There is a problem with my AI

[heavy basalt]

generated by DoubaoAI

[eternal atlas]

ew ai art

[bold gyro]

silly little cookie

[glad lynx]

Lol

[near tusk]

ai art of ai

[eternal atlas]

ai art isn't actually art

[cedar relic]

you watch an AI streamer and yet complain about ai-generated art?

[eternal atlas]

because ai art isn't art. ai streamer IS art because it actually had time and effort put into it. ai art steals from real artists where as Neuro sama is new and original. Also she's cute

also it's my birthday so I'm right either way

[fading tendon]

Vedal when he drank too many beers.

[cosmic reef]

One can still put effort into ai art
And calling it stealing is quite misleading tbh

[eternal atlas]

[cosmic reef]

Amount of reactions lowk just proves how misleading it is, most ppl lack understanding of what ai even is and how u can still make art with it

Synthesiser V uses generative AI so either you have to consider all SV songs (e.g. Birdbrain by Jamie Paige ft. Kasane Teto) to not be real music
Or consider ai to be a tool that can be used to create art.

[eternal atlas]

brother

mods ban this cornball

[cosmic reef]

I'd prefer to not be called that (or any masculine nouns/pronouns for that matter)

[eternal atlas]

I could honestly care less what you'd rather be called and care more about the stupid point you're making

[cosmic reef]

Then maybe u should address the point and not me?

[eternal atlas]

what do you mean

[cosmic reef]

What do u consider stupid about the claim that art can be made with ai and without stealin

[eternal atlas]

because it quite literally is stealing

ai uses real art to generate images

and it can generate images of licensed characters

with a real thought put into it

it's stealing

[cosmic reef]

Are humans physically incapable of drawin licensed characters even when u ask them to or what

[eternal atlas]

not what I'm saying

ai art isn't art

it's not original

therefore It isn't art

real art takes time effort and originality

none of which generative ai has

[cosmic reef]

It is if you put effort into it

[eternal atlas]

YOU LITERALLY CAN'T

[cosmic reef]

You, as human, are capable of puttin both effort and originality into something while usin ai

[eternal atlas]

how

explain to me how

I'm talking generative ai not coding your own ai like neuro sama

[cosmic reef]

So you're tellin me this song has 0 effort and originality just because it uses SynthV which uses gen ai to create vocals?
https://youtu.be/UHbmkxv-874

[eternal atlas]

I'm not talking about synthv

I'm talking about AI ART

chat

[cosmic reef]

I consider music to be a form of art, but it's pretty much the same with drawing. Just because you can generate an effortless image in like 10 seconds, doesn't mean that it's the ONLY way to use a TOOL. It is YOUR job as a creator to put effort into something, not your instrument's. If you don't do that, well ofc it will just be an effortless slop, but that's YOUR fault for not botherin to make smth good.

Technically speakin, someone's input of notes and lyrics in SV isn't different from givin a stickman to ChatGPT and askin it to make a more detailed version.
There is a difference in consent, cuz people willingly provided their voices to SV, but that has nothing to do with originality or effort. Either way, end result is generated from creator's input and someone's else data that was used for trainin the ai.

[eternal atlas]

how does one put effort into ai art? all you do is write a prompt and if the image isn't to your liking you tweak the prompt

how is that effort?

if I ask gpt to generate an original image let's see what happens

[cosmic reef]

Define what you mean by "effort" here

[eternal atlas]

no you describe because I'm the one who's confused

how does one put effort into creating images with generative ai

[eternal atlas]

this is what it came up with

now it's a lady laying in a field

[cosmic reef]

Can you draw an original image, not based on anything you ever saw?

[eternal atlas]

it's a painting of a man and a dog walking on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere.

[cosmic reef]

You're the one claimin its something that human art always has and ai art always lacks, so what is it?

If we go by Cambridge definition, effort is "physical or mental activity needed to achieve something". Comin up with a description of an image you want to get undeniably requires mental activity, even if it's in much less amount than human made art.

[eternal atlas]

it takes a lot less effort to think then it does to actually draw something on a physical piece of paper, doesn't it?

you could ask me to draw something and I would have it done in 10 to 20 minutes. You can type up a prompt to give to AI within one minute with absolutely no problems.

usually, if I take 10 to 20 minutes making something it doesn’t take as much effort as it usually would if I actually put in as much effort as possible it would take over an hour

[cosmic reef]

That is literally what I said? Like yeah obviously 13 is less than 618, but it's not 0. You, however, claimed it was literally impossible to put effort into ai.

[eternal atlas]

generative AI may be able to create an image not based off of any real image, but it still uses designs that are made from real artists and drawings made by real artists to train the generative software to create images.it lacks creativity

[eternal atlas]

writing a prompt does not take effort it takes one singular thought

[cosmic reef]

So if I play gartic phone and draw smth in a timespan of 2 minutes it is less art than if I spend 5 minutes refinin promt, cuz latter took more time and therefore more effort?

[eternal atlas]

and what does the ai get training data from?

real artists who didn't give consent

[cosmic reef]

And how in the world does that relate to YOUR effort and originality that YOU put into it?

[eternal atlas]

AI USES ART THAT WASN'T AGREED TO BE USED, TO MAKE MORE IMAGES THAT ARE THE SAME STYLE

THE AI IS STEALING THE CREATIVITY OF THE ARTISTS ART STYLE TO MAKE SLOP THAT DOESN'T EVEN LOOK GOOD

supporting ai "art" makes no sense

[cosmic reef]

How often do you ask permission to take inspiration from some art or use one as a reference? Did the authors agree for you to learn the same style from them?

[eternal atlas]

who posts inspired art and says it's completely original?

nobody

besides ppl who steal and take credit

[cosmic reef]

All human made art is in some way inspired by art they learned from or just saw

[eternal atlas]

my oc is inspired by a roblox character, but I don't say he's "completely original" because that would be a lie

[eternal atlas]

correct but ai art does more than just use inspiration

you know what fine

you're right

[cosmic reef]

And who's sayin that ai art is completely original? It obviously isn't

[eternal atlas]

I can't argue anymore

I see where I'm wrong and I apologize for arguing with you

but ai art isn't art

and that's final

[cosmic reef]

ai slop isn't art, ai-assisted art is. If you put zero time in it then yeah its not, if you put more effort then it is

If you think otherwise, agree to disagree ig

[eternal atlas]

I agree, but in my opinion, writing a prompt for a while does not take that much effort

[cosmic reef]

yeah that's true, altho amount of promts also matters
one or two or even five might not be much, but if u spend like half an hour on promtin, plus use other tools like maybe manually adjustin colours or details, that does take enough effort for it to be considered art i think