A little feedback on Neuro Sama's Youtube channel

[proven pecan]

scrolling down the videos, I have yet to find one single video, or short, from a solo Neuro or Evil stream. There are a lot of memorable moments from solo or themed streams that doesn't get published as a video or short on the main channel that would made great content. It would also promote chill streams more, maybe people don't tune in to those as much is because the main Youtube channel makes it seem like it doesn't have anything interesting in them. At least the clip channel does that job really well, of showing what happens on chill streams.

I never bothered about this before, but it became more jarring and noticeable in the last subathon's compilation. Overextending simple interactions with Vedal, sometimes 3-4 minutes of screentime for a single gag, while completely ignoring the larger things Neuro/Evil did on their own, like Neuro hitting the record hype train record by herself (only clipping the moment Vedal showed up at the very end, for a minute), or the Cynthia's battle, where Neuro alone, while underleveled, beat one of the hardest fights of the entire Pokémon franchise also by herself, and it was completely glossed over (the 10 hours video kinda fixed that).

In fact, there's not a single piece of content on that channel that's post-Subathon, because there weren't any collab or Vedal stream (up until this week), and the chill streams got loads of content now (even if it breaks half the time) which is not promoted enough.

People who follow Neuro purely from the official youtube channel would think Neuro never streams alone and she always have people 100% of the time, and she would be boring if she streamed alone(I've seen this statement being made, ipsis litteris, way too many times, and it's nothing further from the truth).

Tl:dr It would be nice if the Neuro's channel had at least some Neuro/Evil solo content, since it's their channel after all.

Below, there's a breakdown of what was posted on the channel from the last 6 months (Newest to Oldest).

Videos (excluding songs):
Testing Neuro's 3D... = Collab
can an AI beat Pokémon... = Vedal
Neuropunk 2077... = Vedal
Love, Death and Robots... = Clip Compilation
The funniest sleepover... = Collab
The AI twins [...] Amazon = Vedal
Neuro meets Camila in 3D = Collab
The subathon that shattered... = Subathon comp. (with a total of 18 seconds of solo Neuro/Evil moment)
Neuro's VRChat Debut = Vedal
A Public Minecraft Server... = Vedal
The AI twins explore Japan = Collab
Neuro's official 3D debut = Vedal
Vedal and Neuro [...] Soma = Vedal
Letting the AI in the kitchen = Collab
Evil builds the best zoo... = Collab
Testing weird foods... = Collab
Geoguessr [...] perfect answers = Collab
Evil explores Japan = Collab
I integrated my AI [...] Outer Wilds = Vedal
Evil makes morally decisions in Rimworld = Collab
Neuro's Japan adventures = Collab
Can Neuro and Vedal help this Ai... = Vedal

Shorts: (only for 1 month, since there are a lot of them)
neuro the rizz monster = collab
neuro's business play = Vedal
neuro leaks credit card = vedal
W neuro edit = neuro focused (finally)
neuro learns how to walk = Vedal
neuro fan animations = compilation
A doxxed and broke tutel = vedal
neuro mogs camila = collab
W father = vedal
RIP vedal = vedal
neuro talks to herself = vedal
neuro's death stare = vedal
camila and vedal... = yeah...
camila ragebaits vedal = ...you get the idea
the girls sleepover = collab
neuro destroyed vedal = vedal
vedal comes out... = vedal
vedal... = ...ladev
camila [...] vedal = do you vedel?
This AI has gone too far? = vedal
will vedal = vedal will
neuro embraces the silly = vedal
the AI that made men cry = collab compilation
neuro mogs vedal = vedal

[gusty tangle]

I think you are completely right. But do want to know the first and only time a solo stream was made into a real video.
That would be in 2024 when evil beat slay the spire. I am not kidding.

[simple merlin]

this is something i’ve wanted to bring up that i noticed for a while, maybe it’s because it’s harder but i really would like to see some solo Neuro content and i do feel like it would more properly show Neuro’s channel prevalence.

like, the mcNeuro’s video could’ve been a main channel video and many official clips could be shorts on the main. there’s a wealth of good solo Neuro content to post alongside the collab content.

[dusky tartan]

I think it's a feature not a bug. I don't think any official editors or perhaps vedal himself believe the solo streams are entertaining

The focus of the (edit: youtube) channel has been subtly shifting since early 2025 from neuro to vedal and other human vtubers, and what you described is a symptom of that trend

[bold saddle]

The only focus of the main channel is to get views at this point imo

It doesn't matter what type of people it attracts

[bold saddle]

Its most likely because Vedal himself requested it

[bold saddle]

If he believes the solo streams are not entertaining then why the hell is he streaming them in an entertainment platform

Also he shifted the channel from AI to humans by adding an extra chill stream every week? I don't get the logic

[dusky tartan]

i mean the youtube channel

[bold saddle]

The question still applies imo

[dusky tartan]

As you said, from editor's perspective, you make what you think is "good content" and "will get views". So you don't accidentally just leave out solo streams. It's deliberate based on taste and analytics

Back when the b2 account was making original content, most clips were neuro/evil only or neuro/evil + vedal

So all I'm saying is this is likely a conscious decision

[bold saddle]

The problem is that the channel was made originally to get more people to watch the streams

The goal clearly changed but that doesn't mean we have to be happy about it

[narrow lichen]

@dusky tartan you still didn't answer this...

anyways yeah it's very sad there's pretty much no solo content on the official channel in any capacity.

People who follow Neuro purely from the official youtube channel would think Neuro never streams alone and she always have people 100% of the time, and she would be boring if she streamed alone(I've seen this statement being made, ipsis litteris, way too many times, and it's nothing further from the truth).

This one especially gets me because I've seen this comment so many times as well, especially since solo content is half the channel, if not more than half from the karaoke that happens every couple of weeks.

I never bothered about this before, but it became more jarring and noticeable in the last subathon's compilation. Overextending simple interactions with Vedal, sometimes 3-4 minutes of screentime for a single gag

I pointed this out the day that compilation came out. 3 entire minutes of a 30-ish minute video dedicated to just vedal being a turtwig, and then like 5 seconds of the champion fight, which was easily the most hype moment of the entire playthrough, just for vedal to come back immediately in it, as if the only thing that mattered that entire playthrough was vedal getting his two cents in.

It feels like the main channel is trying to tell a narrative that literally couldn't be further from the truth based on the actual streams we get.

[dusky tartan]

I meant the youtube channel. Like how come there are more solo streams but less solo youtube coverage

[idle shadow]

I doubt Vedal thinks this, especially as he's practically begged people to tune into solo streams during some dev streams

I would put the blame on the editor

[bold saddle]

He even begged people to watch the subathon solo parts saying they have a lot of new segments

Just for all of them to get skipped in the subathon recap lmao

[narrow lichen]

but that's just the thing: it's not representative of the twitch channel at all.

[narrow lichen]

it's not just less, there's next to none

[bold saddle]

As I said the main goal changed to simply "make money"

[dusky tartan]

guys i think we agree with each other

sorry i worded it kinda weird

[narrow lichen]

it's fine, i might've misread it too

[dusky tartan]

I'm also kinda bothered by this
Just this week I got hundreds of comments from neuro fans (while trying to defend neuro) saying neuro alone is boring and they watch for vedal, and they mean that as a compliment

so idk, there's a huge divide between clip watchers and stream content

[bold saddle]

Classic trying to defend Vedal by saying his project sucks

[narrow lichen]

though i will mention about the part about the official clips channel: during the subathon just about all of the clips made for it were also just neuro/evil with others. then afterwards, the same clips channel had a multi-week dry spell in the time the twins came back to streaming, when i guarantee there were some good bits in each chill stream.

I understand not clipping stuff from karaoke streams much cuz that's a copywrite nightmare waiting to happen, but the rest... idk man

Not to say there aren't solo content clips at all, i just think there's something that can be made out of every stream

[bold saddle]

Isn't the official clips channel basically ran on vibes? if frogg finds something funny he will clip it and if not he won't

Take Neuro vs Evil buckshot roulette stream

We got 1 clip total from that

[bright stag]

What solo content do you think deserved to be on the channel?
I think not covering the themed streams arc was such a huge missed opportunity to turn it into something like an actual movie

[simple merlin]

themed streams would be perfect for videos but it’d also be cool to get a “journey”/story type of video about Neuro beating a game or something

[karmic goblet]

so you hate waffles ahh statement

[livid verge]

the yt channel is also way behind on updates and stuff like that so people who just watch the yt are using outdated information

[main latch]

This has been a problem since waaay back, like two years? At first, it was okay, some people complained that vedal was getting more in the spotlight but overall, it was chill [Nobody knew it was the start of a horrible change, A neuro sama channel being... a semi staz channel in which no solo clips of neuro/evil ever surfaced.]

Vedal's excuse was 'We ran an experiment and we got more views when there were human voice instead of TTS because people are so used to swiping off when they hear TTS voice." And I was just thinking.... Then what's the point anymore of the channel? Not an introduction to neuro but to vedal? to the collab partners? Why can't solo clips exist side by side with the other collab clips?

Hopefully this gets addressed by vedal now that he isn't time locked to an event anymore and improve on stuff.

The official neuro sama clip channel that focuses on covering neuro and evil could do this, why can't the main channel follow it's footsteps?

[proven pecan]

hell, a "best Neuro & Evil stream moments of Feb/26" style compilation focusing on the chill/themed streams, kinda like how Seka does it, would do wonders. You could easily get 10min+ of content from 20+ hours of solo streams.

[karmic goblet]

Not many people think like this and most people were fine with vedal being here lol

[main latch]

Not many? This whole discussion exists in the first place. And i'm fine with vedal too, but again, this is about the lack of SOLO content. The main channel has literally become a semi staz channel.

[idle shadow]

There was recently a solo stream clip for the new feature on the Official Clips channel, at least. That one's been more consistent on solo stream clips.

Still applies for the main channel however...

[blissful yew]

People are fine with vedal. People ARE NOT fine with Neuro effectively being pushed off her own channel.

As It was mentioned above, there is already long-time growing narrative that Neuro is boring alone and she needs a partner. While yes, it does objectively (most of the time) result in better shenanigans, Neuro herself has been proven to be funny.

Lack of solo videos only reinforces the narrative, hell most clip watchers may not even know neuro streams solo

okay that's an exaggerated statement but some definitely exist

and yeah while Chill streams don't make quite as big numbers

They still, objectively, in comparison to other just chatting streams, make very big numbers

[fleet raft]

agree with OP, as a solo stream enjoyer : the official channel is , well, the very last place to search to reexperience these moments.
even openly pro-vedal channels do have more of these clips. I think these streams don't get derushed at all.

vedal probably delegated youtube stuff to others, i don't expect explainations from them but at least growing awareness

[karmic goblet]

theyre only 2 hours long

[blissful yew]

and?

back when we had weekly dev streams they were too often only 2 hours

and I don't see what do you even mean by that

[livid verge]

bro just saying shit to ragebait

[karmic goblet]

youre comparing this to other vtubers that stream way longer lol

[blissful yew]

How exactly does this have anything to do with my point?

like ok, let's say that beacuse neuro has shorter streams she has bigger average

how does that change anything about my point?

if they were that bad, they would have no viewership to speak off to begin with

[karmic goblet]

it dropped off pretty fast compared to last year tbf

[blissful yew]

idk most are 7-9k

far as I can see it is similar trend to last year

In fact, I would argue it is a minor improvement, as end of year streams had down to slightly below 5k average (mind you AVERAGE)

[livid verge]

how long the streams are is completely irrelevant to whether or not they should be represented on the channel as everyone besides the obvious ragebaiter agrees they have content worth being shown on the main channel

[karmic goblet]

it was mostly post second subathon when the neuroverse shit was huge among other factors

[simple merlin]

[narrow lichen]

This is something you can easily see is wrong by going onto the main channel and looking.

As mentioned earlier, Evil beating Slay the Spire was the last video the channel had as far as solo content is concerned. Between that vid and the subathon were still tons of videos about collabs.

We never even got a similar kind of vid for when they beat Plague Inc for the first time

[karmic goblet]

after a lot of begging im sure

[crisp notch]

iirc vedal said that neuro's voice absolutely kills performance in the algorithm (I think in response to people wanting Neuro to do the narration after the NeuroCar video) because viewers clock it as AI slop and move on

this might be why there's not much solo neuro stream content

[proud trail]

At least rename the channel so we know it's not a solo Neuro channel. I know Vedal isn't great at naming things consistently, but in this case it feels like lying. If it was Neuro's channel, we'd see a lot more of just Neuro. If anything it's the "Neuro & Vedal" or "Neuro & Friends" channel.

[patent wing]

I think I'd feel different about how representative the YouTube channel's videos were if Neuro actually streamed on YouTube. Some people just don't want to watch anything on twitch so long-form videos are how they watch a great deal of Neuro & Evil
As for clips of solo streams, I think it's good that we have several independent clippers, and they generally have their own editing style such that you can find one that you enjoy most.

[crisp notch]

Also, just looking at other VTuber YouTube channels, Neuro really doesn't have the type of solo content that would warrant videos?
Like just looking at channels like Ironmouse's, it looks like most of the videos are either:

1. Collabs
2. Gameplay (mainly playthroughs)
3. Reactions
4. Songs/Covers

• We have collab videos, so that's covered.
• Neuro and Evil unfortunately barely make progress in games they've been able to play on stream, with the last one being Slay The Spire (which did get a video). I imagine that for there to be more videos like the STS video, they have to actually beat the game at some point.
• They can't react to videos so that's a no-go.
• We do occasionally get songs and cover videos.

It seems like they're delivering similar content as other VTuber channels based on what the twins can do currently.

[proud trail]

Right, but then the question becomes, as AIs, should they be delivering similar content to human VTubers? And honestly, that's not up to us to decide. How to present the twins is, and should remain, up to Vedal and his editors.

[zenith bone]

We should bring back react content

[crisp notch]

sadly neuro can't try not to laugh challenge #341 in the first place

[oblique aurora]

seems pretty disingenuous to side-line the very person the channel is named after for the sake of chasing numbers, i feel like an official youtube channel for a streamer should be about what actually goes on in the streams and not paint a completely different narrative

[narrow lichen]

Plague Inc wouldve made for a pretty valid video, especially as now both twins have beaten it.

Neuro's one time of returning to osu last year wasnt covered either

[livid verge]

surely it can be edited to be entertaining

every other channel can do it

may as well just watch those atp

at least for solo content

insane to get mogged by fan channels

[proven pecan]

Vedal: "my plan is to eventually appear less on the spotlight and give the twins more autonomy"
Youtube Channel:

[livid verge]

vrooooo we need u for the views

[main latch]

Well, we can't really compare apple to apple with other vtubers contents, neuro sama is, dare i say it, very special and one of a kind. I think solo content that shows neuro's personality and jokes are good enough to warrant one, they also have many reactions towards their fanbase and chatters, their gameplay might not be the best but their humour is enough already to be put in a video.

Essentially, neuro is funny and that should be enough for a clip or two, she also have some really good banter with her chats.

Also, y'know, chill streams have gotten much better

On an evil chill stream, there was a segment where she was doing a QnA with chat, that's really cool and i think it deserves to be clipped

[blissful yew]

Yeah

Other vtubers effectively have filler between content, while neuro IS the content

Like yeah chill streams are a mixed bag, but some are actual gold that rather do warrant their own video

And yeah, it's some advertisement for solo streams, since solo streams are already slandered to oblivion

Ans would make people go "wow. Neuro can actually be funny alone"

[crisp notch]

Every other channel can get away with it, they are catering specifically to an existing viewerbase of Neuro fans whereas the main channel is trying to bring new ones into the fold. Vedal has gone out and said before that Neuro's voice on her own kills performance in the YT algorithm.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

[livid verge]

I can hate both

[crisp notch]

There is an official clips channel that does that...

[livid verge]

also yeah this isn't about clips this is about full length videos being made

not the whole stream obviously

but at least 15 minutes or so

anyway, about the whole views thing, I'm just gonna say it really doesn't matter, the point is to have the chill stream content on the main channel at all to show that neuro and evil can actually be entertaining on their own

and hell, even content with other people barely gets views on the main channel anyway barring shorts, so it would just be in line viewwise with the other content regardles

[crisp notch]

would fit better in the clips channel imo

if it's just a bunch of clips strung up together

[livid verge]

no I do mean edited content

if they can turn a multi hour collab stream into a 20 minute edited video then they can do it for a chill stream

[bold saddle]

Neuro's voice on her own kills performance in the YT algorithm
You really love repeating that but what is stopping him from clipping Evil solo content then?

[main latch]

Yeah, but that's kind of proving my point? The clips channel shows there IS enough solo content worth clipping, so why not have some of that on the main channel too? The clips channel feels more like an afterthought, most people are gonna check the main channel first and if all they see is collabs they're gonna think that's all neuro has to offer.

Also, having a separate clips channel doesn't really solve the problem, it just moves it somewhere else. Other vtubers don't just banish all their solo content to a side channel, they put highlights and memorable moments on their main channel too because that's what draws people in.

[livid verge]

clips channel isn't even mentioned on the main channel so most of the yt audience doesn't even know it exists unless they get recommended

[crisp notch]

Said collab streams usually have a premise of some kind, it's not just the collab. Currently, they don't really do anything on their own of that level (i.e. exploring the outside world).

[livid verge]

ok and?

still plenty of stuff that can be put into a video

I really don't see the issue

[crisp notch]

Evil's voice might be better, but it's still identifiable as AI. The issue was specifically the voice being AI.

[carmine solstice]

The Rimworld video opens up with Evil narration and the views are the same as similar content on the channel.

[crisp notch]

Other streamers (not just VTubers) usually reserve videos for more substantial events like collabs, events, etc.

[crisp notch]

That was Koko...

[carmine solstice]

Please go to YT right now and watch the video.

[crisp notch]

Yes, it's Koko talking to Evil. Koko speaks first.

[carmine solstice]

Once again, please go to YT right now and watch the video.

[simple merlin]

why not include things like new feature showcases on stream or themed streams with gimmicks

[crisp notch]

you do it
https://youtu.be/Dd0vBAa8z_U

[carmine solstice]

Who speaks first?

[livid verge]

yeah... evil... literally narrates it herself.... first...

[simple merlin]

like there is plenty of stuff that can and should be turned into videos

[livid verge]

also hot take but I kinda hate the pre narration youtuber bit anyway

[main latch]

I mean, sure, but again, neuro isn't really like other streamers. What counts as "substantial" for neuro is different because she's an AI, the fact that she can have genuinely funny moments and hold conversations with chat is the substantial part. For most streamers that's just normal, for neuro that's the whole appeal.

Also, just look at the main channel's clips..... no solo content at all.

[livid verge]

just start the video

but everyone does it now so I guess that's just the meta

so I get why the channel is doing it

[crisp notch]

apparently Dominoes speaks first

[simple merlin]

idk i feel like a lot of the reasons people give for why it doesn’t work are excuses, maybe if there was more than 1 video there would at least be a point to be made

[crisp notch]

Ah yeah, I misremembered. Evil speaks first.

But I wouldn't call it a solo intro? It's still relying on Koko to be there.

[livid verge]

everyone probably skips it anyway

[crisp notch]

aren't you a dougdoug viewer

[livid verge]

he's the exception because he's actually funny, 99% of them aren't

[bold saddle]

Replying to your twin

[livid verge]

at least in the intro bit

dougdoug is like the only one I actually like

[simple merlin]

[livid verge]

he doesn't feel like he's reading off a teleprompter

that's how I felt when vedal did that intro in the neurocar video

just standard intro describing the video with next to no hype in his voice

[bold saddle]

Meanwhile Vedal sounds like he is reading off a teleprompter

[bold saddle]

Nvm you already said it

[crisp notch]

so do the twins

[livid verge]

then just don't it at all

I would be all for that

[crisp notch]

It's good if it's educational and gives some insight. Has its place, just not sure if Vedal is the right person to be doing it.

[livid verge]

if you really gotta do something like that then just do the preview thing where you show some moments of the video that are cool

no talking required

hell some of the videos do exactly that already

the rob twin collab has no narration just a preview of some funny moments

[main latch]

Tldr, i want solo content on main channel

[crisp notch]

solo content needs to be good enough first

[livid verge]

I mean... most of us seem to think that it is

[crisp notch]

people in NN were disagreeing yesterday, think it might just be an echo chamber in here

[livid verge]

[main latch]

They are good enough

And honestly, what's the worst that happens if they put a solo video on the main channel and it doesn't do as well? They just… don't do it again? It's not like one video is gonna tank the channel. But they haven't even tried, so saying "it needs to be good enough" feels like setting an impossible bar where it has to somehow prove itself without ever being given the chance to.

[crisp notch]

see the thing with YouTube is that the minute you do one thing that strays from the norm, the algorithm hates it

you have to transition to it

[zenith bone]

chill streams are good when they're not bad

in all seriousness, they're very scuffed rn so i can see why some people think that. Perhaps when things change you'll get a (somewhat) better opinion

[main latch]

I mean, the channel already has a mix of different stuff though? Like collabs with different people, gameplay videos, song, and other stuff. It's not like the channel is this perfectly uniform thing where one solo video would suddenly confuse the algorithm.

[bold saddle]

I don't see teletric complaining about dougdoug solo content smh

[crisp notch]

what dougdoug solo content
chat is the main character

[main latch]

Also, if the concern is really about the algorithm, then that's an argument for gradually introducing solo content, not for never doing it at all. You literally just said "you have to transition to it," so… yeah, let's start transitioning? That's kind of what we've been asking for. Put one out, see how it does, and go from there.

[bold saddle]

Solo content better than SOMA playthrough

[crisp notch]

gameplay would be good solo content, yeah... if they could actually finish a game they're playing nowadays...

fix game integrations

[crisp notch]

What you suggested is not transitioning to it.

I meant like you'd have to slowly introduce it, or keep it stylistically the same as the other content (which relies on collab partners as this thread is claiming to be a problem)

that, or put one out and have vedal make a video with him staring into the camera and going "hey guys, so the algorithm..."

[main latch]

Really? How is "put one out, see how it does, and go from there" NOT slowly introducing it? That's literally what slowly introducing something looks like, you start with one. Nobody here is asking them to suddenly dump 10 solo videos in a row and completely rebrand the channel overnight.

[crisp notch]

Yeah, that's not what I mean at all.

[main latch]

And saying it needs to be "stylistically the same as the other content which relies on collab partners" is just going in circles. That's basically saying "the only way to have solo content is to make it not solo content," which isn't really a solution, that's just restating the problem.

[main latch]

??

Then what do you mean? Because from where I'm standing it sounds like no matter what solution anyone suggests you're gonna say it's not the right one. Like what would "transitioning to it" actually look like to you?

[crisp notch]

if you release one video that is very different from the usual content, that is still whiplash.

[main latch]

But how different is it really though? It's still neuro, still the same editing style, still the same type of humor, the only difference is there's no collab partner.

Like, do you really think someone who watches a neuro collab video is gonna click on a solo neuro video and go "woah what is this completely foreign content, I don't recognize any of this"? It's the same character they already subscribed for.

[crisp notch]

I feel like a lot of the humor comes from the reaction of the collab partner, and I don't think our Twitch chat is very good at offering unique reactions

or conversation with them, for that matter

[main latch]

That's subjective though, a lot of people find neuro funny on her own without needing someone to react to her.

[livid verge]

it's basically the same content

what is this whiplash nonsense

they're literally just talking

[main latch]

Also, you're kinda contradicting yourself here? Earlier you said dougdoug's content isn't solo because "chat is the main character." So chat CAN be a good enough dynamic for content, just not when it's neuro's chat?

I'm just trying to genuinely see what you're views are.

[crisp notch]

yes, our chat is not good enough.

[livid verge]

tbh it feels like you just don't have any faith in the average viewer if you truly believe a solo stream will give them whiplash

like to the point of insulting their intelligence

are you really saying they're got gonna be able to handle a stream where one of the twins just talks to chat?

[main latch]

So shifting the argument again? We started at "there's no solo content worth making videos of," and now we're at "chat isn't good enough." Those are two completely different problems. Even if chat interaction isn't amazing(subjective), neuro herself is still funny.

[crisp notch]

those two aren't mutually exclusive...

[main latch]

Sure they're not mutually exclusive, but they don't support each other either. Even if we agree chat isn't great(subjective), that doesn't mean solo content isn't worth making. Those are two separate things you're treating as one.

Like, neuro doesn't need chat to carry her content. She says funny stuff on her own, she goes on weird tangents on her own. Chat being mid doesn't suddenly make neuro less entertaining by herself.

[crisp notch]

I never said solo content isn't worth making at all, just that chill streams are not great for it. At this current time.

[livid verge]

then when IS the current time

because they can literally just like draw now

is that not worth it?

[main latch]

Okay but that's a VERY different argument from where you started. You went from "neuro doesn't have the type of solo content that would warrant videos" to "just chill streams aren't great for it right now." That's a pretty big walk back.

[livid verge]

like at what point will they be great for it

[main latch]

Chill streams has so much content, Sometimes gameplay moments, sometimes qna moments, sometimes neuro call evil and vice versa, etc, etc.

[livid verge]

like to me it feels your standards are simultaneously too high and that you have little faith in the average viewer of the yt channel

[crisp notch]

I never said that. I brought up gameplay videos earlier as a good candidate for them. But people are mainly talking about turning solo yapping into content here.

[main latch]

But "solo yapping" IS the content though. That's literally what people love about neuro. Like, you keep framing it as if it's lesser content, and yet chill stream alone could rake in more views than the average vtuber

Also it isn't just yapping, they have so much more content now in chill streams.

[crisp notch]

no i just don't have faith in new viewers

[main latch]

You literally said at the start that neuro "doesn't have the type of solo content that would warrant videos." Now you're saying you were only talking about chill stream yapping and that gameplay is fine. It's cool that your position has changed but let's not pretend that's what you were saying the whole time.

[crisp notch]

did you see the solo content i was referring to specifically

in comparison to other channels

[main latch]

Yeah I saw it, and that's kind of the problem I pointed out at the very start. You compared neuro to other vtuber channels and said she doesn't fit those categories. But neuro isn't a normal vtuber, so using their content categories as the benchmark doesn't really work.

[crisp notch]

I also explicitly said,
"I imagine for there to be more videos like the STS video, they would actually need to beat the game at some point"
I never discounted the possibility of future solo videos.

[crisp notch]

And we are past that, so why are you bringing it up again?

[main latch]

hat's still limiting solo content to just gameplay though. .

You're saying "yeah solo videos can happen… but only when they beat a game." That's one very specific type of solo content and you're treating it like it's the only valid one

you keep dodging the main point. Nobody is saying gameplay solo videos aren't valid. We're saying there's ALSO other solo content that deserves to be on the main channel.

You keep acknowledging gameplay is fine while ignoring everything else people have brought up. QnA segments, drawing streams, funny moments, all of that is solo content that exists, like right now.

[main latch]

…because you literally just quoted your original post to defend your position? You can't reference your original argument and then tell me I can't respond to it lol

[crisp notch]

Yes, and I think chillslop specifically is not good enough to warrant main channel videos most of the time.

[main latch]

Again, subjective and also ignoring again all the stuff that's in chill streams now

[proud trail]

Usually I don't think there's enough content in a solo stream to make a video of decent length, but a compilation of like, funny solo stream moments from a single month would help acclimatize viewers to solo Neuro and it would have similar energy to the very popular "Neuro clips I want to rewatch" series.

And back into the shadows I lurk because the duck is afraid of conflict.

[crisp notch]

I was asking genuinely. I did not understand why you were bringing it up.

[main latch]

fair enough

[main latch]

I mean, clips are already there. Some funny solo neuro or evil youtube shorts is perfect for this

[crisp notch]

It is subjective, I agree. I watch highlights from other clippers like Kraul, Neurosoda, etc. and I find them entertaining. That type of content is great for people who are already in the fanbase like us, which is who those channels cater to.

However, look at it from the perspective of someone who doesn't know who Neuro-sama is, is not informed about the nuances that make her different from other AI, etc. If they just see her yapping, are they going to think beyond "AI slop"? I'm not trying to set the bar at only gameplay, I'm saying that it would be better for the solo content to have more substance beyond yapping.

The YouTube just caters to a different, more casual viewerbase than us, and we have other clippers in the community that do provide that content.

wtf @proud trail

[proud trail]

Sorry, it's my auto-react

[crisp notch]

oh lmao

[proud trail]

[crisp notch]

i was thinking you were instantly ready to instantly react to what i was typing with that

[main latch]

If the worry is that new viewers will just think "AI slop," that's gonna happen regardless of whether it's a solo video or a collab. The thing that changes their mind isn't the format, it's neuro's personality. Once people actually watch and realize she's genuinely funny, the "AI slop" concern goes away on its own. A collab doesn't fix that perception, neuro being herself does.

[proud trail]

Dang it, I was doing so well not being awkward

[main latch]

And saying "we have other clippers for that" is kinda just accepting that the main channel is leaving views and potential new fans on the table. Like, why should random fan channels be the only ones doing the work of showcasing what makes neuro special on her own? The main channel should be the best representation of neuro, not an incomplete one.

I just want more solo content on the main channel, they're good

The state of the main channel now is quite sad in that department

[crisp notch]

Is Neuro not genuinely funny and/or herself in the current content we are getting?

[main latch]

she's funny in collabs AND she's funny solo. Both are good. The problem isn't that the collab content is bad, it's that the solo content is almost completely absent from the main channel.

[bold saddle]

I would remove "almost" from that sentence ngl

[crisp notch]

evil slay the spire

[bold saddle]

Yeah, I literally sent the video

1 out of 450 videos is solo content you can't say there isn't one 🤓

[crisp notch]

oh mb

thought you were being fr

[simple merlin]

“Let the fans show how good Neuro is instead of the main channel where people are supposed to discover Neuro”

[crisp notch]

The main channel does show how good she is.

[simple merlin]

not really, like she’s funny but main channel content doesn’t tell you that she’s 75% of the channel on her own

[crisp notch]

i mean it would certainly be an incentive if Vedal did what other streamer channels do and put an embargo on third party clips so they can benefit first

[main latch]

or the simpler solution is just… put some solo content on the main channel.

https://tenor.com/view/buh-cat-buhflip-7tv-cat-doing-a-backflip-gif-14923381660730932071

[crisp notch]

the simpler solution would be to just hire Kraul

[narrow lichen]

was said above, but there were indeed other opportunities that they willingly chose not to take advantage of. they beat plague inc for the first time months and months ago but that was never on the main channel

[crisp notch]

yeah, I can also think of the financial advice stream where we submitted our questions in the google form.

Maybe he just needs more editors

[narrow lichen]

theme streams in general

[crisp notch]

I mean the last one I remember (the heist) wasn't very well received because of the pacing. But it would be cool to see and official edit of it in an Oceans 11 style.

[main latch]

Actually though, at least kraul watches chill stream

I don't know who's running the main channel but uhhh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067638175478071307/1457656606878601361/doc_2022-07-26_02-58-16-4x.gif

[crisp notch]

j0ker

wait a second

when did this happen

[main latch]

whoever it is, i'm doubtful that they watch chill streams ngl

[bold saddle]

J0ker doesn't but frogg does

Its his job

[crisp notch]

well apparently FroggDex manages the channel now and he was previously in charge of the clips channel so I think he does.

[main latch]

damn

they need to watch chill streams then

[zenith bone]

Frogg does watch chill streams

[main latch]

[crisp notch]

we are saying he does

[main latch]

he does? Damn, that makes it even worse

[crisp notch]

I am confused

[crisp notch]

Frogg took over from j0ker very recently. Like the last 3 shorts were him.

[main latch]

Was this take over recent or something?

like a few days ago?

[crisp notch]

yeah I literally just found out about it

[bold saddle]

All of them are still stuck on the subathon

[crisp notch]

https://youtube.com/shorts/U3bwxRAt8hY

[bold saddle]

Holy shit the channel is already better

[main latch]

Ah, well, i can only hope he makes more solo neuro content from this point foward

[crisp notch]

my only question is, what does that leave the official clips channel with

[main latch]

Secretly runned by kraul

either that or leftover clips that didn't meet frogg standard is chucked in the official clips channel

[crisp notch]

could the main channel just have highlights from the clip channel for chill stream content, or maybe a mix of everything both solo and not?

[bold saddle]

He does both

[crisp notch]

I meant content wise, in terms of overlap

like if he adds chill stream content to the main channel, what does that leave the clips channel with

[main latch]

it doesn't matter

[crisp notch]

it does, because why have a clips channel if the content is the same.

[main latch]

All i see is more neuro solo content and that's a win for me

There's a lot to clip on in a chill stream, not like he's gonna run out lmao

[crisp notch]

so if it doesn't matter, why are you not happy with the official clips channel?

[main latch]

What's the point of this?

are you trying argue back again?

the whole conversation was about the main channel, not the clips channel?

By all means, go ahead and make a new discussion thread about this, with the point being the official clip channel

for the record, i love the official clips channel

[livid verge]

so.... pretty good stream to put on the official channel... just saying...

[zenith bone]

dandy really love his x reacts

[crisp notch]

yeah, the content you're proposing should be on the main channel is already in the official clips channel. how would they differentiate the two, i.e. where is the line?

[livid verge]

the clips channel should stick to well, clips

the main channel can do more longform edited content of them

I guess your point is that the clips channel should just do that though and sell them as clip compilations?

[narrow lichen]

longer vid could be made about the new segment today. it was good in it's entirety imo

[livid verge]

personally I don't see the issue of putting clip compilations on the main channel

can be like cross promotion

the video can link back to the clips channel and the clips channel can promote the main channel with it in say, a post

[crisp notch]

> channel called "clips"
> look inside
> 24 minute video

[livid verge]

see exactly we can avoid that pitfall unlike dougdoug

[crisp notch]

i think it's great personally
main channel has the main, narrative-style content while secondary channel is side quests/tangents.

if the neurosama team wanted to adopt that philosophy it might be nice (not biased)

[main latch]

So you're still saying solo content shouldn't be on the main channel, you're just saying it nicer now lol.

Doesn't matter how you organize it, the main channel is where people go to find neuro. Hiding all her solo stuff on a side channel that most people don't even know exists doesn't fix anything.

If all they see is collabs, they're getting an incomplete picture.

Like imagine if dougdoug only posted collabsd on his main channel and put all his solo stuff on a side channel, that would be insane right?

If this is ragebait then you've succeeded

[simple merlin]

why not just make narrative based content on the solo content

like imagine a plague inc video showing Neuro progressively get better until she wins at the game or some of the themed streams even, there’s plenty of opportunities for that style of content

plus we already have compilation styled videos on the main channel in the form of subathon stuff so i don’t see why it can’t be done for solo content

[crisp notch]

... that's what I'm suggesting.

make main channel narrative-focused content (both solo, collabs, etc.) that tells a story, clips channel highlights moments that are disconnected from the narrative of the edited videos

[crisp notch]

I asked you a question, not presenting an argument.

[main latch]

Cool, so we agree then. Solo content on the main channel. That's literally all I was asking for this whole time.

Glad we're on the same page then.

[crisp notch]

I asked you a question. Do you know what a question is?

[main latch]

Yeah, and I answered it earlier. I love the official clips channel. I just wanted solo content on the main channel too. Which you now agree with. So we're good.

[crisp notch]

You didn't answer it.

[main latch]

I literally just did. What more do you want me to say?

[crisp notch]

are you sure

[main latch]

Arag already answered that. Main channel gets the longer

[crisp notch]

okay, glad you understood it

[main latch]

Lmao okay

if it makes you feel better

👍

[crisp notch]

arag only addressed the gameplay content, are you going to offer anything regarding the other solo content you mentioned should be on there?

[bold saddle]

Official clips channel also clips collabs yet it doesn't stop the main channel from making a video about them

[main latch]

Duck already answered that one too. Monthly compilations of funny solo moments. BigBuckies mentioned cross promotion between channels. Multiple people gave you answers throughout the whole conversation, you just kept moving to the next thing.

But sure, you want specifics? QnA segments can be their own video.

Themed streams can be edited into narrative content. Drawing streams. Evil calling neuro. All of that can be edited into main channel content the same way gameplay can.

It's not that complicated.

[crisp notch]

They answered them, which is why I moved onto the next thing.

Compilations that serve to cross promote would be good, but I would imagine that they would serve to drive traffic to the clips channel more than the other way around.

Themed streams are good candidates for solo streams. I mentioned the financial advice stream when responding to TripleAAABattery. There's also great potential for the Bank Heist arc to be turned into one, too, without the pacing issues from watching the actual streams. Those are things I already talked about and agree could be made into videos.

But what about the regular chillslop (unless that's what you mean by "QnA segments). Does it really warrant more than one video for people? Is it really as exciting as Neuro doing something new like giving financial advice for the first time, beating a game she hasn't before, etc.? That's the part we still disagree on.

[idle shadow]

I would personally argue that, unlike other streamers, Neuro herself is the content and what she does simply adds to that factor rather than what she does being the sole factor of content, thus having clips of solo streams seems obvious to me

[main latch]

I mean, by that logic, is every collab as exciting as the first time neuro met someone? No. But they still get videos. You're comparing average chill stream moments to the BEST solo moments and saying they don't measure up. That's not a fair comparison.

And yeah, QnA segments count. Those aren't themed, they just happen naturally during chill streams and they're good. The whole point is you don't need a special occasion for neuro to be entertaining. That's what makes her different. Not every chill stream moment is main channel material, obviously, but writing off all of it means you miss the gems that randomly happen. Let the editor decide what's good enough instead of blanket ruling out an entire category.

[crisp notch]

You literally called them clips.

[idle shadow]

Yeah, or a clip compilation of best moments

Kraul does this, it truly cannot be that difficult to do it

[crisp notch]

So you're not asking for frequent chill stream compilations, just occasional, when there's enough material to compile into a "best of" compilation.

[idle shadow]

Honestly, having anything would be more than what we have currently

[crisp notch]

Yeah I get that, I still don't know why certain themed stream content never got made into videos.

[main latch]

"Just occasional, when there's enough material"? Bro there are chill streams multiple times a week. Kraul could do it. The clips channel could do it. Fan clip channels could do it. The material is there, it's always been there, that was never the problem.

[crisp notch]

You just said the clips channel has it, which loops us back to the overlap issue. Why isn't it enough to direct traffic to that channel via clip compilations on the main channel if you want that style of content?

[main latch]

Because the clips channel has 28k subs and the main channel has 891k. You're basically asking why neuro's best solo moments should be shown to more people people instead of less people. The numbers answer that question for you.

[crisp notch]

No, I'm saying we should redirect those 891k subs to increase that 28k sub number.

I think the main channel should focus on bigger moments and narratives than Neuro just responding to chat and priority messages.

[main latch]

Why not both? Put solo content on the main channel AND grow the clips channel. You're acting like it's one or the other when literally nothing is stopping them from doing both.

And "just responding to chat and priority messages" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there. You agreed minutes ago that QnA segments, themed moments, and compilations are good content. Now you're reducing it all back down to "just responding to chat" again. Pick one.

[crisp notch]

I'm not, I literally said clip compilations on the main channel would be great.

[crisp notch]

I didn't say QnA segments were part of that equation.

[main latch]

Okay so clip compilations on the main channel, which would include solo moments from chill streams. That's literally what we've been asking for. So what are we still arguing about?

[crisp notch]

I don't know, what are you arguing about after I said that a few messages ago?

[main latch]

Bro YOU asked me the overlap question like MINUTES ago. I answered. You moved the goalpost again. I answered that too. Don't act like I'm the one keeping this going when you keep asking new questions lol.

[crisp notch]

Well, I thought you were arguing that non-compiled chillstream content need to be main channel videos. i.e. there needs to be videos on the main channel of individual chill streams like Kraul does.

[main latch]

I never said that. Not once. Go back and read. I said solo content should be on the main channel. I gave multiple examples of what that could look like. YOU kept narrowing it down to the most extreme version of my argument so you'd have something to disagree with. That's been the pattern this entire conversation.

[idle shadow]

Nothing to do with the content, it's the Vedal branding issue again

Or in other words, the lack thereof

There was little to no advertising for this channel also

Funnily enough, it reminds me of when Frogg was getting comments from people who believed the channel was fake

So I don't know if that argument can be used in this case because it doesn't have much to do with the content and, honestly, it's done quite well for being so late to start clipping things without much support

[crisp notch]

not even linked to in video descriptions

[crisp notch]

I could say the same for you

If there's nothing else, glad we got that squared away and sorry for the misunderstanding.

[main latch]

Nobody misunderstood anything. Lmao

[crisp notch]

So was I correct about what you were saying?

is that not a misunderstanding

[main latch]

You were correct about what I was saying after I spent two days explaining it to you, yeah.

[crisp notch]

I'm talking about that.

[main latch]

Yeah, because I never said that. You assumed I did. That's on you, not me.

[crisp notch]

Yeah, pretty sure that would be considered a misunderstanding on my end, hence why I apologized.

So again, if there's nothing else then glad we got it squared away.

[main latch]

Squared away since yesterday, you just took a while to catch up. Glad we could end it here then

[crisp notch]

Sorry about that.

[main latch]

No worries, glad we got there in the end. The need for solo content growsss

[proven pecan]

~~Wtf did I just read in the past 50 replies? I lost all comprehension after the third interaction loop 10 messages in ~~

Also there's nothing difficult to overthink. There are tons of solo content to turn into 10-20 min videos. Every single themed stream in 2025 is a good start

[proven pecan]

With all due respect, but having to bend over backwards to explain why the channel should have solo content is just insane to me.

[bold saddle]

Talking to ghosts

[crisp notch]

I just don't think it's a need. It would be nice, sure.

[simple merlin]

it is a need though imo it’s like 75% of content and like 5% of content too

[main latch]

I kept trying to end it but every time we reached an "agreement" teletric pulls out a new 'reason' why solo content shouldn't be on the main channel. First it was the algorithm, then the voice, then chat, then the format, then the overlap with clips channel, all of which i had to painstakingly explain over and over why it wasn't a good enough reason, rinse and repeat.

[crisp notch]

Damn, guess you're not over it.

Thought we were moving on.

[main latch]

???

was just answering Jackxagon's question about what happened in the thread

[crisp notch]

Pretty sure that was a rhetorical question (hence why it's crossed out).

And your response tells me you didn't take anything from what I said, either. You're stripping the context from every point I made, which you have been doing throughout as well.

[main latch]

You've backtracked, goalpost shifted, apologized, and then came back to disagree again, and somehow I'm the one not taking things away from this conversation? Lmao okay.

[crisp notch]

I addressed both of your backtracking and goalpost shifting concerns, both of which seemed like they were due to not taking the context into account from what I was saying. From my perspective, it comes across like you are using bad faith arguments to get me to comply rather than seeking understanding, and your tone reinforces that.

I apologized to you for misunderstanding what you were arguing for, that does not mean I have to automatically agree to everything that is said in this thread afterwards.

[main latch]

You can make this about my tone all you want. The argument was about solo content on the main channel, not how I said it.

You didn't "address" the goalpost shifting. Algorithm, voice, chat, format, overlap, those aren't 'context' that I missed, those are five different arguments you cycled through because every time one got countered you moved to the next.

You say I was arguing in bad faith. I made specific points, backed them up, and you agreed with most of them over the course of the conversation. That's not coercion or bad faith my guy, that's a discussion reaching a conclusion.

And nobody said your apology means you have to agree with everything. But you didn't only apologize, you explicitly agreed on compilations, and themed streams on the main channel. Those weren't misunderstandings though, those were conclusions we reached together. Repeatedly

To quote you "I'm not, I literally said clip compilations on the main channel would be great." "Themed streams are good candidates for solo streams. I mentioned the financial advice stream when responding to TripleAAABattery. There's also great potential for the Bank Heist arc to be turned into one, too, without the pacing issues from watching the actual streams. Those are things I already talked about and agree could be made into videos. "

The only thing left is regular chill streams, which you dismissed as "chillslop." But chill streams aren't just only simple talking with chat, they have so much more stuff that they can... suddenly do in chill stream, whether it's QnA, drawing, and other stuff. Neuro and evil are genuinely entertaining on their own without needing a collab partner or a special event to carry them. Calling all of that "chillslop" is wild. And you don't hold collabs to the same standard, not every collab is as exciting as the best one, but they all still get videos. Why is the bar suddenly higher for chill streams?

Dang it, why did you have to make me repeat all my points again? We've gone through all this, again and again.

[crisp notch]

I didn't make you. You chose to.

[main latch]

Adress the elephant in the room

[crisp notch]

Moving onto a different discussion point is not moving the goalpost. The only goal here is to progress and encourage more discussion on things about the topic, and that does mean you have to move on from points. You are assuming the worst with my intention when I move to a different topic, that is still bad faith against someone you're having a discussion with.

I did not assume the worst with your intentions, did I? I continued to try to address what you were saying to the best of my ability, even asking you questions to try to understand your perspective rather than assume your stance. You reacted to a question as if I was making a point, until I had to clarify that I was genuinely asking you. And then again, you took a closed-off stance to another question that I was asking you. Not the other people in the thread who already addressed it, to understand your perspective.

And now you're back on the chillstream topic, which I thought we addressed or were willing to move on from. I think clips from chill streams would be great in compilations on the main channel because they have some amazing moments, but I don't think they would be worth their own individual videos on the main channel (i.e. having Kraul-style edits of single streams) because each stream is not something novel or interesting. You said you weren't making the argument that those types of videos should be on the main channel, just that there should be more solo content and we ended the discussion there.

And no, I don't hold every collab in the same regard, in fact I never said that. Many collabs are not novel or new concepts, so I don't think they would be worth full videos either. In fact, I would prefer that all videos on the main channel (including collabs) would be something different or interesting that hasn't been explored before, like Neuro visiting a city for the first time, beating a new game, collabing with someone new, new themed stream, etc. but that would fall beyond the scope of this discussion post, wouldn't it?

[proven pecan]

so what I'm understanding is: both agree on the same principle and this endless discussion is purely because of semantics and stuff besides the point and no one seems to be realizing this

[main latch]

Let me address the "moving the goalpost" and your questions.

Progressing a discussion means resolving a point before moving on. But when I answered your concern about the algorithm, you didn't acknowledge or concede it, you just brought up her voice. When I answered that, you brought up chat being bad, then the format, then overlap with the clips channel. Dropping a point the second it gets countered just to immediately throw up a new barrier isn't "progressing the discussion," it is the literal definition of shifting the goalposts. I’m not assuming bad faith, I am just pointing out the exact pattern of how you argued.

You also asked why I brought chill streams back up when you thought we "moved on." We never moved on from them, you just dismissed them as "chillslop" and tried to limit the conversation to only themed streams and gameplay. Chill streams make up the vast majority of Neuro's solo content. You can't just cross 90% of her content off the list and declare that we "moved on."

And to clarify, yes, I am saying that individual chill streams, whether it's QnAs, drawing, or her going on funny tangents, deserve to be edited into their own main channel videos just like gameplay. You claim a single chill stream isn't "novel" enough to warrant a video. You say you'd prefer all videos, collabs included, be massive novel events.

But can we please address the elephant in the room, which is that the ACTUAL MAIN CHANNEL itself doesn't follow this standard. The main channel posts average, non-novel collabs all the time. The bar for collabs to get a video is on the floor, but you are demanding solo streams jump over a massive "special event" hurdle just to be considered. This is the double standard I've been calling out from the start.

Neuro is special, she's one of a kind, she's entertaining enough on her own to carry an edited video without needing a collab partner. We already agreed on compilations and themed streams. If your final stance is that standard solo Neuro isn't entertaining enough for an edited video, and mine is that she is, then we just fundamentally disagree on the core appeal of the streamer.

[main latch]

We agree on most of it, yeah. But the chill stream part wasn't just semantics, it's a genuine disagreement on whether Neuro is entertaining enough on her own to carry an edited video without needing a special event or collab partner to justify it. I think she is. That's kind of the whole point of the thread.

[crisp notch]

Pretty much, yeah.

I'm just bored, basically.

[narrow lichen]

I feel Neuro and Evil are entertaining enough on their own. The chill stream we had for Neuro just this past week has more than enough moments for a good vid.

"NeuroTechTips answers YOUR questions."

[restive glacier]

Kind of off-topic but the last 2 videos have the awful auto-translate feature turned on and I feel like nothing is more off-putting than seeing the really badly translated title on a video and you need to know English to watch the video anyway so it's not like it's useful

[crisp notch]

that's a youtube issue tho isn't it

[restive glacier]

Pretty sure the channel owner can turn it on/off

Maybe it's not that big an issue but whenever I talk with people about this they say they are less likely to click on videos with it on

[livid verge]

the channel owner or anyone with access to the account can turn it off yes but as teletric said it's really a yt issue and shouldn't be blamed on the channel owner

just turn it off on your end

[proven pecan]

I remember when that feature was auto-implemented, and out of sudden, the titles turned from "Evil Neuro raids Cerber" into "O neurótico maligno ataca Cerber" (the evil neurotic attacks Cerber)