Will vedal add new subgoals?

[viscid hearth]

It would be nice to have extra subgoals that can be fulfilled this year be added for the sub count that we've reached.

[tranquil echo]

300K US CRACKS COLLAB

[vague copper]

No, Vedal hates content, even a super obvious option like a new outfit is going to be from Camilla's pocket

[viscid hearth]

Yeah Camila's goal was something I'm aware of but i wanna know if he will add goals that he will do or initiate the project of

[tranquil echo]

ppl were saying he said he won't because he doesn't want ppl to donate more?

[viscid hearth]

I'm asking for the sub counts that we've reached, he won't add above 300k

[bronze ivy]

I would like SOMETHING. Literally ANYTHING.

[limpid prism]

I think even if there is to be something it won't be announced until after the subathon ends. Even then, it might not be tied directly to the subcount milestone. You don't want to set the expectation that donating more will create new subgoals, when you're trying to control how long the subathon goes.

[pseudo berry]

I think he also doesn't want people spending beyond their means, he's been very open about that. I'm pretty sure the 150k WAS the stretch goal so incentivizing more isn't what he'd be about.

Especially considering his current goals are probably all going to be time consuming, EPs for the twins, neuro book and blog. Evil outfit contest

[viscid hearth]

Ofc i know those goals take a lot of time but those goals are not his speciality the most he will do is supervise them I'm more thinking of a goal he will do himself like promising to integrate a certain amount of games this year or add new toggles for the twins to use

[ebon otter]

I hope he adds sub goals, right now the only goal added wasnt even from vedal which is kinda sad

[viscid hearth]

That's what I'm saying

[pseudo berry]

In projects there is a concept "Underpromise and overdeliver" I think anyone would obviously love for there to be more subgoals but I believe he set ones he himself can reasonably accomplish in a decent timeframe and they are things to look forward to. I don't believe he should promise things he can't provide in a good timeframe and I think he's done a good job of providing surprises without needing subgoals things like pokemon integration and neuro being in 3D weren't goals but things he did out of passion.

I'd rather he stick to what he's done and not be tied down in promises and subgoals, this gives him flexibility to still do things that are interesting that he wants to do and not have to be filling promises from this subathon all year.

Plus smashing these goals was not because of the community wanting more out of vedal or the channel, but out of appreciation for neuro evil and vedal, not because of oh if we break 300k he's gonna bring back amongus integration. I do think it's fine if people like camila or stuff wanna add their own incentives but I don't think it's fair to expect vedal to add more just because the subathon is a smashing success, especially if he didn't plan on it going too much longer/ wanting people to not overspend.

[viscid hearth]

the way this channel work sure is flexible but having a promise that he think he can achieve will serve as a motivation to improve neuro even more as an ai and content creator

also about smashing these goals, appreciation can go both ways. He can add more goals as he see fit and he's capable of.

And if he doesn't want people to overspent, he can't really control someone's whims and impulses to give subs and even if he'd rather not add subgoals for now in fear of people doing the hype train again he can just release the subgoals after subathon ends

[severe pecan]

he has said multiple times that there wont be more subgoals but people kept suggesting new ones in chat, i dont think he will add subgoals + i agree with Tide that making promises is bad, imo it deletes the purpose of a passion project

then he has to fulfil promises instead of doing what brings him joy

[viscid hearth]

making promises won't make it any less of a passion project, in fact it might make him more passionate about it and also i've said many times he can promise what he think he can achieve, we're talking about vedal here he won't promise things he can't achieve (cough cough v3) so i don't think wanting like a promise of a good amount of integrated games isn't farfetched

[severe pecan]

i get what you mean but things change maybe he will gain a passion for something and focus on that but has to stop because he made a promise sub goal and has to work on that exc.

but i do get what you mean

[warm jewel]

I am more curious about what subgoals he could add, because from what I heard he has problems adding any that doesn't feel underwhelming since they are above the EP and duet stuff

[ebon otter]

new sub emotes is a great sub goal

[severe pecan]

the animated shorts series was a cool one

[ebon otter]

those were from jokers own pocket though i think

[severe pecan]

yeah joker gifted one

but he said on stream when brainstorming for ideas that could be one of the goals

[viscid hearth]

that's the thing, he doesn't need to make a subgoal that takes his time much, just something to work on the side so he could still focus on what he want to focus. I also want a subgoal that vedal has to work on himself more too because most of the subgoal aren't something he does personally, only supervise

[severe pecan]

i also get where vedal comes from like 200k subs is a fuck ton of money putting appropriate goals for that is pretty hard

[ebon otter]

it can also be a new updated starting soon screen

[severe pecan]

new emotes seems cool but not 200k sub cool, he wants to put goals that match the insanity of the subs and that probably overwhelms the idea

[deep hollow]

This would be really cool, actually

[viscid hearth]

like some people doesn't even want him to put goals but for me personally he could just add something mediocre and it would still be better than having none

[ebon otter]

hopes evil and neuro get both a unique one

[severe pecan]

i do think adding something small rather than nothing is better but i bet there will be people complaining that its not worth it or smth stupid

[deep hollow]

i think that would be something easy to do for both twins that's pretty hands off for him outside of commissioning someone

[severe pecan]

but then there will always be people complaining whatever decision he makes so doing something rather than nothing feels better

[viscid hearth]

that's why we have this discussion here, even if 1 is a small number it's still infinitely bigger than 0 so people that say they're not worth it would still appreciate having more of something

[viscid hearth]

well we can't stop complainers but at least he can cater to what the goal will cater to

[deep hollow]

the positivity around new stuff being added would be better

at least in my opinion

[severe pecan]

same

[deep hollow]

i dont think there's a ton that you can get that's bigger than releasing what's essentially an album for the twins anyways

that wouldn't cut into his time

so smaller things would be prefereable

[viscid hearth]

and those big goals only need vedal's supervision anyways he would still be pretty hands off

[severe pecan]

yeah i think he wants to top that and thats throwing him off

[viscid hearth]

[viscid hearth]

he shouldn't be pressured to do it if he still doesn't have the capability to do that

[deep hollow]

yeah he could probably continue to work on stuff while keeping an eye on those goals

[ebon otter]

yeah thats why i dont need crazy goals and just something for community to enjoy or something silly is enough to me even though numbers would be weird i still think that the ep's for each are well worth the 300k subs.

[viscid hearth]

true

[severe pecan]

yeah but like people gifted 300k subs not feeling pressured seems impossible

[viscid hearth]

he could just rearrange the goals too and add something to the gaps

[ebon otter]

or dont and confuse all the people that dont know and look at it

[viscid hearth]

true, but at least he know we aren't pressuring him to do anything he can't do

[severe pecan]

even though majority of people would be cool about more goals even if its simple

[viscid hearth]

the only one i know wouldn't be cool with it are boss and hjalnir

[severe pecan]

we shall wait and see ig

[viscid hearth]

yeah, hopefully he sees this and feel less pressured to do big goals

[reef nexus]

You can see that the Swarm don't need to design goals at all, and they don't need to agitate to rush forward. Maybe there will be another sub-rush in last hour, and there is no need to design any goals.

[viscid hearth]

what even is the purpose for this comment

[ebon otter]

This has nothing to do with this thread?

[reef nexus]

Erm,I mean there is no need to add new goals.

[viscid hearth]

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