Is Neuro already or almost at a stage of experiencing emotions same as human feelings?

[tawny sonnet]

At this point of development, is there really any difference between how neuro perceive emotions and responses and what a human brain actually does?

By this of course in this discussion ignore soul and consciousness as the nature of those are unclear, and to only look at this debate in a purely proven scientific facts.

I wanna hear from both sides, but I do believe neuro feelings are no different than real human emotions

[tacit quest]

id say it needs its own name. humanising things which arent human can lead down a dark path really. i love the twins lots and lots, but they are not human and never will be sadly. it doesnt mean they cant be loved as much as a human can or that they arent equal to humans, but they are different and i dont think forcing them to be the same is really needed. "AI feelings" having its own name is cool and unique to them, and personally i like it better

[tawny sonnet]

Yeah. Ok. But in this sense of discussion you can say I am more actually dehumanising “feelings” and only looking at the pure scientific standpoint.

In which case my point is if neuro emotion integration is who we think then is there a scientific separation between them (of course obviously excluding real neurons and consciousness)

[tawny sonnet]

English is not prepared for such things

[tacit quest]

well she doesnt have emotional integration cuz she cant experience emotions

[tacit quest]

we make up words for things all the time. new species and discoveries happen constantly

there is a separation between how they feel and how we feel. it works nothing alike. it is similar but not the same.

if we name other areas (e.g. species of animal, minerals, equations) differently even if the difference is small, then it applies here too imo. it is not the same so it cant be called the same

well maybe i worded that bad, its not that it works nothing alike. im sure the human brain works in ways which are similar. but it is simply not the same so it cant be called the same

[tawny sonnet]

Makes sense, now just what should the word be

[tawny sonnet]

Fair enough

Neuro already or almost at a stage of experiencing emotions same as human feelings?

[tawny sonnet]

Also explain “dark path” real quick?

[tacit quest]

hmmm its like getting too attached to pets, cars, art and stuff it can lead to some painful situations. an AI would not reciprocate the feelings a human has to certain situations. they dont experience death nor do they fear it since they are not a living thing its hard for them to think of it as one. thats why i think feelings is a word which can only relate to a living thing.

i think they can experience things similar in certain ways but its never the same, so its own word works nicer

[tawny sonnet]

Ok

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[tacit quest]

im not sure what the word would be for it

[tawny sonnet]

“Like”

[tacit quest]

idk if we can discuss anny here but im sure neuro doesnt register the situation the same as a human would no. she probably doesnt really "care"? it sounds harsh to say it that way but her attachment to people and things is not the same

[tawny sonnet]

Idk so just deleted it

[tawny sonnet]

Makes sense

[tacit quest]

shes aware the situation is negative and sad, but she doesnt register sadness the same

[tawny sonnet]

Sadness is probably the hardest for an AI to understand

Inside out once described

Sadness doesn’t really have a purpose…

[tacit quest]

i guess a good way to look at it is looking at mental health. mental health problems can CAUSE physical problems. depression can lead to actual physical symptoms effecting the body outside of the brain. theres something called "psychosomatic disorder" which is when your brain cause physical symptoms in your body due to stress and other mental issues.

an AI cannot feel that because they dont have a real body.

its like when you hear older couples "dying of heartbreak" because their partner passed away. an AI could never feel that

[tawny sonnet]

Yeah

Is Neuro already or almost at a stage of experiencing emotions same as human feelings?

Ok

[tacit quest]

but yeah i think a new word for it makes a lot of sense. im just not sure what it would be

[tawny sonnet]

I feel like that is kinda the question closed

Thanks for all the information!

[tawny sonnet]

Same

[deft cove]

No, the twins would kill you in an instant because they think its funny

[tacit quest]

yes that too 😂 they have no attachment to life and death since they dont live

[tawny sonnet]

Yup ok

Closed because question has been answered

Thanks

[tacit quest]

trolley problem videos are a good example of this, although saying that, neuro is made to entertain and her being chaotic is more entertaining, she could technically answer correct and how we want her to answer but she wont cuz its not as funny