wasteland ... the first krill area.....
and the forest temple.....
#lore-discussion-spoilers
bright charm
sinful trench
mhm
bright charm
same place
sinful trench
any area with dark creatures is probably connected
ember temple
Wait is it the slab with the odd markings @spring blaze?
spring blaze
yeah when you scroll up i sent a vid
ember temple
Oh I just activated it right after I sent my message lol
I gathered a shard, and then it disappeared :(
hollow pier
In a livestream I think the devs actually confirmed @green pine that sky kids are the size they are in office, actually I think they said “if you look in the secret area you can get a pretty good idea” or something like that
@humble barn i got my question answered? Neat!!! I haven’t watched it yet because I’m away so thanks for the heads up~
humble barn
yes ! it was the first question answered iirc
sly kestrel
They had trouble pronouncing ur name
sand abyss
So another interesting thoughts that me and Pigeon had few hours ago
three ( potentially four but who knows ) elders out of the six seem to have connections with each other
Specifically with Forest, Wasteland and Vault Elders
( Pigeon might explain better when it comes to these three )
Since the other three ( well four since the Valley has a twin ) don't really have much involvements from what we saw
scarlet wren
slides in
sand abyss
_slides in with you _
Cos we know that Wasteland and Vault are like ridiculously close to each other
in terms of where the locations are at
hexed turret
Entrance to the vault?
scarlet wren
iirc what we were saying:
(some context) judging from the shields, there's two different sides. One with the diamond and one with the "sun" shield (we also see that this symbol maybe representative of elders, as it is present on each of the elder hair icon.)
so, we can assume one side was trying to get into the vault. If we look at the new area, some one clearly had broken in trying to get what whatever lies inside. Also, from the Belonging Live stream, it was mentioned that area is like, the hidden, off limits knowledge. So, perhaps it was the target for the attacking side.
So if we take into account 1) Vault Elder seems a bit shaken about some thing and appears so have damage on their face/mask 2) Wasteland Elder appears frustrated, having a mid-life crisis if you will. As if he's failed at something. and 3) Forest elder, i have less of a connection with this one but she does appear frustrated and bothered by something.
So maybe we could connect this is some thing that happened leading up to whatever, happened in eden?
but yeah that's just a summary dkfgjddklk
sand abyss
oh yeah oh yeah
Vault and Wasteland Elders are two prominent ones ( even the places in general ), since Wasteland Elder seem to have some damages like cracks on his shrine, and its very interesting how there's a theory as to how the shrine was moved from one place to the other for WL elder himself. Might be his comrades help moving his shrine during the chaos. Even the placement for his shield and spear is suspicious now I think about it.
As for the Vault Elder, we don't exactly know how close the Vault Elder was with WL Elder but for all we're guessing, WL elder may be too weak to protect the Vault ( which btw his shrine and Vault are pretty close to each other ), hence the Vault Elder having those damages on the mask.
zealous sedge
Who are you supposing is the opposing force?
I really love that theory!! Well done you two!!
sand abyss
Anything with Elders and Wasteland has to be my favourite theories 
thanks tho boon!
( gonna give big credits to Pigeon tho since they did research for the theory )
scarlet wren
Personally I assume the attacking side is the King's army, 1) we know technology was apart of the kingdoms downfall, so maybe the our king here was reaching out a bit too far and was going for some forbidden knowledge.
sand abyss
There are two shields that might be evident of the opposing sides
And one of them must be from the King's armies
though thinking about it....in the Wasteland Mural in the Vault Cutscene, the shield for WL Elder was different compared to the current one
scarlet wren
if wasteland gets more content i WILL cry of joy because i have grown to absolutely love it
sand abyss
TAT samee here
bruh all of us gonna be rejoicing if Wasteland has major updates/additions
( and sobbing really badly as well pfpfpf )
Ok here's another another thing
don't you find like, Isle Elder to be a little suspicious
Like aside from the whole life cycle theme
don't you find a little weird, even a little intimidated, from a elderly man who's weak and frail
And all of a sudden when you give him light, BAM, pieces of his mask slowly glued each other and the Elder all strong all of a sudden
Plus in the eden gate at home , there's no sign of his face at all
scarlet wren
why isn't he on the gate why isn't he on the gate
sand abyss
what happened to his mask?! was it broken because of old age or?????
*we need answers asdjsh!!
Ok but seriously tho both me and Pigeon were intimidated by this Elder
i was even afraid of him few months ago when I notice the absent of his face in the Eden gate
scarlet wren
'oh my gosh his face is coming back together oh gosh'
it's so weird that he's not on there, I didn't even notice until you pointed it out today KJDHFJLk
sand abyss
ASJHDKAJSHDK
AND NOW YOU DO, YOURE WELCOME
All the other elders ( aside from Wasteland, Forest and Vault )
just chilling
havin their best time of their lives
with one snoozing with his butterflies while the others playing ball
with flipping paddles
sly kestrel
Oh my gosh I’m so happy I wasn’t the only one with the theory on the war
scarlet wren
Valley twins, on the night of the eden explosion:
"do you think we should like... See what the General was talking about."
"Nah.. He's got it covered right, guy's a unit."
"yeah you're probably right."
(don't take seriously pls jkfgjkdlfkg)
sly kestrel
U guys can tell that the gw elder is seen with a sun shield right? And the 2 opposing sides was was sun shields and diamond shields, one had swords and one had spears. One thing I was always confused about is the fact that......the wasteland elder’s constellation is seen with a diamond shield
sand abyss
the shield for WL elder is honestly confusing tbh
like we don't know which side the WL Elder is really from
scarlet wren
Could be representative of previous affiliation, maybe Wasteland elder decided to change his stance on things
sly kestrel
Some buildings in eden are seen with the sun shield and the swords so I knew the sun shields were from edens side. And the diamond was on top of the wasteland temple and most of the masks from the spirits are diamond shaped, the gw elders constellation has a diamond shield. So question is.....who’s side is he on 😂. Because his shrine is seen with the eden shield
don’t tell me he
TURNED ON HIS OWN KINGDOM
sand abyss
BUT WHY?!
IS IT BECAUSE LIKE SOMEONE FROM VAULT TOLD WL ELDER ABOUT SOME DARK SECRETS?!
to the point he's like "yeahhhh nah screw the king imma protecc this vault at all cost" and then got killed after wards?
scarlet wren
hMMMMMM
sand abyss
HMMMMMMMMM
sly kestrel
And once again I am really
Really happy that I wasn’t the only one with the wasteland battle theory
I love you guys
scarlet wren
sly kestrel
Also, one piece of strong evidence I have is that the graveyard has no signs of any soldiers or battle at all, just a place of decomposing bodies. Lots of people believed that the golden kingdom fought the krills and that’s the reason for the weapons but......why are there no krill bones or any bones at all in the battlefield
And why would spears be piercing shields
scarlet wren
yeah!
sand abyss
Mhmm mhmm
was it because the krills or any other living creatures present during the war?
We don't know for sure but we could say that the krills wasn't around before opening the gate
to the Wasteland temple
sly kestrel
U guys kno how the krills are in eden as well
I always thought.....they were there to pick off any survivors from the battle and they were sent from eden
sand abyss
Also as for the spears, they might be from the diamond shield soldiers but who knows?
sly kestrel
On the wasteland mural from vault it shows that
sand abyss
Hmm now that you brought up eden, there's these dual swords to the left of the building before heading to where the Krills at
and pretty sure I saw a few of them at Battlefield
scarlet wren
yeee
sly kestrel
Yuppp that’s what I was talking about earlier and how I assumed that it was eden’s side that was there at the battlefield
There was a sun shield there too
sand abyss
mhmm
the sun shield to the right side of that building
( and noting that the dual swords weren't there until later updates )
sly kestrel
Ooooo
scarlet wren
HMMMMMMMMMM
sand abyss
I could be wrong tho but WHO KNOWS
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
the swords might be well hidden from plain sight but at the same time I don't think I ever seen a broken shield next to it before?
sly kestrel
Alsoooo
The lookout emote, he was looking out on the peak of the building and he looked behind him; freaked out and blew his horn
This made my theory even better and I thought that he saw an army charging at the temple and he was warning his army using the horn and then boom
They fought
Oh it wasn’t next to it, it’s to the right of the building
sand abyss
sly kestrel
May need a firework staff or to light the room with ur candle bc it’s a little dark
sand abyss
repost from 25th of October
scarlet wren
i’m gonna go there like right now
sand abyss
Safe Travels Pigeon
sand abyss
I mean Pigeon pretty good when spotting interesting things
like that broken statue at the end of the Krills Hell
X'D
sand abyss
hmm not yet
sand abyss
you just did
also well dang
so much brighter thanks to fireworks?
eyup that a firework staff
wait...the hole, have you try flying up there yet?
if not then that's ok!
scarlet wren
although
sand abyss
omg can't believe you actually did it
but question is tho, why would there be a hole there?
scarlet wren
hmmm
sand abyss
probably because the building old hence the erosion?
scarlet wren
it looks like some thing must’ve gone though it
sand abyss
mhmm mhmm ( also slight off topic but someone mentioned few months ago how that building might be a warehouse for the weapons )
scarlet wren
ohhh
perhaps
also
you know how there’s stuff in other levels
that resemble elder faces
including concept models of elders too
sand abyss
oh yeahhh, Forest elder was the obvious one
scarlet wren
do you think this, is one of those?
sand abyss
oh?
OH?!
WELL WELL WELL
that's new to me
but holy dang
good find Pigeon good find
hmm let's see who might this one belong to?
its kinda diamond shaped
scarlet wren
oops i fell into a hole and i have no wedges
sand abyss
: UUUUUU
Pigeon noooooo!
you sacrificed for the lores, the lores!
Ok but seriously though idk if that diamond thing has any significance meaning or representation but if it does
then might be from Vault/Forest
hmm where's this again Pigeon?
scarlet wren
the same building we were looking at with the swords
sand abyss
Oh! might be from Forest since considering how the elder there has like a hammer or something and gives off this smithy vibes ( might be the one who not only harness the lights but also builds the weapons for the armies )
smithy vibes omg, im so sorry
zealous sedge
Can you two take me on a lore tour of Eden sometime? 😱
scarlet wren
i’m planning on taking a bit more of a in depth adventure around eden
scarlet wren
i went over the pipe section and the whole time i was saying “don’t forget you’re in eden or you might lose some stars” (I proceed to fall off the easiest part, the steel walkway.)
sand abyss
"must.....find.......interesting THINGS"
"oh screw it imma lose dem wings"
"For the Lores!!"
scarlet wren
it would’ve been disastrous if i fell onto the red crystal below me lmao
sand abyss
oh dear that would be disastrous indeed
scarlet wren
i touched them once as a moth i’d like to never touch them again
actually speaking of those
i wonder what they are? and why they’re so strong to just like bang your light is gone like that
hmm
sand abyss
Someone over here said that they might be artificial creations from Eden to prevent from something to come over and potentially ruins everything.
scarlet wren
actually i have another thing i just wanna throw your way to see if you have any other ideas
i don’t remember if i already told you tho butttt
sand abyss
👀 oh boi oh boi
scarlet wren
wait i need photos apparently i don’t have any
sand abyss
ah crap might wanna move to dms since we technically flooded this channel with alot of theories
sorry about that, folks!
scarlet wren
ok 👌
feral ginkgo
No!! Guys that’s what this is for
I took time out of my day to read through everything u guys said cuz it’s honestly so interesting
sly kestrel
Oh my gosh granny pigeon I thought u were kidding
U jus straight up went to eden
warped reef
Lore discussions are really interesting 
sly kestrel
You really did it
green pine
@hollow pier if that’s true and the skykid heights in office are canon, then I’m gonna have a field day today 
frosty moss
Wait so I’m.... I’m taller in-game than in real life? Even tho my character is super short?
Also uh
How to we explain the chibi-skykid-sized giant candles in the entrance to Office?
hollow pier
Skymii & Granny Pigeon I completely approve of having this conversation here also I RECOGNISE THAT SYMBOL
This is what I immediately thought of
sand abyss
hollow pier
That’s the forest elder’s gate
sand abyss
Mhmm mhmm !
I mean it would make total sense for the one on the left to be Forest Elder
frosty moss
Because, blacksmith
sand abyss
exactly
frosty moss
Wait so I’m sorry to interrupt but does anyone actually know why the candles going into office are so huge
frosty moss
No, I mean like, in the flowery cave and the lake that lead the office portal, there are red candles, but they’re twice their usual height
sand abyss
Hmm idk about them since they just exaggerated to look tall
frosty moss
6 foot tall candles
green pine
Alright everyone, time for the real Skykid scale chart!
As the devs have confirmed that while the contents of the office aren't canon, the scale of the skykids relative to the place is in a past livestream. So, I headed back to the office to look for things to compare against.
It was a bit tricky to find things that TGC has posted that would give an irl object with a known height, but I managed to spot an image on the their site which held a bunch of the awards they have, and it just so happens that those awards were placed on the long table at the entrance of the office where the line of candles are (I see what you did there, guys, nice parallel )
From there, I just had to figure out which of the awards from the image has a physical height listed online, and one of them is the BAFTA game award, at 10.6 inches tall. From there, I could find the height of the cabinets the awards stood on, compare the in-game cabinets to the chibi playermodel, and then compare it with the rest of the in-game heights!
Here's the sources for info and images, btw:
https://thatgamecompany.com/wp-content/uploads/thatgamecompany-about-awards_table-600x401.jpg (from the TGC site, the award table)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Academy_of_Film_and_Television_Arts (the BAFTA GA's height)
And of course the original height chart that compared the game scales, where we don't know the creator of it
Skykids are some very smol lads!
EDIT:
Thank you all for referring people back to this as the officially unofficial measurement chart! If you'd like to see the heights of some other things, such as Krill or the Elders, check out this Google Drive link!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1AjO_2JGnhIJb93c8Fl66nzdIIRK0nxWO
thanks to @manic shore for helping me get into the office for this!
manic shore
Omg that’s so cool!
frosty moss
That makes a lot more sense to me lol
So the giant candles are more like 3 ft tall
Well actually 2’6 XD
green pine
they are s m o l
hollow trench
Thanks lego for your hard work
paper mauve
tinee ,,
frosty moss
Tysm Lego
green pine
No problem, everyone 
frosty moss
Tbh I always expected skykids to be very smol
green pine
also, now that we know this to be based on canon scales (the real range being within a few inches of this if it's different), we can use skykids to measure the rest of the world! Just keep in mind what height your skykid is at (using a chibi mask to force it will be the most accurate) and try using default hair or no-hair and the default stance, as you want to measure from the feet to the scalp
And don't forget to be close to the object you want to measure and keep your camera angled so perspective doesn't fudge anything
It's a bit funny to me how the solution to finding the skykids' heights was by using the awards TGC got for making such great games
frosty moss
Lol yeah
Just imagine for a second, TGC’s office in the real world, in the middle of a city presumably.... with the Halloween krill flying all around it
white merlin
frosty moss
Whaaaaaaaaaa
wind bone
@white merlin yeah it was in the patch notes
ember temple
So tiny chibi omg
sand abyss
a bug probably since that happened to them before halloween
spring blaze
AARDHHDHFJSJFD
shnfjcnd ok wait
this is the lore channel, best to ask #questions-and-help @worthy cipher
sand abyss
there we go!
spring blaze
sand abyss
ehehe that’s a ok Ginsy!
spring blaze
shjdjsjd ;w;
spring blaze
sand abyss
sly kestrel
noble valley
How do you spoiler tag something?
vernal zenith
used || on both sides of you text you want to spoiler tag
hollow pier
@green pine WOW THAT IS SOME FINE WORK 👌 now your next project: go oob to the elder’s cutscenes (or just screenshot mid cutscene) and find out how tall the elders are! Using this scale I’m guessing the elders are around 9-15 feet tall
wOAH
I just did a quick measurement and... butterfly dad is actually about 21 feet tall
zealous sedge
Woah 
frosty moss
I’m not too surprised lol
sand abyss
Had a dream about the first krill room and thought of something interesting over there
Like aside from the possible relations between the First Krill room and the Forest’s temple, don’t you think it might be a room for someone important in that world
( Pigeon showed me something interesting about that one room after you pass the first krill, before both of us had to sleep XD )
scarlet wren
we going crazy over wasteland tbh
sand abyss
i mean, don’t we all????
Anything with wasteland we go nuts
( i seriously need to find other theories that does not involve Wasteland OTL )
( guess i can’t help but to think about that forsaken place )
Would be interesting if someone made like a design of how the room used to look like before the destruction
scarlet wren
ooo
paper matrix
guys i tHINK
SOME OF THE ELDERS ARE NORMAL HUMAN HEIGHT
MAYBE A BIT TALL
CHECK IT OUT
😳 oH
i see height discussion above
thAT CLARIFIES A OT
thank u for the pixel height analysis!!
hollow pier
I reckon forest elder is about 12 feet tall
paper matrix
😳
hollow pier
Oh! I’ve spoken here about how I don’t think krill use light to see that’s why they have their searchlight, and recently it clicked-their search beams don’t cast environment shadows (probably for graphics reasons BUT) what’s interesting though is that the beams shine straight through solid objects, what particularly comes to mind is the topmost krill of the graveyard that goes In and out of the walls
Near the exit to battlefield (with the winged light) they look straight at the right hand statue and their search beam goes straight through it!
The same krill also looks where the scared stance spirit ends up and the beam goes straight through the rock pillars there as well
proven sigil
finite onyx
Yeah! It like spiked my anxiety in wasteland when the beam went over me but the krill didn’t see??
hushed steeple
worthy cipher
if we reverse our logic... could those objects that the beams penetrated be sky kids' illusions?
Like they never existed but the sky kids just imagined they are there
vivid parcel
Looks like the number 13 ooo
spring blaze
the 3 is a swirl that leads you to a bench owo
sly kestrel
It’s a staircase
thick finch
Santa?
wind bone
It’s a duplicate of the spirit that you see when you’re at the space station
sly kestrel
Ooohhh
ornate dove
The flying light bird things kinda look like Rukh from Magi
nocturne estuary
Not sure if this is part of lore or anything but isn’t this one of the valley elders? They’re vibing in some of the normal Sky kid clothes
nocturne estuary
That’s sweet thank you for informing me
rustic elbow
So I figure sky kids don’t have to breathe? Because in both the area underneath the valley ice rink (which would theoretically be water) & around the space station there’s no time limits like I’d expect there to be if they needed to breathe air
sly kestrel
We aren’t really human
The only human thing we have is the shape of our body and the fact that we have a heartbeat
maiden glen
Yeeee
frosty moss
So im working on documenting all the flowers in Sky, this is my WIP project
frosty moss
I don’t know if there are flowers in Eden or wasteland tho, I didn’t go there yet
spring blaze
i doubt you can see well in eden lol
vestal hawk
I doubt it
sly kestrel
A while ago someone posted this and the symbol on one of the eden buildings seemed to resemble the forest elder gate symbol but......I found out the vault symbol resembles it a little more
frosty moss
Ooh
vestal hawk
The one in the middle of the Eden gate is the forest elder. Iirc vault isn't on the gate for some reason
frosty moss
I think that vault was added later and that’s why
vestal hawk
Or is it isle? Idk
frosty moss
But also I think Vault is positioned directly below Orbit and in the middle of Eden/Wasteland terrain wise. It’s like the last stronghold of light in a wasteland of dark
vestal hawk
Oh nvm this is what it is
frosty moss
Oohhh
sly kestrel
Hf and vault look very close to it
vestal hawk
Yeah hf has a pointier head
sand abyss
Vault and Forest are similar in terms of the shapes
which is understandable for us to be confused whether the one in Eden from Vault or Forest
frosty moss
Waiiiit
What if that symbol actually represents the big crystal?
Actually it looks a lot like the big crystal at the end of Eden
spring blaze
someone posted the doc of the translated version of the japanese livestream and it said that forest and vault are related
sly kestrel
Well that would explain why both of their cutscenes involve the power diamonds
frosty moss
Makes sense, they could be twins but one of them is emo and kinda tough and the other is gentle and quiet and studious
spring blaze
related doesnt only mean familal relationships
frosty moss
It seems to me that all the elder cutscenes contain power diamonds in one form or another though. And all the hollows in the elder statues are suspiciously diamond shaped
sand abyss
mhmm mhmm
frosty moss
Oh. Hmm. Interesting
vestal hawk
There are all sorts of crystals and levitating platforms in both worlds
spring blaze
the valley elders has always been twins, not from mitosis or whatever. theyve always been two
frosty moss
True
sand abyss
( the valley elders are there for good times )
spring blaze
but the forest and vault elder are related in some way, but possibly not family
frosty moss
Hmmm
vestal hawk
And the upper swamp in gw has the same layout as the temple room in hf, so maybe those are related too
sand abyss
mhmm !
sly kestrel
Wait
frosty moss
They are kinda similar..
sly kestrel
What upper swamp?
vestal hawk
The room with the first krill
frosty moss
.... OMG ur right!!!
sand abyss
eyup!
sly kestrel
it has the diamonds on the side and everything
sand abyss
( they seriously similar )
sly kestrel
Toooo similar
vestal hawk
Gw must've been a great city at some point
sly kestrel
Speaking of wasteland, why is there an extra building that looks nothing like the cathedral in wasteland
sly kestrel
sly kestrel
It’s out of bounds if u go over there
frosty moss
Ooh. It’s probably supposed to look like the temple from far away?
spring blaze
yep
frosty moss
Idk
spring blaze
they probably didn't expect people to actually take a real good look of it and compare lol
remember this is oob
sly kestrel
The peak of the building has an extra circle on it and.....ok too lazy for details but all I’m saying is that it’s too different to be a building that resembles the cathedral far away
The building is clear as crystal even when u aren’t out of bounds
vestal hawk
Well up there somewhere it's been mentioned the battlefield has two different types of shields in it, so it could belong to whatever other group was there
I can't recall what the shields looked like
sly kestrel
Diamond shields and sun shields
frosty moss
THAT MAKES SENSE
The crystal theory! Does anyone else also know the crystal theory? Because I don’t reaaaally feel like recounting it again?
sly kestrel
Sun shield was in eden and wasteland had that diamond symbol almost everywhere
What crystal theory?
spring blaze
theres many crystal theories
frosty moss
The Eden Crystal theory
spring blaze
theres many eden crystal theories
vestal hawk
Is there a doc somewhere about it?
sand abyss
don’t think so
sly kestrel
Like supposedly it’s a giant power diamond and since it was hinted that the power diamonds were their downfall, they assumed it was from that red crystal and it was a corrupted power diamond
sand abyss
hmm it’s true that there’s a lot of theories going on with the Eden Diamond over here
frosty moss
The one about the Eden crystal shattering and making a big explosion that have Chernobyl-like after affects and instantly vaporized the Eden elder and Eden people which is why there are no spirits in Eden, and also I think that the explosion corrupted some of the Light creatures that weren’t instantly vaporized, such as some sky whales which became krill, and the crabs which became evil, and I guess that it corrupted some sky people who became evil soldiers or something
spring blaze
ah the "big crystal go boom" variation
frosty moss
But maybe the crystal shields were the corrupted sky creatures and the sun shields were the light creatures?
Yeah
Specifically “big crystal go boom boom and corrupt nearby light creatures”
spring blaze
a lot of people see the battlefield's battle as a civil war
vestal hawk
Between two groups who use the power of crystals and light, respectively?
sly kestrel
Fan kid time
The sun symbol is seen at prairie and Eden and the diamond symbol is seen at valley and wasteland
wary prism
Could explain away the two temples in wasteland, with the temples belonging to opposing sides
sly kestrel
I don’t remember what symbols the other realms had
I Might have to take a look again
Brb
sand abyss
Hmm perhaps that might be the case for the shields
But idk if Prairie got involved with the whole war, since you know... looks at the elder and the people there
but would be interesting to think about it
vestal hawk
@sly kestrel are you talking about this symbol on the dock? It might be coincidence but that marks a place you can stand to be picked up by a manta
frosty moss
I think that the explosion immediately leveled the area surrounding Vault (wasteland and Eden)
spring blaze
the symbol is also on the closets
spring blaze
whips out my prairie details album
its also on the pillars upon jumping off the prairie lobby
sand abyss
oh we getting somewhere with this theory
vestal hawk
I've never participated in this channel before 👀
frosty moss
it’s also similar to whatever this is
sand abyss
and now we are !
the elder hair icons have it too btw
spring blaze
sand abyss
<*>
spring blaze
its reminds me of the season of belonging symbol
sand abyss
eh close enough
spring blaze
sly kestrel
I’m currently in game looking for details
scarlet wren
on stream it was said that the similarity was unintentional dkjdf
spring blaze
i don't watch the streams so 😅
sand abyss
Perhaps the sun symbol thats appear both the shield and in Prairie ( not the closet one tho ) correlates to the people and their relation with nature?
scarlet wren
they said it's like a knot, a tight knit family.
spring blaze
i hate listening to audio, hence why i like chicky's docs of the livestreams haha
sly kestrel
Yea she said it was unintentional that the belonging symbol would look like the one on our chest
spring blaze
their relation to light?
vestal hawk
Mantas seem really important to the prairie folk
spring blaze
and valleys too apparently
sly kestrel
Yes but that symbol is on their shields and that reminds me
vestal hawk
And while birds are seen flying through other levels, it seems their home is in prairie
spring blaze
the vault elder cutscene murals has the mantas on the valley ones
sly kestrel
The gw cutscene and shrine has a sun shield but, on the mural and constellation it has a diamond shield
scarlet wren
iirc the old constellation for valley was a manta
sly kestrel
Wait what, really?
scarlet wren
yeah i'll double check
vestal hawk
We could connect a different sky creature to every realm, really
vestal hawk
I feel like that lantern does contain some sort of knowledge
spring blaze
butterflies and birds: isle
butterflies, birds and mantas: prairie
birds, butterflies, jellyfishes and mantas: forest
mantas, birds and jellyfishes: valleys
manta: wasteland
spirit mantas and possibly whales: vault
mystic moat
Or...
Birds: Isle
Butterflies: Prairie
Jellyfish: Forest
Manta: Valley
Krill: Wasteland
Cosmic Manta: Vault
spring blaze
yeah i was just listing the light animals seen in the realms
sly kestrel
Wha
scarlet wren
sorry for quality lol
sand abyss
Forest, Wasteland and now Vault
sly kestrel
What...is that
sly kestrel
And where did u find it
mystic moat
What do you call that
spring blaze
isle: none
prarie: none
forest: crabs
valleys: crabs
wasteland: crabs and krill
vault: crabs
eden: literally everything
mystic moat
Very wonky
sly kestrel
@scarlet wren where is that
mystic moat
The darkness is expanding 
spring blaze
scarlet wren
this is from a beta playthough just some thing i wanted to point out
spring blaze
imagine if they added a lone crab in isle
sand abyss
a lone crab omg
spring blaze
no way it woulda wandered that far
vestal hawk
Geez skykids need to get reborn more, stop all this darkness smh
mystic moat
Put a crab in Lightseekers tunnel
spring blaze
HMMM
sly kestrel
We’re lucky they didn’t add all the dark creatures from the concept arts
sand abyss
Bob the Guardian Crab of the Lightseeker tunnel
spring blaze
shivers at the concept 'krill’
high ether
i had an epiphany about the lore the other day, like a straight up "holy frick" moment, and I have since entirely forgotten what it was
sand abyss
perhaps in later updates when new areas added in Wasteland?
high ether
Just wanted you all to know ❤️
spring blaze
MAKE VALLEY MORE EXPLORABLE TGC
scarlet wren
wasteland when wasteland when
spring blaze
slams fist
scarlet wren
also I'd love more of valley too fjkg
sly kestrel
Oh gosh they don’t add these
sand abyss
cries with Pigeon for Wasteland Expansion
high ether
it was something to do with the purpose of everything, and how all of the temple doors have an animation of putting diamonds on boats to send to eden
scarlet wren
i want to be absolutely terrified
spring blaze
also i just realized that valley seasonal was getting sparklers from this crate haha
mystic moat
I want that giant thing that has a skull on it’s head or something
sly kestrel
Back when concept whales didn’t look as innocent as today’s whale
spring blaze
they still look cool
mystic moat
Oml that giant black thing has TEETH
sly kestrel
You know what
Those things are too creepy to even call a whale
mystic moat
It will chomp you
spring blaze
which whale are u referring to
high ether
oh maybe it was about how everyone in all the lands were forging these diamonds and sending them to eden to make the B I G D I A M O N D
but then it got too big
mystic moat
The giant black one
spring blaze
i think that was the krill concept arts
scarlet wren
diamond too bbig
spring blaze
yummy light
high ether
big diamond get angery
sly kestrel
I don’t think any of them are krill concept arts
spring blaze
big diamond got boom
sly kestrel
And they did say the power diamonds were the downfall
high ether
yea
scarlet wren
yeyeye
spring blaze
you can see crab concept arts too! theyre def based off of horeshoe crabs
high ether
also im getting more and more suss about how they made these diamonds cos like, there's a lot of butterflies in jars u kno
scarlet wren
oH THOSE GUYS
mystic moat
Obviously the Spirits used Butterflies, Birds and Mantas to power their diamonds
sly kestrel
Poor butterflies
high ether
so basically sky is a metaphor for the extinction crisis
dusk sluice
o h
spring blaze
i think the diamonds were made from a specific kinda rock/crystal/ ore
they definitely mined. theres spirits with pickaxes in the cry spirits
high ether
mining, extinction crisis, climate change
sand abyss
Everything on Fire X'D
spring blaze
wow just like irl!
dusk sluice
Looks like three of the spirits died from mining because at the end the only one we see is crying
scarlet wren
cries
dusk sluice
🤷🏽♀️
spring blaze
hang in there australia
sand abyss
I mean || for TGC other games they have similar themes as well||
high ether
cries in Australian
sand abyss
_thanks ginsy 
_
mystic moat
🇦🇺
sand abyss
cries with Sparkle
sly kestrel
I think they just used the pickaxes to get their friends out of the rocks
high ether
the friends heckin died there's 3 graves at the end
sly kestrel
There isn’t any other sign of mining
dusk sluice
Omg-
spring blaze
yeah but pickaxes indicates that they mined at some point
mystic moat
I definitely think they were mining and the cave collapsed
high ether
that's the most traumatic spirit for me lol
sly kestrel
And did one of her friends die from a dark plant, cuz the spirit story always shows it and I’m jus like 🤨
high ether
oh I figured they were mining and the dark plants grew and trapped them and they were like "o heck"
spring blaze
i think the no spirit was under the isle temple yeah? i think they were with a miner as well
frosty moss
I think that they just.... Got stuck and starved?
dusk sluice
Makes me kind of wonder why the last one turned into a spirit
high ether
cos they upset the balance or something
mystic moat
My idea is the dark plants are dead light creatures
sand abyss
I think that how the spirits first learnt of the dark plants' existence
since we don't know if the spirits really learnt of a way to get rid of it
spring blaze
possibly
dusk sluice
We never see the spirits with candles
high ether
@dusk sluice guilt stopping them from passing on ... ? omg
sand abyss
hence seeing them struggling to break the plants apart
mystic moat
Because we see 2 mantas that seem very hurt in Forest until we save them
spring blaze
the first scene of the cry spirit’s memory was them being trapped in the dark plants from the entrance
dusk sluice
No I kind of had another idea but I dont want to talk about it-
sly kestrel
The 2 mantas seemed stuck from the dark plants
scarlet wren
dark plants seem to grow around dead things, though i wonder what that implies about what happened at that broken bridge at the start of wasteland
sand abyss
the obvious one is close to the crying spirit cave
spring blaze
they seem to grow around watah
high ether
D: o god
sly kestrel
Almost the same way the cry spirits friend got stuck from a dark plant so....I’m guessing that’s how he died
dusk sluice
This is bringing out my inner game theorist
high ether
me every time I pay more attention to what the spirit memories show: oh GOD D:
sand abyss
the connection between forest and wasteland are gettin stronger
sly kestrel
Several people are typing... 😂😂
scarlet wren
there's also the play dead spirit, where he supposedly dies in they cutscene, there's always a dark plant there (everyday!)
frosty moss
I thiiink that the dark plats also just grow around water too? Because there are dark plants in Prairie village
sly kestrel
Yea
sand abyss
probably somewhere moist
scarlet wren
hmm
high ether
.... omg i always thought play dead was showing us how to play dead I didn't think he actually DIED
sly kestrel
Did u watch his spirit story
scarlet wren
yeah he legit died kjfd
dusk sluice
Seems like the dark plants don’t necessarily need sunlight either
high ether
why am i so naive and innocent
dusk sluice
Wasteland doesnt have much sunlight
spring blaze
well they are dark plants afterall haha
high ether
i dont really remember it, i did it so long ago and havent seen it replayed
scarlet wren
the sky kids thought he was sleeping too be fair
sand abyss
now you learnt the truth of the "play dead" spirit
spring blaze
yeah
sly kestrel
And earlier someone mentioned that the first krill area looks a LOT like the forest temple and....I agree
sand abyss
interpretation of the skykids can be different compared to the actual message from the spirits
high ether
me, an actual sky kid
scarlet wren
i yoinked a video from the beta chat:
mystic moat
Spirit: dies
Skykids: oh, he’s just sleeping, he’s fine
scarlet wren
high ether
oh also to the forest and wasteland connection; the first krill area has big tree trunks in it
lemme find a screenshot 1 mo
dusk sluice
Actually ngl the spirits seem more like memories to me
Never thought of it till now but
mystic moat
They’re pillars
sand abyss
yup, memories of the spirits~
spring blaze
its in the quests,,
spring blaze
aint an idiot, no worries ^^
sand abyss
Nah its good to point it out
sly kestrel
You know that place where u get a star in the first krill area.....SAME PLACE AND POSITION
sand abyss
( shhh you no idiot don't worry )
scarlet wren
also krill room looks like a bigger version of forest temple
sly kestrel
They are both to the right
mystic moat
“Broken temple”
spring blaze
extra room
scarlet wren
though it's not the exact same
spring blaze
for pipes
sly kestrel
Well most of it is expanded ruins, they aren’t really connected in one single room
spring blaze
wasnt the building in the first area of wasteland called “broken temple”?
the one where that scared spirit hides in
dusk sluice
Maybe the krill got angery and tore the place down lol
high ether
i have an absurd number of screenshots of this game and cannot find the one i want lol
scarlet wren
i think it could've been knocked off that other building
sly kestrel
Ugh I need to get wasteland screenshots
scarlet wren
mood
spring blaze
same sparkle omg
sand abyss
Same yo
mystic moat
Legit
high ether
ima just go take some new ones
sand abyss
need to find that ss of the Diamond shields
sly kestrel
WAIT
spring blaze
im trying to screenshot every nook and cranny of every realm and my roll is a mess!!!
sly kestrel
SOMEONE SCREENSHOT THE WHOLE KRILL AREA 😂
sand abyss
funny how the Diamond shield can only be seen in the Battlefield
high ether
i pretty much have screenshots of the entire krill area
scarlet wren
skymii we need to do a wasteland expedition kjdf
high ether
ive obsessively documented wasteland cos i think it has a lot of info
sly kestrel
BUT, the symbol is seen in a lot of places, not just in shields
sand abyss
true!
but for the shields themselves
battlefield is the only place for them to be seen
while the sun shields
sly kestrel
Also the diamond symbol is on the wasteland masks and on elders forehead plate
high ether
theres a shield in eden
sly kestrel
Yep, in one of the buildings in eden
There’s also the swords used in the battlefield at eden
sand abyss
mhmmm !
scarlet wren
i don't recall the diamond shield in eden but idkkkk
sand abyss
hmm just went back to Eden and no sight of the diamond shields
sly kestrel
I love how we switched to like 10 different theories in 2 hours
sand abyss
only the sun ones
spring blaze
id love to join yall in this expedition
sly kestrel
And there is no diamond shield in eden, jus the sun shield
spring blaze
amd swords
mystic moat
Maybe there was a revolution against the Wasteland Elder
spring blaze
i call it the guard house haha
sand abyss
swords were recently added few months ago
high ether
industrialism killed the planet, its a pretty strong theme
scarlet wren
hmmm
spring blaze
yeah!
sand abyss
( especially for the ones in Eden )
spring blaze
i think pines mentioned that the swords and shields in eden werent even there in the past when i posted a pic of it a whiile back
sly kestrel
Yep they were added later on
spring blaze
oh-
sand abyss
so TGC adding in without us knowing
spring blaze
sand abyss
high ether
the new area of the vault originally was kinda meh in design, but they updated it to be way cooler lol
sly kestrel
Which makes me have trust issues with tgc, THEY COULD BE ADDING LORE STUFF EVERY NOW AND THEN AND WE HAVENT EVEN NOTICED 😭
spring blaze
oh i firmly believe tgc is adding new details without letting us know other than "new stuff and areas, ok have fun!!"
high ether
and the current version is like "o damn something like, broke in"
spring blaze
HAHA PAST ME GETS IT
sand abyss
X'D yup!!
sly kestrel
I love how the devs always be like “nahh u can find it”
spring blaze
a simple change here, a new item there
sly kestrel
Journey on the other hand...
spring blaze
us: tgc pls 
lore pls
tgc, sipping their iced tea: here, now go find it
sly kestrel
Lore was so much easier
mystic moat
One of my favourite things to do is after each update is go through the game and find what’s changed
spring blaze
i think sky's lore is supposed to be vague. we're supposed to find it
since its a multiplayer game about connection, its up to the fandom to piece together the pieces
sand abyss
best to find them than to be hand fed
spring blaze
unlike journey where its more one-two player
sly kestrel
New update comes out *
Alright time to scout through every single realm and find every new detail
mystic moat
Exactly
sand abyss
and thats includes Eden too!
spring blaze
i think. ik you can like, journey with a complete stranger you dont know until the end of the game where they reveal their username?
sly kestrel
I never played Journey I just looked at the journey summary of the game 😂
Ig I was too lazy to pay for it
spring blaze
i wish eden wasnt so DARK and GLOOMY and so EDGY (literally) so i can EXPLORE in PEACE and contribute to the LORE COMMUNITY
mystic moat
I really want to play it but I’m poor
spring blaze
idk how to activate it
mystic moat
You used to be able to explore more when tablecoptering was a thing
spring blaze
i tried a lot
sand abyss
Rip Tablecopter
frosty moss
Waaaiiit they change details in areas in updates to hint at lore?
mystic moat
mystic moat
“Teal cape is now more teal”
sly kestrel
Speaking of chrome glitch......ever since the new updates I haven’t been able to use it anymore. PLEASE DONT TELL ME THEY TOOK IT OUT
spring blaze
patchnotes
- made snow snowier in valley
mystic moat
“Snow in Valley now looks like snow”
sand abyss
hm haven't check Valley yet
sly kestrel
Wow u guys are like twins
spring blaze
valley is so!! underrated when it comes to lore imo
sly kestrel
I glitch out the map with my friends all the time, it’s amazing looking at all the buildings and stuff
spring blaze
i hate you vibrant and explorable it looks and u cant even explore it ;-;
sand abyss
true since there not much going on aside champions and advanced civilisation
high ether
i just want them to add the bird statue in tbh
so we can sit/pray on that bit and make it float again
spring blaze
its supposed to be the capital per se, from the concept arts
sand abyss
valley is technically rome
spring blaze
but its so lackluster when it comes to exploring it
sly kestrel
I thought of it like wasted potential bc there’s so much details and buildings in valley but u can’t even explore it bc it’s oob
spring blaze
me and ansolas did too
mystic moat
I’ve been to a lot of the oob buildings back when tablecopter and it’s nothing special
spring blaze
very neat exploring the buildings at the ski race! but not much is there :/
sly kestrel
I explored every square inch of that place
spring blaze
like cool, buildings. thats it
mystic moat
Just a bunch of buildings to fill the skyline
frosty moss
Still pretty tho
sly kestrel
I love going there every now and then
spring blaze
sly kestrel
And.....from my experiences I think it’s the biggest realm
spring blaze
valley in general: i sleep
valley elders: real stuff??
sly kestrel
But there’s still eden and I’m scared to go oob there so idk
mystic moat
Wasteland is massive imo, just small playable area
spring blaze
if you're not scared to lose stars like i am lol oob-ing in eden is nice
ive already ascended all my spirits
mystic moat
I’ve oobed Eden, including going up, it’s very pretty up there
spring blaze
plus im too lazy to get the stars in the realms after rebirthing so im always at like 6 wedges lmao
sly kestrel
Wasteland is huge as well but there is also like triple layer wind walls and even if u get past them, the game crashes
sly kestrel
Hearing wedges makes me think of potato wedges
frosty moss
Lol
sly kestrel
I oob there too, not much but I found a scary place there
Haven’t went back in a while
high ether
here’s some screenshots i just took that might be of interest to people idk
sly kestrel
Santaaaa
high ether
festive vibes
spring blaze
oh yeah j always wondered what that little room is
was it added during gratitude or nah?
sand abyss
Hmm pigeon pointed out in dm that the room might be a very big closet or something
spring blaze
we sorta think it was a closet of some sort but idk
sand abyss
( yup gratitude spirit was ended in that room )
spring blaze
it kinda looks like,, a throne room
sand abyss
curse that spirit btw
frosty moss
Ooo
high ether
imo, tho i know people disagree, those pillars are made from the big trees in forest
spring blaze
moth me was terrified of the waste gratitude
high ether
they have the exact same texture and sounds when you step on them
spring blaze
honestly i see it sparkle
frosty moss
Makes sense I think
spring blaze
like just looking at it, it looks like a cut and curved tree
high ether
yeah
frosty moss
Maybe the trees are made of Stone?!?
spring blaze
don't they make a clunk noise when u step on them
high ether
theyre made of sky tree
spring blaze
they are cloud trees!
theyre not supposed to have leaves lol thats why forest is so cloudy
sand abyss
mhmm
frosty moss
Oo
spring blaze
im dying over here with a cough and yall r keeping me sane
frosty moss
Oof that sucks, have some honey lemon tea maybe
spring blaze
always like this when its winter ;-; coughs, clogged nose and itchy throat oh my
sand abyss
fiver got the best of me
high ether
oh also look at this cute tiny boat in prairie
dusk sluice
Isnt that the boat the was in isle in the very early days of sky
high ether
tiny boat best boat
dusk sluice
You follow birb, meet isle elder and went on a boat like that to the rest of the world
spring blaze
also im just gonna post my isle album since im still reorganizing my prairie album and still taking pics of forest
frosty moss
Boats like that are wrecked in almost every realm except for Vault
spring blaze
the details and stuff of isle
high ether
this door in the ascent part of eden has the same king statues around it as the final wasteland temple
sand abyss
Old Beta Sky used to have _A lot _ of boat motives
like literally almost every realms
have boats
even Wasteland Elder used to have
battle paddle, before changed to spear and shield
high ether
(tho not the same as the statues on top of the temple, which are distinctly different up close)
spring blaze
vault and the journey to orbit is confusing
frosty moss
Yeah I wonder why there are different statues?
spring blaze
like everything is consistent till we get to vault, then things gets funky
frosty moss
Vault wasn’t in the original concept posted on the office wall
spring blaze
like "oh its a tower!" but then things breaks apart and goes all spacey
high ether
when I first noticed the wasteland temple statues are different to the standard king statues i called them the queen
and they do look distinctly.. feminine
especially up close
plus in eden there's two statues always paired together, one has a sort of wing structure and the other doesn't
frosty moss
high ether
n i personally think the wing one is the queen and the wingless one is the king
spring blaze
oo sparkle have you seen the vids i posted of the statues in the final area of edn?
high ether
the ones that have the wings fall off?
high ether
yea
spring blaze
i just think it's neat lol
high ether
those two statues are in the orbit flight too, one has wings one doesnt
(will try to find screenshot but I took it many eons ago)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/637420515493019649/image4.jpg blessed be the search function
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/637420516961157170/image2.jpg https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/632004389137154048/637420515493019651/image1.jpg
this is the one that has its wings fall off
spring blaze
ye
sand abyss
Looks like an advisor from vault, especially with the long sleeves, headdress and the diamond they holding
green pine
I'm a bit late, but with the idea of the trees being made of stone, that's because they've simply become petrified after being dead for so long
high ether
there's another one adjacent but never had wings, its in the orbit flight too
spring blaze
so they're like fossilized?
frosty moss
Oooohh
high ether
i don’t even remember taking this but, cool/useful layout of valley? i guess
spring blaze
does it make a clunk sound when you step on it
spring blaze
d
o
w
n
high ether
statues blowing horns at the start of the race are different (more masculine) than the ones at the end (who are thiiicccc 😉😉😉)
also petition for TGC to add the ending statues hat as a cosmetic look at that hat
high ether
big hat big hat
sly kestrel
I have gotten so much evidence that I believe I can confirm something
Btw I want big hat too but anywyas
high ether
suspense
sly kestrel
One of u guys mentioned that the temple at forest looks very similar to the first krill room and I couldn’t stand but to take a look at it and....
I found a few stuff
dusk sluice
Do tell owo
sly kestrel
spring blaze
awfully close you are to that krill
sly kestrel
I have a lot more details but I think u guys got the idea
dusk sluice
The krill light in the last one i-
sly kestrel
Oh it’s fine, it never saw me
spring blaze
hm, looks like the stone frame around the forest door is stacked in wastelsnd
sand abyss
spring blaze
dusk sluice
Maybe the elder statue used to be there and then it got moved with all the krill stuff going on
sand abyss
either krill stuff or war
sly kestrel
Also I found the wheel on the ceiling
sly kestrel
All of this kinda made me go crazy on my war theory
frosty moss
Holy frick, wait I always noticed the little button node thing on the upper wasteland, it’s exactly like the one on forest temple that opens up the statue
sly kestrel
Oh yea forgot to show that too
sand abyss
war theory is big deal Jay ( at least for us X'D )
high ether
idk if its exactly the same temple, but i'll accept it was definitely built to look the same at the least
spring blaze
the waste one is bigger and is missing a some structures forest has, but they’re definitely similar
high ether
we do know the game does some weird stuff with the passage of time so its not impossible
dusk sluice
What are those yellow diamond things? Seems like the shipwreck in wasteland was carrying alot of them before it got wrecked
Or maybe krabs like shiny things so they stole all of them and kept them there :v
high ether
shipwreck full of pots and graves
sly kestrel
U guys kno how the wasteland diamond symbol is the same as the forest symbol. It’s also on the forest helmet plates and on the wasteland mask plates. I’m starting to think they turned the forest into a kingdom
high ether
wouldnt surprise me
sly kestrel
And no one said that when u go through the realms, it’s in a straight timeline
frosty moss
Guys this is big.
high ether
industrialism killed the planet
sly kestrel
I’m not the only one who believes u are going through time either, lots of other ppl believed that too
high ether
that's confirmed in canon
sly kestrel
wait wha
frosty moss
Whaaa
spring blaze
wait whats confirmed
mystic moat
What’s “confirmed”?
sly kestrel
It’s the first thing in the pinned messages
spring blaze
oh yeah that one
frosty moss
sly kestrel
But only thing about it is......he is kinda theorizing at the end of the doc
spring blaze
why is discord’s menus so funky????? why
sly kestrel
Wdym
sand abyss
Lol X'D
high ether
omg please charge your phone I am STRESSED
mystic moat
Oml
sand abyss
the only I think about the sun and the diamon symbols
sly kestrel
That 2% is sometimes the strongest
spring blaze
never fear, i plugged in at 1%
sand abyss
the more i think of the sun as natural while the diamond artificial
and when connecting that to the shields
spring blaze
thats true
sly kestrel
Wait wdym natural and artificial
sand abyss
Like you see how the spirits relies on the natural resources like the sun for example
sand abyss
while you have other spirits who built and rely only on artificial things like the ones in Forest and Eden
sly kestrel
The sun symbol, I haven’t realized till later that it is actually in the isle of dawn murals
And I get what ur saying
anSOLAS, WASSUP
sand abyss
eyyy Ansolas!
wary prism
I think there’s diamond usage in all the levels though
sand abyss
Also yeah, the sun symbol first appear in the opening and in Isle
sly kestrel
Wait are we talking about the diamond symbol or the power diamond
spring blaze
i thought it was more using light to power tech
the light of the sun = sun
tech = diamond
sly kestrel
True
sand abyss
Not any more cos
flop
back with the messy comparison thingy I made
X'UUUU
too lazy to type the rest of the points
spring blaze
whats weird is that the waste elder has the sun shield and the spear
meanwhile the house in eden has the sunshield and swords
did they use both during the battle or was it a one weapon for each side sorta thing??
sly kestrel
I KNOW RIGHTTT