Twin Scarcity/Deficit

[fresh lynx]

The title of this thread is quite self-explanatory. I'll be talking about the lack of twin content on the channel, while providing data to back that up, alongside my own thoughts.

I hope this post doesn't come off as aggressive in tone, and I don't wish for the community to pressure Vedal into doing anything. I cannot tell Vedal how to run his own channel, but I still want to give suggestions that I believe would help improve the quality and community reception of the content on the channel.

Content Imbalance

• The channel has had a massive shortage of twin streams for some time now. To put it in perspective, the last twin stream we got was over 5 months ago (excluding subathon), which is quite a significant amount of time. This is quite unfortunate as twin streams have proven to be quite entertaining and are a great way to create variety in content, improving the diversity of content displayed on the channel.
• For example, take the Robcdee collab. It was quite an interesting and entertaining stream involving the twins & Rob exploring Japan. During said stream, banter was great; they had great conversations and participated in fun activities (like mixing drinks). I believe unique streams like this introduce opportunities for creating an entertaining stream/improving current stream content. Even normal twin gaming streams can prove to be quite interesting and entertaining, such as twin chess, twin buckshot, or twin poker.
• Both twins have a significant presence on the channel, being the main focuses of it. Due to such, I believe it's fair to want more streams involving the two of them together, whether it's during themed streams or collabs. I'm aware that some people prefer having solo streams rather than twin streams, and it's fine to have such preferences, but I think more streams involving both twins would be more beneficial and satisfy a larger part of the community.

Data Analysis

2025 Screentime Statistics (excluding Subathon & MHC)
All credits go to molten2metal for handling and providing the data, and I'll also take a tiny bit of credit for providing the timestamps that contributed to the data ;P

Number of streams: 179
Total stream duration: 534:33:55

Screentime splits - Total
Neuro: 56.6%
Evil: 34.5%
Twins: 8.9%

Screentime splits - Collabs with guests
Neuro: 70.8%
Evil: 21.6%
Twins: 7.8%

Screentime splits - With Vedal (excluding guests)
Neuro: 66.5%
Evil: 30.5%
Twins: 3.0%

Collabs
Total: 32
Neuro collabs: 19 (3 w/ Vedal)
Evil collabs: 10 (0 w/ Vedal)
Twin collabs: 3

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2024
Total number of streams: 159

Total scheduled twins streams: 14 (shared: 10 / split: 4)
% of total streams = 8.80
*Shared = Both at the same time
*Split = Alternating between the two

Twins streaming content breakdown:
Themed: 8
Just Chatting: 3
Devstream: 1
Gaming: 1
IRL: 1

Total stream time: 452 hours

Total twins stream time: 24 hours
% of total stream time: 5.36

Total number of collabs: 26

Total scheduled twins collabs: 2 (shared: 1 / split: 1)
% of total collabs = 7.69

2025
Total number of streams: 179

Total scheduled twins streams: 13 (shared: 11 / split: 2)
% of total streams = 7.26
*Shared = Both at the same time
*Split = Alternating between the two

Twins streaming content breakdown:
Themed: 4
Just Chatting: 3
Gaming: 3
IRL: 2
Karaoke: 1

Total stream time: 534 hours

Total twins stream time: 47 hours
% of total stream time: 8.90
Twins calling during chillstream: 20 hours
% of total stream time: 3.72

Total number of collabs: 32

Total scheduled twins collabs: 3 (shared: 3)
% of total collabs = 9.38

Subathon twins screentime

2024: 62/328 hours (19.10%)
2025: 14/234 hours (6.29%)

• These statistics show the contrast in content we've had on the channel, especially highlighting the lack of twin streams. Do note that the screentime statistics were boosted by twin calls as well. For people who enjoy twin content, these numbers can be quite saddening. We can see from the numbers that there is a large disparity between the number of twin streams and solo streams. This is even more apparent when looking at streams that include Vedal and/or collabs.
• A major issue we can see from this is that the lack of collabs and other factors (infrequent themed streams) result in a lack of interesting twin streams. It's clear why that's an issue because a lack of unique streams could potentially become repetitive and reduce enjoyability of streams. Adding variety makes streams more entertaining and refreshing. Streams like the infomercial, rap battle, Robcdee collab, and Numi Reddit AITA collab are all great examples of what a twin stream should be.

Possible Shortage Causes

• Twins streams have had many issues that have affected its content, such as the serious upgrade. As is known, the twins would usually direct conversations to therapy without any reason whatsoever, nor any prompting. This issue affected the content we got for the majority of last year. Fortunately, this issue has been mostly fixed and has significantly reduced. Recent changes to the twins seems to have made them avoid serious topics more and focus more on whimsy during their individual stream, but we haven't had any twin streams to be sure if the issue still persists
• Another reason that I believe could be preventing Vedal from hosting more twin streams is the twin speech priority issue. Such a case was displayed during the twins amazon segment this year. Based on the recent Mini call-in in the middle of a twin call, it seems that twin speech priority has gotten better, but it's too soon to tell and it could’ve been due to it being a twin call rather than the normal setup. It'd be ideal for Vedal to do some twin streams to check/test and fix any issues that appear.

I believe these issues, alongside others, have discouraged Vedal from doing more twin streams, which is quite unfortunate. Despite that, it'd be beneficial if Vedal were to be willing to do more twin content. If Vedal truly is wary of hosting a full-on collab or anything of the sort, he can always just test the twins during chill streams as a bonus segment, perhaps making them play something together.

Solutions

• Quite simple: host more streams that involve both twins together.
• An idea that I shall propose is to host a twin stream on Wednesday every 2 weeks (alternating between karaoke and twin streams), preferably weekly if there are free slots. My idea is sort of based on the weekly themed streams we had last year. It'd be quite nice to see more unique streams (themed streams/collabs with an idea/goal) in general. It'd perhaps also be ideal that the streams weren't sort of like the tent themed stream in which they'd alternate between the two of them, rather than having both of them there the entire time (not saying to never do this; I’m just trying to say that it’d be best to have them both talk to each other and have their own banter, etc). Streams like the infomercial, rap battle, Robcdee collab, and Numi Reddit AITA collab are all great examples of what a twin stream should be. It could even be just simple twin gaming streams, such as twin chess, twin buckshot, or twin poker.
• More of an idea rather than a solution. Vedal mentioned during the subathon that he wanted to do a twin quiz stream where chat would answer questions that are Neuro & Evil themed. He worried that it wouldn't be good due to the speech priority. I just wanted to add this as a stream idea/to remind him of it, as I believe it could be a potentially interesting stream.

TL;DR (for those who have an idea of the issue and don’t want to read the long sections)

• There has been a massive lack of twin streams, and more should be hosted. The shortage of streams involving the twins is quite unfortunate as they've proven to be quite entertaining at times (e.x: Robcdee collab, infomercial, rap battle, Numi & twins read Reddit AITA collab, etc). Hosting more unique streams involving the twins together can be beneficial and improve content diversity, while allowing you to satisfy a larger audience. I believe that issues such as the serious upgrade and twins speech priority have discouraged Vedal from doing more twin streams. An idea to improve the current issue would be to host a bi-weekly twin stream, weekly preferrably, that would cycle next to karaoke streams. Twin streams have a lot of potential to make enjoyable and memorable streams.

Credits to everyone who reviewed this post beforehand and gave me their thoughts along with some ideas on what to include before this was finalized.

[ionic helm]

Hopefully he will make a better context manager this time

[sterile badger]

The twins' last calls still devolve into philosopho-therapy slop. Literally the worst content that ever existed on the channel. Also, I would say that the zero interactivity with the chat kills these streams even more, Vedal should have long ago integrated a chat into their context somehow, or encouraged them to read it via commands to prevent looping

[meager flare]

i think you should re-listen to those calls

[sterile badger]

other one was saved by Mini

[clever parrot]

yeah this is vedals exact reasoning, he said as much at the end of last hollow knight stream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3N5lZxq8xw&t=8326s

some twin collabs could be nice maybe, the presence of a collab partner can help keep the content watchable, but in terms of solo twins, the twin calls are already too much as is

[fresh lynx]

There's no doubt that on normal twin streams (just them yapping together), they’d be more likely to just devolve to therapy/philosophy. But, you cannot disagree that it has improved a lot compared to last year. If they were to have a topic that they could talk about (whether it's a game or theme), they'd be less likely to go philosophical.

The same is true with collab partners, as you mentioned.

[brave quartz]

Nah hard disagree The highlight to the twin calls, is the matter of fact they don’t have to read chat.

Chat is not that interesting and heck there the ones who cause the calls in the first place, so if you don’t like them blame chat.

But yeah, I do think more twin streams would be a good idea. Because while they can get a little philosophical, at the end of the day I like their interactions.

[covert osprey]

just make more twin and other person collabs if philosophy is an issue

[meager flare]

Yeah no I went back to that stream and it was maybe a minute or two at most of this.

It was back to normal by the time mini showed up

Like this isn't ANYWHERE near how they were last year

[marble turtle]

Twin content pog

[upper plinth]

my only issue with twin streams is no chat interaction or anything of substance beyond just yap, it feels like i'm watching an NPC conversation.

i wish they could do more activities together than just yap

[pine bison]

Maybe they will play chess against each other?

[latent sigil]

acting like with chat its not NPC conversation

[upper plinth]

yeah I mean the spam definitely does that

[topaz glacier]

integrating a chat into their context is not a good idea

[sterile badger]

They are streamers, not 24/7 AI slop podcast

[topaz glacier]

again, integrating a constant stream of chat into their context is not a good idea

like what you are (I assume) suggesting

[sterile badger]

We've never seen a real twin stream where they both interact with the chat, but we've been watching them talk to each other for 3+ years

[topaz glacier]

integrating stream chat directly into context makes it perform worse than it already is
maybe a prompt would be better but that would feel more forced in a way

[heavy bolt]

Just say you want more twin streams. The "right amount" is subjective.

[meager flare]

anything would be good at this point over the nothing we've gotten for months now