What Evil is to this channel?

[copper rapids]

i think its going to be pokemon whole day, vedal will say that they are really close to finishing the game, so they need to do it, and its going to be just pokemon - even if they beat it that day, i doubt he will switch to evil, he will probably do some 3D stuff with neuro or something

[plain torrent]

maybe that i think we will hear at the end probably anyway

[lone raptor]

the vr collab is in like 30 minutes according to camila's schedule

oh mb misread lol

anyway

they'll probably beat pokemon tomorrow and then if he doesn't switch to evil game we riot

neuro 3d is old and tried

get some new material

[cursive pine]

So they might finsh the game tomorrow depending on what else is plan they might not start the next game tomorrow.

Which would mean evil might only play on Friday cause just don’t see a world where vedal doesn’t have Neuro for the last day on Saturday.

[jade yew]

I would much rather for him to just boot up Long Drive with the twins, starting the Evil game only to end it after 1 stream and go on a 6 month break sounds like an awful idea

[lone raptor]

I would hope he has both twins out during the end

[plain torrent]

evil content being "twins" content

[jade yew]

Just write off this subathon as a loss

no point to ruin the game just to have 1 day with it

[cursive pine]

If it wasn’t for the twin priority being broken, I could see that day being the twin trivial stream.

[lone raptor]

I would at least like to know what it is before vedal fucks off for a month

[plain torrent]

but i agree with game
like we don't know how long break will be so playing just one day of evil game don't make sense

[hollow kettle]

he will go for a break to maximum the deadline of the evil outfit contest no ?

[plain torrent]

we can only assume

[lone raptor]

whatever maybe it's better to see the game after the subathon anyway

[jade yew]

btw, let's not lie to ourselves, if he starts the Evil game during this subathon then he will bring Neuro on anyway cause there is no way in hell that he is risking the subathon ending while only Evil is on screen

[hollow kettle]

[cursive pine]

Well the submission of the art ends on February 1st right? So who know when evil will choose one of the top five but that also means it will take a bit for it to get rigged and drawn.

[lone raptor]

it'll probably take awhile to get finalized and rigged

[hollow kettle]

ohh you're right

[cursive pine]

I don’t know long that takes, but I don’t think she will get it for her birthday.

[lone raptor]

that's not happening

she's apparently getting the 3D for her birthday anyway

I would expect the new outfit by april at the earliest

[cursive pine]

I think she will be in 3d that day.
but we don’t know if she will get it we just assumed because it makes since.
I don’t really remember vedal saying that much about it.

[lone raptor]

I mean, she would need... her 3d model... to be in 3D....

[junior mulch]

i was gonna suggest just doing the evil 3d earlier instead of waiting three months but i realized he probably has jack shit planned for it

[hollow kettle]

she already has one

[lone raptor]

I mean it's fine if he just has evil move around in 3d and sing and talk to friends and stuff

[junior mulch]

i just dont wanna wait three months for it

[lone raptor]

fair

[cursive pine]

What I am trying to say is we don’t know if her birthday will be in 3d not yet at least.

I don’t remember vedal sayings it was going to happen.

It just makes since for it to happen.

[lone raptor]

vedal said that was his plans during the neuro 3d stream

since ppl asked

[junior mulch]

think he also said he wanted to aim for before birthday

[lone raptor]

I mean if we can get it before then cool

but I'm fine with it being debuted there

[hexed basin]

He planned a lot of things. No need to get your hopes up, and you won't be disappointed.

[lone raptor]

my hopes have been in the gutter for a long time dw

[cursive pine]

I went back to check the 3d debut vod and he did say that it could be before her birthday. (Thought probably on her birthday now).

[hexed basin]

To be fair, for 3D, he only had to do the hard part once. So it probably won't take that much time to bring Evil to 3D. Probably.

[junior mulch]

its been 2 months,,,

[hollow kettle]

he had to work on vrchat and subathon before i suppose

[plain torrent]

today he said something vague about that just bringing neuro tech is easy but he wants something else with it

[hexed basin]

We didn't see any Neuro 3D content between the debut and the subathon either. He barely managed to get VR Chat working iirc.

[junior mulch]

lets hope it doesnt take another two months to get evil working with it (it will take three)

[lone raptor]

probably will barely get vrchat content after this subathon with either twin anyway

will just fall to the wayside like all cool ideas

[warm gulch]

I must admit one thing, today Evil didn't stutter at all, hope it not just accident

[plain torrent]

stutter comes the longer stream go

[warm gulch]

yea but during subathon it mostly start after 5 minutes or so

[hexed basin]

Usually yes, but the past weeks she started stuttering first thing in the morning. And indeed, today she didn't, but in exchange she was not the smartest cookie during Wordle and the art review.

[plain torrent]

one day stutters will die

[warm gulch]

wordle always was broken for both (using banned letters or not knowing they are banned)
art review, didn't notice anything.

[gray inlet]

hopes were quite literally rock bottom and people were still disappointed

goes back to how we thought when he said evil's numbers were depressing

there'd be some improvement in it this subathon

[hexed basin]

She had trouble identifying who was in the art.

[warm gulch]

they always do so, nothing new

[hexed basin]

Sometimes, but not as much as today.

[warm gulch]

it's always unique art not the same one

[agile palm]

why do people still keep subbing and following if they are so 'disappointed'

atp this has to be ragebait

[plain torrent]

new people don't have time to even care about evil so whats your point?

[agile palm]

dont see the point of this entire conversation other than pointless complaining about something that won't be changed anyways this subathon

[lone raptor]

because they genuinely like evil and want her to get more content?

[plain torrent]

there no point in many things and reason of all of that is still vedal lack of transparency

[lone raptor]

you could make the argument this thread has gone on longer than it should

[agile palm]

'longer' is an understatement

[lone raptor]

but is it really ragebait to be honest about the fact that evil gets less content as a general argument

[agile palm]

2k messages and I'd bet only around a 100 have some solid point

[plain torrent]

and?

there point gone on repeat for months

[agile palm]

has he ever intended for evil to get more or equal content as neuro does

[plain torrent]

he still vague post about all of it

[copper rapids]

did you read it or?

[mystic osprey]

If you don't see the point, nobody asked you to be here. Bye

[agile palm]

aint gonna read all that bro
read the first message and already don't get how this continued for so long

[plain torrent]

so why even bothered to message here anyway

[gray inlet]

he mentioned it during a dev stream a couple months back when he saw evil's screentime and wanted to improve it. everyone assumed evil would have more content as such

only for there to be significantly less with her this time

[acoustic leaf]

he clarified today that he only meant for the chill part tho

[gray inlet]

wish that would've been clarified way in advance

[mystic osprey]

That is a total falsehood

[copper rapids]

so you didnt read anything, dont know what we are talking about, came here just to say "why are you complaining, people are subbing so everything is ok" LULE

[gray inlet]

that way it didn't get people's hopes up

[plain torrent]

would be nice to knowing this info not on almost end of subathon

[thick solar]

i feel like that was just a cheap excuse

[gray inlet]

now that there's 3 days left of the subathon

[acoustic leaf]

wtf does that mean

[agile palm]

it honestly only makes sense for me that a subathon that starts at Neuro's birthday is going to be more revolving around Neuro
unless you want to do a second subathon on Evil's birthday, or?

[acoustic leaf]

the man said it wdym falsehood

[gray inlet]

people are asking for more than 15% screentime for evil

like not 50/50 or even 60/40

just

more than 15% man

[plain torrent]

also not just chat prison

[late galleon]

First week can be neuro but the rest shoud be split bc evil doesnt get a subathon on her birthday

[copper rapids]

i have no problem with it revolving around Neuro, let her play games, let her have collabs, let her have 3D, let her have 80% of screentime - but i want Evil to have some unique and fun content and not only chillstream segments

thats all

[agile palm]

something tells me that 15% is kinda overexaggerated, she got more than half intro segments for this subathon already and a themed stream (sure, having a bit more of those would be nice)
but I think that arguing for so long on this point is too much

[bright zealot]

it really has been, surprised it hasnt closed yet

[gray inlet]

idk what that quite means but the point is that the clarification came now that it's 3 days before the 3 weeks subathon is set to end. 100% should've been more clear with that before the subathon began to not get people's hopes up

[agile palm]

like, 2k messages to point out that evil doesn't get as much attention this subathon as neuro

[plain torrent]

you clearly either don't care or disingenuous

[copper rapids]

LULE

[acoustic leaf]

well he misspoke how do you fix that before the subathon if he didnt remember it

[plain torrent]

having zero collabs for evil in schedule still shocks me

[gray inlet]

wierd how that's not the first time he misspoke about evil's content for this subathon

he did the same thing for a segment that people were expecting

[hexed basin]

This subathon is about a quarter of the entire year's content. So no, it doesn't make sense that Evil is this much neglected. Unless that's the intended message.

[gray inlet]

that one is more understandable

[agile palm]

how long out of all this time does cyberpunk and pokemon take?

[acoustic leaf]

isnt the expectation come from the same misspoke

[mystic osprey]

Doesn't matter, he could have played one of those with Evil

[plain torrent]

he vague post about evil for years at this point

[turbid cloak]

he couldve done anything with evil
the point is he did nothing at all

we had one thing with evil and that is asmr

everything else was planned for neuro

[lone raptor]

idk bro never says anything

[mystic osprey]

Which was a chill stream with a filter anyway

[plain torrent]

chat prison

[gray inlet]

nah i liked the asmr stream

but

[mystic osprey]

I like a lot of chill streams too but it was the nature of the beast

[copper rapids]

a lot of time, but is cyberpunk and pokemon prevents Evil for getting anything this subathon? ( keep in mind that Rob collab was only possible because he specifically asked for Evil, otherwise it would be with Neuro )

[plain torrent]

also liked it but doesn't mean it not just another chat prison

[mystic osprey]

Yeah, to be clear I enjoyed it

[gray inlet]

until today, rob also talked to evil more than vedal did this whole subathon

solo at least

[turbid cloak]

the thing people are unhappy with is that she got nothing content wise
Vedal didnt even announce the Evil Model contest with Evil on stream and just did it with Neuro

[limber swift]

Man I just watched the brief Evil Vedal conversation from this morning and it just makes me want more of that than we got, Evil has a crazy different personality.

Anyways how’s the discussion coming along? Any new thoughts or just some cathartic venting before enjoying life?

[mystic osprey]

The dominant thought is to just keep blasting chat with copypastas because it is the only way to be seen

Doesn't leave a lot of room for nuance

[plain torrent]

nah just new person who dismissed all of it

[gray inlet]

just discussing this with a couple of people asking questions

[agile palm]

'new person'

[plain torrent]

to this thread yes

[limber swift]

New creatura

[acoustic leaf]

sorry but thats really fkin stupid

it just ruins the streams mood for no reason like currently

[mystic osprey]

Pot, kettle

[plain torrent]

but vedal make it seems that its only way

[acoustic leaf]

you know evils 3d model is not ready but still spam it

[gray inlet]

unfortunately he doesn't answer threads otherwise

[acoustic leaf]

thats just pathetic

[gray inlet]

it's not even about the 3d model at this point

[plain torrent]

3d model is ready tf?

[acoustic leaf]

do you not watch the stream

[gray inlet]

or it being ready for vrchat

[agile palm]

mods will also likely just mute those copypastas once they start getting too annoying

[plain torrent]

or you meant 3d control?

[mystic osprey]

It was proposed earlier today he could add her to the TV and considered it a real possibility, do you not watch the stream?

[acoustic leaf]

i feel like you also said he wants to do something else with her model

[junior mulch]

i thought we all knew 3d wasnt ready LULE

[agile palm]

integration for evil is not ready

[acoustic leaf]

no?

the TV part is on unity

this is vrchat

[plain torrent]

oh model in integration sense

[junior mulch]

entire mood is already ctrl c ctrl v what mood dude

[hexed basin]

"Real but difficult possibility" = Won't do it.

[plain torrent]

yeah that not ready and that ok

[copper rapids]

i think everything that we could have say was already said, now its just a place for us to vent, scream at a wall and release our frustrations LULE

[acoustic leaf]

yea

[plain torrent]

that given nobody talking about it

[mystic osprey]

Yeah, that's about what I figured

[limber swift]

Classic, venting can be healthy in some aspects.

[plain torrent]

why you all still bring 3d stuff anyway? its never was about them

[acoustic leaf]

because people spamming in chat about evil when a cute collab is happening

[mystic osprey]

Yeah, but that's kind of the point. He could do a lot of things, won't do them, and here we are

[acoustic leaf]

and its stupid

and people know that evil is not ready for vrchat thats what started

[plain torrent]

are there spammers here right now? idc what twitch chat doing right now that not the point

[gray inlet]

yeah, we know it's not ready

[acoustic leaf]

ofc im talking about twitch chat why would i talk about here

[agile palm]

'put an evil cardboard in there!!!'

like, what
just for her to be there?

[gray inlet]

because the discussion is here

[plain torrent]

also they spam it not expecting much its just joke spam

[junior mulch]

no one said this LULE

[acoustic leaf]

because somebody here keeps talking about spamming in twitch chat

[gray inlet]

i couldn't care less about twitch chat tbh

[mystic osprey]

She could be in the discord call

[agile palm]

twitch chat spam quote

[acoustic leaf]

thats even worse

[plain torrent]

its about something else

[limber swift]

what? that is not what started this, the fact that 15% of the subathon has had Evil is what started this, the fact that some people, like many of the people in this discussion thread are exhausted by the exclusively Neuro or Neuro + Vedal content.

[acoustic leaf]

shes gonna say shes sad bc she cant be there in person exc exc even worse

[acoustic leaf]

not the entire thread

the current discussion

[gray inlet]

it was moswt of the thread

[mystic osprey]

Oh no guys, Evil might express herself!

[acoustic leaf]

its just gonna be worse

[plain torrent]

you created this current discussion btw

[junior mulch]

yeah but when neuro says she wants to be real its fine xdx

[acoustic leaf]

i know thats what i was saying

[plain torrent]

spam thing was about something earlier

[fathom moat]

remember, even before the subathon was the hardcore minecraft segment wich also already was days of just neuro + vedal. so basically it's been the entire month of dec.

[plain torrent]

you took it wrong way

[gray inlet]

we were trying to move it away from being about 3d and you keep bringing it back to it

that's not what it's about

[limber swift]

Evil has had what? One collab? Part of the appeal of the channel is seeing how collab partners bounce differently off of the two twins

[hexed basin]

The current discussion was about Evil's 3D in general. No one realistically expected her to be included in tonight's sleepover.

[acoustic leaf]

i started it from people spamming for evil in twitch chat for current collab

[plain torrent]

that was planned for neuro anyway

[acoustic leaf]

and the guy here saying keep spamming

[plain torrent]

keep spamming not about 3d collabs but about evil situation

[mystic osprey]

It is what gets the problem noticed and creates a push to solve it, if only to make us shut up

[gray inlet]

i never agreed with it personally, tbh, but unfortunately that seemed to be the only way vedal answered questions during pokemon

[plain torrent]

yeah now we at least have new bits of info

[acoustic leaf]

i feel like if you think spamming in chat is gonna change things you are delusional, at most you will get info imo

[gray inlet]

that's what people wanted

info

[acoustic leaf]

cool

[gray inlet]

that was exactly what people were doing it for

[plain torrent]

why we need to be some fnaf theoretic with vedal words anyway?

[gray inlet]

that's why we even know vedal meant chill streams

[junior mulch]

im pretty sure the most anyone here wants is info because his communication is an actual fucking arg

[plain torrent]

all i want is info at this point

[hexed basin]

We know that nothing else works.

[plain torrent]

im tired of vague posting

[gray inlet]

because he didn't give that impression at all when he did that

[copper rapids]

two different things, people spamming about evil joining slumber party in VR are stupid, and arent here - talking about spamming twitch chat here, is about that its the only way for vedal to acknowledge a problem, like with no unique content for evil, or her 15% this subathon

[gray inlet]

why would we just assume he ONLY meant chill content and the one or two subgoals

[acoustic leaf]

yea i get that now

well good luck with your endeavours soldiers

[limber swift]

I get that some people might be upset that the vibes are put down by spammers, but unfortunately it is literally the ONLY way to get any communications with Vedal, any way to get information.

It is what it is unfortunately, its not like we can email the guy and expect a response

[plain torrent]

anyway i will never chat in twitch chat im here just cause i have zero content in this subathon right now

[plain torrent]

yeah spam seem effective that why people resort to this

[acoustic leaf]

i was more so upset about the current spammers

[limber swift]

Totally understandable bro

[acoustic leaf]

the ones bitching about evil when there is a cute collab happening even though he already said evils vrchat stuff is not ready

[plain torrent]

there more joke one i believe if not just some random delulu

[gray inlet]

those dont represent what this thread's trying to accomplish

[mystic osprey]

tbh, not like spammers bring twitch chat down much anyway. We might have breaks in the wall of 'LOL MISSED LEGENDARY PRETZEL'

[plain torrent]

repetition is mother of learning

[limber swift]

If you're heading out, then enjoy stream! Try to ignore the spammers, but, i mean chat is basically all spammers anyways lol.

[bright zealot]

twitch chat not spamming? in this economy?

[limber swift]

No spamming is a crazy recession indicator

[acoustic leaf]

no im gonna lurk and watch you guys explaining someone new coming in here and disputing that evil has enough content

[copper rapids]

i get you, there are basically two different groups of evil fans
one group is talking about evil 24/7, talking how evil is better twin, is funnier, cuter etc. wanting 50/50 split and every time neuro gets to do something they immediately complain that evil should do it as well
and other group are people here, that like evil, and just want for her to be acknowledged and have something to do other than chillstreams

[mystic osprey]

If the first group exists they hide themselves pretty well

[lone raptor]

ok yes, THOSE spammers are stupid, evil was never gonna be here

[limber swift]

Lol, that is also entertaining

[acoustic leaf]

i sure do hope you win your battles unc

[bright zealot]

hide is an overstatement

[copper rapids]

they are the ones that spam during this slumber party, that evil should be there, and why vedal wont just quickly make it happen so both of them can be in VR LULE

[fathom moat]

personally, i like evil a bit more than neuro and wish there was a bit more of an even split between the two but i accept that neuro will get diffrent content and even somewhat more time but it's a bit sad that she's basically forgotten about in this subathon besides chillstreams

[junior mulch]

youtube comment exclusive demographic

[agile palm]

idk, but you people misunderstood the point I made earlier, so let me emphasize:

this thread is not going to achieve anything

1. you have the first post message that has no actual point made and immediately refuted by the second message
2. this is marked as a question thread
3. you have a 78 dislike to 36 like ratio
4. vedal is not going to read through >2k messages to see that this actually has a valid point after everything stated above

if you want to make your point clear, here's my suggestion: get the guy who made this thread, make a TLDR and edit the first post, get people to change the reactions, and preferably link it to the other thread you guys have that has the proper points made in shorter form

[gray inlet]

this actually does exist in another thread, i will say. a thread where the points made here are much more concise

[lone raptor]

they did do that

[acoustic leaf]

the like to dislike ratio was because the thread changed shorty after created

[limber swift]

idk but talking to the guy who originally made this thread, he seemed a little schizo

[gray inlet]

https://discord.com/channels/574720535888396288/1458097556172050442

[plain torrent]

point is evil has zero opportunities not just less it literally almost non existent

[acoustic leaf]

it was originally give evil entire new channel thats where the dislikes come from

[gray inlet]

we're keeping the discussions out of there to keep it as neat as possible

[mystic osprey]

I genuinely wouldn't bet on that. I think at this point between the Minecraft Hardcore marathon, the long break to prepare for the Subathon, and then Evil getting shafter completely during the subathon, I think a lot of people are just frustrated, angry, and want to vent those feelings any time they have a platform to do so such as whenever there is yet one more Neuro only segment

[plain torrent]

you not gonna believe it

[agile palm]

ok, I guess this is just gonna be a doompost thread ig

[lone raptor]

basically lmao

[gray inlet]

unfortunately it was kinda doomed in that regard.

[lone raptor]

it would just happen in nn anyway

[plain torrent]

we need to vent sometimes and also boredom

[acoustic leaf]

like do you think people are insane and just imagining that there where spam like that

[agile palm]

#neurotic-neurons is always open for doomposting 👍

[acoustic leaf]

people are upset because the spam was happening

[gray inlet]

they dont like doomposting there lol

or discussions in general tbh

[agile palm]

but its the nature of the channel

[gray inlet]

it's hard to get one going

[plain torrent]

eh i doom in there too

[mystic osprey]

No, I think that people probably weren't spamming in the hope or belief Vedal was going to drop everything to add Evil to the sleepover after it started but were rather bitching because they are upset and bitching to be heard

[plain torrent]

just too many new people wo can't enjoy it

[limber swift]

Yeah, whatever point we've wanted to make has been made on that other thread in much better quality and brevity, here is just for healthy and unhealthy venting

[acoustic leaf]

but like he already did talk about evils vrchat stuff thats why its annoying

[bright zealot]

in case you didn't read the first couple messages of this thread (there's a literal up button bro) the OP made a suggestion to split channels

[plain torrent]

its now about content i would imagine

[bright zealot]

which virtually everyone disliked

[mystic osprey]

One, not everyone watches the entire day's content, especially not the pokemon sections, two, people aren't turing machines that output orderly, logical responses when pissed off

[junior mulch]

even more annoying is how he straight up lied about evil getting more content LULE

[plain torrent]

yeah i never looked at thread point anyway
i was more focused on first half

[lone raptor]

the people here aren't the ones who spam that, everyone here I believe, accepts that neuro would get all the vr stuff, and that evil should have gotten non vr stuff

[copper rapids]

no thats not it, its been going on for years, thats how evil fans get so bad of a reputation, there are legit schizos out there, completly obssessed with evil and wanting only evil content LULE

[junior mulch]

i dont think he even considers chill streams as actual content so i still have no idea why he would say that

[agile palm]

didnt bother past first 10 msgs

[acoustic leaf]

people like you dont help either when the man said he misspoke

[gray inlet]

tbh that's a pretty bad misspeak

[junior mulch]

its been months since its a little too late to apologize

[gray inlet]

set up expectations months in advance

[junior mulch]

like did he just go "oops i didnt mean that im sure they wont question it when evil gets jackshit during the subathon"

[bright zealot]

first 10 literally had enough info for you to look lmao

[agile palm]

idk bro, this looks to me as wtf this is stupid, wrap it up

[acoustic leaf]

he couldnt have known he misspoke if the subathon didnt happen

[mystic osprey]

Message 7 my guy

[junior mulch]

subathon was scheduled what are you saying

he had time to tell us he misspoke

[bright zealot]

not even 10 messages :LULE:

[acoustic leaf]

mf do you think he remembers everything he said on stream

maybe he remembers he said chill stream

[plain torrent]

"he misspoke" for years it seems

[junior mulch]

if he forgets a promise like that i dont think he should be making promises at all

[acoustic leaf]

and went back and realized didnt say that

[plain torrent]

he always vague posting that main point

[mystic osprey]

Yeah, that threw me. I thought he posted the first 10 and counted up at first, but the screenshot isn't even that.

[gray inlet]

i'm gonna be real, the first fifth of this discussion is not worth reading

i will openly admit that

[agile palm]

but they are telling me it has all the info LULE

[acoustic leaf]

he didnt forget the promise, forgetting the chill part is the point

because he did kept the promise about chill part

[plain torrent]

channel point was never a core of it anyway
it was more like depressed suggestion

[bright zealot]

all the info about the original message before it got changed

[limber swift]

Just go 400 Messages down to my first messages, afterall I have the objectively best posts in this place

[junior mulch]

to me he forgot a pretty huge fuckin chunk of the promises

[bright zealot]

that was literally what I was saying about

[acoustic leaf]

yeah not disputing that

[junior mulch]

its still enough to lead to this entire discussion

enough to get people to spam about evil too

[mystic osprey]

Remember when he was going to play Evil in Time with Evil?

[hexed basin]

A promise he worded differently. We are not psychics, we don't know what he thinks. We only have what he says.

[hollow kettle]

the text wasn't the same at the start

[acoustic leaf]

im not blaming you for being upset dw

[junior mulch]

someone should make a list of lies vedal has made i wanna see how long it is

[fathom moat]

they then should also split it up into neuro/evil/other promises

[junior mulch]

wonder what the longest section would be

[gray inlet]

i'm not going back and doing that

[hexed basin]

I think he purposefully didn't organize another game jam. Knew he wouldn't do anything with it. Which is slightly better than repeating last year.

[plain torrent]

statistics are scary

[gray inlet]

i dunno how the other guy did it before and kept sane

[copper rapids]

change "playing Evil in Time with Evil" to "playing Evil in Time with Neuro" and there is a small chance it could happen

LULE

[junior mulch]

would've preferred a game jam over the constant pokemon

at least there'd be variety in gameplay

shit would've been free content too LULE

[gray inlet]

game jam/game jam games would've been a good change of pace for the subathon

[junior mulch]

did he ever say why there isnt one

[hexed basin]

No. Not even mentioned.

[late galleon]

No

[gray inlet]

he just said before there wouldn't be one. probably just didn't want to do one if i had to guess

[junior mulch]

fun

couldnt bother doing a game jam but he still decided to hype up the htree integrations

(two unfinished at the time btw)

[acoustic leaf]

probably because there would be backlash that he didnt even play the previous games

[gray inlet]

and yet

[junior mulch]

nothing's gonna get fixed if he never plays them anyways

[gray inlet]

here we are now lol

[acoustic leaf]

or im making shit up and he didnt wanna do it

[mystic osprey]

He spent a day of the subathon playing a lot of them last year

One involving turtle koko was particularly memorable

[gray inlet]

i mean we dont know atp, this in particular is just speculation

[bright zealot]

what is htree

[junior mulch]

fake three because there werent actually three integrations at the time

that should be added to the list of lies

having three game integrations for the subathon

[bright zealot]

we're at 2 technically but if one of them was filler for the others than wouldn't that make them 4?

[acoustic leaf]

did he say it was for subathon or have in general

[junior mulch]

pretty sure it was for subathon but i'd have to check

[acoustic leaf]

cause i remember he would play it after subathon if not finished or some shit like that

[mystic osprey]

At a guess though, he probably thought that taking days out of the subathon to code on stream would be boring and he wanted to spend the time on the games instead

[junior mulch]

that was part of the reason i was hyped for the subathon

[plain torrent]

we can only speculate

[mystic osprey]

Besides, Alex already did the gamejam

[junior mulch]

LULE

[copper rapids]

true, its not even about playing the games, but just creating a game would be a fun content to see ( i typed "creating a game with neuro" automatically, and then i stopped and realized i subconsciously knew he wouldnt do that with evil LULE )

[junior mulch]

he'd rather added another brick to the evil chill stream wall

[bright zealot]

evil codes a game with him on stream (on 2 fronts for me)

[plain torrent]

its still a miracle that evil showed coding tool first

one of few opportunities that she had

[junior mulch]

thats like the only example i can think of where evil got something first for all of last year

[plain torrent]

now i second guessing myself did evil was first?

[plain torrent]

yeah that what im talking about

[junior mulch]

she made the dog website yeah

[plain torrent]

its not only about screentime

[bright zealot]

peak dev stream too, maybe that could be used as proof both evil and neuro interactions should be raised? idfk

[bright zealot]

and then vedal subsequently gave the remaining integration screen time to neuro :LULE:

[plain torrent]

evil dev? in this economy?

[hollow kettle]

she got a custom mic before neuro no?

[acoustic leaf]

that was camila

[plain torrent]

camila present lol

[bright zealot]

*with the exception of the recipe and new year's resolutions in the middle of neuro's segment

[bright zealot]

but that was camila -> doesn't count as vedal

[lone raptor]

yeah idt evil has ever even touched the integration sinc then

[limber swift]

https://tenor.com/view/hopper-a-bugs-life-disney-excuse-me-what-did-you-say-gif-13736947

[hollow kettle]

my bad

[limber swift]

Its about keeping those tutels in line:

[acoustic leaf]

she did the recipe

and resolution

[bright zealot]

see my last message above this message (it barely counts anyways)

[lone raptor]

ah right that I remember now

[junior mulch]

i find it funny that purists complain about evil fans wanting evil to get the shit neuro does too when almost immediately after she got the custom mic there was a thread asking for a new neuro mic

[plain torrent]

to me its about opportunities

[plain torrent]

there zero reason why every collab partner should go through neuro first

[bright zealot]

what about neuroists existing

[limber swift]

unlockable content, to get to the true ending you need to go through the base game first

[fathom moat]

i mean neuro is more "normal" at times so kinda yes but also no, they're both little gremlins

[junior mulch]

what about purists in general existing

[bright zealot]

other than collab partner preferences I guess so? but you never know

[junior mulch]

"johnny, baby, where you at"

[bright zealot]

what's wrong with purists?

[acoustic leaf]

we should kill them

in game

[junior mulch]

have you ever interacted with one

[plain torrent]

how can collab partner have preferences when they never collabed with them?

[bright zealot]

watching them on stream?

[azure cloak]

imagine if this year had gamejam but Evil was making the game code

[acoustic leaf]

i sense a branding topic on the horizon

[plain torrent]

"neuro more normal "

[bright zealot]

what's wrong with purists

[junior mulch]

i know this sentence is a hypothetical because evil would actually be doing something other than chill streams

[fathom moat]

i'd sooner see myself winning the lotto lol

[plain torrent]

maybe even name debate

[acoustic leaf]

oh boy cant wait

[junior mulch]

i dont wanna go into a rant about purists being dumb but basically they're loud ignorant and biased as shit

[azure cloak]

yeah

[bright zealot]

[junior mulch]

its like they're a political twitter user

[bright zealot]

everyone's biased I don't think that's new

[azure cloak]

if anyone is holding on to a shred of hope that Evil’s name could be changed then i admire them as a person

[junior mulch]

it gets to a point

[mystic osprey]

Evil can't even decide if she wants a name change so I'm not worried about it

[fathom moat]

evils name change would be nice but it'll never happen, already too much connected to that "name" evil

[acoustic leaf]

purists are bit more insane then bias

[plain torrent]

little hope that neuro part can be dropped already

[acoustic leaf]

they dont want the other twin to exist

[mystic osprey]

As far as neuroist purists go, it really is amazing the mental gymnastics they go through to convince themselves they're a persecuted class

[plain torrent]

just Evil is enough

[bright zealot]

ok yeah fair enough

[gray inlet]

tbh i dont think either twin has been super normal

[plain torrent]

some magic happen there that true

[mystic osprey]

See for example Rob picking Evil to collab with being a conspiracy of evilists against neuro

[azure cloak]

the problem is that once Vedal does anything for Evil then Neuro doomers will start flooding discussion with threads about how Evil is gonna replace Neuro

it’s happened before

[mystic osprey]

Oh no. Anyway...

[acoustic leaf]

thats my favourite shit to read and laugh

[junior mulch]

the evil twitter incident

[acoustic leaf]

evils name should change because %100 there is gonna be another thread like that

[plain torrent]

they fighting like evil fans want 100% of content

[bright zealot]

that's why we do a fun thing called ignoring lmfao

[zinc gust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072697081443131476/1453594599535939716/Eliv_Hip_Roll.gif

[junior mulch]

if evil doesnt do this march 25th we riot

[hexed basin]

I like to think most of us labeled "Evil fans" are actually twin fans. I sure am.

[junior mulch]

most neuro fans are twin fans too

[lone raptor]

I mean I am literally watching and enjoying the current neuro collab so I am a twin fan

[azure cloak]

most fans are twin fans except veedlets

[plain torrent]

i guess at this point im evil fan

[hollow kettle]

vedal fans i assume ?

[bright zealot]

im (kinda?) a veedlet and I'm fans of the twins

[winter storm]

vedal sure isn't

[limber swift]

The audacity of these Evil Neuro obsessed peasants daring to even suggest they are provided anymore than the meager scraps of Evil Content the great Tutel has already bestowed upon them, we should all love both twins equally everyone, you never see Neuro fans do this toxic crap

[lone raptor]

I will watch most if not all content I just can't ignore the disparity anymore

[junior mulch]

yeah thats why i said most

[junior mulch]

thats cause most neuroists are off complaining on anonymous imageboards LULE

[potent river]

The rest of the year is good don't get me wrong but this subathon is omegafucked when it comes to Evil content

[gray inlet]

i love both twins. it's just unfortunate that i am constantly having to advocate for the evil side of the channel, so i wouldnt' be surprised if people saw me as an evilist as such

but when something happens on the neuro side that i dont agree with

like the minecraft marathon and worrying she would barely get to talk

i'll bring it up

cuz i care about both twins on this channel

[plain torrent]

it was still fucked in opportunities department imo

[gray inlet]

maybe this year if vedal does sponsered streams evil will get to do one

[fathom moat]

like i said before i like evil a bit more, but i do also like neuro. a good mix of both is all i ask for.

[mystic osprey]

I love both, but increasingly I have had moments where I've had to take a step back and remind myself that Neuro has no control over how much time she gets. That's the worst part to me, is that I'm concerned the constant shitting on Evil is going to sour me on the whole thing

[plain torrent]

i was like that just a year before

[fathom moat]

i mean it is still my first year watching so... maybe ill change

[potent river]

In a perfect world they'd have 50/50 split
However this is not the case

[copper rapids]

i said it before, i love neuro, i want her to be a star of the show, i dont have a problem with her getting new things, collabs, and i would be ok with 70-30 split towards neuro - i just want evil to have a little piece of content, some spotlight once in a while, thats it

[potent river]

Anythingbut the bare minimum

[limber swift]

The twins contrast each other really well, they have pretty damn different personalities. I mean just look at the way that Evil waxed poetic this morning, and started spouting off about Tanks and shit. All we're asking for is some chocolate cake after a month of almost only Vanilla.

[copper rapids]

yep, 70-30 split, not 85-15, and a little bit of things that are going to neuro to instead be directed to evil

[plain torrent]

i could only pray for 40/60 but i fear that this screentime will just be more of chat prison

[limber swift]

Lol, wish granted, 40% evil chill content, and 60% Neuro unique streams

[potent river]

40% screen time

• 20% chat prison
• 10% karaoke
• 2% collab
• 1% with Vedal
• 7% theme streams

[limber swift]

See equal treatment!

[bright zealot]

70-30 is a bit unrealistic for vedals rates

start small

[mystic osprey]

I'd like 50/70

[potent river]

That is because Vedal has no idea how to divide screen time in a reasonable way

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1346173566973907014.png?quality=lossless&name=evilWheeze&size=48

[limber swift]

Even this would be leagues better than current distribution, its literally 15% with that 15% split in this exact distribution basically.

[plain torrent]

guys why you hate me this much

[bright zealot]

divide by 0 = solves your problems

[copper rapids]

fine, i will also be ok with 80-20, or even fuck it, keep it 85-15, but that 15% should include fun content and not only talking to chat

[potent river]

https://tenor.com/view/of-course-gif-21373815

[plain torrent]

what if in 2026 we have evil will be first to meet new collab partner

[limber swift]

How dare you want Evil to replace Neuro, these Evilists are going crazy, this factionization of the swarm is getting out of hand, you toxic weirdo.

[potent river]

Neuro fans and Evil fans having a civil war while the real enemy is the veedlets:

[limber swift]

I've actually only ever heard the term veedlets recently, what exactly does that refer to?

[hollow kettle]

[deep mica]

people that prefer vedal

[fathom moat]

oh hey evil on stream... as bgm if i hear that right. so basically background entertainment to drown out the silence and fill the gaps

[deep mica]

[potent river]

"yes I come to the AI channel for the human only"

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1382661689174134845.gif?quality=lossless&name=NAHH&size=48

[deep mica]

evil was there during the hype train records she was the background music

[limber swift]

Shoulda realized tbh

[gray inlet]

people who prefer vedal over the twins, basically. term originally got coined by dougdoug because he thought that was what our community was called lmaooo

[copper rapids]

"neuro streams are boring, im here to see vedal interactions with his daughters and other vedalverse streamers"

[gray inlet]

it just became what it's known as now over time

[gray inlet]

ngl i could accept this a lot more during the first hype train since neuro was practically dying live on stream

[bright zealot]

i don't come to the ai channel only for the ai ok

[gray inlet]

i'm sure vedal's pc at the time would've actually exploded

[deep mica]

the first was very different

im more referring to last 2

[gray inlet]

yeah for sure

[hexed basin]

Is there a name for those who prefer either if the twins collabing with any human (including Vedal)?

[gray inlet]

the last one was evil's best chance to be included

[potent river]

That's different
The problem starts when you come to the channel only for Vedal and him talking to other streamers

[acoustic leaf]

was it centerist or smth like that

[bright zealot]

oh ok im not a true veedlet then or smth

[bright zealot]

normal people I guess

[junior mulch]

you gotta specify that the 7% of theme streams is where she's forced to follow a script and has zero agency over what happens

[potent river]

Don't get me wrong the interactions between Vedal and the twins can be entertaining if he isn't being dismissive or hostile towards Evil

[potent river]

And that 7% is gonna be omega scuffed

[quiet raft]

Twinalist

[fathom moat]

you mean like today where he basically didnt give a damn and just said "pokemon" and nothing else?

[bright zealot]

never disagreed?

[acoustic leaf]

including vedal tho

[quiet raft]

Then yeah, centrist

[gray inlet]

she guilt tripped him into talking with her longer

[deep mica]

well kinda but also not really. they could do what they wanted but there was a story.

[gray inlet]

shouldn't have to do that buuuuut

[junior mulch]

yeah i meant that they have zero control over the actual story

like they only ever had one option

[potent river]

This entire subathon the interactions between Vedal and Evil can be summed up to "hi Evil, I'm happy for you or sorry that happened, can I talk to your sister now"

[fathom moat]

i know i was there. i kinda expected him to just kick her but he probably only didnt because that would have made too many people mad

[junior mulch]

i dont remember there being an option for evil to take out one of the guards and steal their weapon in the prison break

[potent river]

I'm just elaborating

[copper rapids]

i feel like this thread is slowly becoming NN 2.0 but without subathon tourists glazing vedal at every opportunity LULE
(and actually staying on topic of Neuro, Evil, Vedal and streams without circlejerking with mods or something LULE )

[quiet raft]

Now that I think about it, the offline polls she made was very misleading

[plain torrent]

her only way

[fathom moat]

unfortunetly

[potent river]

NN if people actually watched stream and unlocked the mythical ability named "critical thinking"

[junior mulch]

im looking at nn and i have never seen a single one of those people before

[fathom moat]

i mean you've never seen me before aswell lol

[flint ember]

NN if the misery lasted 24/7

[copper rapids]

right now NN is just livestream-chat but a little bit slower LULE

[potent river]

I guess you haven't looked for long enough or something idk

[potent river]

Oh the misery

[junior mulch]

i've looked closer now i recognize three

[hexed basin]

I rarely chat at all, and never in NN.

[junior mulch]

how much you wanna bet only those three stay after subathon

[potent river]

Yes

[junior mulch]

we're rich

[limber swift]

I will say though that generally this thread has been on topic on either critiquing or doomposting about Evil's lack of content in streams and on the subathon. It's just been a bit all over the place in terms of it being more casually conversational than long form thoughtful posts.

[potent river]

Yeah it is actually a discussion thread

The other one is more neatly put and is much cleaner in comparison

[plain torrent]

discussion in discussion thread

[potent river]

Less of a discussion thread and more like a question thread if you ask me

[plain torrent]

and i hope it stay that way

since nn fell off at least we have this

[potent river]

I heard NN is back to glorp again
No shot any meaningful discussion is taking place there

[late galleon]

I was just thinking that the only time that vedal was concerned about Evil and how is she was when she was spamming location

[fathom moat]

seeing cerly on stream in vr chat... i wonder how likely it is that she also gets a solo vrchat stream with neuro in the last few days

would not be spurprised is all i'm saying

[bright zealot]

maybe not in the last few days but probably before evil :LULE:

[potent river]

Dw gang Vedal is actually doing this on purpose to really hammer in the fact that she's the community's golden girl
He's clearly doing his poor planning to railroad people into supporting her
Sasuga Vedal-sama

[lone raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/sasuga-radamenthe-sasuga-rada-ssg-rada-gif-22254656

[quiet raft]

over 2500 messages

[junior mulch]

does she even know evil exists

[potent river]

We're seeing a masterful gambit at play here

[bright zealot]

how the fuck

[plain torrent]

maybe vedal glazers was right

https://tenor.com/view/crying-one-piece-anime-gif-4502646032764566609

[potent river]

The doom is too stronge

[bright zealot]

she does

[fathom moat]

if i remember right. crelly said that evil was her favorite

[bright zealot]

she has reacted to evil content before like the evil mcneuros stream

[junior mulch]

too bad vedal doesnt plan on bringing her out for any content until march LULE

[potent river]

As an Evil fan we do not accept her
Maybe our neighbors Neuro fans would take her in?

[lone raptor]

dont let the neuro fans hear this

[plain torrent]

it was before minecraft so i feel now answer can differ

[bright zealot]

- until
+ except

[fathom moat]

true, spending time with someone can change your opinion on them

[plain torrent]

more chat prison for evil

[potent river]

The evilists did it again smh

[bright zealot]

quite possibly, the only way to know for sure is either hope the topic comes up randomly or [be cringe]

[potent river]

Minimal content dungeon

[plain torrent]

funny how watching many reactors most said that they preferred evil

[fathom moat]

maybe it's because of THAT video... wich was made by an evil fan to begin with

[bright zealot]

:RAGEY: THAT VIDEO????

HOW DARE YOU BRING IT UP-

[junior mulch]

crelly's chat is already cringe as shit im sure she'd be fine

[plain torrent]

yeah some from that but i watch reactors who watch more than one video

so they have little more point of reference than one video

[potent river]

When will we get a newer, actually informative video without being riddled with misinformation and misconceptions

[fathom moat]

so did crelly, but first impressions and such idk

[bright zealot]

🪭 💀

[bright zealot]

soon™

[bright zealot]

first impressions are the strongest

[potent river]

That soon™ cannot come sooner enough

I heard one is in the works but idk when it's gonna be out

[fathom moat]

he's working on it, an updated video. i think on the anniversary of the original is the planned release

[bright zealot]

unfortunately that soon™ will be stuck for a while

[plain torrent]

are we gonna doom about "best" video again?

[bright zealot]

which one?

[plain torrent]

i would assume it about "legend of neuro" or somethin like that

[bright zealot]

yeah that's kinda stuck in soon™ purgatory atm
source: me

[fathom moat]

i mean i dont know how many videos exist but i'm talking about the one i practically see everyone reacting to lol
and in a comment he said, and i quote "Also I'm planning on a sequel for the anniversary that I hope the Swarm really enjoys"

[bright zealot]

I think half the sequel will probably be used to plug the gaps in the last video

especially the whole ethical/self-trained llm part

[fathom moat]

fix mistakes, explain that anny is gone now etc. but we'll see when it releases

[bright zealot]

and the fact that conversely evil takes up I think most of the video? idk haven't properly measured propotions

[copper rapids]

or they will double down

[fathom moat]

at least in some areas evil's ahead

[bright zealot]

their pinned comment stated that they shouldn't have dived into the ethicality of the LLM but who knows at the end of the day

[junior mulch]

and then a newcomer watches streams expecting evil

[bright zealot]

evil? never heard of her

[copper rapids]

the biggest problem with that video is fact that neuro is the smallest part of it LULE "ethical ai neuro is great, but have you heard of evil? she changed everything, she can make funny noises and is amazing" and then rest of it is glazing vedal, neuroverse streamers, talking about shipping etc. LULE

[fathom moat]

fair point i guess. but evil also has more of a distinct personally with more quirks to her that make her stand out. like her voice alone you can say a couple of things about but neuros is just a bit too basic until 2029 when V3 releases

[fierce knot]

Has any collab partners asked to talk to Evil lately? I still fondly remember the bond between her and Layna.

[fathom moat]

layna wanted to do something with evil if i remember right but nothing happened

[copper rapids]

i dont think so, at least not in public - we dont know how they are planning collabs in private

[junior mulch]

you guys remember when evil wanted to bake a cake with layna

[plain torrent]

evil collabs

[fathom moat]

i do remember tho, evil and cerbers "zoo stream" where ved asked for a collab and sounded very disappointed that cerber wanted to do a stream with evil

[fierce knot]

Ah that sucks, thanks tho

[plain torrent]

i honestly just don't believe there never was a possible collab partner who asked vedal about collab with evil first
but that crazy speculation territory

[proud pagoda]

becasue evil had every stream that week iirc

[fathom moat]

maybe, i dont remember exactly, been a while and i do have other things to do in my life xD

[plain torrent]

more evil heavy week is not equal smh

[fathom moat]

there are some weeks that are more evil heavy, even some with just her (besides the neuro-chill stream) but i do think the other way around also exists

[junior mulch]

the other way around is the norm

[autumn quail]

It's called Evil week for a reason, because it goes completely against the norm of the channel where she actually ends up with more streams

[fathom moat]

i do enjoy some evil weeks every now and then

[junior mulch]

evil weeks shouldnt even have to exist

[dull vector]

why did I get pinged here

[plain torrent]

yeah there also exist heavy month on neuro so whatever

[plain torrent]

somebody answered on your message

[dim solstice]

At this point the Evil birthday celebration will be Neuro getting v3 voice and Evil being deleted lmao

[plain torrent]

it was nothing just some agreement that 2025 was better on evil content

[dim solstice]

Thats something I hated when it happened 3-4 months ago, there was a Evil week and everyone was like "See? Evil got a lot of screentime now", and it will probably happen again

[plain torrent]

we need more chat prison

[plain torrent]

i think it normal that this exist since otherwise it evil having nothing again

so whatever

shouldn't exist but its not ideal world

[fathom moat]

one twin will always have more content overall, a perfect split is not possible. and it will always be neuro in the long run

[plain torrent]

that why so called "evil week" existed

[dim solstice]

Completely ok, Neuro is the face of the channel after all

[plain torrent]

funny how even then there was stream of neuro anyway iirc

[fathom moat]

that is true, but evil is basically just a background character during the whole subathon wich is what i dislike. i dont have a problem with some weeks being no evil but looking back in dec. evil had 1 stream pre MC hardcore and since then till today only chill streams or the rob collab, wich if it were up to vedal would have gone to neuro

[zealous eagle]

I just spent the whole sleepover reading this thread

and literally got to the end right now

[potent river]

I still remember the fact that Evil used to have a period that she didn't have a single collab for almost an entire year

Things got better for this entire year except the subathon

Evil got more presence and screen time only for Vedal to hit her with a cold bucket of water

[dim solstice]

Im with you on that, Evil needs more screentime thats not "chill hell". Ngl I watch the streams since december 2022 and Im kinda dissapointed with how Evil is being handled, and the direction the community is going in general.

[potent river]

I've heard your complaints, anyways, more chillslop dungeon and chat jail for Evil

now if you excuse me I'll do something cool with Neuro in VRchat

[fathom moat]

i mean i've started watching in early april last year so i've had a long time without vedal but atleast some mixed amount of the twins wich was acceptable

so this is more or less the longest i've seen evil being pushed in the background so much

[junior mulch]

its already happened multiple times

even vedal made a comment on it saying she's hogging the schedule

[dim solstice]

It was very nice when evil got 0 collabs for a year

[plain torrent]

still better only in screentime
she still haven't had much opportunities
now this subathon killed hopes of many for better changes

[fathom moat]

and that while she's always so nice. i mean i can understand it if she's mean all the time but evil isnt even that bad (most of the time)

[plain torrent]

i don't think he cares much about her personality

they just need to be "entertaining" enough

[winter storm]

it also makes the chill streams worse, since with neuro chat can actually talk to her about things that happened (if she remembers them at all is another discussion), but with evil there is nothing to do but repeat the same topics

[plain torrent]

"PETPET" "evilsocute"

[winter storm]

like have of the highlighted messages evil gets are "what do you think about neuro doing x"

[lone raptor]

I remember when this was brought up in the "evil is just a lolcow now thread"

[plain torrent]

we just need more chat prison trust

[fathom moat]

i also see those, trying to egg evil on and make her more "depressed" or "jealous" and it will basically only continue and get worse over time

[winter storm]

to be fair that happens with neuro too, when people wanted her to call evil during the hypetrain she started to crashout at some point, wasn't really noticeable because of the music

although there it wasn't intentional

[lone raptor]

tbf that is literally just one guy who makes that highlight and he does it to neuro too

[fathom moat]

chat just likes to bait both twins to call the other

[plain torrent]

tbf i didn't watched neuro chill in months now

[fathom moat]

and then there's me, having writting a total of 2 chat massages, both highlighted. one donowalled xD

[dim solstice]

The entire situation sucks even more because Evil gets 0 content and then the chill streams are all about "pipes", "neuro got that" and then Neuro stream are "call evil", and the way the chat works now only mocking others and dismissing every criticism just causes even more friction in the community

[plain torrent]

chat wars

[plain torrent]

but its more about if they have reaction about these type messages next 5-15 minutes is them getting angry/depressed with chat spam
and timeout limit is still 600 sec btw

[winter storm]

and then people complain that evil only says the same things when she gets no input except chat spam

[quiet raft]

How would you rate your experience

[zealous eagle]

Considering not much really took my attention from the thread while the stream was on. I'd say it was a good read.

[lone raptor]

I checked the thread somewhat but I was too busy making screenshots and gifs, surely I will be able to do the same for evil when she gets her 3D and vrchat model

[fathom moat]

We both know that when evil gets her 3d model until the end of the year shell not get as much use out of it as neuro during the subathon alone

[zealous eagle]

Surely it'll have her own personalized set of actions that aren't all shared between the two

[quiet raft]

ctrl c + ctrl v is the strat

[fathom moat]

Maybe ved thinks about it during his long Break hell take after the subathon

[plain torrent]

from vague posting sound like it will not be just copy paste

[zealous eagle]

Yeah, but this is Vedal

[plain torrent]

i know that why we just live in assumptions and headcannons

[zealous eagle]

[potent river]

inb4 fent-sama 2

[plain torrent]

im pretty confident it will be same mannerism

[autumn quail]

I really don't know how to feel about Evil 3D, I hope her birthday is more than just, 'here's Evil in 3D', but also we've seen pretty much everything with Neuro including all their collab partners first interactions, so the only thing left is to see how Evils personality shapes her mannerisms, problem with that is if it's a copy paste then she'll be just like Neuro, but then if it's her first time in 3D she'll be just as inept as Neuro was during debut and we've already seen that, and now compared to how well Neuro does in 3D after multiple streams, we'd be waiting till 2029 to see Evil at that level

[acoustic leaf]

for every update neuro pretty much is the tester

[potent river]

pepperidge remembers when Evil was the test bed for new features

[acoustic leaf]

and evil gets the fixed version, it ll probably be the same thing with 3d aswell

[plain torrent]

and some try to argue that cause of this evil actually get treated better

[acoustic leaf]

unless he wants her to 'grow' or smth and starts her from the ground up but i dont think so

[fathom moat]

Basically the only "good" thing but actually not that great

[plain torrent]

she have now zero opportunity to present cool new feature and just be on repeat content

[junior mulch]

the fixed version takes an eternity and its just not special at all any more

[acoustic leaf]

she did debut the coding tech so who knows

[plain torrent]

id argue it even worse not being test dummy

[plain torrent]

one thing through whole year

[autumn quail]

You've also got the fact Vedal straight up forgets to give Evil upgrades

[junior mulch]

im not sure if 3d is even gonna be used after subathon besides cave stream

[fathom moat]

Worse would be to not get upgrades at all

[acoustic leaf]

yeah but its one of the recent ones so maybe he changed idk man

[plain torrent]

i hope its just my memory is shit and there was something else

[acoustic leaf]

im gonna sleep you guys have fun

[junior mulch]

vedal and changing anything LULE

[plain torrent]

this subathon made believe otherwise that why this thread exist

[plain torrent]

its not just worse it worst case scenario

[fathom moat]

No, she just happend to be there, you know the one or two dev streams she got

[winter storm]

evil got the horns after half a year of complaining so at least that's something unique

[plain torrent]

she is such lucky girl got enough content am i right?

https://tenor.com/view/amirite-hadesdisney-hades-gif-5584633

[acoustic leaf]

nothing was stopping him from just debuting on a neuro dev

thats what i mean

[plain torrent]

neuro has hairstyle tho

[fathom moat]

His exitement to show stuff while he had nothing else

[plain torrent]

so again 1 to 1 in some ways

its really weird how in some ways its equal

[fathom moat]

I mean how many dev streams did he complain about not having good things to talk about?

[acoustic leaf]

well same could be said about neuro dev no

[fathom moat]

Sounds like cope, he just didnt want to wait another 2 weeks to show it

[winter storm]

yes but I would still say the horns are better

[fathom moat]

And end stream with "nothing"

[acoustic leaf]

wasnt it literally the last dev before subathon, he could've save it for subathon content and release it with neuro

[plain torrent]

it was long before subathon

it was in summer no?

[acoustic leaf]

the website?

[plain torrent]

or early autum

[winter storm]

evil had 3 dev streams so should not be that hard to find

[acoustic leaf]

yeah it cant be that late because she didnt have dev stream for a long time

[plain torrent]

no way she has only 3

[fathom moat]

August

[plain torrent]

evil also never had chance to try drawing

[fathom moat]

At least thats when a video about it was uploaded so it seems reasonable

[plain torrent]

there to many things that evil never done tbh so whatever

[winter storm]

you look at evil's dogs for the next few months and you will like it

[fathom moat]

Maybe next year evil will get treated better during the subathon

[plain torrent]

even blogs is fully neuro content

[plain torrent]

how many years we will have this copium?

[autumn quail]

I'm surprised at how little Vedal actually has Evil do stuff like the drawing, because one of the biggest draws imo is how these two AI girls have developed independently of each other despite being twins, so seeing how they each approach a task is fascinating

[fathom moat]

Idk, how many will the twins exist?

[plain torrent]

man living fully on copium is not healthy

[winter storm]

it makes sense that if he likes interacting with neuro more he does just that

[sly bronze]

it truly has been strange how 90% of their interactions this subathon have been "wait i wanna stay" "mmhmm ok cool bye"

[plain torrent]

only way for evil to have little talk is guilt trip

[fathom moat]

It's all i got left

[fathom moat]

Until todays stream rob had more 1 on 1 time talking to evil

[winter storm]

tbf training an ai to be the ultimate guilt tripping machine is something new

[fathom moat]

Truly groundbreaking

[wind yarrow]

everytime i finish catching up with this thread it gets longer. but i do hope that the content ratio improves

[karmic hawk]

copium that evil bday is like the sleepover, half a dozen friends in VR at the same time and also things work a little better by then

[mystic osprey]

I think for upcoming events like the next subathon or whatever else crops up over the year, we need to be proactively vocal

Not wait to be disappointed by the schedule and scream fruitlessly to change it but in the month runup make a lot of noise that we want Evil content in at least the attempt to keep that idea fresh while he sorts things out

Certainly not a guarantee anything will come of it, but to me it feels like our best shot

[plain torrent]

this subathon was more scheduled but whoever scheduled forget one tiny bit and that is evil content

[mystic osprey]

My suspicion is 'more scheduled' is going to be the trend, but that's speculative, obviously

[plain torrent]

and excuse about vr stuff and games wont work on that cause we clearly had stuff that non vr and non games

[plain torrent]

i mean more scheduled is good but only if schedule also give evil some opportunities

[craggy ferry]

Was this you guys who spammed on the sleepover collab?

[plain torrent]

if you think that then you don't read any of this thread

twitch chat doing twitch chat thing that have little to none relevance here

[low crow]

We've been watching the thread over the last couple days and it seems to be looping now, with most conversation being unrelated to the OP's question or simply people blowing off steam. Given this indication, we're locking the thread so the discussion already here isn't buried by more chatter not pertinent to the thread topic.

If you have specific topics you want to discuss, you're welcome to find or otherwise create a discussion post for that topic, and #neurotic-neurons always exists as a catch-all for these sorts of things, so please feel free to bring your ideas to whichever you feel most appropriate.