quit).

All this to say that the real threat in eden, the real “big bad” in this universe isn’t the krills or the rocks, it’s the lag and that thing where your sky kid doesn’t do what you want them to. 🤷‍♂️

[narrow orchid]

I just had a fun thought... since the aesthetic etc. is similar, also the past publisher Annapurna Interactive.... is Sky in the same universe as hyperlight drifter and Solar Ash Kingdom? Like years in the past or maybe future... separate colonies of beings

[glacial linden]

Oof! Extended TGC Universe theories

[glacial linden]

@waxen galleon regarding your SUPERB suggestion over on #wishlist-and-ideas-archived (seriously kudos), what IS your theory on why the Sky kids can’t break the cycle of life and death? I know you mentioned the broken power crystal, but judging by the depth of the concept you’ve based your suggestion around, I feel like there’s gotta be something more to that... right?

[rigid crystal]

A lot of the oob venturing is due to a great repetitive nature of the game with it's gameplay loop, a wish to gather candles fast and efficient to spend less time on the boring parts, and the explore the game.

First time I went oob on my own I fell through the floor in vault lol

[spring blaze]

what was this for?

[wind bone]

Daily quest

[rigid crystal]

I wonder what happened to the turtle that used to spawn there

They've been cleaning up the game worlds a little, mainly in a mechanical way to improve the core gameplay and flow of the player progression, but some things like that area and the bird in valley citadel are still there.

[edgy sleet]

I think they mentioned during a livestream that it was a mechanic that just wasn't working (the animals like the turtle, I mean.) They didn't really fit.

[rigid crystal]

That's right, they did say that

It's a little disappointing though haha, because if you see the bird you expect it to be a part of something but it's just "leftovers" instead of more lore..

Like the old winter room in the forest end, you can still activate the platform by sitting on it but.. it doesn't do anything.

Imo that stuff hurts the lore

[edgy sleet]

Maybe the bird is essential to the lore. Maybe if you count the snowflakes on the left wing, add in the number of eyes the elders have, then multiply by the number of butterflies in Isle, it reveals a code that can be converted into letters via a secret cipher which spells out the deepest lore secrets.

[spring blaze]

my god imagine that

this chat would go to chaos of tgc ever mentions something like that

[split osprey]

I’ve just noticed
There’s a lounge where you can change your outfit and talk to people at the start of every level, except Vault

[warped reef]

I wonder why there actually is closet space before eden, but not vault. I feel like it’s trying to tell me something

[waxen galleon]

@glacial linden I don’t really know. At some point I had this crazy idea that there was this accident in a nuclear plant and we were workers in our lab coats trying to prevent the core from melting, and saving our colleagues while fighting the radiation.

[warped reef]

That sounds really interesting, Atlantean

[edgy sleet]

Man, I wish Vault had a closet area. Then I wouldn't have to go all the way Home to ||change into my beta cape||

[hushed steeple]

Put it in the suggestions 😂

[celest spoke]

Not exactly lore-related, but in the gleefully overthinking department, the tvtropes page for Sky really needs updating; current version mostly seems based on pre-release trailers/demos.

[lost hull]

I think Vault isn’t real tbh, it seems like a dream to me

Isle wouldn’t have an option to change clothes bc that’s where the moths live

[spring blaze]

isle is the tutorial realm, hence why its mostly barren and not much exploring options. prairie is where the real adventure starts

[obtuse vapor]

i think there’s no closet in the vault because all closet spaces were originally built and intended for ancestors, not sky kids or elders(who probably keep one form). so the vault is probably off limits for any non vault ancestor, and not made for ancestors to be in unless it’s strictly for important things. also the vault is likely a meeting place for elders (summit) which is why they never had any need for changing outfits.
ancestors closets can be used by sky kids too

[modest sequoia]

Ok, so the Arena in valley did have a concessions area. Good, good... I was worried
https://youtu.be/bQTH0bLyvh4
At 7:17

[night mason]

Looking a the first cut scene when you enter Isle I formed a conspiracy... each level is the same kingdom but in different time periods... hear me out... it started in prairie. Everything was beautiful and sunny (kind of like biblical “garden of Eden” ) but then the floods came and rained and shaped the terrain into the wetlands of Forest. A drought then came drying the lands like Isle where the sunken ships were uncovered and the kingdom was restored! The ancestors became naive, experimenting dangerously... they mutated the crabs into giant Dark Dragons which destroyed the land. But the ancestors tried to fight back! Creating a huge war and battle! (This was the wasteland) but the krill pushed in, forcing the ancestor into the last safe haven of the castle... which over time changed too. It formed upward storing the few important things like knowledge in its walls. (Vault of Knowledge) The krill had died out! The kingdom rejoiced! Celebrations were held and people were happy again! (Valley)The ancestors became to ungrateful and stubborn and rivalries began. They found out they were wrong! The krill still were alive and destroyed the castle into chaos and grief! (Eden)The last few ancestor elder lived in each time forbidden castle and all the other ancestor spirits escaped to Orbit! And as a Sky child you explore each era of kingdoms to find the pieces of the story and be reborn again!

[spring blaze]

i was watching the gnomon livestream

and i can NOT believe yui described sunset aka valley as “juicy”

IM CACKLING

[thick isle]

That would be cool consider I’ve always see eden and wasteland as post apocalyptic futures

@night mason

[night mason]

Oh true...

[drifting copper]

it took me so long to realise the krills have a specific path they follow and when led astray from the path they’ll just go right back into place so they’re not really wild animals or experiments gone wrong

the 2 in battlefield have almost synchorised routes which could mean something if yall have any theories

[spring blaze]

yep

[void panther]

I need help for chibi mask

Pls help me

Not about lore I need a group

I asked bro

No one looks there

Can u help me

I sent u request

[lost hull]

Why do you guys think the altars at the top of the Eden castle are similar to Vault?

[sharp vortex]

i think KashaTheBeep mean if we have any idea why they look similar

imo it's because the dream theory

everything you see in Vault were all a dream and this is reality

[drifting copper]

yeah the walls disappeared after the second floor’s black transition to the third floor

i think everything else was sort of like a holographic memory from the elevator

since it drained much faster after the second floor

ooo yeah

probably what was stored in them just took some physical form

holographic but still physical since we can land on things

yeah definitely

with those scholars too

they learned telekinesis bro might as well be sans and papyrus incarnate

i always thought of it like the one place in journey lmao

the sky kingdom has one hell of a basement

i think eden was their only ticket to getting back up to the stars

so i think eden is the attic

oh yeah oop

so just really big basement

[lost hull]

So we’re kind of going with this theory that Vault is kind of hallucinogenic or something, due to the broken capsules?

Especially after the 2nd floor

But that doesn’t explain why you suddenly wake up in that room with the broken elevator

Like why would you stop hallucinating?

Probably

Were the warriors who defended the Vault in wasteland actually defending Vault

Or were they defending Eden?

[lost hull]

What exactly is the civil war theory? I’ve seen the two shields thing but I’m not sure I entirely understand the second theory

[warped reef]

If you do a channel search with civil war something might pop up Kasha

[lost hull]

Coolio, thanks

[royal quarry]

Just noticed that the season of belonging icon is the same one the children of light had in Sky: light awaits.

[hushed steeple]

travelled between dimensions

[zealous sedge]

That wasn’t actually intentional I believe. I think they mentioned the logo in the livestream around the time of belonging when they showed lots of concept art etc and basically said it was similar but not the same. Someone who watched it and has a better memory of exactly what was said can pop in and fact-check/correct me. 🙂

[royal quarry]

Aww hehe, thanks. I was already starting to come up with conspiracy theories as to why the belonging logo resembles the one in Light awaits.

[crimson grove]

yeah they mentioned in the belonging livestream it was a coincidence, which is pretty funny

because it looks exactly the same lol

[royal quarry]

Yeah haha.

[crimson grove]

also fun fact, that old symbol is still inside our characters but very very tiny, and its also on the back of the base shirt (under the capes)

Will see if I have a good pictures of the tiny one hidden inside

[warped reef]

All the small easter eggs from old beta. Love it ^^

[spring blaze]

i was watching the gnomon stream and it was very interesty

i loved seeing all the old concept arts and extra info that we didnt have til now

im gonna make an album of each member’s main focus and pics and hopefully itll be helpful for this channel ^_^ ive already done all but trevor’s bit so i hope i can finish taking pics today and compose them into albums tomorfow

[glacial linden]

Where can I watch it?

[crimson grove]

The vod is in gnomon’s twitch channel!

Here’s the link: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/544455988

[hushed steeple]

My friend thought about maybe star children are like descendants from the elders, or something like that. Just a random thought
I kinda thought about it and I think I see where she’s coming from? With the new intro didn’t it say about how star children are around to restore light to the worlds or something like that? What if the star children are the last efforts of reviving the dying culture and people. That’s why it’s your “mission” to help spirits and explore the worlds
Idk if this is really right just a random thought we had

[abstract badger]

I don’t think they are descendants - just another “species”. A few thoughts were thrown around several weeks ago. Sky kids are basically spirits with stone bodies instead of stars. We relive their memories so as to replicate their culture post-darkness. Our ultimate goal is to give the children their light back, so I’m thinking wing+spirit=child of light.

I think these are the spirits?? I dunno...

So what caused the spirits to, um, transcend?

Death, astral projection, removal of the spirit from the body, whatever you need it to mean

Probably the darkness, idk

[abstract badger]

So, looks like spirits were just people and they wanted stars for light energy, so the stars came down. I think they used that light energy to build the kingdom of Sky and the stars stayed in Eden or orbit or something. When the darkness tainted Sky, however, the narrator in the first cutscene (the person 'speaking' the opening text) scattered the stars and the spirits died out. The light energy (wings) was scattered all over the kingdom and the bodies all fell in Eden, so one can assume that the 'scatterer' is in orbit or something. Unlit Sky children look like star bodies, so they're probably star bodies with candles as their energy source instead of pure star. They also have spirits in them, as you can see when they die, so they can interact with spirits and continue themselves through other Star bodies. Probably the doing of the 'scatterer' so they can eliminate the darkness and unify the kingdom. Not to mention that friends and spirits show up as stars in the sky. Sky kids seem to continue the culture of the spirits while sending the stars back home (orbit?), so cool. Maybe they play the role of stars until the stars are all back? Idk. Now, how did the darkness get there in the first place, and who is the 'scatterer'?

[drifting copper]

i think the spirits worshipped the stars which then led to them becoming a small civilisation that existed before the elders (stars) fell

why else would they follow under these people’s commands and wishes, doing work for them

[abstract badger]

By 'stars' I was referring to winged light

I think the elders were simply pioneers

The ones who lead their groups in building their own separate realm in Sky

[drifting copper]

oh whoOps

i always mistake stars for elders

[delicate belfry]

I like to think that because there are different kinds of stars and objects in space, they're represented by different species of characters in this game. Elders could be class O/B hyper giants, spirits could be B/A giants or main sequence drawfstars and sky kids are red dwarfs or brown dwarfs. The colours classification of stars matches what's in game too. Sky kids by default have a very warm glow. Those stars for wedges could be white dwarfs?

Personally I like to classify sky kids as comets. Due to the orbital cycle and ties with reputation and rebirth. I think it is very poetic how sky kids are pulled in by the gravity of bigger stars.

like check it, this is from the wiki entry on star classification

[drifting copper]

the elders do have that blue glow

[delicate belfry]

yeee and they are bigggg.

[drifting copper]

so them being different species actually makes sense now oop

[delicate belfry]

lol eden = supernova collapse. causing a blackhole with a thematic sense of super gravity. there are blackholes in the center of galaxies. and this whole game... the cycle of rebirth and story reaches climax at eden/blackhole

[drifting copper]

oooooo

[delicate belfry]

I wouldn’t put this past tgc.

[drifting copper]

which would explain the elders being blown away in that one oob

[delicate belfry]

aaand the endless stream of boulders/rock in eden, it’s not rock rain... imagine if it moves in a circular orbit cause gravity is totally mucked up

[drifting copper]

sort of like an asteroid belt then?

[delicate belfry]

yep that’s my go to theory haha

since stars also create planets due to their gravity pulling in star dust created from exploded supernovas. it’s cool that the stars fell from the sky and kinda did the same thing with the planet’s resources. they became leaders in their own little realms and created power diamonds

it’s in their nature?

... boredom is my theory t b h lmao. eden is pretty and all but rebirth pls. I miss ice rinks too much

greek gods got up into all sorts of trouble, and the elders are totally not omniscient or infallible

that’s fine. this channel is just for speculation about lore

well... I kinda joined in very late December so a lot of this stuff is new to me. And it will be new to new players in the future. especially when android goes live,

[tribal locust]

Hello! I'm new here; I had a lore question, don't know if it has been discussed yet. If you look at the shadow of your sky kid, there are no wings/capes visible. Is this just something the devs decided to not include, or do you think it means something?

[delicate belfry]

I guess, sorry if it is sounding repetitive? lol I’ll peace out then and get back to work

[jovial nacelle]

Ok

So this was my conclusion.

Isle was the birth of stars.

[minor light]

Praire was aging

[jovial nacelle]

After a gas explosion / supernova

Which formed us sky kids into protostars

[tribal locust]

Thank you for the clarification @hushed steeple!

[jovial nacelle]

At daylight we slowly become mature stars.

And then finally we become a mature star.

[drifting copper]

nebula cloud

[jovial nacelle]

At hidden forest, it represents the cooling down.

[minor light]

hence the cold rain

[jovial nacelle]

Which kind of makes us a white dwarf?

[minor light]

or a red dwarf

[drifting copper]

or brown dwarf

[jovial nacelle]

At valley I feel like that is when we are starting to go supernova.

[minor light]

and then at vault or eden

[jovial nacelle]

And at wasteland is starting to collide with another star.

[minor light]

vault is the dying stage

and eden is the supernova

[jovial nacelle]

And it repeats.

[minor light]

as we see when we are ||reborn||

[jovial nacelle]

Until the stars die

And all is left

[drifting copper]

this is a very new theory now that we can take wyiott’s theory in with this one

[jovial nacelle]

Is a black hole universe-

[minor light]

I THOUGHT OF A THEORY

[drifting copper]

no need to spoiler tag in here gale

[minor light]

oh ok

So you see these elder cutscenes?

[jovial nacelle]

Yes.

[delicate belfry]

yeah there can’t be life without destruction tbh. wouldn’t have earth if it wasnt for a bunch of other super nova stars exploding and spreading differentelements all over space

[jovial nacelle]

Isle gives you the path.

[minor light]

apparently they take place before time and space

[jovial nacelle]

To where daylight is-

[drifting copper]

yall please one at a time

[jovial nacelle]

Gale starts.

[minor light]

ok so what im trying to say

[jovial nacelle]

[minor light]

is that its been confirmed the elders existed before time and space

and that they were the stars that fell from eden

ok heres a side lore

[drifting copper]

wait aren’t they trapped in a place beyond time and space

[minor light]

they fell during the start of the storm

[jovial nacelle]

The elders fell as blackholes and now are roaming the galaxy to find the stars.

[minor light]

and since they were in eden

there were probably more of their species in eden

[jovial nacelle]

Similar to the sky kids passing their light to ehm-

[minor light]

ik

[jovial nacelle]

Them*

[drifting copper]

eden didn’t exist yet but ok pop off

[minor light]

no it did

cant also forget the stuff the game shows u

they fell from eden so that means

[drifting copper]

no? eden was the first realm to be built

[minor light]

yes, yes it was

[drifting copper]

they fell from the damn skY

[minor light]

nO tHey FeLl FrOm EDeN

[jovial nacelle]

@minor light I just had a thought that, you know how the sky kids deliver the candles to the elders? It feels like they are a star that are supreme but are cooling so we are giving them light so that they don’t die.

[drifting copper]

eden is in the CLOUDS

[minor light]

YES BEANIE CHILD

THAT IS WHAT IM TRYING TO GET TO

[jovial nacelle]

I saved you-

[minor light]

ok they fell from eden then

to try and escape the storm starting

there

[jovial nacelle]

Basically what they meant by fell, is like escaping a collision or a Blad hope.

[minor light]

yes

[jovial nacelle]

Blackhole*

[drifting copper]

i think the Basement theory was better than whatever this is atm lmao

[jovial nacelle]

So the stars moved into another galaxy if that’s possible+

[minor light]

so then they fell in their corresponding areas blah blah

built a kingdom blah blah

ok the elder cutscenes

[jovial nacelle]

The sky kids were formed because of the fallen light that had shattered around eden which resembled the supernova / nebulae cloud

And formed the protostars

The red giants / the elders.

[drifting copper]

can’t yall just make a summary of what the point is and what leads up to said point

this is a mess

[ocean crystal]

XD

[jovial nacelle]

Took control of a sector / realm

[drifting copper]

beanie’s talking gale’s talking

[jovial nacelle]

I know-

[minor light]

OK SO THE CUTSCENS

[jovial nacelle]

We are just “hyped” on theory’s-

[minor light]

we see that the elders take light and create something new

[jovial nacelle]

[drifting copper]

my brain can’t handle 2 people informing

i’m so lost

[minor light]

eg forest, a diamond, vault a story book

[drifting copper]

please turn them into essays

[jovial nacelle]

Ok

[minor light]

OK SUMMARIZING

when we prayed we werent actually the ones to give the elders the light

rather, it was a figment of our imagination

[drifting copper]

WHAT DID WE SAY

ESSAY

big old one essay

[minor light]

fffifiiiine

ill post on docs

no ill write it

so i can flex my pretty handwriting

[drifting copper]

big flex

[minor light]

ill try to finish it before monday

[jovial nacelle]

The birth of sky children theory:
When the elders fell before eden it represented a collision or a blackhole invading the sector they are in / eden. After the collision it pushed the stars away? Anyways. The elders landed to another sector which is the 6 different realms. There they ruled as the supreme giants / elders they are.

[minor light]

WE SAID WRITE AN ESSAY ABOUT IT

[jovial nacelle]

I am doing in paragraphs so that I don’t lose space-

[minor light]

ill explain mine tomorrow then...

might not make sense tho lol

[drifting copper]

so like the collision caused gravity to go outwards thus pushing them away

theories never make sense

we just speculate

[minor light]

its called imagination

[jovial nacelle]

While they were ruling as the supreme giants they didn’t know a knew life was beginning, the nebulae cloud after the collision formed protostars which were the sky kids. The protostars gained their light and their radiance / growth through aging around billions of years. Isle represented the birth and new founding of stars by humanity.e

Nww*

New*

[drifting copper]

i’m really liking this Star Cycle theory and it could probably fit with Civil War and/or Two Shields if we find a way

lmao i was thinking the protostars were spirits first but ok

[minor light]

well, tgc does get their games from MANY different inspirations

[drifting copper]

yeah in the office right