Neuro Minecraft Error Hypothesis

[severe egret]

https://youtu.be/Mu7xNm8wlzE?

https://www.luanti.org/en/

So, I'm wondering if the Neuros' API makes use of the chat feature (which may not be verified on their users, since Annexes being their indicates multiplayer system)

So if their LLM outputs are related to actions they take, maybe it's associated with why the last MC stream was so broken, and she kept saying she was being told she's waiting for the last action to complete?

Maybe would be a good idea to try out an alternative that doesn't have these issues and can also avoid MS sign-in server latency, by hosting local on the network?

Luanti is built to natively support Lua modding and is C++, so fast and low resource requirements, too.

[winter umbra]

I think she only reads chat.

[lavish ferry]

You can just use local servers no?

Wait just don’t use the modern game version

1.8.9 easy fix Neruo PvP arc

[willow zenith]

i do not understand much of what is said here, but my two cents are that i assumed the "she was being told she's waiting for the last action to complete" was like a status from the api/integration that the last queue action isn't completed yet, and its somewhat blocked new inputs (but the blocking action never finished)

[severe egret]

Doesn't he use 1.21? I thought I remember him trying to move to it, several months ago

So, if the API will need to be rewritten to support older versions, might as well try something built for testing and modding.

[lavish ferry]

Also there’s gonna be a million ways around it with moding

[severe egret]

If they are trying to send chats, for whatever reason, the new version will ignore the enter key signal, if unverified, from what the guy in the video showed

[winter umbra]

is going around the age verification against Minecraft's TOS in any way? because I don't think publicly broadcasting yourself after circumventing it is a good idea.

[severe egret]

So she MIGHT have been waiting for confirmation of a message send that CAN'T happen?

[willow zenith]

community mc with neuro was 1.19 i belive

[lavish ferry]

I mean the video linked is showing ways around it

[severe egret]

There are some ways, yes, but this thread also serves to bring up why I think it MIGHT have happened

Also, hosting locally and avoiding the entire Microsoft middleman should also reduce delays they might "be waiting for"

[winter umbra]

i think it's different if you're using a mod privately vs. publicly streaming with it

[lavish ferry]

Also did the 24 hour public server have the no chat report mod?

[severe egret]

That, I do not know.

[true magnet]

https://modrinth.com/mod/no-chat-restrictions

[winter umbra]

i don't think it did

[winter umbra]

my only concern is how much or if at all the UK cares about this. from what i've seen, they don't.

[lavish ferry]

Ye I don’t believe this is gonna be a issue because there would be such large issues if people stop being able to chat in minecraft like the speeding ranked scenes gonna be dead vtubers playing with friends on stream dead so many issues would arise

Because I doubt people are gonna give there information to Microsoft

[severe egret]

Interesting. Was it enabled during the solo playthrough, the other day?

[true magnet]

yeah they dont and the mod works according to phoenix sc (a very technical mc youtuber)

[true magnet]

no

[severe egret]

Then, if we do know it was not enabled, and MC was broken as hell, it's an easy test, if next MC he enables it

The video indicated that an unverified account can't see messages sent to themselves, either.

Or messages sent by others.

If part of their interaction over MC is using one of those, and if she can't send (or even view) messages, that COULD be the issue, don't you think?

[lavish ferry]

That’s only for multiplayer and if your not op

And if it dosnt turn out to effect lan play then it shouldn’t effect them at all

[severe egret]

But who runs Vedal's MC server?

Is it Neuro's account? Or is it the camera thing ("Annexes")?

[winter umbra]

I think what's happening is that she's always reading chat for any messages to respond to before she acts. Like if someone tells her "Neuro come here", she should be able to adjust the action she is about to take.

Like even if there are no new messages in chat, she has to still check chat to see that's the case.

[severe egret]

If Neuro is NOT the owner

[lavish ferry]

Presumably for when it’s just the twins it’s ran locally I don’t see why vedal would pay some other company to host the server

But he will probably address it if it’s a issue next Deve stream

[severe egret]

But is her account the administrative one on the local server?

Because she doesn't log in as Vedal, Annexes, or her sister
(Or some other administrative account, as far as was shown)

[winter umbra]

isn't their world on a server though? does Vedal let them play Minecraft in single player and then have to push those changes the next time they're playing multiplayer?

[lavish ferry]

That idk it might be but you can do all the same things on a server as lan so it should be swapable

[winter umbra]

probably not because that would open the door to her using chat commands to cheat

[severe egret]

So then, assuming that is correct and also assuming she needs to use the MC chat for some operations, then it makes sense that the verification thing MIGHT be blocking her from receiving feedback, since messages aren't sent or received, right?

Admin CAN read and send chats, anyway

She is NOT admin

She can't read or send chats, bc account possibly unverified for age

[winter umbra]

Yeah, that sounds right.

[wicked zealot]

IF neuro is using an API to chat, it will likely circumvent the chat restriction, even so her LLM output can be sent directly via commands like the video showed (/tellraw)^
also, if its a server you can just disable enforce-secure-profile

[wicked zealot]

this completely removes the chat restriction, im suprised phoenixmc didnt mention it

[rancid kernel]

likely the case

[rancid kernel]

yea probably