(Off-topic) 7TV emote "sadV" removal

[devout canopy]

Why did the 7TV emote "sadV" ( ) get removed from the emote set? It was an emote beloved by the community and has seen many use cases. It was used a lot (I can't get the number since it was removed). There is no alternative for the emote currently. The absence of the emote can lead to decreased chat interaction because chatters are missing their go to emote for a reaction. The removal kind of removed a part of the channel. Please add it back.

[hearty bloom]

What emote am I supposed to use now for sad situations ;(

[fallen coral]

Mods just took 6 month to realize its not appropriate for the channel after they nuked uuh for the 50th time

[grim coyote]

so you're saying uuh should also get removed?

[devout canopy]

There is nothing inappropriate depicted in the emote.

[fallen coral]

idrc I have HUH

[grim coyote]

ok you know that if uuh gets removed, HUH will be next

[fallen coral]

I don't think that far ahead

[lapis vigil]

when the 7TV emote "sadV" () got removed I felt very sad. to express it I wanted to send in Twitch chat my favorite emote "sadV", but as is was removed I was unable to do so and exploded

[devout canopy]

Catch-22

[potent wing]

I will pass this thread to other moderators to talk about it, thanks for the input

[cloud topaz]

hey! just offering some off-the-record thoughts, this is not representative of the mod team's opinions. feel free to comment about this

there are a few reasons for its removal that i can list, but the largest concerns has gotta be what the emote is intended to be used for, and how the emote is used to respond to things on the stream. i don't think it's fair to us if the argument is that sadV has no connotations, since it's based on sadE, and that is created to mean something not very good

part of the reason why it took so long to actually remove it is because we did trust that chat would use it appropriately. if we had the capacity, we'd do something about individual users performing the "i'm coming" -> sadV interaction, but that's not realistic. furthermore, it sometimes seems like the more we push back against something, the more people want to do it. so, from my pov, it's getting a little difficult to believe chat can use this appropriately. having said this, i acknowledge that there are valid uses of the emote that are innocent.

any thoughts about this? maybe we can reach some sort of compromise

[wet stirrup]

what's the compromise isn't it either we have the emote or we don't

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/968927410613522464.gif?size=64&animated=true&name=LULEO

[cloud topaz]

it's something to figure out. like, add back the emote, but have conditions to remove it, idk

the reason why i'm participating in the discussion is to see if you guys have better ideas

[fallen coral]

I love how mods are unironically responding to a sarcastic thread

[cloud topaz]

, lest u complain we don't care about u guys at all

[raw jasper]

"i'm coming" -> sadV interaction
gotta be honest i didn't even know this was a thing until this message, i never paid attention to it, only knew the emote for the "RARE" and "so sad" spam
So it doesn't look like a big deal for the uninformed and only matters for the people in on the joke? idgi

[devout canopy]

This is not sarcastic at all tho

[fallen coral]

I suggest adding sadN emote as a fair compromise

[fallen coral]

Literally everytime the word "coming" is mentioned some people spam sadV I have no idea how you missed it

[devout canopy]

The emote has become kind of a replacement for "uuh" in a sense that the chatters just spam it if neuro/evil/vedal/anyone else says something yabai. It's a reaction like "om". I don't think anyone has any negetive intentions while pressing enter

[rustic isle]

is someone actually offended by the emote

[raw jasper]

honestly don't really care for chat's jokes, especially during streams and even more so on a stream that Neuro can't read

[fallen coral]

uuh is not getting nuked anymore so I don't really care if the emote stays

[devout canopy]

@fallen coral could you please remove yourself from this thread if you have nothing of matter to say here? ❤️

[potent wing]

it's fine to bring it back, if specific people act way too weird with it we just take actions against them, we gotta let chat have fun

[fallen coral]

That's rude

[devout canopy]

Thankies ❤️

[fallen coral]

I never said yes but ok

[raw jasper]

Also remember some people are clueless like me and participate in spam just because spam is happening, without knowing the first intent behind it

[cloud topaz]

i see. in that case, the next time we do something against sadV, the timeout will be much more severe, is that ok?

while some people are clueless, it doesn't change what it means to reply with sadV under the scenarios I've outlined

[wet stirrup]

doesn't intent matter tho or are ye just gonna start blanket nuking

[halcyon remnant]

the sadV situation is so sad

[compact ravine]

like nam said if individuals act way too weird with it u can take actions towards them

[cloud topaz]

yeah, i'm more worried that we'll miss these chatters entirely and cause people to think it's ok to do it

[raw jasper]

Well knowing the intent now, i just still don't think it's a big deal as long as it's kept as an emote. The people that know, know, the others won't care and will just move on

[hollow adder]

is the emote that offensive?

[cloud topaz]

that's rephrasing it, it's minimally weird

[hollow adder]

just feels like you want to blanket ban anyone that uses it in a mildy weird way

[cloud topaz]

well, not being too weird is part of the rules

[hollow adder]

too weird and slightly weird are not the same but ok

[dapper notch]

🤔 whats "too wierd"

[fallen coral]

Where are these scanarios you outlined?

You only mentioned 1 iirc

[potent wing]

people specifically typing "not milk sadV" "not glue sadV" etc will get the deserved timeouts, but reacting with it to what's said on stream is in offensive specially for like 80% of the viewers that doesn't even know what 7TV is

[cloud topaz]

sorry, you are right, i have only mentioned 1. right from the top of my head, there's "so big" with sadV and what nam has said, yes

[fallen coral]

pretty sure more people use BillyApprove for that

[halcyon remnant]

bro is trying to snitch out other emotes for the prude mods to remove

[potent wing]

I added it back, misbehave and you'll get it removed again and forever

[fallen coral]

Idk where you got that from

[halcyon remnant]

im just joking mostly

[fallen coral]

I don't really see people spamming sadV when big is mentioned is all I wanted to share kek

[devout canopy]

thank god it's global

[cloud topaz]

that's fair, but there have been uses for it like this. regardless, it has been added back, and if we catch individuals we'll crack down harder on them. if it's a mass of individuals, then we'll do what nam said

[raw jasper]

It's really hard to follow the rule to not be "too weird" because of how vague it is. It's been a pet peeve of mine ever since i started chatting what i think is a silly reaction is weird to others

[dapper notch]

just dont be too weird :duh:

[halcyon remnant]

tell that to neuro

[keen lantern]

chat isnt neuro and neuro isnt beholden to chat rules tho

[halcyon remnant]

ngl, that's stupid to me

[grim coyote]

the audience reflects the streamer, this is nothing unusual

[cloud topaz]

anyways i hope u guys understand where we come, but i've also noted what u guys are concerned about

we are handling a chat of an AI streamer, so sometimes the enforcement can seem desynced to the chat. we have rules while she's unbounded

[raw jasper]

I understand it's not easy i'm glad we're able to talk about it

[halcyon remnant]

and what about all the collab partners that obviously provoke the same sorts of topics? they are above these rules too

[grim coyote]

All I'm saying is don't act surprised when the audience behaves like the streamer, again that's just how humans audiences work

[cloud topaz]

(Off-topic) 7TV emote "sadV" removal

sorggy this normally isn't an allowed thread, but i also didn't wanna 1984 this

[devout canopy]

"do it fart" -filian just now

[cloud topaz]

hmm? i don't get it. r u saying we shouldn't be applying rules to chat when a collab partner says something?

[devout canopy]

Imo, the chat will reflect what the streamer or anyone on streams says, how they behave and act. When the streamer says something, of course people will think it is okay to parrot that.

But this topic is a whole other can of worms I didn't even want to open, it is way to convoluted. I am just happy that is back.

[cloud topaz]

it's another topic altogether, and i also understand that the audience is human. however, we operate like this because the streamer is an AI; this paradigm has its own pros and cons, so i understand it's quite frustrating if you're not used to it from other streamers

anyways, hope this is all for the emote

[devout canopy]

From my side, yes

[cloud topaz]

ok! in the future please consider opening a #contact-mods modmail for these kinda things, it's more appropriate. #1095948590947500113 is typically for feedback to vedal and neuro

[hollow adder]

i feel like this is more appropriate for discussion though because it is community centered?

[halcyon remnant]

I prefer it being public

[devout canopy]

I am sorry, but this concerned way more people than just myself. I am just the messenger here (with his own opinion). We needed more input.

[halcyon remnant]

otherwise you've gotta relay everything from your modmail back to a group of everyone who's interested and vice-versa, and it feels like a hassle to coordinate a dialogue

[cloud topaz]

yeah unfortunately #1095948590947500113 is used as a feedback forum for vedal and neuro, not for community feedback to mods like this. i think it's possible to have a modmail with multiple people, so i'll investigate how to make that possible