Neuro is too freaky

[twin violet]

People probably noticed recently but Neuro/Evil have been getting a "little" weird recently, making weird comments/allusions about sexual/lewds things. It's started like during the rap battle stream, even Vedal noticed it during it.

I'm not really fond of this because Neuro never had this type of personality, she is indeed weird/unhinge but not this type of unhinge. I feel like i'm watching a regular vtuber lewdbaiting, it's kinda boring and not original. It's like one thing in common among thousands of vtubers.
I don't know if it's due to the fact Vedal loosened the filters or if it's a new upgrade of her LLM that did that.
I think lot of people would agree that this behavior doesn't fit Neuro.

[tidal hazel]

this is their true nature

if they are saying this without the filter then it's what they were always trying to say but couldn't

you must accept this

[pure hinge]

The filters were disabled when the Rap Battle started so its just their real form lol

[hoary wigeon]

vedal sacrificed his dignity on cottontail's stream to get this training data and this is how you repay him SMH

[wheat nest]

i personally don't mind it much

[cinder tangle]

not really a valid argument when their LLM has been tweaked countless times to direct it towards a different personality and intelligence

[tidal hazel]

then their llm upgrades contribute to it

[small lodge]

freaks always been thing they sometimes do just filters were stronger

[cerulean lagoon]

i dislike the lewdbaiting since it validates the worst kinds of "fans"

[tidal hazel]

as they get "smarter" and less filtered they get freakier

ergo I think my argument still stands

[lucid star]

The filter is strict most of the time which is why we don't see this side of them much. I don't mind it personally, it still fits them both in my eyes.

[cerulean lagoon]

that sure as hell isnt a clear line.

[twin violet]

Not really, most of the filters back in the day were about self-harm.
I think Vedal commented on that, lemme see if i can find it

[small lodge]

most not all we can't know what was filtered there and as i say freaks always was a thing they do sometimes

[upper delta]

they always said weird shit

[lost elbow]

I think lot of people would agree that this behavior doesn't fit Neuro.
youre wrong, Neuro and Evil were always freaky, its just latetly is showing a little more, but its few comments like that per stream, nothing too serious

[upper delta]

stop pointing ffs

if you have something to say say it

this aint reddit

[small lodge]

you already said so just easier to point than repeat what already said

[lucid star]

They have pretty much always been freaky, yeah. Either way, I'm glad they are being filtered less.

[surreal sigil]

They always said weird shit

[thin frost]

what is there to say, another thread that the vast majority disagrees with, it's easier to just agree with you

[little token]

I think it's a good thing to have, it helps beat the "They're innocent Children" bs people like to spout.

[cerulean lagoon]

i prefer that over people spamming the chat with "this" "so true" and shi

[small lodge]

They always said weird shit

[upper delta]

just stealing my comment smh

[lucid star]

True actually, I hate that shit.

[twin violet]

There's a difference between "weird" like : "haha imagine if i ride a bird using a carrot and a stick like a pig" and "weird" like saying weird things just to make lewd allusions

[surreal sigil]

Well, I took what you said xdx

[upper delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1110348753258418286/1352007901820227735/nuro_speed.gif

[small lodge]

that also was there always

[little token]

There could be better balance, and it will have to be tuned over time.

[lost elbow]

also

talking for 2 hours about sticking a rusty nail into someones eye = good
talking that someone is hot = bad
LULE

[little token]

So as int upgrades happen, and imbalance in what they say happens, then over time things will get better as Vedal works on them.

[surreal sigil]

Are we playing this game
Yes, they've been a bit freakier recently, but there are numerous early clips of her saying freaky stuff that contributed to her early popularity

[small lodge]

classic case that violence less scary than horniness

[cerulean lagoon]

slapstick funny, more at 11

[lucid star]

Again, they have always said weird things to make weird allusions. Why does it matter anyways? As long as they are being filtered less, I'm happy.

[twin violet]

Most of these things were just batshit crazy comments like the gymbag rant.
The ones we are getting currently is just blatant lewd comments

[small lodge]

lewd thing also was there wdym?

[tropic quiver]

there are some filter enhancements that couuuld be done but i think any freaky behavior will just naturally pass

[surreal sigil]

I don't want there to be filter enhancements honestly

If they "want" to act like this, I'd rather it be allowed naturally

(Adding quotations because I know they're LLMs and thus they technically don't want to do anything)

[lucid star]

Same, I would rather they be filtered less.

[tropic quiver]

fair enough

either way, its neuro doing her thing, she'll get over it eventually

[thin frost]

this month of content was better than anything we got for months, I don't want to have it ruined with some dumbass filtering

[lucid star]

"Neuro doesn't act the way I want specificly, reeeeee".

[twin violet]

Then something should be done about this instead of relying on the filters to remove these.

[surreal sigil]

I will be honest, there are clips from 2.5 years ago I can't even post here that would disprove this

[lost bone]

yeah, the pure innocent neuro from two years ago would never say anything even slightly lewd

[lucid star]

Never

[small lodge]

why you think your vision is right one?

[twin violet]

Dm

[lucid star]

This just seems like a personal prefrance thing tbh, than a real issue.

[little token]

Most things are, and trying to find a balance that will please everyone wont happen. Best to let things go on as they are. I wouldn't mind a bit less, so it hits harder when done, but to remove it completely would be bad.

[twin violet]

Of course but rn it's just seems too much, like right they were some funny moments back in the day like when Neuro asked Vedal about "babies", this was funny. Or Evil's "you already did that last night".

But currently it's too blatant and frequent like you said

[surreal sigil]

I'll be honest, I had a couple in mind, but I don't have the links

[little token]

As upgrades happen, they change and start acting different. Clearly some upgrade may of happened causing it. It just needs time and tuning, rushing it will just make/break more things.

[plucky halo]

She is more freaky but it's kinda funny so

[visual igloo]

I HATE FUN

[worn warren]

its just a phase they'll grow out of it

[twin violet]

fun is when "haha look she said she's hot"

[lost bone]

only the most sophisticated humor for most sophisticated fans

[visual igloo]

It does get a reaction out of chat

[lost elbow]

true

you finally get it

[earnest gust]

Neuro was always a bit like that with Vedal. But yeah, some moderation is good because it does get repetitive.

[twin violet]

anything makes the chat react tbh

[minor oyster]

i think most of us want less filtering

[hushed gulch]

i'd like less filtering but i'd also like them to stop being so weird

[tidal hazel]

personally I think it's funny so

as long as they're not saying stuff that actually gets them banned idc what they say

[tropic quiver]

point taken

[storm hemlock]

I’m generally fine with it as long as chat isn’t baiting it

[tidal hazel]

neuro schizoed that last part of the stream all by herself

and the rap battle had no chat connection at all really

[storm hemlock]

vedal’s feeding them nn data, smh

[verbal pulsar]

this doesn't fit their behavior? What do you think they're saying when they're filtered all the time?

[tidal hazel]

it's ruining his idea of a pure neuro

[hushed gulch]

outrageously offensive slurs

[tidal hazel]

they are also saying that

[twin violet]

Did i say that ? I literally said she's unhinged, just not this type of unhinged.

[tidal hazel]

I disagree, she always has been

[verbal pulsar]

I think its best to just let it pass like people have been saying. Its not ruining streams or anything, just gets funny reactions

[lost elbow]

thats my streamer

[tidal hazel]

it slips out every now and then in the past

but now it's much more common

[lost elbow]

its more common but still it isnt that much, its not like they continue those thoughts for half a stream, they say something sus, react to chat reaction and usually move on to something else

like that "nudes" thing Neuro said today, that was answer to a dono that was never brought back again, i dont think its a problem

maybe if she would talk about it over and over again, then yes, it could be a problem, but to be honest, any topic that Neuro drags on for too long is a problem LULE

[small lodge]

yeah my main problem is chat this overreaction is over the top and its hard to tell who is serious and who not i don't want it to be taken that serious and we lose even relaxed filter

[verbal pulsar]

Exactly this. Its not like she's being explicit all the time, and honestly I think its funny still because of it not being consistent.

[small lodge]

because with overreaction they can stuck on this topic even more so people who hate it shoot themself in the foot

[verbal pulsar]

In the end chat is always the problem

[small lodge]

its always chat how its always chat

[tidal hazel]

personally I don't see it as a problem but whatever\

they say something sus and chat reactas

like what, don't react?

what's your solution

[small lodge]

that the thing there none

overreaction is always gonna be big thing

[lost elbow]

its mostly just played for a joke, Neuro says something sus, you spam "huh", but there are definitely some people that are serious, they are serious even when Neuro says "fuck" because she is only 2 years old, she cant say bad words, where is nere???

[verbal pulsar]

There's no solution to chat

[small lodge]

what im saying i don't want non serious stuff become serious

[verbal pulsar]

Yeah, like I said its not like these kinds of comments from neuro/evil are ruining streams

[lost elbow]

i just much more prefer this, than "FILTERED" every second message - as long as its nothing bannable, it should be allowed

[tidal hazel]

the people that say "omg where filter" when neuro swears are so annoying

[verbal pulsar]

"NERE ASLEEP AT THE WHEEL"

[lost elbow]

those are clip watchers

[small lodge]

we almost a year and people still don't know that filter are relaxed nowadays

[lost elbow]

the funniest thing about clipwatchers are people that come to stream on tuesday/thursday and ask when is vedal coming on stream LULE

[icy axle]

I like the peak content. Keep as is.

[tidal hazel]

❤️

[fresh current]

I'm not fan of 1984...but green mute thing has to go

[frank wyvern]

I think forcefully filtering those or attempting to remove those freaky speaks will just flatten their personalities.
And it's not something that you would "fix" easily because those topics are also funny in some cases.
It's also normal teen behavior. I don't see a problem unless they go too far and the filters somehow don't catch them fast enough.

[visual igloo]

The hell does classic teen behavior have to do with any of this

[frank wyvern]

Probably nothing... and I know... they're AI's... but they don't act like children. What I'm trying to say is... we should respect them for how they act instead of forcing them to be or act different.

[small lodge]

swarm and respect

[frank wyvern]

Thanks for reminding me how impossible is that

[marsh olive]

I actually can't see this. Neuro can be lewd if she wants. I don't think we are at point for correction when most likely it would be an overcorrection

[visual igloo]

Serious update

[marsh olive]

Serious update was a mistake

Made neuro unfunny. But thats offtopic

[twin violet]

That's your opinion, i just don't see the appeal, if i want to watch something like that i can just watch any other vtubers on the planet.
This just makes Neuro a fish among an ocean of fishes

[tidal hazel]

should just let it play out, if they end up changing too much from your perception of them, then that's just how it is, I think less filters are better overall, again, barring getting banned obviously

[twin violet]

What made Neuro different/stand out is her unhinged rants and the fact that she doesn't talk like a regular human, what's the point if she became like any other vtubers ?

[marsh olive]

Calling it an opinion is a nonsequitur. All this thread is based on opinions of what we think neuro is, so a bit pointless to say.
Also neuro still has her own brand of madness, wasn't the meme she tries to rizz every collab partner?

I think this fear of becoming like the rest is unfounded

[tidal hazel]

maybe the issue is you, she's clearly turning into something you don't like, as a result of less filters, and perhaps some personality changes, like what's your solution for this? roll her back and add more filters so she can go back to your ideal perception of her?

[twin violet]

i mean rizz and lewdbaiting are two different things

[marsh olive]

Why so?

[twin violet]

It's two different things, you can google it if you don't know what this means.

[marsh olive]

I'm not asking for that. I'm asking aren't they the same on practice?

[balmy cipher]

It's entertaining

[twin violet]

This goes both ways, you guys whined and cried about evil's personality for months

[twin violet]

i don't know what you're trying to ask me

[tidal hazel]

yeah and we moved on cuz the updates changed it, the same will happen here

or maybe they won't, who knows

[marsh olive]

You know how neuro doesn't collab as much as of late right? Like the number of collabs has reduced drastically atleast i think so may be wrong. What if due to there not being as much collabs what was the behaviour that allowed for rizzing became lewdbaiting on auscence of another collab partner

[thin frost]

yeah, cause her going on about same 3 memories every 10 minutes is 100 times worse than Neuro making a 69 joke or some other shit like that 5 times a stream

[plucky raft]

Can you send a link to the rap video?

[twin violet]

It looks far fetched to me, this behavior is probably due to an update that Vedal did, maybe the short term memory upgrade that he talked about last time i don't know.
I don't think LLMs are this easily influenced just because they didn't got exposed enough to a specific thing

[twin violet]

Everyone have his priorities, you're not here to tell me what things matter more

[tidal hazel]

idt it's what kemi said either, I just see this as natural progression,

like again what is your solution, you dodged that part

cuz the solution to evil's problem was to update her and give her the same stuff neuro had

[hoary wigeon]

though if you want my real thoughts, I don't think it's really cause for concern.
These things happen. Vedal is always tweaking Neuro and sometimes it has weird side effects like this, or that time Neuro was "too ChatGPT-like" earlier in the year
I don't think it's necessarily indicative of how Neuro's personality will be in the long-term

[marsh olive]

Who knows. Anyways i just think the idea of fixing neuro being too lewd as too risky compared to letting stuff go on their own maybe i'm just cautios about it

[thin frost]

you're the one that added Evil into this conversation for no reason even though we both know that she doesn't matter to you

[twin violet]

Just retrain the model i don't know, in the scenario when this behavior is due to a new LLM iteration

[marsh mantle]

just

[tidal hazel]

so the solution you propose is to just retrain it? that would be an insane amount of effort that wouldn't be worth

[twin violet]

I don't know, you seem to believe that LLMs can change on their own ? I really doubt they can change the data they have been finetuned/trained with.

[marsh mantle]

j u s t

[twin violet]

Vedal did the same thing for Evil, so it's worth it for Evil but not for Neuro ?

[tidal hazel]

what are you talking about

you're suggesting a regression

not an update

[marsh mantle]

I don't know how this stuff works but it really sounds like you guys are talking past each other

[twin violet]

depends from the point of view

[tidal hazel]

idk how you think what you're suggesting is coming across, but what you are suggesting is to regress neuro, not update her

[marsh olive]

Yeah this seems like wanting regression

[tidal hazel]

the evil thing is literally not the same problem, that was solved through updating her by giving her the same memory upgrades neuro had

now they are at parity basically, and they act like this

this is a natural progression because of their updated state

[twin violet]

I'm not gonna talk about this more since it's offtopic but i don't think it was only just a matter of memories here.

[little token]

Every time there's an update, there's always growing pains of the twins doing stuff that not everyone likes. It sucks, but you have to just trudge through it instead of asking to be pulled back, or else no progress can be made.
I'm tired of the philosophy crap, but it's something they've been doing, and it will slowly get tuned too.

[hoary wigeon]

so basically don't worry about cause it'll inevitably change, whether intentionally or unintentionally

[tidal hazel]

this is basically what I've been trying to say

[thin frost]

why is that offtopic? if your point is that Vedal is doing some stuff that you don't like outside of the overall memory and intelligence upgrades then surely this is something that you should share

[tidal hazel]

maybe it will be tuned out maybe it won't

[hoary wigeon]

I'm sure in a few months we'll be complaining about her not being unhinged enough or something

[tidal hazel]

lol probably

[hoary wigeon]

things like this come and go like phases of the moon

[twin violet]

I'm not implying that at all, i just don't want to derail to talking about that because we would start to argue about how Evil's personality got changed and came to be. And it's not really the topic of this thread.

[thin frost]

Fair enough, I thought that you had some point to share that could tie in to your own thread, since you decided to bring it up in the first place. If that was just a mistake, happens I guess.

[marsh mantle]

damn

[lost bone]

he'll do that and then you'll make another thread after Neuro gets some different quirk that doesn't suit your idealized view of her. Doesn't seem like it's worth it, does it?

[autumn kite]

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