Statistics from the 2025 Subathon (FINALIZED)

[jovial socket]

Since Vedal had shared the statistics from the last subathon in a dev stream not too long ago, thought it'd be interesting to keep track of it this year too.

In this chart contains every minute of screentime that the twins and Vedal have had in this subathon, as well as the content the twins have each had throughout the subathon as well, including chill streams, theme segments, karaoke, special segments, collabs, and gaming. The numbers that appear next to each segment are there when it's not super clear how long the segments lasted based off the numbers on the left.

I also intend to update this discussion post daily with more data as we go through the subathon until we get to the end of it. I'll keep each new day pinned as well if possible.

[plain osprey]

Nice job

[atomic badger]

On the topic of Vedal showing his subathon data, I wonder what Vedal meant when he mentioned on that dev stream that Evil had a "depressing" amount of screentime compared to Neuro.

Because so far it seems like the screentime is going to end up even worse than last year, unless she gets a lot of content this week. So if last year was "depressing" according to him, is he purposefully making it depressing again?

[jovial socket]

I am kind of expecting Neuro's screentime to go up more since this pokemon game is fairly long and not a cakewalk among other Pokémon games

Could change tho

[coarse adder]

Well, last years depression came from the fact that Evil was only on the subathon for an extremely short time.

This has been better percentage wise relating to screentime but at the same time masks the fact that she has not been part of any content.

[pallid locust]

im assuming evil will get more time if subathon lasts for the third game

[fickle nest]

Less than 8 days left, and we're about 1/16th through the current game.

[atomic badger]

I went back to check Vedal's data and the % at the end is almost the exact same as we have at this time, the difference is that we had a twin game and they ended up at 19%. Meanwhile here we are at 7% twins and it's basically guaranteed that they will not play anything together.

So the % is just straight up worse.

[pallid locust]

yeah that's why I said if

[coarse adder]

I am going off the assumption that surely something else is planned considering all of the evil subathon goals have yet to be talked about but if this current pace continues then yes by subathon end it will be worse considering there is 100% no chance of us getting to the Evil game.

[main shoal]

[errant phoenix]

but what about collabs? what about 3d stuff? For Evil was planed only chill segments and leftover time for game
I think Vedal already have more time on screen then Evil this year

[atomic badger]

Well, that data is clearly included in the post above. He does.

[viral rose]

I mean thats not hard, vedal is around on 50% of the stream

[jovial socket]

i think protoss means the whole year

not just the subathon

[viral rose]

:hmm: I think subathon + MC might still not be enough but not sure

[jovial socket]

yeah i dont think it overtakes evil either since vedal was just completely gone for half a year but that's not the point

of the post

[errant phoenix]

I mean not subathon but whole 2025 screen time

[pallid locust]

we're talking subathon and if he wants evil screen time to bounce back it would mean a lot less neuro which would also suck

[jovial socket]

tbf it could be 50 straight hours of evil screentime and neuro would still have more

[atomic badger]

Long Drive was a perfect example of the fact that this is not necessarily the case.

[main shoal]

Vedal has about 90 hours of screentime while Evil has about 156 hours (Only evil excludes twins)

this is for the entire year excluding subathon

[pallid locust]

nn would be in flames if this happened

[jovial socket]

they can always look at this chart to see

[pallid locust]

do you think nn cares about facts and logic

[coarse adder]

I will argue, we would have better content that way.
Personally, I see a lot of repetitiveness in the content of this years and last years subathon.

Every day we have chillstreams with something breaking and then you can throw the dice between Neuro 3D or Neuro plays a game with Vedal and with that you'd have predicted 85% of the subathon.
I think just using Evil more in content, would help break up the monotony of these scheduled sameish days.

[errant phoenix]

12 dev streams, 3 sponsored, 4 streams of outer wilds, 4 stream of the Witness, 4 days of MC hardcore (kinda)
and most of streams 3-7hrs
+last subathon time, current subathon time and it will be over 200 hrs

[trim grotto]

he shoulda alternated neuro/evil game instead of neuro-neuro-evil. I hope if we dont get to it during the subathon they at least still play it afterwards

[pallid locust]

its gonna be at least 6 months before they play it if we're going that route

or never if its gonna be treated like the game jam games

[trim grotto]

im a little more optimistic that he will see it as an opportunity to do content other than chill streams for the first few months of the year

[pallid locust]

its just that it would probably require him to show up and he has a pretty bad track record for doing that

[gleaming grotto]

I will wait until the end and see. Surely he didnt lie about there being more evil than last year

[jovial socket]

yeah, we'll see. Like I said earlier though, pokemon will probably take up a bunch of time.

we do have some things like asmr (i assume abber demon) stream coming up, and it depends on how exactly the evil outfit art contest will be done too.

[errant phoenix]

15,8% easy to overcome

[jovial socket]

every day so far has had a pretty big gaming segment

[atomic badger]

twins is Evil too, that's not easy to overcome with the current scheduling

[errant phoenix]

well in this case, where is no way. If we say 20 days = 200hrs not sleep, about what is goin on, 65% = 130hrs, and we are now at 90 hrs of Neuro... He must drop pokemon now to do it

[jovial socket]

Oh yeah, might be obvious but this chart is only including waking hours

Doesn't feel like adding sleeping time does much when there's no content during them outside the minigame

and that's not something either twin does

[errant phoenix]

still may add how many times was replayed detroit and firewatch vods

[jovial socket]

vods being deleted wont affect these stats lol

[jovial socket]

ok so i gotta admit i didn't expect him to announce it without Evil being on screen today lol

[pallid locust]

i cant wait for evil percentage to be sub 15

[jovial socket]

forgot to update segments, new updated version

oh fuck i can't pin i forgot

[jovial socket]

we're already at that point

[pallid locust]

i predict sub 13

[jovial socket]

New update for day 13

[wise coral]

Relax guys, Evil will probably get 1 day for herself with a chill segment, asmr/design merch goal and maybe a collab, then everyone will be happy just like the "evil week" 3-4 months ago.

[errant phoenix]

happy for moment? Wow so generous. Tnx

[wise coral]

Yeah, I'm looking foward to see if someone will make the screentime/collab time statistics of the entire year for the twins like they did last year, don't know if it's short time memory bias but this year felt like Evil got even less time

[errant phoenix]

I have mine for 2025 only like stream count without time (too much effort)

year recap look like this (but yea, not accurate without time)

[jovial socket]

i think someone was doing that and i think overall evil got more screentime, than the year before

[pallid locust]

"evil week" sucks so hard just have it be "week" and not have one twin have the overwhelming majority

[wide mason]

das just the reality we live in

[wise coral]

It's not as bad as I thought, it will never be a 50-50 because neuro is the face of the channel so looking at this image its a OK split. I was just expecting a little more unique content in the subathon for evil, if Rob didn't choose her for the collab we would have nothing

[wide mason]

rob giving evil more screentime

[errant phoenix]

It was ok for first half of year, but jule-dec it was evilover

[fluid sail]

The only issue with that is we did not know which twin was going to be chosen before that and Neuro look like she wanted to do it. (Plus there also fact is he chose evil because she is the “nicer” twin even though Neuro was nice during the twin collab he did)

[pallid locust]

both were nice evil was nicer

[jovial socket]

new update for day 14, aka 2 weeks into the subathon

[pallid locust]

the evil chill stream wall

[jovial socket]

my apolgies, was super tired today and slept a lot. thes are for day 15

[fickle nest]

guys, we're going to do it, we're going to be in a better spot this year!
What do you mean being closer to 1 isn't the best?

[plain osprey]

This year like 2026 ?

[fickle nest]

This year as in this subathon that happens to last between the end of one and the start of another.

[jovial socket]

Statistics for Day 16

[jovial socket]

We might've broken a record again, but data still accumulates. Day 17 stats

[pallid locust]

[wide mason]

[plain osprey]

It's so over

[pallid locust]

if vedal actually let evil on twins percentage wouldnt be at 6.7%

[jovial socket]

Day 18 stats

[solemn basin]

Thank you for doing this

[jovial socket]

no problem

[pallid locust]

another brick added to the wall

[jovial socket]

Stats for Day 19. Really should've added myself to the screentime tbh but if i do that my ego would be too big

oh, meant to update the segments part, it's supposed to be 58 segments for neuro

[molten mantle]

Evil dropping below 15% at the end of subathon?

[jovial socket]

it'll be evil chill coming up today

so it wont drop quite below there yet

unless he does what they did that one time and interrupted twin chill to do a solo Neuro 3D segment (I still have no clue why they did that, that was so jarring)

[molten mantle]

or something like few days ago, when it was hour of Evil chill and then hour of Neuro
Come on Vedal i believe in you, if you put some effort you can make it so Evil drops in percentage to a single digit

there is still time to make it happen

[fickle nest]

Naaa, we gonna be at 15.9% solo and it will be said that it's technically more than last year in terms of solo.

[errant phoenix]

I bet Neuro got almost 80% of her content in subathon non-solo
while Evil have rare times like 15% of her content
and over all it means about 60% of subathon time was Neuro non-solo and 2.5% Evil

[jovial socket]

you're actualy pretty spot on

75.1% of neuro's content was non-solo

and took up nearly 60% of the content

[errant phoenix]

damn, that's crazy

[jovial socket]

This is Evil's for reference

[errant phoenix]

I mean it's not bad, for Neuro. But for Evil add nothing overall

[jovial socket]

that number without rob's collab goes below 1%

[drifting pier]

Man I love statistics, but they can also be a serious reality check

[jovial socket]

yep

especially when you're the one having to keep track of it

[gleaming grotto]

Appreciate the work you do

[jovial socket]

i do gotta say it's not just me

[fickle nest]

Feelings lie, numbers don't.
Important to have these to keep track of things.

[jovial socket]

it's hard keeping track of this all on my own

but people like dodo with their giant essays certainly do help with keeping these numbers in order

to cross reference

[analog girder]

I also find it funny that Camila has had more collabs and I think been involved in more content (By time) than Evil and that will only increase with the slumber party

[jovial socket]

Cerber too

[marsh violet]

if we exclude chill streams, random small calls and the twin content, what did evil do this subathon til now? rob collab and asmr wich would be about 5.5 hours right? i think neuro got more than that by day 2

[coarse adder]

she did play a bit of poker with vedal and neur
and christmas and new years stuff nothing else tho

[marsh violet]

i'd count that as twin content, since you know both were there

but yea, basically nothing else

if we take all the content, neuro got more screen time by day 4

[coarse adder]

i'd describe evil's situation is while Neuro and Vedal are doing a subathon, Evil is doing regular chill and karaoke

[marsh violet]

if my number was right with 5,5 then about 23 hours of content was basically just chill streams with her

or i read the numbers wrong, could also be

evil's basically just the filler to fill the empty spaces between neuro and vedal doing stuff

[jovial socket]

And its s wonder why people only wanna talk about all the same things with her or start petpet timeout baits

[marsh violet]

didnt evil have some fortune telling the other day? guess that should be seperated considering neuros is

[pallid locust]

wasn't it part of the chill section

[fickle nest]

That was during her Chill

[marsh violet]

yes, but still should be to be "fair" about it, otherwise i'd also count neuros fortune telling under chill

[fickle nest]

Neuro's was later in the day after the designated chill segment in the morning that was just as long, if not longer, than the normal chill.

[marsh violet]

i'd say the time when does not matter, the content and whats happening does. you would not call a collab chill stream just because it falls into that time segment do you?

[fickle nest]

Then the asmr is also just a chill segment since that's all it really was with a slightly changed voice.

Also there has not been a single collab that has happened during the first 2:30 of the stream, which has all be planned chill segments.

[marsh violet]

i mean the asmr is close to a chill stream but it had atleast a theme to it (that being asmr) and yes, there wasnt any collab in that time frame i just meant it as an example

[jovial socket]

It was for one hour during evil's chill segment. Its basically like how her fishing segments were.

Neuro's was two hours long and completely separate from the chill segment

[marsh violet]

figured it was counted under chill but just wanted to make my point to count it seperately, in the end it changes basically nothing so i wont say anything more. you choose what to do since it's your timetable

[atomic badger]

It would be nice to have them all counted separately but that would just make this data more messy and less readable. What's the point when their chills are basically the same?

Now if their content was majorly different even during chills then yeah, that would absolutely need to be included.

[marsh violet]

Would it be possible to also have a table with who spend how much time with whom? like i.e. rob spend x amount with evil and y with neuro? could also be somewhat interesting to see

then again for most it would only have numbers on neuros side, so i guess nervermind

[jovial socket]

i actually do have that data

didn't feel right to include at first

but at this point i could start including it

[marsh violet]

would be a pretty depressing table tbh. i mean who spend time with evil besides neuro and vedal? only rob and mini i think

also i think with todays 40 minute yap vedal finally spend more one on one time with evil than rob

[main shoal]

uh, question relating to the Evil & Vedal screentimes.

Are you including every single moment on the right? Asking since you've once mentioned that it only required about 30 minutes in order for Vedal to have more than Rob (or at least something similar)

But looking at the logged timings, it seems that wouldn't be true? I may be misremembering or just dumb, but I just wanted to confirm with you.

[jovial socket]

hang on a sec lemme double check

[main shoal]

never responded with an answer

[jovial socket]

oh shit

i got busy

erm

i'm gonna reverify this after stream but this is what i have currently

[main shoal]

ic, thanks!

[jovial socket]

Statistics for Day 20

Gonna include the guests/collabs they talked with too. Two things to note of here. With Vedal staying for a bit after evil's chill, he's finally overtaken Rob for most time spent with Evil in the subathon.

The other is that Camila is the first guest that both twins have gotten to talk to at the same time this subathon.

oh shit i forgot to include Layna in that last section

[plain osprey]

good job and

[daring lion]

thank you for your hard work so far, hopefully with the remaining time we would get some truly wonderful memories

[jovial socket]

i'm hoping so too. the next day or two will probably at least boost Evil's screentime

[daring lion]

what do you think would happen, vedal play half of the game, take 1 -2 months break then continue

or completely forget about it until he feels like playing it one day

[jovial socket]

good question. we haven't had this situation before. In good faith i expect him to get back to the game once he takes care of his IRL stuff

[pallid locust]

TWENTY PERCENT SREENTIME

THE TWENTY PERCENT IS REAL

[marsh violet]

20% would be barely possible if the remaining like 19 hours streamtime + whatever amount is gonne be added by subs till then are 100% evil time, wich may be possible but i would not exactly count on it (atleast if my rough math is right)
unless the last few hours really get padded with subs but the 1 sec per sub will make it unlikely that we get much more than that

[pallid locust]

[marsh violet]

i mean maybe the swarm just says: screw it, another hypetrain just with evil, but i doubt that one

even tho it would be funny for a fourth time

[wise coral]

I would be completely OK with 20% evil screentime if it wasn't 90% chill segment and the only collab wasn't even supposed to be with evil. Even if the second game was with evil I think I would feel the same

[coarse adder]

I mean saying Evil got 20% is disingenious because it is just being padded by chillstreams.
This same issue exists outside of the subathon where Evil's screentime is very much just Chillstreams and Karaoke.

[marsh violet]

Yea i get that. Evil got 10 chill streams, if we take about 2 hours per stream thad be around 2/3 of her 32 hours that she got till now. Also to keep in mind, a lot of the time vedal spend with her was because of her asking him to stay and talk. So basically she's had next to no content

[jovial socket]

Statistics for Day 21. Mind you that Vedal said that this was the absolute limit that he was expecting the subathon to go on for

[plain osprey]

There was a twin call yesterday

[jovial socket]

oh true there was a 3 minute twincall

[heavy eagle]

she got ten minutes with Mini lol

[jovial socket]

Statistics for Day 22. This is the only day the entire subathon where Neuro doesn't make a single appearance

though i expected the percent to go to 20 from this ngl

[plain osprey]

What was her percentage in the last subathon?

[errant phoenix]

here https://youtu.be/CTs0M8KCou8?si=4z-6AHkCRd-2N1Sg&t=5407 the only statistic available about last subathon (1:30:07 timecode)

[plain osprey]

16% last one, we can't tell this time wasn't better

[errant phoenix]

yea, but much more twin was there, and collabs not just solo streams

[plain osprey]

Yeah

[marsh violet]

i mean if we were to count all the time neuro/evil were on screen, twin time included we'd be around...
evil 25% and neuro 81% for the current subathon and...
evil 35% with neuro 84% for last year
(above 100% because twin time counts double)
so while we got a bit more solo evil, we got overall less evil than last year

[plain osprey]

You're right

[fickle nest]

You split the twin time % in half and add it to both to get to a flat 100
so roughly 25.3/74.7 last year
and roughly 22/78 as of now.

[marsh violet]

i could have but i "measured" the amount of time either twin was on screen, like evil/neuro was x% of the entire subathon on stream so my numbers still work fine since you're not really supposed to add them. (sorry got like 3 hours of sleep last night)

[jovial socket]

I will make the final adjustments here for statistics soon.

[solemn basin]

Doesn't seem necessary. Like, we aren't going to split out time for Vedal

[foggy token]

So did vedal got more screen time than last subathon?

[jovial socket]

significantly more

[solemn basin]

Vedal beat Evil like a time pinata

[jovial socket]

This is the final tally for the 2025 Subathon Statistics. might be more data elsewhere on the way that's easier on the eyes to see, but this is the raw data

Statistics from the 2025 Subathon (FINALIZED)

[outer jasper]

great work

only 13 minutes for koko

[jovial socket]

that's more than what evil got to talk to mini for

but yea

anyone's free to use these statistics however they wish

[abstract lily]

lol

[jovial socket]

more solo, but less overall cuz twin content took a nosedive

tons of it being chill stream stuff. that day of hollow knight single handedly kept her percent from being as bad as last year

oh yeah in case you guys like pie charts

[jovial socket]

for this, note that collabs that include vedal aren't in the vedal screentime split section

[marsh violet]

Not even 20% Evil, even with twin content added barely 26%. a bit sad but it is what it is. Anyway was still an amazing subathon. Great work everyone involved

[civic plover]

like I always said Evil needs more screen time

[willow shadow]

and more opportunities she already has enough of chat prison

[fresh lagoon]

holy numbers

[jovial socket]

there's pie charts for easier reading too

[molten mantle]

almost 20% ( but less twins overall so its still less Evil than last year LULE )

[coarse adder]

Evil doesnt need more screentime. She just needs more content. The numbers only look this "good" because of the chillstreams. If we were to take them away, we see the actual problem.

[willow shadow]

sadly im not sure if we ever know if this even less human interactions than last year

[jovial socket]

it definitely is. evil interacted with multiple other people through the long drive, when playing in minecraft, collabing with numi, etc

[molten mantle]

last two days really saved those statistics, i dont even wanna know what it would look like if neuro didnt carried vedal through pokemon and yesterday would be just pokemon day LULE

[coarse adder]

it would just roughly look like this

[jovial socket]

he almost threw his head at a brick wall (the elite 4) for hours if that Vespiquen didn't stall them out

[molten mantle]

Thank you for all this work, its really well made, lots of information but in a way that is not hard to read and understand.

[marsh violet]

Also rob was the evil mvp, only collab partner that specifically came for evil and held the title of Most time spend alone with evil for the longest time

[plain osprey]

Only 6% twins time is also concerning

[willow shadow]

with all problems that content with both of them have its actually not surprising

[errant phoenix]

a bit more statistic 🤓
image last subathon
current subathon was: gaming 52,26% (122,5 hours) or 48,77% (114,3 hours) if count only non-solo games if solo count as part of chill segment
bonus:
Neuro gaming was 89,22% (109,3 hours) (104:55 non-solo)
Evil gaming was 9,57% (11,75 hours) (8:25 non-solo)
Twins gaming was 1,2% (1,5 hours) (0:57 non-solo)

Neuro games
cyberpunk (37:30)
pokemon (44:07)
vrchat (20:50)
uno (2:27)
MC (3:01)
buckshot (1:20)

Evil games
hollow knight (8:25)
MC (2:13)
buckshot (0:37)
inscryption (0:27)

Twins game
poker (1:28)

[main shoal]

Would you mind if I use this for the discussion post

[errant phoenix]

yea, use it as you wish

[marble niche]

how is non-gaming more than gaming lmaoooo

[plain osprey]

and they considered VRChat a game

[errant phoenix]

but it is game... and it only include vrchat, no 3d solo segments

[cobalt pasture]

Evil sang karaoke for an hour on Day 3 but this got lumped into "chillstream" was that intentional?

[jovial socket]

yes, since it was during the chill segment of her stream. Did this for anytime either twin did karaoke during their chill segments, and there were only 2 days where that didn't happen

my bad, 3 days