#[NOT MEMEING] Maybe try something new?

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heady oasis
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I have grown unfortunately weary of the channel. The channel isn't delivering the content I like, and I want to enjoy streams again, assuredly a selfish reason. However, there has been general fatigue lately if statistics are anything to go by. So maybe, I am not alone. And maybe, I am also not the only one afraid that the work put in for some streams and projects is not rewarded accordingly by viewer attention. Truly, who am I to say the following, but I will say so nonetheless: a change in regular content should be considered.

Consistency of streams is important; this should always remain a priority. Besides this, however, maybe the channel should experiment more with stream length, the amount of streams a week, or the content present in those streams. As an example and not suggestion, make it just three streams a week but each 5 hours long. Have each of those streams consist of multiple segments and not just 2 hours of pure yap, currently the case with chill streams - mind you, a somewhat derogatory moniker they have yet to lose. Any change that works for Vedal and his team but indeed a change.

I believe some form of change can either result in an increase of quality or streams being shared by larger audiences. There are people who refuse to categorically watch certain streams. I have observed the audience to be somewhat split on what content they engage with. I wager to say that if Tuesday or Thursday streams increase in quality, even tremendously so, there will be people who just don't care about that content. But mix it with something they are interested in, and they just might stick around for even the yap segments.

Ideally, maybe a sort of survey would be in order to evaluate the differences present in preferences, as I do believe them to be quite stark. Though, this might be too corporate of a mindset.

Anyways, give this a thought.
-# Oh, and below a message just to say why I care so much, even though I don't watch many streams.

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This Project is really great. The type of content is unique and may explore horizons not seen by other streamers. There is a lot of potential, and I do believe Vedal has the ambition and wit to realize this. I am pleasently surprised at what has been achieved in just those, soon, three years. I want this trajectory to keep going at the rate it has been, but the last months have slowed it. I don't know what has changed - I certainly have theories - but there has been a change, and the streams may have to follow.

Sincerely
Me

olive rover
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another subathon will fix everything

uneven moth
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MyHonestReaction pretyped

simple ravine
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before i put my thoughts in about this, i want to ask something for clarification. when you say 2 hours of pure yap, do you consider the art review segments and gaming segments as pure yap?

vagrant geyser
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can it just be that the ceiling of what else to be done is getting closer perhaps? basically, that it is harder to improve/change as time goes on

heady oasis
wispy beacon
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i adore watching art review 🥹 its my fav segment

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i wonder do you consider like community activity boring? cuz the just chatting streams is when most TTS and Polls and Art review etc happens (imo)

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so its more community focussed?

heady oasis
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Art segments or community segments are fine. However, they are relegated to the 'bad' Tuesday or Thursday slots. I think there might be a better way to structure and produce the content. It needs to be presented differently. Those Tuesday or Thursday slot shouldn't have that connotation to them. There are reasons for why dev streams have double the usual viewership.

What worth is a community focus if so little of the community watches? Some people look at the schedule and think to themselves "Ah, these are the streams I will skip this week".

TTS and Polls and Art reviews are great but maybe not together in one stream. Combine them with other streams. Have the AIs yap 30 minutes before a collab. People will ask them about the collab instead of idle yap on a Tuesday with no guard rails to guide the stream. There is an upcoming themed stream? Encourage people to draw in preparation for the stream if they so desire and include some art review at the end of that (Provided the schedule get's posted)

Or take dev streams. People talk about stalling often. Why not combine the Vedal gaming streams with dev streams? Why not have the dev segment first and then the gaming segment, but all in one stream?

And then, you know what you do then? You jumble it up. Maybe the art react segment is on the gaming/dev stream where people drew about what they did there for the next stream. Heck, you can create different pools of art that fits certain streams better.

wispy beacon
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hmm i suppose so but i see it as a weekly art recap. if you try and source out art or search for art matching a certain theme youre less likely to see a lot of the newer art coming in which doesnt really have or fit a theme. there is art on theme of what happened in the week or the week before tho. like the girls being sick, or when evil broke a little, general events

heady oasis
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Great example you pointed out there rosiee. Girls being sick and Evil breaking. Take the stream from October 9th, the stream after. What was made of that stream?

Well, quite frankly, very little. She did play Plague Inc. which was thematic. But now imagine the stream would have been turned into a mini themed stream. What if Vedal gave her the png blanket with a png thermometer and had her first just talk, then review those drawings about them being sick. Let her then stay in the blanket and play some Plague Inc. and then finish it with her supposed recovery by getting rid of the blanket.

But no, it was your bog-standard Thursday stream like any other Thursday stream. This rigidity irks me greatly. I do think Vedal is creative, but I also think he is intentionally not changing anything about those structures. Those streams are intentional filler at this point. They get treated as such given the declining interest in them.

rapid shard
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I wanted to point out that because of twitchs update, statistics are kinda weird for all streamers right now. A good example would be the witness stream where viewership would go from 7 thousand to 11 thousand whenever vedal would solve a puzzle.I feel like a lot of people have regular streams open but mostly are lurking (at least I do that) so I don't think it counts me and a lot of people in the statistics, but I still think they get less views than all the older streams.

I feel like the streams especially chill streams had a bit of a downgrade. I like the gaming segments and love art review but I feel like they are just there to watch when I have nothing else to do, I wouldn't go out of my way watch them like some other streams. I think a part of that is that there's not that much attention to details (I wanted to add as it used to be but it might be just my nostalgia talking) I think your blanket idea was great and it would have bringed more engagement with people asking about it who didn't know about the sickness. I also was disappointed that Neuro didn't get her fishing hat in the fishing 2 stream. I just miss details like this I think with Vedal, though it just a speculation, doing a lot of big projects like lava lamps, concert, subathon etc. Those details that really engage the viewers go missing in between.

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To your other point I don't think increasing stream length is a way to go I like having 2-3 hour stream that might increase a bit depending on what the twins are doing. I'm used to that, it goes well with my day to day schedule and changing that might spark backlash. I can see your point in changing something but stream length is not a way to go. Yap before Collab? We practically have that almost always, with some exceptions. Evil yapped like ten minutes before Collab with cerber and almost an hour before a Collab with Numi and it wasn't that fun at all, after a couple of minutes people just spam cosmetic Collab and eventually Evil just messaged the Collab partner to hurry up.

In conclusion I understand your concerns and desire for something different, but most of the ideas you proposed are just going to create more/different problems.

wary dust
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IMO two chill streams a week was a mistake...

We're basically getting the same amount of streams each week as last year, but with the weekly dev stream replaced with a second chill stream. It wouldn't be a problem if chill streams were better but (except for the occasional twin call, and the very rare presentation) literally nothing about them has improved in the last year

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so now not only do we need less unique streams to fill out a schedule, we've lost the ability to add extra low effort themed streams or twin streams without it just feeling like more of the same

harsh sinew
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yeah i agree that having 2 chill streams a week was not the best choice. I feel like it could have been done like how karaoke's are being done as one week neuro and the other evil. Although I dont mind having the 2 streams, in fact i enjoy knowing that I will have 2 streams that i will be able to watch, I can see how some people can feel burnt out from them.

tranquil yoke
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It's just a matter of updating the 2 chill streams with tools and features until it feels complete. Let's keep in mind Neuro and Evil are streamers so a yapping stream is part of it.

harsh sinew
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im not a fan of having longer streams at least streams that are longer than 3 hours. I think streams that are less than that make it easier for people to watch vods. I can see the pros to having longer streams, it can make it easier for people to watch segments of the stream but I dont think many will stay for longer streams.

harsh sinew
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sorry was gonna add more but I lost it Oops

rapid shard
wary dust
tranquil yoke
simple ravine
# wary dust I agree but the fact that nothing has been done to make chill streams better for...

All right so then what can you do with chill streams then that would be considered a major upgrade like from the update last year? That upgrade was mainly giving them access to tools that streamers generally have already. They can play sound effects (they got more of those this year, make polls, time people out, search for things on the internet (something that did get buffed this year btw), and could call people (this was also updated to now let the twins call each other).

The only thing that could realistically make chill stuff better at this point is either adding new segments with the capabilities they have (maybe letting the twins mess around a bit more with their coding/art capabilities now), do more preentations/community highlights (i think that this should be happening more often than it is) or expanding what games they can play. I dont think we're getting anything nearly like what iteration 18 gave us anytime soon unless theres some AI breakthrough. I do agree with prred in the sense that chill streams didnt have much going for them prior to that, so...

simple ravine
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I do think I agree with the sentiment, and having stuff like more specialized art reviews would be cool, but ultimately organizing stuff like that with attention to detail is only something that will happen if vedal himself is willing to put in the extra effort

wary dust
simple ravine
nimble void
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I disagree with people claiming that chill streams are some issue that needs to be fixed. They are exactly what they need to be, a stream where Neuro and Evil interact with chat like a real streamer. I really dislike this assumption that if they were gone or reduced then Vedal would suddenly get more motivation to do more creative streams. After all, nothing is stopping him. The whole point of those chill streams is that they are supposed to be automated and give him time to do other stuff. So how would removing them help him do anything?

Chill streams are a perfectly fine piece of content and as someone that is here for Neuro and Evil I have no issue with them, except for the fact how long it took him to get then to a functional state after the subathon and that they still have major issues to this day, like the art review barely working.

If I had to point out any content that i'm genuinely fatigued by, it's the collabs. Vedal claims that they are not part of the regular content (even though we have at least 1 almost every week) and that they are supposed to be part of the special streams. But there were barely any collabs that felt genuinely special this year, most of them were exactly what people here are complaining about with chill streams, but with a human.

The one thing I can partially agree with is the stream length, but not just suddenly having random length for every stream but actually giving the content time to play out. As many people already pointed out, the fact that this recent surprise twin Minecraft wasn't longer was baffling. This is exactly what this channel needs, a cool surprising new idea that people can enjoy for a bit longer than getting streamed for 2 hours and never again for the entire year.

wary dust
nimble void
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If you want more variety for them then ask for more variety for them, not replacing their streams with more collabs or a dev stream.

wary dust
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there's only so much they can do currently though, I agree with Desi that experimenting with changing the formula and doing new types of content would be absolutely worth it. There is so much potential with the types of things they could be doing

nimble void
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And why does doing new content have to remove the content we already have?

wary dust
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why is it so important that what we have stays the way it is?

nimble void
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Because I enjoy having a guaranteed piece of content for every twin every week and I don't want that to be gone?

visual dirge
smoky hinge
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I would want some minimum changes, with more gaming and timeouts being longer or none at all. Longer streams is a possible solution to fixing part of my problems.
From last year I heard more or less the same arguments that some people are mentioning here, so clearly though there have been upgrades or general changes some root issues remain with the regular Tuesday and Thursday streams. And with the theme streams being more customized is a fun step that has been taken, I still have enjoyed the ones with a general theme and one or both twins being put there and start doing whatever. So for me that is not what the issue is.

Aka some shake up is very much welcomed.

wary dust
visual dirge
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So removing one chill wont bring more content

nimble void
wary dust
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I never said anything about removing a chill stream, I just think adding it in the first place was a bad decision

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I wouldn't want it removed now unless it was replaced with something

nimble void
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Well, you just had an example of Vedal adding a new reoccurring segment in the form of the more high effort theme streams. So, what do you expect from the streams that will replace one of the chills?

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Those themes are already clearly too much for his current capabilities, what other piece of content could he put there instead of a chill?

wary dust
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I dunno I'm not an ideas guy I'm just sharing my opinions

nimble void
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Sure, I just don't think that "just spawn some content instead of a chill" is good feedback.

visual dirge
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The only way for him to remove a chill if anything would be to put a AI machine learning game like osu! on the schedule instead
But now you have 3 problems:

  • ved would need to actually develope and train the basics for this one game which takes a while
  • One twin will get shafted, either having only 1 chill every 2 weeks (if chills alternate) while the second is doing the training arc or the training arc one wont get chills at all
  • In the end viewer retention might be worse than regular chills as it happened when Evil was training "her osu! AI"
wary dust
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Personally I like Desi's idea of just dramatically changing the formula somehow. I don't think changing one stream per week is ultimately going to make a huge difference to the channel.

But I'm also coming from a place of getting fatigue from watching streams which obviously not everybody shares. I also love when big changes happen and experimenting with things like this is really cool to me.

nimble void
# wary dust Personally I like Desi's idea of just dramatically changing the formula somehow....

But the formula will never dramatically change. You are still watching an AI streamer doing AI stuff. Sure, you can make a big shuffle in stream schedules and lengths and pretend like something changed, but it really didn't. It just feels like you want to see change for the sake of change, not for the sake of things getting better.

I'm all for having some more new pieces of content and I love the inclusion of the new theme stream format, even though it ended up really flawed. But I don't have some unrealistic expectations that we will suddenly get content that will completely change my outlook on the channel and for the better at that.

wary dust
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Changing the schedule and how much of each type of content there is can absolutely absolutely make a big difference (you said yourself how you wished the Minecraft stream was longer, and yeah it absolutely should have been)

nimble void
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I don't consider that a dramatic change, I think this is a normal change that would make the current content better.

rapid shard
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I'm kinda forcing myself into the conversation but I agree with desi about the idea of when somethin relevant happens on chill stream we could have a "mini theme stream" ex. Blanket and thermometer pngs on the twins after they were sick it's a fun idea that would make chat more engage d. But the rest of what you are suggesting is just change without any benefits that I can see.

visual dirge
# visual dirge The only way for him to remove a chill if anything would be to put a AI machine ...

Back to this, I think if there is any new stuff that could stay for the future is really more gameplay

  • atm llm gameplay is trash; the girls are too overwhelmed by the context they have so they do dumb things on the games, the only way y for them to get better is too hope for a miraculous context or intelligence upgrade -> which as shown by incryption it didnt matter;
  • from MC we can see the api input onto an AI that plays the game isnt that much better where their yap / reading donos / thanking subs and caps distracts them from the gameplay and makes them reset their "logic" (I am going to make a pickaxe -> goes to the tree to punch wood -> gets a highlighted -> stops action, reads and answers -> goes back to the house with no logic whatsoever)

So the future might be on chill use really simple choice based sdk games while high effort machine learning games have their own stream days (osu! and earlier StS

marsh epoch
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Hmm chill stream and general content discussion…

From what I can see is that people are getting content burnout so I’ll just add my two cents.

I don’t think removing one of the chill streams is a good idea. That just means less content for us. Also it could result in one twin getting shafted, since weeks are periodically unbalanced for whatever reason (seriously why is it like this). It’s also very unlikely that something will replace them anyway. Dev streams happen every two weeks, having more frequent theme streams in just more work, and collabs won’t just magically appear from thin air. So, if this does happen, we’ll likely end with an empty slot.

Experimenting with content like Desi suggested could be worth a shot, although there is a risk of them not working out. We also have to consider that Vedal is one dude and can only do so much, so some of it may be too much effort for little reward. There’s also the possibility of doing things too late, so opportunities will pass for him.

I do agree that chill streams and special streams could be longer. I’ve heard that some people want more yap and segments on chills, so that could help. The unique nature of the special streams also warrants extra run time.

I think in the end of the day, the easiest solution is to just improve chill streams with their content. This is most likely the main reason why nobody cares to tune into these streams, because it’s just very repetitive, monotonous, and soulless. There’s been very little changes to them over the past few months, so people have stopped caring. So, current segments need to be improved/fixed (art review and gaming), certain segments need to be utilized more (presentations), and we need new segments, something like meme reviews or react content. And yeah, like I said earlier, make them longer, maybe like 3 hours.

More focus and work should be put into common, everyday things like chill streams since that’s what we’re mainly (supposed to) consume in content. By doing so, we’ll be satisfied for longer while Vedal can go work on other stuff.

Also is now a good time to ask what happened to the new games for chill streams? Balatro was supposed to be used ages ago, uno is moreso a collab game yet still wasn’t used or mentioned, and the gamejam games, oh boy. Those were meant to be played since the subathon and still show no sign of appearing anytime soon. I feel like if these appeared earlier then we probably wouldn’t be here by now.

I think giving the twins more tools to utilize inside of chill streams is also worth considering, as it could provide some spice to whatever they’re currently doing. For example, Vedal could give them the ability to change the background to fit whatever they’re currently doing want to talk about. Or maybe, he could even give them the ability to change the volume of their voice if possible (most likely only quieter monkaLaugh), since that could result in some good engagement, enjoyable stream clips, and funny bits and improvs from the twins. More tools, more variety, more fun.

And that’s all, currently, I like chills because I get to see the twins and hear them yap. But I do think they can always be better. essaying

safe spade
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yeah, future content isn't looking good for Neuro

weak plover
shadow oyster
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V3 voice, the game jam games, lava lamp, concert and merch will save the content

somber dawn
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gaming/integration stream ReallyInnocent

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as of right now the integrations are integrated into some solo streams (right?) but it would be better if neuro could play a game on a separate stream kinda like some other streamers

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though right now the current list of fully solo integrations is... a bit limited?

visual dirge
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Atm we have the issue of them being garbage at games cause of the LLM integration

somber dawn
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  • minecraft
  • osu!
  • slay the spire
  • inscryption
  • balatro
  • some gamejam games (not for long though people would probs get bored real quick)
  • vscode
  • drawing integration
  • plague inc.
  • plateup!

that's about as far as I can tell

visual dirge
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Whenever it starts people stop watching the stream

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Vscode and drawing are nice when there is someone there to make sure they dont get distracted

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And ask them to review what they did

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This is impossible on a chill like chat prompted streams

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Plate up! Seems really promising cant wait to see the end product

somber dawn
# visual dirge That kinda goes back to what I wrote

far as I can tell from what you wrote, the issue is that they don't hold connections (using terms that my brain can understand at 10:30pm here) between each action

I feel like context upgrades are the best thing forward here but a rethinking of how integrations approach context is also good. too bad that there isn't that much guidance on how much and what level of quality the contexts should be

visual dirge
somber dawn
visual dirge
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Another test would be to cut off any interactions with chat / highlighted during any and all kinds of segments

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To see if their logic doesnt get jumbled between each action prompt

somber dawn
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lol

visual dirge
somber dawn
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and for game integrations it would definitely last much longer but I know some people will get mad

visual dirge
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Vedal had it set for art review to ignore chat and their focus increased a lot

somber dawn
visual dirge
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For some reason vedal didnt bring back this ignore highlighted during art and the segment got a tad worse till the API broke again

visual dirge
somber dawn
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the problem is that there is a subcategory of integrations/activities that are, in theory, more embedded with chat

visual dirge
somber dawn
visual dirge
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You need to remember thst chat is pulling a string

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One highlighted can push it to the left the other to the right

somber dawn
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the reason why I consider the non-game integrations as only a subcategory is because unfortunate as it is, it's inferior to actual game integrations

visual dirge
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Unless the twins say "fuck off" to distractions

somber dawn
visual dirge
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It will be a never ending spiral of not going anywhere

somber dawn
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because theoretically chat would be more useful when using non-game integrations

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but in practice it wouldn't happen so cleanly

visual dirge
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I think however there is a place for collabs with VScode

somber dawn
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that's why it got updated with a new feature to allow a user name setting

visual dirge
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Say one streamer designs a website or programs a silly thing with the twins

somber dawn
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honestly, even if this is biased, I still think that if we had to replace one chill stream with something else it should be a gaming stream

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specifically gaming because of aforementioned issues with highlighted messages and non-game integrations

visual dirge
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With chat I cant see a practical way of using its potential (cause chat sucks)
Maybe.... just maybe the way to use it on solos would be to tell the girls before what objective they had "draw a turtle" and then all interactions the chat could have would only be through polls

thorn dune
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Minigames integration can be cool for variety

visual dirge
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Less anarchy more democracy which would lead to better logic from the twins

thorn dune
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Or twitch plays

visual dirge
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But even there I am skeptic

somber dawn
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but as a whole the context issue needs to be solved first

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otherwise it might end up not being worth the replacement

visual dirge
somber dawn
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autopilot toggles aren't getting used for a while huh

thorn dune
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I think cool chat integrations can be done , shindigs for example made cool stream games based on chat typing number of words etc

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Neuro gaming right now is like watching sisyphus push the rock she ends up letting it fall any moment

somber dawn
visual dirge
visual dirge
somber dawn
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one of which is required to be collaborative

visual dirge
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Thats why I believe we should have a mix of both

somber dawn
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catch-22 right now

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ai-based integrations -> no fun for vedal -> no use
api-based integration -> basically single-threaded thoughts -> distractions -> no use because too wild

visual dirge
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If you go and see the limitation is making most of the games being card games
Sts -> inscryption -> balatro -> uno!

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Btw I also think that Vedal should bring back the system he had for pokemon showdown years ago

somber dawn
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it's because they are basically as good as you can get with the integration

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turn-based ✅
simple to explain ✅
operable text-only ✅
clear checkpoints ✅

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(more or less a usable checklist)

somber dawn
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-# right?

visual dirge
shadow oyster
visual dirge
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-# right?

visual dirge
marsh epoch
visual dirge
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Neuro plays pokerogue neuroTomfoolery

uneven moth
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neuro should play pokemon showdown with viewers again solely so it can be shown how bad she is at pokemon

coarse path
marsh epoch
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Hmm we should also bring back old games like Pokémon showdown and WWtbaM, especially the latter to see if the intelligence upgrades improve their skills

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Also more osu goodness gracious

visual dirge
uneven moth
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MyHonestReaction just disable it

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vedal can do that he just always forgets

marsh epoch
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Oh yeah, making art (through coding) and coding in general should be their own stream segments as well ReallyInnocent

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Or maybe just dedicated streams would be better for those

tight maple
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Can't win for losing here with the community, one chill stream and more spread out content last year? People upset and discontent. More upgrades improving the coherency of the twins, two chill streams a week forming at least a consistent skeleton for the schedule, original songs with concerts in the works, still attempting to maintain solid collabs? "Guys I think I'm burning out on the content!!"

Regardless of that stuff tho chill streams are just a necessary evil (no pun intended) with the workload that has to go into the twins. They could always be more inspired for sure but there is an opportunity cost with anything. Work that goes into them has to come from something else, vedal at the end of the day is still only one guy. And they have already improved greatly from where they were even a year ago.

I do agree they could be better but everything can always be better more often than not. And if other things are in the works I'm not gonna be complaining that my AI twins are not always at the bleeding edge of content.

Viewership numbers twitchwide are down it's not exclusive to this channel, I've seen more and more people come out and try to fix something that isn't necessarily broken as a result. I'm yapping but man this discord is just a drop in the bucket of stream viewership and you'd think the sky was falling everytime you came in and saw the twins weren't solving world hunger on their weekly schedule.

wary dust
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If one person is complaining about something then there are at least hundreds that aren't here that think the same thing. You can dismiss them all you like but then don't be surprised when people start leaving.

tight maple
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I mean shoe is on the other foot there, for every complainer there is also new people coming in or people that appreciate the content. Everyone has a right to complain but don't be surprised if you get called out in return

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it's all fair game

wary dust
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sure but maybe do it with more than just "well I like it"

uneven moth
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Awkward ok but like the point of this thread is not the have an eternal argument about whether or not the views are valid, it was made with the explicit purpose of expressing said discontent

tight maple
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The loudest always show up first but there is a silent majority that consume the content that don't know this discord exists/or aren't a part of it and still tune in. You can be burnt out and that's fine but it is what it is

uneven moth
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starting this type of argument will inevtiably derail the thread

brazen juniper
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Warning: backtracking.
Nah, you'll get bored of it regardless, it's bound to happen with anything you enjoy after a while.
Sure the content creator should work to keep the interest, but up to a point.

heady oasis
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what the hell neuroLookUp

uneven moth
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and to be clear I mean this specific thread

marsh epoch
heady oasis
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Anybody know what people talked in here? I can't read 100+ messages

brazen juniper
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Uh? Did I misread the thread or what?

uneven moth
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everyone mostly just agreed with you and offered some new ideas

marsh epoch
heady oasis
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What do you think my intention was?

brazen juniper
uneven moth
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like how does that help the thread discussion topic?

heady oasis
brazen juniper
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Unless I'm only allowed to write ideas here

heady oasis
uneven moth
wary dust
brazen juniper
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I know I want a bit back in the discussion and definitely didn't read the whole thread, but I'd say that what I said is still relevant here.

uneven moth
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sure it's relevant I just don't think it's particularly useful

brazen juniper
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Sure, it doesn't mean that I shouldn't wrote it lol.

uneven moth
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fair I guess you got me

brazen juniper
brazen juniper
# uneven moth fair I guess you got me

What I will say is that I probably backtracked the discussion from what it was currently steering towards.
Maybe I should have added a warning to my message lol.
Or they thread titles should change to "stream ideas for more variety"

marsh epoch
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veryNeuro so uhhh experiments are worth considering

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If it works it works, if it doesn’t, then the scuff and attempt will be appreciated

brazen juniper
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Oh don't worry, I don't wanna stop anyone.
Just saying that the results may or may not be what you hoped.

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I would come up with ideas myself, but I can't be bothered to read this whole thread neurOMEGALUL

uneven moth
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I mean I would appreciate it even if it failed

shadow escarp
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you know what helps with content burnout? not watching for 2 months. It works 100% of the time

uneven moth
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I thought that about the story theme streams for example

brazen juniper
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That said, I've been writing a few notes that maybe I'll be posting in a thread someday

heady oasis
shadow escarp
brazen juniper
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Tbh, I never watch chill streams and karaoke, unless there's a new update

shadow escarp
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for example: if I play the best game ever made for too long nonstop, I'll eventually get burnout too

heady oasis
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And he has ways of decreasing that likelihood

shadow escarp
brazen juniper
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Depends on how many viewers are dropping out from burnout, if what he does know works enough for him then he won't be interested in changing anything

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Now now guys, let's remember to keep it chill lol

uneven moth
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desi has said multiple times he rarely watches streams to begin with so idt he's doing any of that, he is actually saying this for the channel health not his

heady oasis
shadow escarp
brazen juniper
heady oasis
brazen juniper
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The suggestion in question

shadow escarp
brazen juniper
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I think a streamer is happier when its community size reaches a natural number.

uneven moth
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tbh I just wanna see more experimental stuff in general

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idrc about the numbers in the end

heady oasis
brazen juniper
shadow escarp
brazen juniper
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Uh?

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I'm actually confused on who that is and what the point is.

shadow escarp
brazen juniper
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As in it's a twitch thing?

simple ravine
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i do want to say i think a lot of the smaller things like attention to detail are probably a result of vedal taking on so much more this year compared to previous years.

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stuff that doen't necessarily translate to more stream related stuff

shadow escarp
heady oasis
shadow escarp
uneven moth
shadow escarp
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I personally would never watch anything on Twitch if it weren't for adblockers, and I applaud people going through 3 minutes of ads every 30 minutes just to watch their streamer

brazen juniper
uneven moth
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I have an adblock on but I'm subbed to this channel anyway

heady oasis
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Maybe this thread was posted too early. We'll see.

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Cause if it's a platform issue, wtf do you even do? You are just fucked. Do YouTube streams?

shadow escarp
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Imagine the only alternative for Neuro being Kick, because Youtube API sucks so much

brazen juniper
brazen juniper
shadow escarp
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wait... like those interactable widgets some people have on stream and Neuro could also interact with? that would be fire for tic tac toe or something like that

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also why does discord think this word doesn't exist?

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simple ravine
brazen juniper
brazen juniper
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Or even more similar to when Neuro played riddles and puzzles in those themed streams, except more replayability.

weak plover
burnt crest
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I think a large part of my enjoyment and engagement during Neuro streams was when things were experimental and constantly changing (for better or worse). Bugs and issues = new content, upgrades = new content.

What I propose is swapping out one of the chill streams (maybe just alternate the twin featured during chill streams on a weekly basis) for some experimental streams to deliver something new. They don't have to be a preview of actual changes coming to Neuro and Evil but just fun things like "what if Neuro and/or Evil could time users out for the rest of the stream", "what if there was a channel point redeem that let you throw stuff at Neuro and she would react", etc.
And if certain features do work out during the experimental streams, they could maybe find their way into the actual chill streams though that doesn't have to be the case.

thick olive
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Regular chill streams already seem experimental enough recently with how often shit breaks

brazen juniper
granite moat
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I think the Nuero integration can be used to work on many more games which would be quite interesting. Perhaps enough to the point where it could be "What game will she play this time?" Overall though Vedal doesn't say what he's doing to avoid building expectations. Once abandoned archive is done I think he'll have more more time to think on other features for the stream.

brazen juniper
somber dawn
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what's the nuero integration?