lore-discussion-spoilers

[sand abyss]

oh also there’s strong winds

like really strong ones

[raw grail]

oh yeah true

[sand abyss]

remove the winds and then we can set Eden on fire

[burnt monolith]

eden would be a lot more hellish

[spring blaze]

i like how the seasonal spirits are in orbit now

like we rescued them and we get to say hi and theyre like "thanks for saving me heres some wax!!" ;w;

[sand abyss]

;;w;; that’s technically all of the spirits but still that’s so cute

omg just imagine playing this for such a long time you just finish Eden and met all of the seasonal spirits you encountered

[spring blaze]

YES

they just chillin in the megabird

[sand abyss]

ill definitely won’t forget that uni bird guy

having flashbacks of when i was still a wee baby

amen to the new players who don’t have to deal with that unibird spirit

ANYHOW

yes the megabird

i’m getting moltres vibe despite having no similarities between each other

( beside both of them been well...... birds? )

[spring blaze]

they’re made of ... fire???

[sand abyss]

i .... guesss ????

[forest heart]

I saved a image of some beta map layout where it looks similar to this and on the map some of the clouds had the label “secret” on them

*i can’t find it cuz I have 9,000 photos saved my device

[hushed steeple]

Ooh shiny

[sand abyss]

[hollow bobcat]

Are the Sky Elders, Spirits, and Children/Kids of the same race/species/ethnicity/generation?
Seem to me the Elders have the most power, experience, and influence during their lives as shown by their creations.
Spirits seem to be able to use and manipulate creations of the Elders, but not create at the same level.
Children can use creations, receive blessing, but can’t directly manipulate or create.

[icy pewter]

That’s a good point- how widespread is magic use in sky? We see some of the vault spirits being able to levitate but was that s common talent or only for certain few?

[rocky wing]

@spring blaze that's really cool to see!

[spring blaze]

thing about sky is that some things, we dont know of theyre beta left overs or if they still hold meaning to lore :,)

[hollow pier]

Behold secret areas in a concept map

[hushed steeple]

kek

[hollow pier]

There’s a theory or two about the kids/spirits/elders. One is the kids a hybrids between the two (concept art), another that the spirits watched the elders fall (first mural), or they fell with the elders (intro/Eden), that the spirits couldn’t make candles like we can (crying cave)

But if the spirits couldn’t make candles with star magic how did they use all their technology?

[spring blaze]

how could spirits not make candles?

[wary prism]

They’re scattered around the realm so they definitely did make candles

But they can’t pull them out of nowhere like the sky kids

Their tech was powered by light I think, hence why the elders take it from you to do something with it during the cutscenes

I think there’s even a emote in Prairie where you see them gathering light

[obtuse vapor]

Ok sorry, but are the valley elders canonically twins? I thought both were female

(Low key thought they were GFs but I guess not??)

[wary prism]

I think it’s up for interpretation!

[sand abyss]

mhmm!

[zealous sedge]

See I think sky kids are the candles essentially. It’s a symbolic pulling the candle out to light stuff, but they are the light itself.

[sand abyss]

mhmm especially if you remember the scene before your kid comets down to Home

_that red candle scene _

[wind bone]

They are twins

Brother and sister

[rocky wing]

I’ve been wondering about the winged light. People say the krill eat light, but they don’t. When they hit you they knock the winged light out of you - then the winged light goes home. And in places the winged light is in full view of the krill, it’s not eaten or attacked.
To me that means the krill are guarding the winged light - protecting them from us! And I do always feel a bit bad taking their light.

Has anyone tried to do Eden capeless?

[spring blaze]

ive done eden with 3 stars if that counts

finished it with two because a krill knocked one 1 on the way

[nocturne verge]

I think the krill just eat the light energy itself - the type you collect from light sources to recharge your cape - and that seperates the skykids from the winged light they pick up

The krill are described as hungry by TGC, i don't think they would try to protect winged light from you

[sudden sleet]

The krill may not eat the winged light, but the crabs do

[nocturne verge]

Wait do crabs attack winged light lmao

[spring blaze]

yeah. they see light, they eat it

^ krills

like the manta in the first krill area doesnt pop up again after being attacked. it was definitely eaten

[nocturne verge]

With that being said, it's a bit weird how the krill don't just eat the light sources

[spring blaze]

like the flames?

from lamps?

[nocturne verge]

Yeah

[spring blaze]

flame is different from light itself

[sand abyss]

hmm maybe the light could be absorb

who knows

[spring blaze]

its a source of light but its not.. light, if that makes sense

[coral field]

I think if Krill literally monched on all light sources, most of us would be in a krill's stomach

maybe it's more absorb

[rocky wing]

In the bit with the first krill in Wasteland there’s a winged light right under the krill and it ignores it

[spring blaze]

maybe krills dont see the stars idk lol

[nocturne verge]

Maybe it can't see it

[icy pewter]

What if the krill are knocking out the winged light to feed their babies ( )

[nocturne verge]

The krill don't react to calls

[rocky wing]

And then they hit us they don’t eat the light, then just knock it out of us. You can lose light hitting a wall at speed, it’s the same

[spring blaze]

well since we are light they see us. they probably intended to eat us but like

it backfired

[scarlet wren]

hmm

[spring blaze]

maybe they dont see the star kids. maybe we were.. given the vision? to see them

[coral field]

maybe the winged lights deliberately scatter? so the krill can't eat it and you have a chance to get up and recollect it

[spring blaze]

after all we were made to bring our lost stars home

[nocturne verge]

Well, they don't see winged light either

It's like the light sources, I guess

[spring blaze]

theres a theory of where star kids are (winged light) soul fragments

[scarlet wren]

too bright must put out

[rocky wing]

The other thing is... how come the winged light don't wait around if they're knocked out of us. It's like they're stunned for a bit, then they come to their senses and run home asap

[spring blaze]

idk in the graveyard area, in the exit where we see the birds fly? the krills dont see that either. they like ignore it

[scarlet wren]

That’s more gameplay element than lore

[spring blaze]

yeah

[rocky wing]

true 🙂

[scarlet wren]

how annoying would krill be if they shook you for all your light dbjdbfjf

[rocky wing]

It does feel like us and the mantas and spirits on one side, and the krill and winged light on the other tho

[nocturne verge]

I'm sure they'd love to

Winged light restores light to capes though

They're definitely not made out of darkness

[spring blaze]

well, i mean. if we get hit and the light doesnt return to us, thats gameplay element yes. but thats also asking “hey why doesnt the star kids come to us when we’re right here”

[rocky wing]

I don't think they can move tho

[spring blaze]

yeah theyre like frozen

standing and looking up

[nocturne verge]

Maybe they're similar to the spirit memories?

[spring blaze]

but the ones in eden, they like sitting there by the hallway waiting even though theyre so close

[nocturne verge]

They could contain memories of trauma then

Or maybe they're just resting in the end

It's hard to tell and i'm not sure if we're meant to know - at least just yet

[rocky wing]

after I do eden next, I'll lose all my stars and then go back, see what happens

[spring blaze]

dont you have wing buffs

[rocky wing]

it's going to be hard not saving anyone tho

[spring blaze]

wait so become capeless then go to eden?

[rocky wing]

yeah, but they can be knocked out by krill I think?

yeah

[spring blaze]

once you enter the final area you’ll just die. theres nothing special

[rocky wing]

probably

[spring blaze]

i went there with 2 stars and they all got knocked outta me. so once u lose ur flame energy since ur capeless, you’ll just die

[rocky wing]

did you start the last part with no cape?

[nocturne verge]

When you're capeless, you only have your flame to live with

[spring blaze]

practically. i had 2 stars left

yeah

[nocturne verge]

If that is depleted in the last section you'll just die

[spring blaze]

so once you’re outta flame, you’re dead. nothing rlly happens

[nocturne verge]

Unless you run back to a light source

Before you die

[rocky wing]

Ah, the point would be to go capeless, and start that last part with nothing. You die pretty instantly at the end. If it's true that we're basically stealing the winged light and the krill is there to guard it, then by doing that you put all the winged light back, then go back to eden.

...and probably nothing at all happens, but hey 🙂

[nocturne verge]

I don't think we're stealing the winged light

We're meant to save the fallen in Eden

To do that, we bring them their light again

And the krill seem to just be wild creatures made of darkness

[spring blaze]

yeah

we return the stars back to the statues

[scarlet wren]

yeah

[obtuse vapor]

What’s the coelacanth then

[scarlet wren]

I guess it’s like, borrowed power more like it

[spring blaze]

its the whale nova

but.. then we have some extra afterwards if you managed to go thru all the statues with 109 stars

[tribal knoll]

what if eden is 3 am,,, every other place seems to have a time assigned to it.

[obtuse vapor]

I mean

Yea

[spring blaze]

eden is probably midnight so maybe

[nocturne verge]

Isn't 108 winged light the most you're supposed to get right now?

[spring blaze]

isle = dawn
prairies = day
forest = rainy
valleys = sunset
wasteland = dusk
vault = night
eden = midnight???

[tribal knoll]

i feel like 3 am is scarier tho

[spring blaze]

RIGHT yes 108

sorry the bugs about 109 stars got ingrained in my head

[tribal knoll]

how do you get 108 stars????

[hollow bobcat]

I always saw the winged lights as fragments of sky kid ghosts. They are Light (in the proper noun), so they power and replenish cape energy, but more potent. When we give the winged light back to the statues in Eden, I think that completes the sky kid ghost and they are able to return to Eden, and then reborn.

[hushed steeple]

I wonder what kind creature the bones at the wasteland use to be

[sudden sleet]

(Friendly reminder for all to keep things on the topic of lore Gameplay-related topics and questions should go in other channels)

[hushed steeple]

Ah, my bad!

[sudden sleet]

That wasn’t meant for you @hushed steeple! There had been off-topic conversation earlier

[hollow pier]

I think the winged light are Soul Flame not Soul Fragments, it takes the shape of a kid because it was previously inside a kid? I think the winged light respawning to their original spots is just a gameplay mechanic than lore.

It is interesting that krill don’t eat winged light like krabs do

In Journey the mechakrill straight up bite your cape and eat some ripping it from you, got to go back to previous levels to collect again

[short aspen]

maybe the winged light going back to their spots is bc theyre bound to those places for some reason, like the spirits. so theyre drawn to the spots they originally fell to ? and collecting them to add to ur cape is like holding them in a jar

[hollow pier]

But in Sky.. it could be they don’t eat the WL because it’d make the game harder, or extremely lore intentional considering what happens in Journey

Maybe we’ve not being paying enough attention to the name “winged light”, not “winged star” or “winged spirit” but light

They break instantly when exposed to damage, so maybe they’re just energy? Not parts of souls just pure megabird energy

Edit: text wall warning
To go back to an earlier topic, we see spirits collecting light (birds and stuffing them into pots) with a firework staff and iirc there’s a butterfly net but do we actually see any of the spirits use candles

I don’t think they could make candles with star magic like we can because if they could the crying spirit shouldn’t have died

They could have hugged, high fived, or just yelled at each other to recharge then pull out a candle and freedom

Also of note, why do we have spirits we need to help in Valley, Isle, and Praire? There’s no krill there or signs of destruction that would have killed everyone so how did they become statues

It’s like the darkness came all at once everywhere but Vault and Wasteland

Like they all lost their connection to the megabird at the same time and that statued them.. Maybe the Eye of Eden breaking was even worse than we thought?

Eden was the height of their civilisation, once upon a time that Eye was supposed to do something other than kill. An artificial connection to the megabird? Trying to reconnect to orbit and the MB?

[obtuse vapor]

Ok sorry for being That Guy but..

Megabird??

[worthy mountain]

@obtuse vapor

[waxen galleon]

You might be right, @hollow pier , some kind of device.

E.D.E.N.

_ Electronic Diamond Enlightment Network
_ Earth Defence Event Network
_ Enlightened Deity Electronic Nexus
_ Electronic Device for Enlightened Nascence

[obtuse vapor]

1. what’s that megabird meant to mean?
2. OH MY GOD E. D. E. N

[sudden sleet]

@obtuse vapor

1. That is a question this channel is trying to figure out (among others )

[obtuse vapor]

Ah I see

[short aspen]

anything thats acryonymised automatically seems foreboding

[hexed turret]

A Phoenix

[obtuse vapor]

^^that honestly makes sense. metaphor for rebirth and all

[hollow pier]

@obtuse vapor the megabird seems to be god, might be the narrator, is definitely where all star magic, light, and creatures of light come from

[short aspen]

im p sure megabird is the narrator. at least, they were originally intended to be based on the earliest versions of the beta

[hexed turret]

We haven’t seen it before

In the realms

Nor was it hinted on

[hollow pier]

I remember looking up the beta intros and I don’t think 🤔 there was anything that implied megabird?

We can see a megabird mural around the gate to office

[hexed turret]

We have no ties except for the ending

[hollow pier]

And the home statues in every level (or so) are of the megabird

[short aspen]

before it was changed, the megabird would fly over the isle of dawn and wake you up. matching that with the narration, "Now, I call to you. Wake up, child." it seems to heavily imply that it was our giant birdbro who was talkin

[hollow pier]

The current intro has the one entity not fall when the other six constellations do, I call that a potential megabird reference

[hexed turret]

Wow

[hollow pier]

That wasn’t the megabird in isle beta just a guide bird that turned into our first winged light? Wasn’t it?

[hexed turret]

Do we have any other evidence

[brazen ledge]

Maybe not /the/ megabird but an extension of its influence?

[hollow pier]

I was just thinking about that though guide bird though that turns into winged light

And @brazen ledge that’s exactly what I was thinking

[hexed turret]

Hey we got another bird but it’s in the winter season

[hollow pier]

So maybe winged light is just part of the megabird’s light?

[hexed turret]

idk about that

But it’s tricky

[brazen ledge]

if we run with the phoenix thing, that's another entity associated with fire

[short aspen]

i do like the phoenix theory

[hollow pier]

I think if all the spirits and kids are part of the megabird/Phoenix that nicely explains how we rebirth and avoid true death (mostly)

[hexed turret]

Yea just a cycle

[hollow pier]

So while the megabird never dies we get those sweet Phoenix powers

[hexed turret]

But it’s passed on right

And there’s like colours for the cape and different designs to it

I wonder how

[brazen ledge]

From what I understand, in Chinese mythology the fenghuang (similar to a phoenix) is also associated with Confucian virtues, which have to do with stuff like altruism, honesty, knowledge, manners, all that good stuff

Phoenix-looking things crop up a lot in different mythologies

[hexed turret]

So they’re birds that can be reborn?

[brazen ledge]

That's like the key phoenix thing yeah

[hexed turret]

but they do have slightly different appearances

[modest skiff]

Everyone Dies Eventually, Nerd

EDEN

[lone epoch]

Hm.

[hushed steeple]

when i first came across eden in this game, i instantly connected the word eden to bibilical description of “garden of eden” i wonder if this mean, eden was once a paradise then something went wrong and eden is now dangerous place where statues await to be freed

[tender egret]

21: what IS the seasonal quest spirit?? who are they??

((this is my last question tbh))

[lone epoch]

21: A Nomad, probably.

[fervent whale]

21: They're named clyde!!

[tender egret]

:0?? theyr'e named clyde??
oh cool

[fervent whale]

this is not canon

but it is in my heart,,

[tender egret]

oh
welp, i'll just call them clyde too

[modest sequoia]

@hushed steeple That's my interpretation

[hushed steeple]

also a serious question, does the cut scenes have voice over like telling story or something?

especially ones in temple?

[modest sequoia]

~insert own story here~

Why we got a whole thread

So we'd stop taking over the general thread

Or the Eden thread

Just general enough to know the basics, but not too specific as to tell you outright...

Just realized, I haven't listened to the cutscenes that closely... Is there specific music for the cutscenes? Is there sfx?

[spring blaze]

theres no voice over thats for sure

[modest sequoia]

Also just realized, they must save bank not having to localize text and voice overs

[spring blaze]

special cutscene music plays. if i remember is that the valley elder's music sounded playful?

[wary prism]

The way the mountain for the flight race is split down the middle is kinda like the statue/grave of the Valley elders

how did the mountain get split?

[spring blaze]

yeah!

[wary prism]

it seems like they built stuff post split? since they have bridges connecting the buildings sandwiched on to the mountain

[spring blaze]

probably?

[modest sequoia]

Ooooh! First experimentation with forming light into larger crystals?!

A mini Eden, if you will

[hushed steeple]

Like the red ones?

[modest sequoia]

No, like the crystal in Eden that went thermonuclear

Would explain the scientific looking area before it

[wary prism]

mmm there is some weird gravity going on in citadel with the floating orbs and the buildings falling apart with bits floating in the air so maybe

[modest sequoia]

Would explain the pageantry, with the huge walkway 'n all

[wary prism]

?

[spring blaze]

walkway???

[modest sequoia]

Or maybe, aquaduct?

[wary prism]

it has clouds in it though,

[modest sequoia]

Light creature pathway

[spring blaze]

maybe they harnessed the clouds lol

[wary prism]

oh it could be for boats?

[spring blaze]

thats true

[modest sequoia]

Boats!!$$

[spring blaze]

[modest sequoia]

Its always those freakin boats!

[wary prism]

the boat in ice rink could have been for air travel rather than the lake?

if the ice rink was ever a lake, the boat would have been a bit big and clunky

[modest sequoia]

Boats and butterflies!! Its all these jerks care about!

[spring blaze]

i think the boats were always air travel? magicked and stuff

and jars lol

[modest sequoia]

Also, clouds came after much of the time, it seems

[spring blaze]

thafs fanart

[wary prism]

ah that's not actually from the game

it's fanart made by someone

[spring blaze]

@waxen galleon made it i believe

[wary prism]

yup

[spring blaze]

i can see why its convincing though ;)

[modest sequoia]

The idea of it

[spring blaze]

we dony know that but its a possibility

[sand abyss]

made by Atlantean

but would love to see if that happens

[modest sequoia]

I'm prescribing to the idea of a rising-cloud levels/sea level thing

[wary prism]

from Shira's beta album for Valley

[modest sequoia]

Also, first time I saw that mountain, I went on a weird "OH! The mnt. from Journey!" headtrip

But I can't fit it in... No matter how much leeway I give myself

Hmm, it's not an area most people experience on a first playthrough

Probably on purpose, lore wise

[hushed steeple]

Headtrip is now my new favorite word

[modest sequoia]

I thought it was the slogan of this thread,

"Post your late night headtrips here! You're among friends"

[hushed steeple]

Yep

[zealous sedge]

My gosh, have you guys ever realised that isle temple is basically an enormous ship?

[sand abyss]

one big ship that carries a temple?!

[zealous sedge]

Or the first big ship. Ran a ground, and slowly an island built up around it. And due to the significance of it, they build the temple to mark the sacred ground. 😱

[sand abyss]

_b r u h _

does...does that mean......Isle Elder....the Captain of the ship?!

[zealous sedge]

He could well be!! He could have been the one to bring all the other elders, and why, significantly, he used to give you your first cape, he welcomed and equipped you to enter the lands.

[sand abyss]

i mean, he might be travelling with the other spirits for many, many years

Hence his appearance before and after you give the light to him

[zealous sedge]

Need to find what the land around temple looked like in beta otherwise I’m just combining two separate threads of the lore that don’t combine.

Yes!

[sand abyss]

Mhmm! Might ask the old beta testers about this

I knew its something very different from the current one

Like there used to be snows around the Old Isle

Plus I don't recall a ship in this one ( though there were flying boats back then )

[zealous sedge]

Yeah. I’m sure I watched videos. It was all land bridges etc.

[sand abyss]

Mhmm!

[zealous sedge]

Hmmm. Detective hats on. I’d be so excited if there is some sort of ship evidence in old beta!!

[sand abyss]

this ship has to be ancient though since the one in Wasteland looks very modern ( especially with the metal scraps in the Shipwreck )

🔍

Its clue hunting time!

[zealous sedge]

Go go go!

[sand abyss]

okie dokie

Try looking at what Shira posted ( like, from: ShiraCheshire#2956 has: link )

https://imgur.com/a/1cYLqtx

there we go

;3 shira provide some nice stuffs about the Beta so

dabs

[zealous sedge]

That’s exactly where I’ve just been looking! 😂

[sand abyss]

L o L

[zealous sedge]

Hmmm. No real evidence, but no angle of the temple that could provide clues either

[sand abyss]

Mhmm

probably recently added or something

but at the same time it might not be a ship but who knows

[zealous sedge]

Going to have to hunt YouTube videos down.

[sand abyss]

https://i.imgur.com/LE4LKHM.png

Especially if you look at this one

[zealous sedge]

It might not be but I’m choosing to believe it is! 😂

[sand abyss]

X'D same honestly

Isle Elder the Captain of the Se- Sky!

👀 Or Sea who knows

Oh! And one thing,
Both Isle Elder and the Salute Spirit both has the firework staff

meaning that staff been used when at the ship

[zealous sedge]

Yes! Like a distress flare or to signal to other boats.

[sand abyss]

Mhmm! plus theres like boats in the ship ( well technically the boats are every where, except for Vault )

[zealous sedge]

The rock with the star kid, also resembles a large ship. That has been weathered by the ages...

[sand abyss]

the one in Isle right?

[zealous sedge]

Yeah yeah!

Thing is, trying to draw clues from the environment is virtually impossible if the environment has changed dramatically over time. I mean, I wouldn’t recognise isle if the old beta suddenly loaded up. At all.

Though I wish it would! To experience the old stuff. Like archived files that you could just go and play.

Isle temple from above

Metallic glitch but do you see what I see?

[sand abyss]

👀

that would be lovely for both old and new players to experience the Beta worlds

[rocky wing]

Reminds me, in the room in Prairie where there's a workshop, there's a half-built boat and you can see the internal construction. The outside is stone, but there's a core of a gold metal material running through the boat - presumably this is what makes it fly.

[sand abyss]

Could be could be 🤔

[zealous sedge]

It’s too... precise. It can’t be a natural formation. its got to be a ship

[dark flame]

great hair

[zealous sedge]

I just noticed 😂

Thank you!

[sand abyss]

ajsdhakjshd

fabulous

[zealous sedge]

I wonder if there is anything in the side cave, that could be inner workings of the ship...? I don’t recall anything but cave but a close inspection

Required

[sand abyss]

Hmm tried to go inside those holes but no luck

[zealous sedge]

I mean the cave on the left of the temple... with the dark plants inside. That looks positioned perfectly.

[rocky wing]

It's a ship with lifeboats!

[modest sequoia]

@zealous sedge Hehe, In thumbnail form, it looked a little like a duck/pelican head wearing a big stone crown, attacking you through the clouds. See, the little portal as the eye...

OMG!! The MEGABIRD!

[rocky wing]

In that side cave, there’s a tiny tunnel btw. Don’t bother going in. You can only do it if you’re a chibi - I used a shrink spell, went in, and it’s a dead end. (And I think went afk for a few minutes, the shrink spell ran out, and when I came back I’d grown and got stuck!)

[modest sequoia]

It is the beak of the Megabird!

[zealous sedge]

Oh .... but look....... back end of temple

[sand abyss]

DEFINITELY A SHIP

[modest sequoia]

Cargo exploded out its back end?

[hexed turret]

ship

i say

[zealous sedge]

ship

I’m so excited!!! I would say that pretty damn good proof, right?

[hexed turret]

yea looks like a rammer

warship anyone?

[sand abyss]

👀

[hexed turret]

but yea you say a ship but with no water

[modest sequoia]

Isn't it more half a ship? Isn't the rear end kinda open if I remember?

[hexed turret]

yea

[zealous sedge]

I’m just going to put these photos into one post now, so we don’t have to scroll all over to find them.

[modest sequoia]

Where were they headed?

Oooh! Better!
What were they running from?

[sand abyss]

This channel has been just

BOATS

and

MEGABIRD

X'D And I don't mind it

[rocky wing]

@hexed turret the boats fly in Sky 🙂

[hexed turret]

yea it's sky after all

[sand abyss]

Mhmm especially if you remember the boat in the prairie three bell towers

Especially that mini cutscene with the the waving spirit, well, waving at the spirit on the flying boat

[modest sequoia]

||Office too||, I'm counting it

[rocky wing]

There were flying boats in the beta, there's one in the office still, and there's actually one in Prairie still, although it's OOB and broken

[hexed turret]

spoiler tag it

[hexed turret]

you look cute with the hair

[rocky wing]

(No need to spoiler tag here, it's the spoiler channel...)

[hexed turret]

i forgot lol

[modest sequoia]

Only spoil ||Megabird|| from now on, it'll add credence to his legacy

[sand abyss]

ppfpffp

[modest sequoia]

And mess with new guys

[sand abyss]

we should have like

emoji of him

[hexed turret]

hehehe

[rocky wing]

@zealous sedge wait, that ship at the back of the temple. That's too small to match up with the bit at the front! Is that actually a docked ship?

[modest sequoia]

@zealous sedge And really, good catch!

[sand abyss]

Amazing search there Boon!

[zealous sedge]

It bulges out inside the temple.

[modest sequoia]

Ooo, last-ditch life boat to escape from eden?

[hexed turret]

thats the lead

[modest sequoia]

Orr, they were planning on using the eden crystal as the engine

When Eden blew, blew the front half of the ship all the way out here

That grated window area seems about the right size...

[zealous sedge]

They built the temple around the ruins of the ship I reckon. Hence the middle section inside sort of disappears a bit....

[hexed turret]

yea it would've been infested with crystals by now

[modest sequoia]

@zealous sedge The middle section with the door? Or the elder's section?

[zealous sedge]

This has been so much fun! Though people were chirping at me as I was exploring. Thinking I was lost or something I imagine. One was doing the no emote at me. 😂

Elders bit

Too thin there

[modest sequoia]

Thinking thats where the big engine/crystal was/would of been

[zealous sedge]

Yeah that would happily fit.

[rocky wing]

@zealous sedge at least nobody tried to follow you! Had somebody I think was doing eden for the first time follow me up a cliff and get stuck before 😬

[zealous sedge]

Oh no!!! 😱

[rocky wing]

Went for a look 🙂 Actually the back does look connected to the front from up here. It does look like the ship got wedged on a mountaintop somehow and the temple was built over it

(how come the temple is only half built tho?

[zealous sedge]

Wow look at that!! 🙌

It is curious about the temple though.

[sand abyss]

incomplete I guess?

[zealous sedge]

Wonder what might have interrupted the build ...

Or whether it is just, the game. We’re not supposed to look backwards. 😂

But then the level of detail in the buildings around valley that you can’t even access...

[rocky wing]

Looking at it, there's probably technical reasons why it's like that

they wanted the solid front, and they wanted the back with the windows, and they didn't want a corridor it takes 10 minutes to walk down. Solution: cut the castle bit in half, push the windows room inside, hope nobody flys over it to take a photo 😉

[zealous sedge]

Who was it who was going to write the lore out? Perhaps we should notify them to our discovery.

[sand abyss]

the only places you can go back are Isle to Forest

well, beginning of Forest

[zealous sedge]

See I’m going to be really conscious of the boats I come across now. It was only because I finally found my missing star in the cave through the clouds. Was flying back and realised it looked like a ship.

[rocky wing]

I fly up there a lot, never noticed it! (It's so nice flying all the way to the top of that cloud wall, then just flying slowly down, you can glide for ages!)

[hexed turret]

more like decay

[hushed steeple]

Whoa that's high

[sudden sleet]

@hushed steeple since this channel is to discuss lore, screenshots like this one should go in #screenshots-and-videos

[hushed steeple]

Am ok thank you 👌

[crimson grove]

@zealous sedge this was probably the first version of isle

You would go through the mountain, sit at a shrine to receive your candle, and climb all the way to the temple

The grandpa cutscene was the boats one, and after watching it they would appear on the sides

And you would sail through the clouds and arrive at the starting cave/hub in prairie

Unfortunately, I don’t have better pictures that show the terrain under 😄 (especially that last one lol)

[zealous sedge]

That.... is so beautiful though. Thank you for sharing!

I could look at beta photos and videos all day. Recognising bits, others totally alien to me. 😍

[crimson grove]

This was another version that was in-game for months

The terrain was all different but it was still a climb, and at the end the steps changed many times but they always ended up at the temple here

The base was a weird circle (ignore the glitched effects lol)

And the end cutscene was pretty much what we have today, but I can’t believe I don’t have a single screenshot looking back during all those months

[zealous sedge]

Definitely doesn’t resemble a ship in any of those. Thank you for showing us! I wonder if they chipped away at the environment to reveal a little bit of lore to discover?

[crimson grove]

Isle was the level that changed the most by far. There were 3 major level setting changes I think, but almost every update they would change something small too. Maybe they were figuring out how to tell the story of the world but also create a friendly tutorial environment

In a recent livestream they said they changed to a more open level because of that, and also giving players the cape at the start of the level (before you would get it at the very end, during grandpa’s cutscene)

So it’s hard to say 😄

I would definitely consider the current level more when building the lore theories, because it’s the version they decided to keep

And the boat detail is so cool! Nice catch discovering that

[hushed steeple]

The beta version looked so crazy pretty with all the mountains and the climbing, but now it's just sand and dunes...Tbh I prefer the beta version more just because of how...full of life it is, even if it's also barren

Current Isle is nice, but it also feels quite barren to me compared to beta

[rocky wing]

Thanks @crimson grove, I love seeing these beta versions of the world!

[hushed steeple]

^

[jade galleon]

about sky language, this symbol is also on spirits and jars. I'm assuming it represent "one" "thing" "us"

and there's two different writing system in sky: one only used by ancient ancestors, mostly on ancient object in sky world and elder's outfits; another one, which is the simplification of ancestor's writing, used by and for sky kids, mostly are those on outfits and the vault cutscene

sky kids are learning these writing by studying written ancient words but don't know how to pronounce them. The ancient language is lost (since sky kids can only call in different pitch but elders can sing with language, the credit song)

i also disagree with @humble barn 's idea that "◇" and "M" are punctuations. The prayer wheels don't have punctuations on it, and most old languages don't have punctuations

and i don't think different sense of rotation of pyramids will result in different meaning or effect. I think the direction is arbitrary or designed for aesthetics. But i do agree we should read them from right to left

another thing these pyramids can be related to is Stupa

note that Tibetan prayer wheels are cylinder, and pyramids in sky are cone. I would say they're the combination of stupa and prayer wheel

this explain why they can make sound or rotate or can produce miracle events. It's very likely that the spirit of ancestor is stored inside

Hopefully we can know more about Sky languages if Vault can get a major update

(disclaimer: i'm not a linguist either)

[high pollen]

How do you folks interpret the Crab Call lady’s story?
Like, apparently she takes a stroll through the crab lair before heading above the pipes towards the exit, on which she looks at what seems to be an unconscious, dead, or just really tired guy.
How does her story relate to the call she makes?
I mean, the bird call guy was trying to, well, call birds to him.

[junior lichen]

:0 maybe the crabs gave her magic that made her unconscious at first!!

[rocky wing]

Can’t remember it but maybe he’s been knocked out by crabs and she teaches the call so it doesn’t happen to us?

[acoustic magnet]

Maybe the crabs are just so annoying or memetic that she just ends up picking up on their sound

[grizzled loom]

She could also be a scientist, to maybe find out why the crabs are angry or something like that

Theres always at least one scientist

[hollow pier]

Here’s an interesting question to keep everyone going, last week’s Japanese live stream that’s pinned says each of the spirits in this season are related to seeking light

But the wording is ambiguous whether it refers to the seasonal spirits or the “relive this spirit” daily quest spirits

[sudden sleet]

All of the spirits were connected to light-seeking in some way, like the spirits in Prairie who gather light with the staffs. IIRC though, the season event focuses most specifically the seasonal spirits tied to that activity

[raw grail]

Kinda reminds me, the seasonal spirit in the golden wasteland looks like some sort of ‘outlander’ or ‘survivor’ of some sort.

Imo, of course

[jade galleon]

hope there’s an archive for all the spirit stories

[leaden gyro]

Hey how does one get to ||the sadilite in the office||

[hushed steeple]

That would belong in #questions-and-help @leaden gyro

[leaden gyro]

Yeah I put it in there too!

[humble barn]

@jade galleon The punctuation idea was a less likely guess for me too. We don't know how old that (possible) writing system was in Sky history so I cannot put that in mind, but still, there are only 8 symbols and it's unlikely that they bothered to cover 1/4 of those fancy golden spinners with punctuations hh

[jade galleon]

yeah that's too much

[humble barn]

A new thought: there's a diamond shaped hole on each gravestone so ◇ also could be "life". (Loss of life = Death)

BTW why do we see gravestones in the halls of the valley?

[jade galleon]

they don't necessary to be gravestones tho, they can be just a container of a piece of memory

like oreo

won't say that's a gravestone

[humble barn]

Yeah I am just assuming that those are gravestones.

[wary prism]

Considering the setting of the races in valley maybe it's to honor champions or something like that?

[humble barn]

Do we have to consider Oreo as a real thing in Sky? Thought it's an Easter egg like the office

[wary prism]

I think it's just an easter egg

[humble barn]

Or maybe the world of Sky was set far in the future, in the galaxy far, far away. All the earthly things in game are real but in the past

[wind bone]

I don’t think he’s a real thing in sky

I wouldn’t count any Easter eggs as part of canon I think

[wary prism]

About the graves having diamonds all the elders have the diamonds on their chests too! They look like the old designs for the core/soul thing on the sky kids chests

[zenith dome]

iirc the skykids still have those on their chests, its just harder to see them now

[humble barn]

Actually we have a diamond on our chest or on the back when we're capeless

[wary prism]

huh! i'll have to check next time i do eden

[sand abyss]

time for someone to go capeless

[wary prism]

👀

[humble barn]

let me see

It was both, on the chest and also on the back

[wary prism]

the cores don't really have the diamond shape anymore?

[sand abyss]

nope ?

[wary prism]

or at least not as distinctive as it was

from shira's beta album!

[zenith dome]

yeah, the diamonds dont glow anymore, but the pattern is still on the tunic

[wary prism]

!!!

[short aspen]

its so faint but its there 👀 that has to be intentional

[wary prism]

you're right!

wow i definitely wouldn't have noticed that

[humble barn]

So they have changed the chest light to a sphere but left the diamond patterns?

[zenith dome]

i think i noticed it in weird lighting, it def. took a while before i was like “hold on...”

yup!

[wind bone]

Oh fun fact

We still do have those things

They’re inside of the player model

Shrink down

You can see them if you manage to clip the camera just right

Let me see if I can find an image

[short aspen]

omg

[humble barn]

wt

[short aspen]

its so tiny how do u even notice that

[wind bone]

I was stuck in a hole and I was like wait a minute what’s that

[sand abyss]

that’s .... so tiny

[zenith dome]

diamond confirmed

i guess thats one place to hide them

[hushed steeple]

Oh so that's what the dress thing the kids were wearing under the cape...

That's a tunic right? Never figured out what it really was

[wind bone]

Yeah it’s a tunic

Which aren’t very fashionable :/

[hushed steeple]

Huh cool

[wind bone]

I want my high rise pants back from winter

[hushed steeple]

Yay I learned something new!

[zenith dome]

the high rise winter pants are a look,, i love them, and the little boots,, that seasons theme was a performance troupe right?

[wind bone]

Yeah!

Winter is such a bland name :/

When you had a director, an actor, a dancer, a juggler, a musician, and some???? Shopkeeper dude

Lol

[jade galleon]

bringing oreo up was just trying to explain what those monuments do

i miss it

so much

[sand abyss]

eyyy it’s him !

would be nice to see the Shopkeeper

[jade galleon]

For now we can be sure that "◇" can refer to any single thing in Sky

[wind bone]

He wouldn’t be the same :(

I’ve never really thought about language in sky

The only thing I’ve seen really was the bells and like

The vault elder mask

[jade galleon]

sky language is too simple now

[sand abyss]

TAT i know !! He looks like a nice lad

[jade galleon]

i don't think tgc had really made a language system for sky yet lol

Was hoping it could be finished when they actually adding knowledges to Vault

[wind bone]

I took this up close pic of the mask

Our version of the mask isn’t as detailed

[zenith dome]

its the kids halloween costume version

[wind bone]

Yeah lol

This is ours

Just shapes

I think sky kids are illiterate lol

[zenith dome]

well,,, no one out there is teaching them

[sand abyss]

or maybe that mask been used for the vault spirits , not the actual Elder

that or too lazy to do the details XD

[jade galleon]

yeah that's what i posted up there

ancient sky language is probably lost

[humble barn]

@jade galleon I got it. I just think they are gravestones in the sense that they are memorial stones for deceased, and not the living (ignoring Oreo here).

[wary prism]

diseased?

[humble barn]

*deceased

[spring blaze]

the blinking came back..

on the faraway island

[short aspen]

we need a morse code translator stat

[spring blaze]

SKKDSKD

blinking’s too erratic and uneven for it to be translated but who knows?

[surreal spire]

i dont think thats morse

its too fast

[spring blaze]

it’s probably just a keyboard smash if it was translated lol

[surreal spire]

yeah i think thats light simulation that's seeping over the hill

[spring blaze]

a guy can dream

[surreal spire]

lol

[short aspen]

i know its too fast but dang wouldnt it be cool... tgc get on this pls it would be rad

[surreal spire]

I found an interesting thing that I just wanted to share

Apparently the male gender symbol, which was also representative of mars or iron, is originally a spear and shield. Similar to the constellation. Makes you wonder if there are any other symbols irl that are similar

[vivid cedar]

An interesting shape on the stone

[raw grail]

Ngl that crab is looking at you very menacingly

[rocky wing]

You can see it thinking "mmmm ankle"

[humble barn]

Interesting! wonder if there's any more

[rocky wing]

suspect that's a glitch tbh, but I'm kind of surprised no hidden messages and such have been found. It's so much fun putting an unofficial Easter egg in stuff 🙂 (There's the office, but that's more of an official thing.)

[hollow pier]

I realised nothing has been said about the giant pots in Praire temple

If butterflies and birds fill the smaller ones

[humble barn]

They are so tall! I think Ive pased through that place many times for the smiley candles but never thought of lighting up the way.
They could be storage pots, because they look too large to be carried around.
Actually some of them are still sealed, right? with black wax or something

[zealous sedge]

Wasn’t it a beta thing, you had to melt the seal off pots in some areas?

[humble barn]

Really?? What was in them?

(sealed pots)

[sand abyss]

[humble barn]

There are also large pots by the walls near the entrance, but they do not appear to be sealed

[sand abyss]

they look like glitches

[hollow pier]

Then those big pots are just ominous as HECK because either A: that’s a lot of birds and butterflies or B: they’re stuffing mantas and jellyfish in those and either way C: these really show just how messed up their economy of making those power diamonds was

[hushed steeple]

I do wonder why they couldn't just use the raw light itself and they had to use light creatures for it...

Like the seasonal lights

[hollow pier]

@hushed steeple seasonal lights?

[hushed steeple]

The ones that float around in the levels you have to catch

[hollow pier]

Ahhh I believe those are the spirits themselves, you can tell they’re the same as normal spirits because they have that timer for being in the rain

[humble barn]

The big yellow ones?

[hollow pier]

What big yellow ones, the ones above the boat in the isle cave?

[humble barn]

the ones the quest giver asks us to catch

[hollow pier]

OH THE HIDDEN LIGHT

Oh! I just realised the orbs above the isle boat are the same as hidden light

[humble barn]

I am inclined to think the light is not natural

[hollow pier]

I feel like they’re-I was about to say something similar

[humble barn]

maybe something people made from creatures of light

fermented butterflies...

[hollow pier]

Baby darkness plants are also fermented butterflies

I guess darkness plants are vinegar and hidden light orbs are butterfly wine

[humble barn]

orb = spilled wine

[humble barn]

Regarding the big pots I think they were not filled with something larger than their mouth, because they probably needed the creature to be alive and glowing (so, my guess is A). The dark plants can catch larger creatures, and this could be another suggestion of the plants being man-made plants to collect light.
And I agree with C.

maybe that exploitation directly or indirectly caused the collapse of civilization

[high pollen]

I really like how the Isle has those wall drawings that the spirits look at as they tell you to go to the temple.
I got all of the emotes (except for pray) back in the last aviary days though. I’m not sure if other emotes have the same wall writing revelations as well.

I want to know how significant the Valley activities was for the spirits, and what the war was about.

[spring blaze]

i heard that the drains we have now in isle was the same as in in a beta

[hushed steeple]

Hm...

[spring blaze]

i love that the chrome bug makes u see things that's hidden

[hushed steeple]

Yeah which is super nice

Oh! The symbols on the platform thing on the upper left! You can see them really clearly

Though I doubt they really mean anything in this case

[sand abyss]

;;-;; sorry to break it to y’all but

https://twitter.com/sky_tokasi/status/1191527211867598848?s=21

😭

what happen to him

who did this ?!

if it the crabs then curse them !!

TGC pls why you gotta do this to our hearts with the sad spirit stories

tries to remember the scene with the mom and her child on her shoulder

[spring blaze]

THE WHAT

im in school i cant see the tweet

[wind bone]

The hero stance!

Wait the tweet

Let me screenshot

[sand abyss]

pfpfpfpf

[hushed steeple]

^Yeah same

[wary prism]

I think the higher level emotes don’t really reflect what happened to the spirits

Like the cry tantrum probably doesn’t sum up how that spirit felt

[crimson grove]

I’ve always seen the emotes like our child’s perception of the spirits and their emotions

Like oh, they’re just sleeping.........

[maiden glen]

YO ACtually that’s a good way to put it

[sand abyss]

: U oh yeah

just like how the writings in Vault mask looks slightly compared to the one the Vault Elder has

[jade galleon]

google is just really bad at translating Japanese

[sand abyss]

believing to be the sky kid who actually wrote it

yeahhhh translations definitely off

[spring blaze]

ty for the screenshot!

whats the mother and kid @sand abyss is saying

[sand abyss]

ah you know the one in Valley’s Ice Rink

this one!

with

[spring blaze]

i need to see the curscene sjfjsjfk

[sand abyss]

TAT same !!!!

hence added the suggestion of watching the spirit cutscenes over again

just for this moment

Please

us lore seekers must know every single details of the spirits’ lives

or lore gremlins???

idk

XDDD

[jade galleon]

does anyone have the screen recording of the past seasonal spirit quests?

[sand abyss]

not that i have them sorry

[jade galleon]

all on youtube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Sky+spirit

[rocky wing]

Buried bus?

[jade galleon]

bus everywhere

[spring blaze]

buried boats :0

thheres jars around it too

[jade galleon]

apparently they're moving jars around the world with boats

[rocky wing]

They're sky boats, but how come they're buried? Did they fall out of the sky and crash at high speed? Or have they been there a very long time? (They seem to be made of stone so would last, but that one has a light on it, indicating it's still got power, whatever the power source is)

[jade galleon]

disaster happended

that's also why there's no living ancestors

a disaster that could end the whole Sky world

[scarlet wren]

you could assume they fell out of the sky a long time ago, and with time have buried like in isle

[jade galleon]

a fallen kingdom setting is appealing me

[rocky wing]

What we need is an archaeologist

[scarlet wren]

season of lorekeepers????

[rocky wing]

yes, no umbrellas next time, just a shovel and a BIG shovel

tbh, if we could get a shovel and excavate stuff I'd be playing Sky for years

[scarlet wren]

ME TOO

[thin flame]

owo

[wind bone]

@thin flame please repost these in #screenshots-and-videos with a spoiler tag as these images aren’t related to a lore discussion

[dull plaza]

The crying emote shows spirts with pickaxes similar to how the one shows a spirt with an umbrella, who knows >->

[hollow bobcat]

I think the whole Sky world has been shattered, like a supercontinent broken apart.

Home is like a separate continent; which is why the teleport gates are necessary.

[hollow pier]

@humble barn the big pots might be for bigger creatures, in isle when a spirit catches a bird with the firework staff it turns into a light orb

Something similar could have definitely happened with bigger creatures, and there’s those freed mantas in forest temple but thinking about forest temple and those creatures of light maybe they’re just flying through because they felt a breeze for the first time in years, or maybe they’re flying through because they detected the power diamonds activating, like how the krill before the wasteland temple

OR MAYBE a new theory and so far my favourite what if all the birds and mantas are flying towards the temples because the megabird is controlling or guiding them to guide/help us?

Or maybe they’re not helping us, maybe it’s the migratory return to the megabird, maybe the life cycle of all creatures of light is birth, migrate to the megabird, rebirth

[humble barn]

What I thought was larger creatures probably cannot be put into those pots alive because the larger pots have small mouth.

I think they needed them alive, but it's just my theory! I remember that bunch of butterflies came out from the pots alive in the prairie elder cutscene

[modest skiff]

Hey, sorry to interrupt. I just wanna share a video I made with a compilation of all the Elder cutscenes!

https://youtu.be/F45tApENkew

Felt this might be useful for future lore discussions

[humble barn]

thats great thank you!!

[hollow pier]

I wonder what the origin story before the fall was, whether the ancestors were made by the megabird, or one rebirth mantas evolved into the ancestors, what did the ancestors even do in orbit? Where did the ancestors get technology, they wouldn’t need any in orbit I wouldn’t think

I think « light » whether it be originally megabird light or not definitely converts into creatures of light and vice versa, that seems rather canon anyways, so the mouths of the pots are probably a conversion tool like the firework staff allowing bigger creatures into them

All praise @modest skiff part of the megabird

[modest skiff]

Whaa

[humble barn]

That's possible, and it's also possible that mantas were really soft and can be squeezed in somehow

Like Genie and the lamp

[hollow pier]

I believe that’s probably also true because we clip through mantas and they can also fly through land

Maybe creatures of light can’t fly through the forest trees/what diamonds are made of and that’s what pots are also made of?

[sudden sleet]

@modest skiff can you repost that link again with the description of what it is? I’d like to pin it

[modest skiff]

Sure!

Here’s a video I made with a compilation of all the Elder cutscenes!
https://youtu.be/F45tApENkew

[sudden sleet]

Thanks!

[modest skiff]

I think @hollow pier ’s compilation of lore theories should be pinned as well. It’d be useful for any newcomer who wants to get a summary of what has been discussed already.

[hollow pier]

*partial summary so much has been theorised since I made it

[modest skiff]

Yeah but still lol

Veryyy useful

[humble barn]

I think the stone pots and Forest wood have different textures, though the colors are similar
But maybe not? I should jump on the tree tunnels and see how it sounds like

[hollow pier]

Well the forest trees are definitely a different texture than the diamonds unless I’m mistaken

[humble barn]

I meant from the stone

[modest skiff]

I always love jumping on the tree tunnels, and I remember them sounding very solid, but not quite as rattley as the pots

[humble barn]

I am jumping now and yeah trees do not make clangs

[modest skiff]

Yeah lol

[humble barn]

I also see some birds and mantas flying through the stone walls and columns but probably those are visual glitches. The stone pots should contain the creatures right

[hollow pier]

But pots if made from trees would be a processed material oh I just made an assumption that they process the trees to turn into the diamonds because of that concept art where they purify/concentrate/treat darkness into tech

[humble barn]

I think they did, like they processed the butterflies

[humble barn]

I think stone was a natural material in Sky, although no stone quarry has been found in Sky so there's no proof.

[jade galleon]

what’s the tree in forest made of tho

i can see there’s rock everywhere in sky

and why there’s a muffin in prairie

why candles in small cave

why temples, who/what do ancestors worship

[humble barn]

A long time ago a giant made a huge muffin. He dropped it and people ate the muffin from inside

The muffin got hard over time but one person with a yellow cape kept eating it while he collects butterflies

yellow stone?

[jade galleon]

i would say that’s a colored stone

[humble barn]

looks pretty

[hollow pier]

When I saw that yellow inside that boat the other day I felt like it was showing us something important

[humble barn]

yeah, especially because it's under or inside the stone boat
I thought it was a foothold at first but it was not

[modest skiff]

Found these above all the shelves in the room after the vault elder cutscene

Right before entering eden

[spring blaze]

ooo chunky candles

[maiden glen]

Chonky

[hushed steeple]

:O

[modest sequoia]

Candle envy

Wait, what are all these candles made of anyway?

I don't see no bees anywhere

[hushed steeple]

I’d assume wax

[modest sequoia]

But what kind of wax!
We're getting into the deep, deep, late-night kinda lore now

[hollow bobcat]

The candles are the solid state of Light.

[humble barn]

I was googling and found that people were making candles from whale oil

[hollow bobcat]

I think of candles like batteries for Light, or whatever magic-tech the elders use.

[modest sequoia]

You guys made me check wikipedia! During the Middle Ages and earlier, tallow candles were most commonly used

[spring blaze]

its probably the same sorta candles we see ingame

[modest sequoia]

Oh god! Its people!

[humble barn]

manta candles...

[crystal glen]

I like to imagine the kids make candles and place them around the world for others who need light.

[hushed steeple]

^

[modest sequoia]

Candles are made of light childrens!

[spring blaze]

D:

[humble barn]

omg

[spring blaze]

SO THE WAX IS JUST

[hushed steeple]

D:

[spring blaze]

SKY KID REMAINS???

[modest sequoia]

Thats whats Edens for!!!

[spring blaze]

D:

[hushed steeple]

Maybe like

[hollow bobcat]

I think almost any long-chain polymer can be used as a fuel source.

[hushed steeple]

They started out with candles

[modest sequoia]

They just want us for wax!!!

[hushed steeple]

And then evolved their tech to create us

[modest sequoia]

Soilent candles!

[hushed steeple]

Soilent?

[modest sequoia]

Soylent (green) Candles!....It's... It's made of Sky Kids!

[crystal glen]

Ever wondered why sky kids wear masks and why their eyes are closed when they don’t?

[humble barn]

I have!

[modest sequoia]

So they don't have to endure the image of the burning remains of their ancestors!

Ohh god, the Skymanity

Ok, I've had my fun

[humble barn]

are children clairvoyant or

[spring blaze]

whats that

[humble barn]

extrasensory perception, a visual one

[modest sequoia]

Do have that third eye...

[spring blaze]

owo

[humble barn]

Apparently, they could see things with their real under-the-mask eyes closed.
or maybe their orb in the chest is the eye

[modest sequoia]

Echo-sonic? They move around like bats?

Explains the honking

[spring blaze]

maybe our mouth is rhe chest hole

hjönk

[modest sequoia]

Hehe, I'm having to much fun sorry

[humble barn]

Wheres the mouth

[modest sequoia]

Noses are canon atleast

[spring blaze]

it looks like an arrow pointing up lol

[wary prism]

it's a reddit updoot

[spring blaze]

SKDJKSKD

its orange too!

[humble barn]

whales and dolphins also can use echolocation (bio sonar) and they use their noses to make sounds

and their noses are located above their eyes like our third eye

my sister's third eye is darker than mine maybe she has rhinitis but sadly i have to deny this idea because seasonal masks have no third eye

[modest sequoia]

Were getting into matrix level canon here

[spring blaze]

idk whats going on anymore LOL

[humble barn]

: D

I laughed way too much today and now my abs hurt

[obtuse vapor]

Ok so megabird, b o a t s, manta being shoved into tiny pots, Sky kids dead remains being turned into candles, and now, third nose eye vision.

Just lore channel things🤪✌️✌️✌️

[spring blaze]

YEAH LMAO

this is where we can go crazy

[dark ore]

Hello

Can anyone tell me what is this?

Next seasonal??

Or mod??

[sand abyss]

no that’s a fanart my friend

really nice one tho

[wary prism]

had me fooled for a sec!

[dark ore]

Yeah, it looks like real😞

But i think it is fake

[obtuse vapor]

This is EXACTLY WHAT I WANT OMGGG

[maiden glen]

That wing is really cool tho 👀

[dark ore]

Yeah

But it is fake😞

[jade galleon]

It's a Photoshop art by a Japanese player

[dull plaza]

I’m sorry if I’m interrupting anyone, and I’m sure everyone is tired of boats, but!! Yknow the yellow part? It seems like it only appears in what’s either the front or back half, unless I’m glossing over some other boat. On the same note, aren’t boats usually split into chunks with rather clean cuts? Maybe boats are made up out of several parts, & the seams tend to be the first part to break

[jade galleon]

ohh it's like the middle of something

[wary prism]

maybe it's a diamond? like the ones from vault and that's what keeps the boats floating?

[dull plaza]

Maybe it’s something similar to the lights at the end of the cave with the lightseeker spirt in dawn?

Actually, aren’t those above a mini boat?

[wary prism]

do you mean this?

[dull plaza]

Yeah!

[wary prism]

it could be something similar! it seems like most of the spirit's tech is powered by light so it'd make sense if the light orbs from this season had something to do with the boats

[modest skiff]

In the Isle temple, you see tiny boats holding three candles on each wall

[wary prism]

i think the angry emote carries something that looks similar to the light orbs too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzcETX4p16E&feature=youtu.be
from: https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyGame/comments/dnowu9/discussing_the_forest_spirits/

[humble barn]

The yellow stone inside another boat!! cool!

[wary prism]

pardon the low quality images

[sand abyss]

huh didn’t see that part honestly

they’re like carrying the orbs

[jade galleon]

I'm working on a spirit stories archive. Still only have part of the emotes from Dawn and Prairie but I'll try finish it asap. I decided to not record the stories from seasonal spirits, because I can't ensure the recording has clear enough info, and walkthrough can be easily found on video websites.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pyhkgOnhiODM45Ys0ivMStANwtU8z64x?usp=sharing

[wary prism]

that's awesome!

[humble barn]

wow thank you!

[spring blaze]

maybe theyre not diamonds under the boats but probably some energy thingymajigi that holds light so the boats are able to fly?

bc for boats i can imagine that you’d need to have to direct it right? vault diamonds, as far as ik, can only hold/bring things up (ex the gazebos in flying race, the bridge in final area of forest, the elevator)

like they have a set position they need to be in and from what we remember, vault holds info so it would make sence for the vault-like diamonds to remember where things are supposed to go (hence why the bridges in forest are able to be held up despite being broken down: the vault diamond remembers where its supposed to be)

if that makes any sense?

[wary prism]

yeah it does!

[dull plaza]

^^

[spring blaze]

or am i just overthinking skfkslf

good goood

so bc of that, the boats probably have a specialized tech that allows boats to be, well, boats. enter weird golden middle thing

it has the ability to hold the boat up but riders can also guide it too

[wary prism]

the little fin looking things on the side of the boat seem to be what helps control the direction

[spring blaze]

yeah!

[wary prism]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14uIWgS5HoPNnRXk41KeQp-yR4QCm3gZ-

kanpai these recordings are great!

[spring blaze]

i feel like the boats having a diamond could be convinient. yknow to remember routes and stuff

but who knows

dude!!! no one talks about the isle spirits!

[dull plaza]

Maybe they could slide in a diamond into one of the holes in the curls, magic gps ahaha

[spring blaze]

the come with mee feels like it's asking us to come with them skdkskd ans they all sit around murals

wait

THERES DIAMONDS ON THE SIDES OF THE BOATS

MAGIC GPS BABEY

[sand abyss]

lol

[spring blaze]

adding my headcannon to my lore files

[wary prism]

pffffft

[spring blaze]

sometimes i feel so smart

[dull plaza]

Hgvhs this is v ery off topic now, but maybe the little boats store light in a more physical form that makes it easier for the folks that make the boats to turn it into the yellow stone

[spring blaze]

thats true!

[obtuse vapor]

Um idk if this has been said yet, but I don’t think the diamonds are controlled by only tech. in the vault we use that telekinesis emote to lift diamonds ourselves, to open the door, so I assume other ancestors had this power to control the diamonds too. Then again there are the other diamonds that are held permanently without anyone having to control it. So if it is tech, then why make it if there were ancestors who can control diamonds like we can?

I’m incredibly sorry if this is a stupid question, I’m quite new to sky lore

[wary prism]

that's a good point!

i think the diamonds that we move in vault for the door are being used like tools rather than us having a more direct interaction with the door if that makes sense?

like we put the diamonds in place so they can move the door

[obtuse vapor]

Oh yeah, so like magic keys or something

Did they glow? I forget

[wary prism]

i thought of it more as the diamonds moving the door? because it's pretty heavy

the diamonds are the tech that the spirts have made and they utilize it to power other things as well i guess is what i'm trying to say

[obtuse vapor]

Yes
But I mean why make the diamonds have that GPS system, if there are ancestors who can move them? Or maybe only some of the intelligent ancestors can move them so only they’re allowed in that room

Idk I’m sorry😅😅

[spring blaze]

not rlly a gps system, more so that the diamond remembers the route?

the routes the boats will go

[obtuse vapor]

What if it used to be a REALLY important room? Like there is a gravestone in there

Oh yeah ik

[wary prism]

mmm i see the diamonds on the side as more of what powers the oars and makes it float?

[short aspen]

^ i was thinking that too but couldnt remember if the boats fly or not

[spring blaze]

rhey do

[sand abyss]

they do

[spring blaze]

im beta they did

[obtuse vapor]

They probably just go in the direction they’re facing

[short aspen]

i sort of remember a spirit memory in prairie's village area where the wave spirit was waving to a boat that wasss flying away maybe

[wary prism]

yeah!

[obtuse vapor]

Mhm!

[wary prism]

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/14uIWgS5HoPNnRXk41KeQp-yR4QCm3gZ- from Kanpai!

[obtuse vapor]

(I wish there was a boat race)

[spring blaze]

i feel like the only boat we dont see submerged in the earth

is the one near the workshop at the cave

like its just sitting there

and it looked parked too

[obtuse vapor]

And even that isn’t a full boat 😂

[spring blaze]

its been a while since ive been in praries

lol

[obtuse vapor]

What’s the place with the most boats?

Just curious

[spring blaze]

WAIT NO

theres boats by the first area of forest

[obtuse vapor]

OH

[spring blaze]

not submerged at all, literally parked on the side

[obtuse vapor]

RiGHT

[spring blaze]

YEA SKDKSKF

[obtuse vapor]

THEY ARENT BROKEN

[spring blaze]

uh i'd say praires

THEY AREN'T

[obtuse vapor]

FULL BOATS

[spring blaze]

THERES EVEN POTS ON THEM

[wary prism]

they're kinda covered in earth iirc?

[obtuse vapor]

POTS

[wary prism]

also about the boats following a path thing is it possible they go along the routes of the birds? sort of like boat going down a stream?

[obtuse vapor]

(Pots make me 😦 thinking about the creatures stuffed in them)

[wary prism]

from shira's beta album for isle

[short aspen]

so instead of water currents, air currents ? that sounds plausible

[obtuse vapor]

Except the stream that their facing just ends in a cave with a dead end:(

[spring blaze]

literally full boats parked on the side

i think the wider end of the boat is the back

like rhe backside i mean

[obtuse vapor]

Yup

[spring blaze]

so those boats are facing front

[obtuse vapor]

They’re facing the cave

[spring blaze]

yep

[obtuse vapor]

I wonder where they go

[spring blaze]

i also noticed a neat detail lol. the diamond flips out when you do it

idk if is known or not

ugh dang discord

[obtuse vapor]

Like do they just lift off the ground

O I can’t see 😦

[spring blaze]

yeah there we go

[obtuse vapor]

Oh cool nvm

[spring blaze]

they flip when we light the thingy up

[obtuse vapor]

Nice!

[rocky wing]

Definitely oil in Wasteland

Also, boats have definitely been there a long time, moss has grown over this one

[hushed steeple]

But if it's oil wouldn't it combust when we walk through it?

[humble barn]

Probably not. Highly inflammable oils like gasoline are volatile and can't stay on the ground for a long time, and we usually need a high temperature to ignite a liquid oil

[rocky wing]

It'll be a thin surface layer over water too

[humble barn]

The colorful pattern we see is caused by thin film interference so probably there's a thin layer of oil on the surface of water.

[rocky wing]

I can't believe I never saw that oil shader before 🙂 But it's only visible when the camera is very low down

[obtuse vapor]

Um have you guys talked about why the wasteland is how it is? If so can someone fill me in on the theories?

[raw grail]

I know this is just meant to be a hidden detail, but since we are in the lore section, why do you think the graves get a glow ‘only’ when the candles are lit?

[rocky wing]

@obtuse vapor It has been, can't remember them all, but waste coming from whatever eden is was one of them. That makes sense to me, since the pipes seem to lead to eden, and some sort of gloop is coming out of the bottom of the pipes.

[upper crag]

Does anyone knows what the red lotus-like thing in Eden is? Why is it there?
What’s with the white giant fish?
What is below the prairie cloud filled space?
What’s with the spirit with the pots in the cave?
So many things I don’t know!😵😵

[hollow pier]

Red lotus thing? The giant white glowing diamond? It’s a broken diamond ♦️ like in vault or anywhere else, it’s shooting out broken pieces of itself or something

Oh that reminds me

Maybe the red crystals on the ground in Eden didn’t grow but they’re broken pieces of the diamond, and it breaks into shards like that?

[hollow pier]

I don’t know why this never occurred to me before, maybe the storm around Eden was a lot worse to begin with when the diamond was still at full power, maybe that’s what caused all of the kingdoms to fall and the spirits to die, bonus theory: maybe that huge burst of light is what called the krill

Also noteworthy we only see the gold metal in the back of the boats

So I’d definitely agree that they’re propulsion and the powered diamonds are for flight

Ohhhh if the Eye of Eden burst like that maybe the giant hail of red rocks across all the kingdoms is what sucked the light from the boat diamonds and made them crash!

[spring blaze]

upside down boats by the trail

propulsion?

[hollow pier]

Perhaps there wasn’t a giant storm that destroyed everything just a giant hail of rocks across all the kingdoms

Propulsion, what made them move forwards instead of just up. I can’t think of another plausible explanation for them otherwise

A giant hail of rocks would explain why most of the spirits are doing happy everyday things and why the spirits are trapped in statues like the kids in Eden

Wasteland spirits would have come from inside the vault in this theory

[hushed steeple]

Spirits lived in the Vault? It just seems like a giant library; not much living space...

[spring blaze]

not rlly live but ig stayed in vault? scholars and stuff

[ivory sorrel]

I'm still wondering if it would be possible to access Vault memories, because I assume that they keep them within those floating lanterns in the shelves

[spring blaze]

lightseekers ending if anyones interested. super cute!

[modest skiff]

@hollow pier Found another diamond! Further proving our earlier theory

And owo what’s this?

[hollow bobcat]

Are the diamonds and other glowing stones a more concentrated and powerful source of Light than candles?
In maybe order of increasing Light density and power:

• Plasma (fire, flames)
• Melted wax (from individual candles)
• Solid red wax (candles made from lots of melted wax)
• Solid blue wax (seasonal)
• Solid white wax (ascended)
• Stone
• Crystal

[rocky wing]

Why stone? The rest makes sense, although I'd say fire was energy being released (which you can use to warm up / recharge), and wax etc. was stored energy (more like a battery you can use later)

[untold flame]

@modest skiff harmony

[modest skiff]

?

[spring blaze]

i think they mean stone as a solidified version of light that's not as concentrated as crystals??

[hollow bobcat]

@rocky wing @spring blaze
Yes, stone being less dense or concentrated than crystal.

Less organized or structured would be another way.

[rocky wing]

Ah ok, makes sense from that angle, but I've not seen it being used as an energy source in the game? It always seems to be flame or crystals

[spring blaze]

its more of a concept

thats why we’re here. to talk about these things owo

[rocky wing]

Yeah 🙂 But when there's a theory, we need to test it - if there's stuff in the game that goes against it, it can't be right and needs changing. In this case I'd agree with all of it except the stone, which I'm not sure about. (Note: not sure, not saying it isn't, just I can't think of anywhere where stone seems like an energy source - it always seems to be fire or crystal (or maybe the gold metal in the boats and such?)

[modest skiff]

Stone can be used to contain light

Such as the pots containing butterflies, and the elders’ tools

[rocky wing]

The pots are just pots I'd say, but the elders' tools definitely seem to fit 🙂

[modest skiff]

Also boats, which are stone, can hold light

But that also could be attributed to the diamonds lifting them up with anti-grav

[scarlet wren]

i don’t want to interrupt but i wanted to say some thing about the krill room djdhdjbdmz

[sand abyss]

slides in

[scarlet wren]

ok ok

this might be long

[jade galleon]

I've finished archiving emotes in dawn, prairie and forest. Sunset, dusk and night coming will be done s∞n
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1pyhkgOnhiODM45Ys0ivMStANwtU8z64x?usp=sharing