[NOT MEMEING] New Merch Feedback

[safe solstice]

so I know Neuro read my message, but i said more than what she read- the full thing was "ngl i dont think its neuro-y enough, like the concept is cool but the execution is questionable. unironically id prefer something where one side is normie and one is overt, plus a long sleeve option." In addition to that, while I do like how it is pretty covert, if I hadn't seen this stream I never wouldve known this was neuro merch.

I also wanted to make this discussion post so there could be a place for some non-memeing feedback on the shirt, cuz I think it'd be helpful for Juniper and Vedal to have the actual feedback somewhat separate.

[NOT MEMEING] Reversible Shirt Feedback

[sharp portal]

The Evil side is difficult to figure out as Neuro merch, the Neuro side has the heart cogs as a hint. then you notice her bow.

[median wyvern]

would need to pay copper1ion for its rights

[gloomy lark]

Just to share my thoughts

1. I like the designs a lot for both sides of shirt in a "it's cool" sense

2. I personally think Neuro's is "good enough" mostly because of the gears, which are one of her recognizable icons, but there could be some improvement on the overall concept in that regard as well

3. I think Evil's says almost nothing that it's evil other than the broken heart, but it's not much and maybe they could find some more symbolisms of theirs to include

[oblique thicket]

my feedback is to add a neuro/evil silhouette if bro is keeping the original designs
(lazy to make other image silhouette but u get the point)

[trim beacon]

personally I think the front is too bland, like it basically has some heart ballons and that's it

[safe solstice]

I'd say if instead of the heart balloons it was like one of the lil neuro drone things thatd be a big improvement

[trim beacon]

yeah that would be way better

heart ballons just... aren't it

[gloomy lark]

including a drone would be pretty smart if they can create something reminiscent but not copying anything

[safe solstice]

i mean i think theyd be cool as a part of the back design but not a focal point

[trim beacon]

I mean just make the gymbag drone

[foggy fox]

There's a lot of 'unofficial' neuro iconography which is widely recognizable and very cool (like this). Maybe vedal should ask artists to suggest some logos/details that would make the design more 'neuro-y'

[trim beacon]

gymbag drone is a distinct enough idea associated with neuro that fans would understand

[fossil dove]

[median wyvern]

I think there is no way to understand that this is twins merch

• Neuro seems to have some symbology but you need to be right next to the person to even understand the cogwheel hearts... yet it still seems like a Alice in Wonderland shirt
• Evil is basically a Kingdom Hearts shirt (the back is still great, I just cant find in it)
• Evil breaks into starts but the stars arent a part of her motif anymore - where skulls?
• the front seem like random ballons that never had significance to the girls

[solar schooner]

the issue is juniper just did exactly what neuro asked, despite the fact neuro was just saying random bullshit

[gloomy lark]

They are absolutely not going to be borrowing anyones designs in any case I would probably suggest not pushing pre existing designs it's messy, legally and ethically

[serene hollow]

The front part of both shirts mean nothing apart from being random ballons if it were to** be 3 hearts** there could be a joke of it being heartheartheart

[trim beacon]

I mean I think they made it too subtle

[fossil dove]

Paragon of Virtue stuff

[median wyvern]

I would argue it isnt even subtle
its obscure
no fan that wasnt around the merch release will know its twins merch

[safe solstice]

well tbf they used the neuro cogs almost exactly which are pre-existing neuro designs, but idk the legal situation on that vs other stuff

[gloomy lark]

the cog with a heart is by itself a generic idea you could probably find on any icon site

but it's recognizable for neuro, yeah

[safe solstice]

yea but its like the exact same

[gloomy lark]

but for something like a drone or a gymbag drone or whatever other kind of stuff they can't just yoink from ideas XD

[spiral dagger]

The front baloons have to go, they are just lame. Neuro kinda has some symbolism but it could have more. Evil's has literally nothing to even know it's Evil.

This merch really needs another draft. I'm fine with some merch being less weeb, but this is literally just a random shirt. There is barely anything to tell this is Neuro and Evil.

[safe solstice]

fair fair

[serene hollow]

i dont know how to draw or have art style or something like that but this is what i consider would be better dont know if people see the idea

[wind wing]

imo its perfect as is, its rather subtle currently which is what i prefer for my clothing. Patterns are cool, but I dont like logos or anything too recognisable, i dont want to be a walking advertisment. I understand if others would like it to be more obvious, but i do not agree. anything else i feel would be too "in your face"

[spiral dagger]

if I wanted to buy a shirt without Neuro and Evil then I wouldn't be buying merch from Neuro and Evil

[safe solstice]

i totally get what you mean, which is why my personal preference is to have one side that is more obviously neuro and one that is more subtle- like what we have right now. The biggest thing is that I feel that even the subtle version should be somewhat recognizable by others who are in the swarm, and the current one is recognizable if you had seen it today but not if you encountered it on the street with no prior knowledge.

[runic citrus]

Subtle and pink contradict each other

[strange matrix]

I feel like this is still a bit lacking in "recognizability" (don't know what word would be better).To me Neuro is more than just a heart

[serene hollow]

3 heartheartheart

grey outline

for the pin

[safe solstice]

i think in this case subtle means in the sense of not obviously neuro, not subtle as in doesnt stand out in a crowd

[serene hollow]

less subtle than ballons

[runic citrus]

I thought subtle as in you can wear it in public

[serene hollow]

its subltle yeah but its more recognizable than ballons

[strange matrix]

I guess it's still infinitely better than random balloons, yeah

[wind wing]

very good point, hard agree there, so there can be the best of both worlds. IMO the perfect shirt would be one that any swarm member would recognise as neuro, even if they hadnt seen it before, whilst people who arent would never guess its merch. obviously ridiculously hard though, which is where the double-sided gimmick should come in. I do quite like the idea of one side being more "in your face" with being neuro merch, maybe the eliv side, as she fits the more "in-knowledge" (idk how to word it properly)

[median wyvern]

still that design works for Neuro not Evil cause heartheartheart was Neuros thing not Evil

[gloomy lark]

heart , gears, angel motif, ribbons, first coffee font, soft stars, mouse pointer
theres are good neuro related things you can use there might be more
for evil
broken heart of course, demon motif, skull or skull with ribbon has been used before
might be more stuff

[serene hollow]

maybe could make it hearts popping

to make symetric

or something

[median wyvern]

no, replace 2 hearts with something else and keep the middle

[serene hollow]

like what explosions?

[safe solstice]

fair fair, for me personally if it isnt visually obviously neuro id prob be ok wearing it in public but thats a personal preference thing so yea

[serene hollow]

for boom

[strange matrix]

maybe like a 💔 impaled by harpoon?

[serene hollow]

i dont have the skills to draw that

[wind wing]

good point, i would personally be buying to support tutle and maybe have other swarm members recognise it though

[median wyvern]

Explosion 💔 impaled by a harpoon and a something referencing a metal (for the pipe spam)

[trim beacon]

ngl I'm not really into the subtlety concept to begin with which is maybe why I want it to be something more overt

[gloomy lark]

i think its not that difficult to make a neuro related merch without anime like sailer moon you can make something obviously sailer moon without any of the characters and fans would still love it, it can work it just needs executed well

[safe solstice]

actually thats a good idea, typing the covert vs in-your-face in with neuro and evil, as yea having neuros side as the less obvious side and then evil as the more YEA IM EVIL NEURO IM NOT HIDING IT side

[serene hollow]

yeah maybe something like that

because ballons just isnt it

[runic citrus]

Yeah, a lot of men wouldn't be caught dead wearing pink in public

[safe solstice]

also, we should try to get this on starboard so Vedal and Juniper can have a higher chance of seeing this

[median wyvern]

btw the sleeves would be great to put their pins as some sort of Football Shirt Sponsors

[gloomy lark]

• men who like anime ai girl who has pastel colors in her brand wouldn't be caught dead representing any of that
  sounds like a them problem /lighthearted

[safe solstice]

oh yeah

[wind wing]

genius idea

[wind wing]

100% lol

[safe solstice]

i personally would love it as long sleeve over short sleeve but ik thats unlikely

[runic citrus]

If that were the case we wouldn't have to make the shirt subtle

[gloomy lark]

there's a balance it's not that hard to achieve it

[serene hollow]

added metal harpoon

[safe solstice]

well i think theres a felt difference in wearing pink shirt and wearing ANIME GIRL SHIRT

[serene hollow]

im not an artist

[wind wing]

i would prefer short sleeve, but thats just because i dont like the feel of sleeves, they cling to your arms too much

[safe solstice]

yeah thats why i said i know thats unlikely- i personally am weird and almost exclusively wear long sleeves as my arms feel weird when theres like texture on one part of arm and then not on other part and arm says why different??

[wind wing]

fair enough lol, maybe have the option between the two of them? idk how likely that is though, probably not very

[trim beacon]

I mean it's not that weird to have both a long sleeve and short sleeve option

helps with the preference

[safe solstice]

yeah probably not, cuz like ive done custom order shirts and long sleeve are always so much more expensive

[wind wing]

yeah, but it would require redesigning to make sure it looks good

[trim beacon]

I mean they are more fabric

I don't really like long sleeve shirts though it's too hot where I live

[safe solstice]

i mean not really, unless there were the arm pin prints there wouldnt be any difference on the arms right?

[wind wing]

i dont know too much about clothing specifically, but from what I know about other things, even just a small change requires going through a bunch of the design process again

[safe solstice]

from my experience with like teespring and similar i didnt have to change anything, but tbf when its a direct design not thru a UI idk

[gilded brook]

I just don't like color of the Neuro side I doubt many people would wear that side tbh
Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I feel

[whole owl]

I also think the shirts look too girly and not neuro enough. the hearts are a core part of her aesthetic but the gear hearts are more specific to neuro. also the back of the neuro side specifically is too generic and the design is irrelavant compared to what else could go there. personally, i will not be buying the shirt in its current state.

like a harpoon or explosion would be much better for the evil side

[chrome yew]

“too girly”

[glossy mortar]

I can't add much that hasn't already been said. But, to reafirm, I really like the "subtle merch design" vedal is aiming. But, the design shown today was too subtle that I wouldn't buy it, since it doesn't represent Neuro/Evil enough.
I do understand that the whole point of this is "Neuro designs merch", but it would be great if they changed it to be more appealing and relatable.

[spiral dagger]

You cannot convince me that the point of the Neuro designed merch, the HUMBLEST AI on Earth, is to have merch that has literally nothing recognizable about her on it.

[whole owl]

i think a simple shirt with the pins that she wears on her school uniform but on the chest of the shirt would be simple, cool, and wearable without being too anime

if i saw someone wearing that i would immediately recognize it as neuro merch

and it still keeps the heart motif but with more relavant context than whatever the balloons are supposed to be

[gloomy lark]

i do think most of us can agree the heart balloons are a miss

[whole owl]

for the neuro side on the front, someone had the idea of just "heartheartheart" which i like. we need more of the inside jokes on the shirts and the current design include none of that

[median wyvern]

Evil's is easy to fix -> make it seem like her harpoon with a legally distinct Mimikyu is shattering the heart

[trim beacon]

even the "yeah I'm based, based in code" that was on the old uwumarket shirts would be a good in joke

[whole owl]

would 100% work

[spiral dagger]

Just imagine this harpoon in some stylish black and white and it works and also actually represents Evil.

It just feels like such a no brainer choice that I'm baffled they didn't do it.

[trim beacon]

see now that's good

and ppl who don't know wouldn't know it's evil neuro merch

[keen plank]

i mean idk why we use more of Evil's actual design in her shirt

it's just broken heart

where are the horns, the tail, the skulls

[trim beacon]

exactly, those are all things assoiciated with her and ppl who understand how it connects would get it

this is just a broken heart really

that's why it's "too subtle"

it's basically not even neuro/evil merch

[median wyvern]

it feels so bland and generic that seems merch readapted from other things

[keen plank]

not even that we for some reason have stars and broken stars in evil's design even tho they have nothing to do with evil

if the plan is to stick with the symbolism route then atleast make the symbolism match Evil and Neuro

this isnt subtlety, this looks like what i could find if i google "broken heart vector art", it is so far removed from the actual subject that even if someone knows Evil or Neuro and I would show them this, they would not be able to relate this back to them

the idea for subtlety is so it doesnt push you Evil and Neuro into the face, but if someone else sees it without knowing about the existence of this merch, they could recognize that it has sth to do with Neuro and Evil

[median wyvern]

I would like to also add--- werent these shirt meant to go into the fumos?
so we go from them using their models to use a simple 1 colour shirt with tiny balloons? (remember that the back wouldnt show cause of their hair)

[trim beacon]

I mean you can kinda see the back or just put it on backwards to begin with

[median wyvern]

on the fumos you wont se much cause of the frozen chicken hair style

and if you put it to thefront then why sell the og with the art on the back

[languid remnant]

does anyone have pics of the fronts

[runic citrus]

I will sacrifice myself and get them

[trim beacon]

what even is this

[median wyvern]

now imagine this on the fumos instead of the OG models

[trim beacon]

I mean I would just put the shirt on backwards

[median wyvern]

(mind you the balloons would be barely visible due to the rescale)

[keen plank]

a single dot of color

[median wyvern]

that is if the shirt is removable

[trim beacon]

that was my assumption?

I assumed it would be like plushie clothing

and not like, the default

[languid remnant]

guys i know im artistic

[trim beacon]

better than the base

[copper night]

imo the designs are a really good foundation and all you really need is to add a few more touches and references and stuff on top of what's already there. no need to redo the whole thing cause i think it actually looks pretty rad
(the front is what needs the most work)

[gloomy lark]

I agree with that

[trim beacon]

just add some stuff to the front and add more references to the back

[copper night]

though i am a little torn on the coloring of evil's side. i really really dig the black and white BUT since it's supposed to be evil i feel like you could add at least a little bit of dark red on there. maybe as highlights!

[gloomy lark]

some splash of red would really pop for sure
could be like action lines that's kind of lightning shape

[peak mist]

Not sure what Neuro's back design is trying to achieve though

[copper night]

yeah maybe in between the two heart halves there could be a little bit of dark red like an explosion (or smth idk )

[echo python]

So like neuro-void (alexvoid style) though I think the silhouette would probably feel like generic anime girl

Idea I messaged in stream was to have the icons of Neuro’s badges on the sleeve of her side, and Evil’s badges on the sleeve of Evil’s side

[copper night]

i have no real ideas for the front but i feel like doing just a heart motif on both the front AND the back might be a little too much? maybe there could be something related moreso to AI or coding for the front.

[runic citrus]

The front needs to be redone

[gloomy lark]

there isn't much on the front so thats pretty simple

[slow field]

I don’t know why they’re balloons

[gloomy nest]

it would be cool if evil's was a double layer ripped shirt (fitting the fractured and broken theme neuro mentioned)

maybe a cool design underneath the surface layer

and people can rip it in custom ways they want

something like this

[gloomy lark]

there is only one shirt though not two

for this particular merch

[gloomy nest]

Oh I meant evils side

I mis worded it

[gloomy lark]

i guess that shirt would be really thick

[gloomy nest]

Not really

[gloomy lark]

i guess i can't imagine how itd look and feel

to have a reversible shirt like be torn on only one side

[gloomy nest]

it shouldn’t be too bad

[gloomy lark]

although this does make me think you could add the design of a sewn up tear as like a printed design
thats like how its on her current model that's pretty evil

that could also be the nice splash of red we were talking about earlier

[gloomy nest]

You cooking

Then we just need to implement the 4d side

It would be nice to have some neuro related patches so we can sewn them on ourselves

Velcro patches

[latent zodiac]

Other than the shirts looking nothing like neuro merch, i really hate shirts that have the design on the back. There's almost no time in the year that I leave the house without a coat on.
The only back pattern shirt I own is the Team Chao one from Team Sonic Racing but the only content you miss with that is Omochao holding a bomb, the front is still a full design.

[gloomy nest]

then the back design is a bonus

they are suppose to be more suitable to wear outside that isnt completely blasting people with "i am neuro sama fan" aura

last thing i want is to actually run into someone from NN irl

so i would like it to be more subtle

[safe solstice]

well then youd finally be able to punch them, cmon how is that not an opportunity to take advantage of

[gloomy nest]

that requires contact

[safe solstice]

in that case

[gloomy nest]

youll lose youre last double digit iq

[safe solstice]

H A R P O O N T H E M

[gloomy nest]

would be cool to have a harpoon on the evil side of the shirt

[leaden fossil]

this says something about our community
even though we can pull off some cool projects
it's still a cringe fest to some noticeable extent
and if that's our gut feeling, it must be even more apparent from the outside

[craggy quarry]

I think some more techy imagery would be nice. I like the Neuro cogs for example. The drone idea being thrown around is good. Nothing big, just thrown in a corner or sleeve.

[gloomy nest]

it would just be weird and awkward

[gloomy nest]

the tech streetwear vedal knows so much about

i do also like the cogs

[whole vessel]

mucking about with chatgpt gave me this, take away the english text and I think there's something there? maybe?

[misty mica]

A bit of colour splash theme from each girl's costume maybe. Neuro need a bit of blue and yellow, while evil red and orange

[craggy quarry]

Pink and blue heart balloon, you could pass it off as a shirt for a baby shower or something

[gloomy nest]

thats a little too on the nose for me tbh

hearts shouldnt be the focus of the design imo

it should be more than just hearts

gives me a 5 year old daughter shirt vibe

[whole vessel]

yeah I mean you could take the hearts away and just have the outlines

but I love the idea of the red-grey gradient it came up with

[gloomy nest]

it would be hard to do a complete fit with the gradient i feel, idk im not the top 3 fashionista so i wouldnt know

you have to remember that the shirts needs to be designed in a way that it doesnt compromise the options to wear compatible cloths

[whole vessel]

matching reversible sweatpants where it starts off red at the waist back to grey at the bottom

[gloomy nest]

idk if vedal doing pants merch

neuro themed jeans do sound nice ngl

but it gonna be expensive as hell

[whole vessel]

but also thinking about what else it could go with is very limiting, does my split hoodie go with anything else I wear? nah but it looks good

[gloomy nest]

i think the split hoodie does go well with a lot

kinda like the unus annus merch stuff

[whole vessel]

eh still if a tshirt is being sold as just a tshirt with no bundle option for matching stuff I don't really think about what else it could fit with

it's just a thing and I just wear black or denim jeans 90% of the time anyway

[gloomy nest]

maybe, again im not the top 3 fashionista like vedal so idk

tripleA is essaying

[safe solstice]

tbf that is what this thread is for

[gloomy nest]

its been 10 mins

[umbral owl]

I guess I'll give my feedback here since I haven't done so already.

So I understand that the idea of this reversible tee was to be subtle while still being recognizable to someone as neuro merch. I think this can be pulled off and what we got is, in my opinion, an all right base for more to be added.

As the shirts are now though, it veers too far into subtlety and goes into, in my opinion, being quite generic. Neither side has enough on it to make it look like Neuro merch. The most we have are the cogs with the hearts at the center on neuro's side, but that's it, really. Unless you know this shirt exists, i doubt most people who've heard of Neuro would recognize this as a Neuro/Evil shirt

There's lot of things that I think could be done for this. An extra color for each side would be an easy start, adding blue or yellow for Neuro and a darker red for Evil would probably make them more themed round the twins.

An idea I saw floating around that I am completely on board with is a harpoon going through the broken heart in the back of Evil's side. You could alternatively go with a metal pipe in the middle of that, since it looks more like the heart is shattered than split, in which then you could harpoon the balloons on the front to make the popping work. Neuro's side could have the gymbag drone somewhere, which is an iconic neuro drone design for her, but to aa normie would just be a neat detail.

I also think Neuro's side could have something osu related somewhere, going back to Neuro's roots as well as the roots of the community itself. Could probably put that on the front as circles to press if possible to pull off.

That's just a few ideas I have. I think the fronts of both designs could definitely have more on them while being subtle.

[umbral owl]

hi yes i was essaying

[gloomy nest]

now ill read it

[safe solstice]

i would be 100% on board with that

[whole vessel]

especially the neuro side looks more like never merch to me

rather than general neuro merch

idk if that's just me

which is fine never merch would be cool but it's not leaning into that enough to be that

tbh a design for each song once they're done would be neat

[craggy quarry]

Concert merch

[whole vessel]

but not timed, as a constant thing you can buy whenever

because who's buying 7 $40 tshirts at once

[safe solstice]

well i think there should be a general merch but like for the song related merch i think that would likely be timed

[craggy quarry]

7? That's like my new shirt quota for the decade

[whole vessel]

the issue with that is that's $280 on tshirts all at once

any bundle discount not withstanding

[safe solstice]

mmmm fair

[whole vessel]

but yeah that's a different idea entirely I guess, stylised tshirts for each original song all done by the same artist so it's coherent

[gloomy nest]

i hope for vinyls

[safe solstice]

yeah tru

[whole vessel]

is there anywhere to put ideas like that?

[safe solstice]

[whole vessel]

could probably all go onto 2, a neuro and an evil themed one

would be neat

[gloomy nest]

nah just one, not enough songs for 2

unless you want 3 songs on each vinyl

[whole vessel]

oh, wait yeah sorry I mean on each side

[gloomy nest]

OHHHH

lmao

that would be cool

[whole vessel]

1 disc but a neuro label on one side and evil label the other side

or wait for a few more originals and do 2 smaller discs that can be themed

[gloomy nest]

but thats off topic so lets leave it there

[gloomy nest]

soon tm

[noble pewter]

Or replace with hairpin. Realistic art of Neuro's heart pin & Evil's broken heart pin.

[sharp nebula]

I do like it a lot but I think itd benefit a lot more by being a hoodie or having a hoodie option

I'd like to buy neuro clothing but I live in a colder place so t-shirts aren't really an option and I feel the design would be going to waste under another layer

[heady oar]

The only thing Neuro has on this t-shirt are those heart-shaped gears, and even those are too hidden in this mess like its so subtle that fans that wasnt on dev stream might not recognize it right away so yes that not neuro-y enough

[sharp nebula]

I do like that they arent going only in the plaster anime over it route but yes it could do with more theming

[keen plank]

Evil‘s is so generic i would not associate it with her

[gusty juniper]

For me, I think the color choice could be more obvious (less obscure). Since Neuro wears beige/cream color outfit, it would make more sense if its beige with purple hearts (like the purple hearts pin on her). While Evil color would be black with deep red (her ribbon color) broken heart design (or even the reverse like deep red with black broken hearts like her hairpin color).

[wispy sonnet]

I think these designs work if neuro and evil wear them on stream occasionally

[median wyvern]

It wouldnt cause the front is literally 2 same heart balloons

Also it would be way better to actually reference stuff about them instead of forcing them to eat a design that doesnt fit

[trim beacon]

honestly the front is the biggest issue

it's literally nothing basically

imo it should have some design on it beyond some random stuff near the top

even just a quote would be fine

[median wyvern]

I can see the quote as: || Your mom ||

[sharp nebula]

I don't know i think having a basic front and detailed back is fine if done correctly and I don't think text on the clothing would be a good idea

But I agree for the most part

[fallen smelt]

id disagree with the OSU thing, thats a different brand and would associate it with different branding. I get the idea but I don't think itd be good in practise

[magic urchin]

thats a lot of ideas

[quaint widget]

I'm sure this has been said to death, but a special draw of this design and designs like it for me is that it doesn't scream "I LOVE ANIME/VTUBERS." The reason I would buy it over any other merch of other creators (ignoring that I just like neuro a lot more) is the subtlety. If we want more overt merch, im sure both other creators and later merch drops will be more overt. In its current state, this is something I would feel comfortable wearing outside.

[gloomy lark]

It can be executed better, though
still be subtle but include more flare

[sly nacelle]

the issue people have here is that its not screaming, talking, not even whispering
Its silent
Abstract

Unless YOU KNEW this is line of neuro merch you would never realise its a neuro related merch
There is no neuro brand in it beyond hearts, and the pattern that neuro wanted

The only thing neuro about this merch is the name and producer, that's it.

The issue of subtle design is to make it related, but not weebey
For example neuro logos and such have a lot of cogs, why not use those?
Way more characteristic than just hearts

[gloomy lark]

I think a simple solution is to include one or two more icon references
earlier we thought maybe added a stitch design to evil's side or one of her other motifs like demon/horns/tail stuff like that
neuro has like round tipped stars, mouse pointer, etc that could be thought about

but the biggest consensus so far is that the heart balloons on the front are almost universally disliked or are neutral about it

[quaint widget]

I think I just have an unpopular opinion i guess. I like that its damn near silent about the fact that its merch. I like the idea of being able to wear merch around and nobody notices or cares. I also think the heart balloons are reallly cute. I get to support my favorite little ai overlords and i get to know that and be happy about it

but idk, cater to the most people in the community. im probably just in the minority

[gloomy lark]

also ngl if they stuck with pink for neuros side it would be cool to also have the like ribbon blue ish color version too i think that would solve the issue for people who don't want to wear pink but this is still one of neuro's colors

[keen plank]

evils is in desperate need of more skulls

[fallen smelt]

i like the idea of it being subtle and to be perfectly honest I like the design as is, but i do agree it could be more neory

like i would just wear that shirt anyway because it look snice

but yeah i do get some peoples point of like it dosent look like merch at all

which atp just buy a regular shirt, i think its probably best to try and strike a middle ground

even a small lil like pink rounded rectangle that says neurosama / evil neuro on it could be nice

dosent need to stand out in a crowd, but needs to be recognised by someone with the right eye close

[umbral owl]

you might as well just buy a generic t-shirt at that point. I watch every stream I can, yet if I saw those shirts floating around the internet and not on stream, i dont think i'd be able to point at them and say "that's neuro merch"

[quaint widget]

To me personally, the draw of merch is that I support the creator and I get a physical item in the real world that has an association to them in my head. To me, its not about telling other people that I like <insert thing>. So my priorities around merch probably differ to most people.

-# I dont want to beat a dead horse and im gonna be done with the sharing my opinion on the internet thing after this message

[craggy quarry]

You'd buy Charlie's white shirt

[gloomy lark]

that's the most off topic reply I've ever seen

[fallen smelt]

thats fair

[copper night]

yeah honestly I've been thinking about it a bit more recently and I realized I actually don't care that much about it having a lot of references or anything. it's more of a personal satisfaction.
if it looks nice, ill buy it. and it does look nice! (well except the front tbh it's a bit too simple for my liking)

-# also if the merch is too obvious then there's a non-zero chance i'll gets recognized by a nn chatter irl and that would be a fate worse than death wouldn't it.

[gloomy nest]

yeah the heart balloons just aint it for me

[gray surge]

I also agree it's a bit too subtle that only Neuro fans AND those who know about this merch can tell it's a Neuro shirt..and the front side is a bit too simple.
My idea about the front side is using the images of ribbon and pin badges on their models, which can be recognised easily and maintained some simplicity

[magic pond]

I don't know what this discussion is, nor do I care for it. But that [not meming] part is really funny. I should put that in all of my discussion posts

[umbral owl]

Bro only saw (not memeing) and mentally blocked out the rest of the title

[glass hollow]

neuros side has the cog wheel so you can tell i it a neuro but evils has no way of indicating that it is evil

[gilded brook]

Nothing screams more Neuro than cogs and balloons

[sharp nebula]

I mean designers were trying to follow neuros instructions mostly the main reason it doesn't fit them is it doesn't really match their colour theming

[worn solstice]

I think the design can be largely the same but get rid of the hearts and replace them with cogs and harpoons respectively. This would make it fit them better and make the shirt more gender neutral.

Though in general I think people were wanting something a little more subtle.

[umbral owl]

Imo this already goes too much into subtle

[trim beacon]

so subtle it's not even merch anymore it's just a shirt

[worn solstice]

It is a hard balance to strike, so that's why I said harpoon and cog. Though a rendition of the inner workings of an llm would be cool.

They could take this a nuero-ize it.

[gloomy nest]

That’s a fish

[worn solstice]

Yeah that does look like a fish, though those circles can actually be in many shapes.

That was just a very simple pretty picture I found, metaphorically those are nuero's brain cells. Though naturally she has more than like twenty.

[slow field]

I would prefer shirts with nothing on the back

Just an image on the breast pocket.

[median wyvern]

damn I cooked?

[safe solstice]

i feel like they read this

[magic pond]

btw thank you for the [not memeing] inspiration. it's really great

[safe solstice]

i just didnt want ppl to come in and make joke suggestions and throw off juniper lol

[magic pond]

oh that makes sense if it was meant for juniper to read.

[safe solstice]

i was hoping that this would be a useful resource for them to find actual feedback in, and I hope they did

[foggy fox]

seems like they did

say what you want about vedal, but he does read the feedback

[glass coral]

I think the shirt sides are so different and not really in a good way? I guess it kinda goes back to a more minimalistic design topic again. evils side of the shirt is so pretty and wearable and id genuinely be happy to wear that outside, neuros side of the shirt isn't really a design per say? (it quite literally fits the meme of "slap a big anime girl on the shirt") I think the art on the back of the shirt is custom which is cute but its just so different im not sure they go well together.

I think it would have also been really nice to have sold the plushies shirts separately from the plush?. there was never an evil plush release so I sadly still don't even have her OG outfit, it would have been nice if I could get that and then a shirt for her to wear too!

[safe solstice]

for better or for worse, indeed he does

[median wyvern]

I feel like its perfect

[wanton quarry]

I personally love the new design

I will be putting my money on all this shit

[median wyvern]

want a bold design -> Neuro side
want a discreet design -> Evil side

[wanton quarry]

Bless Vedal once for actually listening

[umbral owl]

i agree with the latter point, i wouldve loved to have the og outfits for the plushes. but i thnk the shirts are great. You get both the usual stuff and the subtle stuff all in one shirt. it's the best of both worlds imo

[serene hollow]

actually will buy the new design

[glass coral]

yeah but that just means 1 half of the shirt is way more wearable than the other and I enjoy the twins equally, so id prefer to be able to wear their designs equally

[median wyvern]

wear the discreet outside and the bold inside

this is just the better option

this way both people will buy the shirt

those that want bold and those that want discreet

[glass coral]

that sucks so bad tho id want to be able to wear both sides outside

if evils shirt side was similar to neuros in a sense of big anime girl on the shirt atleast then it would be more even. idk i know the idea was to get across their personalities on the shirt sides, but I dont think neuros could have been only shown this way? atleast with the evil side.

I think both the sides look really good, but together perhaps it would be better with some closer design?

[safe solstice]

[NOT MEMEING] New Merch Feedback

[sturdy sorrel]

With the new plush. would this work (evil having neuro's side of the shirt as another variant)
Since it's a reversable shirt. this makes a ton of sense.

Notsure how viable it would be to make another 2 plush varations for something this small, but i do think people would actually buy it and it does not seem a lot of extra work other than sewing on the other shirt?

Pretty sure i am not the only one who is thinking this aswell so i kinda want to pry open the idea and discuss it.

[glass coral]

i like that idea ngl, i think honestly selling the base plushies and tiny reversible shirts would work just fine for this idea. you can put which side you want on them

(could also do the twins alt outfits if they wanted by using this idea)

[heady oar]

I know I’ll buy plushies anyway so I just complain for nothing but like am I only one who thinks old ones were much better looking especially neck and on a new one that smug ain’t smug enough? Ig? And this idea with t shirt is cool but a little too corpa for me I know a lot of people have og one already but surely there is new people or someone who missed old ones (I hate myself so much for missing itttttt )

[glass coral]

i dont have the evil plush still i assume its never getting released now since theres new ones

[dapper turret]

Now I'm hoping that Evil and Neuro get the tshirts as alternative outfits along with other tshirts... (And also be able to wear each others', that would be cool)

I think the idea of essentially re-releasing the Makeship plushes as Juniper plushes but with the shirts is pretty cool... I'm not sure if I'd buy them since I already have Evil + Neuro 2.0 + Vedal, but for anyone else who doesn't have them yet this would be a good opportunity to get them.

[glass coral]

I kinda wish it was like build a bear where the outfits on them were interchangeable.

release of the alternative outfits. witch. circus. shirts. separate to the plush so I could do a little dress up with my original plushies

id love that a lot. its less plushies lying around (good for people who dont have a lot of room) and also a bit cheaper so a wider audience can afford things. for a plush its going to be £30 + shipping and protection and taxes. for just an outfit it would be around half of that, if not less

id say £12 + shipping and taxes for just the mini shirts would be nice. then I can get my neuro plushie in evils shirt and evil plush in neuros shirt

(if I had an evil plush )

[lime cloud]

In my opinion the evil side is fine, looks clean, but the neuro side with her eyes on the front, is it little too flashy(? Like walking on the street, there is an eyes on your chest. I am not hating that, but I feel kinda little embarrassing when wearing.

[safe solstice]

i feel like the neuro side is a more at home/ppl who know side and the evil is a more you can wear it outside thing

[trim beacon]

yeah well they clearly dropped the subtle idea at least for the neuro side

[safe solstice]

tbf there was a ton of ppl who did NOT want the subtle so i get why

[lime cloud]

yeah that’s what I will do when I get it

[trim beacon]

I guess it's a compromise, the neuro side is no longer subtle, but to keep the abstract subtlety idea from the initial concept they made evil's more absract

like if you see the evil side and know who she is you'd get it

[lime cloud]

Wait so will they rerelease Neuro and evil plush? Or like just a addition shirt for them

[trim beacon]

here

sorry about neuro being the way blame vedal

[sharp lichen]

What's up with Evil's chin in the new plushie? It's so bizarre, the chin/neck are so huge, or maybe her eyes and mouth are just too high up. How did no one notice this before it was approved? New Neuro doesn't have this

[lime cloud]

I see, they are different

[sharp lichen]

Yeah, it's not Makeship sadly, I'm still hoping there will be an official Evil 2.0 but it looks like the odds might be pretty slim now

[sharp nebula]

where is evils chiselled jawline

[trim beacon]

this is official though?

[sharp lichen]

I meant an official Makeship one

[trim beacon]

well that ship has sailed

[lime cloud]

they made her head too big

I mean wide or idk

[sharp lichen]

Neuro got an official 2.0 campaign, which is what I meant here. Because quite frankly the Evil from Temu looks more like the original than this one

[trim beacon]

I see it now that you mention it

[lime cloud]

hope they will fix evils chin, or that’ll so weird

[glass coral]

its sad tbf. if I knew it would be a 1 release only plush I would have sold something or borrowed money to get it tbf

I dont think these new plushies look as good quality, so id rather just get outfits for the OG ones instead

[lime cloud]

I dont have og plush, so I can only hope they can make them look better

[glass coral]

I think the best think from the merch drop atleast imo is the keychains ive been saying for years they double sided ones are cool so its really awesome to see

[trim beacon]

I like the shirt now but yeah excited for the keychains

[glass coral]

but if they did a rerelease on them and then sold little outfits separately it would be so peak

[trim beacon]

I have the plushies already so I won't buy them again

[flint prism]

Many reasons to not do that. I don't see that happening I think

[glass coral]

I'm just kinda bummed out only 1 side of the shirt is wearable really. the neuro side is just a bit too much

[trim beacon]

that's a you problem dog

like genuniely if you think that's too much you would be HORRIFIED by my wardrobe

[glass coral]

I mean evil side of the shirt could be worn in a lot of situations. a lot of jobs wouldn't really alow the neuro side of the shirt is what I mean

[trim beacon]

who is wearing anime shirts at work

every job I've ever had has mandated branded clothing

[glass coral]

exactly my point man but people are working more than they are not working

[trim beacon]

I don't see how this is a problem because you wouldn't be able to wear the evil side either, at least in my job experience

[glass coral]

evils side of the shirt is less idk it feels more versatile. id like to show off the twins equally

[trim beacon]

they would tell me to put on a work shirt that has the company name on it

[glass coral]

you 100% could wear the evil side in more situations than the neuro side

[trim beacon]

again I think this is a you problem

[glass coral]

then what i said doesn't apply to you

you have a uniform

a lot of jobs have a general dress code

giant anime eyes on the front of a shirt is probably not in the dress code 😭

[trim beacon]

I guess but wouldn't you rather wear something more professional regardles

like a polo or collared shirt

[glass coral]

why would I have 2 separate wardrobes when I can have interchangeable clothes

ive never owned a polo shirt other than when a job makes me

[trim beacon]

man maybe I'm weird because this is how I dress

for professional situations I wear polos/collared shirts

anything else I wear anime tees

[glass coral]

well I mostly wear tshirts. girls dont really wear polo's

[trim beacon]

I literally went to the mall yesterday wearing a fuwamoco shirt that was them in full view

[glass coral]

youre braver than me id just get called stuff by people if I did that 💀

[trim beacon]

nobody has ever said anything to me

and I've been doing it for years

[glass coral]

then you probably live in a nicer place i guess. ive had comments for wearing way less in your face stuff than the neuro shirt tbf

[trim beacon]

there was like one time in vegas where was a street heckler that was taking jabs at random passerby that called me out but that's all that's ever happened

[glass coral]

oh usa

ok that explains things

[trim beacon]

I guess your nation is more rude?

[glass coral]

usa is generally less caring about this stuff

[glass coral]

vedal himself probably wouldn't be able to wear the neuro side of the shirt in some places of the uk lol

I live in one of the worst parts of the uk

[trim beacon]

interesting... maybe if I ever go to the uk I'll wear my hololive shirts to see what ppl say...

[glass coral]

they will probably call you things on my way to the airport with my neuro plush i had comments so

[trim beacon]

I'll just retract with the unbeatable, at least I'm not a uk resident

[glass coral]

even worse American. we are the worst of the english speakers

[trim beacon]

anyway we've derailed this thread so let's stop I understand why you have an issue now

[glass coral]

yeah mb either way I really like the design of the neuro and evil side of the shirt, I just wish there was more uniform to them? if the evil side was more like neuros or the neuro side was more like evils. it could honestly be 2 different shirts with a more or less out there theme

evils is so minimalistic and very nice, neuros is very out there and very neuro. it's just so different to be on an interchanable shirt. if there were 2 shirts and these 2 designs were the basis for what the whole shirt was about (minimal and outgoing) would be so super cute

id just feel bad only being able to wear the neuro side at home or with family when I like neuro just as much as evil

would feel kinda wrong for me lol

[sharp nebula]

I agree with the two different shirts

I personally cannot wear things like neuros side on my day to day so I appreciate evils minimalist design but I understand some people would want an out there design for evil aswell so I think two shirts would work perfectly

[trim beacon]

there'll definitely be more shirts in the future since this will do well

[sharp nebula]

you know what make 4 shirts with every possible combination

[lime cloud]

at least better than the one released on Black Friday tbf

[narrow osprey]

her hair color is also wrong

it should be darker than neuro's, no?

[glass coral]

he is aware of this and will look into it. he said on the stream today

[glass coral]

yeah for sure. I think the 2 sides of the shirt on their own are really nice, it would just be nice to have the designs more similar. either both sides be out there, or both sides more minimal I do like the neuro design but as it stands I can only wear at home

[oblique narwhal]

While I think a re-release of the plushes is great, I am kind of disappointed we aren't getting a re-release of them in their original gear; for those of us who never got them the first time, our only (non-secondhand) option now is to get them in this shirt they've never worn on-stream before, and that it's unlikely they will. Kind of makes them look unofficial.

[oblique narwhal]

And the fact we got an Evil casual t-shirt plush before an official plush is crazy.

[vestal spindle]

But there was an official evil neuro plush...

[oblique narwhal]

I mean the new version of Evil.

[glass coral]

yes but its her old features and it was only a single release. makeship plush doesnt include her newer eye shape or darker hair (also didnt have a resolve for the issue where her skirt kept flipping up) so it wasnt really the evil we have now (a perfect excuse for a 2.0 release was to match her model changes tbf)

[sharp lichen]

iirc the Makeship 2.0 thing was a whole campaign they did around Christmas to re-release a bunch of old plushies. I'm guessing you'd need for Makeship to do another one of those, and for it to align with Vedal also wanting to re-release it. I'm a bit worried that if it happens this Christmas, or any time soon, we won't get an Evil 2.0 because it interferes with the non-Makeship plushie launch

[glass coral]

im really really really hoping youre not right because im only missing evils plush but you're probably right

I dont want to spent 100 bucks on worse quality plushies just so I have evil. and I don't want to pay a scalper 200 for one either

[gloomy nest]

shouldve been there for evil